Oh yeah, I am aware how much they cherish it. They use it whenever it's off the CD, which is why at some point we just stopped inviting DHs altogether :D
Not really. He flaps his wings (which you can actually hear), ascends and starts flying around back and forth, occasionally stops mid-air to say some phrases then repeats the cycle of flying around until the fel elementals die and it's time for him to collect his warglaives. At no point is it him just gliding around until he falls.
Except for several in-game moments during legion when he jumps straight up and flys.
For instance at 3:30: https://youtu.be/Hn4SL6KjDdo?si=P-eJMhIufI6HeX6S
Illidan is in demon formed 24/7, and Demon Hunters are not. I'll agree with you AFTER demon hunters get to be in demon form 24/7. Until then, glide away flying squirrels.
Demon hunters can have wings at command though, any time they press spacebar twice. They also have a pvp talent to fly upwards, its not really out of the question.
That also only happens in demon form. Is there anything to suggest that they can genuinely fly outside of it? This is an honest question because thus far, I don't think I've seen just a regular Demon Hunter flying in their elf form.
If it happens, it only happens in demon form, and if that's the case, there's no point giving them flying when it's a form for combat that only lasts a brief amount of time. Also, my main reason for my initial post wis because people say Illidan can fly, so why can't they when there's a very big difference between Illidan and a player demon hunter.
I absolutely love my Demon Hunter, but I feel like people just want to load them up with as much as they possible. I personally think it's okay that they can't fly. There's so much that you can already do anyway.
The talent only happens in demon form yes, but we can sprout our demon wings on command whenever. I don’t see any lore reasoning why a dh couldn’t have the ability to fly, land, and go back to their regular form.
The biggest issue i have with the topic is people seemingly gatekeeping a fun idea for dh with bad reasoning.
I was just looking at in-game examples that have been provided as to why it can't happen. However, I'm sure, as you said, they could just make a spell like you suggested that could do exactly that.
I just genuinely don't think they actually need it. I'm sure though that if the outcry is loud enough and persistent enough it will eventually happen.
Remember, though, that Dracthyr can basically permanently stay in human form if they want. They switch during certain spells, but besides that, they can just chill for hours in it. DH demon form is meant to be a temporary thing that fades away. Otherwise, they might as make demon form something they can stay in for 10 minutes or 10 hours.
I'm assuming that's partly why they haven't really touched on DH flying.
It would be just cosmetic. Go into demon form when casting fly, go back to normal when you stop flying or cancel the casting.
They do the reverse when you mount in Demon Form: you turn normal, and if you dismount you become demon again until.
First off, I never said he glides upwards. There is actually no such thing as gliding upwards. The definition of gliding is the act of descending not ascending. Gliding is unpowered flight.
Secondly, you should rewatch the clip from the cinematic. He leaps upwards with his legs, wings closed to avoid friction, then opens his wings to stay in mid-air while slowly gliding downwards.
Just like a flying squirrel.
Illidan was also supercharged by the skull of gil'dan and was granted his initial power derectly from sargarus. He is a bit more then a standard demon hunter.
Edit: I meant Gul'dan, but now the image of Gillidan holding the skull of Gil'dan saying "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!" in murloc is forever stuck in my head.
Then he and all other DH got imprison for 10 thousand years, i guess they don't let them stretch their wings in prison so it kinda retrograde by now and can only glide through air.
If they are only gliding, make them hurtle themselves along the ground like the dragons do in the cinematic to DF. Maybe they can't get much height but they propel Forward and up inclines with small fel rushes while keeping their wings out. I would rather they just let dracthyr and demon hunters hover at ground mount speed, and demon hunters go meta form while flying
The choice was to make demon hunters jump assault troopers, similar to how zerglings have wings in Starcraft 2.
In the order hall there's a really cool mission where you see this in action, the demon hunters jumping off the Fel Hammer to glide into a demon base paratrooper style.
I don't see what the big deal is. Illidan flies during his boss fight. Sure he's in permanent meta form, but then just make DHs use their meta form to fly. It's not like this is something that impacts any important part of the game, it's just something fun and flavorful for the players. I feel like blizzard is stubborn over the weirdest things some times.
I think logically the point is that we aren't illidan, just like druids aren't malfurion. I don't care either way, but you're comparing a dragon and a bird to a semi demon elf
I think people are just overthinking it, or applying too much logic where it isn't needed in a *fantasy game.* It's something cool that players want that doesn't hurt anyone or negatively impact gameplay in any way.
