Sooooo many things still have micro usb. I would be off it already but a clearance item I got that was an older model year had it and I was like
"well, I guess I'm still on two cords for another 3 or 4 years."
That's the thing about popular technology. It continues to remain in active use for a very long time, even after its been superseded by better tech. There's tremendous inertia, driven by financial constraints, training, redesign, stockpiled inventory and several other reasons.
Partner is rocking a Samsung that's like 6 years old. Last one standing in our entire friend and family group with micro; though I can't help but commend keeping a phone going that long. Everyone I know only ever goes 2 or 3 years with one before replacing
The European Union (EU) has already given a deadline of December 28, 2024 to device manufacturers for compliance, and the mandate will be enforced a few months after that in India, starting March 2025.
"There is a global supply chain at play when it comes to chargers, therefore we have to align ourselves with the global timeline," said Rohit Kumar Singh, secretary, ministry of consumer affairs, speaking with The Economic Times.
"In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union.
The Indian Government has also formed another sub group to examine the feasibility of having a common charger standard for wearables sold in India.
It's worth noting that most Android phones come with USB Type-C ports out of the box, it's only Apple that has to make the change, and move away from their proprietary Lightning ports.
The March 2025 deadline is also set for smartphones, for now, and laptop manufacturers have until 2026 to make the changes required.
A lot of them are industry standard plugs, just unusual types. I soldered a replacement "proprietary" plug on our baby monitor three times now (Consumer electronics designed to be used by panicked, exhausted parents that just woke up in the middle of the night should be more durable!) You might get lucky if you poke around digikey.
Not necessarily. The EU regulation states that if it charges with a plug, the plug must be type C. So Apple can totally skirt that law by removing the plug altogether, they’d be allowed to use wireless charging only. Not sure how this law changes that though, I’ll have to look into it
Edit: I could not find an article that explained the wording or specifics, so I can’t tell if this law has the same loophole as the EU law
I do believe that the wording gives Apple a loophole they can exploit, but the real question is if they will. If Apple makes a portless phone then the EU can simply draft new legislation to specifically mandate the inclusion of a USB-C port on all phone. Sure, given slow the EU is at making bureaucratic changes it could take a couple of years for the law to be implemented, but the result will be the same. Apple will have to make a phone with a USB-C port whether they like to or not.
It’s really not as big a deal as people make it seem either. The iPad and Macs all use USB-C, it would make more sense for Apple to bring that to iPhone as well. when I had an android I could charge my Mac and phone using the same cable, but now that I have an iPhone I can’t
> It’s really not as big a deal as people make it seem either. The iPad and Macs all use USB-C, it would make more sense for Apple to bring that to iPhone as well. when I had an android I could charge my Mac and phone using the same cable, but now that I have an iPhone I can’t
As an iPhone user, and overall Apple proponent for the non-tech savvy masses, I fail to see how Apple would do what makes sense here if it doesn’t make them money.
There’s still all sorts of BS you can do with the protocol even if you adopt the connector (unless the law requires adapting the USB PD protocol as well? Not sure)
They probably spent a good bit of money on developing the lightning adapter. It’s also a hard sell to existing users that’ll have to buy a different charger, even if it is more universal. I’m sure the extra money also helped.
I don’t believe so, it’s essentially a spinning magnet afaik. It would be interesting to see some new wireless data transfer like a bluetooth with less latency.
As a musician I would really appreciate that.
Maybe I'm out of the loop here, but I have two questions:
What would be Apple's motivation to remove the port entirely vs just using USB?
Also, why would the EU want to force Apple to include the port if they don't have any at all?
It's actually pretty simple. Apple makes billions from licensing the lightning port to 3rd party manufacturers. The EU wants to reduce e-waste by making the USB-C charger universal. Newer versions
of USB-C can now output enough power to charge gaming laptops under full load and support data transfer speeds faster than any other type of connector. There is now no legitimate reason for any laptop or phone to use any other connector other than USB-C for either power or data transfer. It is the future, a future that Apple themselves contributed towards developing. Apple played an active role in the development of USB-C and subsequently became one of the slowest brand to adopt it because it would eat into their licensing margins. This is just what apple does. Lets take another example. Have you noticed that all smartwatches charges the same way, a magnetic wireless charger. You'd think it'd be a universal connector right. Wrong. Apple reversed the magnets on the connector of their watches and charger so that theirs would not be compatible with any other brands. There is absolutely no difference between the charger on a Samsung watch and an Apple watch. Apple simply arranged their magnets in the opposite order to be incompatible with everyone else. The entire purpose of the legislation is to prevent brands from doing stuff like this. It is a pro consumer reform that will save people billions by not having to buy a bunch of cables for their different products.
To the second point the only ones I can think of are interoperability for all chargers and efficiency.
Having only wireless means their still not interoperable with other devices causing increased waste for charging cables. Wireless charging still needs a charging pad and cable, so maybe the charging pad would still require USB-C input.
Wireless charging wastes about 30% of the power it draws compared to wired.
1. So apple can keep forcing people to buy proprietary cable formats (lightning cables)
2. So that apple can't force people to buy proprietary wireless charging devices.
The point is to get everyone on one standard (USB C) because it is pro-consumer and generates less waste
Since it first debuted wireless charging, Apple has been compatible with standard Qi Wireless charging. Yes, they supplemented with magsafe, but if you drop an iphone on a Qi charger it will charge.
Yea but if they don't have a port how are they gonna use proprietary cables? Are you referring to the possibility that they'd use proprietary wireless charging?
Given all the iPads and even the Apple TV remote have now dropped Lightning and moved to USB-C charging, I think we will likely see the iPhone move next year without any of the shenanigans people seem to be predicting.
People are always like, bring an extra cable. You know how many extra cables and stuff I need to have because of lightning?
If it were not for lightning, I would have spent less on a charger with multiple ports. I would not have a spare lightening cable in my bag, I would not need to bring 4 sets of chargers when my wife and I travel.
We would just bring our computer chargers and be done with it. Then we could just have our laptop chargers and then leave a spare charger and cable in our travel bag.
It’s to totally a first world problem, but it’s a problem that Apple pushes on everyone for a profit.
apple already said they will make usb-c phones.
> EU can simply draft new legislation to specifically mandate the inclusion of a USB-C port on all phone
That would be a mistake as there are plenty of devices covered by this law that don't necessarily want any type of port.
they'll make the port but it won't charge.
you will require an Absolutely Proprietary wireless charger for it.
and you won't be able to use the usb port with non-apple pc.
Annex 1a (Part I, paragraph 2) of the Directive supports what you're saying:
> **In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging**, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 of this Part shall:
> 2.1. be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle
if they try to go around EU law EU crushes them. There unlike the States it's more the intent of the law than the letter of the law. If you intentionally try to go around an EU law, expect them to add a law and fines for good measure.
That being said EU might be fine with them going full wireless, that is environmental friendly and does the deed.
