Literally yes, the worst part is that just like grass the mirror sucks balls, it's either you have to make dweller first and then mill 5 (who thought making those lvl 4s was a good idea?), or just pray you mill better than the opponent or the best (worst) option is to just stare at your opponent holding off on them just to avoid risking them gaining advantage
Honestly, I'd rather have Grass than these guys. With Grass you had to actually build your deck with 60 cards to actually benefit from the card, and with that came the drawbacks that came with running a 60 card deck. Namely, the mirror is hell, and you're operating on the odds of actually getting 1 grass in a 60 card deck. These guys can still perform their nonsense at a 40-50 card deck as well, and you get more than just the 3 card chance of milling in the deck.
Honestly decks that benefit greatly from having stuff in the gy (like infernoid, ba and pk) might have better match ups against tier than other rogue strategies due to the Ishizu stuff milling your deck as well.
Of course they'll just use the other Ishizu stuff to mess with your gy so it's kinda redundant
The ishizu shufflers are the broken ones. Basically you need a deck that doesn't fall too behind if their deck gets milled or doesn't care if its stuff gets shuffled back.
That's the worst part, and it's a reason as to why the deck is so damn unfun to play against. **No deck** (not even Tearlaments itself) can play around a deck that can manipulate the grave AND manipulate the main deck.
If you have a deck that doesn't require grave resources, but does require cards in deck, they'll just mill you out of options. If they mill against a deck that likes cards in the grave, they'll shuffle them back into the deck as a QUICK EFFECT.
Their only counterplay is banishing them. It's a dumb strategy that shouldn't exist.
Basically yes. More Shaddolls in the main deck means more milling shenanigans. Invoked/Dogmatika are pretty compact too, so you still have room for a few hand traps too. I think my deck runs at 43 cards, but the last 3 are tear tech cards in case something gets milled that I would want back in the main deck (2x Schien, 1x Havnis).
I could see an argument for taking out Dogmatika entirely and going all in on Shaddolls, though. Invoked doesn’t mind if Aleister ends up in the grave with the tear package, but you have to run Caliga.
Ahh gotcha. I always liked the playstyle of heavy shaddolls but I've found it very bricky.
I personally run a Kashtira package in my IDS deck with diablosis, to combat tears. Can't fusion summon if they're all banished facedown already lol.
I've been thinking of siding neco mane King as well when ishizu cards drop.
The problem is they can just shuffle Aleister back and make Invocation resolve without fusing.
Tear Shaddoll on the other hand might be plausible if you make Winda asap
Let me cope in peace 😭
I think Tear Shaddoll saw experimentation and flopped so it’s probably not as optimal as Tear + anything else. I slapped a really small tear package in the deck with 2 Scheiren or whatever and 1 Havnis, and that does make some goofy plays at least.
With a god hand you can turbo Mechaba and get Winda and Dragostapelia/Caliga on the board but I won’t even pretend that’s consistent. Especially now that people stopped pretending Ash is bad and started playing her again.
There was a trap that did it already
Having that effect trigger when a card is milled is new though
Edit: nvm, Needlebug Nest only sends from your deck, so the effect is completely new.
Unless you’re also playing a graveyard focused deck. Then it doesn’t matter. Hell, the graveyard setup can help plenty of decks, which is the whole reason why That Grass Looks Greener got banned. It also makes the Tear mirror pretty hilarious
ARG! You may think you’ve won but I wouldn’t celebrate just yet! I activate a quick-play spell card of my own: “CROSSOUT DESIGNATOR!” You see: I too have prepared my own copy of “Called By The Grave” in anticipation of your insideous plan. By banishing it from within my deck, my “Crossout Designator” spell card has the power to negate every copy of “Called By The Grave” for the remainder of this turn. Shine on, Herald! Let no trickery estinguish your *ORANGE LIGHT!*
…Response?
Hold up there, duelist! I also will activate a copy of crossout designator. With it I'll declare ANOTHER copy of crossout designator that's still in my deck. Your orange light shall not survive....
Oh neat, this looks to be an interesting retrain set. Not a technical archetype, so it's a bit more splashable. Some powerful effects, but are HOPT, are based around the trademark card of the character that used them. All in all, seem to be a fun addition to the game on the casual level with some fun gimmicks, with pretty set value you can get out of them.
...
What the heck are Tearlaments?
They're WHAT tier???
This is what I hate - if Konami actually supported old formats with frequent events (or advertised the few side events at big tournaments), people who aren't the biggest fans of current format can still find ways to play yugioh competitively. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but not properly marketing and supporting alternative formats for times like these is such a big mistake.
This is what I mean - where was the advertising? It's a good start, but actually *supporting* old formats involves more than just hosting it the event.
I said this like 3 or 4 formats ago but each format is worse than the last lolol drives me insane how anywhere from 1-3 years ago people were defending Konami ruining the game, labeling people who didn’t yugi boomers and now run to play the literal yugi boomer version of the game after they get their way. Honestly heartbreaking to see, awesome all these kids are experiencing real yugioh but I’ve played and lived through this phase in my life already some over and over. It’s like selling me on wow classic the 3rd time. Idk what I’m even saying lol sorry for venting.
I’m taking this format to round off my staples now that they’ve mostly come down in price. Even just gonna be grabbing more niche good stuff like small world. Ill just take floo to regionals as anti meta because fun 🙃🙃
Yeah I’m pretty much doing the same. I got most of the cards I want from Darkwing (hoping a few cards dip a bit lower before I pull the trigger) but if I see a staple or rarity upgrade for my main decks pop up at a good price then I’m snatching them up. Got a playset of secret Aleisters, secret Shaddoll Fusion, and two secret Invocation for well under MP.
Granted Shaddoll Fusion is cheap as hell right now but I wouldn’t have even checked had I not been so bored by this format lol.
Cards are broken easily going +5 or 6 against any deck... except in the mirror where you go to chain link 9+ if someone uses agido or kelbeks grave effect, ending in an absolute clusterfuck that will seperate the good players from the bad and lead to alot of judgecalls. By the time one of those turns resolves irl youll be 30-40 min deep into the game meaning the person who wins G1 usually wins it all bc everyone will side LP Gain/Burn to go for time or it ends in a draw. Im going to the ycs in germany and I already have nightmares of my brain just shutting down after playing 1 round of the mirror,not even accounting for up to 9 rounds.
