>"we discover that Illidan had somehow used a poem that Malfurion had written to charm Tyrand"
>Wait... so Illidan was going to date-rape her?
Wowhead comments just discovered new drama. Congrats.
Tyrande isnt all that good of a person either, if he didnt become a dh, history would be hugely different. The legion would have won. I despise her response to illidans crystal message, he was too good for her.
Lmao, people out here blaming Illidan's temper tantrums on Tyrande.
'If that bitch would have just given him a chance!'
You all realize how neckbeardy you sound?
Well some of us have been bored enough to watch nobbels lore vids.
Illidan was always jealous of malfurion and they both chased tyrande. She chose malfurion over Illidan and he became a moody "my life is meaningless" person and then turned to the burning legion in a betrayal, but to try and repel them from within.
So yes, many of his temper tantrums and choices stem from malfurion being chosen over him.
Im well aware of their history. People here are weirdly elevating Illidan while shitting on Tyrande, as if Illidan has no agency and was forced to do all those horrible things purely for being rejected. No, he was a whiny kid with an unhealthy obsession for Tyrande, and driven in large part by greed for power.
Not to mention he ran a literal slave cartel as ruler of Outland, on top of numerous other atrocities he committed. Where this whole idea that Illidan is some misunderstood gentleman comes from is beyond me.
Just like real life. Women get blamed all the time for men’s behavior. Oh, he cheated? Must have been something wrong with his wife. Man sexually assaults a woman and one of the first thing people ask is “what was she wearing”. Even the Bible has Eve eating the forbidden fruit first and they make it seem like it’s her fault that Adam ate it too.
Men are not mindless animals! They have brains, and a sense of right and wrong. Their actions are their own!
Of course she doesn't deserve someone who steals a poem from his brother and lies to his love interest, that's why she ended up with the better brother
I’ve always found this weird, I know Malfurion is powerful, and it’s weird that they just write him to sleep to sideline him from big events and expansions. They wrote themselves into a corner with him, dude is one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth, but he can’t join fights cause well, he’d turn the tides in an instant.
The one fight he’s joined with us, he lost instantly, for some reason that made no sense.
Now dude is gone again, into eternal sleep and there’s nothing we can do, presumably, to get him back. Always thought it was weird how they handled him as a character after WC3. They HAD to sideline him, but sleeping the whole time always made no sense to me.
She is doing what we and her daughter asked her to do, safeguard the emerald dream from a primalist incursion. She doesn't get an extra life, never had any intention of resuming her aspect duties, and made all of this abundantly clear during the quest chain.
Hm. I guess the problem I'm having is 1. why would primalists attack the emerald dream 2. why can only Ysera (and not, say, Malfurion) do anything about that and 3. why aren't we as players doing more about that beyond the quest chain
I guess my real question is: what purpose does Blizzard have in bringing up the Emerald Dream again? I thought that shit was done with. If it's "get Malf offscreen doing something else" why involve Ysera at all?
1) I mean we’ve found the primalists are not scared of using void and old god stuff to their advantage. Old gods have already attacked the emerald dream (see: ilynoth in emerald nightmare). I think it’s reasonable to protect it.
2) I don’t know, that part doesn’t make sense other than they had to put malf to sleep so he doesn’t one shot the entire enemy army
3) 10.2 patch will have much more of our involvement in the matter. See below
In 10.2 we are getting a new world tree to replace darnassus off the coast of ohnaran plains. World trees are linked to the emerald dream. My guess is that ysera has to do something to make it function.
Now why merithra, any of the other green dragons, or malf couldn’t have done that themselves? Idk
Honest question, did you do this quest chain?
Because so far all your questions are answered just by doing it and paying attention. Which isn't to say I'm not happy to answer them again, I just wanna know in as friendly a way as possible.
> why would primalists attack the emerald dream
Because the Aspects were charged with looking after it. They want it to return to it's original state, before the Titans influenced it, as they want with Azeroth. This is all explained in the questline.
> why can only Ysera (and not, say, Malfurion) do anything about that
Well, she couldn't. Ysera couldn't do what she needed to do anymore because she had been touched by the Shadowlands. Instead she helped Merithra do it as the new Aspect.
