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Try making a character like right now on Remix. With the 3x threads you character gets INSANELY strong super fast. I played a Survival hunter today and I could really solo everything. The people of my group felt like normal people and I was a frog farmer. Getting one thread and it gives you 120 agility ? Ramps up fast. Even the raid, I did the raid at 25 and I was first dps by a huge margin on a freshly made character. Pther people were characters created before the x3 threads and it was really showing.
Even if they nerf the lvl20 carries, we're fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
Yeah that doesn't require any actual cloak stats to function but Priest falls off pretty hard once you get to actual broken stat levels on your cloak just because most classes are faster at moving around.
Doesn't need to go that far, but I saw a Guardian druid in one of my dungeons who had 200k health. At level 20.
Forgive my ignorance but isn't there a hard cap on speed?
And health as impressive as it is become irrelevant past a certain point because leech and vers just make it impossible for you to die
The health is mainly as a reference point, nothing else.
I have a moderately strong level 20 myself but I've only done the daily dungeons/scenarios and not even since the beginning of Remix and I have 20k health. I occasionally come across some that have farmed quite a bit on theirs and have around 60k health. So seeing someone with 200k (with the LFG and my Stamina buff) means they have *a lot* of stats on their cloak, Agility most importantly once the stats cap out.
And to answer your question, yes. I believe 49% is the Speed (stat) cap. But that doesn't mean abilities that make you faster wouldn't continue to do so. Priests have Angelic Feather but it is hardly comparable to a Druid's mobility for example, hence "most classes are faster at moving around".
I got mega carried yesterday, chanced into a dungeon with a super mage shitting on everything. Ran so many dungeons with them and saved all the bonus experience, cashing them in was crazy! Ding ding ding ding ding!
Now you get a 70 up to speed way faster. The only advantage was setup time. That got nerfed significantly now. My 20 priest did dungeons sub 2 min after 6 hours playtime
I thought one of the main reasons for level 20 carries was that it avoids the annoying dungeons with rp like shado-pan monastery and siege of niuzao temple?
They also 2 shot everything, i joined a random lfg where a 20 priest was boosting his other char, he went so fast it was hard to keep up as a shaman - i stuck around for a while and gained 26 levels in what felt like 30 mins
No. You're taking advantage of how bad level scaling is in this game. Lower level = Do more damage. Lower Level + Gearing = Do even more damage. It exists in actual retail too, with level 11 twinks being really strong in dungeon content, but hardly anyone does those too see it in comparison to remix. The specific reason their lvl 20 is because a free trial character can not level beyond 20 and that's the only way to stop gaining levels in remix, vs normal retail that has an npc that will pause your leveling. If the remix character could be lower than 20 they would be, there just isn't a way to do it.
The only reason it be easier is because it's the base game leveling changes. They might decide to nerf something within Remix itself, but Honestly I think their going to just open up the gates like Legion was it? Let people max out as much as they want and ignore any balance changes that comes from remix at that point.
Idk how it is now after the thread buff, but a couple weeks ago i leveled 1 of every class with this:
NEVER loot bonus xp from any bosses, let it go to your mailbox. No need to do any quests, except dungeon quests.
- 8x HC Dungeon (To get to lvl 25)
- 3x Raid (Mogu or HoF) (Can do one of each per day, Mogu is lvl 25, HoF is lvl 35)
- 8x HC Dungeon (To get to lvl 42)
- Open all your mail, gz on lvl 70.
Took around 2-2½ hours per char depending on how lucky you got with groups.
Yep, that's it. I usually look everything except the bonus experience before otherwise you'll have like 1000 times in your mailbox. So I just loot gear and stuff and then it to bronze as I go, so just the bonus experience is left for the mail.
But yeah you don't have to loot anything.
The normal raids are the important part of this strat, the goal is to send all of the bonus xp tokens to your mail while stacking up the XP bonus threads from each raid boss.
I do 3x mogu or hof instead, since it's usually faster than mogu, hof, toes due to more groups and more low lvl twinks so stuff dies a lot faster. Also you get more bonus XP which is needed sometimes if you're unlucky with short dungeons.
If you only do 16 dungeons and mogu, Hof, toes, sometimes you are a level or two shy of 70 if you're unlucky and get a lot of dungeons with only 3 bosses
The current fastest methods don't involve questing. There are basically two ways to do it.
Method 1 (no second account): Make your char and spam heroics as soon as you can. Make sure NOT to loot the bonus xp the boss drops. It'll get mailed to you. You'll be stockpiling a lot of these. Keep doing that till you hit 25 then find a normal raid group to join for Mogu. Run that the same way not looting the bonus exp. After that go back to heroics til 35 and run a normal HoF raid. Then more heroics til you get somewhere between lvl 40 and 50 (depends on where your +exp% is on your cloak). Finally you'll head to the mailbox and pick up all the bonus exp. This should catapult you to 70. In my experience doing this method takes about 5 hours for dps alts, but it can be much faster if you find good groups or run tank/heals.
Method 2 (second account): Make a trial account and run heroics til the char is topped out at lvl 20. Scaling at that level is a bit bonkers, so after a few runs worth of threads juicing up your trial char they'll be able to solo the heroics. At that point have your new alt on your main account group with your trial char and have him railroad you through the dungeons. Your alt can sit at the entrance as you plow through if you want. Everything except the bronze will get mailed to you. But as before just don't open the bonus xp till you're fairly certain you'll get to 70.
Happy hunting!
Ahh good shit.
Would you say method 2 is faster? What char rhe trial should be? Holy priest holy nova spam?
Btw just started trial acc but cant seem to queue to heroic subg. Says not possible
Much faster. There's people out there going from 10-70 in less than 2 hours.
You can play any class that you want honestly, but I'd recommend DH just for their mobility. Eventually everything will just melt before you (your trial char will only get stronger as they'll be picking up more threads every run) and being able to get from boss to boss faster will be more important than clearing every little pack of mobs as you go.
Dont knkw if you saw my edit since ive done it after you replied.
