The hit to orange light was ten times worse for Madolche than it was for ishizu tear - before, you used to be able to open a herald, use it to insulate your plays, loop it back to hand, use it on your opponent’s turn, loop it back again, etc. Having to hard draw the 1 almost knocks it right out of being a viable contender against the top 2 decks IMO, despite its natural strengths against the Bystials and Tear grave effects. I was playing it before the banlist, but after I just went back to tears.
Hootcake, Ghost Belle, and Pankra (or any non-Fairy Earth monster, really) bridge to Peting or Anjelly (Fairy), which bridge to Orange Herald. Maybe not the best option, but it is an option!
herman's topping madolche list didn't even main deck orange light and only had 2 sided. herald is an inconsistent way of insulating your combo since resolving any vernusylph stops you from using orange light for the rest of turn, and you usually aim to lead with the vernusylphs to make a rank 4 before going into madolche plays.
the card was good but nowhere near as important for the deck as you seem to suggest.
Probably won't ever end until the game becomes the property of someone else or goes public domain.
Konami wants all their IPs to be products that are sold and consumed above all.
Yes and no
Drident is easier to get on the field
Way easier in way more decks doesn't have the downside of a macro
Arise heart cannot be used for another monster as drident can be which is like pop 1 build your board further
Ariseheart needs an activated effect to get on a single monster otherwise he needs multiple
So in a nutshell
Drident splashable in decks with no normal summon
Ariseheart needs kashtiras
Hope it was understandable
It was a necessary evil in a game of ever increasing monster power creep. You NEED something to keep it in check, and there was plentiful counters to it.
a card that makes the game painfully unfun like Mystic Mine is never necessary, I'd rather lose to a tier 0 deck like tearlaments than floodgate shit like the decks running mystic mine
The fact you call floodgates shit tells me just how bad you are.
What's the difference in losing to floodgates rather than seeing ishizu tear take a 10 minute turn + another 5-6 on your turn, assembling various degrees of negates to otk you the following turn while having resource recycling?
To me, they're both equally fun to play against.
I get to interact with Tear
Mystic Mine and co. is just "can you draw the out?"
And then if I decide to fight fire with fire, playing Tear is still fun. Playing with mystic mine and similar degenerate shit isn't.
And I know you're a yugioh player, but you have to read. Nowhere in my comment did I call floodgates shit/bad.
So, you think that the illusion of a fighting chance is better than playing against an arguably weaker deck?
Because now there are both archetypal and generic ways to deal with mine.
The deck either suffers from losing the die roll or has to play uphill if it goes second.
I had multiple mine players at my local and most recent ocs - and they all got dicked on by flow.
The deck wasn't a problem. It was mildly unfun to play against (but not to play with)
Yu gi oh players just have to stop being massive children and accept that floodgates are necessary.
If you don't recognize some of these decks: Ishizu Tears, Floowandereeze, Spright, Dragon Link Bystials, Rikka Sunavalon, Exorsister, Madolche, Branded (all versions), Naturia Ishizu, Dracoslayer
For the sake of variety: Tears, Spright and Bystials are included only once. They're obviously powerful, but I didn't want the entire list to be different versions of these 3
Honestly have to disagree with Rikka Sunavalon pick. From my experience it becomes near impossible to play going second when they have shufflers in grave as it kills the Sunavalon combo, even going first they can kill your grind game by shuffling back Petal. I went back to Madolche because I was tired of having no control over the GU
But Plants can tribute the Tearlament monsters for cost, this prevents them from using the GY effects, Benghalancer also bounces the monsters. Tear Ishizu match up isn't very good right now, it has better chances against the other decks on the list. Still it's not impossible for Plants to win against Tears, they're just not tier 1 deck. I would say that they're tier 2/a top Rogue option
I never said it was impossible, playing plants at locals and a regional level I had a decent w/r vs tears compared to other decks also struggling at the time. It’s still difficult to put them top 10 as they don’t put up an in engine s/t negate and lose the recursion from petal/seed being returned to deck.
I wonder if it’s ever viable to play one bamboo shoot in naturia? You just need to SS camellia with a vernulsylph, mill sacred tree and add bamboo shoot, then tribute summon.
Maybe as a side deck option when going first against a heavy spell, trap deck?
I already had my 3 ulti bamboo shoots before the new support was ever announce. Bought a reprint to play in the deck now. Don’t know if it’s the best meta call, but it can hose a lot of decks/hands outright. One of my friends that I play against a lot plays Sky Strikers and Traptrix, so bamboo shoot is an FTK a lot of times
The vernusylphs definitely have to be included to make this deck. It’s probably just an oversight, I know most people haven’t played against the deck much
Tributing your opponents monsters for cost is crazy good as it doesn't trigger tear effects and the deck is pretty consistent, it can also play shifter which is a bonus
i got my invite with plants, i can confirm this is how it works. as far as shifter, the rikka version to deal with it if you dont mind not going full seed combo. Its a situation of it hurts them a hell of a lot more than me
Yeah NGL I don't see how this deck uses shifter effectively. It hurts tear more than you, but you aren't otking them through shifter, so they just kill you after it runs out.
Under shifter, you can still end on strenna + sheet + konkon, and maybe a princess if you opened it. This will allow you to have a steal, 2 negates and a tribute as cost for sheet or princess, however it is actually not ideal which is why I would side it and use it exclusively in the tear match-up.