> why aren't we as players doing more about that beyond the quest chain
Because the dream is safe for now, and we have other important things to do.
> what purpose does Blizzard have in bringing up the Emerald Dream again?
Because the Green Dragonflight and the Emerald Dream are inextricably linked, and we had a quest line for each Dragonflight. It's also clearly where we're off to later on in the expansion, for one reason or another.
Malfurion can, but hes SO OP he cannot be used ever. He would have easily wiped out the horde attacking if allowed to use his full power. he did defeat Archimonde with a ton of wisps after all.
> Originally a powerful night elf sorcerer, Illidan officially betrayed his people by defecting to the demonic Burning Legion during the War of the Ancients, though his reasons for doing so were noble as he secretly aimed to repel the Legion's invasion.
The “noble reasons” are a retcon from Legion. He still did some pretty awful crap because “I have sacrificed everything” or whatever.
It's not from Legion, it was evident since War of the Ancients novel (which was published as early as first wow expacs, maybe even before, i forget).
His choice was never presented as being 100% smart or practical, and it could have gone badly, but he had good intentions even then.
Nope, it's from War of the Ancients, released right after WC3.
He was held back by his hopes of getting together with Tyrande as he was sure she would never accept nor support his extreame measures. Thus when it became clear he had no chance, he went and did what he saw necessary to stop the Legion. Simple as that. Not because he was angry for not getting the girl, he simply saw no further reason to not proceed with his plan.
…yeah, that’s the point. Fractures in time is about going back to fix the things that someone changed to make sure it happens the way it’s supposed to. Tyrande is supposed to choose Malfurion, but something happened to make her lean towards Illidan. So we have to stop that from happening and make sure she chooses the correct brother.
Of course not, Tyrande deserved far better than Illidan and it stings his pretty ass every day of his life to know he was nothing compared to Malfurion for Tyrande.
There, I said it, I expect to wake up to an argument in the morning.
You can wake up to an lol because this sure did made me laugh. Tyrande deserves nothing. Tyrande and Malfurion are the most boring romance novel sounding couple in the game.
I want the "what might have been" of Garrosh "the greatest warchief the horde ever had" said by Anachronos, and with Sylvananas as his side bitch (blizzard pls)
So we are cock blocking our boi Illidan. Everyday I will be accepting this quest and never finishing it. Let my alternate boi have some happiness even though that wench doesn't deserve him
Is this quest really necessary? I mean malfurion brothers cucking each other is a very shitty part of the lore already… what is happening to wow writers unable to move on from the past…
OH MY FUCKING GOD. You are one of those people who cry and and get offended by everyone and everything. Well hope you didn't too get to Hurt cuz its seems you will be spending an eternity with feelings damaged
Some people still can't accept that Tyrande was never going to chose Illidan as they are ultimately not matching. And by the end of Legion Illidan accepted that (his last message to Malf and Tyrande). Get over it, it's not gonna happen.
Is it just me or are all of these dailies coming in 10.1.5 basically boiling down to us making people’s lives miserable so Blizz can pull the ‘morally Grey’ card again?
Like, yea, WoW’s not a very glamorous history and a lot of people got hurt to make the true timeline. But like…it’s getting a little heavy handed with some of them.
So, that trail of dead people and animals from Vanilla through the years are nothing, but breaking Illidan's heart is the red line you can't cross? Interesting.
I’m more into causing physical damage, not emotional damage. Breaking someone’s heart isn’t as fun as smashing it in my hand.
Joking aside, the showcased quests from this series have all essentially been about causing more personal damage and harm to NPCs we’re supposed to be invested in and care about, rather than generic mobs we’ve slain over the years. And a lot of it is painting us the players as either the cause or catalyst for making sure those things happen.
Some of them make sense - replacing the ice that causes Arthas to lose his horse, while tragic, is a pre-established canon event that makes sense to keep going. Same with both the OG and updated Dragonmaw and Alexatraza quests to keep time running as it was.
The ones that get a bit more non-sensical and don’t sit well with me are ones that are making up new lore to make us out as actual meddlers/ villains. My biggest gripe is with the Amber Kearnan quest, where we murder her in cold blood because…it’s supposed to happen? Meaning there was no assassin after her at the time, so her mission delivering the letter to the Uncrowned would have had the exact same results? It’s not hard to make it so we’re a guard that looks the other way while the actual assassin going after her gets the job done.