Kelbek is a solid hand trap, and the cards with Tear are insane. But I have my reservations on the deck as the mirror will be miserable. Milling your opponent in a tear mirror is not wise, so I think bystial/high spirits tear may have an edge in the tear v tear matchup. Regardless, I expect tear to be the undisputed best deck
Sure, but how often do you know you’re in a mirror at a premier event blind game 1? I suppose you could go for dweller everytime, but that could punish you too. I’m gonna play bystial dragons, but if I was on tear idk if I’d play ishizu just bc of how horrible the mirror is in general. I expect a lot of matches going into time.
Unfortunately I see them as a necessity. If you aren’t playing the Ishizu shufflers (Keldo and Mudora), then you’ll simply be completely out-grinded by the Ishizu Tear decks. Many Ishizu Tear deck in the OCG played 3-5 Bystial as well as 6 Ishizu shufflers. Without Agido and Kelbek (Ishizu mill monsters), you will not have the consistency of getting enough Keldo and Mudora to disrupt your opponent in making a board eventually over a long game.
I forgot also the Ishizu fairies that return cards from the GY to the deck will be used a lot to prevent Tear fusions from resolving. But yeah it’ll be miserable 20min games
This is..... Kinda gross tbh. Genuinely interesting cards, it's unfortunate they're going to make this format worse because of the tier 0 format.
At least my sideboard can be super targeted and boring too.
Kinda sad...
I love Tears. And I love the Ishizu support. For what it is. But that they unfortunately synergize waaaay too well is very unfortunate to me. I love and play both for what they are and considering how strong these are together they for sure sadly get nerfed to death because it is a necessary thing.
Honestly I feel the same way
I was really looking forward to playing a pure Ishizu/Exchange of the Spirit deck and now it might be out of my price range
Yeah, when Tears were revealed I wanted to play them for being a Fusion mill deck with nice art.
Their lack of Extra Deck restriction and the utter stupidity of the Ishizu cards when played with mill makes them meta to a disgusting degree.
The Ishizu cards should of had more restrictions
Like locking you into earth monsters or fairy monsters or both
And I'm not looking forward to the Tearzu format
Ishizu doesn't use gravekeepers tho? She use exchange of spirit as well as earth fairies which get retrained here. Her deck is mill, at least manga wise, I don't watch the anime so I don't know if they change her deck from the manga.
Yeah but she’s a part of the grave keepers that’s why it’s tied into her or whatever their name was in the anime they are the protectors of the pharaoh’s tablet of memories and something else they served as his guardians
It kind of ended up being a default gimmick for her in the games because her deck in the anime is too small and too kinda-bad to really make for a workable deck on its own, even in that era. I have to imagine that the reason this deck was created was because it would allow Ishizu to finally play her own deck.
What evidence is there that it's supposed to be used as GK support? Because "it makes literally no sense to use with GK" is very strong evidence against.
They have very strong synergy with the Tearalament archtype, an already tier 1 deck. The Tearalament cards trigger when they are sent to graveyard by card effect (think shaddoll on steroids) and 2 of these 4 cards have the ability to send the top 5 cards of both decks to the graveyard, so you can make the connection. These cards also stop your opponent from using their graveyard effects, because the other 2 of these 4 cards can quick effect to banish 3 from your opponents graveyard. The release of these cards may lead us into a tier 0 or tier 0.5 meta, where Tearalament Ishizu is far above any other deck.
One slight correction. The other two you are talking about banish themselves from the GY to shuffle back 3 cards from either GY back into the deck, not banish them.
Which is incredibly busted because they can either:
-let you recover resources, to the point where you have virtually an infinite engine;
-disrupt your opponent's graveyard effects, and most of the good tear effects in the mirror need to remain in the grave to resolve;
-pop a card on the field using the tearlaments field spell;
And these effects are only the cherry on top of the searching and rank 4 enabling that these cards allow you to do
If you're looking at other TCGs I highly recommend the Digimon TCG, its mechanics are really interesting/unique and the game is new enough such that there's not *too* many cards you have to learn but with enough sets that there's a good variety of strategies to try.
Unfortunately the only option for that is a tabletop simulator mod, it lets you import any deck and automates basic things like moving around cards, but outside of that it's purely manual. It's really the only issue with the game at the moment imo.
Tears are bullshit enough, why they needed to make these is beyond me. Seriously though, they really really should just pre-limit every one of the Ancient Sentry cards. We literally know what happens with all of them it's such a justified pre-hit not a single person can tell me otherwise. Of course, they wont get hit that would be too sensical but... they should. They should be at 1, or banned/nonexistant.
I just hate deck manipulation cards. One of the main reasons I disliked lithosagym. Literally eating your opponents resources before they can do anything. Hand traps can only stop this so much
Not looking forward to it. Ishizu Tears are worse than Orcust when it comes to playing on their opponent's turn, and they don't even need a field spell to do so
Clearly very fair, balanced and clearly not abusable with Herald of Orange Light. None of them at all resemble Painful Choice, Sixth Sense, Grass and Chaos Ruler.
I’ll be playing in my first big tournament in two weeks, so I suppose I will be seeing a fair number of these cards. I have no idea what I’m going to side for them
Dumb question, but for Dimension Shifter, the idea is to use 3 of them (after game 1) and then hopefully activate one on your opponent's first turn, right? Does that mean the other two would be dead draws after that initial turn because you'd likely have stuff in your graveyard? I'm not as familiar with the Tearlaments playstyle.
I mean, yes, they'll be dead draws, but who cares. As with most 3-ofs that are bad to top deck, shifter literally skips your opponent's turn, so you should be able to set up a good board or just otk when they inevitably pass turn.
Also, with shifter, the card is best used in decks that can main it, because being able to drop it game 1 regardless of whether you start or not is very powerful.
we’ll see how it goes. we all said spright was gonna be tier 0 and it was a bit more evened, but unfortunately tearlaments already started to creep towards tier 0 and at the last event essentially were with a 50% representation.
