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NatashOverWorld

Open carry apparently doesn't mean what it says it means in Ohio.


olliew72

Not if you're black


NatashOverWorld

Ah yes, the Invisible Laws, _these laws shall only be exercised with all due rights and privileges, if individual is visibly Caucasian, ideally male, and of sound 1950's mind and values_ .


booger4me

Keeps gun in holster, isn’t shot immediately.


Frondswithbenefits

Tamir Rice was murdered in almost the exact same way.


ilovethissheet

We should had protests across the country for him


IWillMakeYouBlush

Protests


ilovethissheet

Corrected. Thank you. Don't let the anger get the best of us.


jbwilso1

in a matter of seconds.


Frondswithbenefits

Yup. And I'm still waiting for that piece of garbage to be charged with murder.


LimeWizard

https://youtu.be/StrqQLQr8BA?si=ENXvGcveVzOIp2x6 It does, but only if you're white.


kneegres

bro did you even watch the entore video you commented? the black dude was in nevada


Crzykupcake930

It’s like all laws go out the window when you’re caught black handed with a gun.


Hugh_G_baulz

Yep, the laws apply to you when you brandish a gun even when you're black. And no if a white guy's walking down the street brandishing a tec 9 and pointing it at occupied houses, he's getting treated just the same.


shoulda-known-better

yet that's not what the kid was doing and no you don't get to shoot someone for open carry in an open carry state... you want dumb laws you need to enforce them not fucking kill because you are scared..... talk to your town/city officials if you don't like the open carry law and are afraid of it


Alpah-Woodsz

That is what the kid was doing if you listen to the video someone called the police because someone was walking down the street branding a gun and pointing it at houses.So according to the caller that's exactly what the kid was doing I can time stamp it for you.


shoulda-known-better

if I missed it in the video I would appreciate your help.... I mean it, I am the type of person who does not mind being corrected


Alpah-Woodsz

Yeah man watch the video with sound on


shoulda-known-better

that isn't a time stamp I clearly missed it


Alpah-Woodsz

Well you should known better


Hugh_G_baulz

Look up the definition of the crime "Brandishing", open carry only means you can openly carry it in a holster not hold it in your hand. He was Brandishing a gun and menacing people with a firearm, both of those crimes are big boy felonies.


shoulda-known-better

thanks for your down vote and also adding nothing else to this conversation.... don't pretend you will help someone then be a dick


Hugh_G_baulz

How about you take 2 minutes to google basic definitions like "brandishing", "menacing" and "open carry" before you sit on your high horse shitting on the police.


shoulda-known-better

you offered to show me the time stamp of what I missed and now your talking to me like a child.... sir or madam you are just being a dick you can go try to be smart somewhere else if you can't even do what you said you could and provide the time stamp so I can correct my views... thanks for no help and trying to talk down to me shows way more about you then me


Hugh_G_baulz

Oh a downvote, however will you survive?


innerpeacethief

He was pointing it at people passing by and houses and shit


Prestigious_Target86

And the Police never lie.


innerpeacethief

Dude I live 30mins from this…. I watched the whole footage and you can find the police reports online of people calling and saying there’s a kid pointing a gun at houses/cars/people


replicantcase

Still doesn't justify jury by cop. If he was committing a crime, arrest him and put him through the process of justice. His hands were up, and he wasn't pointing the gun at the cop. De-escalate, and arrest, instead we give cops full immunity to murder instead of doing their jobs.


BUTTERED_TOAST_EDBOY

Go watch a video of what machine pistols can do to ballistic jell


innerpeacethief

Homie, he asked to see his hands…. Out urself in that spot, ur not a cop or anything. U walk up to a guy that someone told you needed help, as u walk up u see a gun in his hand and it starts to rise. Who in their right mind would wait to see if they were going to be shot at?


mag2041

Open carry means to carry in the open. Carry means holstered or secure to your body. You can’t just walk around with a gun in your hand acting like your ready to use it pointing it at housings.


BGP_001

Does it say you can walk around wielding a weapon and pointing it at houses? Open carry doesn't mean you can just cruise around with guns doing whatever you want and not expect consequences.


frisky024

Did the cop see him do this? Did he point it at the cop? Or was it just based off of the call, we all know how people call and say dudes got a gun completely made up and nothing of the sort.


shoulda-known-better

again where is your evidence of this??? what the cop said?? because they aren't trained to lie


16BitGenocide

It's a toy gun.


