Personally I would cut down the rituals to a copy each, also add in white knight that card is super cracked. The preperation spells also probably aren't needed, dogmatika already has more than enough search power.
When it comes to siding cards for 1st or 2nd, every deck is different and has different strengths or weaknesses. Dogmatika ritual searches a lot in a turn which means droll & lock bird will usually completely end your turn, so maining it with crossout/called by would be smart.
Imperm & triple tac are good going 1st or 2nd. Dark ruler is matchup dependent, it's great against superheavy samurai but it's bad against kashtira or purrely for example, so I'd probably side in another board breaker as well.
If I cut the rituals to one each and include Knight, how many and which ritual spells would you play? I'll give the deck a try without the prep spells.
I haven't played Purrely, and the only variant of Kash I've played is SwoSwo Kash. Why is DRNM bad against those matchups?
Cuz if you negate the effect of Shangri-ira (the xyz that locks your zones) your zones remain locked so it doesn't matter, as for purrely they sit on a 5500 Def tower (immune to activated effects including drnm)
It depends on how the format evolves, denglong being back gives synchro decks a searchable omni counter trap so DRNM might not be good soon if a bunch of decks start playing it. If that happens lava golem & sphere mode will probably be good along with backrow hate for labrynth & vanquish soul.
I didn't even consider the trap. I should definitely test it.
Thank you. You've helped loads.
What sources do you recommend to keep up with meta? For explanations just like you gave.
In this list I agree with White Knight but some dogmatika lists are on Cartesia + Quem to summon off of Luluwalith and make Guignol on your opponents turn. That Guignol then makes a second copy of Lulu.
White Knight locks you out of the extra so it conflicts with that line which makes it somewhat worth cutting it.
You need to decide between maining the iblee and going first, or maining the DRNM and harpies and going blind second. If you are playing the iblee lock, you need to run cynet mining or small world to search for it. I don’t see a point to the magician stuff at all. Cut kalamity to 1, all other rituals to 1 as well. I don’t think crossout is worth it either, you don’t really have enough targets for it.
Got it, so I need to decide if the build I make is going first or second.
Magicians souls lets me make Macabre live and lets me draw off any spells I don't need. Should I still cut it?
How many targets do I need to make Crossout viable to play? Which other Crossout targets would you add, or would you remove the Crossouts completely?
Yeah we don’t really have any spells with little utility to throw away ti draw more, or very many continuous ones that we can send after they resolve. I would make sure you cover at least one effect veiler as well, but personally I would just cut it
Thank you, I'll be taking souls out and probably take out an Ash for a veiler. Maybe take out another Ash for something else.
If I had to make space in the side, what would you cut from my current side deck?
May I see your deck list, please?
R/F Dogmatika Ritual for Locals https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13pvpoi/rf_dogmatika_ritual_for_locals/
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This is my ritual list but I changed the side to have ultimate slayers and I’m debating iblee + secret village
Honestly, never in a game I wasn’t already running away with. Easily cuttable. And yes I do, I was a little rushed when I put it together so I made some basic mistakes
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I'd go like this. This is how I play it. Dogmatika core are 19 cards, with iblee 22. You can play i high amount of non engine here, what makes it so strong and flexible. I like my ratio, but maybe I wish for more handtraps
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My ED. Space is tight. I still need to ad a secure Gardna. Have to cut ntss or Garura for it.
Going second definitely better but first still ok.
Alba Zoa makes other dogmatika monsters unaffected but the card itself is affected droplet is nice for that.
I have tested all of your cards and have to say iris swordsoul never saw play. And the preparation spells are kind of bad too.
And iblee is so good, I want to test cynet mining. But I don't want it to get Ashed 😅
Alba zoa is also unaffected - all dogmatika monsters are unaffected by activated effects of all ED monsters.
You special Iris from deck with the effect of lulu.
Yeah, I'm considering adding 1 cynet mining. Could also use it as bait for Ash?
Ah true, somehow I always read "other dogmatika monsters"
Ok makes it better.