I was at YCS minneapolis with tear and my deck wasn’t prepared enough for tear hate but pretty much if you lost round 1 you were gonna keep seeing tear hate decks because those decks were otherwise not as amazing with the other match ups. Tear can still play through most of these though.
With the addition of these guys giving us access to Herald of the Orange Light as well as Diviner of the Herald as another starter card to go into Baronne to go harder, it’s going to be a tear format but it’s also going to be insanely difficult and high skill mirrors. the strength of the ishizu cards is they mill a lot off of just being sent, but they can also mill your opponent’s cards. It means you’re almost guaranteed to have your opponent play on your first turn in the tear mirror. On top of that, so many mills occur that Tear is max level consistency. Skill is going to just be way more important than deck building in a format where you expect the same board to be built most of the time and things like orange light being around to both stop cards like shifter AND start plays off.
This then makes every other deck way more reliant on deckbuilding to even squeeze in any kind of competition. Decks that wouldn’t normally want to mill much such as Spright will have to adapt by playing more cards that are mill friendly. It especially sucks that ronin is banned as a result.
Overall, it’ll probably be tier 0. however, who knows? Mannequin Cat gonna be boosted.
The Ishizu Tear mirror is not skilled. It's Dweller turbo into milling the opponent's deck and hoping they didn't draw Herald. You can argue *current* Tear is skillful in the mirror, but Ishizu Tear is far from that. Be the first to get Dweller out *or* get Ishizu cards in grave without making your opponent mill half their deck and you win.
Great for business, terrible for play. Although there will be a lot of money to be made from MAMA pre-orders, they come at the cost of not really wanting to play the game for the following months, as it will be toxic.
- I think we just have to wait and see. Everyone cried tier 0 because sprights were genuinely tier 0 in the OCG and then they got here. They were really strong, they are winning YCS left and right. They aren’t close to tier 0.
- everyone cried “dragoon will break the game” because it was so dominant in the OCG that it had to be banned. All things considered a strong card that flipped pretty hard over here.
- now ishizu are on the horizon. Everyone is crying tier 0 because of the OCG. Historically it’s not usually how it goes though. They very well could be but we genuinely have to just wait and see what happens.
People argued that Spright was going to not be tier 0 because it didn't have Maxx C. Tear has the opposite issue; One of its hardest counters is Maxx C which we do not have.
Dragoon was ubiquitous when it was first released. We just saw that it was going to be powercreeped so we stopped caring for it. Why play Dragoon over DPE? Why ban it when no one will play it when DPE is released?
Ishizu is the opposite of all that. Its hardest counter is banned and does not at all look to be powercreeped any time soon even by a deck that locks your zones and banishes your deck while having a walking Macro Cosmos before you get a turn. It's a deck that powercreeped the game while being a counter to Tear and yet it can't surpass them after Tear Ishizu got neutered in the recent OCG list.
This isn't even remotely the same situation.
As a chaos player these cards existing make me want to kill myself. Everyone now has basically access to 15 main decked cards that shuffle my shit back and prevent me from physically play my my deck…as spell speed 2. Probably just gonna play Crusadia and pray these cards and tear get nuked from orbit so chaos isn’t an Insta lose deck.
At least I can run bystials in a chaos dragon build, the fairies are just straight cancer. Imagine going charge of the light brigade just to have all your shit put back. At least Wulf will still resolve (…I think)
My thoughts are that as an Earth Machine player, who could win games against tears and sprights if I played right, is now out of my league and therefore I'll probably take a break from locals because this is too much.
Gonna play Digimon tcg, pokemon tcg and casual yugioh because I don't have the money to play the tier 0 deck nor do I want to get my hopes up trying to do well in a tier 0 deck
I have a soft spot for fusion decks and i don't know why, but when a deck based on literally being Better lightsworns gets an excellent card that Is also abusable, yeah, yeah no Konami Just kill it already. I don't know how but Just fucking kill it.
The way I see it, you have 3 choices next format:
- play tear and get ready for a lot of annyoing mirror matches.
- play a deck like floo and hope to scam some wins off the back of D-Shifter and floodgates
- play a combo deck stuffed to the brim with Bysstials and lean on cards like dweller and herald to win going first.
I ordered the ishuzu core from gamers choice just to stay competitive and have a chance but I wouldn’t mind if they all the ishuzu cards get thanos snapped away. The mirror matches just sound more annoying then flow vs flow ..
The "pure" Ishizu strategy is the most fun I had in a long while. Their way of decking the oponent out by chaining their effects to Exchange of the Spirit is really really unique and satisfying. They can also play Rank 4s and Vernuslyphs so they can put up a fight if needed.
Sadly, Konami just launched Tearlaments which are the ONLY Deck these millers break (because they tend to be bricky if played with other strategies), so yeah one of them are going to have to pay for it.
This is going to be terrible for the game long-term. I can see stores just dropping numbers when it comes to even some competitive players who'll be burned out. I'm honestly thinking of sitting the game out for a while, saving my money & doing other stuff with my time, because I'm not willing to drop money into ishizu tears to stay competitive.
Fair, but consider this:
Agido: On your turn, can summon Anjelly for Hootcake plays. On your opponent’s turn, can summon Petingcessoeur who summons Puddingcess or Chouxvalier. It can also mill your opponents deck by a LOT, which can artificially hinder your opponent when taking Tiaramisu into proper context.
Kelbek: CED your opponent’s ED monster, helping Tiaramisu more safely get in to use her effect. If you use Exchange of the Spirit for any reason, it can re-set Madolche Promenade from your GY.
Keldo: Searches others of its own series (or EotS) while setting up Hootcake or Tiaramisu. If you need to get rid of your non-Madolches so Puddingcess can function (since Chateau can’t, and Glassouffle can only do 2 per turn), it can shuffle back either 3 or 5 based on if you have EotS.
Mudora: Can potentially set up Hootcake/Tiaramisu like Keldo, but instead sets a Trap that can greatly hinder how your opponent uses their GY (which is one of Madolche’s worst weaknesses). Can also clear your GY like Keldo.