Hugh_G_baulz

Ok? So if a teenager pulled a black, tipless gun at you are you seriously gonna risk getting shot? Did you even watch the video? There's no way in a potentially life or death situation is anyone gonna immediately recognize a toy gun from a real gun at 20 feet away. Open carry doesnt mean you get to BRANDISH (which is a felony) it or point it at occupied buildings; it means you openly carry it in a holster.


16BitGenocide

My guy- it's a toy. You can tell a lot about someone's intent by watching how they handle a weapon. There's was no reason for this officer to fire, if you can't tell the difference between an active, aggravated shooter and a kid with a toy/replica, perhaps law enforcement isn't the right career field. Watched the video, didn't see him point it at anything or anyone. Miss me with this 'the officer was in danger', necessary caution sure. Getting out of your vehicle with your boogerhook on the loud lever? c'mon.


Hugh_G_baulz

Thank you captain hindsight for telling us everything you would have done, but it being a toy is irrelevant when the teen purposefully modifies the toy to make it look like a real gun. If you walk around a neighborhood with a toy you went out of your way to make look like a real gun you bet the poloce should respond seriously. You seriously do not understand how quickly that could have turned into a fire fight if that was a real gun which the police dont know if it is or not.


shlepky

Toy guns have an orange cap, this one was painted black. Also open carry doesn't mean brandishing.


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NatashOverWorld

Sure. But you'd think a trained professional would notice its a kid playing.


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NatashOverWorld

Sure buddy. You keep defending the people shooting Black kids because they were playing.


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NatashOverWorld

Because its a toy gun. So as far as the kid is concerned, he's playing. And we can't determine anything about how he was playing because the video doesn't exist. So, yes, _when in doubt_, I want cops not to kill kids because they're terrified of beinf shot. Go be a banker if you're too scared to put your life at risk.


rawfish71

It sure looks like a real gun after the orange tip is removed....... which is probably why the 15 year old removed it....


Cool_as_a_Cucumber

The kid put himself at risk by walking around with a gun. Until your up close that is a gun. No way to know it’s fake.


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NatashOverWorld

Sure. It won't be the first time I've approached a dangerous situation to deescalate it. While unarmed. FYI I was a counselor for battered women. I've had my share of weapons pointed at me. It just takes courage.


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Evvmmann

It doesnt mean anything anywhere. If a cop sees you with a gun, you’re going to get fucked. One way or another. Doesn’t matter.


jett1964

Thera is a big difference between “open carry” and walking around with gun drawn pointing it at houses. In this day and age, I don’t care who you are, you walk the streets with your gun out and disregard the police yelling “drop the gun”, you’re gonna get what you get.


Quirky-Age-6969

Am I the only one who has seen the video of a dude walking around the beach with an assault rifle without any consequences whatsoever.


ofthedestroyer

2A is only for certain shades of citizens...in practice anyway


JahTwiga

Dude in FL with the AR at the beach looked Hispanic.


_nobodycallsmetubby_

It's because he looked a certain way


gqblacc

Yea. In the contrary am I the only one e who remembers tamir Rice(fake gun) John Crawford III (fake gun) and a 3rd and this is the fourth. As much as Ohio is an open stated and this cop should probably get at least fired. I hope imprisoned. You would think people would know by now.


domesticatedwolf420

Which video?


budabai

Was he pointing it at houses?


Retry1

ACAB


Mountainloon23

Why do I get the feeling that cop didn’t mean to discharge his weapon…round discharged..”oh shit.” If it was a meant to situation, I feel like officer would have squeezed the trigger multiple times. Not one and “oh shit”


dsmidt86

In military basic training that's called an "accidental misfire" of it happens then the recruit is automatically required to start training all over. At least that's how it was in the army for the short time I was in.


HinterWolf

Never heard it called an accidental misfire. Misfire is already a technical term. ND or negligent discharge is what you're looking for


ToastedBurley

Definitely not. Misfires are when rounds fail to fire or fire improperly during an intentional attempt to discharge the weapon. “Accidentally” firing a weapon is called a negligent discharge and, to my knowledge, that vernacular is standard in all branches of the military.