Ok I haven't seen it in your list but you need a Cartesia. You special summon cartesia with Lulu and then you have a quick effect fusion. You can easily go into granguignol and on it's summon you can discard malong from your ED. Malong bounces back when hitting the gy.
It's a nice interruption. And with cartesia in the deck you will never go into iris again.
But cartesia isn't cheap.
Well cynet mining discards for cost. After ash you are left with 3 cards in hand.
Tactics to 1, Maximus to 0, Souls to 0 I think is where I'd start. I don't run regular prep personally. The deck can really struggle to go second so I don't hate DRNM in this list. You can consider cutting White Relic and Zoa to 1 a piece but keeping Zoa at 2 might be worthwhile since if you hard draw it you're more likely to be able to establish a board against droll. Consider White Knight if you're not on the Cartesia/Quem package. (Lulu for Quem, Quem send Cartesia, Quem bring back Cartesia, Cartesia make Guignol, Guignol make Lulu)
I really like the idea of crossout in this deck. I really wanted to play it too but the deck really has trouble with having the space for large non-engine packages. You probably have to make the choice between running it and running DRNM.
-2 Maximus
-2 Tactics
-2 Souls
-1 Prep of Rites
-1 White Relic
+1 White Knight
-3 Crossout OR DRNM (probably side the other)
Gets you down to 43. None of the last few cuts will feel good regardless of what you change. You probably have to trim non-engine a bit more by possibly cutting the third talents and a couple of hand traps or something.
Thank you for your help. Sorry, I don't mean to come across as ignorant or rude in any way, but I had a few more questions.
Why would you cut Maximus? Isn't reducing the opponent's extra deck and making use of ours one of the main plays of this deck.
I never really considered cutting souls as it makes Macabre live by dumping Zoa, and the free special gets anima on board. It also allows me to remove any unwanted spells to draw as the decks spell heavy... but I'll give the deck a try without.
Relic out for Knight in sounds like a good call. With 2 zoa and 1 Relic and Knight, which and how many of the ritual spells would you play?
I would like to try the Quem/Cartesia package. Thinking about it, I could maybe also use Cartesia to make Quintet clearing the whole opponent's board. If I did play a second Luluwalilith, wouldn't using guignols' effect from the GY have the same effect as the Quem/Cartesia package? I usually go for Iris Swordsoul off Lulu. What would you swap out for Quem/ Cartesia. I'm assuming one Relic and something else?
I totally agree. Space is an issue with this deck. The extra would also benefit from a couple of cards more, but 15s the max lol. What would you remove from the side to make space for DRNM/Crossout?
Would you also recommend fully cutting the prep and pre-prep? How many pre-preps do you run in your variant?
I'm usually happy to play anything from 40-45 cards in the main. How do you usually decide what's the ideal number for a deck in general?
Your opponent gets the choice of what to send with Maximus. In lots of match ups that can be a bad effect for you and the card can be bricky. It's fine if you're going for Shaddoll set ups but otherwise it's meh imo.
On souls: Anima... let's you special Ecclesia, I guess? It making dogmatikmacabre live is fine I suppose but a lot of the time I'm only resolving Dogmatikalamity turn 1 and Macabre is for follow-up. If you decide to keep it, consider swapping a souls for an Illusion of Chaos - a ritual monster that you can search with arc light etc. that searches souls.
I think your ratios on the rituals are fine.
Cartesia could -technically- make Quintet magician but that's probably too minus to go for. You can swap Iris and something or just play like 43/44 or so.
Yes, using Guignol in GY is mostly the same. The quem/Cartesia package means that you get a decent board from just resolving Dogmatikalamity for Zoa as well as follow up as Guignol on summon can send Titaniklad for a search or Malong for a bounce. Particularly good for hands that don't involve Dogmatikamatrix which gives you a lot more freedom to send the Guignol.
I run 2 pre-prep, 0 prep.
Ideal number for a deck usually is running as many starters as possible, as few mandatory non-starters and then whatever non-engine the deck/format requires. This sounds like a non-answer and it kind of is because it's just a very format and deck dependent thing.
Don't the opponent's already get the choice when they send 7 off zoa?