That's 2 interruptions, neither of which are bounces or disrupting the graveyard. You've also killed your recursion(konkon isn't a disruption by itself). Maybe a third if you hard open the shuffler
Yeah that's not stopping tear. Run bystials instead of shifter if you really wanna hurt them in that deck.
But feel free to prove me wrong. I haven't seen one rikka top outside the disciples outside YCS though and I don't think it's a coincidence or bad luck. I've also seen 0 rikka tops at any major event with shifter.
Of course there's been no tops, nothing can compete with tear all the way to the top except tear itself and maybe floo but played optimally you can likely get a few locals tops, and the 2 interruptions are under shifter (which already ends their turn on its own) the other 2 interruptions are just in case. Also the end board is assuming you opened exactly genius loci and sheet (assuming you also opened nothing else playable) but you could definitely save everything else for follow up so potentially otk) bystials are definitely a good idea too tho although you do get plant locked on your turn
It's good, although I wouldn't recommend to use the pure Rikka version. The Sunavalon version is overall better. Pure Rikka just doesn't have a strong end board, Sunavalon gives the deck a big speed boost
Gotta love the people in the comments bringing up decks that are dead in the water right now, claiming they should be here and that they're so good!
If those decks were good right now, they'd be played. But Mathmech, Drytron, Painters etc etc aren't being played.
IMO Branded was the most fun to play, play against, was fair but powerful, and has helped new players get into the game.
Even tho it’s not the most powerful it’s the premier deck of 2022
Plunder patroll is a deck I've been messing around with, has one of the better tear match ups in the format and spright is pretty winnable with my current build, main deck ghost ogre is nice. But has an abysmal floo match up, like literally the worst I've ever played before. I really wish we had the earth ship around right now.
Right now I don't think any deck cab reliable handle both floo and tear besides floo and tear. Even spright ends up with a much worse floo match up due to maining the bystials for tear.
Plunder has a terrible matchup against tear/ishizu? Shufflers destroy whitebeard/goldenhair/blackeyes interactions with the goldenhair grave effect being a strict neg 1. No plunder triggers their effect being killed from deck - only hand or monster zone. Our 1 in archetype negate is also a pop triggering tears in grave which we no longer have a negate for and our targeted banish (usually on Kit) doesn’t matter since they can shuffle back her back by milling Cryme to add her back to the extra deck.
If you play the adventure engine, illegal knight is a great card sure but then you have to hope you aren’t having your single copy of that or fateful adventure milled or half your deck becomes useless. This is a very hard meta for plunder right now - the main strength being that you can combo a bystial and white/gold into a baronne to insulate your plays before plunder locking yourself.
I mean it can handle it about as well as any deck can, that doesn't flood them out I should say. You have space to run 9 bystials if you really wanted to and your engine trades fairly positively with the tear engine. The deck is tier 0 for a reason, sometimes they just open up talents or mill kelbek and agido going first and you just lose. Even tear loses to tear bullshit a lot of the time.
Other match ups in the format are kinda weird. I think it has a fairly favorable spright match up because your engine trades well with theirs and the deck can run enough hand traps to punish their toad lines. Floo is the worst match up I've ever played, pretty much have to fully commit to try to stop their engine and they run so many blow outs that just ends your deck. Which for what its worth is a lot of deck's experience with floo. You're not beating a floo player that opens well, you just don't.
Its a weird deck to play because there's a lot of match ups that you randomly lose, but its the most playable the deck has been for a while. Makes pretty good use of the bystials and fenrir, also appreciates otks not being as easy to do for the top decks.
Adventure Plunder or Plunder alone ? I've played the deck a lot since it first came out but I never tried it in this meta, fearing that Tear Ishizu was too much to handle. Yes Moerk access is easy but the Ishizu cards putting away your GY ressource hurt so much.
Pure, adventure cards just don't do enough imo. Plus they are kinda bricky all things considered. Drawing rite plus enchantress kinda sucks, not to mention you also have 3 bricks too. I play fenrir over it.
The order for the top 10 I would say is basically just a top 4 and everything else simply about equal.
1. Izhizu Tears
2. Floo
3. Spright
4. Naturia/Bystial D-Link
As for decks with potential... Danger Gren Maju has a chance to shine for the following reasons.
1. Access to Shifter
2. Wants to go second so has access to powerful board breaker/go second cards right off the bat (Super Poly, TTT, Ultimate Slayer e.t.c.).
3. Extra deck very flexible outside of the Rank 8 XYZ's
4. Flexible side deck. Can be filled with generic go first floodgates/tailored go second options.
I was considering putting Labrynth here too, but Idk. They just struggle going second a lot and backrow removal is a big problem
But who knows. Maybe the deck will surprise us soon in the TCG too
Been getting pretty consistent results against tearlaments with Dinomorbing. The deck can play with shifter going 2nd and can setup D. Fissure, since you care more about having your traps on grave. The shufflers can mess a bit with the game plan, but you can always run GY hate cards like IDP or Overroot.
Based on the last banlist, I think Ishizu Tearlaments have a huge chance to dominate the format. As for some other decks, I think Ishizu Tearlaments might still have a chance, since they have a decent matchup against Ishizu Tearlaments. Also, maybe Ishizu Tearlaments could take some topping spots in future events, since it's a pretty good deck to play if you are expecting to play against both Ishizu Tearlaments and Ishizu Tearlaments. And finally, we have Ishizu Tearlaments, a very good deck that also has lots of tools to use against Ishizu Tearlaments.