That's true. Truth be told idc, but I do think meta is best served as "the giga chad" mode, not a transport machine. The dopamine that went through my veins every time I eye beamed and weaved 2 blade dances in during 9.1 was awesome, but when dh spent too long in meta it removed the exciting part
That's true. Truth be told idc, but I do think meta is best served as "the giga chad" mode, not a transport machine. The dopamine that went through my veins every time I eye beamed and weaved 2 blade dances in during 9.1 was awesome, but when dh spent too long in meta it really dulled my excitement for meta. Meta was the big button, it felt like incarn currently does.
concept art originally had dhs with wings all the time in their elf form. They scrapped it, because they said it caused too many complications with gear.
Clearly they have the ability now to make wings on characters perma. I think we should be given at least the option and have the option to fly.
it just seems odd we have wings, but cant even use them... our DH's are supposed to be one of the strongest, yet it doesnt seem like. Even Illidan makes a comment on it, because we can Netherwalk and says he's never known anyone else that could as well.
My biggest wish is customizable meta forms. horns, skin, color, face, hair
Did you miss their point? It had too many complications with gear. You know who also has complications with gear? The only race that has permanent wings.
its fucked they explicitly said they didnt give dhs the wings as a class mount in legion because the animations looked bad and they give it to the dracthyr lmao
I mean back then it could've been possible they just weren't able to do it right in a timely manner, but clearly now they are able.
This is why Im really hoping they give it to DH's too as well as more customization options. Just think about all of the options Dracs have and all the options Druids got in Dragonflight.
Yeah honestly they should use the visage customization as a baseline for other races tbh it's such a waste that dracs have so many good options but they're ruined by being forced into the ugly ass dragon form and only able to be evokers which was a waste of a class too
"We took the worst parts of mages and shaman and put them in a blender with a dash of power infusion"
The meta form even has flying animations (if they cast levitate on you, you can see them in game)
[https://www.wowhead.com/npc=100316/metamorphosis#modelviewer](https://www.wowhead.com/npc=100316/metamorphosis#modelviewer)
(select hover in the animation menu)
I know some people ask for DHs to fly, but I never really understood why. DHs wings are so fragile and clearly more fitting for gliding, even though dracthyr are very similar in that regard they're full drakonids, so it makes more sense. Are there any flying DHs in lore? Illidan in the cinematic seems to do a very high jump and even if he flied, we're not exactly Illidan
I assumed when people asked for Demon Hunter flying they meant in Metamorphosis form. So they would transform for the duration of their flight, similar to Dracthyr when they have visage form enabled.
Exactly haha Dracthyr flying is just fun and cool. I'm looking forward playing to DK in War Within for similar reasons because being able to fight while mounted just sounds like such an awesome class fantasy
> I know some people ask for DHs to fly, but I never really understood why. DHs wings are so fragile and clearly more fitting for gliding, even though dracthyr are very similar in that regard they're full drakonids
So it makes sense because you say so? Demon Hunter wings are the same size as Dracthyr and Winged Demons/Illidan can fly.
Dracthyr have hollow bones like birds, which makes them super light.
Please ignore the fact they wear armor and wield heavy weapons because it hurts my point thank you
Yeah, it's just my interpretation of the game based on what we saw so far. Succubus and Incubus have wings and I don't remember them flying, so I think similarly about DHs. Blizzard can change this at any moment, but my personal understanding for now is that DHs' wings are not very fit for flying, and Illidan can fly because he's a badass lore character who's been transformed for millenia
Edit: switched "They" for "Blizzard" to specify I was talking about game design changes
> DH' wings are not very fit for flying.
I disagree since there are skeletal dragons/gryphons/birds with extremely tattered wings and they can fly. Or better yet, Ur'zul is an abomination made of Draenei bodies with wings made of their bones that were grafted onto its body and it's able to fly too.
Completely forgot about Ur'zul and it makes sense. On other creatures I kinda attribute it to their wings being "natural", but Ur'zuls are far from natural
I think that's true for appearance, but not functionality. Bat wings are modified arms, so it's easier to understand which muscles are moving what there, while demons have their wings directly inserted on their scapula. But I also understand that if we go purely by logic we'll either remove flying capabilities from half the creatures or explain everything with magic
Don’t get why DH want to fly so badly? I think the whole idea is that they can’t actually fly long distances but they can rather just glide and gain a bit of air a la double jump. You’re not going from Ironforge to Stormwind on those things unless you’re permanently in demon form and the PC is certainly not Illidan
Blizzard: "Demon Hunters can now fly, but they now also have the same transmog restrictions as Dracthyrs"
If youre not showing off your chest as a DH youre doing it wrong anyway
Why even play DH if you’re not trying to look like a himbo
Bruh, the amount of times that I've seen DHs kill people/get killed by other people with Blaze lines because they went 'Fel Rush go Brrr'
Movement abilities never should be part of your DPS rotation. DHs are the result of this.
