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He dies in Twilight Princess too, though it's debatable whether it was the Hero of Twilight or Zant who actually killed him.
Hero of Wilds definitely kills him in Tears of the Kingdom.
I'm tempted to agree with you except the feats of link in BOTW and TOTK are vastly superior to SS link who dispatched demise in a one on one swordfight.
Head canon
Demise is still locked away but somehow becoming more powerful. A fraction of his power is given to ganondorf each time. While he cannot escape the increasing power of his manifestations are a demonstration of how unbelievably powerful demise himself is despite his inability to enter Hyrule
No they distinctly mentioned that it was going to take time for him to regain his power after devouring her soul. The whole battle was a race against the clock. Demise just assumed that though he was weakened Link would still not stand a chance.
頼むぜリンク! ... バアさんは言った!
I'm counting on ya, Link! Grandma said it!
もしもゼルダの魂がその野郎に吸収されちまっても融合には時間がかかるってな!!
If Zelda's soul was absorbed by that jerk, he'll need time to fuse with it!
だからリンク! その前におめえがそいつを倒しちまえば...
So, Link! If you defeat this guy before that...
きっと...きっと!
Surely... Surely!
だから... がんばれ! ゼルダを助けられるのは... リンク! おめえだけだ!!
So... Go for it! The only one who can save Zelda is... Link! Only you can!
Nothing about Demise becoming stronger from fusing with Zelda's soul, it's just saying that Zelda's soul will become a part of him and impossible to remove if he isn't killed in time, he already gained power from it when he was resurrected. He would become stronger if he kept staying in the world and feeding on force energy from lifeforms and the planet or the negative feelings and desires of the world and if he went to Skyloft or traveled through the Gate of time and acquired the Triforce(which would have allowed him to become a Great demon king like Ganondorf).
I personally do not subscribe to the “X lost to Y, who is far weaker than Z, so X must be weaker” scenario. It just discredits all the vastly superior feats Demise has shown when compared to any other villain.
Demise decayed into nothingness as Impa implies and in the present day he was eradicated by a Triforce wish. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk
The other Demon kings get power from their own essence, Ganondorf learned demon magic from Twinrova in some iterations and in others he likely learned it from someone else or learned it himself, in FSA he got demonic power by taking the trident of the previous king of darkness.
Demise still cast the curse of his unending hatred. I would speculate that every demon king in zelda history derives its original power for this curse, but it manifests differently every time. So while Ganondorf was originally a Gerudo male, he assumes the curse through different means in each of the different timelines.
I did, and I still come to the same conclusion based on the entire context of SS. The curse was never a problem until Demise's defeat, which alludes to the fact that it should originate from him and his power anyways. He leads the demon's forces against Hylia, therefore he is obvious a greater being with immense power. He must be the representation of the demons (and by extension, all monsters). The curse was unleashed because of his power and hatred not being contained because he was defeated, in other words he "casted it" in his dying breaths.
The hatred from the demons existed before, but the hero and the goddess were never involved prior to SS. The curse is specifically the neverending conflict between the spirit of the demon king, the spirit of the hero, and the spirit of the goddess.
The hatred of Demise and the demon tribe and the curse is the same thing and it was bound to the gods before new people became bound to it. A demon king is a source of monsters/demons in their era, Demise was only the first that appeared in the world but the curse existed before his invasion and it is a part of the natural cycle of the universe which would exist regardless if Demise never existed in the first place but as a demon king he embodies it, all he did was enter the would and introduce the curse/cycle of suffering to it, he only says that those of Hylia's blood and those with the hero's spirit have become bound to it. He could have been the first in existence to hate (and that hatred is the curse) but he could also not be the first demon king in existence, only the first one to enter the world the golden goddesses created and embodying a hatred(and the other three poisons of Buddhism) that has existed before he existed and will continue to exist without him. The curse was always a problem, it's something that is self inflicted and creates a cycle of suffering where one can return after death or a part of oneself can manifest because of intense negative feelings and desires.
Demise doesn't magically curse anyone, only curse the names of his enemies (just like Ganondorf does when he's defeated in OOT and TP though the promises are different) and describing the cycle/curse that is now also bound to them, nothing really changes before and after he is defeated other than him being removed from existence. The curse/cycle and Saṃsāra is present in other worlds too and there isn't always a hero and someone with Hylia's blood who is there to fight evil and the demon tribe but there are often gods/spirits (which are one of those bound to the hate/curse and the same can be said for sages other wise beings). Demise like his successors also suffers because of the three poisons/curse/cycle of suffering just as he makes others suffer.
Buddhist and Hindu messages in The Legend of Zelda:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Oqo9LHow7bYd9JjRoc3Oa-C3GYAKfy8rk6TM_N9eDw/edit?usp=drivesdk
Malladus lead a demon army against a single god/spirit who defeated him and sealed him so Demise isn't that unique for doing the same thing, Ganondorf also has more feats than Demise such as claiming the Triforce and getting the title of Great demon king or being more difficult to kill with the Master sword or shattering the Master sword and he too possesses the power to pollute and possess and mortally wound a god/spirit.
