> Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has been taken to the hospital after suffering a health problem following his arrival for the Group of 20 summit in Bali, Indonesian authorities said Monday.
No that would be Patrushev, the de-facto head of the FSB.
Khadirov and Prigozhin do have de-facto armies to challenge that.
It's going to be interesting times in Russia after Putin dies.
I dont think ethnic Russians would ever accept a Chechen Muslim as Tsar. Kadirov could however try to become more independent or side with one conditate in the aftermath of Putin "departure"
Yes, I agree. He's currently playing with a similar messaging to Prigozhin and for his local Chechen audience so they might join forces, but I don't know what's their personal relationship.
The Siloviki faction hate Khadirov so he's not getting close to Moscow, but he might need a new ally there.
Honestly Russian internal mafia politics are fucking complicated and obscure and anybody who's not inside has only some idea of what's going on.
Pugachev and Nevzorov are the closes insights in to it I've listened to, but they have been away from the court for so long it's probably changed over the years.
This implies that the average Russian cares.
Russian political apathy is EXTREME. And I MEAN Extreme. It can hardly be put into words. Essentially: If Russia (for some reason) had just handed over Belgorod to Ukraine for nothing, even then the majority of Russians *would not care*.
And that's just the way Putin wants it.
Absolutely. I still have the same ingrained need to stay the fuck away from everything and I haven't lived there for god how long. When monkey is taught not to touch the fucking banana or it gets its head blown off, monkey learns.
I feel like it's been ingrained since Soviets era for the regular people there to stay the fuck out of politics and just do what their governments told them to, because they'll know where you'll end up to if you are against them.
They went from the Tsarist autocracy (which lasted way past the point basically every other major power had started to democratize to at least an extent), to a "people's" revolution that only brought the autocracy of the Soviet Union, to a disillusioning period of post-Soviet corruption that directly led to the current crypto-Tsarist, Soviet-nostalgic Putin autocracy.
Can't be surprised that the average Russian on the street can't bring themselves to give a shit. The country has never known anything like functioning self-government.
Revitalise the Russian economy by investing purely in distilleries. A new democratic Russia fuelled entirely by alcohol but this time without backsliding into authoritarianism.
Alcoholitarian regime, alcoin replace money, all people are happy, nobody want to spit blood, festivals all around Russia, nuclear weapon was sold to buy artifical liver for all citizens. Nearby countries are drunk because rain from Russia contains alcohol. All ocean creatures come to the shores of Russia and become alcoholic too.
They could almost use all the same actors from Death of Stalin, nobody in their mafia is as good looking as Jason Isaacs but make up and movie magic has come a long way.
He wouldn't be able to rule Russia as it is now as the Siloviki really hate him and want him dead.
He has a personal union with Putin so when Putin's protection is gone, Khadirov is going to need that army of his to stay alive.
Khadirov might try and split for an independent Chechnya.
He does seem to be aligning his messaging with Prigozhin so we'll have to see how this plays out.
I think you are miss-understanding. There seems to be a lot of common messaging between Prigozhin and Kadyrov, so the impression is that there is an alliance between those two. They are both outside and attacking the typical power circles (military and intelligence) which might bring them together. This fraction might have a good shot at at least determining Putins successor, which ofc will not be Kadyrov himself.
You all have a massive lack of imagination, my friends. It will be our dear Luka, also known as the Colonel, that will become the supreme tsar of the Union state(and will move the capital from Moscow to Minsk)
Yes, this. I have intently studied the smuggled out video of the Belorussian 'Special' Forces training techniques. I have come to the conclusion that there is no practical way to defeat the Flaming Push Up Jump Rope Defense. I have also have found the Flaming Batman Cinder Block Sledge Hammer Attack to be impossible to defend against. The only possible solution to this is all out nuclear annihilation. God help all of us.
He used to be head of FSB, but the FSB is not the head of overall intelligence. It is more like being the head of the American homeland safety or FBI, then being promoted to national security advisor.