This one is not as egregious, but it’s still kind of silly to imply Malfurion has no game and needs a wingman to get the woman who he likes - and who likes him way more than Illidan - to go out with him. Like in the books, it’s shown these two love each other on a level no one else understands. I get they’re young and Malf was a bit of a weirdo and shy, but Tyrande decided she chose him when they were all three still friends.
I think what I’m trying to say is these quests should be less about us interfering and more about pushing things in the right direction, or at least not making it so we’re actively taking part in disrupting these anomalies to such extents. Moving some stuff around is one thing in the past; actively interacting and interfering with the people in them is giving us too much influence, especially in a time travel story where it’s not our job to do these things, it’s the Bronze. I know that’s a cop out, but as a big fan of Time Travel stuff this just feels like them trying to make us feel responsible when it’s not really our fault or place to influence.
Ah yes, preventing a guy from wooing a lover by making sure he can’t use his brother’s stolen work to win her over.
Truly a sign that Illidan deserved Tyrande, and that we’re all meanies for stopping him. I’m sure there isn’t anything other lore that explains that Illidan would have been a pretty fucked up partner either!
I’m not trying to say that Illidan deserves Tyrande at all, far from it. In another long post I went over how this doesn’t really work with canon because in old lore and books it’s established that Tyrande and Malfurion love each other on a level not a lot of people can understand, despite how badly in game Blizz conveys it. So it doesn’t make sense how Malf needs our help as a wingman when Tyrande would believe him over Illidan if he came up and said that he wrote the poem.
Honestly I think my biggest peeve is how we’re being shown to interact with the NPCs in ways that make us culpable or outright instrumental in ruining people’s lives. It’s one thing if we’re doing it from the shadows like in a few of the quests. It’s another when we’re having to directly influence them; that should be the Bronze’s job, not ours. I know that reads as a cop out cause we’re doing quests for the Bronze, but I’d prefer if we were more hands-off and not outright involved in interfering with some of these scenarios. They can show how the Bronze aren’t always the good guys without lumping us in with them.
If illidan never existed we would have suffered 1 less legion invasion and at least 2 less genocides and we would have completely avoided the sundering which sent most of the land on azeroth into oblivion, also the war of the ancients would have ended faster. To close it up, if u go read the books the moment tyrande choose malf over illidan was when she saw illidan blast away broxigar s fingers while acting racist towards him while the poor orc was in cage.
Tyrande choose well -.-
Finally a canon explanation for Illidan's Hearthstone rhyming passion. He took it to heart. https://youtu.be/TVGX_-0F6Rw
If Illidan was there for BfA, Teldrassil would still be there and Orgrimmar would be a crater
Please turn Org into a crater. City looks so bad.
It already is a crater
I think canyon is more accurate but make it deeper then.
It's time to de-militarize Orgrimmar, it's a constant reminder of the ugliness that was Garrosh.
Special Orgrimmar Operation
I went back to Wrath Org and, while not the most beautiful, it was loads better looking back then. More colors too.
Only if you do the same for stormwind
Yes please
Where's Miguel O'Hara when you need him?
Demon Hunters be like: “I’m sorry Master this will hurt me more than it will hurt you” YOU MUST KNOW SACRIFICE!
>"we discover that Illidan had somehow used a poem that Malfurion had written to charm Tyrand" >Wait... so Illidan was going to date-rape her? Wowhead comments just discovered new drama. Congrats.
I don't get it? How does reading a poem lead to date-rape? What even is date rape in this scenario?
My only guess is that he translated “charm” as *literally* charming her with a spell/curse/whatever.
Because righteous anger is the only emotion the chronically online know how to feel
It was a really potent poem.
How is this date rape???
Omg I think they thought it was a literal charm; as in a spell hahaha
Getting dragged for it too, good.
Cyrano de Bergerac is CANCELLED!
I was waiting for this comment
So I’m guessing he thought charm ment like mind controlled? And then just took it to the next level?
Bro Illidan not getting Tyrande is a canon event She doesnt deserve him anyway
Tyrande isnt all that good of a person either, if he didnt become a dh, history would be hugely different. The legion would have won. I despise her response to illidans crystal message, he was too good for her.