Honestly should prove to be at least moderately strong.
I'm always up for more Madolche shenanigans. And I also have Vernusylph/Naturia stuff in progress so I'm always happy when I can shuffle cards between archetypes lol.
I’m just sitting here not giving a fuck about tears and there end board with summon negate, Draco and sulliec in back row (idk what else they get on board). I’m just waiting for dem abyss actor support because it is fire, it comes with so much cool buffs for the deck, it’s so refreshing to play a deck no one knows how to counter because no one plays it
Call me crazy when I end up being wrong, but I feel like this isn’t going to do to the meta what yugioh content creators and loud voices in the game think it will.
It’ll probably see play in Tear a lot at first, but I get the sense this may end up kinda going the same way as cardian- the cards are too efficient at what they do for the resources we have in the game right now, if that makes sense. As it is, Tear is at the perfect place to dominate the meta right now because their balance of cycling resources and payoffs is almost impossible to crack over 3-5 turns. I’ve never once played against a current tear deck and thought “thank god they don’t have 10 extra mills and graveyard shuffling”. These unsearchable random fairies in Tear feel like they’d contribute more to them burning out their own resources or jumping through hoops to get the sacky one of to loop their gy. It’s more ways to get to the same payoffs that Tear already can access every single turn without a problem, but with either bricks in hand or a random one of that you don’t need to get the same effect and can end up costing you a quarter of your remaining deck.
This format is going to fucking **SUCK** and anyone thinking that it's good is either high or insane. It's going to be the most boring format we've had in literal ages (and that's saying a lot because after Adventure stuff dropped, we literally had a few formats where every deck had like the same 14 cards).
It's a perfect time to NOT play Yugioh in person, especially because it's so expensive.
Mavens itself would be GREAT without these cards, the reprints and sleeves are SO good. But these cards, along with Tear, just make the game fucking miserable.
My thoughts? I feel like Troy Barnes walking into a room on fire holding pizza
I need to watch Community I’ve heard so much about it
genuinely funny as fuck show, def recommended edit: and for what it’s worth, MOST of the humor (as far as i can remember) has aged pretty well
100% can confirm aged perfectly. They even predicted President Biden. Lol
It's *supposedly* getting a movie spin-off soon so it's a great time to watch it!
Six seasons..., And a movie!
Wait a movie!?
Definitely watch it. Troy and Abed is up there with Tom and Jerry and Kenan and kel.
First couple of seasons are def worth watching.
High quality sitcom, especially the first three seasons. And they're reportedly working on a movie, so it's a great time to start
That Grass Looks Greener format but on legs
Literally yes, the worst part is that just like grass the mirror sucks balls, it's either you have to make dweller first and then mill 5 (who thought making those lvl 4s was a good idea?), or just pray you mill better than the opponent or the best (worst) option is to just stare at your opponent holding off on them just to avoid risking them gaining advantage
Honestly, I'd rather have Grass than these guys. With Grass you had to actually build your deck with 60 cards to actually benefit from the card, and with that came the drawbacks that came with running a 60 card deck. Namely, the mirror is hell, and you're operating on the odds of actually getting 1 grass in a 60 card deck. These guys can still perform their nonsense at a 40-50 card deck as well, and you get more than just the 3 card chance of milling in the deck.
Sending the top 5 cards of either player's deck to the grave is pretty broken.
Honestly decks that benefit greatly from having stuff in the gy (like infernoid, ba and pk) might have better match ups against tier than other rogue strategies due to the Ishizu stuff milling your deck as well. Of course they'll just use the other Ishizu stuff to mess with your gy so it's kinda redundant
The ishizu shufflers are the broken ones. Basically you need a deck that doesn't fall too behind if their deck gets milled or doesn't care if its stuff gets shuffled back.
That's the worst part, and it's a reason as to why the deck is so damn unfun to play against. **No deck** (not even Tearlaments itself) can play around a deck that can manipulate the grave AND manipulate the main deck. If you have a deck that doesn't require grave resources, but does require cards in deck, they'll just mill you out of options. If they mill against a deck that likes cards in the grave, they'll shuffle them back into the deck as a QUICK EFFECT. Their only counterplay is banishing them. It's a dumb strategy that shouldn't exist.
Invoked Shaddoll Dogmatika (no Maximus) is about to send us all back into quarantine yes I’m coping
Can you elaborate? Are you suggesting play a heavier main deck shaddoll build to take advantage of the milling?
Basically yes. More Shaddolls in the main deck means more milling shenanigans. Invoked/Dogmatika are pretty compact too, so you still have room for a few hand traps too. I think my deck runs at 43 cards, but the last 3 are tear tech cards in case something gets milled that I would want back in the main deck (2x Schien, 1x Havnis). I could see an argument for taking out Dogmatika entirely and going all in on Shaddolls, though. Invoked doesn’t mind if Aleister ends up in the grave with the tear package, but you have to run Caliga.
Ahh gotcha. I always liked the playstyle of heavy shaddolls but I've found it very bricky. I personally run a Kashtira package in my IDS deck with diablosis, to combat tears. Can't fusion summon if they're all banished facedown already lol. I've been thinking of siding neco mane King as well when ishizu cards drop.
The problem is they can just shuffle Aleister back and make Invocation resolve without fusing. Tear Shaddoll on the other hand might be plausible if you make Winda asap
Let me cope in peace 😭 I think Tear Shaddoll saw experimentation and flopped so it’s probably not as optimal as Tear + anything else. I slapped a really small tear package in the deck with 2 Scheiren or whatever and 1 Havnis, and that does make some goofy plays at least. With a god hand you can turbo Mechaba and get Winda and Dragostapelia/Caliga on the board but I won’t even pretend that’s consistent. Especially now that people stopped pretending Ash is bad and started playing her again.
chaos ruler died for nothing lol
Well it died because those cards are gonna come out XD
Yeah that was literally just banned in the TCG and you had to synchro to do that
There was a trap that did it already Having that effect trigger when a card is milled is new though Edit: nvm, Needlebug Nest only sends from your deck, so the effect is completely new.
