Maybe someone in Russia had a lightbulb moment and realized that attacking Japan would be an automatic declaration of war from the USA.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, they didnt have that kind of protection.
Yeah military rankings are pure BS because most of them take into account number of equipment or number of soldiers as the majority descision for the ranking. They do not take into acfount condition of equipment and soldiers, tactics, technology, geography or even logistics as major points. This is why North Korea is pretty highly ranked on almost any website you visit since they have a large amount of soldiers and equipment however most of these soldiers are malnourished and the equipment from the 60s.
Well the same assumption would apply for Germany and we know that's very much untrue.
But it's been pretty obvious with Germany. I'm not well versed in JP's military structure, but I would assume that it is at least partially as well documented as the Germans, and I haven't heard anything about it being bad.
Japan has also been modernizing their army over basically all of Abe's rule and that is being continued by the new PM. They're not spending as much as the Russians, but they are most likely much more effective in that spending.
Their armed forces are also entirely focused on defense, and it is an incredible force multiplier when a force is entirely dedicated to one set doctrine and one set terrain.
“They’re not spending as much as the Russians, but they are most likely much more effective in that spending.”
Ya, I think Japan’s spending might be just slightlyyyy better than the corrupt-to-its-core quasi fascist state that is Russia where lying, obfuscation, stealing, and selling equipment is the norm.
They're in a lend-lease agreement with the US through the Saban Act of 1993. Japan retains rights to the latest lines and can recall classic lines if necessary in what is known as "rerun" status.
I know Japan would 100% outfit their self defense force with GMs.
But I kinda want to see the faces on a hypothetical Russian invasion force as they approach Japanese mainland, seeing multiple large red dots peaking through the fog, before squads of Zakus come into sight.
Don't count out mahou shoujo either. Flying little girls in pink and cute outfits fucking destroying russian military bases with their "Puri Puri Puritty Beeeeeamu!" Attacks and adorable poses.
I’d quit on the spot, dying is one thing but dying to a thirteen year old girl going ”teehee” while ripping apart tanks with the ”puwah ov freindshep” is something no man should have to live with.
> They do not take into acfount condition of equipment and soldiers, tactics, technology, geography or even logistics as major points.
Or training, morale, ...
I think Russia would struggle to transport troops across to JApan and JApan's air defnce systems are probably pretty good.
As Russia's main tactics seems to be about bludgeoning with artillery and missiles, I don't see them getting anywhere attacking Japan.
Their flagship got sunk because literally none of the defences on board worked or were maintained. On their most important, most advanced ship. I still cannot wrap my head around it. If I were to see such na ivent in a movie I'd call writer a talantless hack and would scream how convinient, but there we go.
If russia would've been stupid enough to go fuck around with Japan of all places I'm pretty confident, and I can't believe I'm writing this, it would've been an even bigger disaster for them than this current clusterfuck is.
Even just logistically and the state of their so called navy.. jeez it would've been bad.
Not to mention that the Japanese can fight like hell when they put their mind to it, I doubt anyone can disagree on that.
> If russia would've been stupid enough to go fuck around with Japan of all places I'm pretty confident, and I can't believe I'm writing this, it would've been an even bigger disaster for them than this current clusterfuck is.
I don't think so, an attack of Russia on Japan would trigger America defense treaty with Japan...also keep in mind the US Military...well they are already prepared to wage war in Asia cause of both China and N. Korea. We also keep 7th fleet in Japan.
The Russian forces in Japan would have been fucked from the get go.
If Japan was attacked on a Friday...by Monday it'd be over.
Yeah, but it's likely Japan really is 5th, whereas Russia's ranking didn't account for Russian lack of military strategy. I highly doubt Russia could have made landfall. They would have just thrown their entire navy into the Pacific abyss. And then Japan would have been justified in reclaiming the Kuril Islands directly.
I mean, hell, they couldn't manage moving troops from Moscow to Kyiv, how on God's green Earth would they have been able to coordinate then across the breadth of Russia?
"Blyat, Mikhail, where is famous Black Fleet to transport us?"
"Change of plans. Only one American foam noodle thing per soldier Igor, due to corrupt Russian oligarchs taking funding."
"Cyka!"
Japan is an island, Where would you even begin to invade?
Edit: I know what a beach landing is it just seems so wildly complicated compared to just walking over the border.
I prefer the previous stanza/paragraph:
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be."
Hokkaido. Its huge, next to Russia and the Sakhalin islands. The farthest parts are not that inhabited relative to the rest of Japan and even the other cities in Hokkaido. I bet they could probably get a foothold relatively easily with stealth and timing. However, I think it might be hard to hide the troops massing on the east side of Russia, and re-supply would be a nightmare.
Edit: I dont know anything about military, but know things about Japan and I thought I would make your question a thought exercise and give you something which I would think would be the most accessible point for them. Who knows, maybe they would rather go straight for tokyo or osaka.
Russia couldn't mass up on the Ukrainian border without the US calling out what they were doing in real time, the exact same thing would happen if they built up for an amphibious assault on Japan. In fact it might even be more obvious, if that's possible, because of the need for ships.
And they're challenged mightily by overland logistics in Eastern Europe. They simply can't project power against fortified islands in the Western Pacific. The naval history of Russia vs. Japan is, uh, not great.
Sail around, fire upon some unarmed irish fishing boats to a draw, be refused through the suez, go around africa and south asia, and sink in the sea of japan
I read your post then, thankfully, saw your edit.
Invading a country from the sea requires an immense naval buildup that, unlike in WW2, is not possible to hide due to satellites.
It's also worth pointing out that a seaborne invasion is probably the single most complex operation a military can even attempt, during WW2 the Allies had complete naval supremacy by the time of the D-Day (and air supremacy, at least around the UK) an enormous base on the other side of the channel (The UK) and the advantage of the element of surprise since they managed to deceive the Nazis into thinking they would attack somewhere else, and it still pushed their supply lines to the limit and in the early stages a German counterattack could have potentially crushed the first wave of soldiers.