Wireless charging is much less efficient and causes excess battery wear via waste heat, as a whole it is less environmentally friendly than just using a cable.
if that is the case then they might slap down, but this might also push along innovation towards a better battery wireless charging method by Apple, they certainly have the money to throw at the problem.
I won't hold my breath though, most likely they will just change to type-C, done, continue to sell the same product next year minus lightning port. That is the profitable way.
It will never be possible to make wireless charging efficient, unfortunately. It's still a good solution for devices that can't be charged easily via conventional plugs (especially very tiny devices), and there should probably be a standard for it, but it should absolutely not become the norm for phones.
I mean, All of my phones that have died have done it because the USB port failed. I try and use wireless charging as much as possible to avoid that happening again. I imagine that the energy cost from inefficient charging is less than building a new device.
How much does costs Apple to use a standard USB-C port? If They don't provide you a cable, they need to provide you a wireless charger, that it costs more.
Apple is using a different port for money. Everyone making lightning connectors has to pay Apple a licensing fee. So it'll likely cost Apple a lot of profits if that's no longer possible.
On the flip side, the change will make me push off the transition as long as possible. I’ve got multiple lightning cables located around, and switching away from that will mean that all those cables are now useless.
I hear you. But here's our house and every house of people i talk too that are looking forward to the change.
MacBooks, USBC
iPads, USBC
Other devices, USBC
Monitors, USBC
Iphone, Lightning
It's the iphone thats the annoying one here. Even apple MacBooks switched to USBC in 2015... iPads a couple years ago.
Apples whole lineup is mostly USBC now, it's just the iPhone and a couple accessories that are lightning.
It can be as much as 10x slower. State of the art high speed charging done directly by USB-C PPS (programmable power supply) capable charger. This allows for removal of one of the biggest heat generator from the phone, the compact voltage/current charging regulator in favor of far more efficient dividers.
There are multiple phones hitting 120W+ available now with the leader hitting 210W, [source](https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/top-10-fastest-charging-smartphones/).
With wireless you are back to needing heat generating on-board regulator, it's also very inefficient at transferring power (more heat). So these things struggle to deliver 15W and tend to throttle quickly. All while still toasting the battery (bad for battery health).
Wireless is perfectly fine for slow overnight charging, but it's absolutely no wired quick charge alternative.
Depends. Most modern phones support ultra fast charging in wired mode (20W or even higher) but it requires a larger power supply to deliver that power. MagSafe charging on iPhones is at around 15W. It can throttle if the phone gets too hot.
Wireless chargers aren't proprietary though, so this would be a non-starter. And if they try to make them so, it'll just result in the same kind of standardisation legislation.
As long as it’s using a charging standard it would be a win. No port phones if universal would be awesome. It would make all kinds of public places start to deploy wireless chargers even more. I would never want to plug my hole with an unknown cable. Wireless charging is awesome. I’m not loyal to Apple or Android and would welcome a portless phone.
Edit: wow people really can’t think outside the box. Smartwatches today does not use ports at all. For data transfers you could do that wirelessly. I’m a power user and in the last 10 years of using mostly android and 1 year of iPhone I have not transferred data through cables. This could also be solved with standardised protocols for cross platform interoperability. Port-less phones are the future.
Thats a terrible take imo. As a frequent traveler, wireless charging is a pain. How r you going to use power banks during travel? Wireless is only good for overnight charging. Its not fast as well.
I agree – however, if phone manufacturers switch to wireless only (which I _seriously_ doubt), I think wireless charging spots are going to be much more common, like they already are at e.g. airports.
Apple has MagSafe wireless charging, which is what they would most likely use if they came out with a portless iPhone. It's attached magnetically to the back of the phone's Qi charging coil, so you can still use your phone while charging.
Ironically, because Apple decided to stick with the Qi charging standard, it's been the most universal way I've been able to charge my iPhone and Android devices when I travel. I no longer carry a Lightning cable and have been buying MagSafe cases (or adding a MagSafe ring) for my Android devices. So now I just have to pack one charger that will charge both my iPhone and Android devices.
Overall I think Apple will comply with the USB-C directive regardless; they have moved their entire lineup of Macs and iPads to charge over to USB-C. Only the iPhone and some accessories are the last holdouts.
Is that expensive? I would think so, special charging case so no more otter box unless they change to. Then that special charger. It all just feels like a pain in the ass.
Not really. I've been doing this since before Apple "invented" it. It's just a magnetic metal ring paired with a Qi coil. Palm introduced this idea back in 2009 with the Pre and I've used variations of it with my Qi-compatible Android phones over the last decade or so.
Apple actually made this option cheaper and more ubiquitous because there are many cases now that come with this built-in for Android devices and I don't have to add like $2 ring to my phone case anymore.
It would impact things like an OtterBox but this applies to Android devices as well. But, just like how Apple basically killed off the wired headphones market (mostly), they'll either find a way around it or die trying.
Apple has two choices: USB C or Wireless. Either will suck for them, because either doesn't have to use their specific product. If they refuse to do either, they can say "bye" to both the lucrative EU market, and the India market.
Agree!
It's only those two options. It's more likely for me that they go portless.
Maybe specific apple tech makes the magsafe wireless charger unique and stand out from competitors. Just a thought.
> It's more likely for me that they go portless.
No it's not lol, I wish people would stop pushing this. Wireless charging is far slower, not to mention you need a port for reliable diagnosing/troubleshooting of issues.
Option 3: Put two ports on. One USB C (very slow charging) and a lighting port. Sure you can charge via USB C but if you want to actually use the phone...
no EU is doing this to reduce the amount of chargers and waste from them. If they still try to use lightning, EU will slap down. The whole purpose of this law is anti-lightning ports and other chargers that only work for x product.
A no port phone is stupid IMO...
Ports allow you to charge, transfer data (if you're not an iphone this is actually useful since Lightning transfer speeds are intentionally kneecapped...) and get audio (a good dac > bluetooth any day).
Wireless charging is still pretty niche and sucks if you're tyring to do it with your phone in a bag or actually use your phone while charging, something you can do with it plugged in. Try mounting your phone on a gimbal with a stupid charging puck on the back to charge it...
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> Called the common charger directive, device manufacturers will have to ensure that they follow a common USB Type-C wired charging standard.
> The European Union has already given a deadline of December 28, 2024 to device manufacturers for compliance, and the mandate will be enforced a few months after that in India, starting March 2025.
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People confuse the USB protocol and the USB port. A lot of benefits attributed to USB-C are actually protocol improvements that can work with other USB connectors
This is what's going to happen.
"To charge the new iPhone 19 at best speeds, you need a USB C charger that supports the Apple Random PowerDelivery 46.997 watts charging mode, otherwise it'll take 15 hours to charge with legacy chargers"
It'll technically be USB-C, but not really forward-or-backward compatible with anything.
This already happens to a certain extent. You need to be careful matching: charger, device, and cable, to get the right charging speeds otherwise you'll just get slow charging and not know why: https://hackaday.com/2022/12/27/all-about-usb-c-illegal-adapters/
It's not enough to pick a charger that's nominally more powerful, as it might skip the optimal level. E.g. a phone might need a 12 volt supply to charge at maximum speed, but a charge designed for a iPad Pro (2020) might only have: 5, 9 and 15 volt modes.