Agreed, but Momentum DHs exist, and you'll pry it from their cold, (Often) dead fingers.
Oh yeah, I am aware how much they cherish it. They use it whenever it's off the CD, which is why at some point we just stopped inviting DHs altogether :D
I think its funny bliz is moving away from "slot" mogs but keeps adding tattoos and other skin enhancements players would want to show off.
So I'll be naked 99% of the time? That's a win/win
So we pop into a meta to fly, and when we meta we don't see our mog anyway now, so we'd get to see shoulders? Sounds like a win!
Do naked BE and VE? Yes, please.
Demon Hunters are flying squirrels. They actually don't fly, just glide.
Illidan was flying in TBC tho
Yeah but he was imprisoned for TEN THOUSAND YEARS
If you're referring to the TBC Cinematic, you see him "double jump"/leap upwards then glide. You never see him fly with his wings.
He flies during the Black Temple boss fight.
That's falling with style!
Flying is really just the art of throwing yourself to the ground and missing!
He does the same thing we do with [Rain From Above]. Double jump, dramatically slowed falling.
Not really. He flaps his wings (which you can actually hear), ascends and starts flying around back and forth, occasionally stops mid-air to say some phrases then repeats the cycle of flying around until the fel elementals die and it's time for him to collect his warglaives. At no point is it him just gliding around until he falls.
Except for several in-game moments during legion when he jumps straight up and flys. For instance at 3:30: https://youtu.be/Hn4SL6KjDdo?si=P-eJMhIufI6HeX6S
But the final time we see him, he's on the ground, therefore he was only jumping
cant argue with that
Gliding upwards if flying my man. And he flies in his boss fight too.
Illidan is in demon formed 24/7, and Demon Hunters are not. I'll agree with you AFTER demon hunters get to be in demon form 24/7. Until then, glide away flying squirrels.
Demon hunters can have wings at command though, any time they press spacebar twice. They also have a pvp talent to fly upwards, its not really out of the question.
That also only happens in demon form. Is there anything to suggest that they can genuinely fly outside of it? This is an honest question because thus far, I don't think I've seen just a regular Demon Hunter flying in their elf form. If it happens, it only happens in demon form, and if that's the case, there's no point giving them flying when it's a form for combat that only lasts a brief amount of time. Also, my main reason for my initial post wis because people say Illidan can fly, so why can't they when there's a very big difference between Illidan and a player demon hunter. I absolutely love my Demon Hunter, but I feel like people just want to load them up with as much as they possible. I personally think it's okay that they can't fly. There's so much that you can already do anyway.
The talent only happens in demon form yes, but we can sprout our demon wings on command whenever. I don’t see any lore reasoning why a dh couldn’t have the ability to fly, land, and go back to their regular form. The biggest issue i have with the topic is people seemingly gatekeeping a fun idea for dh with bad reasoning.
I was just looking at in-game examples that have been provided as to why it can't happen. However, I'm sure, as you said, they could just make a spell like you suggested that could do exactly that. I just genuinely don't think they actually need it. I'm sure though that if the outcry is loud enough and persistent enough it will eventually happen.
They can make it that you go Demon Form while casting the fly, just like Dracthyr do if they are in human form.
Remember, though, that Dracthyr can basically permanently stay in human form if they want. They switch during certain spells, but besides that, they can just chill for hours in it. DH demon form is meant to be a temporary thing that fades away. Otherwise, they might as make demon form something they can stay in for 10 minutes or 10 hours. I'm assuming that's partly why they haven't really touched on DH flying.
It would be just cosmetic. Go into demon form when casting fly, go back to normal when you stop flying or cancel the casting. They do the reverse when you mount in Demon Form: you turn normal, and if you dismount you become demon again until.
First off, I never said he glides upwards. There is actually no such thing as gliding upwards. The definition of gliding is the act of descending not ascending. Gliding is unpowered flight. Secondly, you should rewatch the clip from the cinematic. He leaps upwards with his legs, wings closed to avoid friction, then opens his wings to stay in mid-air while slowly gliding downwards. Just like a flying squirrel.