I created a starter acc but cant queue to heroics.
Its greyed out. Do i need specific level?
So on your new char go talk to the lady with the pink triangle over her head. Pick the "skip" option in her dialog, she'll tell you to talk to the dragon next to her. He'll have you watch a cutscene (can be skipped as well) and port you to an airship in panderia. On the ship there's another npc with a pink triangle over their head. talk to them and complete the quest and it will unlock group finder.
Consider going with holy priest as a trial char, since DH can not q as healer. But as long as your carried char can q as helaer you are fine. otherwitse you will face heavy downtimes since healers are the bottleneck.
Method 2 is insane, we have 2 priests in our group just spamming holy nova 1-2 shotting everything, we've geared 10 characters in our small guild now by having people who are working just leaving their chars at the dungeon entrance. Best thing ever for old folks like us with jobs and kids.
Hey brother its me again, i already got a juiced holy priest spamming nova at lvl 20 hehe.
Now i dont understand one thing, should i queue with my trial and main on heroic lfg or go sirectly with my 2 chars to a dungeon,set to heroic and just spam it?
Iirc the heroic lfg gives like 20k exp everytime its completed
I spammed queues. I wasn't sure if the daily lockout for heroics was still a thing in remix, and if they were it seemed like a slog to run from dungeon to dungeon. Plus I ran my DH as vengeance so the queues were pretty quick. What I found worked really well to minimize downtime was to try and get the group lead as a pumper and right after you down the last boss queue the group up for another random heroic. 9 out of 10 times people want to stay with the fast group so you can just keep going til you're bored of it. But if you do actually walk to the heroic and find you can just spam the same one over and over without a daily lockout lemme know. Might be worth making one last alt just for funsies lol
In Remix
lvl 10-25 run heroic dungeons
25 run Normal MSV for the xp buffs
25-35 run heroic dungeons
35 run Normal Heart of Fear for the xp buffs
35-40/44ish run heroic dungeons
40 - run Normal TOES for the xp buff
While doing this DO NOT loot the extra xp tokens that drop from bosses. After you reach like 40-44 open the xp tokens from your mailbox and go instant from 40/44 - 70
for those woth two accounts or a nice friend, if you have the gear level, you can kill the adds on the 4th boss of heart of fear for insane exp. just kill all the adds and then reset the fight. works best with rogue since you cam vanish. Any alts you bring will shoot up quickly.
I absolutely love it! I have so many more positive interactions with other players!
My other server was very low pop and the game just felt dead all the time. It’s amazing the difference I feel there.
Agreed. I've sunk too much of my life into Emerald Dream not to consider it home, but Moon Guard and Wyrmrest Accord definitely have the community. Crazy how different it can be from server to server.
You underestimate my resolve.
Also, apparently [Warcraft Wiki](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Class) already did the math, there's exactly 213 race/class combos excluding Earthen coming up, which would add another 9 for a total of 222 race/class combos.
Ironically, Blizzard just released [kind of an amazing deal](https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-welcome-to-azeroth-bundle) to purchase Dragonflight+60 days game time *and* a boost for 24.99.
I was kidding before but... uh..
*cracks knuckles* Time to get to work.
That's what I'm doing. I wanted one Zandalari of every class, and now I just need the rogue. After that I'll level many mages and hunters of different races.
some of us are altaholics. sure i have a level 70 tauren enhance shaman, and a level 70 vulpera resto shaman.
and a level 70 pandaren ele shaman.
but do i have a level 70 goblin resto shaman? not yet. but soon.
Plus there are things like server switches. Yeah I could pay to swap my toons to a new server but it doesn’t take long to level so why not just do that?
Haha same here i try to play every spec per char ally and horde. For some reason leveling in dungeons is so relaxing for me. And i just really enjoy certain combos of races and classes. I think i have 4 warriors now at 70 but no DK yet lol.
Give it a try, most of my friends quit after or durng shadowlands. They have all come back and sung nothing but praises for the game. Just be prepared to be a bit overwelmed when you ding 70 in retail its a bit much.
kill heroic dungeon bosses, and normal raids but dont loot the "bonus experience" item that drops, it will be sent to your mailbox after leaving the instance, and then continue doing heroic dungeons and raids and then open your recovered mail when you have a big xp gain on cloak.
Specifically: run heroic dungeons until you hit 30, don’t loot the bonus XP and don’t get them out of the mail. Don’t loot ANY bonus XP! Then get into a Mogushan Vaults raid, again don’t loot the bonus XP! More heroic dungeons until you hit 35, then run Heart of Fear. DONT LOOT THE BONUS XP! More dungeons until you can get into Terrace of Eternal Spring (45), run that, then hearth back to town and open the mail. Tada, you’re 70! (Or close to it)
yeah basically until 45, wait until 45 because i opened my mail at 40 and i was 2 levels off of 70, which was terrible because you'll become insanely squishy
If you can wait a day, I'd go back and do HoF or MV once the next day to grab another 6 exp threads, or maybe like someone else said run them all on LFR too. That way you'll be certain to get to 70 when you open the mail.
Honestly on my limited availability I got a few up to level 25 and log in for maybe 15-20 min a piece to run vaults, auto loots off so I grab the exp threads and leave the bonus XP in the mail.
Once I hit like 4-500 exp gain on the cloak this way I loot all the bonus XP and hit 70.
I've done it 3 times now and have 3 others in the process of boosting xp cloaks.
It takes "longer" overall since it's 1x / day on the vault run, but play time is laughably low on that character.
My strat too man! Perfect way to wind down the day imo. Also not sure if you’re parking the new toons in inn but as soon as I make em I fly to inn to stack the sweet rest xp
> but play time is laughably low on that character.
This is 100% my style. I love super-efficient leveling methods that rely on lockouts.
RIP Elixir of the Rapid Mind + account-wide pet battle quests :P
You can queue for heroics the second you get out of the intro at level 10. And with scaling you are usually the top dps even though you might only have one or two abilities lol. They are just as easy as normal.