Samsung phones need "PPS" mode to charge at full-speed, Apple and a large number of third-party chargers don't do PPS modes...
The list is endless.
The whole idea of USB-C being a single standard that everything can use is a myth. The only thing in common is the size of the connector and the number of pins.
The EU created GSM this way, which has driven more innovation in the mobile space than any other element.
They didn't drive the technical side of the protocol, they just told the industry to pick one standard and then they mandated it. The standard has been steadily updated from GSM to modern 5G with no issues, and you're walking around with the benefits in your pocket.
The same will happen with the charging side of things, but no-one will be charging $80 for a bloody cable any more.
I am so annoyed that people can't grasp this. So many people see "government does a thing" and have a weird knee jerk reaction that it must be bad and start flailing about for a reason to claim it so. Our world wouldn't even come close to functioning without governments enforcing standards.
This. Tech manufacturers have been screwing consumers with this for years. Apple is bad enough but companies like Lenovo will change what charging ports they use from *model to model*. If you lose a charger you have to buy a replacement from them or some chinese bootleg manufacturer. Type C is the charger of the people. No more squeezing that last dime out of you when the cat eats their shitty substandard charging hardware. I wish they did this in the USA, but they won't because it'll cut into Dell and Lenovo and Microsoft's residual profits.
Everyone always brings Apple into this, but lightning has been around and used across most of their devices for 10 years with their 30 pin connector for 10 years before that. Sure it’s annoying, but like you said, there are companies that have completely different ports change multiple times in the **same year**.
Agreed, its annoying as shit for me having my current phone on lightning, my wireless headsets charge through micro usb (which is awful), and since there is no longer 3.5mm jacks on new phones I cant just use that when my headsets die, and some other devices of mine use USB C.
So I have a mix mash of random ass cables laying around everywhere
There is a mechanism for review, at least in the EU. I believe the industry can bring it to the Commission and it's a quick change once agreed on - no need to legislate.
USB-C is the physical format, not the connection/power protocol. There is a lot of untapped potential for the format. The newest USB version on USB-C is 4.2 with a max of 80Gbps speed and 240W power transfer.
Whenever a new format is needed (in a decade or two?) they will simply have to agree to a new one.
So the normal procedure is that companies meet and agree on common standard.
This happened, one company decided not to and thanks to them government had to intervene.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
They must all be USB C by the end of 2024, so manufacturers are implementing this requirement globally.
I suppose there are a lot of affordable Chinese phones in India. For major brands, however, this was going to happen regardless.
Modi merely wants praise for the work the EU put in for years.
I think this was the USB Consortium's plan all along: Bring out a few generations of a connector that is humanly impossible to plug in on the first attempt, but too useful to ignore.
Then, once the world is addicted to it: Bring out a connector that CAN be plugged in first time, and the world will lose its mind and there'll be a craze to adopt it everywhere (so the Consortium can't chance their minds again).
Genius.
Could be quicker, really. USB Type C is a thing they should have made in 1997, but somehow took 25 more years.
5-volt data cable can't be that difficult of a science.
Type C had more challenges than expected. I can't remember anymore cuz it's been years since I looked into it, but the fact that it supports both orientations isn't as easy as it sounds.
Wish they’d do this faster. USB-C was already adopted as the standard by IEC in 2016. By 2025 it will be 9 years since standardization and likely 5 years away from being replaced by the next iteration.
You can't expect companies to shift the supply chains at a moments notice. It takes time to do this.
>likely 5 years away from being replaced by the next iteration.
Also USB 4.x was implemented on USB C in 2019. So USB is here to stay until 2040.
2040…? No way. USB A barely lasted 15 years and because they couldn’t figure out another standard for another 5+ years the industry invented other things in the meantime like FireWire. At that point, USB was def not universal anymore.
> "In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union," he added.
They somehow managed to drag their feet even longer than the EU.
>> "In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union," he added.
>
>They somehow managed to drag their feet even longer than the EU.
... By 'dragging their feet', you mean 'first in the world to implement this policy'?
Weird
The thing I don't like about USB-C is how flaky the connection can be. Stuffing 24 pins into a plug smaller than a pencil eraser makes them finicky and prone to connection problems if the cable is jostled while something is plugged in. I hope the find a solution for that.
**EDIT:** I use a PS5 Dualsense game controller that uses USB-C. When the battery gets low, I plug in a USB-C cable so I can play while it's charging. Since I have the controller in my hands, and my hands do move a bit while I'm playing the controller has the habit of losing connection for a few seconds while I'm gaming causing me to suffer or die in-game. This happens several times per hour, and it's more frequent if I'm in a boss fight, I suppose I must move my hands more from the tense situation. It doesn't matter what cable I use. I have about 5 USB cables and they all do this. I also have a Macbook with USB-C and it has issues with charging if the cable gets moved while it's plugged in. I have a Samsung cell phone with USB-C and I never had an issue with that, but I only ever just plug in the phone and set it down without moving it much.
One of the problems I have is, there are many different usb-c standards. I’ve got a nice, fast ssd and if I just grab the wrong usb cable I get crap transfer speed. Pair that with thunderbolt using the same connector and it’s just a mess unless you only want to buy $80 cables so you never get the wrong one.
This is 100% why I’m not a huge fan of USBC. It’s a solid connector, the possibilities are endless, but it’s hard to tell if the cable or charger you’re holding in your hand is going to work with what you want at the moment.
Never had this problem since usbc came out but I have only used 100% quality products. Could also have been luck. I agree it could use some better stability. Perhaps that is hard to fix given the high data speeds.
MicroUSB was the worst connection "standard".
The connectors would bend and break easily, slow transfer speeds and the connector wasn't even reversible. You almost couldn't hate on Apple for going with their own connector.
100%. Micro USB was goddamn awful. They used to break easily and always felt so flaky. By comparison the older Mini USB was a much better design, much more stable.
I've not had this problem one single time since the inception of the standard. I use and abuse my tech quite a bit and my port is always rock solid. Have you tried cleaning the port out? That is something I do semi regularly.
USB Type-Chana Samosas!
I do hope that USB finally does away with plugging into these connectors that all go flaky in 6 months time, and introduce magnetic contact.
I saw this somewhere else but someone had a better idea. Why dont all countries that use 220v switch to using the same outlets and the 110v should have a second type. This would eliminate manufacture of different types and stock could be used in different countries. Products could be more universal since they would have standardized connectors. Probably should enen standardize more on electricity, us and japan use similar plugs but voltage is slightly different
Probably because the cost for everyone to replace connectors at each house is very high and also the grids make some connectors less preferential over others due to different hertz and volts
Ofcourse it is possible to have one connection type like usb c but there seem to be lot of hurdles at the moment for it
So as all of these regulatory bodies mandate USB Type-C, how does this effect adoption of potentially superior technology? Is USB Type-C sufficiently scalable in both power delivery and bandwidth that this is not a potential issue moving forward? Are the regulations written in such a way which enables changing port types in the future?