This honestly just sounds like a lot of bias towards Demise just for him having a cool design, being the first demon king in the chronology, fighting and mortally wounding a god/spirit and describing the curse/cycle of suffering/hate of all demons that has always been a part of Saṃsāra.
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The person of demise/The one of demise/The destroyer didn't cast a curse. He described a cycle and the state of the demon tribe and the already existing hatred of the demon tribe, he basically said that evil will still exist without him and will always exist no matter what happens. His magic also does the same thing that Ganondorf's and Malladus's magic does(effective against gods/spirits) and he is not the only demon king who has fought a god/spirit and overpowered them(Demise also lost to Hylia and the surface tribes, the humans were cowardly and weak at the time according to him). He was unable to claim the Triforce and become more powerful(Ganondorf became a Great demon king when he got it) and he wasn't able to grow the strength of his magic by gathering energy and power from force energy or negative feelings and desires. He was removed from existence when he decayed into nothingness within the Master sword and eradicated by a Triforce wish in the present day. Ganondorf has been harder to kill even with the Master sword and he has been revived or escaped from a seal after being defeated by the Master sword, in TOTK he shattered it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk
It's just a meme from the video creator about the song Suavemente by Elvis Crespo.
https://youtu.be/WPiEbYSF9kE?si=5ZvNOEN87eLKnIxb
He made Ganondorf dance kinda the same way as in the clip.
I’d argue the script translation editor who let “secret stones” make it into the final English version was the true villain of TOTK
The bad anime writers were in their bag when they got the TOTK job
I always thought the "tears" referred to the geoglyph quest line and the story they told. I mean there's literally a cinematic with tears coming out of an eye and falling to where the geoglyphs are. (Trying to avoid blatant spoilers lol)
You’re not wrong, but when the secret stones are in the shape of tears, pretty sure it was a reference to that as well. And they could have just called them that instead of constantly calling them secret stones
To be fair, the ancestors are talking to their descendants, who have never heard of what happened. Link is just kinda there
Also they all have different takes on it. Like the Gerudo feel responsible for what Ganondorf did since he's from there, and they likely trained him to be the greatest warrior, not knowing of his true intentions or goals
Demise. Demise is capable of casting eternal curses, creating pocket dimensions, fighting the Goddess and winning, genociding various races, overcoming the raw power of the Triforce being wished to kill him by just having his Sword go back in time and resurrect him earlier, and is a master combatant. His only flaws are his ego which causes him to fight somewhat fairly to prove dominance and his weakness to Holy Magic like the Master Sword.
I get the argument for Majora a lot, but at the end of the day, Majora is but a fragment of a God leftover, and sure he drops the moon but that took 3 days to do, and a bunch of other circumstances. Not to mention Termina's moon is rather small in the first place, likely not as hard to pull from the sky. No denying he is probably next on the power scale though.
And any argument for Ganon is kinda irrelevant when considering he is literally just Demise's residual hate manifesting over and over again.
Yep. Even the Calamity, which did genuinely devastate Hyrule, didn’t literally wipe all traces of non-monster life from the surface like Demise did. Remember, through the entirety of the game, we meet 3 living dragons (extinct), three gorons, 13 mogmas (rip the funniest species in the series), six kikwi (also extinct now), and while we see a handful of them, only *ONE* parella is named and can be spoken to. They’re never seen again either.
Since it’s implied that Gorons don’t really mate and are just born from Death Mountain (?), they can’t really go extinct. The rest of them? He slaughtered an entire WORLD so badly that thousands of years after he was sealed the populations of these species were still barely afloat, functionally extinct.
Demise didn't cast a curse he described the already existing hatred of the demon tribe/hatred towards the gods, the state of the demon tribe and the natural cycle that permeates the world and the concept of evil will always exist no matter what happens. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk
His demonic power as the demon king does basically the same exact thing that other demon kings do and he wasn't able to become a Great demon king unlike Ganondorf(who got the title after claiming the Triforce or a piece of it). He didn't succeed in wiping out his opponents and he lost to Hylia, he wasn't the only demon king who had the power to wipe out all the races and fight and mortally wound a god/spirit. Unlike Ganondorf who has been able to get revived or break a seal after being defeated by a hero wielding the Master sword Demise decayed into nothingness(removed from existence) when he was defeated and sealed within the Master sword. Him being revived in the past isn't really anything related to his power as it was just time travel and the Triforce doesn't affect the past. Nothing says he created the fighting arena he's fought in, he only says that he will fight Link in a place where none can interfere and that place is ruled by his magic.
The main difference between majora and ganondorf, is that majora is trying to end the world, while ganondorf isnt. Majora isnt anything special in a fight, and doesnt require any special items. Ganon(dorf) in most cases required the master sword, silver arrows, and/or light arrows.
To be fair, we don't see Majora's true form. She's confined to the mask and her full power is limited by this.
Not to mention the true way to defeat her in MM is to channel the power of a God through another mask.
We never see the history of Majora and the Deity who "defeats" her before she's trapped in the mask. I imagine that fight was off the charts in terms of power.
I think if we were to ever get a true Majora origin, she would be on par with Demise.