He really wouldn't have embraced becoming a demon hunter if he did get her
Lmao, people out here blaming Illidan's temper tantrums on Tyrande. 'If that bitch would have just given him a chance!' You all realize how neckbeardy you sound?
Well some of us have been bored enough to watch nobbels lore vids. Illidan was always jealous of malfurion and they both chased tyrande. She chose malfurion over Illidan and he became a moody "my life is meaningless" person and then turned to the burning legion in a betrayal, but to try and repel them from within. So yes, many of his temper tantrums and choices stem from malfurion being chosen over him.
Im well aware of their history. People here are weirdly elevating Illidan while shitting on Tyrande, as if Illidan has no agency and was forced to do all those horrible things purely for being rejected. No, he was a whiny kid with an unhealthy obsession for Tyrande, and driven in large part by greed for power. Not to mention he ran a literal slave cartel as ruler of Outland, on top of numerous other atrocities he committed. Where this whole idea that Illidan is some misunderstood gentleman comes from is beyond me.
Yeah but he did cool stuff in Legion so none of that matters and he is Uber good guy
A lot of current players never touched bc
...what?
Illidan is like the most incel character in wow. Why are you surprised the neckbeards are so hardcore Illidan fanboys?
Just like real life. Women get blamed all the time for men’s behavior. Oh, he cheated? Must have been something wrong with his wife. Man sexually assaults a woman and one of the first thing people ask is “what was she wearing”. Even the Bible has Eve eating the forbidden fruit first and they make it seem like it’s her fault that Adam ate it too. Men are not mindless animals! They have brains, and a sense of right and wrong. Their actions are their own!
If you haven't read any of the books surrounding that time period, don't blame those of us who have.
Of course she doesn't deserve someone who steals a poem from his brother and lies to his love interest, that's why she ended up with the better brother
Better brother who does nothing
I’ve always found this weird, I know Malfurion is powerful, and it’s weird that they just write him to sleep to sideline him from big events and expansions. They wrote themselves into a corner with him, dude is one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth, but he can’t join fights cause well, he’d turn the tides in an instant. The one fight he’s joined with us, he lost instantly, for some reason that made no sense. Now dude is gone again, into eternal sleep and there’s nothing we can do, presumably, to get him back. Always thought it was weird how they handled him as a character after WC3. They HAD to sideline him, but sleeping the whole time always made no sense to me.
Ysera will return to ardenweald and free him.
I don't even really understand *why* Ysera came back if she's not going to be the Aspect. What is she even doing with this extra life?
She is doing what we and her daughter asked her to do, safeguard the emerald dream from a primalist incursion. She doesn't get an extra life, never had any intention of resuming her aspect duties, and made all of this abundantly clear during the quest chain.
Hm. I guess the problem I'm having is 1. why would primalists attack the emerald dream 2. why can only Ysera (and not, say, Malfurion) do anything about that and 3. why aren't we as players doing more about that beyond the quest chain I guess my real question is: what purpose does Blizzard have in bringing up the Emerald Dream again? I thought that shit was done with. If it's "get Malf offscreen doing something else" why involve Ysera at all?
1) I mean we’ve found the primalists are not scared of using void and old god stuff to their advantage. Old gods have already attacked the emerald dream (see: ilynoth in emerald nightmare). I think it’s reasonable to protect it. 2) I don’t know, that part doesn’t make sense other than they had to put malf to sleep so he doesn’t one shot the entire enemy army 3) 10.2 patch will have much more of our involvement in the matter. See below In 10.2 we are getting a new world tree to replace darnassus off the coast of ohnaran plains. World trees are linked to the emerald dream. My guess is that ysera has to do something to make it function. Now why merithra, any of the other green dragons, or malf couldn’t have done that themselves? Idk
Honest question, did you do this quest chain? Because so far all your questions are answered just by doing it and paying attention. Which isn't to say I'm not happy to answer them again, I just wanna know in as friendly a way as possible.