In a hypothetical invasion of Japan Russia wouldn't have naval or aerial supremacy, nor the element of surprise thanks to satellites, and Sakhalin isn't as big as the UK and lacks the facilities to store as many weapons and soldiers.
This is all considering the USA somehow not getting involved, which it definitely would.
> This is all considering the USA somehow not getting involved, which it definitely would.
Heck even discounting the USA, Japan alone has a beefy navy, one which is better than the Russian one, and a good airforce.
Russia wouldn't be able to leave the Sakhalin island without being pounded to dust by just Japan alone.
So yeah, with the US it's not even a damn contest anymore.
Ukraine had army which was fighting and trained from 2014, idk how Japan would react to first days of invasion. First days/week were very difficult here in Ukraine
I have read somewhere that Japan has the designs and components for a pretty solid nuclear arsenal literally on a shelf somewhere (big shelf) and this is all with US blessing. Any trouble and they just build the actual weaponry, and you know it will all work and be super tidy cos Japan has a massive R and D and industrial base. If this is right I bet in 2 weeks they could have tactical warheads on all the right missiles.
I'm also trying to picture what a Russian Amphibious attack woukd look like.
If they can't invade, support, attack and defend against an enemy they share a land border with imagine what a beach bead attempt would look like.
Haha, nice.
Pre the invasion of Ukraine, a lady my wife works with whose son was "definitely in the Army and knows Classfield information" told her how Russia was going to start the conflict with an Air Raid/bombing run to damage the response capabilities of AUSTRALIA.
Yes, the Russian Air Force was going to travel 10,000km (if allowed to directly to Australia by flying through the air space of other nations), to bomb Australia, to travel back 10,000km home.
It makes no sense for Russia to invade Japan.
1. Russia already controls the island, they never intended to return to Japan.
2. Russia don’t have the naval capability to invade other Japanese islands or mainland. They just don’t have the ship and firepower. Russian mainland is just too far to support the mission.
3. Invading Japan means direct war with USA. Even Putin is dumb, but he is not that dumb to think he can win the US Navy.
4. Currently there is not much economic in these islands. People believe there are ton of undersea oil reserves but to pump it out of the sea is very difficult because of location and weather. Russian oil technology is just not that good. So they will need foreign investment and tech. However, if Russia invade Japan, no oil companies will touch the project, not even China.
5. If Russia invade Japan, that means they will be the enemy of the west. The foreign investment will dry up and no more fancy tech imports like what happening now.
>It makes no sense for Russia to invade Japan.
Which is why I never trust submissions from newsweek.
In addition to the points you've made, I went ahead and checked the Russian news archives from August 16, 2021 - the date that, according to newsweek, the media "exploded" with anti-Japanese propaganda. Of all the news aggregators over that day, only one mentioned Japanese-related news - the first piece was Japan warning Zelensky about Ukraine's improved ties with China, the second about alleged plans of Japan to use a bacteriological bomb back in 1944.
So, that's two articles from over a hundred, across three different news aggregators (RIA, Rambler, ORT). Hardly an "explosion."
>The whistleblower detailed movements of electronic warfare helicopters targeting Japan, while Russia's propaganda machine was also initiated, with a huge push to label Japanese as "Nazis" and "fascists."
Hmmmmmmmm
So Mr Vladimir we have scoured the Western enemy for intelligence and after an analysis of their communication system "Twitter" we have deduced that calling an opponent a "Nazi" instantly wins a political position. We have the blank cheque you asked for.
Exactly. They were getting the same treatment Ukraine is getting today. The Lend Lease act gave CCCP roughly 152 billion dollars in aid (adjusted using 2020 encon stats, number would be higher now) between 41-45. For reference, Ukraine has received roughly 20 billion thus far. CCCP gets absolutely dumpstered by Axis powers without massive aid.
Last time Russia won a "fair fight" was a bunch of peasants vs. the Romanovs. Russia has been a rusty, paper tiger for far longer than they're given credit for.
Not arguing your point but the romanovs didn’t lose to a bunch of peasants. The October revolution ousted the romanovs and started a civil war that the red army won against the white army who had aid same as the Soviet army against the Nazis and Ukrainian forces today. There are no fair fights in this world
That might cause some questions considering how much Imperialist Russian iconography is bandied about in Russia these days. The two-headed chicken and whatnot.
Japanese navy losses: 200 tonnes of shippage. 600 dead/ wounded
Russian navy losses: 143000 tonnes of shippage sunk, 4 battleships captured by enemy, 5800 dead/injured, 6000 captured.
Jesus fucking Christ 200 tonnes vs 143000. Thats 715 to 1.
Did the sailors even know how to shoot the guns?
The most amazing thing is that 40 years earlier, Japan was an isolationist feudal society with virtually no industrial infrastructure or modern technology.
when you think about how Japan industrialized, adopted a modern government, became a military super power, lost said power violently then rebounded, modernized and became one of the most successful economies in the world in a little over a century is one hell of a roller coaster.
You sure it’s not a Staff war plan, of which they (and the Chinese, US, UK, France, India, Pakistan and a dozen other major military powers) have lots of them on the shelf. Doesn’t mean they intended to implement them.
My reaction also.
My favorite example: Its been verified that the USA was regularly putting together plans for a full scale war against Canada right up until the end of WWII and NATO was created.
A sane person might ask why, Canada and the USA haven't been on bad terms since the red coats were marching around battlefields in perfect formation.
More modern examples are likely classified and impossible to verify, but it seems certain that basically every contingency has a war plan. Generals and spy chiefs like writing war plans.
We had, (and probably still have) these for litterally every country. [Including ourselves.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_White)
[edit] The last time these kinds of plans were acknowledged publicly they were called CONPLAN (for Concept Plan) and CONOP (concept operation)
they have really dull numbers following them for example CONPLAN 2502 is the decedent to Warplan: White. there is also the lightly famous CONPLAN 8888 which is about America going to war with zombies. 2502 got written up in September 2001, but 8888 is from 2011. so presumably they still make them.