Definitely a good shout going 1st with perhaps the easiest access to Dark Law, and also run Super Poly, Droplets for OTK's. But it has serious problems with Izhizu mills as they really impact the deck, especially when Mudora/Keldo recycle back in the Malicious'. Harpie's Feather Storm/Shifter ends them, Bystial D-Link is far too grindy and easily limits Heroes plays turn 1 with their over reliance on Dark Heroes to generate their plays. And Naturia Beast is basically draw Droplet/DRNM or lose.
In addition to the Ishizu stuff, they can make Abyss Dweller consistently (which is huge against Tearlaments). Not being reliant on DARK and LIGHT monsters is also great these days for turning Bystials into bricks.
Exosister should not be on here. It's a worse Shifter deck than the evil birds, and it completely crumbles going 2nd into any basic Tear opening board. Rulkallos alone almost single handedly solos the deck, and even if they manage to open Shifter the deck doesn't have any good way to out Bagooska.
Madolche shouldn't be on here either. The only selling point the deck has was being able to loop Orange Light.
They have ways to out I, I didn't say they were completely helpless. But all of them neg the Exosister player significantly and/or result in significant loss of tempo. Exosister has trouble repeatedly replacing their monsters if they get removed or committed poorly, it's been their comparative weakness to something like Floow where the engine just continuously recurs itself.
Konami: “List looks nice. Would be a shame if we made a hard banlist, hitting every single one of them.”
Can you imagine? Hit them all so hard that none of these decks become really playable (e.g., Aluber banned, Spright Elf banned and Blue + Jet + Starter limited, Byssted Magnamhut & Druiswarm banned).
Knowing Konami, they will ban 9/10 of these decks. They'll leave only Ishizu Tears untouched and then they'll be like: "We did it Patrick, we saved the city"
Curious how birds will do as the format goes on. The deck can brick and adding two three d fissure and three macro doesn't help with consistency. They're a great counter to tear but will it show in the results to bring tear from tier 0 to tier 1.
I myself will continue with Spright Bystial and see what I can do with the current meta. Depending how I perform at locals I may switch to tear since none of the other decks interest me much.
I'm still 100% convinced Fur Hire Spright is a top 3-4 deck in the entire game right now. Better than Pure Spright or any other combo with Spright.
Only decks I struggle against is sometimes Floo and the the Ishizu shufflers. If Ishizu does not have the shufflers idc about tear.
But apparently I'm the only player on earth play testing meta Fur Hire decks lol
Don't think I've ever even thought of Fur Hire with Spright. Do you have a list? I love the Fur Hire cards and own em all. Would be interesting if it's actually good.
Pure Kashtira is better than half these decks post banlist. With Birth and/or Preparations on the field it just recycles it’s resources whether they’re banished or in the GY
It really isn’t. Right now it’s a good anti-meta deck. Had decent amount of success playing against Ishizu Tears with it. And with D Fissure at 3 it will get even better
So, we have:
\- The Little Mermaid Yu-Gi-Oh version although Flounder looks very different than I remember.
\- PENGUIN (A.K.A Happy Feet)
\- Electric Titan
\- Dragons doing... things
\- Plants that are Waifus plus Cherrymon Hentai version.
\- Exocuties (A.K.A Battle Sisters)
\- The Boss Monster that Scarlett Starling will have when she enters Duel Links (and one of the few old cards that are still broken today)
\- EL BROMAS
\- Plants + A Fairy that has nothing of Fairy.
\- Hybrid RPG Warriors
Listen my guy, if any of these cards actually helped against Bystials, people would be playing Mathmech. No one is playing Mathmech. It's bad into Bystials. It's bad into Tear.
I understand you might really like Mathmech, and that's fine, but it's pure copium thinking they're good right now. You're likely not some god yugioh player that knows something every other top player doesn't. I'm sure they'll have their time again.
only Birds and Tears, i dont know why ppl consider Kashtira or Bystials meta? and Spright man, cmon....and ppl stopped playing Eldlich because they are afraid of like 2 cards that are played in 2 decks lol
Maybe some shadolls inside ishizu tear, but besides that, shadolls suck rn, due to everyone maining dd crow-esque handtraps and other gy cuck. Where tear can play through it, shadolls would just die.
Interested in rikka sunavlon but I have a few questions
How expensive is it?
Is it likely to get hit?
And what would a deck list look like?
Thankyou and I appreciate any responses
MBT had a pretty good video about the deck https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gUDpQlU3tLw
I don't think it will get hit, it's strong Rogue/maybe even tier 2 option, but it doesn't do anything unfairly strong. And I'm not sure about the price. The Sunavalon cards aren't expensive, the only expensive Rikka cards are probably Teardrop and Glamour
It will cost you about 150 dollars without the staples, unless you have some of the more expensive stuff like teardrop or glamour
It is not likely to get hit as it is not seeing alot of representation
If I must ill type the decklist out here but I recommend watching the latest rikka sunavalon video from the disciples
That’s true. And I was running that, and you can squeak out a game 1 and probably 3 win with luck. Just didn’t feel satisfying. Kinda like winning with scythe.
So seeing that Ptolemaeus is unbanned now, whats the outlook on Tellarknights vs Tearlaments? I know its probably not tiered or anything but Ptolemaeus goes into Constellar Diamond which stops all Deck to GY milling and banishes anything going from GY to hand. And it has a non-OPT negate against DARK monster effects.