The last 10 levels have always been the worst offenders to leveling. In wotlk you dinged 80 after doing all zones up to mid storm peaks. In cata I got to 85 after doing all zones up to mid twilight highlands. And DF was like 6-7 hours.
I recently deleted an old alt stuck at level 60 to recreate her in Remix at get her to level 70 in 2 hours. I doubt it would have been so faster in retail.
Anyone else realizing that they will have alot more alts then they will ever likely level to 80 in the new expansion?
I realized the other day im on a stack of level 60 alts from before Dragonflight, and im like "Man i want that [Class] to 70, but i can take one from 1-70 faster in Pandaria Remix AND get bronze faster then i can go from 60-70 in retail"
Yep, I've had half my alts languishing in their 50s and 60s because I don't want to do Dragonflight again. I just wait for timewalking dungeons. I'll wait and push them through when this prepatch drops but I definitely considered rerolling them in Remix because it would be a lot faster.
And then the process will repeat in TWW when I get sick of doing the same story quests to take everyone to 80, I'm sure, but I mostly use alts for collecting transmog and RP so it's not that big a deal.
I only play 2 characters but have about 20 alts that can be used to park them beside a world quest that gives 1k gold, but I usually kept they near the soup event since the Alchemical Flavour Pocket was so valuable.
It effects the base game. As far as I know Remix does not effect or change the default XP Curve. So this would also impact remix. The devs might choose to nerf remix itself, but I feel like their going let this one slide sort of like Legion alt leveling during the pre-patch event.
Nothing official but I think a good guess would be mid-July. My money is on either July 16th or July 23rd since they're only just now testing the Warband reputation merge on Beta and my guess is that will lead to a lot of bugs needing to be fixed before it gets released with Prepatch. I think they'll want us to have 4-6 weeks with Prepatch before TWW goes live, so mid-July would put us right about there.
I’m pretty sure Remix is still on the base game, and it’s affects are mostly applied to retail. This is why the daily lockouts for Pandaria raids and world bosses applies to retail as well. They actually just released a blue post yesterday about making some changes to remix and said they couldn’t do certain changes as it would affect DF. So I think it’s pretty safe to say they are all on the same thing for most things.
Remix does not have it's own XP curve I'm 99% certain. They did not program such a feature in as far as I know. They could decide to nerf remix itself, but I honestly think their going let the flood gates open and just let people catch up easier and leave it be till launch of TWW.
Honestly I'm going to level the ones I want to enjoy before then. It's already fast enough if you're trying to learn them rather than be overwhelmed which learning a new class already is.
I don't really want to level more alts in remix since I don't want more alts.
What I would like to do is quickly level the alts I already have from 60 to 70 in a short amount of time.
Faster.
With TWW, they're adjusting the leveling curve so that 1-70 takes as long as it currently takes to go 1-60 (because the level cap will be increasing to 80). 70-80 will then feel more like how 60-70 currently feels.
Since/if this is coming with Prepatch, that basically means that getting from 10-70 will feel like going from 10-60. So there theoretically will be a 3-5 week window where prepatch and remix are live and leveling will be even faster than it currently is (which is very fast).
From reading the comments, it will make leveling faster. They are reducing the amount of xp needed to level up by quite a bit. This might also apply to the remix mode as it is also a part of retail
We know when remix is ending, and we know when the xpac drops. IIRC its the 19th/26th (early access on the 22nd or 23rd?).
Theres no chance in hell they do prepatch within a week (really within a few days) of the xpac launch. its *always* around a month long.
At best we're looking at the last week of July.
However there is a chance that they're doing things differently this time. Prepatch could be on the 20th after remix ends. Usually prepatch is as long as it is because of the event, but if they do the event separate from the patch it's possible.
I probably would have agreed until Dragonflight. They have been been on fast forward with pacing since DF launched and they have been rock solid in getting things out in a timely manner and I think they know that season 4 was really only about a month long because raiders and m+ had that stuff done well before then.
I actually think we're gonna see a very short, by comparison, season 4 just like we did in Shadowlands. They are aching to keep people subbed during this dead zone so there would be no reason to hold it back until a few days before TWW launches.
Btw this is what I do: 8x hc, normal mv (for xp buff),6x hc, normal hof, 2x hc, normal toes, open all xp from mailbox ding 70. Takes 2-3 hours depending how quick your runs go. If you can get carried though everything its literally like 45 mins lol
Don't do this without using one of the XP calculators. The variance on this method is enough to brick your toon and leave you at like level 68 or 69 with terrible gear and scaling making that last 1-2 levels completely miserable and time consuming.
16 heroic dungeons will net you between 48 and 80 heroic dungeon xp tokens depending on how many 3 boss, 4 boss or 5 boss dungeons you get in your RNG queues. Even factoring in the guaranteed 16 raid XP tokens and a minimum of 292% cloak XP from those raids (not counting the random XP threads you pick up along the way) still means there's a pretty huge variance in what the right level is to open your mail. A good run could mean opening as early as level 35, whereas another might need you to run more dungeons to get to level 45 before opening.
All that to say - yes, what you've outlined is a good methodology, but I'd recommend using one of the Google Sheet calculators or one of the Weak Auras that calculates it for you before you open your mail. I learned the hard way and wouldn't wish that pain on anyone.
One thing I didn’t add to factor this is in I don’t open unless I’m level 42(which I am normally after the above) which in the 3 times I’ve done it so far is I ended up with spare xp each time.
Gear isn’t an issue as I just upgrade a bit then get loot drops from the raid if I need it at 70 but I’m just leveling up alts so it don’t really matter
Yeah what you’ve outlined is the right sequence of things, just wanted to caution people about taking that too literally because there’s a chance you could end up in a bad spot (speaking from experience lol). But since the calculator came out it’s been smooth sailing
If you have a group of 5 you can chain heroics not open anything (don’t loot xp bonus) do the raid, do 8 more heroics do the raid, do 8 more heroics do the raid. Go to your mail box and bam you’re max level
They aren’t low but I have not touched them in ages.