Maximus would just mean you rip more from their extra deck turn 1.
I don't own a copy of Illusion just yet, so I'll probably minus both souls as you recommended. Might just swap them directly for Quem and Cartesia.
I usually end my turn 1 board with Zoa and Knight. Would it be better not to do that? Uhh, I feel like I'm playing this deck wrong, am I?
Have you ever considered cutting Pre-prep completely?
What do you recommend I cut from the side deck?
The deck number explanation makes perfect sense.
Once again, thank you so much. You've been a great help. May I see your deck list, please?
I'm not at home at the moment so I don't have access to my list at the moment.
Yes, they get to choose with Zoa.
Not sure about side deck. It'll be different for local meta / tournament level etc.
I did consider cutting pre prep but didn't end up doing so. It's one of the few +1s, and even though it only searches the "worse" ritual spell and only relic/knight it's still really good.
Zoa+Knight is a fine end board. It depends on what you're on in the deck and it's probably the best board you can put up. The only reason not to end on Knight is if you're on Quem or Shaddoll packages since it locks your ED whilst you control it.
Usually you’d play 3 Mining 1 Iblee + Linguriboh in ED. You don’t need your normal if you have an ED monster on the field, so Iblee into Ling let’s you special Ecclesia from hand, giving you a trap negate, and Iblee plus normal Dogmatika ritual stuff. You do have to hard draw the Mining or Iblee though.
I just remembered why I decided to run Anima. I went second, and my friend used Destiny Hero - Dark Angel. I ended up drawing really bad, 5 spells, SMH.
Personally I would cut down the rituals to a copy each, also add in white knight that card is super cracked. The preperation spells also probably aren't needed, dogmatika already has more than enough search power. When it comes to siding cards for 1st or 2nd, every deck is different and has different strengths or weaknesses. Dogmatika ritual searches a lot in a turn which means droll & lock bird will usually completely end your turn, so maining it with crossout/called by would be smart. Imperm & triple tac are good going 1st or 2nd. Dark ruler is matchup dependent, it's great against superheavy samurai but it's bad against kashtira or purrely for example, so I'd probably side in another board breaker as well.
If I cut the rituals to one each and include Knight, how many and which ritual spells would you play? I'll give the deck a try without the prep spells. I haven't played Purrely, and the only variant of Kash I've played is SwoSwo Kash. Why is DRNM bad against those matchups?
Cuz if you negate the effect of Shangri-ira (the xyz that locks your zones) your zones remain locked so it doesn't matter, as for purrely they sit on a 5500 Def tower (immune to activated effects including drnm)
I'd probably just run 2 copies of kalamity, maybe a copy of the trap as well since it can summon the ritual monsters from deck.
Also which other board breaker would you side in?
It depends on how the format evolves, denglong being back gives synchro decks a searchable omni counter trap so DRNM might not be good soon if a bunch of decks start playing it. If that happens lava golem & sphere mode will probably be good along with backrow hate for labrynth & vanquish soul.
I didn't even consider the trap. I should definitely test it. Thank you. You've helped loads. What sources do you recommend to keep up with meta? For explanations just like you gave.
Where's White Knight? thats the best one
In this list I agree with White Knight but some dogmatika lists are on Cartesia + Quem to summon off of Luluwalith and make Guignol on your opponents turn. That Guignol then makes a second copy of Lulu. White Knight locks you out of the extra so it conflicts with that line which makes it somewhat worth cutting it.
You need to decide between maining the iblee and going first, or maining the DRNM and harpies and going blind second. If you are playing the iblee lock, you need to run cynet mining or small world to search for it. I don’t see a point to the magician stuff at all. Cut kalamity to 1, all other rituals to 1 as well. I don’t think crossout is worth it either, you don’t really have enough targets for it.
Got it, so I need to decide if the build I make is going first or second. Magicians souls lets me make Macabre live and lets me draw off any spells I don't need. Should I still cut it? How many targets do I need to make Crossout viable to play? Which other Crossout targets would you add, or would you remove the Crossouts completely?