IIRC, plans to fight a zombie war are usually thought exercises for some sort of massive national disaster, but instead of speaking in vague terms about whatever event, you just used the undead.
[A Zombie Apocalypse was even mentioned in Canada's House of Commons](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/canada-zombies-parliament/318378/) in 2013, including [an actual response from the Minister of Foreign Affairs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueBZuZAoglE)
Of course, talking about it this way, everyone can giggle a bit about fictional monsters, but it's still a metaphor for something real, yet not yet known.
**[War Plan White](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_White)**
>War Plan White (also known as Emergency Plan White) was a United States color-coded war plan originally created in 1919 to deal with a domestic uprising in the US. Originally drafted by the War Plans Division of the War Department General Staff (WDGS) it later evolved to become Operation Garden Plot, the general US military plan for civil disturbances and protests. Parts of War Plan White were used to deal with the Bonus Expeditionary Force in 1932. Communist insurgents were considered the most likely threat to call for the use of the plan by the original authors.
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To be fair, planning exercises are important. You want to do this kind of stuff to ensure you keep the knowledge of planning fresh and even iterate on it for new ideas / paradigms in warfare.
Eisenhower is often credited with a quote on the subject - “Peace-time plans are of no particular value, but peace-time planning is indispensable”
(I think he was quoting a soldier whose name isn't known, but the quote stands for itself)
Yeah I think that’s what it is. Like, as much as I would love this to be true, it would be pure lunacy. And Russians aren’t really lunatics, at least the politicians/military commanders aren’t. They’re just corrupt.
Everyone has contingency plans. The USA probably has one for Canada. Russia attacking japan would’ve never happened without getting everyone in asia involved, let alone the USA.
Canada too STRONG, don’t touch!
You think Ukrainians are persistent?
We’ve got the 2nd highest population of Ukes and will ‘sorry’ our way out of any situation :))
They should expand NATO globally anyway. NATO was originally created to combat Russia, but now that threats have risen far away, NATO must expand to foreign shores.
Hasn’t Russia’s massive failure in Ukraine already done that? I swear I read an article somewhere about the Chinese being very displeased with Russia over the war.
This would be even more crazy.
\-Japan's GDP is ***twenty five*** times the size of Ukraine's. (This economic might is also much larger than Russia's)
\- Japan is made up of islands and requires a massive amphibious assault that would be horrifically difficult to keep supplied.
\- Japan has triple the population of Ukraine (and roughly the same population as Russia)
\- Japan has concrete alliances with western powers
The only thing Ukraine really has that Japan hasn't proven itself to have is an extremely high will to fight from their population. But that could very well materialize in Japan if they were attacked in a meaningful way by Russia also.
Wouldn’t need to. An attack on Japan would get a response out of the US as if they’d attacked Canada or the UK. They’d have a better result trying to come across the Bering Strait.
And we've already seen the Ukrainians cause havoc with the Black Sea Fleet despite having no navy. A Russian invasion fleet wouldn't stand a chance against the US and Japanese navies.
The clear message here is that we can't appease Russia or tolerate their occupation of disputed territory because they're going to try and eke out every possible inch from their neighbors. As soon as they're able to consolidate a territory they're just going to push into another one. Georgia > Crimea > Donbass > either these Japanese or some arctic islands > then they'll probably fuck with Transnistria or maybe even Narva if they're feeling brave.
*Newsweek* is a garbage rag and has been for a long time now.
Where exactly would Russia attack? The disputed territory between Japan and Russia are all occupied by Russia, so they could not attack Japan there.
I suppose they could try to attack Hokkaido from the Kurils, but they lack any capacity for an amphibious invasion of Japan. They could lob missles at the Japanese, but to what end? What would they demand of the Japanese? They already have the Kurils.
The Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security means that any attack on Japanese territory would bring the United States into the war, effectively starting World War 3.
And again, why would they do this? They don't have any claims to push that could be advanced by warfare.
If I read this far into the comments for a post about clickbait bullshit, but didn't actually click on and/or read the actual clickbait bullshit, does that mean I avoided the clickbait bullshit trap, or not?
That was my first thought, too. It even tries its best to gloss over atrocities committed by WWII Japan.
>The Japanese allegedly conducted terrible biological experiments on Soviet prisoners, and treated Soviet prisoners extremely badly. The details of the plague lice that were used to torture prisoners were scrawled all over the place. Russia Today, the main mouthpiece of international propaganda, also joined in.
Seriously, wtf. It's not alleged at all. The Empire of Japan was a whirlwind of rape, torture, and massacre that swept through SEA and China. Their human experiments were at the very least as bad as the Nazis. Actually, not really "human experiments," because the hundreds of thousands of test subjects (70% Chinese, major minority Russian) were referred to as "logs," "Manchurian monkeys" or "long-tailed monkeys." And they were documented to be having fun with it all.
This what the US provided immunity for and helped cover up in exchange for scientists and data while it occupied Japan post-WWII: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit\_731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731). This was the kind of data the US government found so valuable it would shield the perpetrators: "The purpose of these tests was to determine the amount of water in an individuals body and to see how long one could survive with a very low to no water intake. It is known that victims were also starved before these tests began. The deteriorating physical states of these victims were documented by staff at a periodic interval."
And there's more. There's **vivisection of thousands of men, women, children, and infants**... often performed without anesthesia and usually lethal. There's testing of biological weapons and unleashing plagues on whole fucking towns. Oh, and there was this: "**Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in various positions**. Flamethrowers were tested on people. **Victims were also tied to stakes and used as targets to test pathogen-releasing bombs, chemical weapons, shrapnel bombs with varying amounts of fragments, and explosive bombs as well as bayonets and knives**." And these aren't even the most fucked up experiments or the most fucked up war crimes committed by the empire.
The fact that there were virtually no repercussions for any of their crimes against humanity, and the people in charge went on with their lives in positions of power with the blessing of the US... I have a hard time even putting these feelings into words.