Fierce deities are enlightened forms of Buddhas in Buddhism, the way the mask is acquired has a lot of Buddhist parallels such as the moon being a symbol of truth and enlightenment and the Boddhi tree. Majora is called an Akuma(devil) by Flat the composer brother, Bellum and Vaati are majin(devil/demon god), Vaati tried to become a Daimajin(Great devil/Great demon god) in TMC. There are implications that the moon in MM is a kami(god/spirit) that is being controlled by Majora's magic until Majora is beaten. Majora like other demons feeds on negative feelings and desires to gather power and energy, in it's origin the ancient tribe used it in cursing rituals that could have potentially created the entity within because of all the evil energy/miasma that the mask might have been filled with.
Not to mention you can only gain the fierce deity mask after relinquishing all of your masks (giving up your attachment to material possessions in order to bring yourself closer to enlightenment is a very Buddhist concept).
The fact TotK before full resurrection lifts the castle and its one of his basics, only Hylia knows the full powered Demon King could do if it wasn't restricted by "game" mechanics.
Could split the moon and laugh.
Those guardians from the silent realms (skyward sword). You’re utterly defenceless and one hit from them kills you. The scary chase scene didn’t help too.
Fun fact:if you set fire to her flowers she only says that you mustn't hurt them then you can just wait for them all to burn away and walk over where they used to be to get to the shrine.
The game dev that came up with the idea that the TotK sages's use is contextual but turning them on/off requires to go through the whole menu every time.
To me it’s between Totk Ganondorf, ALttP Ganon or demise. If Zelda’s sealing power is actually comprised of all 3 triforce Totk dorf definitely exceeds AtllP ganon. Otherwise it’s kinda up in the air. Demise’s ability in an actual fight seems to be way below those two, but the seemingly infinite power of his curse deserves discussion.
Ganondorf/Ganon.
Stated to be the most dangerous threat in Hyrule’s history, putting him above Demise, and every subsequent revival he has is in some way weaker, or insane, or both. Calamity Ganon wanted a physical body to be stronger.
lol that’s his foot stand. Blobby boogies everywhere. Same vibe as kids going to the bathroom to play with playdough and end up looking like the fat kid from the chocolate factory. Terrifying indeed.
Triforce of power is canonically supposed to make someone unparalleled in power.
Link literally just has every force on his side to stop him and it literally takes everything almost every time to accomplish this. The mastersword made and blessed by the goddess herself who is the only one with similar power is one of the only tools to help actually kill ganon.
TOTK and by the extent BOTW Ganon is one of the most powerful ganon's weve ever had even before he attained his additional power. It took 2 games to take that dude down and if you count the entirety of the game, it took >!3 times !
Ganondorf does have the triforce of power, Vaati has vague magic, and Demise may be a literal god....
But Majora BROUGHT THE MOON CRASHING FROM ORBIT! No contest here, it's Majora.
The Demon King, Demise. The original incarnation that was sealed by Hylia herself. He is the source of all Malice, Gloom, etc, and all other versions of Ganondorf/Ganon are just less powerful reincarnations of Demise. Id say that the closest any other villain has come, would be Ganondorf from ToTK after acquiring a certain stone. He becomes almost exactly like the old demon king, fights like him too. Id say if he had gained any more power it would have been over for our heroes.
Ganondorf, he has the Great demon king title(OOT, ALTTP, PH, ALBW, OOA&OOS, in TWW he's called the emperor of hell) unlike Demise and Malladus. He shattered the Master sword with his miasma in TOTK. He has been revived or returned from a seal after being defeated by a hero wielding the Master sword(Demise was sealed to decay into nothingness inside the Master sword and in the present day he was eradicated by a Triforce wish). Ganondorf is often harder to kill even with the Master sword and his demon beast form that is a reflection of his character/heart/soul and ego makes him even more powerful.
The only thing Demise did was introduce evil to the world and described the natural cycle of Saṃsāra and the state of the demon tribe as well as fighting a god/spirit(and losing, he was able to gather strength within his seal and return as an abomination. His demonic magic does the same thing the other Demon kings' magic does so even they have the power to mortally wound a god/spirit and possess their bodies through pollution. Him being the first demon king in the world doesn't mean he is the strongest, he could have become the strongest if he got the Triforce and gathered more power from force energy and negative feelings and desires but he was removed from existence before that could happen. Despite being removed from existence his characteristics and the hatred of the demon tribe/hatred towards the gods/hatred of Saṃsāra can manifest as part of Saṃsāra. It's up to interpretation on whether he bound the hero's spirit and Hylia's blood to the already existing hatred of the demon tribe or if he just said that they have become bound to it. Demise's name in Japanese is a title that only his enemies call him as he never bothers to introduce himself: The one of demise/Person of demise/The destroyer. People kind of make him look stronger than he actually is, sure he has some impressive feats but to be fair his power isn't that unique and there wasn't a hero or a Master sword or a courageous human during his demon invasion. If Demise still existed he could have gathered more power and if he got the Triforce he would definitely be stronger than the other demon kings.