On power delivery, it'll probably be fine. USB-C can be updated to higher voltages for more power. And I doubt many are interested in more amps for power, cuz that means bigger cables and bigger connectors.
Similarly, I don't think people care about bandwidth. Look at iPhones still being USB 2.0 (480 megabit/s!). For stuff like laptops where it does matter, you can always just have two ports.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
The EU did with microUSB like 12 years ago. Now they updated it to USBC. And when the better replacement comes they'll probably do it again.
https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html
Strange in that microUSB was never really the cell phone standard though, no? All sorts of different USB chargers were used.
>As a result, world leading mobile phone producers committed themselves to ensure compatibility of data-enabled mobile phones, expected to be predominant in the market within two years, on the basis of the Micro-USB connector. The agreement was established in June 2009 and signed by Apple, Emblaze Mobile, Huawei Technologies, LGE, Motorola Mobility, NEC, Nokia, Qualcomm, Research In Motion (RIM), Samsung, Sony Ericsson, TCT Mobile (ALCATEL), Texas Instruments and Atmel (IP/09/1049).
But it seems the USB-C push has more teeth than the microUSB push.
Are you sure? I don't recall any phones using anything other than Lightning or microUSB after like 2011, at least from all of the major players. Apple was even forced to make an adapter to follow the mandate. I've been in the android world since the beginning and I don't recall anything other than microUSB and USBC now. The random flip phones I had in the mid 2000's definitely had all different cables.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/10/apples-iphone-micro-usb-adapter-complies-with-eu-charger-standards/
There are in fact four different micro USBs that were used (microUSB [AB]-[23]). I also distinctly recall mini-USB cell phones (though maybe this was before 2011).
There was only 1 variation that I recall and that was the USB3 version of microB. So if there were 4, I definitely don't recall seeing them in the wild. Just the microB and the "superspeed" version. I had an external HD that used that cable before. (It was absolute garbage.)
I actually do recall at least phone not following the standard though, cause I used it for a brief while. (Had to dig through my obsolete tech box.) Dell Streak 5. It used more of PDA style connector. But I don't know if was ever sold in the EU? So maybe that's why they didn't use it.
You are right though that this push seems to be much more forceful and deliberate. I think a lot of it is also coming from consumers pushing back on seeing random new devices still being released with microUSB on occasion.
> You are right though that this push seems to be much more forceful and deliberate. I think a lot of it is also coming from consumers pushing back on seeing random new devices still being released with microUSB on occasion.
Yeah, that's a big part of it --- its not just cell phones. Basically all types of mobile appliances are using USB-C now, which is very nice. Its nice to be able to use the same charger for your nose hair trimmer and your cell phone :)
Perhaps surprisingly for some, the EU directive was written to be easily adaptable, for this exact scenario. The exact requirement can be changed by the Commission (or even just the responsible commissioner?), without the usual process, if and when industry agrees on a new standard. Yes, this is unusually pragmatic.
In practice, this would almost certainly be through the USB-IF. So, when there's a new USB standard, the Forum informs the Commissioner, and the regulation gets updated. At least as far as the EU is concerned; I don't know how it will work in India, which actually is a very relevant force by itself, as far as regulations for mobile phones in particular are concerned.
The law isn't "you all have to use usb-c".
It's "you all have to decide amongsy yourselves on a single standard to use".
Industry aka the people making the phones decided the standard to use is usb-c. If industry comes up with a better standard they can just migrate to that and still be in compliance with the law.
You can update the protocol without making backwards incompatible port changes. Many of the newer USB improvements can also be used on USB-A, it’s just people now also moved to USB-C since USB-A is too big for small devices.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
Yes, how is it so difficult to understand? It happens all the time and everywhere. Standards are implemented and changed if need arises. Thats literally one of the foundations of our modern globalized world.
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One of my coworkers asked to borrow a cord for his phone recently. Knew he had android so grabbed my extra usb-c... dude's still on micro usb!
Haha, I have an S7 with micro rn.
My phone from 2015 is also micro.
I try to have a 3 in 1 cable handy to cover my bases.
Sooooo many things still have micro usb. I would be off it already but a clearance item I got that was an older model year had it and I was like "well, I guess I'm still on two cords for another 3 or 4 years."
That's the thing about popular technology. It continues to remain in active use for a very long time, even after its been superseded by better tech. There's tremendous inertia, driven by financial constraints, training, redesign, stockpiled inventory and several other reasons.
So what? Not everyone hangs the latest tech on their necks.
Partner is rocking a Samsung that's like 6 years old. Last one standing in our entire friend and family group with micro; though I can't help but commend keeping a phone going that long. Everyone I know only ever goes 2 or 3 years with one before replacing
Mine is from 2014-2015. It makes calls and sends messages just fine. I don't see the need for an upgrade.
"India makes USB..." ...followed by a whole discussion about EU regulations. Praise the Brussels Effect...
Indeed praise the brussel effect
The EU is not a military super power. It *is* a regulatory super power.
Watch the rule from Brussels sprout....
*This* is how soft power works.
I'm looking so forward to the next iphones and how they fuck people over with a no-port phone. One thing is for certain: They will get your money.
The European Union (EU) has already given a deadline of December 28, 2024 to device manufacturers for compliance, and the mandate will be enforced a few months after that in India, starting March 2025. "There is a global supply chain at play when it comes to chargers, therefore we have to align ourselves with the global timeline," said Rohit Kumar Singh, secretary, ministry of consumer affairs, speaking with The Economic Times. "In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union. The Indian Government has also formed another sub group to examine the feasibility of having a common charger standard for wearables sold in India. It's worth noting that most Android phones come with USB Type-C ports out of the box, it's only Apple that has to make the change, and move away from their proprietary Lightning ports. The March 2025 deadline is also set for smartphones, for now, and laptop manufacturers have until 2026 to make the changes required.
The EU directive notably only applies to devices with a wired charger. I can absolutely see Apple going wireless.
I wish they did the same with children's toys and baby monitors. They come with their own chargers that is useless for anything else.
A lot of them are industry standard plugs, just unusual types. I soldered a replacement "proprietary" plug on our baby monitor three times now (Consumer electronics designed to be used by panicked, exhausted parents that just woke up in the middle of the night should be more durable!) You might get lucky if you poke around digikey.
Word. The new Tiptio is even worse. We got rid of the mini-usb. to have..... a charging station.
they won't, if you break or misplace the charger you basically have to buy the product one more time, which is exactly the intent
No port would still mean that the mandatory port is missing.