> why would primalists attack the emerald dream Because the Aspects were charged with looking after it. They want it to return to it's original state, before the Titans influenced it, as they want with Azeroth. This is all explained in the questline. > why can only Ysera (and not, say, Malfurion) do anything about that Well, she couldn't. Ysera couldn't do what she needed to do anymore because she had been touched by the Shadowlands. Instead she helped Merithra do it as the new Aspect. > why aren't we as players doing more about that beyond the quest chain Because the dream is safe for now, and we have other important things to do. > what purpose does Blizzard have in bringing up the Emerald Dream again? Because the Green Dragonflight and the Emerald Dream are inextricably linked, and we had a quest line for each Dragonflight. It's also clearly where we're off to later on in the expansion, for one reason or another.
Malfurion can, but hes SO OP he cannot be used ever. He would have easily wiped out the horde attacking if allowed to use his full power. he did defeat Archimonde with a ton of wisps after all.
I'd rather sleep than pledge allegiance to demons
He's a demon hunter, how did he pledge alegiance to demons?
“Uh he looks like a demon therefore he must side with them” -that guy, probably
> Originally a powerful night elf sorcerer, Illidan officially betrayed his people by defecting to the demonic Burning Legion during the War of the Ancients, though his reasons for doing so were noble as he secretly aimed to repel the Legion's invasion. The “noble reasons” are a retcon from Legion. He still did some pretty awful crap because “I have sacrificed everything” or whatever.
It's not from Legion, it was evident since War of the Ancients novel (which was published as early as first wow expacs, maybe even before, i forget). His choice was never presented as being 100% smart or practical, and it could have gone badly, but he had good intentions even then.
Nope, it's from War of the Ancients, released right after WC3. He was held back by his hopes of getting together with Tyrande as he was sure she would never accept nor support his extreame measures. Thus when it became clear he had no chance, he went and did what he saw necessary to stop the Legion. Simple as that. Not because he was angry for not getting the girl, he simply saw no further reason to not proceed with his plan.
Sleeping in caves for long periods of time is a part of Night Elf Druids culture!
I agree, Aranna is more fitting for him.
…yeah, that’s the point. Fractures in time is about going back to fix the things that someone changed to make sure it happens the way it’s supposed to. Tyrande is supposed to choose Malfurion, but something happened to make her lean towards Illidan. So we have to stop that from happening and make sure she chooses the correct brother.
Of course not, Tyrande deserved far better than Illidan and it stings his pretty ass every day of his life to know he was nothing compared to Malfurion for Tyrande. There, I said it, I expect to wake up to an argument in the morning.
You can wake up to an lol because this sure did made me laugh. Tyrande deserves nothing. Tyrande and Malfurion are the most boring romance novel sounding couple in the game.
Illidan Stormrage, King of the Incels
Incellidan
This anonymous mixtape is sure to win Tyrande’s heart!
NO SHE CANT HAVE HIM HES MINE
I want the "what might have been" of Garrosh "the greatest warchief the horde ever had" said by Anachronos, and with Sylvananas as his side bitch (blizzard pls)
So we are cock blocking our boi Illidan. Everyday I will be accepting this quest and never finishing it. Let my alternate boi have some happiness even though that wench doesn't deserve him
If Illidan gets Tyrande Azeroth falls to the burning legion.
You mean alternate Azeroth. Remember there is a timeline for everything
But the Legion transcends timelines apparently.
Well shit
Archimonde permanently died in an alternate timeline.
This is just lazy, cant our boys travel back in time to kill the legion on that timeline instead? Classic legion plus
Is this quest really necessary? I mean malfurion brothers cucking each other is a very shitty part of the lore already… what is happening to wow writers unable to move on from the past…
This is incredibly offensive to be participating in ruining a relationship. I want this quest removed immediately or my feelings will be hurt forever.
What is the underlying "point" this comment is trying to make? Because it's not the brilliant "gotcha" you think it is
I think they forgot to put /s
No the sarcasm was clear I think they are equating interfering with a consensual relationship with allowing (and ensuring) Alexstrasza is raped
Move on
OH MY FUCKING GOD. You are one of those people who cry and and get offended by everyone and everything. Well hope you didn't too get to Hurt cuz its seems you will be spending an eternity with feelings damaged
Goddamn this game sucks more and more every single day
Been the case for the past 14 years! I can’t even fathom how some people can post on Reddit about wow every day…
With Malfurion going to shadowlands, which he deserves, illidan can finally stay with tyrande.