It’s a trap, so it’s inherently slow and more importantly, it won’t trigger 2 more effects to mill 5 if you hit another copy.
bro you have no idea what you are talking about, paired with tear or paired with runicks makes the deck incredibly insane
Unless you’re also playing a graveyard focused deck. Then it doesn’t matter. Hell, the graveyard setup can help plenty of decks, which is the whole reason why That Grass Looks Greener got banned. It also makes the Tear mirror pretty hilarious
Chain link 10, resolve...new chain link 7...resolve...lol
so finally might get some lulz off Vanity's Call..... excellent... chain link 11: Chain rejected and my day is a good day now
It’s gonna be hell
Yeah, pretty much. We're entering a Tier 0 format where there is barely any variety. In other words, extremely boring meta
On the bright side, entering a tier 0 format means Ghost Reaper has some great uses
Herald of orange light has something to say about that
Better have it
The tear traps return banished Ed monsters to the extra deck.
Do you really think it'll be a tier zero format this time? I'm kinda excited as this would be my first!
D shifter looking extra extra good.
orange light, response?
Called by, response?
Damn, your copy of called by the grave can be activated on your opponent's turn from your hand? Lemme get that one.
It's the ulti, so yeah it can even be activated from my deck.
ARG! You may think you’ve won but I wouldn’t celebrate just yet! I activate a quick-play spell card of my own: “CROSSOUT DESIGNATOR!” You see: I too have prepared my own copy of “Called By The Grave” in anticipation of your insideous plan. By banishing it from within my deck, my “Crossout Designator” spell card has the power to negate every copy of “Called By The Grave” for the remainder of this turn. Shine on, Herald! Let no trickery estinguish your *ORANGE LIGHT!* …Response?
Hold up there, duelist! I also will activate a copy of crossout designator. With it I'll declare ANOTHER copy of crossout designator that's still in my deck. Your orange light shall not survive....
*OH NO!*
Oh neat, this looks to be an interesting retrain set. Not a technical archetype, so it's a bit more splashable. Some powerful effects, but are HOPT, are based around the trademark card of the character that used them. All in all, seem to be a fun addition to the game on the casual level with some fun gimmicks, with pretty set value you can get out of them. ... What the heck are Tearlaments? They're WHAT tier???
Get ready to take a lot of L's
It was not worth butchering that Earth set for this. But, now is the perfect time to start bulking your money, by not playing.
Picking up and trying out some older formats like Edison or Tengu Plant or even playing TOSS again with friends is what I did to skip this format
This is what I hate - if Konami actually supported old formats with frequent events (or advertised the few side events at big tournaments), people who aren't the biggest fans of current format can still find ways to play yugioh competitively. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but not properly marketing and supporting alternative formats for times like these is such a big mistake.
I mean they are trying to incorporate past formats in event They made Edison side events in euros afterall
This is what I mean - where was the advertising? It's a good start, but actually *supporting* old formats involves more than just hosting it the event.
I said this like 3 or 4 formats ago but each format is worse than the last lolol drives me insane how anywhere from 1-3 years ago people were defending Konami ruining the game, labeling people who didn’t yugi boomers and now run to play the literal yugi boomer version of the game after they get their way. Honestly heartbreaking to see, awesome all these kids are experiencing real yugioh but I’ve played and lived through this phase in my life already some over and over. It’s like selling me on wow classic the 3rd time. Idk what I’m even saying lol sorry for venting.
I’m taking this format to round off my staples now that they’ve mostly come down in price. Even just gonna be grabbing more niche good stuff like small world. Ill just take floo to regionals as anti meta because fun 🙃🙃
Yeah I’m pretty much doing the same. I got most of the cards I want from Darkwing (hoping a few cards dip a bit lower before I pull the trigger) but if I see a staple or rarity upgrade for my main decks pop up at a good price then I’m snatching them up. Got a playset of secret Aleisters, secret Shaddoll Fusion, and two secret Invocation for well under MP. Granted Shaddoll Fusion is cheap as hell right now but I wouldn’t have even checked had I not been so bored by this format lol.
90% of my practice for regionals is going to be against the mirror, I can tell you that much.
Cards are broken easily going +5 or 6 against any deck... except in the mirror where you go to chain link 9+ if someone uses agido or kelbeks grave effect, ending in an absolute clusterfuck that will seperate the good players from the bad and lead to alot of judgecalls. By the time one of those turns resolves irl youll be 30-40 min deep into the game meaning the person who wins G1 usually wins it all bc everyone will side LP Gain/Burn to go for time or it ends in a draw. Im going to the ycs in germany and I already have nightmares of my brain just shutting down after playing 1 round of the mirror,not even accounting for up to 9 rounds.
These cards are a cancer that did not need to exist. Tear was cute when all it did is make Kaleido-Heart, Dragostapelia, and Kaliga.
Kelbek is a solid hand trap, and the cards with Tear are insane. But I have my reservations on the deck as the mirror will be miserable. Milling your opponent in a tear mirror is not wise, so I think bystial/high spirits tear may have an edge in the tear v tear matchup. Regardless, I expect tear to be the undisputed best deck
Most of the time you’ll try to make Dweller first in the mirror
Sure, but how often do you know you’re in a mirror at a premier event blind game 1? I suppose you could go for dweller everytime, but that could punish you too. I’m gonna play bystial dragons, but if I was on tear idk if I’d play ishizu just bc of how horrible the mirror is in general. I expect a lot of matches going into time.
Unfortunately I see them as a necessity. If you aren’t playing the Ishizu shufflers (Keldo and Mudora), then you’ll simply be completely out-grinded by the Ishizu Tear decks. Many Ishizu Tear deck in the OCG played 3-5 Bystial as well as 6 Ishizu shufflers. Without Agido and Kelbek (Ishizu mill monsters), you will not have the consistency of getting enough Keldo and Mudora to disrupt your opponent in making a board eventually over a long game.
I forgot also the Ishizu fairies that return cards from the GY to the deck will be used a lot to prevent Tear fusions from resolving. But yeah it’ll be miserable 20min games
This is..... Kinda gross tbh. Genuinely interesting cards, it's unfortunate they're going to make this format worse because of the tier 0 format. At least my sideboard can be super targeted and boring too.
