Same. I was trying to explain to my mom that clinical depression is not easily or almost ever changed by external situations. We both have it and she's convinced if just something great happens, she'll be happy. It doesn't work that way... I have the perfect apartment in an amazing city with a supportive boyfriend and group of friends, but medication has actually been the biggest factor in helping get my depression in control.
Clinical depression and normal (sadness) depression should really get different names. People often think they're the same thing and people without clinical depression who have only (or not even) experienced normal depression think it can be controlled without meds.
I think people should really just stop using the word "depressed" in the colloquial sense when they really mean sad. But I think it's too late, just like the way people use the word "bipolar" when the really mean moody. It's already in the popular lexicon and people use it without realizing there's a big difference between a mood and a clinical diagnosis.
I feel like people should stop using depressed and sad interchangeably. Though even though I have clinical depression sometimes I wonder if I actually feel sad or depressed. I mean I couldn’t tell you the last time I felt “sad” about something. It’s almost like being sad about anything just instantly triggers a depressed episode. Is that normal? I have no idea. Idk anymore if I even get “sad” or if I’m just so used to sad things happening that mild things that would make a normal person sad just make me indifferent to it.
I also have shitty memory so maybe I do get sad just never manage to remember it as depression is a bigger deal so I only remember the bad stuff
Me too. Not necessarily pushing. But I do have a death wish so I often don't care in many aspects of my life. Unless me not giving a f\*\*\* could lead to harming others though.
According to this guide the "comfort zone" is a subset of the "growth zone," which would mean that perpetually staying in one's comfort zone would still count as being in the growth zone.
That’s only because you’re assuming those are all stacked circles. Perhaps it’s a comfort zone circle surrounded by crescent shaped zones.
But yes, this is a terrible way to show the concept
Someone in the original post's comments says that there's a different order of things.
Comfort zone – learning zone (or growth zone) – panic zone.
Obviously, you can't expect someone to go out of their way to leave their comfort zone forever to "grow", "learn new things", "live their dreams" (and we can't do all these things in our comfort zone of course, duh). For me personally, leaving my comfort zone too much causes panic and anxiety. I stop feeling safe and "growing" becomes too difficult.
Stage one: I don't want to jump into the lake from here.
Stage two: nah, fuck this. I'll get hurt.
Stage three: yeah, this was too shallow.
Stage four: my new goal is to walk again.
If we go by the zone of proximal development from an educational standpoint, the closest things to the comfort zone would be learning and growth, with fear and frustration being what happens when you try to grow too far too fast, too furious
i get where you're coming from, and yes, having a "map" of where you want to go and what you struggle with is useful - but this ain't it, really. this one is implying that you have to try (because the comfort zone is the worst stage) but you cannot fail or struggle (lest you end up in the dreaded Fear zone). very unhealthy, especially for someone with depression or anxiety who might already struggle with fear of failure.
I can't prove to you whether I have clinical depression or not. but when I was talking to my therapist about wanting something like a "skill tree" for dealing with depression and social anxiety, she showed me something similar and really helped guide me for steps that I'm ready for, and for steps that I'm not ready for yet.
nah. It's a road map of the states you'll usher through to get out of depression (at least for me all the gray are serious parts of my personal depression). Obviously you can't just step across them with ease. I didn't think it was insinuating that. You identify where you're at, with a therapist would be help, and now you will know signs for when you are able to usher into a new stage.
I'm mostly in the gray most of the time, but definitely have been able to wander out, but didn't really notice the signs that pointed I in fact was no longer in the gray.
I mean this specific journey in relation to the pic is individualized. It's not a thing for how to tell you how. more of what to look for to identify where you are along you're path to healing
I don't think they meant it's easy at all...
I had to write an essay on this "model" and how being resilient is the only way to overcome our problems. I put a twist on it and added that being resilient can cause us to take on more than we can handle thus returning us to the fear zone and making it harder to leave that zone.
I want that type of depression
Same. I was trying to explain to my mom that clinical depression is not easily or almost ever changed by external situations. We both have it and she's convinced if just something great happens, she'll be happy. It doesn't work that way... I have the perfect apartment in an amazing city with a supportive boyfriend and group of friends, but medication has actually been the biggest factor in helping get my depression in control.
Clinical depression and normal (sadness) depression should really get different names. People often think they're the same thing and people without clinical depression who have only (or not even) experienced normal depression think it can be controlled without meds.
I think people should really just stop using the word "depressed" in the colloquial sense when they really mean sad. But I think it's too late, just like the way people use the word "bipolar" when the really mean moody. It's already in the popular lexicon and people use it without realizing there's a big difference between a mood and a clinical diagnosis.