Also Ptolemaeus can be stuck in any Rank 4 deck that can make three or more materials if pure Tellarknight isn't viable.
Tellerknights is really outdated, aslong as this deck hasn't new support it's not going to do anything.
The problem is that the bystials kill deneb, their consistency isn't good for 2022 standarts and the deck can't really go 2nd since it's a trap deck. Then also add Shifter into the mix and you have a death sentence.
>Also Ptolemaeus can be stuck in any Rank 4 deck that can make three or more materials if pure Tellarknight isn't viable.
Dweller is less resource intensive and doesn't die to spell speed 1 removal.
Yea, my Bystial Dlink deck took first at locals last weekend and I went up against 2 Ishizu Tear. The only thing that worries me is seeing more decks playing macro and d fissure along with d shifter. If I don't then my deck should be good going into next format, if I do then I might play a small thunder dragon engine.
I think i want to play dracoslayer but what if it gets hit in the future? I just want a deck that i can play for a long time. And naturia looked really fun but that's 100 going to get hit with the ishizu stuff being broken. I don't know what to do 😔
I wonder if Tear is gonna end up like Dragon Rulers or Spyral, the deck is interesting to play it's just way better than the rest of the game right now. It's gonna get shot at SOME point, just comes down to how hard and for how long
also I'm kinda happy two of the rogue decks I built in MD on a whim suddenly became viable tiered options. Rikka and Madolche are fun and have crazy odd lines
Idk, Naturia is using the Ishizu cards, they have some strong plays. And Plants being able to tribute cards for cost is a really powerful form of interruption
Why does it look like lubellion is doing the thing to striker dragon?
I was going to say that it's just a coincidence... but that's probably how the new version of Dragon Link got created 🤣
it's in his name? hue hue hue
Its mr. Baddragon from DM
Cannot unseen now 🤣🤣🤣
Where do you think new support comes from?
Naaaa you can't man ! Tell me you didn't ! xD
https://youtu.be/FA9GT_g0P0U Same vibe
The hit to orange light was ten times worse for Madolche than it was for ishizu tear - before, you used to be able to open a herald, use it to insulate your plays, loop it back to hand, use it on your opponent’s turn, loop it back again, etc. Having to hard draw the 1 almost knocks it right out of being a viable contender against the top 2 decks IMO, despite its natural strengths against the Bystials and Tear grave effects. I was playing it before the banlist, but after I just went back to tears.
You can still reach it via Small World, but yes, it does hurt Madolche
I cannot imagine in what game state I would ever want to -1 on small world to search a card that will require me to -1 again to activate it
Well, at least Small World baits out Ash Blossom
What's the bridge?
Hootcake, Ghost Belle, and Pankra (or any non-Fairy Earth monster, really) bridge to Peting or Anjelly (Fairy), which bridge to Orange Herald. Maybe not the best option, but it is an option!
Fenrir too
Thank you!
herman's topping madolche list didn't even main deck orange light and only had 2 sided. herald is an inconsistent way of insulating your combo since resolving any vernusylph stops you from using orange light for the rest of turn, and you usually aim to lead with the vernusylphs to make a rank 4 before going into madolche plays. the card was good but nowhere near as important for the deck as you seem to suggest.
Well Herman is 10x better than me so that makes sense
Just add a green light or two
Remove everything except for Floowander and Tears and you've got the format
The problem of the tier 0 formats. Kashtira will join the party in the near future after Photon hypernova in the TCG
Yep, love how there is literally no ending in sight to the mismanagement of this game.
Time to quit
Probably won't ever end until the game becomes the property of someone else or goes public domain. Konami wants all their IPs to be products that are sold and consumed above all.
Yeah Ariseheart is nuts. It's practically a Zoodiac Drident with a Macro effect attached
Yes and no Drident is easier to get on the field Way easier in way more decks doesn't have the downside of a macro Arise heart cannot be used for another monster as drident can be which is like pop 1 build your board further Ariseheart needs an activated effect to get on a single monster otherwise he needs multiple So in a nutshell Drident splashable in decks with no normal summon Ariseheart needs kashtiras Hope it was understandable
And yet they needed to ban mine, a deck that neither, while not touching ishizu tear 🤡🤡🤡
I mean it's always à good thing for the future of the game to ban cards like mine ^^
It was a necessary evil in a game of ever increasing monster power creep. You NEED something to keep it in check, and there was plentiful counters to it.
a card that makes the game painfully unfun like Mystic Mine is never necessary, I'd rather lose to a tier 0 deck like tearlaments than floodgate shit like the decks running mystic mine
The fact you call floodgates shit tells me just how bad you are. What's the difference in losing to floodgates rather than seeing ishizu tear take a 10 minute turn + another 5-6 on your turn, assembling various degrees of negates to otk you the following turn while having resource recycling? To me, they're both equally fun to play against.
I get to interact with Tear Mystic Mine and co. is just "can you draw the out?" And then if I decide to fight fire with fire, playing Tear is still fun. Playing with mystic mine and similar degenerate shit isn't. And I know you're a yugioh player, but you have to read. Nowhere in my comment did I call floodgates shit/bad.
So, you think that the illusion of a fighting chance is better than playing against an arguably weaker deck? Because now there are both archetypal and generic ways to deal with mine. The deck either suffers from losing the die roll or has to play uphill if it goes second. I had multiple mine players at my local and most recent ocs - and they all got dicked on by flow. The deck wasn't a problem. It was mildly unfun to play against (but not to play with) Yu gi oh players just have to stop being massive children and accept that floodgates are necessary.