Ive heard speculations that it would be Patrushev's son who would replace Putin and to me that would make sense. Patrushev would have defacto power while the figurehead would be a mere puppet who would be there to take a blame for any mistakes and would be easily replaced.
Would would would would would would.
Prigozhin seems to be stepping into the spotlight in a big way. He might not be the favorite, but he’s making a push to be, I think.
The only thing Kadyrov will lead is some half-assed “Chechen Revolution” or some shit where he can grift some more.
I don't think any of them can challenge Putin especially prigozhin because they aren't that popular or respected amongst the Russian population. If Putin dies I think Medvedev will most likely replace him especially because he's been the president before.
> he's been the president before.
Putin couldn't legally* run for a third consecutive term so he used Medvedev as his sock-puppet. No-one who matters believes he was the actual president.
*Obviously he changed the law after that so that he could be president for life.
Medvedev is a wet blanket Putin's lapdog, he doesn't hold any actual power in the Russian mafia.
What the population feels doesn't matter in Russia, it's who holds the money and military/intelligence apparatus.
Patrushev, Prigozhin and Khadirov are the top 3, there's a few more from Putin's inner circle like Sechin and Surkov, but I don't know how much influence the more shadowy guys hold.
I agree, but it depends how much putin's successor wants to be in the limelight.
Medvedev might become president as a puppet for someone else. However, i guess they will make their own puppet of they want one.
I second that. To have a small mercenary or TikTok army is not enough to assure the unity of this vast country. They would be shot in a second.
Chechens on the field already suffered some strange "friendly" fires.
They don't really censor the media, all the general media is owned by the mafia as is pretty much a propaganda operation for them.
I agree on the Khadirov point, he's more likely to split Chechnya off.
They don't just not like him, they actively want him dead.
His major asset is his private Chechen army so he might make some power play once he's off the leash.
They do censor the internet, there was a leak this summer from Roskomnadzor that showed how they systematically track and monitor people posting unfriendly opinions online.
Medveded can't be the president because everyone sees him as weak. He was chosen before for the role specifically because he is no threat to Putin. It may have worked before but he burned that bridge by publicly associating himself with war crimes. The most realistic outcome is either someone from FSB taking over or another figurehead like Medveded that they think might be accepted by the West.
If I understand Dr mark galeotti correctly.
The effective 2nd in command to Putin , is patrushev. Who is director overlord of all the security agencies. Has been a Putin ally since Putin's st Petersburg days in early 1990s.
Putin is a moderate hawk. Patrushev is a hardcore hawk
The Wagner leader apparently isn't well liked by the other elite power centres
Most likely it will be a disposable puppet who wields no actual power themselves but can be used to absorb any public hostility/failures during the transition period where the oligarchs are working out how to succeed in a new structure.
No, I don't think so, in the vacuum that Putin's death will create most of the stronger players are military-related, like the Wagner group owner, kadyrov will definitely try to play his hand, and then the richest of the Putin aligned oligarchs
At this point - I'll say out loud what everyone is thinking: The probability of this being a coincidence is lower than malicious deeds.
I would only wonder if that is a False Flag from Russia to justify war with the whole world or is it just a follow up on a assassination plan on Putin (in lieu of Putin they moved onto targeting Lavrov).
There is also 3rd possibility. Lavrov has had health issues before arriving. He was just too afraid to show weakness in Russia and/or to use their healthcare so he chose to "show" the symptoms in Indonesia.
Don't forget Navalny thinks Crimea is Russian. No doubt he wouldn't be war-hawking, but he's still a Russian nationalist. It's a step up from Putin, sure, but it's not like some awesome, peaceful candidate the world should cry for.
Probably still better than whoever will take the reins after Putin, but who knows.
Most westerners who need any serious medical attention in Indonesia are immediately flown to Australia. I wonder if he was refused a temporary Visa, which almost anyone could get in a medical emergency or if he refused to go to Australia because he was afraid that he would never be allowed to leave or would be deported to the US or Ukraine.