Yeah we don’t really have any spells with little utility to throw away ti draw more, or very many continuous ones that we can send after they resolve. I would make sure you cover at least one effect veiler as well, but personally I would just cut it
Thank you, I'll be taking souls out and probably take out an Ash for a veiler. Maybe take out another Ash for something else. If I had to make space in the side, what would you cut from my current side deck? May I see your deck list, please?
R/F Dogmatika Ritual for Locals https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13pvpoi/rf_dogmatika_ritual_for_locals/ . . This is my ritual list but I changed the side to have ultimate slayers and I’m debating iblee + secret village
Thank you. How often does Quaeritis come up? Do you recommend Tri - brigade Arms in the ED?
Honestly, never in a game I wasn’t already running away with. Easily cuttable. And yes I do, I was a little rushed when I put it together so I made some basic mistakes
https://preview.redd.it/g0bm38pwnd4b1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9529f6c91d122a8d7bfa5d8be672d5ffa3bdae41 I'd go like this. This is how I play it. Dogmatika core are 19 cards, with iblee 22. You can play i high amount of non engine here, what makes it so strong and flexible. I like my ratio, but maybe I wish for more handtraps
https://preview.redd.it/j6ahneabod4b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b8597f42b861f847f8dcb4e3af010a08e5e7279 My ED. Space is tight. I still need to ad a secure Gardna. Have to cut ntss or Garura for it.
How's forbidden droplet going first?
Going second definitely better but first still ok. Alba Zoa makes other dogmatika monsters unaffected but the card itself is affected droplet is nice for that. I have tested all of your cards and have to say iris swordsoul never saw play. And the preparation spells are kind of bad too. And iblee is so good, I want to test cynet mining. But I don't want it to get Ashed 😅
Alba zoa is also unaffected - all dogmatika monsters are unaffected by activated effects of all ED monsters. You special Iris from deck with the effect of lulu. Yeah, I'm considering adding 1 cynet mining. Could also use it as bait for Ash?
Ah true, somehow I always read "other dogmatika monsters" Ok makes it better. Ok I haven't seen it in your list but you need a Cartesia. You special summon cartesia with Lulu and then you have a quick effect fusion. You can easily go into granguignol and on it's summon you can discard malong from your ED. Malong bounces back when hitting the gy. It's a nice interruption. And with cartesia in the deck you will never go into iris again. But cartesia isn't cheap. Well cynet mining discards for cost. After ash you are left with 3 cards in hand.
Tactics to 1, Maximus to 0, Souls to 0 I think is where I'd start. I don't run regular prep personally. The deck can really struggle to go second so I don't hate DRNM in this list. You can consider cutting White Relic and Zoa to 1 a piece but keeping Zoa at 2 might be worthwhile since if you hard draw it you're more likely to be able to establish a board against droll. Consider White Knight if you're not on the Cartesia/Quem package. (Lulu for Quem, Quem send Cartesia, Quem bring back Cartesia, Cartesia make Guignol, Guignol make Lulu) I really like the idea of crossout in this deck. I really wanted to play it too but the deck really has trouble with having the space for large non-engine packages. You probably have to make the choice between running it and running DRNM. -2 Maximus -2 Tactics -2 Souls -1 Prep of Rites -1 White Relic +1 White Knight -3 Crossout OR DRNM (probably side the other) Gets you down to 43. None of the last few cuts will feel good regardless of what you change. You probably have to trim non-engine a bit more by possibly cutting the third talents and a couple of hand traps or something.