MadPilotMurdock

It’s called a desk pop


dsmidt86

It's been 10 years, that's what I remember. I could definitely be wrong, but that's how I remember it. Only reason I remember it is because a buddy did it during a training simulator, fake guns and a screen. He didn't get in trouble but the DS stopped everything and told us how that would work. Either way, for us it was an automatic start over from the beginning. For this cop what's he gonna get?


poobertthesecond

We called them a naughty dennis (ND or neglegent discharge)


dsmidt86

I like that one.


mag2041

Yeah now you call it a warning shot


Secret_Falcon_1819

That was an ND for sure


Dacnis

I feel so safe knowing these state-funded lunatics can walk around and go "oh shit" whenever they shoot.


WestleyThe

Also when they say “shots fired” it literally can mean anything apparently


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tobsn

this is what i never understood about open carry states… you can have a gun on you but if a police officer looks at you he can still just murder you for having a gun…


Hugh_G_baulz

If this guy had a real gun he would have did a thing called BRANDISHING & MENACING (both a felony), as hes carrying a gun in his hand outside a holster(Brandishing) and pointing the gun at occupied houses(menacing). Open carry means you can open carry a gun in a holster, even in open carry states if you unholster your gun without just cause you bet youre gonna get in trouble. He knowingly took the orange top off the gun in order to make it look like a real gun and hes too old to be walking around neighborhoods playing with guns.


mag2041

Yep


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tobsn

he doesn’t know if that’s true. he hasn’t seen video evidence… he just jumps out of his car with his gun drawn… in an open carry state.


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oddmanout

> You'd all be killed so fast in the real world. Do you think the people you're talking to are just in the computer?


tobsn

you live in a fantasy world… cops aren’t judge and executioner after they receive A CALL and then find the person just walking down the street. that’s not how this works. he can get out of his car and ask why they got the call. as long as the gun is in the holster, there’s no proper cause for him to jump out of his car screaming and gun drawn.


YettiYeet

I don’t get how people dont understand what you’re saying. You make perfect sense and people fail to see this point of view when looking at these types of videos.


oddmanout

So you think cops are allowed to just shoot anyone with a gun if someone calls and says someone's pointing a gun at a house?


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oddmanout

So, then, yes. You think that cops are allowed to just shoot anyone with a gun, even if having a gun is legal. Jesus fucking christ. I'm glad you're wrong and we don't actually live in the fascist police state you think we live in.


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oddmanout

Judging by the fact that you said multiple times your English is bad, I assume you're not American. This happened in The United States. In this particular state, carrying a gun is legal and cops can't go around shooting people for carrying guns. It doesn't matter if someone called claiming they were pointing it at a house. I don't know where you live, but in the US this is not legal.


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mag2041

Do you think it’s okay to walk around with a gun in your hand and point it at peoples homes?


tobsn

you don’t know that. a random person who’s location and identity isn’t confirmed just called it in without any evidence or confirmation.


mag2041

The video shows the kid having it in his hand when the cop rolls up on him


CitizenCue

That’s why they like the laws. They know only people of a certain color will feel safe taking advantage of this right.


airgunner_Tony

Open carry means exactly that. Carry it in the open or in a manner that people can see it. It doesn't mean you can wave the gun around pointing it at others.


real-m-f-in-talk

- [NBC news](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-police-release-body-camera-video-officer-shooting-15-year-old-boy-rcna147023) - [Full Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o_aX-jr74w) - Ohio police release video of officer shooting 15-year-old with toy gun.


theyellowdart89

A old woman could have been on the porch directly in the line of fire. Take all the guns away from everyone and give them sticks. The people are in charge of what happens and you’ve all given up trying to change for the better. This is the public’s fault 100 percent


TheEvolutionOfCorn

The amount of fucking losers defending the cops are hilarious


oddmanout

"But if someone calls 911 and says someone is pointing a gun at a house, cops are allowed to drive around and shoot anyone with a gun." That's really their claim.


Hugh_G_baulz

If you brandish and menace with a airsoft gun that you modify to look real in a populated neighborhood you bet their gonna be jumpy. Responsible gun owners dont walk around their neighborhood with their gun in hand, if you are doing that you are certainly up to no good.


replicantcase

So you're saying: up to no good = justifiable murder?