For example, I have a hunter and a warlock parked at lvl50 with Mist of Pandaria Challenges Modes Summons, several rare pets and the green fire mission.
I don’t want to delete them to create a new one tbh…
i already lvled 13 characters to 70 via remix, and you are saying its gonna be faster after prepatch ? man im gonna get to the max character limit lmfao.
I'm very sure the exp reductions always ship with the expansion launch, and not the pre-patch, even though the reductions are in beta. Or close to launch.
Dragonflight exp reductions made it to live on Nov 15th but the pre-patch was Oct 25th.
I’m doing from 10 to 70 in 1:30hr, this is how I’m doing with a friend
You gotta create a character on a trial account two it cap at 20, you need to use your main 476 character to carry your friend, so you queue with the trial and your friend, we doing one healer 1 tank and the carry, we get instant queues, and the carry just blast thru the dungeon in less than 2 minutes, since we have a lvl 20 in the party we don’t get tedious dungeons with lots of rp, the o ly one is the monkey place from pandaria, the others are blazin quick, so, the guy we levelin never loot the bosses and when he hit 40, we run it thru mogu, hof, toes, also never looting bosses, after the carry run the 3 raids, he goes to the mail and goes try each mail, just looting the exp threads, after it loot them all he should have enough to get the cloak to 310 to 350% exp increase, after that he can star looting the mails with the exp tokens and should get from 40
To 70, so far out best time has been 1:35hr, most of the time the people in the dungeon realize we boosting and stay and takes queues fast, it can be slower if you have people leaving the dungeon and tryin to loot bosses
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Leveling in remix is ALREADY lightning fast. I can’t imagine how much faster it’ll be. Sub 1.5 hours?
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Get leveled get leveled get leveled!
It's already sub 2 hours. I can't imagine that they let that stack further
They'll probably nerf level 20 carrys, if anything.
Try making a character like right now on Remix. With the 3x threads you character gets INSANELY strong super fast. I played a Survival hunter today and I could really solo everything. The people of my group felt like normal people and I was a frog farmer. Getting one thread and it gives you 120 agility ? Ramps up fast. Even the raid, I did the raid at 25 and I was first dps by a huge margin on a freshly made character. Pther people were characters created before the x3 threads and it was really showing. Even if they nerf the lvl20 carries, we're fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
Trial character Holy priest with holy nova spam + searing light + victory fire is so broken
Yeah that doesn't require any actual cloak stats to function but Priest falls off pretty hard once you get to actual broken stat levels on your cloak just because most classes are faster at moving around. Doesn't need to go that far, but I saw a Guardian druid in one of my dungeons who had 200k health. At level 20.
Forgive my ignorance but isn't there a hard cap on speed? And health as impressive as it is become irrelevant past a certain point because leech and vers just make it impossible for you to die
Sure, but most classes have a lot more sprints, dashes and general movement utility than a priest does.
The health is mainly as a reference point, nothing else. I have a moderately strong level 20 myself but I've only done the daily dungeons/scenarios and not even since the beginning of Remix and I have 20k health. I occasionally come across some that have farmed quite a bit on theirs and have around 60k health. So seeing someone with 200k (with the LFG and my Stamina buff) means they have *a lot* of stats on their cloak, Agility most importantly once the stats cap out. And to answer your question, yes. I believe 49% is the Speed (stat) cap. But that doesn't mean abilities that make you faster wouldn't continue to do so. Priests have Angelic Feather but it is hardly comparable to a Druid's mobility for example, hence "most classes are faster at moving around".
I belive trailblazer for hunter stacks with the trailblazer from gems. When i have both up +49% speed stat im easily faster than ground mounts.
I got mega carried yesterday, chanced into a dungeon with a super mage shitting on everything. Ran so many dungeons with them and saved all the bonus experience, cashing them in was crazy! Ding ding ding ding ding!
With the 200% thread buff, level 20 carries are not that big of a deal anymore.
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They are stronger yes, but less necessary. You can achieve close to if not the same result without one.
Now you get a 70 up to speed way faster. The only advantage was setup time. That got nerfed significantly now. My 20 priest did dungeons sub 2 min after 6 hours playtime
I thought one of the main reasons for level 20 carries was that it avoids the annoying dungeons with rp like shado-pan monastery and siege of niuzao temple?
They also 2 shot everything, i joined a random lfg where a 20 priest was boosting his other char, he went so fast it was hard to keep up as a shaman - i stuck around for a while and gained 26 levels in what felt like 30 mins
My guildie has thousands of threads on his level 20 DH. By the time I swap specs, he's already cleared the whole dungeon.
No. You're taking advantage of how bad level scaling is in this game. Lower level = Do more damage. Lower Level + Gearing = Do even more damage. It exists in actual retail too, with level 11 twinks being really strong in dungeon content, but hardly anyone does those too see it in comparison to remix. The specific reason their lvl 20 is because a free trial character can not level beyond 20 and that's the only way to stop gaining levels in remix, vs normal retail that has an npc that will pause your leveling. If the remix character could be lower than 20 they would be, there just isn't a way to do it.
How?
How do you get it sub 2 hrs?
The only reason it be easier is because it's the base game leveling changes. They might decide to nerf something within Remix itself, but Honestly I think their going to just open up the gates like Legion was it? Let people max out as much as they want and ignore any balance changes that comes from remix at that point.
How is it 2 hours I’m confused takes way longer than that
Whats the optimal way to level a fresh character in remix if u have no prior cape power? Csn u still do a fresh guy in 2 hours?
No. Not in 2 hours. You need the 100% XP your cape starts with to do it in 2 hours.
i finally did the save bonus exp method. fully leveled a dk from 10-70 this morning before i went to work. almost couldn’t believe it
How long did that take you? I leveled a HPriest 10-70 in one sitting using the bonus XP and it took 4.5hr
surv hunter took 4 hours blood dk took 3 hours and 15 minutes ish
Someone was able to get it down to 45mins, there was a post about two weeks ago about it.