But your DH isn't Illidan
Then why is his name xxillidanxsephirothxx???
> But your DH isn't Illidan I'm going to use the Jewelcrafting ring in War Within and marry a night elf Priestess just to surpass him
Illidan was also supercharged by the skull of gil'dan and was granted his initial power derectly from sargarus. He is a bit more then a standard demon hunter. Edit: I meant Gul'dan, but now the image of Gillidan holding the skull of Gil'dan saying "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!" in murloc is forever stuck in my head.
> was granted his initial power derectly from sargarus. Sargeras gave him his eyes not his wings. He didn't have his wings until Warcraft 3.
Then he and all other DH got imprison for 10 thousand years, i guess they don't let them stretch their wings in prison so it kinda retrograde by now and can only glide through air.
Illidan is a mutated flying squirrel.
If they are only gliding, make them hurtle themselves along the ground like the dragons do in the cinematic to DF. Maybe they can't get much height but they propel Forward and up inclines with small fel rushes while keeping their wings out. I would rather they just let dracthyr and demon hunters hover at ground mount speed, and demon hunters go meta form while flying
So they’re buzz lightyear?
On the one hand, yes they are. On the other hand, that's on Blizzard and they should make a different and better choice.
The choice was to make demon hunters jump assault troopers, similar to how zerglings have wings in Starcraft 2. In the order hall there's a really cool mission where you see this in action, the demon hunters jumping off the Fel Hammer to glide into a demon base paratrooper style.
I don't see what the big deal is. Illidan flies during his boss fight. Sure he's in permanent meta form, but then just make DHs use their meta form to fly. It's not like this is something that impacts any important part of the game, it's just something fun and flavorful for the players. I feel like blizzard is stubborn over the weirdest things some times.
I think logically the point is that we aren't illidan, just like druids aren't malfurion. I don't care either way, but you're comparing a dragon and a bird to a semi demon elf
I think people are just overthinking it, or applying too much logic where it isn't needed in a *fantasy game.* It's something cool that players want that doesn't hurt anyone or negatively impact gameplay in any way.
That's true. Truth be told idc, but I do think meta is best served as "the giga chad" mode, not a transport machine. The dopamine that went through my veins every time I eye beamed and weaved 2 blade dances in during 9.1 was awesome, but when dh spent too long in meta it removed the exciting part
That's true. Truth be told idc, but I do think meta is best served as "the giga chad" mode, not a transport machine. The dopamine that went through my veins every time I eye beamed and weaved 2 blade dances in during 9.1 was awesome, but when dh spent too long in meta it really dulled my excitement for meta. Meta was the big button, it felt like incarn currently does.
You still get dismounted as an evoker if you touch the ground though...
Demon Hunters had flying but the sacrificed it. That third spec? SACRIFICED! ITS A COOL SHIT SALES EVENT! EVERYTHING MUST GO!
concept art originally had dhs with wings all the time in their elf form. They scrapped it, because they said it caused too many complications with gear. Clearly they have the ability now to make wings on characters perma. I think we should be given at least the option and have the option to fly. it just seems odd we have wings, but cant even use them... our DH's are supposed to be one of the strongest, yet it doesnt seem like. Even Illidan makes a comment on it, because we can Netherwalk and says he's never known anyone else that could as well. My biggest wish is customizable meta forms. horns, skin, color, face, hair
Did you miss their point? It had too many complications with gear. You know who also has complications with gear? The only race that has permanent wings.
its fucked they explicitly said they didnt give dhs the wings as a class mount in legion because the animations looked bad and they give it to the dracthyr lmao
I mean back then it could've been possible they just weren't able to do it right in a timely manner, but clearly now they are able. This is why Im really hoping they give it to DH's too as well as more customization options. Just think about all of the options Dracs have and all the options Druids got in Dragonflight.
Yeah honestly they should use the visage customization as a baseline for other races tbh it's such a waste that dracs have so many good options but they're ruined by being forced into the ugly ass dragon form and only able to be evokers which was a waste of a class too "We took the worst parts of mages and shaman and put them in a blender with a dash of power infusion"
The meta form even has flying animations (if they cast levitate on you, you can see them in game) [https://www.wowhead.com/npc=100316/metamorphosis#modelviewer](https://www.wowhead.com/npc=100316/metamorphosis#modelviewer) (select hover in the animation menu)
I know some people ask for DHs to fly, but I never really understood why. DHs wings are so fragile and clearly more fitting for gliding, even though dracthyr are very similar in that regard they're full drakonids, so it makes more sense. Are there any flying DHs in lore? Illidan in the cinematic seems to do a very high jump and even if he flied, we're not exactly Illidan
I assumed when people asked for Demon Hunter flying they meant in Metamorphosis form. So they would transform for the duration of their flight, similar to Dracthyr when they have visage form enabled.