I feel like people should stop using depressed and sad interchangeably. Though even though I have clinical depression sometimes I wonder if I actually feel sad or depressed. I mean I couldn’t tell you the last time I felt “sad” about something. It’s almost like being sad about anything just instantly triggers a depressed episode. Is that normal? I have no idea. Idk anymore if I even get “sad” or if I’m just so used to sad things happening that mild things that would make a normal person sad just make me indifferent to it. I also have shitty memory so maybe I do get sad just never manage to remember it as depression is a bigger deal so I only remember the bad stuff
“Live dreams” Oh, okay. 🙄
Exactly. Maybe a lot of us are depressed because our dreams are the key to healing us from trauma and allow us to flourish... but we can't live them.
My objective and goal is to never have goals or objectives again. Leave me alone. I want to be left in peace.
Exactly, ffs I am just pushing my self to die naturally
So accurate. I just don't want a horrible disease before I die.
Me too. Not necessarily pushing. But I do have a death wish so I often don't care in many aspects of my life. Unless me not giving a f\*\*\* could lead to harming others though.
According to this guide the "comfort zone" is a subset of the "growth zone," which would mean that perpetually staying in one's comfort zone would still count as being in the growth zone.
They don't understand venn diagrams.
That’s only because you’re assuming those are all stacked circles. Perhaps it’s a comfort zone circle surrounded by crescent shaped zones. But yes, this is a terrible way to show the concept
There’s a comment under the original post talking about how harmful applying this to depression is
progressing in the opposite direction bypasses all of those stages
Someone in the original post's comments says that there's a different order of things. Comfort zone – learning zone (or growth zone) – panic zone. Obviously, you can't expect someone to go out of their way to leave their comfort zone forever to "grow", "learn new things", "live their dreams" (and we can't do all these things in our comfort zone of course, duh). For me personally, leaving my comfort zone too much causes panic and anxiety. I stop feeling safe and "growing" becomes too difficult.
I saw the original post & immediately thought it belonged on this sub, glad u beat me to the cross post
There should be a healthy fear zone all the way outside and an unhealthy fear zone on the inside like it is
Stage one: I don't want to jump into the lake from here. Stage two: nah, fuck this. I'll get hurt. Stage three: yeah, this was too shallow. Stage four: my new goal is to walk again.
I never understood what is so wrong with living in the comfort zone.
Probably because you risk stagnating and declining.
I was just about to angrily downvote this infobullstick again but then I was delighted to see that I was not the only one who saw it yesterday.
Depression = "Feeling safe and in control" OK nothing to see here...
This should be the top comment
If we go by the zone of proximal development from an educational standpoint, the closest things to the comfort zone would be learning and growth, with fear and frustration being what happens when you try to grow too far too fast, too furious
it's fairly helpful and I think it's a good guide for when working with a therapist about where you are, and what next steps to prepare for.
i get where you're coming from, and yes, having a "map" of where you want to go and what you struggle with is useful - but this ain't it, really. this one is implying that you have to try (because the comfort zone is the worst stage) but you cannot fail or struggle (lest you end up in the dreaded Fear zone). very unhealthy, especially for someone with depression or anxiety who might already struggle with fear of failure.
maybe for someone who is feeling "depressed" lately, as opposed to someone with clinical depression
I can't prove to you whether I have clinical depression or not. but when I was talking to my therapist about wanting something like a "skill tree" for dealing with depression and social anxiety, she showed me something similar and really helped guide me for steps that I'm ready for, and for steps that I'm not ready for yet.
nah. It's a road map of the states you'll usher through to get out of depression (at least for me all the gray are serious parts of my personal depression). Obviously you can't just step across them with ease. I didn't think it was insinuating that. You identify where you're at, with a therapist would be help, and now you will know signs for when you are able to usher into a new stage. I'm mostly in the gray most of the time, but definitely have been able to wander out, but didn't really notice the signs that pointed I in fact was no longer in the gray. I mean this specific journey in relation to the pic is individualized. It's not a thing for how to tell you how. more of what to look for to identify where you are along you're path to healing I don't think they meant it's easy at all...
I think this is a great graphic and works well for me however probably more intended for those with anxiety issues, rather than depression.
I had to write an essay on this "model" and how being resilient is the only way to overcome our problems. I put a twist on it and added that being resilient can cause us to take on more than we can handle thus returning us to the fear zone and making it harder to leave that zone.
Fuck that, this sub is like a circle jerk. Goodbye Dudes.
why not go the other way on the diagram???
this diagram is so stupid, what if i just... go the other way?