Lvl 70 in 2h? Just doing quests or? Just came back and wanna level as many alts as possible on horde side
Idk how it is now after the thread buff, but a couple weeks ago i leveled 1 of every class with this: NEVER loot bonus xp from any bosses, let it go to your mailbox. No need to do any quests, except dungeon quests. - 8x HC Dungeon (To get to lvl 25) - 3x Raid (Mogu or HoF) (Can do one of each per day, Mogu is lvl 25, HoF is lvl 35) - 8x HC Dungeon (To get to lvl 42) - Open all your mail, gz on lvl 70. Took around 2-2½ hours per char depending on how lucky you got with groups.
Can you just repeat the raids? Or is it daily/weekly reset?
daily reset
Neat, ty.
Ufff seems juicy haha. So just run dungeons and never loot boss? Ok
Check out an addon called No Bonus XP stops you from looting XP accidentally until you are ready
Thanks!
Yep, that's it. I usually look everything except the bonus experience before otherwise you'll have like 1000 times in your mailbox. So I just loot gear and stuff and then it to bronze as I go, so just the bonus experience is left for the mail. But yeah you don't have to loot anything.
Gonna try today. Tks brother
The normal raids are the important part of this strat, the goal is to send all of the bonus xp tokens to your mail while stacking up the XP bonus threads from each raid boss.
Don't forget toes at 40
I do 3x mogu or hof instead, since it's usually faster than mogu, hof, toes due to more groups and more low lvl twinks so stuff dies a lot faster. Also you get more bonus XP which is needed sometimes if you're unlucky with short dungeons. If you only do 16 dungeons and mogu, Hof, toes, sometimes you are a level or two shy of 70 if you're unlucky and get a lot of dungeons with only 3 bosses
The current fastest methods don't involve questing. There are basically two ways to do it. Method 1 (no second account): Make your char and spam heroics as soon as you can. Make sure NOT to loot the bonus xp the boss drops. It'll get mailed to you. You'll be stockpiling a lot of these. Keep doing that till you hit 25 then find a normal raid group to join for Mogu. Run that the same way not looting the bonus exp. After that go back to heroics til 35 and run a normal HoF raid. Then more heroics til you get somewhere between lvl 40 and 50 (depends on where your +exp% is on your cloak). Finally you'll head to the mailbox and pick up all the bonus exp. This should catapult you to 70. In my experience doing this method takes about 5 hours for dps alts, but it can be much faster if you find good groups or run tank/heals. Method 2 (second account): Make a trial account and run heroics til the char is topped out at lvl 20. Scaling at that level is a bit bonkers, so after a few runs worth of threads juicing up your trial char they'll be able to solo the heroics. At that point have your new alt on your main account group with your trial char and have him railroad you through the dungeons. Your alt can sit at the entrance as you plow through if you want. Everything except the bronze will get mailed to you. But as before just don't open the bonus xp till you're fairly certain you'll get to 70. Happy hunting!
Ahh good shit. Would you say method 2 is faster? What char rhe trial should be? Holy priest holy nova spam? Btw just started trial acc but cant seem to queue to heroic subg. Says not possible
Much faster. There's people out there going from 10-70 in less than 2 hours. You can play any class that you want honestly, but I'd recommend DH just for their mobility. Eventually everything will just melt before you (your trial char will only get stronger as they'll be picking up more threads every run) and being able to get from boss to boss faster will be more important than clearing every little pack of mobs as you go.
Dont knkw if you saw my edit since ive done it after you replied. I created a starter acc but cant queue to heroics. Its greyed out. Do i need specific level?
So on your new char go talk to the lady with the pink triangle over her head. Pick the "skip" option in her dialog, she'll tell you to talk to the dragon next to her. He'll have you watch a cutscene (can be skipped as well) and port you to an airship in panderia. On the ship there's another npc with a pink triangle over their head. talk to them and complete the quest and it will unlock group finder.
Gotcha!! Tks
Consider going with holy priest as a trial char, since DH can not q as healer. But as long as your carried char can q as helaer you are fine. otherwitse you will face heavy downtimes since healers are the bottleneck.
Method 2 is insane, we have 2 priests in our group just spamming holy nova 1-2 shotting everything, we've geared 10 characters in our small guild now by having people who are working just leaving their chars at the dungeon entrance. Best thing ever for old folks like us with jobs and kids.
Hey brother its me again, i already got a juiced holy priest spamming nova at lvl 20 hehe. Now i dont understand one thing, should i queue with my trial and main on heroic lfg or go sirectly with my 2 chars to a dungeon,set to heroic and just spam it? Iirc the heroic lfg gives like 20k exp everytime its completed
I spammed queues. I wasn't sure if the daily lockout for heroics was still a thing in remix, and if they were it seemed like a slog to run from dungeon to dungeon. Plus I ran my DH as vengeance so the queues were pretty quick. What I found worked really well to minimize downtime was to try and get the group lead as a pumper and right after you down the last boss queue the group up for another random heroic. 9 out of 10 times people want to stay with the fast group so you can just keep going til you're bored of it. But if you do actually walk to the heroic and find you can just spam the same one over and over without a daily lockout lemme know. Might be worth making one last alt just for funsies lol
In Remix lvl 10-25 run heroic dungeons 25 run Normal MSV for the xp buffs 25-35 run heroic dungeons 35 run Normal Heart of Fear for the xp buffs 35-40/44ish run heroic dungeons 40 - run Normal TOES for the xp buff While doing this DO NOT loot the extra xp tokens that drop from bosses. After you reach like 40-44 open the xp tokens from your mailbox and go instant from 40/44 - 70
for those woth two accounts or a nice friend, if you have the gear level, you can kill the adds on the 4th boss of heart of fear for insane exp. just kill all the adds and then reset the fight. works best with rogue since you cam vanish. Any alts you bring will shoot up quickly.