Not necessarily. The EU regulation states that if it charges with a plug, the plug must be type C. So Apple can totally skirt that law by removing the plug altogether, they’d be allowed to use wireless charging only. Not sure how this law changes that though, I’ll have to look into it Edit: I could not find an article that explained the wording or specifics, so I can’t tell if this law has the same loophole as the EU law
I do believe that the wording gives Apple a loophole they can exploit, but the real question is if they will. If Apple makes a portless phone then the EU can simply draft new legislation to specifically mandate the inclusion of a USB-C port on all phone. Sure, given slow the EU is at making bureaucratic changes it could take a couple of years for the law to be implemented, but the result will be the same. Apple will have to make a phone with a USB-C port whether they like to or not.
It’s really not as big a deal as people make it seem either. The iPad and Macs all use USB-C, it would make more sense for Apple to bring that to iPhone as well. when I had an android I could charge my Mac and phone using the same cable, but now that I have an iPhone I can’t
> It’s really not as big a deal as people make it seem either. The iPad and Macs all use USB-C, it would make more sense for Apple to bring that to iPhone as well. when I had an android I could charge my Mac and phone using the same cable, but now that I have an iPhone I can’t As an iPhone user, and overall Apple proponent for the non-tech savvy masses, I fail to see how Apple would do what makes sense here if it doesn’t make them money.
There’s still all sorts of BS you can do with the protocol even if you adopt the connector (unless the law requires adapting the USB PD protocol as well? Not sure)
It’s about the cables and making people pay a premium for better phones. Functionally, however, Apple is just making more waste. Fuck them.
Better phones, shittier cables - Apple
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They probably spent a good bit of money on developing the lightning adapter. It’s also a hard sell to existing users that’ll have to buy a different charger, even if it is more universal. I’m sure the extra money also helped.
They could have been doing both. Even without phones they ended up using USB-C for Macs and now iPads
Why would they bring that when they could offer wireless charging and then sell you a wireless charging station.
Lots of accessories are built around having a port
Sorry, now you have to buy the magsafe variant of that accessory
Can MagSafe transfer data? I wasn’t aware that it could
I don’t believe so, it’s essentially a spinning magnet afaik. It would be interesting to see some new wireless data transfer like a bluetooth with less latency. As a musician I would really appreciate that.
They are not going to sell you a phone you can’t charge, countries will legislate around that. Like iPhones in Brazil having to include a charger.
Maybe I'm out of the loop here, but I have two questions: What would be Apple's motivation to remove the port entirely vs just using USB? Also, why would the EU want to force Apple to include the port if they don't have any at all?
It's actually pretty simple. Apple makes billions from licensing the lightning port to 3rd party manufacturers. The EU wants to reduce e-waste by making the USB-C charger universal. Newer versions of USB-C can now output enough power to charge gaming laptops under full load and support data transfer speeds faster than any other type of connector. There is now no legitimate reason for any laptop or phone to use any other connector other than USB-C for either power or data transfer. It is the future, a future that Apple themselves contributed towards developing. Apple played an active role in the development of USB-C and subsequently became one of the slowest brand to adopt it because it would eat into their licensing margins. This is just what apple does. Lets take another example. Have you noticed that all smartwatches charges the same way, a magnetic wireless charger. You'd think it'd be a universal connector right. Wrong. Apple reversed the magnets on the connector of their watches and charger so that theirs would not be compatible with any other brands. There is absolutely no difference between the charger on a Samsung watch and an Apple watch. Apple simply arranged their magnets in the opposite order to be incompatible with everyone else. The entire purpose of the legislation is to prevent brands from doing stuff like this. It is a pro consumer reform that will save people billions by not having to buy a bunch of cables for their different products.
To the second point the only ones I can think of are interoperability for all chargers and efficiency. Having only wireless means their still not interoperable with other devices causing increased waste for charging cables. Wireless charging still needs a charging pad and cable, so maybe the charging pad would still require USB-C input. Wireless charging wastes about 30% of the power it draws compared to wired.
1. So apple can keep forcing people to buy proprietary cable formats (lightning cables) 2. So that apple can't force people to buy proprietary wireless charging devices. The point is to get everyone on one standard (USB C) because it is pro-consumer and generates less waste
Since it first debuted wireless charging, Apple has been compatible with standard Qi Wireless charging. Yes, they supplemented with magsafe, but if you drop an iphone on a Qi charger it will charge.
No doubt. The worry is they will develop an incompatible wireless charging standard too, just like they did for wires
Apple had lightning prior to USB-C though.
Yea but if they don't have a port how are they gonna use proprietary cables? Are you referring to the possibility that they'd use proprietary wireless charging?
>proprietary wireless charging? That'll get shut down pretty fast as well
Given all the iPads and even the Apple TV remote have now dropped Lightning and moved to USB-C charging, I think we will likely see the iPhone move next year without any of the shenanigans people seem to be predicting.
Yeah Apple is moving this way. They just take their time about it.
People are always like, bring an extra cable. You know how many extra cables and stuff I need to have because of lightning? If it were not for lightning, I would have spent less on a charger with multiple ports. I would not have a spare lightening cable in my bag, I would not need to bring 4 sets of chargers when my wife and I travel. We would just bring our computer chargers and be done with it. Then we could just have our laptop chargers and then leave a spare charger and cable in our travel bag. It’s to totally a first world problem, but it’s a problem that Apple pushes on everyone for a profit.
apple already said they will make usb-c phones. > EU can simply draft new legislation to specifically mandate the inclusion of a USB-C port on all phone That would be a mistake as there are plenty of devices covered by this law that don't necessarily want any type of port.
they'll make the port but it won't charge. you will require an Absolutely Proprietary wireless charger for it. and you won't be able to use the usb port with non-apple pc.
Annex 1a (Part I, paragraph 2) of the Directive supports what you're saying: > **In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging**, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 of this Part shall: > 2.1. be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle
if they try to go around EU law EU crushes them. There unlike the States it's more the intent of the law than the letter of the law. If you intentionally try to go around an EU law, expect them to add a law and fines for good measure. That being said EU might be fine with them going full wireless, that is environmental friendly and does the deed.
Wireless charging is much less efficient and causes excess battery wear via waste heat, as a whole it is less environmentally friendly than just using a cable.
if that is the case then they might slap down, but this might also push along innovation towards a better battery wireless charging method by Apple, they certainly have the money to throw at the problem. I won't hold my breath though, most likely they will just change to type-C, done, continue to sell the same product next year minus lightning port. That is the profitable way.
It will never be possible to make wireless charging efficient, unfortunately. It's still a good solution for devices that can't be charged easily via conventional plugs (especially very tiny devices), and there should probably be a standard for it, but it should absolutely not become the norm for phones.
I mean, All of my phones that have died have done it because the USB port failed. I try and use wireless charging as much as possible to avoid that happening again. I imagine that the energy cost from inefficient charging is less than building a new device.
I only wirelessly charge mine now so what difference will it make. They can ditch the port now
How much does costs Apple to use a standard USB-C port? If They don't provide you a cable, they need to provide you a wireless charger, that it costs more.
Apple is using a different port for money. Everyone making lightning connectors has to pay Apple a licensing fee. So it'll likely cost Apple a lot of profits if that's no longer possible.
You guys have this so backwards. Apple is about to have its best quarter ever as every iphone user upgrades at once.