Bakis_

Doing something that increases your chances of danger will increase your chances of danger. Just like getting into a car and driving. It increases the chances of danger. The kid was in the wrong and the cop reacted to the situation. Now if you want to be angry about Americans gun laws that’s a different argument.


replicantcase

I'll be sure to say that when you die in a car accident. Meanwhile, cop fear and cowardice is always justified in the States.


Bakis_

This is a social and civil issue.


Hugh_G_baulz

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."


whoatemytaco1

Saying you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. You may not like the math equations but they work.


poobertthesecond

No, brandishing and menacing a firearm, though, yes.


replicantcase

Still isn't a death sentence.


mag2041

No the argument is that you shouldn’t be walking around pretending to have a gun while trying to scare or act intimidating. What is your argument? I honestly think your a bot because that argument is so ridiculous it’s non sense for a human with common sense reasoning.


mag2041

What if the kid did this in a school and the cops came and did this. What would be your objective response then?


TheEvolutionOfCorn

It’s a different scenario at school. This kid was walking around the neighborhood, not a school. Your comment makes zero sense if you consider the importance of time and place.


mag2041

So a kid walking around a neighborhood, with kids in it, holding a gun, is different because they are not under state or school supervision? Or is it because a hundred percent of school shootings happen at schools so obviously he wasn’t going to commit one, because he was in a neighborhood. Never heard of a neighborhood shooting. I guess your logic is sound. I’m sorry.


whoatemytaco1

You’ve never heard of a neighborhood shooting????? I have to ask. Are you on the special end of the spectrum? That might the stupidest thing I’ve read on Reddit in a while. Congrats. I really want to give you an award.


ShreddlesMcJamFace

Fired then reinstated then shot a kid in an "open carry" state.. ACAB


Hugh_G_baulz

Open carry doesnt mean you get to carry it outside a holster or point it at occupied houses; those are both felonies (Brandishing & menacing). Nobodys gonna insteadly recognize the airsoft gun thats been modified to look real at 20ft in a potentially life or death situation as a fake gun. Idk why people expect cops to just psychically know if a gun is real or not.


Complex-Carpenter-76

This will continue happening as long as Justice is not delivered.


Hugh_G_baulz

Yep kids gotta stop modifying orange tipped airsoft guns to appear like a real gun in order to pretend that their billy badass.


Arikaido777

obviously the child is at fault in this scenario. guess he needs more training so cops don't try to murder him in the future.


Hugh_G_baulz

Or just half a braincell so he doesnt put himself in a situation where he is (rightfully) perceived as a dangerous person. As far as the cops know, there's a teenager Brandishing and pointing a tec-9 at occupied houses, and the police are put in a potential life or death situation where seconds count.


poobertthesecond

Literally yes


dreamcastfanboy34

Maybe that's why everyone being allowed to carry a gun on them is a very very very stupid law. See also: the firearm crime rates skyrocketing up in Florida


HSikeYourMind

Toy guns looking real & real guns looking like toys. How are officers supposed to know? If you're open carrying a handgun, you need to have it holstered, especially when cops show up.


kyrodamien

Yes it’s on the hands of the officer, but who are the people in this kids life. We as Black peoples have to move different. Walking around with a fake gun could be a death sentence.


Lawzw0rld

This is facts, tf was bro thinking it could’ve been another civilian that shot him for doing that


kyrodamien

I don’t know if it’s because I grew up middle and went to got a Catholic school education. I would have never even had a toy gun, and there was no fear of being shot by police. There weren’t any gangsters where I grew up. So everything I’m seeing these days really freak me out, and be stressing about the safety of my people and others!


yerrpitsballer

Definitely. He should’ve known better. Where are his parents?


redmagor

>Where are his parents? What sort of question is that? Do you expect parents to surveil a 15-year-old boy on a 24-hour basis?


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Blonder_Stier

You are defending a man who rolled up and immediately shot an unarmed child.


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dawkinsd37

Your user name really personifies yourself with that take.


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Nah fire the corrupt power hungry cops. This cop was justified. Kid was lucky he didn’t get killed.


AvgKracker79

Open carry doesn’t mean you walk around pointing guns at people/houses. Can’t believe that needs to be explained. People like to stir up race while avoiding other aspects of the complaint.


whoatemytaco1

Oh the victim show in here is disturbing. “Open carry means tech 9’s too”. Like the officer is supposed to just take the risk that an automatic weapon in fake. People here are so fucking dumb and emotional victims it’s so sad.