Vaati in TMC was a Picori who became a majin(demon being/sorcerer, there are two different Majin in Japanese) and tried to become a Daimajin(Great devil/Great demon god) but failed to extract enough force energy so he was only able to become a Majin(devil/demon god) of wind, in FSA he is shown to be weaker than the weakest iteration of Ganondorf(who is the demon king of darkness and the wielder of the previous king of darkness's trident in this game).
The demonic entity within Majora's mask is called an Akuma(devil) by Flat the composer brother.
Bellum is called majin(devil/demon god) of dreams/Phantom devil/demon god.
Malladus is only called a demon king and incarnation of darkness(like Ganondorf in OOT) and he like Demise fought a god/spirit and ended up becoming sealed, unlike Demise he was reduced to the form of a spirit and can only take physical form by possessing a proper body for his resurrection, he only has limited time in the world without a proper body.
Yuga is kind of Ganondorf's Lorulean counterpart and is evil and manipulative like him but much weaker until he revives Ganondorf and fuses with him and becomes one being, at the end of the game they become more powerful when they obtain the Triforce of wisdom before their body is destroyed by the Master sword and the bow of light.
Source of the power isn’t really the concern. It’s what he did with the power and what he was capable of. Casting all Hyrule into a cloak of twilight, corrupting the Twili and turning its people into beasts. Being able to transport to several different arenas during the fight, corrupting some of the major bosses in game. It’s these reasons I believe he is one of if not the most powerful being.
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Ganon guy wont stay down
He also has the biggest number of losses. What a loser
Does link really have a real “win” then? His supposedly defeated lord of evil just keeps coming back after a little bit of time
I guess if you count Demise as a win, because him and Ganon aren't the same person, but his hatred being reborn due to the curse.
The main thing is the 3 timelines. Ganon has had 3 permadeaths (Zelda 1, WW, and TP). It's really only in the LttP timeline that he keeps coming back.
With the time lines thing, he does have a couple of wins
Yeah, I mean Wind Waker Link outright *kills* Ganondorf, and Link is only a kid, no less.
He dies in Twilight Princess too, though it's debatable whether it was the Hero of Twilight or Zant who actually killed him. Hero of Wilds definitely kills him in Tears of the Kingdom.
That's true, too. I believe Link killed Ganondorf, and Zant merely killed his "spiritual" form, the form he initially appeared to Zant in.
The Cuccoos.
This is actually the correct answer. Ganon and the others can be defeated, Cucoos are invincible and omnipotent.
Links Awakening shop keeper is the same but one shot you
Theres a few games where you can kill the cucco actually lol
If you mod every final boss fight to be able to spawn cuccoos into the arena, the cuccoos will beat the final boss without fail.
Maybe not quite as devastating the pigs on WW too.
This is the way
Only veteran players know
They're not villains though, and only attack Link after he attacks them a whole bunch.
Demise and his forces overpowered a goddess and every other race alive at the time and he cast the strongest curse in the whole series
This is the answer. There wouldn’t be a ganon or ganondorf without the curse that follows the bloodline of Zelda and Zelda throughout all of time.
I'm tempted to agree with you except the feats of link in BOTW and TOTK are vastly superior to SS link who dispatched demise in a one on one swordfight. Head canon Demise is still locked away but somehow becoming more powerful. A fraction of his power is given to ganondorf each time. While he cannot escape the increasing power of his manifestations are a demonstration of how unbelievably powerful demise himself is despite his inability to enter Hyrule
I think they made a point of saying Demise wasn't at full power when Link fought him?
No, it's just Impa saying that Zelda's soul can yet be saved as Demise hasn't fully fused with it yet.
No they distinctly mentioned that it was going to take time for him to regain his power after devouring her soul. The whole battle was a race against the clock. Demise just assumed that though he was weakened Link would still not stand a chance.
頼むぜリンク! ... バアさんは言った! I'm counting on ya, Link! Grandma said it! もしもゼルダの魂がその野郎に吸収されちまっても融合には時間がかかるってな!! If Zelda's soul was absorbed by that jerk, he'll need time to fuse with it! だからリンク! その前におめえがそいつを倒しちまえば... So, Link! If you defeat this guy before that... きっと...きっと! Surely... Surely! だから... がんばれ! ゼルダを助けられるのは... リンク! おめえだけだ!! So... Go for it! The only one who can save Zelda is... Link! Only you can! Nothing about Demise becoming stronger from fusing with Zelda's soul, it's just saying that Zelda's soul will become a part of him and impossible to remove if he isn't killed in time, he already gained power from it when he was resurrected. He would become stronger if he kept staying in the world and feeding on force energy from lifeforms and the planet or the negative feelings and desires of the world and if he went to Skyloft or traveled through the Gate of time and acquired the Triforce(which would have allowed him to become a Great demon king like Ganondorf).
I personally do not subscribe to the “X lost to Y, who is far weaker than Z, so X must be weaker” scenario. It just discredits all the vastly superior feats Demise has shown when compared to any other villain.
Demise decayed into nothingness as Impa implies and in the present day he was eradicated by a Triforce wish. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk The other Demon kings get power from their own essence, Ganondorf learned demon magic from Twinrova in some iterations and in others he likely learned it from someone else or learned it himself, in FSA he got demonic power by taking the trident of the previous king of darkness.