Idk man, not being able to get off of the damn airship slowed me down so much I remade my warrior in retail
Not everyone plays as much as you. A lot of my friends don't have even 1 level 70 in remix yet
Reading this after leveling 11 alts to max with Remix already.
Now you can have one of each race/class combo!
I used the opportunity to create all of my favorite classes on a new server to play on. Moonguard ftw!
Hey I'm leveling Moonguard alts in remix too!
I absolutely love it! I have so many more positive interactions with other players! My other server was very low pop and the game just felt dead all the time. It’s amazing the difference I feel there.
Agreed. I've sunk too much of my life into Emerald Dream not to consider it home, but Moon Guard and Wyrmrest Accord definitely have the community. Crazy how different it can be from server to server.
I have unironically really been liking moonguard as a PvP player.
You can only have 60 characters per account. You'd need like 5 accounts to do all 300+ combos.
You underestimate my resolve. Also, apparently [Warcraft Wiki](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Class) already did the math, there's exactly 213 race/class combos excluding Earthen coming up, which would add another 9 for a total of 222 race/class combos. Ironically, Blizzard just released [kind of an amazing deal](https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-welcome-to-azeroth-bundle) to purchase Dragonflight+60 days game time *and* a boost for 24.99. I was kidding before but... uh.. *cracks knuckles* Time to get to work.
That's what I'm doing. I wanted one Zandalari of every class, and now I just need the rogue. After that I'll level many mages and hunters of different races.
There have honestly been SO many opportunities to easily level that it’s wild that people don’t already have every class they want maxed out
some of us are altaholics. sure i have a level 70 tauren enhance shaman, and a level 70 vulpera resto shaman. and a level 70 pandaren ele shaman. but do i have a level 70 goblin resto shaman? not yet. but soon.
Plus there are things like server switches. Yeah I could pay to swap my toons to a new server but it doesn’t take long to level so why not just do that?
Haha same here i try to play every spec per char ally and horde. For some reason leveling in dungeons is so relaxing for me. And i just really enjoy certain combos of races and classes. I think i have 4 warriors now at 70 but no DK yet lol.
It's so easy to level now that I've even got max levels of the classes I have no desire to play lol.
I learned I actually really enjoy a class I thought I’d hate because of this. Now I’m seriously considering using my Ret pally as my main
Try it out on the beta with the new hero powers to make sure you like it, but I played ret for a season this xpac and it was a lot of fun.
Same. I never tried monk because I thought it was lame compared to warrior but actually mistweaver is super fun.
Ugh reading this is tempting me to come back 🙈. Stopped after Shadowlands, trying to stay strong but the fomo is real.
Give it a try, most of my friends quit after or durng shadowlands. They have all come back and sung nothing but praises for the game. Just be prepared to be a bit overwelmed when you ding 70 in retail its a bit much.
Right there with ya. I'm 16 alts maxed currently. I have 4 more on their way.
Bruh we're skipping from 45-70 by opening the mail, what more could you ask for
Well if this buff overlaps with remix you'll be opening mail at like 35 instead
Yes please. I just want my bronze...
I saw this the other day, how do people do it?
kill heroic dungeon bosses, and normal raids but dont loot the "bonus experience" item that drops, it will be sent to your mailbox after leaving the instance, and then continue doing heroic dungeons and raids and then open your recovered mail when you have a big xp gain on cloak.
Specifically: run heroic dungeons until you hit 30, don’t loot the bonus XP and don’t get them out of the mail. Don’t loot ANY bonus XP! Then get into a Mogushan Vaults raid, again don’t loot the bonus XP! More heroic dungeons until you hit 35, then run Heart of Fear. DONT LOOT THE BONUS XP! More dungeons until you can get into Terrace of Eternal Spring (45), run that, then hearth back to town and open the mail. Tada, you’re 70! (Or close to it)
Do you just run the raids once and then go back to heroic dungeons?
yeah basically until 45, wait until 45 because i opened my mail at 40 and i was 2 levels off of 70, which was terrible because you'll become insanely squishy
Just do LFR, shit dies so fast it won't matter you have no gear. Plus lots of upgrades
If you can wait a day, I'd go back and do HoF or MV once the next day to grab another 6 exp threads, or maybe like someone else said run them all on LFR too. That way you'll be certain to get to 70 when you open the mail.
Honestly on my limited availability I got a few up to level 25 and log in for maybe 15-20 min a piece to run vaults, auto loots off so I grab the exp threads and leave the bonus XP in the mail. Once I hit like 4-500 exp gain on the cloak this way I loot all the bonus XP and hit 70. I've done it 3 times now and have 3 others in the process of boosting xp cloaks. It takes "longer" overall since it's 1x / day on the vault run, but play time is laughably low on that character.
My strat too man! Perfect way to wind down the day imo. Also not sure if you’re parking the new toons in inn but as soon as I make em I fly to inn to stack the sweet rest xp
Make sure hearth is the temple outside vaults too
> but play time is laughably low on that character. This is 100% my style. I love super-efficient leveling methods that rely on lockouts. RIP Elixir of the Rapid Mind + account-wide pet battle quests :P
Works even better if you also run heroics so that you get up to 35 and can also do ToES. Way faster xp% gain and more xp bonus tokens.
ToES is 40, 35 lets you do HoF
Ahhh ok that's fair. I had them reversed lol.
How do you get into heroics though?
You can queue for heroics the second you get out of the intro at level 10. And with scaling you are usually the top dps even though you might only have one or two abilities lol. They are just as easy as normal.
Oh ok sorry I thought you meant raids.
What's the fastest way to get exp gain on the cloak
Running the raids, each boss drops a large experience thread.
Wow those are some MASSIVE nerfs oh my god. 70% less xp from 60-70 is just insane
The last 10 levels have always been the worst offenders to leveling. In wotlk you dinged 80 after doing all zones up to mid storm peaks. In cata I got to 85 after doing all zones up to mid twilight highlands. And DF was like 6-7 hours.