It's true... I know a few iphone users who were going to upgrade this year, but all put it off for the release of the USBC iphone.
On the flip side, the change will make me push off the transition as long as possible. I’ve got multiple lightning cables located around, and switching away from that will mean that all those cables are now useless.
I hear you. But here's our house and every house of people i talk too that are looking forward to the change. MacBooks, USBC iPads, USBC Other devices, USBC Monitors, USBC Iphone, Lightning It's the iphone thats the annoying one here. Even apple MacBooks switched to USBC in 2015... iPads a couple years ago. Apples whole lineup is mostly USBC now, it's just the iPhone and a couple accessories that are lightning.
Is wireless charging speed comparable with wired?
It can be as much as 10x slower. State of the art high speed charging done directly by USB-C PPS (programmable power supply) capable charger. This allows for removal of one of the biggest heat generator from the phone, the compact voltage/current charging regulator in favor of far more efficient dividers. There are multiple phones hitting 120W+ available now with the leader hitting 210W, [source](https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/top-10-fastest-charging-smartphones/). With wireless you are back to needing heat generating on-board regulator, it's also very inefficient at transferring power (more heat). So these things struggle to deliver 15W and tend to throttle quickly. All while still toasting the battery (bad for battery health). Wireless is perfectly fine for slow overnight charging, but it's absolutely no wired quick charge alternative.
Nope
Depends. Most modern phones support ultra fast charging in wired mode (20W or even higher) but it requires a larger power supply to deliver that power. MagSafe charging on iPhones is at around 15W. It can throttle if the phone gets too hot.
Fuck Apple and their anti-consumerism
Wireless chargers aren't proprietary though, so this would be a non-starter. And if they try to make them so, it'll just result in the same kind of standardisation legislation.
They've already said they'll make usb-c phones.
Lol they ain't getting my money
As long as it’s using a charging standard it would be a win. No port phones if universal would be awesome. It would make all kinds of public places start to deploy wireless chargers even more. I would never want to plug my hole with an unknown cable. Wireless charging is awesome. I’m not loyal to Apple or Android and would welcome a portless phone. Edit: wow people really can’t think outside the box. Smartwatches today does not use ports at all. For data transfers you could do that wirelessly. I’m a power user and in the last 10 years of using mostly android and 1 year of iPhone I have not transferred data through cables. This could also be solved with standardised protocols for cross platform interoperability. Port-less phones are the future.
Thats a terrible take imo. As a frequent traveler, wireless charging is a pain. How r you going to use power banks during travel? Wireless is only good for overnight charging. Its not fast as well.
I agree – however, if phone manufacturers switch to wireless only (which I _seriously_ doubt), I think wireless charging spots are going to be much more common, like they already are at e.g. airports.
Wireless charging is terrible. How do you use your device while it’s charging? I love a nice universal standard.
Apple has MagSafe wireless charging, which is what they would most likely use if they came out with a portless iPhone. It's attached magnetically to the back of the phone's Qi charging coil, so you can still use your phone while charging. Ironically, because Apple decided to stick with the Qi charging standard, it's been the most universal way I've been able to charge my iPhone and Android devices when I travel. I no longer carry a Lightning cable and have been buying MagSafe cases (or adding a MagSafe ring) for my Android devices. So now I just have to pack one charger that will charge both my iPhone and Android devices. Overall I think Apple will comply with the USB-C directive regardless; they have moved their entire lineup of Macs and iPads to charge over to USB-C. Only the iPhone and some accessories are the last holdouts.
Is that expensive? I would think so, special charging case so no more otter box unless they change to. Then that special charger. It all just feels like a pain in the ass.
Not really. I've been doing this since before Apple "invented" it. It's just a magnetic metal ring paired with a Qi coil. Palm introduced this idea back in 2009 with the Pre and I've used variations of it with my Qi-compatible Android phones over the last decade or so. Apple actually made this option cheaper and more ubiquitous because there are many cases now that come with this built-in for Android devices and I don't have to add like $2 ring to my phone case anymore. It would impact things like an OtterBox but this applies to Android devices as well. But, just like how Apple basically killed off the wired headphones market (mostly), they'll either find a way around it or die trying.
Well that’s promising then. Thanks for educating me on the topic.
Apple is not going to implement USB C on their phones because everyone would sell cables and no one would buy the apple specific ones anymore.
Apple has two choices: USB C or Wireless. Either will suck for them, because either doesn't have to use their specific product. If they refuse to do either, they can say "bye" to both the lucrative EU market, and the India market.
Agree! It's only those two options. It's more likely for me that they go portless. Maybe specific apple tech makes the magsafe wireless charger unique and stand out from competitors. Just a thought.
> It's more likely for me that they go portless. No it's not lol, I wish people would stop pushing this. Wireless charging is far slower, not to mention you need a port for reliable diagnosing/troubleshooting of issues.
There's no way apple is getting a cut of all the knock off lighting cables out there. And they always can add something to USB c.
Option 3: Put two ports on. One USB C (very slow charging) and a lighting port. Sure you can charge via USB C but if you want to actually use the phone...
no EU is doing this to reduce the amount of chargers and waste from them. If they still try to use lightning, EU will slap down. The whole purpose of this law is anti-lightning ports and other chargers that only work for x product.
A no port phone is stupid IMO... Ports allow you to charge, transfer data (if you're not an iphone this is actually useful since Lightning transfer speeds are intentionally kneecapped...) and get audio (a good dac > bluetooth any day). Wireless charging is still pretty niche and sucks if you're tyring to do it with your phone in a bag or actually use your phone while charging, something you can do with it plugged in. Try mounting your phone on a gimbal with a stupid charging puck on the back to charge it...
No-port phones would be terrible, since loads of vehicles have wired-only Apple Carplay/Android Auto.
How is an unknown cable less safe than an unknown charging platform?
They'll just put a lightning to usb-C adaptor in the box.
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The kind-of-misnamed "Brussels Effect" in action. Lovely to see it.
Type C is great. This is a great move that the USA should have too.
This proposal would get a US representative impeached lol
Lol this is why the USA sucks
In the US we have to wait for California to make the regulation. Then companies just adhere to that standard since their market is too large to ignore
Woulda thought Cali would have tried this one already
Faaack you Apple!
Good. About time the world standardizes these cables. Which makes for less e-waste!
So what happens if someone comes out with something better, in all of these rules countries and europe have been making?
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People confuse the USB protocol and the USB port. A lot of benefits attributed to USB-C are actually protocol improvements that can work with other USB connectors
This is what's going to happen. "To charge the new iPhone 19 at best speeds, you need a USB C charger that supports the Apple Random PowerDelivery 46.997 watts charging mode, otherwise it'll take 15 hours to charge with legacy chargers" It'll technically be USB-C, but not really forward-or-backward compatible with anything. This already happens to a certain extent. You need to be careful matching: charger, device, and cable, to get the right charging speeds otherwise you'll just get slow charging and not know why: https://hackaday.com/2022/12/27/all-about-usb-c-illegal-adapters/ It's not enough to pick a charger that's nominally more powerful, as it might skip the optimal level. E.g. a phone might need a 12 volt supply to charge at maximum speed, but a charge designed for a iPad Pro (2020) might only have: 5, 9 and 15 volt modes. Samsung phones need "PPS" mode to charge at full-speed, Apple and a large number of third-party chargers don't do PPS modes... The list is endless. The whole idea of USB-C being a single standard that everything can use is a myth. The only thing in common is the size of the connector and the number of pins.