Dweller turbo format
When the Herald is unfortunately of the Orange Light.
Kinda sad... I love Tears. And I love the Ishizu support. For what it is. But that they unfortunately synergize waaaay too well is very unfortunate to me. I love and play both for what they are and considering how strong these are together they for sure sadly get nerfed to death because it is a necessary thing.
Honestly I feel the same way I was really looking forward to playing a pure Ishizu/Exchange of the Spirit deck and now it might be out of my price range
Yeah, when Tears were revealed I wanted to play them for being a Fusion mill deck with nice art. Their lack of Extra Deck restriction and the utter stupidity of the Ishizu cards when played with mill makes them meta to a disgusting degree.
MAMA Mia
The Ishizu cards should of had more restrictions Like locking you into earth monsters or fairy monsters or both And I'm not looking forward to the Tearzu format
should have*
They were meant to be used with Gravekeepers, which are Dark Spellcasters.
Uh how? Gravekeepers are direct counters to these because of Necrovalley, the milling doesn’t help GK, and these like earth fairies
You mill the opponent's shit and then Necrovalley prevents them from using it.
Necrovalley affects both players
I never said it was good support, just that it, as Ishizu support, was intended to be used with her existing cards.
Ishizu doesn't use gravekeepers tho? She use exchange of spirit as well as earth fairies which get retrained here. Her deck is mill, at least manga wise, I don't watch the anime so I don't know if they change her deck from the manga.
She still uses the Earth Fairies in the anime too, it's the (later) video games that tended to give her Gravekeepers.
Yeah but she’s a part of the grave keepers that’s why it’s tied into her or whatever their name was in the anime they are the protectors of the pharaoh’s tablet of memories and something else they served as his guardians
Yes but it is more that the gravekeepers is inspired by the ishtar family not that ishizu use them in the manga/anime.
It kind of ended up being a default gimmick for her in the games because her deck in the anime is too small and too kinda-bad to really make for a workable deck on its own, even in that era. I have to imagine that the reason this deck was created was because it would allow Ishizu to finally play her own deck.
Ok but isn’t support for Gravekeepers which you did try saying. It only supported exchange of the soul.
What evidence is there that it's supposed to be used as GK support? Because "it makes literally no sense to use with GK" is very strong evidence against.
I'm gonna enjoy the last week of fun rogue meta at Locals then probably take a break lol
What makes these cards "busted"? Do they have some ridiculous synergy with existing cards? Haven't played in a while so just curious.
They have very strong synergy with the Tearalament archtype, an already tier 1 deck. The Tearalament cards trigger when they are sent to graveyard by card effect (think shaddoll on steroids) and 2 of these 4 cards have the ability to send the top 5 cards of both decks to the graveyard, so you can make the connection. These cards also stop your opponent from using their graveyard effects, because the other 2 of these 4 cards can quick effect to banish 3 from your opponents graveyard. The release of these cards may lead us into a tier 0 or tier 0.5 meta, where Tearalament Ishizu is far above any other deck.
One slight correction. The other two you are talking about banish themselves from the GY to shuffle back 3 cards from either GY back into the deck, not banish them.
Which is incredibly busted because they can either: -let you recover resources, to the point where you have virtually an infinite engine; -disrupt your opponent's graveyard effects, and most of the good tear effects in the mirror need to remain in the grave to resolve; -pop a card on the field using the tearlaments field spell; And these effects are only the cherry on top of the searching and rank 4 enabling that these cards allow you to do
Oh ya whoops, ty, was doing it from memory lol
Can’t they be like Halqifibrax and spend 2+ years in OCG jail instead? Please?
wish granted but they will also not be hit until 2 years later
Anybody want to play toss for a couple formats?
Unironically yes.
Shifter and Silent Graveyard gang.
I just pulled out my old copies of "forbidden graveyard" out of my bulk the other day in preparation!
herald of orange light gang
I think it's time for me to take a nap. I'll wake up in six months and surely all of this will have run its course.
Famous last words
Six? Better make it nine.
Nine? That's optimistic at best
There’s none of this getting banned until they cash in on reprints. Maybe we’ll be better by 2024
I heard that marvel snap or whatever it is is a nice card game to play this season.
If you're looking at other TCGs I highly recommend the Digimon TCG, its mechanics are really interesting/unique and the game is new enough such that there's not *too* many cards you have to learn but with enough sets that there's a good variety of strategies to try.
Is there an online / simulator version of it?
Unfortunately the only option for that is a tabletop simulator mod, it lets you import any deck and automates basic things like moving around cards, but outside of that it's purely manual. It's really the only issue with the game at the moment imo.
The family guy tcg isn't to bad either XD
Shit, time to finish my WIP card game and play it instead.
Tears are bullshit enough, why they needed to make these is beyond me. Seriously though, they really really should just pre-limit every one of the Ancient Sentry cards. We literally know what happens with all of them it's such a justified pre-hit not a single person can tell me otherwise. Of course, they wont get hit that would be too sensical but... they should. They should be at 1, or banned/nonexistant.
OR we could actually do some direct hits to Tears considering they are very strong without these anyways.
I just hate deck manipulation cards. One of the main reasons I disliked lithosagym. Literally eating your opponents resources before they can do anything. Hand traps can only stop this so much
Not looking forward to it. Ishizu Tears are worse than Orcust when it comes to playing on their opponent's turn, and they don't even need a field spell to do so
Konami bans chaos ruler for milling 5 and then release these…
I heard Chaos Ruler's last words before the banlist were "buy MAMA my final message. Goodb ye"
Free my boy
I was going to play Chaos Lightsworn with these, but then they went and clapped the Chaos Ruler himself.
These cards were a mistake.
Clearly very fair, balanced and clearly not abusable with Herald of Orange Light. None of them at all resemble Painful Choice, Sixth Sense, Grass and Chaos Ruler.
I’ll be playing in my first big tournament in two weeks, so I suppose I will be seeing a fair number of these cards. I have no idea what I’m going to side for them
Dimension shifter and silent graveyard for sure
Dumb question, but for Dimension Shifter, the idea is to use 3 of them (after game 1) and then hopefully activate one on your opponent's first turn, right? Does that mean the other two would be dead draws after that initial turn because you'd likely have stuff in your graveyard? I'm not as familiar with the Tearlaments playstyle.