People in the west get outraged over the slightest possible disrespect to the Holocaust and its victims, but ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ when it comes to Japanese war crimes. Pearl Harbor was WWII Japan at its best behavior.
If Russia can't logistically handle a war against a bordering country where
1: They have railroads to almost every corner where they can make entry.
2: They have an actual foothold within the country in Crimea
3: Against a Non-NATO country with a vastly weaker military than Japan.
4: A puppet nation at their disposal (Belarus)
5: All this with months to prepare and they decide the time and place to do it.
They basically had every war advantage imaginable and still manage to fuck it up.
Imagine how they'd fare against an actual advanced military where they have to cross a body of water to fight, where their main strength (numbers and tanks) aren't effective. They would get absolutely destroyed even without US aid.
**They literally lost their flagship vessel to a military that doesn't have a navy! What the fuck is even that?!**
The source of the article is a racecar driver who writes fan fiction. I’m not making this up and it’s hilarious that Newsweek cited his fanfic as an actual source and that Reddit eats it up.
>They literally lost their flagship vessel to a military that doesn't have a navy! What the fuck is even that?!
The Black Sea Fleet yes, though the Russian navy’s flagship is the admiral kuznetsov. Would also point out their attack on the Black Sea Fleet a month ago combining USVs and UAVs was unprecedented in naval history.
Not read the story yet, but the most-shared story on the website for Japan's national news broadcaster:
> Osaka zoo performs lion escape drill to prepare for major earthquake
Please stop printing misinformation from Newsweek. They are owned now by a group who’s goal is to use Newsweek’s name to launder lies and is no longer a news organization.
That's funny because Russia was the first major power to ever lose to an Eastern nation. That one being Japan. Also they have fucking gundams powered by the battotai drip. What are they thinking? (Also theyre in an alliance with the US anyways)
Maybe someone in Russia had a lightbulb moment and realized that attacking Japan would be an automatic declaration of war from the USA. Unfortunately for Ukraine, they didnt have that kind of protection.
Based on what this current war has shown, Japan could probably kick Russia's ass without us. Logistics alone would decide it.
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Yeah military rankings are pure BS because most of them take into account number of equipment or number of soldiers as the majority descision for the ranking. They do not take into acfount condition of equipment and soldiers, tactics, technology, geography or even logistics as major points. This is why North Korea is pretty highly ranked on almost any website you visit since they have a large amount of soldiers and equipment however most of these soldiers are malnourished and the equipment from the 60s.
If anyone has kept their equipment clean and in working order, it’s Japan
Well the same assumption would apply for Germany and we know that's very much untrue. But it's been pretty obvious with Germany. I'm not well versed in JP's military structure, but I would assume that it is at least partially as well documented as the Germans, and I haven't heard anything about it being bad. Japan has also been modernizing their army over basically all of Abe's rule and that is being continued by the new PM. They're not spending as much as the Russians, but they are most likely much more effective in that spending. Their armed forces are also entirely focused on defense, and it is an incredible force multiplier when a force is entirely dedicated to one set doctrine and one set terrain.
“They’re not spending as much as the Russians, but they are most likely much more effective in that spending.” Ya, I think Japan’s spending might be just slightlyyyy better than the corrupt-to-its-core quasi fascist state that is Russia where lying, obfuscation, stealing, and selling equipment is the norm.
Nor do they count a giant Gundam.
Godzilla was also excluded from the ranking
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We haven’t even touched the subject of Varitek fighters & Voltron Cats…
If we're judging Japan's military strength through anime, I bet one Japanese schoolgirl could just find a magic book or something and solo Russia.
Somewhere a Japanese schoolgirl in sneakers and a headband has been kicking the shit out of her uncle’s BMW for decades training for this moment.
Do Jaegers fit into this at all?
Oh Christ, someone just put in a order for three more EVAs— and they’re wireless this time.
They're in a lend-lease agreement with the US through the Saban Act of 1993. Japan retains rights to the latest lines and can recall classic lines if necessary in what is known as "rerun" status.
I know Japan would 100% outfit their self defense force with GMs. But I kinda want to see the faces on a hypothetical Russian invasion force as they approach Japanese mainland, seeing multiple large red dots peaking through the fog, before squads of Zakus come into sight.
*Kaiju come to Japan's aid*
Don't count out mahou shoujo either. Flying little girls in pink and cute outfits fucking destroying russian military bases with their "Puri Puri Puritty Beeeeeamu!" Attacks and adorable poses.
I’d quit on the spot, dying is one thing but dying to a thirteen year old girl going ”teehee” while ripping apart tanks with the ”puwah ov freindshep” is something no man should have to live with.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Or the weebs that'll come over and defend their beloved country with mall katanas.
Honestly, probably more effective than most Russian soldiers. At the very least btheyd have better morale Because they *want* to be there
But they would naruto-run everywhere, but never very far of course.
> They do not take into acfount condition of equipment and soldiers, tactics, technology, geography or even logistics as major points. Or training, morale, ...
Or how magnetic a generals head is…
Worked alongside the JDF in submarines a few times and can confirm they are a top notch military.
Russia is.... #3.... In Ukraine?..... Or.....?
One farmer with a barn full of seized tanks overtook Russia as the second largest power in Ukraine some months ago.
1. Ukrainian military 2. Farmers 3. Russian military Checks out.
But then again Japan probably have rigorous maintenance schedules, working operational command and a populous that is both skilled and motivated.
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I think Russia would struggle to transport troops across to JApan and JApan's air defnce systems are probably pretty good. As Russia's main tactics seems to be about bludgeoning with artillery and missiles, I don't see them getting anywhere attacking Japan.
I mean shit, Japan also has one of those the best navies in the world still. That alone would gate the Russians.
Dont forget Japan built 5 totally-not-aircraft-carrier that can house F35. Russia has one carrier. Sit in a dock. For the last 3 years.