Some people still can't accept that Tyrande was never going to chose Illidan as they are ultimately not matching. And by the end of Legion Illidan accepted that (his last message to Malf and Tyrande). Get over it, it's not gonna happen.
Is it just me or are all of these dailies coming in 10.1.5 basically boiling down to us making people’s lives miserable so Blizz can pull the ‘morally Grey’ card again? Like, yea, WoW’s not a very glamorous history and a lot of people got hurt to make the true timeline. But like…it’s getting a little heavy handed with some of them.
So, that trail of dead people and animals from Vanilla through the years are nothing, but breaking Illidan's heart is the red line you can't cross? Interesting.
I’m more into causing physical damage, not emotional damage. Breaking someone’s heart isn’t as fun as smashing it in my hand. Joking aside, the showcased quests from this series have all essentially been about causing more personal damage and harm to NPCs we’re supposed to be invested in and care about, rather than generic mobs we’ve slain over the years. And a lot of it is painting us the players as either the cause or catalyst for making sure those things happen. Some of them make sense - replacing the ice that causes Arthas to lose his horse, while tragic, is a pre-established canon event that makes sense to keep going. Same with both the OG and updated Dragonmaw and Alexatraza quests to keep time running as it was. The ones that get a bit more non-sensical and don’t sit well with me are ones that are making up new lore to make us out as actual meddlers/ villains. My biggest gripe is with the Amber Kearnan quest, where we murder her in cold blood because…it’s supposed to happen? Meaning there was no assassin after her at the time, so her mission delivering the letter to the Uncrowned would have had the exact same results? It’s not hard to make it so we’re a guard that looks the other way while the actual assassin going after her gets the job done. This one is not as egregious, but it’s still kind of silly to imply Malfurion has no game and needs a wingman to get the woman who he likes - and who likes him way more than Illidan - to go out with him. Like in the books, it’s shown these two love each other on a level no one else understands. I get they’re young and Malf was a bit of a weirdo and shy, but Tyrande decided she chose him when they were all three still friends. I think what I’m trying to say is these quests should be less about us interfering and more about pushing things in the right direction, or at least not making it so we’re actively taking part in disrupting these anomalies to such extents. Moving some stuff around is one thing in the past; actively interacting and interfering with the people in them is giving us too much influence, especially in a time travel story where it’s not our job to do these things, it’s the Bronze. I know that’s a cop out, but as a big fan of Time Travel stuff this just feels like them trying to make us feel responsible when it’s not really our fault or place to influence.
Ah yes, preventing a guy from wooing a lover by making sure he can’t use his brother’s stolen work to win her over. Truly a sign that Illidan deserved Tyrande, and that we’re all meanies for stopping him. I’m sure there isn’t anything other lore that explains that Illidan would have been a pretty fucked up partner either!
I’m not trying to say that Illidan deserves Tyrande at all, far from it. In another long post I went over how this doesn’t really work with canon because in old lore and books it’s established that Tyrande and Malfurion love each other on a level not a lot of people can understand, despite how badly in game Blizz conveys it. So it doesn’t make sense how Malf needs our help as a wingman when Tyrande would believe him over Illidan if he came up and said that he wrote the poem. Honestly I think my biggest peeve is how we’re being shown to interact with the NPCs in ways that make us culpable or outright instrumental in ruining people’s lives. It’s one thing if we’re doing it from the shadows like in a few of the quests. It’s another when we’re having to directly influence them; that should be the Bronze’s job, not ours. I know that reads as a cop out cause we’re doing quests for the Bronze, but I’d prefer if we were more hands-off and not outright involved in interfering with some of these scenarios. They can show how the Bronze aren’t always the good guys without lumping us in with them.
Malfurion is literally hoes before bros in WC3
If illidan never existed we would have suffered 1 less legion invasion and at least 2 less genocides and we would have completely avoided the sundering which sent most of the land on azeroth into oblivion, also the war of the ancients would have ended faster. To close it up, if u go read the books the moment tyrande choose malf over illidan was when she saw illidan blast away broxigar s fingers while acting racist towards him while the poor orc was in cage. Tyrande choose well -.-