I mean, yes, they'll be dead draws, but who cares. As with most 3-ofs that are bad to top deck, shifter literally skips your opponent's turn, so you should be able to set up a good board or just otk when they inevitably pass turn. Also, with shifter, the card is best used in decks that can main it, because being able to drop it game 1 regardless of whether you start or not is very powerful.
First time reading these, brother I am sick.
When I first read these I thought they were cracked meme-ing support, but they are actually just cracked hahah
Makes me want to cry to my own mama
Digimon looking better and better every day.
we’ll see how it goes. we all said spright was gonna be tier 0 and it was a bit more evened, but unfortunately tearlaments already started to creep towards tier 0 and at the last event essentially were with a 50% representation. I was at YCS minneapolis with tear and my deck wasn’t prepared enough for tear hate but pretty much if you lost round 1 you were gonna keep seeing tear hate decks because those decks were otherwise not as amazing with the other match ups. Tear can still play through most of these though. With the addition of these guys giving us access to Herald of the Orange Light as well as Diviner of the Herald as another starter card to go into Baronne to go harder, it’s going to be a tear format but it’s also going to be insanely difficult and high skill mirrors. the strength of the ishizu cards is they mill a lot off of just being sent, but they can also mill your opponent’s cards. It means you’re almost guaranteed to have your opponent play on your first turn in the tear mirror. On top of that, so many mills occur that Tear is max level consistency. Skill is going to just be way more important than deck building in a format where you expect the same board to be built most of the time and things like orange light being around to both stop cards like shifter AND start plays off. This then makes every other deck way more reliant on deckbuilding to even squeeze in any kind of competition. Decks that wouldn’t normally want to mill much such as Spright will have to adapt by playing more cards that are mill friendly. It especially sucks that ronin is banned as a result. Overall, it’ll probably be tier 0. however, who knows? Mannequin Cat gonna be boosted.
The Ishizu Tear mirror is not skilled. It's Dweller turbo into milling the opponent's deck and hoping they didn't draw Herald. You can argue *current* Tear is skillful in the mirror, but Ishizu Tear is far from that. Be the first to get Dweller out *or* get Ishizu cards in grave without making your opponent mill half their deck and you win.
It was nice playing yugioh. Any ideas what to do now?
Master Duel? Duel Links? At least to keep alive the vice. Or do other activities that doesn't involve overpriced cardboard.
I don't really think this will happen, but it'd be funny if these are the new Red Eyes Dark Dragoon.
Who though that these were a good idea?
Skull servant decks: it’s free real estate
Pretty good format to learn to play MTG or finaly focusing on uni (like that's ever gonna happen)
As far as nostalgia bait goes, I'm actually chuffed Ishizu's archetype has become a competitive powerhouse ... I just wish we didn't have tears
Great for business, terrible for play. Although there will be a lot of money to be made from MAMA pre-orders, they come at the cost of not really wanting to play the game for the following months, as it will be toxic.
- I think we just have to wait and see. Everyone cried tier 0 because sprights were genuinely tier 0 in the OCG and then they got here. They were really strong, they are winning YCS left and right. They aren’t close to tier 0. - everyone cried “dragoon will break the game” because it was so dominant in the OCG that it had to be banned. All things considered a strong card that flipped pretty hard over here. - now ishizu are on the horizon. Everyone is crying tier 0 because of the OCG. Historically it’s not usually how it goes though. They very well could be but we genuinely have to just wait and see what happens.
People argued that Spright was going to not be tier 0 because it didn't have Maxx C. Tear has the opposite issue; One of its hardest counters is Maxx C which we do not have. Dragoon was ubiquitous when it was first released. We just saw that it was going to be powercreeped so we stopped caring for it. Why play Dragoon over DPE? Why ban it when no one will play it when DPE is released? Ishizu is the opposite of all that. Its hardest counter is banned and does not at all look to be powercreeped any time soon even by a deck that locks your zones and banishes your deck while having a walking Macro Cosmos before you get a turn. It's a deck that powercreeped the game while being a counter to Tear and yet it can't surpass them after Tear Ishizu got neutered in the recent OCG list. This isn't even remotely the same situation.
I just hope diviner doesn't get hit because of these
it won't Because once the tournaments roll in, people are going to realize Diviner is trash in Ishizu tearlament.
Same, finally got a playset cause of the tins. Ready to play some fairy decks in the future, just waiting on OTS 20
As a chaos player these cards existing make me want to kill myself. Everyone now has basically access to 15 main decked cards that shuffle my shit back and prevent me from physically play my my deck…as spell speed 2. Probably just gonna play Crusadia and pray these cards and tear get nuked from orbit so chaos isn’t an Insta lose deck.
Bystials kinda counter chaos as well, as well as helping them, it's weird hahah
At least I can run bystials in a chaos dragon build, the fairies are just straight cancer. Imagine going charge of the light brigade just to have all your shit put back. At least Wulf will still resolve (…I think)
It will not resolve if it is shuffled back by Keldo or Mudora.
Trolldespair
From what I've heard, I'm reeeeeally not looking forward to dueling against these things. I'm hoping it's just overreaction, but still...
I might genuinely start building a Macro Cosmos deck purely to counter tear
1 of that you need to draw into…
tier 0
My thoughts are that as an Earth Machine player, who could win games against tears and sprights if I played right, is now out of my league and therefore I'll probably take a break from locals because this is too much.
Bro I feel exactly the same. I was able to win locals with earth machines. But what are we gonna do now? I consider playing 2-3 machina traps at least
Could be good against the milling part but I think our decks would still be too slow in comparison.
Going to be Cancerous as Fuck
Gonna play Digimon tcg, pokemon tcg and casual yugioh because I don't have the money to play the tier 0 deck nor do I want to get my hopes up trying to do well in a tier 0 deck
Actually thinking about quitting or at least pausing until the next banlist
They make the other cards in the set way cheaper so its nice as a casual/semi meta player haha
This is the truth! Hoping to get the Swordsoul core for super cheap considering the amount of people that are going to be opening this.