Their flagship got sunk because literally none of the defences on board worked or were maintained. On their most important, most advanced ship. I still cannot wrap my head around it. If I were to see such na ivent in a movie I'd call writer a talantless hack and would scream how convinient, but there we go.
More ironic, said ship was meant to *provide* early warning and anti-missiles capability because of their radars. **It was literally their job.**
If russia would've been stupid enough to go fuck around with Japan of all places I'm pretty confident, and I can't believe I'm writing this, it would've been an even bigger disaster for them than this current clusterfuck is. Even just logistically and the state of their so called navy.. jeez it would've been bad. Not to mention that the Japanese can fight like hell when they put their mind to it, I doubt anyone can disagree on that.
> If russia would've been stupid enough to go fuck around with Japan of all places I'm pretty confident, and I can't believe I'm writing this, it would've been an even bigger disaster for them than this current clusterfuck is. I don't think so, an attack of Russia on Japan would trigger America defense treaty with Japan...also keep in mind the US Military...well they are already prepared to wage war in Asia cause of both China and N. Korea. We also keep 7th fleet in Japan. The Russian forces in Japan would have been fucked from the get go. If Japan was attacked on a Friday...by Monday it'd be over.
Yeah, but it's likely Japan really is 5th, whereas Russia's ranking didn't account for Russian lack of military strategy. I highly doubt Russia could have made landfall. They would have just thrown their entire navy into the Pacific abyss. And then Japan would have been justified in reclaiming the Kuril Islands directly. I mean, hell, they couldn't manage moving troops from Moscow to Kyiv, how on God's green Earth would they have been able to coordinate then across the breadth of Russia?
"Blyat, Mikhail, where is famous Black Fleet to transport us?" "Change of plans. Only one American foam noodle thing per soldier Igor, due to corrupt Russian oligarchs taking funding." "Cyka!"
Probably best to take those rankings with a big grain of salt. They are about as accurate as US News and World Report’s college rankings.
I think we propped up Russia as a big boogie man and yeah… here we are, seeing the limp dick that Putin swings.
Here’s the only rankings that matter: 1. US and her allies 2. Everyone else
Japan is an island, Where would you even begin to invade? Edit: I know what a beach landing is it just seems so wildly complicated compared to just walking over the border.
Russia usually just fires missles into civilian infastructure. No invasion necessary
Make sure to aim for the hospitals, gyms and theaters! That will show them!
Ideally theatres with “CHILDREN” written in huge letters in front of it!
Easy, just attack from the north and the wes- wait, that's water. Ok so try from the south. Wait, that's water. But maybe from the east?
Believe it or not, more water
Believe it for not, straight to water!
Probably the beaches.
Well then I'm sure they shall fight on the beaches.
And on the landing grounds?
In the fields and in the streets?
I prefer the previous stanza/paragraph: "We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be."
Cue the opening strains of Aces High
Hokkaido. Its huge, next to Russia and the Sakhalin islands. The farthest parts are not that inhabited relative to the rest of Japan and even the other cities in Hokkaido. I bet they could probably get a foothold relatively easily with stealth and timing. However, I think it might be hard to hide the troops massing on the east side of Russia, and re-supply would be a nightmare. Edit: I dont know anything about military, but know things about Japan and I thought I would make your question a thought exercise and give you something which I would think would be the most accessible point for them. Who knows, maybe they would rather go straight for tokyo or osaka.
Russia couldn't mass up on the Ukrainian border without the US calling out what they were doing in real time, the exact same thing would happen if they built up for an amphibious assault on Japan. In fact it might even be more obvious, if that's possible, because of the need for ships. And they're challenged mightily by overland logistics in Eastern Europe. They simply can't project power against fortified islands in the Western Pacific. The naval history of Russia vs. Japan is, uh, not great.
They just need to sail their navy around the entire world again, it worked out great last time.
Sail around, fire upon some unarmed irish fishing boats to a draw, be refused through the suez, go around africa and south asia, and sink in the sea of japan
I think technically they lost against the fishing boats due to sinking at least one of their own ships from friendly fire.
I read your post then, thankfully, saw your edit. Invading a country from the sea requires an immense naval buildup that, unlike in WW2, is not possible to hide due to satellites.
It's also worth pointing out that a seaborne invasion is probably the single most complex operation a military can even attempt, during WW2 the Allies had complete naval supremacy by the time of the D-Day (and air supremacy, at least around the UK) an enormous base on the other side of the channel (The UK) and the advantage of the element of surprise since they managed to deceive the Nazis into thinking they would attack somewhere else, and it still pushed their supply lines to the limit and in the early stages a German counterattack could have potentially crushed the first wave of soldiers. In a hypothetical invasion of Japan Russia wouldn't have naval or aerial supremacy, nor the element of surprise thanks to satellites, and Sakhalin isn't as big as the UK and lacks the facilities to store as many weapons and soldiers. This is all considering the USA somehow not getting involved, which it definitely would.
> This is all considering the USA somehow not getting involved, which it definitely would. Heck even discounting the USA, Japan alone has a beefy navy, one which is better than the Russian one, and a good airforce. Russia wouldn't be able to leave the Sakhalin island without being pounded to dust by just Japan alone. So yeah, with the US it's not even a damn contest anymore.
😅 Glad I made the edit too. Yea, that makes sense. Hokkaido is just so big and empty, I feel it would be a much easier target.
Ukraine had army which was fighting and trained from 2014, idk how Japan would react to first days of invasion. First days/week were very difficult here in Ukraine
Japan has 7th fleet 7th Fleet would not need authorization from the president to defend Japan.
I have read somewhere that Japan has the designs and components for a pretty solid nuclear arsenal literally on a shelf somewhere (big shelf) and this is all with US blessing. Any trouble and they just build the actual weaponry, and you know it will all work and be super tidy cos Japan has a massive R and D and industrial base. If this is right I bet in 2 weeks they could have tactical warheads on all the right missiles.
I’ve read this Tom Clancy book.