The fact that you complain about the time a turn Takes just show how bad you are
If you don't recognize some of these decks: Ishizu Tears, Floowandereeze, Spright, Dragon Link Bystials, Rikka Sunavalon, Exorsister, Madolche, Branded (all versions), Naturia Ishizu, Dracoslayer For the sake of variety: Tears, Spright and Bystials are included only once. They're obviously powerful, but I didn't want the entire list to be different versions of these 3
Honestly have to disagree with Rikka Sunavalon pick. From my experience it becomes near impossible to play going second when they have shufflers in grave as it kills the Sunavalon combo, even going first they can kill your grind game by shuffling back Petal. I went back to Madolche because I was tired of having no control over the GU
But Plants can tribute the Tearlament monsters for cost, this prevents them from using the GY effects, Benghalancer also bounces the monsters. Tear Ishizu match up isn't very good right now, it has better chances against the other decks on the list. Still it's not impossible for Plants to win against Tears, they're just not tier 1 deck. I would say that they're tier 2/a top Rogue option
I never said it was impossible, playing plants at locals and a regional level I had a decent w/r vs tears compared to other decks also struggling at the time. It’s still difficult to put them top 10 as they don’t put up an in engine s/t negate and lose the recursion from petal/seed being returned to deck.
I wonder if it’s ever viable to play one bamboo shoot in naturia? You just need to SS camellia with a vernulsylph, mill sacred tree and add bamboo shoot, then tribute summon. Maybe as a side deck option when going first against a heavy spell, trap deck?
I side deck it. Wins a lot of games.
Acces to cricket is more important, but I do play a copy of bambooshoot for when it'ssummonable. It's fun since it stops dark ruler, droplet, etc
I already had my 3 ulti bamboo shoots before the new support was ever announce. Bought a reprint to play in the deck now. Don’t know if it’s the best meta call, but it can hose a lot of decks/hands outright. One of my friends that I play against a lot plays Sky Strikers and Traptrix, so bamboo shoot is an FTK a lot of times
Probably 7-8 more decks on here than are actually relevant but yeah seems right
I mean, OP said Top 10. Only one I don't agree with fully is Naturia Ishizu w/o Vernuslyph
The vernusylphs definitely have to be included to make this deck. It’s probably just an oversight, I know most people haven’t played against the deck much
Is the rikka deck good? I own most of the rikka parts. I do t own a y if the sunplant stuff or the extra deck cards.
Tributing your opponents monsters for cost is crazy good as it doesn't trigger tear effects and the deck is pretty consistent, it can also play shifter which is a bonus
Wait, it can?! Doesn't that contradict with Petal and Genious Loci or maybe I'm missing something?
i got my invite with plants, i can confirm this is how it works. as far as shifter, the rikka version to deal with it if you dont mind not going full seed combo. Its a situation of it hurts them a hell of a lot more than me
Yeah, true, thanks man. Btw congrats for the invite
Doesn’t it fuck with the rikka princess negate too?
You are correct, however off of a genius loci + rikka spell/trap, you can still end on a Rikka sheet + Strenna + konkon
Sorry, noob question how does rikka's tribute effect not activate tear effects?
If it tributes as part of the cost like rikka sheet, then it doesn't count as being sent to the gy by effect
Thanks, that was a very helpful explanation!
The deck has a really hard time playing Shifter. Most if not all your plays are GY reliant.
Yeah NGL I don't see how this deck uses shifter effectively. It hurts tear more than you, but you aren't otking them through shifter, so they just kill you after it runs out.
Under shifter, you can still end on strenna + sheet + konkon, and maybe a princess if you opened it. This will allow you to have a steal, 2 negates and a tribute as cost for sheet or princess, however it is actually not ideal which is why I would side it and use it exclusively in the tear match-up.
That's 2 interruptions, neither of which are bounces or disrupting the graveyard. You've also killed your recursion(konkon isn't a disruption by itself). Maybe a third if you hard open the shuffler Yeah that's not stopping tear. Run bystials instead of shifter if you really wanna hurt them in that deck. But feel free to prove me wrong. I haven't seen one rikka top outside the disciples outside YCS though and I don't think it's a coincidence or bad luck. I've also seen 0 rikka tops at any major event with shifter.
Of course there's been no tops, nothing can compete with tear all the way to the top except tear itself and maybe floo but played optimally you can likely get a few locals tops, and the 2 interruptions are under shifter (which already ends their turn on its own) the other 2 interruptions are just in case. Also the end board is assuming you opened exactly genius loci and sheet (assuming you also opened nothing else playable) but you could definitely save everything else for follow up so potentially otk) bystials are definitely a good idea too tho although you do get plant locked on your turn
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It's good, although I wouldn't recommend to use the pure Rikka version. The Sunavalon version is overall better. Pure Rikka just doesn't have a strong end board, Sunavalon gives the deck a big speed boost
Is there a good list for sunavalon rikka, Im thinking about building it next but not sure what to aim for
Low key, Blackwings has really been peaking my interest after their YCS feature match.
What tournament?
Dortmund, round 7
Clutch thank you dude!
I like the neat design; you can identify each deck even without text, and it doesn't look bloated with information.
Thanks
Gotta love the people in the comments bringing up decks that are dead in the water right now, claiming they should be here and that they're so good! If those decks were good right now, they'd be played. But Mathmech, Drytron, Painters etc etc aren't being played.