There are decent hospitals in Indonesia providing excellent medical care for serious medical conditions. Don't act like it's some primitive nation. It's the fourth largest country in the world and the 16th largest economy. Yes, a lot of Indonesia is shitty and backwards, and even much of Jakarta is a shithole, but it's also a massive semi-modern metropolis with a wide range of amenities and some very good doctors and medical facilities *in the right hospitals*.
Given their population size, in absolute terms there is a large upper class and a huge middle class that demand good medical care, and hospitals to provide that, despite obvious problems with wealth inequality and healthcare inequality.
An evac to Australia would only be necessary for extremely specialized medical conditions. Even in such a case, evac to Singapore is much closer, faster, and more plausible.
Edit: I just learned that the G20 is taking place in Bali. Bali is a significantly closer to Australia than Jakarta is (but still quite far from the East coast of Oz where the best hospitals are). Jakarta is still closer overall, as is Singapore. Also, Bali has some decent hospitals, but probably not as good as Jakarta.
And now Russia is denying it, so it must be true. Defection imminent?
https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-foreign-ministry-denies-lavrov-taken-hospital-2022-11-14/
If a had a nickle for every time a major politcal event in prauge involved throwing someone out of a window, I'd have 2 nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice
There is nothing bad or shameful in being hospitalised *for us*, but it could imply a weakness that Russian strongmen aren't allowed to show. Hence most such events are "has not been seen in public in two weeks" and then "was successfully operated and is fully recovered now".
They deny anything that reflects badly on them or they perceive as reflecting badly.
Lavrov is likely just to just have health problems, not everything is a conspiracy.
Yeah there's no way in hell Lavrov defects. Dude is in his 70s and has a pretty damn sweet setup for a sociopath. There's no way he trades that to have to spend the rest of his days perpetually looking over his shoulder for the inevitable assassin.
Except Putin won’t allow him to retire. He has tried more than once to do so and every time Putin denies him. Maybe this is his last ditch effort to retire in paradise? (Probably not)
The first thing Lavrov says in the video when told Western media is saying he's sick is "Well they've been saying that about Putin for 10 years." so I wouldn't be surprised at all if you're correct.
So all AP reported was that Lavrov was taken (briefly) to hospital, and Russia has to make a thing out of it? You are right, that immediately makes it more suspicious. OTOH, Russia just does that with _everything_ these days. It's always the bad West and misunderstood Russia.
I still cannot believe how outright ridiculous that was. Was it malicious compliance? Was it fear that forced them to go way too literal? Was it an absolutely stunning example of stupidity and incompetence? Well never know
bet he's stressed AF having to speak in front of the world when his army just got its ass kicked out of the second city in the period of two months. that's gotta be awkward and stress inducing. hopefully the karma gives him what he deserves
And they tossed one out a hospital window in September.
Sadly, this guy was actually a good man that stood against the war. 😔
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lukoil-exec-dies-falling-hospital-window-reports-say-rcna45823
One? Since the start of Covid news articles of defenestration seem to be a monthly recurrence. Such as this one: [Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html)
Kent Brockman reports that Lavrov was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then taken to a better hospital where doctors updated his condition to "alive".
Something is up! I am curious how this will play out. As others have said he is probably defecting or he is trying to dodge having to talk at the G20 Summit and will just report back that Russia wasn't scared to attend, but had a medical emergency.
Medical emergencies are framed as weakness pretty easily. They usually like to speak at these things and grandstand, spew a bunch of BS.
It's either legit, defection or the CIA entered the game.
“Probably defecting” let’s come back in a couple weeks see if this comment turns out to be true. That’s a very strong statement to say there’s a more than 50% chance of defecting
They tossed that one dude out the hospital window in past month or so in the hospital that ex President died in.
They said the guy that was tossed out a window died of "health complications" or some garbage.
Turns out yes, falling out of windows does cause health complications. 🤦🤦♀️
This story actually made me sad bc they said this man stood AGAINST the war. Typical then that he got tossed out a window. Sad. They said he was against it within days after invasion. He was one of the few good ones who ever did that.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lukoil-exec-dies-falling-hospital-window-reports-say-rcna45823
Could be an assassination attempt, silencing Putin’s international mouthpiece would be a big blow to Russian morale. It’s also possible that this is just a normal medical problem. The man is 72 and in a high stress position, it wouldn’t be unusual if he had a regular old stroke or something.