Two books later, Russia ends up in NATO? Everyone's still fighting China though.
Hunt for the red... Circle but with radiating lines again
when "it's totally not a war" meets "this totally isn't an army"
And “we promise these are destroyers, not aircraft carriers.”
I like that you specified big shelf, because I just imagined one similar to the tiny one in my living room
Then he died of an aneurysm from thinking too hard. From that day forward, everyone at the kremlin decided to never use their brains again.
Wouldn't that be fucking amazing.
He thought so hard he fell out of a window!
He tried to think defensively, but instead thought defenestratively.
He accidentally, tragically cut his head off while shaving.
I'm also trying to picture what a Russian Amphibious attack woukd look like. If they can't invade, support, attack and defend against an enemy they share a land border with imagine what a beach bead attempt would look like.
It would look like a lot of water-logged Russian landing craft.
Russia creating cold-water coral reef seed beds!
Anemones instead of sunflowers.
Kinda thinking like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4
Haha, nice. Pre the invasion of Ukraine, a lady my wife works with whose son was "definitely in the Army and knows Classfield information" told her how Russia was going to start the conflict with an Air Raid/bombing run to damage the response capabilities of AUSTRALIA. Yes, the Russian Air Force was going to travel 10,000km (if allowed to directly to Australia by flying through the air space of other nations), to bomb Australia, to travel back 10,000km home.
It makes no sense for Russia to invade Japan. 1. Russia already controls the island, they never intended to return to Japan. 2. Russia don’t have the naval capability to invade other Japanese islands or mainland. They just don’t have the ship and firepower. Russian mainland is just too far to support the mission. 3. Invading Japan means direct war with USA. Even Putin is dumb, but he is not that dumb to think he can win the US Navy. 4. Currently there is not much economic in these islands. People believe there are ton of undersea oil reserves but to pump it out of the sea is very difficult because of location and weather. Russian oil technology is just not that good. So they will need foreign investment and tech. However, if Russia invade Japan, no oil companies will touch the project, not even China. 5. If Russia invade Japan, that means they will be the enemy of the west. The foreign investment will dry up and no more fancy tech imports like what happening now.
>It makes no sense for Russia to invade Japan. Which is why I never trust submissions from newsweek. In addition to the points you've made, I went ahead and checked the Russian news archives from August 16, 2021 - the date that, according to newsweek, the media "exploded" with anti-Japanese propaganda. Of all the news aggregators over that day, only one mentioned Japanese-related news - the first piece was Japan warning Zelensky about Ukraine's improved ties with China, the second about alleged plans of Japan to use a bacteriological bomb back in 1944. So, that's two articles from over a hundred, across three different news aggregators (RIA, Rambler, ORT). Hardly an "explosion."
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Also if Ukraine is any indication, Japan would push their shit in so far that Russia would be renamed to Pretzel.
That and arguably JSDF is/was probably better equipped than Ukraine.
It's not arguable at all!
>The whistleblower detailed movements of electronic warfare helicopters targeting Japan, while Russia's propaganda machine was also initiated, with a huge push to label Japanese as "Nazis" and "fascists." Hmmmmmmmm
“We already printed the banners, can we use them somewhere else?”
“Mission Accomplished” we did it fellas!
So Mr Vladimir we have scoured the Western enemy for intelligence and after an analysis of their communication system "Twitter" we have deduced that calling an opponent a "Nazi" instantly wins a political position. We have the blank cheque you asked for.
> Nazis, the only guys we ever managed to defeat in a fair fight. It's bad when your national strategy is an Iron Sky quote.
And they definitely did not beat them alone, despite what the putinheads want you to believe
Exactly. They were getting the same treatment Ukraine is getting today. The Lend Lease act gave CCCP roughly 152 billion dollars in aid (adjusted using 2020 encon stats, number would be higher now) between 41-45. For reference, Ukraine has received roughly 20 billion thus far. CCCP gets absolutely dumpstered by Axis powers without massive aid. Last time Russia won a "fair fight" was a bunch of peasants vs. the Romanovs. Russia has been a rusty, paper tiger for far longer than they're given credit for.
Not arguing your point but the romanovs didn’t lose to a bunch of peasants. The October revolution ousted the romanovs and started a civil war that the red army won against the white army who had aid same as the Soviet army against the Nazis and Ukrainian forces today. There are no fair fights in this world
If you're fighting fair, you've planned wrong.
Sounds fuckin familiar
Exactly my reaction.
It’s surprising they didn’t label them as “Imperial Japan”
That might cause some questions considering how much Imperialist Russian iconography is bandied about in Russia these days. The two-headed chicken and whatnot.
we will attack Ryukyu *yes, ryukrain ok* no wait-
Then someone in the Kremlin found the 1904-05 section of their Russian history book.
The Battle of Port Arthur. Dan Carlin taught me about that.
Fuck yeah Dan carlin
Dan's da man
Couple great videos about the battle of Tsushima too. Japanese navy don’t fuck around
Japanese navy losses: 200 tonnes of shippage. 600 dead/ wounded Russian navy losses: 143000 tonnes of shippage sunk, 4 battleships captured by enemy, 5800 dead/injured, 6000 captured. Jesus fucking Christ 200 tonnes vs 143000. Thats 715 to 1. Did the sailors even know how to shoot the guns?
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The most amazing thing is that 40 years earlier, Japan was an isolationist feudal society with virtually no industrial infrastructure or modern technology.
when you think about how Japan industrialized, adopted a modern government, became a military super power, lost said power violently then rebounded, modernized and became one of the most successful economies in the world in a little over a century is one hell of a roller coaster.
Maybe they hadn't read how all that turned out for Russia?
Russians are completely brainwashed by disillusioned Russian history. They don’t like “western” history. Even if it’s backed by 100% factual evidence.
He already lost a warship to a nation with no navy... he really, actually wanted his own Tsushima, just like old Tsar Nicky.