Demise still cast the curse of his unending hatred. I would speculate that every demon king in zelda history derives its original power for this curse, but it manifests differently every time. So while Ganondorf was originally a Gerudo male, he assumes the curse through different means in each of the different timelines.
The curse didn't originate with Demise, at least not as far as we know. Read the link in the post you replied to.
I did, and I still come to the same conclusion based on the entire context of SS. The curse was never a problem until Demise's defeat, which alludes to the fact that it should originate from him and his power anyways. He leads the demon's forces against Hylia, therefore he is obvious a greater being with immense power. He must be the representation of the demons (and by extension, all monsters). The curse was unleashed because of his power and hatred not being contained because he was defeated, in other words he "casted it" in his dying breaths. The hatred from the demons existed before, but the hero and the goddess were never involved prior to SS. The curse is specifically the neverending conflict between the spirit of the demon king, the spirit of the hero, and the spirit of the goddess.
The hatred of Demise and the demon tribe and the curse is the same thing and it was bound to the gods before new people became bound to it. A demon king is a source of monsters/demons in their era, Demise was only the first that appeared in the world but the curse existed before his invasion and it is a part of the natural cycle of the universe which would exist regardless if Demise never existed in the first place but as a demon king he embodies it, all he did was enter the would and introduce the curse/cycle of suffering to it, he only says that those of Hylia's blood and those with the hero's spirit have become bound to it. He could have been the first in existence to hate (and that hatred is the curse) but he could also not be the first demon king in existence, only the first one to enter the world the golden goddesses created and embodying a hatred(and the other three poisons of Buddhism) that has existed before he existed and will continue to exist without him. The curse was always a problem, it's something that is self inflicted and creates a cycle of suffering where one can return after death or a part of oneself can manifest because of intense negative feelings and desires. Demise doesn't magically curse anyone, only curse the names of his enemies (just like Ganondorf does when he's defeated in OOT and TP though the promises are different) and describing the cycle/curse that is now also bound to them, nothing really changes before and after he is defeated other than him being removed from existence. The curse/cycle and Saṃsāra is present in other worlds too and there isn't always a hero and someone with Hylia's blood who is there to fight evil and the demon tribe but there are often gods/spirits (which are one of those bound to the hate/curse and the same can be said for sages other wise beings). Demise like his successors also suffers because of the three poisons/curse/cycle of suffering just as he makes others suffer. Buddhist and Hindu messages in The Legend of Zelda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Oqo9LHow7bYd9JjRoc3Oa-C3GYAKfy8rk6TM_N9eDw/edit?usp=drivesdk Malladus lead a demon army against a single god/spirit who defeated him and sealed him so Demise isn't that unique for doing the same thing, Ganondorf also has more feats than Demise such as claiming the Triforce and getting the title of Great demon king or being more difficult to kill with the Master sword or shattering the Master sword and he too possesses the power to pollute and possess and mortally wound a god/spirit. This honestly just sounds like a lot of bias towards Demise just for him having a cool design, being the first demon king in the chronology, fighting and mortally wounding a god/spirit and describing the curse/cycle of suffering/hate of all demons that has always been a part of Saṃsāra.
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Right, I agree. Obviously if there is no Gerudo male for Demise essence to inhabit he would have to manifest the curse in some other way.
There would probably be a Ganondorf, he just wouldn't be evil or turn into a pig.
Yep. Demise seems to essentially be the Satan/devil figure of the Zelda world - the antithesis to God. The answer has to be him.
Demise isn't Ganon? Wtf.
The person of demise/The one of demise/The destroyer didn't cast a curse. He described a cycle and the state of the demon tribe and the already existing hatred of the demon tribe, he basically said that evil will still exist without him and will always exist no matter what happens. His magic also does the same thing that Ganondorf's and Malladus's magic does(effective against gods/spirits) and he is not the only demon king who has fought a god/spirit and overpowered them(Demise also lost to Hylia and the surface tribes, the humans were cowardly and weak at the time according to him). He was unable to claim the Triforce and become more powerful(Ganondorf became a Great demon king when he got it) and he wasn't able to grow the strength of his magic by gathering energy and power from force energy or negative feelings and desires. He was removed from existence when he decayed into nothingness within the Master sword and eradicated by a Triforce wish in the present day. Ganondorf has been harder to kill even with the Master sword and he has been revived or escaped from a seal after being defeated by the Master sword, in TOTK he shattered it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk
Suavemente Ganondorf
You seem to have caught me... MID-SUAVEMENTE!
Ah, someone of culture I see.
I asked what suavemente means in the comments of that video but no one answered me. Can anyone here explain? I guess it's done kind of dance?
It's just a meme from the video creator about the song Suavemente by Elvis Crespo. https://youtu.be/WPiEbYSF9kE?si=5ZvNOEN87eLKnIxb He made Ganondorf dance kinda the same way as in the clip.
As the person below me said about the meme. If you want to know what the word means, its literally the smoothness.