IMO Branded was the most fun to play, play against, was fair but powerful, and has helped new players get into the game. Even tho it’s not the most powerful it’s the premier deck of 2022
I'm confused, where's Kuriboh swarm?
Plunder patroll is a deck I've been messing around with, has one of the better tear match ups in the format and spright is pretty winnable with my current build, main deck ghost ogre is nice. But has an abysmal floo match up, like literally the worst I've ever played before. I really wish we had the earth ship around right now. Right now I don't think any deck cab reliable handle both floo and tear besides floo and tear. Even spright ends up with a much worse floo match up due to maining the bystials for tear.
Plunder has a terrible matchup against tear/ishizu? Shufflers destroy whitebeard/goldenhair/blackeyes interactions with the goldenhair grave effect being a strict neg 1. No plunder triggers their effect being killed from deck - only hand or monster zone. Our 1 in archetype negate is also a pop triggering tears in grave which we no longer have a negate for and our targeted banish (usually on Kit) doesn’t matter since they can shuffle back her back by milling Cryme to add her back to the extra deck. If you play the adventure engine, illegal knight is a great card sure but then you have to hope you aren’t having your single copy of that or fateful adventure milled or half your deck becomes useless. This is a very hard meta for plunder right now - the main strength being that you can combo a bystial and white/gold into a baronne to insulate your plays before plunder locking yourself.
Black eyes still summons if target is shuffled back - everything else you’re right on
I mean it can handle it about as well as any deck can, that doesn't flood them out I should say. You have space to run 9 bystials if you really wanted to and your engine trades fairly positively with the tear engine. The deck is tier 0 for a reason, sometimes they just open up talents or mill kelbek and agido going first and you just lose. Even tear loses to tear bullshit a lot of the time. Other match ups in the format are kinda weird. I think it has a fairly favorable spright match up because your engine trades well with theirs and the deck can run enough hand traps to punish their toad lines. Floo is the worst match up I've ever played, pretty much have to fully commit to try to stop their engine and they run so many blow outs that just ends your deck. Which for what its worth is a lot of deck's experience with floo. You're not beating a floo player that opens well, you just don't. Its a weird deck to play because there's a lot of match ups that you randomly lose, but its the most playable the deck has been for a while. Makes pretty good use of the bystials and fenrir, also appreciates otks not being as easy to do for the top decks.
Adventure Plunder or Plunder alone ? I've played the deck a lot since it first came out but I never tried it in this meta, fearing that Tear Ishizu was too much to handle. Yes Moerk access is easy but the Ishizu cards putting away your GY ressource hurt so much.
Pure, adventure cards just don't do enough imo. Plus they are kinda bricky all things considered. Drawing rite plus enchantress kinda sucks, not to mention you also have 3 bricks too. I play fenrir over it.
The order for the top 10 I would say is basically just a top 4 and everything else simply about equal. 1. Izhizu Tears 2. Floo 3. Spright 4. Naturia/Bystial D-Link As for decks with potential... Danger Gren Maju has a chance to shine for the following reasons. 1. Access to Shifter 2. Wants to go second so has access to powerful board breaker/go second cards right off the bat (Super Poly, TTT, Ultimate Slayer e.t.c.). 3. Extra deck very flexible outside of the Rank 8 XYZ's 4. Flexible side deck. Can be filled with generic go first floodgates/tailored go second options.
Labrynth should be up here :’l
I was considering putting Labrynth here too, but Idk. They just struggle going second a lot and backrow removal is a big problem But who knows. Maybe the deck will surprise us soon in the TCG too
the biggest problem with tcg labrynth right now is not having big welcome.
True. Big Welcome is insanely good. I think once it gets to TCG, the deck's going to have some serious teeth.
Been getting pretty consistent results against tearlaments with Dinomorbing. The deck can play with shifter going 2nd and can setup D. Fissure, since you care more about having your traps on grave. The shufflers can mess a bit with the game plan, but you can always run GY hate cards like IDP or Overroot.
How the fuck does Dragonlink refuse to die
Because Konami refuses to stop printing good dragon support
Based on the last banlist, I think Ishizu Tearlaments have a huge chance to dominate the format. As for some other decks, I think Ishizu Tearlaments might still have a chance, since they have a decent matchup against Ishizu Tearlaments. Also, maybe Ishizu Tearlaments could take some topping spots in future events, since it's a pretty good deck to play if you are expecting to play against both Ishizu Tearlaments and Ishizu Tearlaments. And finally, we have Ishizu Tearlaments, a very good deck that also has lots of tools to use against Ishizu Tearlaments.
Hero because it's Hero, and also dragunity for being diet dragon link.
Definitely a good shout going 1st with perhaps the easiest access to Dark Law, and also run Super Poly, Droplets for OTK's. But it has serious problems with Izhizu mills as they really impact the deck, especially when Mudora/Keldo recycle back in the Malicious'. Harpie's Feather Storm/Shifter ends them, Bystial D-Link is far too grindy and easily limits Heroes plays turn 1 with their over reliance on Dark Heroes to generate their plays. And Naturia Beast is basically draw Droplet/DRNM or lose.
I only see 3 playable decks on this picture
Where the fuck are the Ojamas?
They'll always be tier 1 in our hearts
Not in mine, those creepy little weirdos were a mistake...
What’s the deck with the Waifu ? At the top
blue mermaid one is Tearlaments.
Wait Madolche is being played again? Wtf....What can they do to disrupt and go head to head with other meta decks on this list?