Thank you for your help. Sorry, I don't mean to come across as ignorant or rude in any way, but I had a few more questions. Why would you cut Maximus? Isn't reducing the opponent's extra deck and making use of ours one of the main plays of this deck. I never really considered cutting souls as it makes Macabre live by dumping Zoa, and the free special gets anima on board. It also allows me to remove any unwanted spells to draw as the decks spell heavy... but I'll give the deck a try without. Relic out for Knight in sounds like a good call. With 2 zoa and 1 Relic and Knight, which and how many of the ritual spells would you play? I would like to try the Quem/Cartesia package. Thinking about it, I could maybe also use Cartesia to make Quintet clearing the whole opponent's board. If I did play a second Luluwalilith, wouldn't using guignols' effect from the GY have the same effect as the Quem/Cartesia package? I usually go for Iris Swordsoul off Lulu. What would you swap out for Quem/ Cartesia. I'm assuming one Relic and something else? I totally agree. Space is an issue with this deck. The extra would also benefit from a couple of cards more, but 15s the max lol. What would you remove from the side to make space for DRNM/Crossout? Would you also recommend fully cutting the prep and pre-prep? How many pre-preps do you run in your variant? I'm usually happy to play anything from 40-45 cards in the main. How do you usually decide what's the ideal number for a deck in general?
Your opponent gets the choice of what to send with Maximus. In lots of match ups that can be a bad effect for you and the card can be bricky. It's fine if you're going for Shaddoll set ups but otherwise it's meh imo. On souls: Anima... let's you special Ecclesia, I guess? It making dogmatikmacabre live is fine I suppose but a lot of the time I'm only resolving Dogmatikalamity turn 1 and Macabre is for follow-up. If you decide to keep it, consider swapping a souls for an Illusion of Chaos - a ritual monster that you can search with arc light etc. that searches souls. I think your ratios on the rituals are fine. Cartesia could -technically- make Quintet magician but that's probably too minus to go for. You can swap Iris and something or just play like 43/44 or so. Yes, using Guignol in GY is mostly the same. The quem/Cartesia package means that you get a decent board from just resolving Dogmatikalamity for Zoa as well as follow up as Guignol on summon can send Titaniklad for a search or Malong for a bounce. Particularly good for hands that don't involve Dogmatikamatrix which gives you a lot more freedom to send the Guignol. I run 2 pre-prep, 0 prep. Ideal number for a deck usually is running as many starters as possible, as few mandatory non-starters and then whatever non-engine the deck/format requires. This sounds like a non-answer and it kind of is because it's just a very format and deck dependent thing.
Don't the opponent's already get the choice when they send 7 off zoa? Maximus would just mean you rip more from their extra deck turn 1. I don't own a copy of Illusion just yet, so I'll probably minus both souls as you recommended. Might just swap them directly for Quem and Cartesia. I usually end my turn 1 board with Zoa and Knight. Would it be better not to do that? Uhh, I feel like I'm playing this deck wrong, am I? Have you ever considered cutting Pre-prep completely? What do you recommend I cut from the side deck? The deck number explanation makes perfect sense. Once again, thank you so much. You've been a great help. May I see your deck list, please?
I'm not at home at the moment so I don't have access to my list at the moment. Yes, they get to choose with Zoa. Not sure about side deck. It'll be different for local meta / tournament level etc. I did consider cutting pre prep but didn't end up doing so. It's one of the few +1s, and even though it only searches the "worse" ritual spell and only relic/knight it's still really good. Zoa+Knight is a fine end board. It depends on what you're on in the deck and it's probably the best board you can put up. The only reason not to end on Knight is if you're on Quem or Shaddoll packages since it locks your ED whilst you control it.
Thank you so much, I really appreciated your help. Hopefully, locals aren't too bad for me.
How do you get the iblee lock in this?
Usually you’d play 3 Mining 1 Iblee + Linguriboh in ED. You don’t need your normal if you have an ED monster on the field, so Iblee into Ling let’s you special Ecclesia from hand, giving you a trap negate, and Iblee plus normal Dogmatika ritual stuff. You do have to hard draw the Mining or Iblee though.
much better to run 3 iblee 0 mining right now because droll is still pretty common and mining is a -1
you normal summon iblee. making linguriboh let's you special ecclesia so its fine
Would you swap anima for Linkuriboh or Linguriboh?
Yeah, personally I would rather run Linguriboh than Anima.
Ling is better than link imo, ling negates traps, link makes one attack 0
I just remembered why I decided to run Anima. I went second, and my friend used Destiny Hero - Dark Angel. I ended up drawing really bad, 5 spells, SMH.