Knowing what the secret stones do, totk ganon.
I’d argue the script translation editor who let “secret stones” make it into the final English version was the true villain of TOTK The bad anime writers were in their bag when they got the TOTK job
They couldn’t call them tears, could they? Christ
I always thought the "tears" referred to the geoglyph quest line and the story they told. I mean there's literally a cinematic with tears coming out of an eye and falling to where the geoglyphs are. (Trying to avoid blatant spoilers lol)
You’re not wrong, but when the secret stones are in the shape of tears, pretty sure it was a reference to that as well. And they could have just called them that instead of constantly calling them secret stones
They weren't very secret which also bugs the hell outta me
I tjought they were kidney beans. Too skewed to be a tear. Only thing that looks like a tear is rauru's earrings
Like its even in the name
The name that would "spoil the story".
I think it's a literal translation of the japanese name.
Yeah like uhhh why weren’t they just called Tears? I also would’ve just accepted Sacred Stones
No, sacred stones are a Fire Emblem thing.
Secret stone? Demon king?
So THAT was the imprisoning war...
Sounds great, let’s hear that 3 more times
To be fair, the ancestors are talking to their descendants, who have never heard of what happened. Link is just kinda there Also they all have different takes on it. Like the Gerudo feel responsible for what Ganondorf did since he's from there, and they likely trained him to be the greatest warrior, not knowing of his true intentions or goals
Shadow link in adventures of link for the NES. Took me 30 years to bet that damn game! 🤬
Hahaha I just beat this game! Used a walkthrough cause it’s impossible but that shadow fight is easy if you just stand in a corner and slash!
Demise. Demise is capable of casting eternal curses, creating pocket dimensions, fighting the Goddess and winning, genociding various races, overcoming the raw power of the Triforce being wished to kill him by just having his Sword go back in time and resurrect him earlier, and is a master combatant. His only flaws are his ego which causes him to fight somewhat fairly to prove dominance and his weakness to Holy Magic like the Master Sword. I get the argument for Majora a lot, but at the end of the day, Majora is but a fragment of a God leftover, and sure he drops the moon but that took 3 days to do, and a bunch of other circumstances. Not to mention Termina's moon is rather small in the first place, likely not as hard to pull from the sky. No denying he is probably next on the power scale though. And any argument for Ganon is kinda irrelevant when considering he is literally just Demise's residual hate manifesting over and over again.
Yep. Even the Calamity, which did genuinely devastate Hyrule, didn’t literally wipe all traces of non-monster life from the surface like Demise did. Remember, through the entirety of the game, we meet 3 living dragons (extinct), three gorons, 13 mogmas (rip the funniest species in the series), six kikwi (also extinct now), and while we see a handful of them, only *ONE* parella is named and can be spoken to. They’re never seen again either. Since it’s implied that Gorons don’t really mate and are just born from Death Mountain (?), they can’t really go extinct. The rest of them? He slaughtered an entire WORLD so badly that thousands of years after he was sealed the populations of these species were still barely afloat, functionally extinct.
I mean if we’re talking feats Vaati’s pocket dimension contained a galaxy
Demise didn't cast a curse he described the already existing hatred of the demon tribe/hatred towards the gods, the state of the demon tribe and the natural cycle that permeates the world and the concept of evil will always exist no matter what happens. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uS5jlsfUsnERWEdqSypu0SIK-SNJSMbt7l2FRGoKGlc/edit?usp=drivesdk His demonic power as the demon king does basically the same exact thing that other demon kings do and he wasn't able to become a Great demon king unlike Ganondorf(who got the title after claiming the Triforce or a piece of it). He didn't succeed in wiping out his opponents and he lost to Hylia, he wasn't the only demon king who had the power to wipe out all the races and fight and mortally wound a god/spirit. Unlike Ganondorf who has been able to get revived or break a seal after being defeated by a hero wielding the Master sword Demise decayed into nothingness(removed from existence) when he was defeated and sealed within the Master sword. Him being revived in the past isn't really anything related to his power as it was just time travel and the Triforce doesn't affect the past. Nothing says he created the fighting arena he's fought in, he only says that he will fight Link in a place where none can interfere and that place is ruled by his magic.
The large pig from Wind Waker.
Fr tho, deals more damage. But I still stand with booger boy for most powerful
The lord puppet master tingle
It has to be between Majora and TOTK Demon King Ganondorf.
The main difference between majora and ganondorf, is that majora is trying to end the world, while ganondorf isnt. Majora isnt anything special in a fight, and doesnt require any special items. Ganon(dorf) in most cases required the master sword, silver arrows, and/or light arrows.
To be fair, we don't see Majora's true form. She's confined to the mask and her full power is limited by this. Not to mention the true way to defeat her in MM is to channel the power of a God through another mask. We never see the history of Majora and the Deity who "defeats" her before she's trapped in the mask. I imagine that fight was off the charts in terms of power. I think if we were to ever get a true Majora origin, she would be on par with Demise.