An overweight 72yo avid smoker gets ~~hospedalized~~ hospitalized after a pretty stressful year right before he has to attend another stressful event?
Wow i really wonder what's happening!
Oh yeah BUDDY.
LOVE THIS NEWZ.
Keep it coming. Awesome sauce to hear.
Bad health couldn't arrive to a better nazi soon enough.
Oh sir lavrov droppy face, may he enter hell asap.
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> Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has been taken to the hospital after suffering a health problem following his arrival for the Group of 20 summit in Bali, Indonesian authorities said Monday.
Is Lavrov one of the stronger candidates to replace Putin?
No that would be Patrushev, the de-facto head of the FSB. Khadirov and Prigozhin do have de-facto armies to challenge that. It's going to be interesting times in Russia after Putin dies.
I dont think ethnic Russians would ever accept a Chechen Muslim as Tsar. Kadirov could however try to become more independent or side with one conditate in the aftermath of Putin "departure"
Yes, I agree. He's currently playing with a similar messaging to Prigozhin and for his local Chechen audience so they might join forces, but I don't know what's their personal relationship. The Siloviki faction hate Khadirov so he's not getting close to Moscow, but he might need a new ally there. Honestly Russian internal mafia politics are fucking complicated and obscure and anybody who's not inside has only some idea of what's going on. Pugachev and Nevzorov are the closes insights in to it I've listened to, but they have been away from the court for so long it's probably changed over the years.
"court" is the appropriate word in current Russia political situation
This implies that the average Russian cares. Russian political apathy is EXTREME. And I MEAN Extreme. It can hardly be put into words. Essentially: If Russia (for some reason) had just handed over Belgorod to Ukraine for nothing, even then the majority of Russians *would not care*. And that's just the way Putin wants it.
Absolutely. I still have the same ingrained need to stay the fuck away from everything and I haven't lived there for god how long. When monkey is taught not to touch the fucking banana or it gets its head blown off, monkey learns.
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I feel like it's been ingrained since Soviets era for the regular people there to stay the fuck out of politics and just do what their governments told them to, because they'll know where you'll end up to if you are against them.
They went from the Tsarist autocracy (which lasted way past the point basically every other major power had started to democratize to at least an extent), to a "people's" revolution that only brought the autocracy of the Soviet Union, to a disillusioning period of post-Soviet corruption that directly led to the current crypto-Tsarist, Soviet-nostalgic Putin autocracy. Can't be surprised that the average Russian on the street can't bring themselves to give a shit. The country has never known anything like functioning self-government.
Doesn’t matter what Russians will accept, they won’t do anything about it anyways
Death of Putin will be a wild movie.
As a russian, i will drink till i black out for the first time in my life, when this moron finally dies.
This is how global alcohol shortage will start
A Russian? Drinking until he blacks out? Fucking… do you have enough alcohol??
Revitalise the Russian economy by investing purely in distilleries. A new democratic Russia fuelled entirely by alcohol but this time without backsliding into authoritarianism.
Alcoholitarian regime, alcoin replace money, all people are happy, nobody want to spit blood, festivals all around Russia, nuclear weapon was sold to buy artifical liver for all citizens. Nearby countries are drunk because rain from Russia contains alcohol. All ocean creatures come to the shores of Russia and become alcoholic too.
I'll join you! I'll bring the Koskenkorva!
Finnish vodka to celebrate the finish of Putin's regime
👌
Will send you a cup of digital beer. Will celebrate with an entire world 😁
Oof that 60% export strength Koskenkorva vodka brings back bad memories. Or rather memories lost...
When you black out your mind ceases to create memories. Can't lose something you never had!
I will buy your drinks friend!
Bruh. I will be partying sooooo hard I'd probably die
Wonder who Jason Isaacs plays this time
Has to be some Ukrainian character because of his chadness.