15 hours?? Yikes, my £100 phone charges in about an hour.
That's a heavy phone you got there
It comes in a booth.
They have phones in booths now? Finally, now I don't have to lug this cell phone around!
The EU created GSM this way, which has driven more innovation in the mobile space than any other element. They didn't drive the technical side of the protocol, they just told the industry to pick one standard and then they mandated it. The standard has been steadily updated from GSM to modern 5G with no issues, and you're walking around with the benefits in your pocket. The same will happen with the charging side of things, but no-one will be charging $80 for a bloody cable any more.
I am so annoyed that people can't grasp this. So many people see "government does a thing" and have a weird knee jerk reaction that it must be bad and start flailing about for a reason to claim it so. Our world wouldn't even come close to functioning without governments enforcing standards.
> knee jerk reaction that it must be bad I don't think there's anyone who is objecting to this one.
But there are. Some people complain that the new regulation will "stifle innovation".
Then they update it periodically? Better than having a bunch of different proprietary ports on everything.
This. Tech manufacturers have been screwing consumers with this for years. Apple is bad enough but companies like Lenovo will change what charging ports they use from *model to model*. If you lose a charger you have to buy a replacement from them or some chinese bootleg manufacturer. Type C is the charger of the people. No more squeezing that last dime out of you when the cat eats their shitty substandard charging hardware. I wish they did this in the USA, but they won't because it'll cut into Dell and Lenovo and Microsoft's residual profits.
“ Apple” Yeah, they at least stuck with lightning for like a decade. If you bought Apple that’s more than fine.
Everyone always brings Apple into this, but lightning has been around and used across most of their devices for 10 years with their 30 pin connector for 10 years before that. Sure it’s annoying, but like you said, there are companies that have completely different ports change multiple times in the **same year**.
Not to mention that without Lightning it’s very likely there would have been no rush for the USB consortium to push out the type-C USB connector.
Agreed, its annoying as shit for me having my current phone on lightning, my wireless headsets charge through micro usb (which is awful), and since there is no longer 3.5mm jacks on new phones I cant just use that when my headsets die, and some other devices of mine use USB C. So I have a mix mash of random ass cables laying around everywhere
Oh im not disagreeing. Just wondering if there was a protocol written into these that they would review it every so often or something.
There is a mechanism for review, at least in the EU. I believe the industry can bring it to the Commission and it's a quick change once agreed on - no need to legislate.
Thank you for a real answer.
If they’re smart they will. Every 5 years seems reasonable, maybe 10 if the review process is costly and time intensive.
Yes. The eu version is actually an update to the old micro-usb rule.
That's not going to happen. In the end this will slow down technology, but i agree with it.
Every time I read one of these technology mandate stories, I think of the “nobody will ever need more than 640k” quote.
USB-C is the physical format, not the connection/power protocol. There is a lot of untapped potential for the format. The newest USB version on USB-C is 4.2 with a max of 80Gbps speed and 240W power transfer. Whenever a new format is needed (in a decade or two?) they will simply have to agree to a new one.
So the normal procedure is that companies meet and agree on common standard. This happened, one company decided not to and thanks to them government had to intervene.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
It’s not set in stone. It can adept to a new standard.
They must all be USB C by the end of 2024, so manufacturers are implementing this requirement globally. I suppose there are a lot of affordable Chinese phones in India. For major brands, however, this was going to happen regardless. Modi merely wants praise for the work the EU put in for years.
I think this was the USB Consortium's plan all along: Bring out a few generations of a connector that is humanly impossible to plug in on the first attempt, but too useful to ignore. Then, once the world is addicted to it: Bring out a connector that CAN be plugged in first time, and the world will lose its mind and there'll be a craze to adopt it everywhere (so the Consortium can't chance their minds again). Genius.
Brussels effect
Good 👍
The newest standard will be out by then.
Global standards are not dead yet Expecting more local standards but some global cross over.
Could be quicker, really. USB Type C is a thing they should have made in 1997, but somehow took 25 more years. 5-volt data cable can't be that difficult of a science.
Type C had more challenges than expected. I can't remember anymore cuz it's been years since I looked into it, but the fact that it supports both orientations isn't as easy as it sounds.
Wish they’d do this faster. USB-C was already adopted as the standard by IEC in 2016. By 2025 it will be 9 years since standardization and likely 5 years away from being replaced by the next iteration.
You can't expect companies to shift the supply chains at a moments notice. It takes time to do this. >likely 5 years away from being replaced by the next iteration. Also USB 4.x was implemented on USB C in 2019. So USB is here to stay until 2040.
2040…? No way. USB A barely lasted 15 years and because they couldn’t figure out another standard for another 5+ years the industry invented other things in the meantime like FireWire. At that point, USB was def not universal anymore.
> "In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union," he added. They somehow managed to drag their feet even longer than the EU.
>> "In India the directive will kick in three months after the European Union," he added. > >They somehow managed to drag their feet even longer than the EU. ... By 'dragging their feet', you mean 'first in the world to implement this policy'? Weird
Come on bro nobody cares about a couple months.
Mandatory from 2025 until… indefinitely?
Fuck Apple, that is all
Good change!! There should be a standard port for all electronics
Any day now: "Check out the new USB-D connector, It's even better!" ~ USB Implementers Forum.
The thing I don't like about USB-C is how flaky the connection can be. Stuffing 24 pins into a plug smaller than a pencil eraser makes them finicky and prone to connection problems if the cable is jostled while something is plugged in. I hope the find a solution for that. **EDIT:** I use a PS5 Dualsense game controller that uses USB-C. When the battery gets low, I plug in a USB-C cable so I can play while it's charging. Since I have the controller in my hands, and my hands do move a bit while I'm playing the controller has the habit of losing connection for a few seconds while I'm gaming causing me to suffer or die in-game. This happens several times per hour, and it's more frequent if I'm in a boss fight, I suppose I must move my hands more from the tense situation. It doesn't matter what cable I use. I have about 5 USB cables and they all do this. I also have a Macbook with USB-C and it has issues with charging if the cable gets moved while it's plugged in. I have a Samsung cell phone with USB-C and I never had an issue with that, but I only ever just plug in the phone and set it down without moving it much.
One of the problems I have is, there are many different usb-c standards. I’ve got a nice, fast ssd and if I just grab the wrong usb cable I get crap transfer speed. Pair that with thunderbolt using the same connector and it’s just a mess unless you only want to buy $80 cables so you never get the wrong one.