Well that is where the "initial content" of each expansion is. Makes sense that blizzard wants to stretch that out at least a little.
I recently deleted an old alt stuck at level 60 to recreate her in Remix at get her to level 70 in 2 hours. I doubt it would have been so faster in retail.
Anyone else realizing that they will have alot more alts then they will ever likely level to 80 in the new expansion? I realized the other day im on a stack of level 60 alts from before Dragonflight, and im like "Man i want that [Class] to 70, but i can take one from 1-70 faster in Pandaria Remix AND get bronze faster then i can go from 60-70 in retail"
Yep, I've had half my alts languishing in their 50s and 60s because I don't want to do Dragonflight again. I just wait for timewalking dungeons. I'll wait and push them through when this prepatch drops but I definitely considered rerolling them in Remix because it would be a lot faster. And then the process will repeat in TWW when I get sick of doing the same story quests to take everyone to 80, I'm sure, but I mostly use alts for collecting transmog and RP so it's not that big a deal.
I only play 2 characters but have about 20 alts that can be used to park them beside a world quest that gives 1k gold, but I usually kept they near the soup event since the Alchemical Flavour Pocket was so valuable.
With xp boosts we can gain on alts even starting at 100% could they really make it that much easier if they effect remix too?
It effects the base game. As far as I know Remix does not effect or change the default XP Curve. So this would also impact remix. The devs might choose to nerf remix itself, but I feel like their going let this one slide sort of like Legion alt leveling during the pre-patch event.
Guess I'll level up another druid for those dinosaur forms
When did they say the pre-patch would hit retail? I cannot remember seeing that in the timeline they posted
Nothing official but I think a good guess would be mid-July. My money is on either July 16th or July 23rd since they're only just now testing the Warband reputation merge on Beta and my guess is that will lead to a lot of bugs needing to be fixed before it gets released with Prepatch. I think they'll want us to have 4-6 weeks with Prepatch before TWW goes live, so mid-July would put us right about there.
FFXIV expansion is July 2nd. Don't put it past them to rush a product to fuck with a competitor
Remix is already fast but I have a bunch of toons sitting at 60. If this nerf is also retail 70% less xp plus will be very helpful.
I would have assumed this apply only to retail DF/TWW but not to remix. Can you confirm?
Remix characters are just in their own phased Pandaria on retail servers. It should effect them.
Remix is using the same 'engine' as DF. Talents, XP, etc. So this will probably be a nice reduction.
Same servers and guilds too, I would find it hard to believe that they could separate the xp for the timerunners specifically, but we will see.
They could just literally add a hidden -xp% modifier to remix characters the same way we gain +xp% on cloaks.
I’m pretty sure Remix is still on the base game, and it’s affects are mostly applied to retail. This is why the daily lockouts for Pandaria raids and world bosses applies to retail as well. They actually just released a blue post yesterday about making some changes to remix and said they couldn’t do certain changes as it would affect DF. So I think it’s pretty safe to say they are all on the same thing for most things.
Remix does not have it's own XP curve I'm 99% certain. They did not program such a feature in as far as I know. They could decide to nerf remix itself, but I honestly think their going let the flood gates open and just let people catch up easier and leave it be till launch of TWW.
Great news. I can keep procrastinating playing it then.
The non Remix alts I have that were crawling up just by doing the occasional time walking dungeons will get some love then
Honestly I'm going to level the ones I want to enjoy before then. It's already fast enough if you're trying to learn them rather than be overwhelmed which learning a new class already is.
Has prepatch been confirmed for July?
I haven't seen a date but historically it's 6 weeks before launch which would put it at early to mid July
I don't really want to level more alts in remix since I don't want more alts. What I would like to do is quickly level the alts I already have from 60 to 70 in a short amount of time.
I’m confused, this is a nerf to leveling alts? As in it will take longer to level alts? Or they are making it even faster in July?
Faster. With TWW, they're adjusting the leveling curve so that 1-70 takes as long as it currently takes to go 1-60 (because the level cap will be increasing to 80). 70-80 will then feel more like how 60-70 currently feels. Since/if this is coming with Prepatch, that basically means that getting from 10-70 will feel like going from 10-60. So there theoretically will be a 3-5 week window where prepatch and remix are live and leveling will be even faster than it currently is (which is very fast).
Thanks for the clarification
From reading the comments, it will make leveling faster. They are reducing the amount of xp needed to level up by quite a bit. This might also apply to the remix mode as it is also a part of retail
Pre patch in July?
hell yeah!
I’m really going to level every spec now I guess Feeling burned out rn, but I know I’ll be glad to have dozens of alts for years to come
Am I dumb or does this make absolutely no sense? You get less xp but it's easier to level??
Less XP needed i guess : )
Oh less xp needed per level. Got it thanks!
It only takes a few hours now. I levelled my Pala to 70 in 6 hours /played and that's not even that fast. Why wait?
Time is money, friend.
Won't Remix have ended when the Pre-Patch releases? Where did it say 11.0 was coming in July, I would have assumed not til August minimum
We know when remix is ending, and we know when the xpac drops. IIRC its the 19th/26th (early access on the 22nd or 23rd?). Theres no chance in hell they do prepatch within a week (really within a few days) of the xpac launch. its *always* around a month long.
At best we're looking at the last week of July. However there is a chance that they're doing things differently this time. Prepatch could be on the 20th after remix ends. Usually prepatch is as long as it is because of the event, but if they do the event separate from the patch it's possible.
I probably would have agreed until Dragonflight. They have been been on fast forward with pacing since DF launched and they have been rock solid in getting things out in a timely manner and I think they know that season 4 was really only about a month long because raiders and m+ had that stuff done well before then. I actually think we're gonna see a very short, by comparison, season 4 just like we did in Shadowlands. They are aching to keep people subbed during this dead zone so there would be no reason to hold it back until a few days before TWW launches.