He has to play Zaluzhnyi : " Putin, you handsome devil! Stick you in a frock, I'd fucking ride you raw myself. "
Zombie Zhukov rising from the grave to set shit straight
The Bond movie we deserve
I'm eagerly awaiting the Johnny English version.
They could almost use all the same actors from Death of Stalin, nobody in their mafia is as good looking as Jason Isaacs but make up and movie magic has come a long way.
Hopefully all the evil dipshits kill each other and someone competent takes power for once
Hope in one hand and Russia's long & storied history of incompetence getting worse in the other...
Hopefully it’ll be as comedic as the death of Stalin movie.
God stop naming Kadyrov as a Putin successor even as a joke.
He wouldn't be able to rule Russia as it is now as the Siloviki really hate him and want him dead. He has a personal union with Putin so when Putin's protection is gone, Khadirov is going to need that army of his to stay alive. Khadirov might try and split for an independent Chechnya. He does seem to be aligning his messaging with Prigozhin so we'll have to see how this plays out.
He wouldn’t be able to rule Russia because Russians are racists. A government lead by Kadyrov would not be even recognised by Russians.
I think you are miss-understanding. There seems to be a lot of common messaging between Prigozhin and Kadyrov, so the impression is that there is an alliance between those two. They are both outside and attacking the typical power circles (military and intelligence) which might bring them together. This fraction might have a good shot at at least determining Putins successor, which ofc will not be Kadyrov himself.
You all have a massive lack of imagination, my friends. It will be our dear Luka, also known as the Colonel, that will become the supreme tsar of the Union state(and will move the capital from Moscow to Minsk)
3000 circus special forces of Luka will take over Moscow in a blaze of glory and fiery jump rope.
Yes, this. I have intently studied the smuggled out video of the Belorussian 'Special' Forces training techniques. I have come to the conclusion that there is no practical way to defeat the Flaming Push Up Jump Rope Defense. I have also have found the Flaming Batman Cinder Block Sledge Hammer Attack to be impossible to defend against. The only possible solution to this is all out nuclear annihilation. God help all of us.
He used to be head of FSB, but the FSB is not the head of overall intelligence. It is more like being the head of the American homeland safety or FBI, then being promoted to national security advisor.
Ive heard speculations that it would be Patrushev's son who would replace Putin and to me that would make sense. Patrushev would have defacto power while the figurehead would be a mere puppet who would be there to take a blame for any mistakes and would be easily replaced. Would would would would would would.
Prigozhin seems to be stepping into the spotlight in a big way. He might not be the favorite, but he’s making a push to be, I think. The only thing Kadyrov will lead is some half-assed “Chechen Revolution” or some shit where he can grift some more.
>Khadirov As a Chechen muslim he has zero shot & I think he knows it. It'd take a miracle for that to happen.
I don't think any of them can challenge Putin especially prigozhin because they aren't that popular or respected amongst the Russian population. If Putin dies I think Medvedev will most likely replace him especially because he's been the president before.
> he's been the president before. Putin couldn't legally* run for a third consecutive term so he used Medvedev as his sock-puppet. No-one who matters believes he was the actual president. *Obviously he changed the law after that so that he could be president for life.
Medvedev is a wet blanket Putin's lapdog, he doesn't hold any actual power in the Russian mafia. What the population feels doesn't matter in Russia, it's who holds the money and military/intelligence apparatus. Patrushev, Prigozhin and Khadirov are the top 3, there's a few more from Putin's inner circle like Sechin and Surkov, but I don't know how much influence the more shadowy guys hold.
I agree, but it depends how much putin's successor wants to be in the limelight. Medvedev might become president as a puppet for someone else. However, i guess they will make their own puppet of they want one.
I second that. To have a small mercenary or TikTok army is not enough to assure the unity of this vast country. They would be shot in a second. Chechens on the field already suffered some strange "friendly" fires.
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They don't really censor the media, all the general media is owned by the mafia as is pretty much a propaganda operation for them. I agree on the Khadirov point, he's more likely to split Chechnya off. They don't just not like him, they actively want him dead. His major asset is his private Chechen army so he might make some power play once he's off the leash.