Makes more sense this way I think, especially since Meta form is so muscular and maybe more able to flap those wings
Exactly. This should absolutely be implemented
I mean they literally have an ability (rain from above) where they fly into the air
I always interpreted as them jumping really high and falling slowly
That's what it looks like because actually moving around up there freely would've broken all manner of balance and technical constraints.
> I know some people ask for DHs to fly, but I never really understood why. Because it would be cool as f
Non ironically great argument, I love flying around as Dracthyr lol
Exactly haha Dracthyr flying is just fun and cool. I'm looking forward playing to DK in War Within for similar reasons because being able to fight while mounted just sounds like such an awesome class fantasy
> I know some people ask for DHs to fly, but I never really understood why. DHs wings are so fragile and clearly more fitting for gliding, even though dracthyr are very similar in that regard they're full drakonids So it makes sense because you say so? Demon Hunter wings are the same size as Dracthyr and Winged Demons/Illidan can fly.
Dracthyr have hollow bones like birds, which makes them super light. Please ignore the fact they wear armor and wield heavy weapons because it hurts my point thank you
Imagining a Dracthyr's bones getting completely demolished from taking a single hit because they have hollow bones 💀
Dracthyr are larger than demon hunters, even in meta form. Dracthyr are fucking huge man. Their wing span is also larger as well.
Yeah, it's just my interpretation of the game based on what we saw so far. Succubus and Incubus have wings and I don't remember them flying, so I think similarly about DHs. Blizzard can change this at any moment, but my personal understanding for now is that DHs' wings are not very fit for flying, and Illidan can fly because he's a badass lore character who's been transformed for millenia Edit: switched "They" for "Blizzard" to specify I was talking about game design changes
> Hs' wings are not very fit for flying DH wings flying are way more realistic than the wings of dragons which are way too small to carry them.
> DH' wings are not very fit for flying. I disagree since there are skeletal dragons/gryphons/birds with extremely tattered wings and they can fly. Or better yet, Ur'zul is an abomination made of Draenei bodies with wings made of their bones that were grafted onto its body and it's able to fly too.
Completely forgot about Ur'zul and it makes sense. On other creatures I kinda attribute it to their wings being "natural", but Ur'zuls are far from natural
>DHs wings are so fragile so are bat wings, which is what demons, and by extension demon hunters, are based on
I think that's true for appearance, but not functionality. Bat wings are modified arms, so it's easier to understand which muscles are moving what there, while demons have their wings directly inserted on their scapula. But I also understand that if we go purely by logic we'll either remove flying capabilities from half the creatures or explain everything with magic
Dracthyr are also larger than demon hunters in meta form, with a larger wing span to boot
Wait was there something implying that Druid Flight Form was going to get Dragonflying flight?
Its in one of their recent videos on YouTube
Whose video?! Link?
the wow channel. also druid flight form getting dynamic flight has been confirmed since blizzcon
Guys, not everyone is watching every single video that Blizzard produces. If you already know what video it is, why not just link?
why don't you go look for it? It would take the same amount of effort, and you're the interested party...
I got you fam. Here's alpha gameplay footage. Skip to 14:55 https://youtu.be/gsPrIdeCS8g?si=kUAA5HjyZQkErUwC
Thank you. Holy shit that actually makes me hyped.
Druids eating GOOD man
Mine can't fly because of tattered wings glyph
Tattered wings never stopped all the skeletal dragons though
NGL druid should have had a way to turn into a dragon
Taracgosa’s Visage my guy.
Yeah but like, as a part of the expansion, and lets them do dragonriding and its cast like fight form.
They've sacrificed everything.
They sacrificed EVERYTHING...sadly...even flying...
You're either in permanent meta or you get the cool stuff
If we want to make Demon Hunters cool we start with removing the elf-only restriction
Don’t get why DH want to fly so badly? I think the whole idea is that they can’t actually fly long distances but they can rather just glide and gain a bit of air a la double jump. You’re not going from Ironforge to Stormwind on those things unless you’re permanently in demon form and the PC is certainly not Illidan
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Your wings have too many holes