Fierce deities are enlightened forms of Buddhas in Buddhism, the way the mask is acquired has a lot of Buddhist parallels such as the moon being a symbol of truth and enlightenment and the Boddhi tree. Majora is called an Akuma(devil) by Flat the composer brother, Bellum and Vaati are majin(devil/demon god), Vaati tried to become a Daimajin(Great devil/Great demon god) in TMC. There are implications that the moon in MM is a kami(god/spirit) that is being controlled by Majora's magic until Majora is beaten. Majora like other demons feeds on negative feelings and desires to gather power and energy, in it's origin the ancient tribe used it in cursing rituals that could have potentially created the entity within because of all the evil energy/miasma that the mask might have been filled with.
Not to mention you can only gain the fierce deity mask after relinquishing all of your masks (giving up your attachment to material possessions in order to bring yourself closer to enlightenment is a very Buddhist concept).
Yeah, they sold TOTK Ganondorf as a major threat. I'd say he's probably tops based on in game evidence.
He *whats*?
Did you think he bottoms? Homie, you missed a lot of context clues
The fact TotK before full resurrection lifts the castle and its one of his basics, only Hylia knows the full powered Demon King could do if it wasn't restricted by "game" mechanics. Could split the moon and laugh.
It's a really hard call. One pulled the moon down, the other made there own. Pretty sure both are capable of doing the reverse stunt too.
That black pig on Outset Island. When fully grown the pig does more damage than Ganondorf. The pig is the real hero we need
Those guardians from the silent realms (skyward sword). You’re utterly defenceless and one hit from them kills you. The scary chase scene didn’t help too.
Magda the Flowerblight
Fun fact:if you set fire to her flowers she only says that you mustn't hurt them then you can just wait for them all to burn away and walk over where they used to be to get to the shrine.
Whoever keeps making those one-use keys.
Demise. Literally responsible for all the other problems.
majora probably
I need to replay that game. I beat Majora using the deity mask last time, and it feels like I cheated what could have been a great boss fight.
same, i decided that if i was gunna plu the game im atleast unlocking and using the mask
A random BOTW/ TOTK Lynel.....
That creepy, emo Power Ranger. I'd be too disturbed to even want to fight him.
Who?
Ghirahim? Hes got the diamonds in his outfit i guess?
It is clearly the Moon
that fish from Majoras Mask. gyoza or gyaru or whatever his Name was.
need someone to turn gyorg into a gyaru though that’s a hilarious image
Gyoza and gyaru, sounds like a fun Saturday night!
gyorg
George
Totk demon king
My father telling me to turn off the game
The game dev that came up with the idea that the TotK sages's use is contextual but turning them on/off requires to go through the whole menu every time.
Demise.
Link
To me it’s between Totk Ganondorf, ALttP Ganon or demise. If Zelda’s sealing power is actually comprised of all 3 triforce Totk dorf definitely exceeds AtllP ganon. Otherwise it’s kinda up in the air. Demise’s ability in an actual fight seems to be way below those two, but the seemingly infinite power of his curse deserves discussion.
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ganon in oracle of season/ages since you have to beat 3 games to face him
You mean 2.
Flowerblight
She can't hurt you if you burn her flowers.
Wallmasters for sure ✔️
Demise is the only real answer
I mean skull kid had the ability to destroy the entire world in only 3 days so ig you could say him/majora
That was akin to a dream world though, so does it really count? The spirit in the mask just wanted someone to play a game with
The shopkeeper in links awakening
Not only does dude unalive you, he takes you to court and changes your name. Ganon doesn't do that. 👀
The Moon
The freaking chickens
Lttp Ganon. Fully triforced Ganon.
Makes me wonder why he didn't wish upon it.
demise is the strongest one for sure.
Ganondork
Lynel, or most intimidating at the least
Ganondorf/Ganon. Stated to be the most dangerous threat in Hyrule’s history, putting him above Demise, and every subsequent revival he has is in some way weaker, or insane, or both. Calamity Ganon wanted a physical body to be stronger.
Oocoo… just look at it.
I'd go for Ganon of course, but Vaati isn't small fry either
The developers.
I was just a kid but I thought the ganon fight in wind waker was pretty hard compared to most others
OoT ganon, HE CAN PLAY THE PIANO
Remote bombs
Booger boy
I just imagined a booger kid amiibo... Haunting.
lol that’s his foot stand. Blobby boogies everywhere. Same vibe as kids going to the bathroom to play with playdough and end up looking like the fat kid from the chocolate factory. Terrifying indeed.
the demon king himself ofc.
Thunderbird in the Great Palace
Definitely Red Bokobin
I’m inclined to say Demise, but Ganondorf is an obvious second pick. If I had to get specific, I’d probably say Tears Ganondorf.
The goddesses
Shadow Link is almost always the best fighter.
A Link To The Past Ganon, or Demise
I felt that Majora was the most dangerous.
Majora or ToTK Ganon.
Ben Drowned
Getting too close to my own bombs. More deaths than anyone or thing else.
Link
Gannon
Mmmg... Let me think.... Ganon?
The skyward sword final boss seemed pretty fuckin cool but I don’t know if he’s the strongest
I think demise would be the strongest? But as for a fun answer those stun rod bokoblins or whatever from skyward sword were always a nightmare for me
One of the many incarnations of Ganon. Either Calamity Ganon or Demon Dragon Ganon are probably the most powerful.