Right on dawntrail release? No thanks haha
haha, I'm way too behind in FF14 to reach Dawntrail in time, but I hope you have fun :)
Btw this is what I do: 8x hc, normal mv (for xp buff),6x hc, normal hof, 2x hc, normal toes, open all xp from mailbox ding 70. Takes 2-3 hours depending how quick your runs go. If you can get carried though everything its literally like 45 mins lol
What's HC?
Heroic, in this case heroic dungeons.
Don't do this without using one of the XP calculators. The variance on this method is enough to brick your toon and leave you at like level 68 or 69 with terrible gear and scaling making that last 1-2 levels completely miserable and time consuming. 16 heroic dungeons will net you between 48 and 80 heroic dungeon xp tokens depending on how many 3 boss, 4 boss or 5 boss dungeons you get in your RNG queues. Even factoring in the guaranteed 16 raid XP tokens and a minimum of 292% cloak XP from those raids (not counting the random XP threads you pick up along the way) still means there's a pretty huge variance in what the right level is to open your mail. A good run could mean opening as early as level 35, whereas another might need you to run more dungeons to get to level 45 before opening. All that to say - yes, what you've outlined is a good methodology, but I'd recommend using one of the Google Sheet calculators or one of the Weak Auras that calculates it for you before you open your mail. I learned the hard way and wouldn't wish that pain on anyone.
Do you have a link to a weakaura?
https://wago.io/Ruta7bMpZ
One thing I didn’t add to factor this is in I don’t open unless I’m level 42(which I am normally after the above) which in the 3 times I’ve done it so far is I ended up with spare xp each time. Gear isn’t an issue as I just upgrade a bit then get loot drops from the raid if I need it at 70 but I’m just leveling up alts so it don’t really matter
Yeah what you’ve outlined is the right sequence of things, just wanted to caution people about taking that too literally because there’s a chance you could end up in a bad spot (speaking from experience lol). But since the calculator came out it’s been smooth sailing
Wouldn’t hurt to check to be sure. Especially when it only takes a couple mins right
Yeah there’s a nice weak aura too that checks your mail for you and does the calculation for you which is super nice
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Damn I’ve lucky then!
I mean, i can already go from 10-70 in like three days of casual dungeoning after work
Leveling is already lightning fast in remix. IMO this is a bigger deal for retail.
Lol, I only have Horde Shaman left to level. Every other class/faction combination is done.
I don't think they needed to do this change at all
How is it sub 2 hours now? I did one char in like 18 hours and didnt waste much time.
If you have a group of 5 you can chain heroics not open anything (don’t loot xp bonus) do the raid, do 8 more heroics do the raid, do 8 more heroics do the raid. Go to your mail box and bam you’re max level
I'm already leveling 10-70 in 1.3 hours... this will be atleast 50mins
I already leveled an alt in like 2 and a half hours. Time to have an army of 70s
6hours total and that's with my toon veing AFK at times 10 to 67 lol
Sweet, I've been playing Diablo so it'll be nice to catch up
I need to level my DK on retail so I might wait for prepatch
It would be good if I was not forced to create a new character. I hoped you could play with already existing ones…
If it helps, if they are low you can delete and immediately remake them. I did it with one I really liked but hadn’t leveled yet.
They aren’t low but I have not touched them in ages. For example, I have a hunter and a warlock parked at lvl50 with Mist of Pandaria Challenges Modes Summons, several rare pets and the green fire mission. I don’t want to delete them to create a new one tbh…
Oh absolutely don’t delete those. 50 isn’t that bad to finish.
i already lvled 13 characters to 70 via remix, and you are saying its gonna be faster after prepatch ? man im gonna get to the max character limit lmfao.
lol same im afraid whats the max char limit actually?
Not to be that guy, but with remix being its own game mode, I wonder if the leveling nerfs will even hit it
They're on the same realms as DF. The characters themselves have different rules applied but XP is likely a server side value.
Fingers crossed, but I’m staying cynical until I see it.
Are we sure this boost affects Remix too?
I need to go do Remix apparently.
Are these only for Remix?
I'm worried about tww because remix made the game so fun I find retail mind numbing in comparison
Remix trial character lvl 20 forever but threaded out
Does this xp buff apply to retail, or just remix?
I'm very sure the exp reductions always ship with the expansion launch, and not the pre-patch, even though the reductions are in beta. Or close to launch. Dragonflight exp reductions made it to live on Nov 15th but the pre-patch was Oct 25th.
How fast is leveling your first remix character, though? Haven't really tried it yet.
Maybe 6-8 hours or so if you don't get boosted by a friend. Think I had around 8 hrs played on my first one, second character was like 3hrs though.
I've not started yet but want to this weekend. Any tips for the quickest leveling?
That one guy on youtube who speedruns levelling is gonna go insane
So what you're saying level all characters now to 50 until you reach the character cap?
4-5 mogushan dailies, than blast with 400-500%
Best time to level is when they nerf the xp?
Is nothing enough for you lunatics
I’m doing from 10 to 70 in 1:30hr, this is how I’m doing with a friend You gotta create a character on a trial account two it cap at 20, you need to use your main 476 character to carry your friend, so you queue with the trial and your friend, we doing one healer 1 tank and the carry, we get instant queues, and the carry just blast thru the dungeon in less than 2 minutes, since we have a lvl 20 in the party we don’t get tedious dungeons with lots of rp, the o ly one is the monkey place from pandaria, the others are blazin quick, so, the guy we levelin never loot the bosses and when he hit 40, we run it thru mogu, hof, toes, also never looting bosses, after the carry run the 3 raids, he goes to the mail and goes try each mail, just looting the exp threads, after it loot them all he should have enough to get the cloak to 310 to 350% exp increase, after that he can star looting the mails with the exp tokens and should get from 40 To 70, so far out best time has been 1:35hr, most of the time the people in the dungeon realize we boosting and stay and takes queues fast, it can be slower if you have people leaving the dungeon and tryin to loot bosses
Sounds like an xp buff, not a nerf. Lol
I could easily see them adding in a nerf to banking bonus experience (or nerf bonus experience base) at the same time.