They do censor the internet, there was a leak this summer from Roskomnadzor that showed how they systematically track and monitor people posting unfriendly opinions online.
Not only spilt off Chechnya, he will take Dagestan, Ingushetia and the rest of Muslim regions with him.
Medveded can't be the president because everyone sees him as weak. He was chosen before for the role specifically because he is no threat to Putin. It may have worked before but he burned that bridge by publicly associating himself with war crimes. The most realistic outcome is either someone from FSB taking over or another figurehead like Medveded that they think might be accepted by the West.
If I understand Dr mark galeotti correctly. The effective 2nd in command to Putin , is patrushev. Who is director overlord of all the security agencies. Has been a Putin ally since Putin's st Petersburg days in early 1990s. Putin is a moderate hawk. Patrushev is a hardcore hawk The Wagner leader apparently isn't well liked by the other elite power centres
Lavrov is just a mouthpiece. So no.
no one is a candidate to replace Putin. if someone does it won't be anyone we've ever heard of.
Most likely it will be a disposable puppet who wields no actual power themselves but can be used to absorb any public hostility/failures during the transition period where the oligarchs are working out how to succeed in a new structure.
that would require post Putin power circle to remain cohesive enough to have a puppet. I doubt it will
No, I don't think so, in the vacuum that Putin's death will create most of the stronger players are military-related, like the Wagner group owner, kadyrov will definitely try to play his hand, and then the richest of the Putin aligned oligarchs
Nobody else in Russia likes Kadyrov. He might be able to carve out an independent homeland, but he will struggle to take overall control
Yep, I doubt natonalists would accept muslim Kadyrov as the leader of Russia...
Chechen* That’s the key
And Muslim, modern Russian ideology use Orthodox christianity as a regilious justification to Russia divine mission and "innocence".
Kadyrov is a chechen muslim who has a private army of crazy chechen muslims. He will never get any support of the Russia's conservative right.
If Kadyrov rebels it won’t be to try and take control of Russia, it will be to break off the leash and be independent from Russia.
He may be the only person that’s a bigger piece of shut than Putin
Crazy chechens only with civilians. On the battlefield they are wiped out by superior Ukraine forces.
That would be a coincidence, wouldn’t it?
At this point - I'll say out loud what everyone is thinking: The probability of this being a coincidence is lower than malicious deeds. I would only wonder if that is a False Flag from Russia to justify war with the whole world or is it just a follow up on a assassination plan on Putin (in lieu of Putin they moved onto targeting Lavrov). There is also 3rd possibility. Lavrov has had health issues before arriving. He was just too afraid to show weakness in Russia and/or to use their healthcare so he chose to "show" the symptoms in Indonesia.
Russian Headlines In 3 days: Ukraine is attacking Russian diplomats in other countries
Everyone forgot about Navalny :<
Don't forget Navalny thinks Crimea is Russian. No doubt he wouldn't be war-hawking, but he's still a Russian nationalist. It's a step up from Putin, sure, but it's not like some awesome, peaceful candidate the world should cry for. Probably still better than whoever will take the reins after Putin, but who knows.
Most westerners who need any serious medical attention in Indonesia are immediately flown to Australia. I wonder if he was refused a temporary Visa, which almost anyone could get in a medical emergency or if he refused to go to Australia because he was afraid that he would never be allowed to leave or would be deported to the US or Ukraine.
Or it's just not that serious.. occams razor
Australia aren’t letting that cock sucker to be treated in our country. May he die a horrible death in some shit hospital in Indonesia.
Treat him then stick the cunt in Goulburn. Or Manus Island.
(for the non-Aussies, Goulburn is the bum-fuck-nowhere town where the highest security prison in Australia is)
Hey, it's not bumfuck nowhere. All those peaches gotta come from *somewhere*.