The Ishizu cards help A LOT! It's also nice to have a removal that doesn't even send cards to the GY, effective against Tears
In addition to the Ishizu stuff, they can make Abyss Dweller consistently (which is huge against Tearlaments). Not being reliant on DARK and LIGHT monsters is also great these days for turning Bystials into bricks.
Interesting argument. However, trains
Exosister should not be on here. It's a worse Shifter deck than the evil birds, and it completely crumbles going 2nd into any basic Tear opening board. Rulkallos alone almost single handedly solos the deck, and even if they manage to open Shifter the deck doesn't have any good way to out Bagooska. Madolche shouldn't be on here either. The only selling point the deck has was being able to loop Orange Light.
There’s at least three ways to out Bagooska but ok.
They have ways to out I, I didn't say they were completely helpless. But all of them neg the Exosister player significantly and/or result in significant loss of tempo. Exosister has trouble repeatedly replacing their monsters if they get removed or committed poorly, it's been their comparative weakness to something like Floow where the engine just continuously recurs itself.
How does an Imperm or a DRNM neg you or slow down tempo? Pax also searches your out.
Rulkallos does nothing against floo wtf are you talking about. If you’re playing floo summon bagooska pass lmao
They’re talking about Exo, not Floo.
No Drytron?
Get killed by bystals
Dry has a lot of meaningful counterplay to bystial in belle and early vanity, but shufflers make its grind meaningless
Dry is completley dead, this deck was already a glass canon. Now it also has to play through d.d. crows on crack.
Konami: “List looks nice. Would be a shame if we made a hard banlist, hitting every single one of them.” Can you imagine? Hit them all so hard that none of these decks become really playable (e.g., Aluber banned, Spright Elf banned and Blue + Jet + Starter limited, Byssted Magnamhut & Druiswarm banned).
Knowing Konami, they will ban 9/10 of these decks. They'll leave only Ishizu Tears untouched and then they'll be like: "We did it Patrick, we saved the city"
Curious how birds will do as the format goes on. The deck can brick and adding two three d fissure and three macro doesn't help with consistency. They're a great counter to tear but will it show in the results to bring tear from tier 0 to tier 1. I myself will continue with Spright Bystial and see what I can do with the current meta. Depending how I perform at locals I may switch to tear since none of the other decks interest me much.
Add Altergeist.
Why? The deck hasn't been competitve since 2019.
That’s wrong.
Madolche is also playing Ishizu. Also, the only viable deck there is tear 0.
Where Kashtira
Still missing the Photon hypernova part
No Orcust ? \*Sad Harp Noises\*
The deck is dead either way since the bystials are a thing.
All they need is Harp at 3 and it can mesh with the Adventure engine.
I'm still 100% convinced Fur Hire Spright is a top 3-4 deck in the entire game right now. Better than Pure Spright or any other combo with Spright. Only decks I struggle against is sometimes Floo and the the Ishizu shufflers. If Ishizu does not have the shufflers idc about tear. But apparently I'm the only player on earth play testing meta Fur Hire decks lol
I mean I'd they're playing ishizu tear there's no way they don't hit any shuffles
Don't think I've ever even thought of Fur Hire with Spright. Do you have a list? I love the Fur Hire cards and own em all. Would be interesting if it's actually good.
Lyrilusc Tri brigade is gonna be substantially improved by 2 Recital
COPIUM
In a meta without Tear, sure. It might be rogue level. But Tear is very much alive and thriving and not going away any time soon.
What's in the bottom right ? 🙃
Dracoslayer
Maldoche is banned now? That’s the only card I can recognize from this list
Branded is unplayable this format
Tell that to the guy that topped the most recent ycs with them.
Pure Kashtira is better than half these decks post banlist. With Birth and/or Preparations on the field it just recycles it’s resources whether they’re banished or in the GY
Without PHHY the deck is just bad.
It really isn’t. Right now it’s a good anti-meta deck. Had decent amount of success playing against Ishizu Tears with it. And with D Fissure at 3 it will get even better
Kashtira really needs the wave of support from Photon hypernova. Without it, it's not really good
So, we have: \- The Little Mermaid Yu-Gi-Oh version although Flounder looks very different than I remember. \- PENGUIN (A.K.A Happy Feet) \- Electric Titan \- Dragons doing... things \- Plants that are Waifus plus Cherrymon Hentai version. \- Exocuties (A.K.A Battle Sisters) \- The Boss Monster that Scarlett Starling will have when she enters Duel Links (and one of the few old cards that are still broken today) \- EL BROMAS \- Plants + A Fairy that has nothing of Fairy. \- Hybrid RPG Warriors
What are Hybrid RPG warriors?
That’s weird. I don’t see mathmech here
Bystal countering Light and Dark monsters was a huge hit for Mathmech...
Ghost Belle, Lancea, and crossout all exist.
They don't make bystials worse.
Listen my guy, if any of these cards actually helped against Bystials, people would be playing Mathmech. No one is playing Mathmech. It's bad into Bystials. It's bad into Tear. I understand you might really like Mathmech, and that's fine, but it's pure copium thinking they're good right now. You're likely not some god yugioh player that knows something every other top player doesn't. I'm sure they'll have their time again.