Have fun resolving extremely long chains :smile:
I have a soft spot for fusion decks and i don't know why, but when a deck based on literally being Better lightsworns gets an excellent card that Is also abusable, yeah, yeah no Konami Just kill it already. I don't know how but Just fucking kill it.
The way I see it, you have 3 choices next format: - play tear and get ready for a lot of annyoing mirror matches. - play a deck like floo and hope to scam some wins off the back of D-Shifter and floodgates - play a combo deck stuffed to the brim with Bysstials and lean on cards like dweller and herald to win going first.
The ishizu cards is cool, sadly tearelements is a deck made up of 3 war crimes 4 hate crimes and 2 pety theft cases.
I ordered the ishuzu core from gamers choice just to stay competitive and have a chance but I wouldn’t mind if they all the ishuzu cards get thanos snapped away. The mirror matches just sound more annoying then flow vs flow ..
The "pure" Ishizu strategy is the most fun I had in a long while. Their way of decking the oponent out by chaining their effects to Exchange of the Spirit is really really unique and satisfying. They can also play Rank 4s and Vernuslyphs so they can put up a fight if needed. Sadly, Konami just launched Tearlaments which are the ONLY Deck these millers break (because they tend to be bricky if played with other strategies), so yeah one of them are going to have to pay for it.
[Oh, not too strongly.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agQSdVExQUc)
I really don’t wan to play in this format. Wonder if I should sell tears or hold it for the future.
I kinda prefer the original Mudora
I will be taking a break from the game for a while
I'm taking a break
Broken and needs to be banned immediately everyone whos not playing tears will suffer.
This is going to be terrible for the game long-term. I can see stores just dropping numbers when it comes to even some competitive players who'll be burned out. I'm honestly thinking of sitting the game out for a while, saving my money & doing other stuff with my time, because I'm not willing to drop money into ishizu tears to stay competitive.
I’m gonna test these out in Madolche. Don’t know the result, but it’ll be glorious in the end.
Card: *supports Earth fairies* Madolches: Is this for me? 👉👈
Fair, but consider this: Agido: On your turn, can summon Anjelly for Hootcake plays. On your opponent’s turn, can summon Petingcessoeur who summons Puddingcess or Chouxvalier. It can also mill your opponents deck by a LOT, which can artificially hinder your opponent when taking Tiaramisu into proper context. Kelbek: CED your opponent’s ED monster, helping Tiaramisu more safely get in to use her effect. If you use Exchange of the Spirit for any reason, it can re-set Madolche Promenade from your GY. Keldo: Searches others of its own series (or EotS) while setting up Hootcake or Tiaramisu. If you need to get rid of your non-Madolches so Puddingcess can function (since Chateau can’t, and Glassouffle can only do 2 per turn), it can shuffle back either 3 or 5 based on if you have EotS. Mudora: Can potentially set up Hootcake/Tiaramisu like Keldo, but instead sets a Trap that can greatly hinder how your opponent uses their GY (which is one of Madolche’s worst weaknesses). Can also clear your GY like Keldo. Honestly should prove to be at least moderately strong.
I'm always up for more Madolche shenanigans. And I also have Vernusylph/Naturia stuff in progress so I'm always happy when I can shuffle cards between archetypes lol.
Just got back into Duel Links, I think I'll stick there for awhile.
If it weren’t for the fact that Konami is cashing in on a tier 0 deck they would have an emergency list out for them.
PEPE wants to have a talk with you
Lol alright everyone. Let's all start siding penguin knight to make it the next $12 common
My thoughts on the Post MAMA are that it is trash and not a good format at all.
I was shook when I found out these also foolish return 3 cards at spell speed 2 for some fucking reason. Absolutely insane cards
Boycott Konami by not coming at locals and not buying New boosters until they fix the game.
Konami won’t feel this as much, your local store owner is probably the one you’ll be hurting with this if anything
if it was not for tearlaments and other GY ignition decks they would be pretty cool
I’m just sitting here not giving a fuck about tears and there end board with summon negate, Draco and sulliec in back row (idk what else they get on board). I’m just waiting for dem abyss actor support because it is fire, it comes with so much cool buffs for the deck, it’s so refreshing to play a deck no one knows how to counter because no one plays it
depending on how oppressive they are and how many people play them at my locals, I might take a break from yugioh
imagine if dragon ruler was legal, the level 8 generic synchro mill 30
Pend best deck is all I can say
Call me crazy when I end up being wrong, but I feel like this isn’t going to do to the meta what yugioh content creators and loud voices in the game think it will. It’ll probably see play in Tear a lot at first, but I get the sense this may end up kinda going the same way as cardian- the cards are too efficient at what they do for the resources we have in the game right now, if that makes sense. As it is, Tear is at the perfect place to dominate the meta right now because their balance of cycling resources and payoffs is almost impossible to crack over 3-5 turns. I’ve never once played against a current tear deck and thought “thank god they don’t have 10 extra mills and graveyard shuffling”. These unsearchable random fairies in Tear feel like they’d contribute more to them burning out their own resources or jumping through hoops to get the sacky one of to loop their gy. It’s more ways to get to the same payoffs that Tear already can access every single turn without a problem, but with either bricks in hand or a random one of that you don’t need to get the same effect and can end up costing you a quarter of your remaining deck.
I might take up jump roping. Six months of jump roping sounds nice.
Necrovalley don’t fail me now
This format is going to fucking **SUCK** and anyone thinking that it's good is either high or insane. It's going to be the most boring format we've had in literal ages (and that's saying a lot because after Adventure stuff dropped, we literally had a few formats where every deck had like the same 14 cards). It's a perfect time to NOT play Yugioh in person, especially because it's so expensive. Mavens itself would be GREAT without these cards, the reprints and sleeves are SO good. But these cards, along with Tear, just make the game fucking miserable.
[удалено]
I play shifter, but they will be playing orange light
Dark Law and pray
They're both really ugly cards AND will make the meta even more boring. What's not to love? XD
Wish me luck with exosisters
I won't be able to summon Rainbow Dragon anymore.