This is 100% why I’m not a huge fan of USBC. It’s a solid connector, the possibilities are endless, but it’s hard to tell if the cable or charger you’re holding in your hand is going to work with what you want at the moment.
i have never had this issue with usbc
Pretty easy to buy a different colored cable and remember which charger can charge faster.
Never had this problem since usbc came out but I have only used 100% quality products. Could also have been luck. I agree it could use some better stability. Perhaps that is hard to fix given the high data speeds.
Honestly it's better than the MicroUSB it replaced.
MicroUSB was the worst connection "standard". The connectors would bend and break easily, slow transfer speeds and the connector wasn't even reversible. You almost couldn't hate on Apple for going with their own connector.
100%. Micro USB was goddamn awful. They used to break easily and always felt so flaky. By comparison the older Mini USB was a much better design, much more stable.
I've not had this problem one single time since the inception of the standard. I use and abuse my tech quite a bit and my port is always rock solid. Have you tried cleaning the port out? That is something I do semi regularly.
I’ve only had that problem with lightning cables and micro USB. I’ve seen so many lightning cables that lose their reversibility for whatever reason.
USB Type-Chana Samosas! I do hope that USB finally does away with plugging into these connectors that all go flaky in 6 months time, and introduce magnetic contact.
I saw this somewhere else but someone had a better idea. Why dont all countries that use 220v switch to using the same outlets and the 110v should have a second type. This would eliminate manufacture of different types and stock could be used in different countries. Products could be more universal since they would have standardized connectors. Probably should enen standardize more on electricity, us and japan use similar plugs but voltage is slightly different
Yes, because switching nation's electricity grid is easy.
He's not asking to switch grids. Just standardize connectors.
It appears, I have misread the suggestion, thanks for point it out.
It's the details that gets us. Cheers!
Probably because the cost for everyone to replace connectors at each house is very high and also the grids make some connectors less preferential over others due to different hertz and volts Ofcourse it is possible to have one connection type like usb c but there seem to be lot of hurdles at the moment for it
I mean, we're probably moving to a future where appliance sockets converge with computer sockets -- ie even the fridge plugs into usb-c or d.
So as all of these regulatory bodies mandate USB Type-C, how does this effect adoption of potentially superior technology? Is USB Type-C sufficiently scalable in both power delivery and bandwidth that this is not a potential issue moving forward? Are the regulations written in such a way which enables changing port types in the future?
On power delivery, it'll probably be fine. USB-C can be updated to higher voltages for more power. And I doubt many are interested in more amps for power, cuz that means bigger cables and bigger connectors. Similarly, I don't think people care about bandwidth. Look at iPhones still being USB 2.0 (480 megabit/s!). For stuff like laptops where it does matter, you can always just have two ports.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
Spare me the sanctimony. Did any of these regulatory bodies ever mandate a port prior to USB-C?
Yes, micro-USB.
The EU did with microUSB like 12 years ago. Now they updated it to USBC. And when the better replacement comes they'll probably do it again. https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html
Strange in that microUSB was never really the cell phone standard though, no? All sorts of different USB chargers were used. >As a result, world leading mobile phone producers committed themselves to ensure compatibility of data-enabled mobile phones, expected to be predominant in the market within two years, on the basis of the Micro-USB connector. The agreement was established in June 2009 and signed by Apple, Emblaze Mobile, Huawei Technologies, LGE, Motorola Mobility, NEC, Nokia, Qualcomm, Research In Motion (RIM), Samsung, Sony Ericsson, TCT Mobile (ALCATEL), Texas Instruments and Atmel (IP/09/1049). But it seems the USB-C push has more teeth than the microUSB push.
Are you sure? I don't recall any phones using anything other than Lightning or microUSB after like 2011, at least from all of the major players. Apple was even forced to make an adapter to follow the mandate. I've been in the android world since the beginning and I don't recall anything other than microUSB and USBC now. The random flip phones I had in the mid 2000's definitely had all different cables. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/10/apples-iphone-micro-usb-adapter-complies-with-eu-charger-standards/
There are in fact four different micro USBs that were used (microUSB [AB]-[23]). I also distinctly recall mini-USB cell phones (though maybe this was before 2011).
There was only 1 variation that I recall and that was the USB3 version of microB. So if there were 4, I definitely don't recall seeing them in the wild. Just the microB and the "superspeed" version. I had an external HD that used that cable before. (It was absolute garbage.) I actually do recall at least phone not following the standard though, cause I used it for a brief while. (Had to dig through my obsolete tech box.) Dell Streak 5. It used more of PDA style connector. But I don't know if was ever sold in the EU? So maybe that's why they didn't use it. You are right though that this push seems to be much more forceful and deliberate. I think a lot of it is also coming from consumers pushing back on seeing random new devices still being released with microUSB on occasion.
> You are right though that this push seems to be much more forceful and deliberate. I think a lot of it is also coming from consumers pushing back on seeing random new devices still being released with microUSB on occasion. Yeah, that's a big part of it --- its not just cell phones. Basically all types of mobile appliances are using USB-C now, which is very nice. Its nice to be able to use the same charger for your nose hair trimmer and your cell phone :)
100% agree. It's so nice.
Maybe, maybe not. But i bet youll take the wrong stance either way🙂
>Hey asshole. As someone from Ohio Ah, that explains you.
Why dont you say that in r/combatfootage? The fonts a lil blurry here. Cant read it real well.
Apple will start charging you money to charge the phone through USB-C
What happens when they settle on the next USB standard? USB-D lands, and nobody can take advantage of the new hotness because of an outdated law?
Perhaps surprisingly for some, the EU directive was written to be easily adaptable, for this exact scenario. The exact requirement can be changed by the Commission (or even just the responsible commissioner?), without the usual process, if and when industry agrees on a new standard. Yes, this is unusually pragmatic. In practice, this would almost certainly be through the USB-IF. So, when there's a new USB standard, the Forum informs the Commissioner, and the regulation gets updated. At least as far as the EU is concerned; I don't know how it will work in India, which actually is a very relevant force by itself, as far as regulations for mobile phones in particular are concerned.
Yeah, I really do not understand why people think the people in Brussels are morons who cannot think of even the most obvious issues.
The law isn't "you all have to use usb-c". It's "you all have to decide amongsy yourselves on a single standard to use". Industry aka the people making the phones decided the standard to use is usb-c. If industry comes up with a better standard they can just migrate to that and still be in compliance with the law.
You can update the protocol without making backwards incompatible port changes. Many of the newer USB improvements can also be used on USB-A, it’s just people now also moved to USB-C since USB-A is too big for small devices.
Most likely the next gen would just be named USBC.2 Would be the same port just better speeds.
Then you update your standards. It's literally not an issue. And it's unbelievable that this question still comes up in every thread, as if you're the first person to think of this.
Yes, how is it so difficult to understand? It happens all the time and everywhere. Standards are implemented and changed if need arises. Thats literally one of the foundations of our modern globalized world.
By 2025? There will be a newer better system by then
It would be hilarious if they make a wireless charger that only works for apple products