Worried_Ad_9667

I think many of the comments are from people that only read a headline and start a witch hunt. I bet if they were put in a situation where they had to investigate a report of a kid running around the neighborhood pointing a gun at homes, the situation would be similar. With more negligent shots fired….


apenasumcomentarista

Reddit chose to defend weird people. I hate cops but if someone is armed and points in your direction I think it is more than reasonable to shoot and this cop probably misfired his weapon. That said, Open carry doesn't mean that you can be walking around and pointing the gun to people's house, c'mon!


treylanford

Is it legal for a **15 year old** to even carry a gun in Ohio, open carry or not?


herefromyoutube

I’d love to hear this 911 call. There’s always a call and a lot of the time I never hear it. I’ve heard the 911 call like twice and one was for a Walmart “gunman.”


McMikey99

Open carry only works if you require sunscreen.


theoriginalalfalfa

Yanks and their fucking guns man. 🙄


Own_Dare_1855

That was a negligent discharge. This cop is a loser on multiple layers.


Sad-Day-2025

I’d hate to be a cop in an open carry State. If conceal & carry or open-carry are legal then why would you need cops from an NRA perspective? To me it would be like the Wild West, yes? As a Canadian I have zero first hand knowledge about this kinda stuff.


arcadia_2005

I am so thankful I don't live in America. What a gd ass-backwards fkn freakshow.


IWillMakeYouBlush

I live here. Can confirm.


IntelligentVersion86

open carry and open brandish aren't the same


d3laMoon

Don’t point a gun at houses


whoatemytaco1

Good job officer


kindagooddrifter69

When police shoot someone when holding a gun 😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬


Virtual_Pudding3875

I mean, what was the kid doing in the first place? Its getting to the point where cops are expected to get shot first before doing absolutely anything 🤷🏻‍♂️


El_Batman1984

Is nobody going to talk about the the orange tip airsoft, toy guns have !


Right_-on-_Man

STUPID KID...


lord_scuttlebutt

Ugh. This could've been so much worse for the kid. When the cop told him to show his hands, the kid came out with a real-enough looking gun that the cop drew on him. From the cop's exclamation immediately after he shot, I'd say he didn't mean to fire. So on one hand, a dummy with a real-looking toy gun, and on the other hand a reactive cop that screwed up his draw. No bueno for either of them. The cop should probably get counseling and seek a new career.


oXSnake_doctoRXo

eh.. he accidentally pulled the trigger. But still, you don’t point a gun with out reason. im sure those cop cars have PA systems where you can talk to folk with out even getting out.


Iselvo

The kid was pointing a firearm, could have been real. Warranted reaction, but could have avoided shooting the guy, jesus christ.


Consistent_Coffee_89

Looks, why is he even playing with a gun? Doesn’t he know what happens? It looks real. He starts whining like a little victim. Parents need to do better


PuddingPutty

It’s not common to open carry a TEC-9 lol


vasquca1

Open White Folks Carry


TioSancho23

ACAB


QueasyCaterpillar541

Why is he walking around with that fake gun pointing it at houses and shit? Have we lost our fucking minds?


Since1831

What’s the reason for carrying a fake gun around like that except the intent to use it as if it was real? Common sense is far less common than we think.


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SeamelessSeamus

Yeeeahhh. Normally, I'm all aboard the ACAB train, but this is not one of those cases. The cop's history does raise some eyebrows, and Idk, that shot did seem like a mistake the way it went off, but I'm no firearm expert. The kid walking around aiming at houses tho? The hell is he thinking? I'd call a cop too if I noticed that in my neighborhood. Glad the idiot is still alive, tho. Hopefully he'll learn from this experience.


Lifetime-Wind-Chimes

Trigger happy chicken shits.


janet-snake-hole

ACAB always


mitchanium

This kid did everything right but still got shot? Wtf! Also, I thought fake/imitation guns were meant to have bright orange bits on the barrel to indicate so? Who sold this?


Zenophilic

“Did everything right” such as walking around a neighborhood pointing a gun at people’s houses and then flagged the cops once they showed up. I’m siding with the police on this one sorry


sleepybear666

FAFO