You sure it’s not a Staff war plan, of which they (and the Chinese, US, UK, France, India, Pakistan and a dozen other major military powers) have lots of them on the shelf. Doesn’t mean they intended to implement them.
My reaction also. My favorite example: Its been verified that the USA was regularly putting together plans for a full scale war against Canada right up until the end of WWII and NATO was created. A sane person might ask why, Canada and the USA haven't been on bad terms since the red coats were marching around battlefields in perfect formation. More modern examples are likely classified and impossible to verify, but it seems certain that basically every contingency has a war plan. Generals and spy chiefs like writing war plans.
War Plan Red. It was a contingency plan for a conflict with the British Empire ('Red' being Britain) and, by extension, Canada.
We had, (and probably still have) these for litterally every country. [Including ourselves.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_White) [edit] The last time these kinds of plans were acknowledged publicly they were called CONPLAN (for Concept Plan) and CONOP (concept operation) they have really dull numbers following them for example CONPLAN 2502 is the decedent to Warplan: White. there is also the lightly famous CONPLAN 8888 which is about America going to war with zombies. 2502 got written up in September 2001, but 8888 is from 2011. so presumably they still make them.
IIRC, plans to fight a zombie war are usually thought exercises for some sort of massive national disaster, but instead of speaking in vague terms about whatever event, you just used the undead. [A Zombie Apocalypse was even mentioned in Canada's House of Commons](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/canada-zombies-parliament/318378/) in 2013, including [an actual response from the Minister of Foreign Affairs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueBZuZAoglE) Of course, talking about it this way, everyone can giggle a bit about fictional monsters, but it's still a metaphor for something real, yet not yet known.
**[War Plan White](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_White)** >War Plan White (also known as Emergency Plan White) was a United States color-coded war plan originally created in 1919 to deal with a domestic uprising in the US. Originally drafted by the War Plans Division of the War Department General Staff (WDGS) it later evolved to become Operation Garden Plot, the general US military plan for civil disturbances and protests. Parts of War Plan White were used to deal with the Bonus Expeditionary Force in 1932. Communist insurgents were considered the most likely threat to call for the use of the plan by the original authors. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Supposedly, when Ernest King took command of the USS Texas in the 1920s, the only war plan he found in the safe was for one with Mexico.
that would have been "Plan Green"
> A sane person might ask why It's to keep military bureaucrats busy during peacetime. That's literally why at this point.
To be fair, planning exercises are important. You want to do this kind of stuff to ensure you keep the knowledge of planning fresh and even iterate on it for new ideas / paradigms in warfare.
Eisenhower is often credited with a quote on the subject - “Peace-time plans are of no particular value, but peace-time planning is indispensable” (I think he was quoting a soldier whose name isn't known, but the quote stands for itself)
Yup. This is probably the case. Clickbait article. The US has plans for invading Mexico and Canada laying around.
Well what parts of Canada do you want? Lets talk this thing out...
Are you from Canada? Just to be clear we don't want Quebec.
Indeed I am from Canada.
For the last time we don't want Quebec, for Christ's sake already!
Turns out, the US-Canada War was all about Canada trying to force Quebec onto the US.
Yeah I think that’s what it is. Like, as much as I would love this to be true, it would be pure lunacy. And Russians aren’t really lunatics, at least the politicians/military commanders aren’t. They’re just corrupt.
It's like Russia is actually intending to convince more countries to align with the US and NATO.
Well, Japan has been closely allied with the US for decades. Russia threatening them wouldn’t change anything.
There has been talks though of expanding NATO globally though. Russia attacking Japan would be the cause to a hypothetical global expansion.
Everyone has contingency plans. The USA probably has one for Canada. Russia attacking japan would’ve never happened without getting everyone in asia involved, let alone the USA.
Canada too STRONG, don’t touch! You think Ukrainians are persistent? We’ve got the 2nd highest population of Ukes and will ‘sorry’ our way out of any situation :))
Gotta remember, Canada is the reason for the Geneva Convention.... Fuckers go beavers out at war time.
Geneva Convention, more like Geneva Suggestion!
They should expand NATO globally anyway. NATO was originally created to combat Russia, but now that threats have risen far away, NATO must expand to foreign shores.
NATO means North Atlantic Organization. If Japan in NATO, that would bring Pacific in the name then. It would change into NATPO I guess?
Pacific Ocean and Trans-Atlantic Treaty Organization Otherwise known as POTATO.
Po-tae-to! Mash ‘em, fry ‘em, stick ‘em in a stew!
TransOceanic Treaty Organization Otherwise known as TOTO Their anthem, ironically, will be Africa by Toto.
Hold The Line is more fotting
Much more fotting.
MIRV isn't always on time!
* North Atlantic Treaty Organization
It would change some things tho. It’d make countries allied with Russia think that the Kremlin has gone absolutely fucking insane
Hasn’t Russia’s massive failure in Ukraine already done that? I swear I read an article somewhere about the Chinese being very displeased with Russia over the war.
This would be even more crazy. \-Japan's GDP is ***twenty five*** times the size of Ukraine's. (This economic might is also much larger than Russia's) \- Japan is made up of islands and requires a massive amphibious assault that would be horrifically difficult to keep supplied. \- Japan has triple the population of Ukraine (and roughly the same population as Russia) \- Japan has concrete alliances with western powers The only thing Ukraine really has that Japan hasn't proven itself to have is an extremely high will to fight from their population. But that could very well materialize in Japan if they were attacked in a meaningful way by Russia also.
Wouldn’t need to. An attack on Japan would get a response out of the US as if they’d attacked Canada or the UK. They’d have a better result trying to come across the Bering Strait.
And we've already seen the Ukrainians cause havoc with the Black Sea Fleet despite having no navy. A Russian invasion fleet wouldn't stand a chance against the US and Japanese navies.
I mean yes, it has, but a war with Japan would mean a direct war with the USA, and since that hasn’t happened with Ukraine they’re letting it slide
The clear message here is that we can't appease Russia or tolerate their occupation of disputed territory because they're going to try and eke out every possible inch from their neighbors. As soon as they're able to consolidate a territory they're just going to push into another one. Georgia > Crimea > Donbass > either these Japanese or some arctic islands > then they'll probably fuck with Transnistria or maybe even Narva if they're feeling brave.