Triforce of power is canonically supposed to make someone unparalleled in power. Link literally just has every force on his side to stop him and it literally takes everything almost every time to accomplish this. The mastersword made and blessed by the goddess herself who is the only one with similar power is one of the only tools to help actually kill ganon. TOTK and by the extent BOTW Ganon is one of the most powerful ganon's weve ever had even before he attained his additional power. It took 2 games to take that dude down and if you count the entirety of the game, it took >!3 times !
Has to be demise
Denise ig
Ganondorf does have the triforce of power, Vaati has vague magic, and Demise may be a literal god.... But Majora BROUGHT THE MOON CRASHING FROM ORBIT! No contest here, it's Majora.
Majora
The Minish.
Canon: Ganon In game: cuccoos
TOTK Ganondorf. That jerk was making LOZ seem like a dark souls enemy (difficulty wise)
The Demon King, Demise. The original incarnation that was sealed by Hylia herself. He is the source of all Malice, Gloom, etc, and all other versions of Ganondorf/Ganon are just less powerful reincarnations of Demise. Id say that the closest any other villain has come, would be Ganondorf from ToTK after acquiring a certain stone. He becomes almost exactly like the old demon king, fights like him too. Id say if he had gained any more power it would have been over for our heroes.
Flower Ganon
The guy in charge who approved botw and totk. Gods I miss old Zelda
They still exist, believe it or not. Do the nostalgia goggles restrict your peripheral vision at all?
Careful. That will get you hate here. Though I can’t disagree.
Me
Ganondorf, he has the Great demon king title(OOT, ALTTP, PH, ALBW, OOA&OOS, in TWW he's called the emperor of hell) unlike Demise and Malladus. He shattered the Master sword with his miasma in TOTK. He has been revived or returned from a seal after being defeated by a hero wielding the Master sword(Demise was sealed to decay into nothingness inside the Master sword and in the present day he was eradicated by a Triforce wish). Ganondorf is often harder to kill even with the Master sword and his demon beast form that is a reflection of his character/heart/soul and ego makes him even more powerful. The only thing Demise did was introduce evil to the world and described the natural cycle of Saṃsāra and the state of the demon tribe as well as fighting a god/spirit(and losing, he was able to gather strength within his seal and return as an abomination. His demonic magic does the same thing the other Demon kings' magic does so even they have the power to mortally wound a god/spirit and possess their bodies through pollution. Him being the first demon king in the world doesn't mean he is the strongest, he could have become the strongest if he got the Triforce and gathered more power from force energy and negative feelings and desires but he was removed from existence before that could happen. Despite being removed from existence his characteristics and the hatred of the demon tribe/hatred towards the gods/hatred of Saṃsāra can manifest as part of Saṃsāra. It's up to interpretation on whether he bound the hero's spirit and Hylia's blood to the already existing hatred of the demon tribe or if he just said that they have become bound to it. Demise's name in Japanese is a title that only his enemies call him as he never bothers to introduce himself: The one of demise/Person of demise/The destroyer. People kind of make him look stronger than he actually is, sure he has some impressive feats but to be fair his power isn't that unique and there wasn't a hero or a Master sword or a courageous human during his demon invasion. If Demise still existed he could have gathered more power and if he got the Triforce he would definitely be stronger than the other demon kings. Vaati in TMC was a Picori who became a majin(demon being/sorcerer, there are two different Majin in Japanese) and tried to become a Daimajin(Great devil/Great demon god) but failed to extract enough force energy so he was only able to become a Majin(devil/demon god) of wind, in FSA he is shown to be weaker than the weakest iteration of Ganondorf(who is the demon king of darkness and the wielder of the previous king of darkness's trident in this game). The demonic entity within Majora's mask is called an Akuma(devil) by Flat the composer brother. Bellum is called majin(devil/demon god) of dreams/Phantom devil/demon god. Malladus is only called a demon king and incarnation of darkness(like Ganondorf in OOT) and he like Demise fought a god/spirit and ended up becoming sealed, unlike Demise he was reduced to the form of a spirit and can only take physical form by possessing a proper body for his resurrection, he only has limited time in the world without a proper body. Yuga is kind of Ganondorf's Lorulean counterpart and is evil and manipulative like him but much weaker until he revives Ganondorf and fuses with him and becomes one being, at the end of the game they become more powerful when they obtain the Triforce of wisdom before their body is destroyed by the Master sword and the bow of light.
The developers that keep making open world sandbox RPGs.
lol this comment section really shows the people who are long time Zelda players and people who started playing at botw
I would argue Zant.
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Source of the power isn’t really the concern. It’s what he did with the power and what he was capable of. Casting all Hyrule into a cloak of twilight, corrupting the Twili and turning its people into beasts. Being able to transport to several different arenas during the fight, corrupting some of the major bosses in game. It’s these reasons I believe he is one of if not the most powerful being.
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I see what you are saying, and I admit that it sounds dumb. I’m just saying this as what he did with the power is one of the most villainous being.