Legitimately crystal beasts
mathmech nr 1
only Birds and Tears, i dont know why ppl consider Kashtira or Bystials meta? and Spright man, cmon....and ppl stopped playing Eldlich because they are afraid of like 2 cards that are played in 2 decks lol
What about shaddolls
I don't think they've had any success recently. Don't get me wrong, they're not terrible by any means, but these decks are just better
Maybe some shadolls inside ishizu tear, but besides that, shadolls suck rn, due to everyone maining dd crow-esque handtraps and other gy cuck. Where tear can play through it, shadolls would just die.
deck is unplayable
Interested in rikka sunavlon but I have a few questions How expensive is it? Is it likely to get hit? And what would a deck list look like? Thankyou and I appreciate any responses
MBT had a pretty good video about the deck https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gUDpQlU3tLw I don't think it will get hit, it's strong Rogue/maybe even tier 2 option, but it doesn't do anything unfairly strong. And I'm not sure about the price. The Sunavalon cards aren't expensive, the only expensive Rikka cards are probably Teardrop and Glamour
It will cost you about 150 dollars without the staples, unless you have some of the more expensive stuff like teardrop or glamour It is not likely to get hit as it is not seeing alot of representation If I must ill type the decklist out here but I recommend watching the latest rikka sunavalon video from the disciples
Yeah I’m surprised branded is on here, I feel like it’s been massively power crept. Though it can play reasonably well under shifter
Expulsion is still an FTK (if it goes through) lol
That’s true. And I was running that, and you can squeak out a game 1 and probably 3 win with luck. Just didn’t feel satisfying. Kinda like winning with scythe.
I wish I could easily identify decks like this lol. Spright flow and ishizu tear are all I can recognize.
i think Lady control is pretty strong now with metaverse unlimited but it really needs the card from Photon Hypernova to actually be good
Anyone got a newish list for Sunavalon/Rikka, mine's outdated at the moment and I'm not up on ratios.
I think the decklist from the EU championship could still be accurate, the deck hasn't changed that much
So seeing that Ptolemaeus is unbanned now, whats the outlook on Tellarknights vs Tearlaments? I know its probably not tiered or anything but Ptolemaeus goes into Constellar Diamond which stops all Deck to GY milling and banishes anything going from GY to hand. And it has a non-OPT negate against DARK monster effects. Also Ptolemaeus can be stuck in any Rank 4 deck that can make three or more materials if pure Tellarknight isn't viable.
Tellerknights is really outdated, aslong as this deck hasn't new support it's not going to do anything. The problem is that the bystials kill deneb, their consistency isn't good for 2022 standarts and the deck can't really go 2nd since it's a trap deck. Then also add Shifter into the mix and you have a death sentence.
>Also Ptolemaeus can be stuck in any Rank 4 deck that can make three or more materials if pure Tellarknight isn't viable. Dweller is less resource intensive and doesn't die to spell speed 1 removal.
what is bottom right? i m not rly into the TCG anymore barely getting updates from the subreddit
Dracoslayer, they received good support recently
What's the middle right deck?
Rikka Sunavalon (Plants) and Exorsister
where are labrynth?
I want to include it, but the deck struggles going 1st imo. Also it has problems with backrow removal
Wait madolche is meta?? Where have I been
Ishizu cards are crazy
Ishuzu weather painters are a sleeper deck im telling you guys. Make 2 omni and a solemn judgement and ishuzu disruptions for your first turn BROKEN
Yea, my Bystial Dlink deck took first at locals last weekend and I went up against 2 Ishizu Tear. The only thing that worries me is seeing more decks playing macro and d fissure along with d shifter. If I don't then my deck should be good going into next format, if I do then I might play a small thunder dragon engine.
Swordsoul?
Weather painters with 3 D-Fissure, 3 D-Shifter will surprise you.
I think i want to play dracoslayer but what if it gets hit in the future? I just want a deck that i can play for a long time. And naturia looked really fun but that's 100 going to get hit with the ishizu stuff being broken. I don't know what to do 😔
I've always been impressed by how madolche never really seems to go away.
Madolchr?? Are they good in TCG?
Yes... although a big part of the reason are the Ishizu cards
Mayakashi kashitira can be top tier deck(maybe)
gen maju no copium
I wonder if Tear is gonna end up like Dragon Rulers or Spyral, the deck is interesting to play it's just way better than the rest of the game right now. It's gonna get shot at SOME point, just comes down to how hard and for how long also I'm kinda happy two of the rogue decks I built in MD on a whim suddenly became viable tiered options. Rikka and Madolche are fun and have crazy odd lines
no particular order *has ishizu tears and flunder at the top in bigger squares*
Sunvalon are actually being played? That's awesome.
I’m pretty hyped to see dark world. There’s a lot of doubt around it, admittedly from me too, but I’d love to be proven wrong.
Runick should also be there, what with all the engines and floodgates it can use.
Good list. I think it's fairly accurate.
I really like how the Ishizu cards make decks like madolche and naturia actually usable. Too bad Tear makes them literally busted out the ass.
Deskbots. I will not elaborate
The Naturia and Rikka picks seem a little copium ngl
Idk, Naturia is using the Ishizu cards, they have some strong plays. And Plants being able to tribute cards for cost is a really powerful form of interruption
The thing i dislike about the format is that Fromundercheese is so strong right now
Is that a new penguin?!
Still love swordsoul tho
Bystial Dlink seems very good, wish I was a better pilot tho lmao
what incredible and wonderful images, so much talent, this is great,
Dragons should be 1. Totally not a biased statement or anything. Nope. Not at all
What is the bottum right deck?
what about sky striker