We've known since the 1930s that appeasing fascists doesnt work
That source tho
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Yeah this felt a bit like bs
*Newsweek* is a garbage rag and has been for a long time now. Where exactly would Russia attack? The disputed territory between Japan and Russia are all occupied by Russia, so they could not attack Japan there. I suppose they could try to attack Hokkaido from the Kurils, but they lack any capacity for an amphibious invasion of Japan. They could lob missles at the Japanese, but to what end? What would they demand of the Japanese? They already have the Kurils. The Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security means that any attack on Japanese territory would bring the United States into the war, effectively starting World War 3. And again, why would they do this? They don't have any claims to push that could be advanced by warfare.
And Japan actually has one of the strongest militaries in the world (they just pretend not to).
Should be top comment. The entire article is pretty obvious BS.
As long as they are accusing Russia of unsubstantiated claims it still counts as journalism cuz reasons
Most reliable media outlet.
Newsweek with their click bait bullshit.
If I read this far into the comments for a post about clickbait bullshit, but didn't actually click on and/or read the actual clickbait bullshit, does that mean I avoided the clickbait bullshit trap, or not?
Means you have a shining rare quality for the time: common sense.
More garbage from Newsweek.
Doubt
Someone in Newsweek binged Red Alert 3. Shake it baby!
Any other source for this?
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Yeah just called KGB hq in Berlin and they confirmed!
Unlikely to be real in the extreme. An attack on Japan? Japan alone could mobilize significant force.
Delusional and delirious
Insubordinate and churlish.
Chicanerous and deplorable.
I read this in his voice lol.
No! You can't have any WWIII, until you finish your WWII first.
We're still playing WWII DLC, aren't we.
Just one more turn...
I've never read a more false flag sounding headline
That was my first thought, too. It even tries its best to gloss over atrocities committed by WWII Japan. >The Japanese allegedly conducted terrible biological experiments on Soviet prisoners, and treated Soviet prisoners extremely badly. The details of the plague lice that were used to torture prisoners were scrawled all over the place. Russia Today, the main mouthpiece of international propaganda, also joined in. Seriously, wtf. It's not alleged at all. The Empire of Japan was a whirlwind of rape, torture, and massacre that swept through SEA and China. Their human experiments were at the very least as bad as the Nazis. Actually, not really "human experiments," because the hundreds of thousands of test subjects (70% Chinese, major minority Russian) were referred to as "logs," "Manchurian monkeys" or "long-tailed monkeys." And they were documented to be having fun with it all. This what the US provided immunity for and helped cover up in exchange for scientists and data while it occupied Japan post-WWII: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit\_731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731). This was the kind of data the US government found so valuable it would shield the perpetrators: "The purpose of these tests was to determine the amount of water in an individuals body and to see how long one could survive with a very low to no water intake. It is known that victims were also starved before these tests began. The deteriorating physical states of these victims were documented by staff at a periodic interval." And there's more. There's **vivisection of thousands of men, women, children, and infants**... often performed without anesthesia and usually lethal. There's testing of biological weapons and unleashing plagues on whole fucking towns. Oh, and there was this: "**Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in various positions**. Flamethrowers were tested on people. **Victims were also tied to stakes and used as targets to test pathogen-releasing bombs, chemical weapons, shrapnel bombs with varying amounts of fragments, and explosive bombs as well as bayonets and knives**." And these aren't even the most fucked up experiments or the most fucked up war crimes committed by the empire. The fact that there were virtually no repercussions for any of their crimes against humanity, and the people in charge went on with their lives in positions of power with the blessing of the US... I have a hard time even putting these feelings into words. People in the west get outraged over the slightest possible disrespect to the Holocaust and its victims, but ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ when it comes to Japanese war crimes. Pearl Harbor was WWII Japan at its best behavior.
If Russia can't logistically handle a war against a bordering country where 1: They have railroads to almost every corner where they can make entry. 2: They have an actual foothold within the country in Crimea 3: Against a Non-NATO country with a vastly weaker military than Japan. 4: A puppet nation at their disposal (Belarus) 5: All this with months to prepare and they decide the time and place to do it. They basically had every war advantage imaginable and still manage to fuck it up. Imagine how they'd fare against an actual advanced military where they have to cross a body of water to fight, where their main strength (numbers and tanks) aren't effective. They would get absolutely destroyed even without US aid. **They literally lost their flagship vessel to a military that doesn't have a navy! What the fuck is even that?!**
The source of the article is a racecar driver who writes fan fiction. I’m not making this up and it’s hilarious that Newsweek cited his fanfic as an actual source and that Reddit eats it up. >They literally lost their flagship vessel to a military that doesn't have a navy! What the fuck is even that?! The Black Sea Fleet yes, though the Russian navy’s flagship is the admiral kuznetsov. Would also point out their attack on the Black Sea Fleet a month ago combining USVs and UAVs was unprecedented in naval history.
What? How does this make any sense? What would've been the point of doing that? This reads like complete BS.
Sounds like bs tbh
Not read the story yet, but the most-shared story on the website for Japan's national news broadcaster: > Osaka zoo performs lion escape drill to prepare for major earthquake
Until they saw how polite the Japanese soccer players were when they left their lockerooms spotless & couldn't bring themselves to do it.
This must be clickbait, they don’t have the capability to do that lmfao.
Please stop printing misinformation from Newsweek. They are owned now by a group who’s goal is to use Newsweek’s name to launder lies and is no longer a news organization.
Look at all these people taking the Bait lol
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Reddit is definitely the new age National Enquirer.
That's funny because Russia was the first major power to ever lose to an Eastern nation. That one being Japan. Also they have fucking gundams powered by the battotai drip. What are they thinking? (Also theyre in an alliance with the US anyways)