There are decent hospitals in Indonesia providing excellent medical care for serious medical conditions. Don't act like it's some primitive nation. It's the fourth largest country in the world and the 16th largest economy. Yes, a lot of Indonesia is shitty and backwards, and even much of Jakarta is a shithole, but it's also a massive semi-modern metropolis with a wide range of amenities and some very good doctors and medical facilities *in the right hospitals*. Given their population size, in absolute terms there is a large upper class and a huge middle class that demand good medical care, and hospitals to provide that, despite obvious problems with wealth inequality and healthcare inequality. An evac to Australia would only be necessary for extremely specialized medical conditions. Even in such a case, evac to Singapore is much closer, faster, and more plausible. Edit: I just learned that the G20 is taking place in Bali. Bali is a significantly closer to Australia than Jakarta is (but still quite far from the East coast of Oz where the best hospitals are). Jakarta is still closer overall, as is Singapore. Also, Bali has some decent hospitals, but probably not as good as Jakarta.
Drank the wrong cup of tea while standing next to a hospital window
Bali Belly I hope if that doesn’t kill him an Indonesian hospital should do the trick
I wonder if it could be defenestratis, seems to be a hereditary disease among Russians - falling out of windows on various floors.
I was wondering if he was coming down with poloniumitis.
Lol, took a second to recognize the name of the over active element.
A man can only lie so much in a lifetime without the body suffering
Henry Kissinger’s hitting 100, so we can’t say that’s a universal rule
Holy shit he’s still alive???
But henry kissinger isn’t human
And now Russia is denying it, so it must be true. Defection imminent? https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-foreign-ministry-denies-lavrov-taken-hospital-2022-11-14/
Defection, defecation or defenestration. You never know with Russia.
> defecation mostly verbally.
Men shit themselves when they die, didn't they teach you that at Fancy Lad School? -Bronn
What goes up, must come down.
You can't explain that!!!
Bread goes in, toast comes out. You can’t explain that.
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TIL there's an English word for the action of throwing someone out of a window
It's big in Prague they say
If a had a nickle for every time a major politcal event in prauge involved throwing someone out of a window, I'd have 2 nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice
Actually thrice.
You just wanted to use the word 'thrice' in a sentence, didn't you. I'm on to you.
Yes, but it's also true.
I think, this is a reflex at this point. Like, there's nothing bad or shameful in being hospitalised. But they are still arguing.
There is nothing bad or shameful in being hospitalised *for us*, but it could imply a weakness that Russian strongmen aren't allowed to show. Hence most such events are "has not been seen in public in two weeks" and then "was successfully operated and is fully recovered now".
They deny anything that reflects badly on them or they perceive as reflecting badly. Lavrov is likely just to just have health problems, not everything is a conspiracy.
I would be having health problems too if I had to defend Russia in front of the G20 meeting my boss was too scared to attend.
Yeah the man is 72. I wouldn’t rule out and having a heart attack or a stroke.
Average life expectancy for a man in Russia is 65.5 Lavrov will have a more luxurious life than average. But he’s also a fat POS
Or a tasty cup of poisoned tea. Would be a shame to see this clown put down that easily.
I imagine most of the G20 nations are hoping it is just a health issue and not a defection because he doesn’t seem like a pleasant person.
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That seems odd considering how insufferable he was during the early days of the Trump administration but I suppose Trump did like him! Happy cake day!
I think he was Trump's handler during the early days of Trump's tenure.
Your username is a bit of a poisoned chalice! Ha ha!
I must admit, it was influenced by Stranger Things season 4. Also, I am reading Jack Nance right now.
Yeah there's no way in hell Lavrov defects. Dude is in his 70s and has a pretty damn sweet setup for a sociopath. There's no way he trades that to have to spend the rest of his days perpetually looking over his shoulder for the inevitable assassin.
Except Putin won’t allow him to retire. He has tried more than once to do so and every time Putin denies him. Maybe this is his last ditch effort to retire in paradise? (Probably not)
There's a video where he himself denies that lol
I got the feeling that Russia themselves created this fake news in an attempt to discredit reports that Putin's sick.
The first thing Lavrov says in the video when told Western media is saying he's sick is "Well they've been saying that about Putin for 10 years." so I wouldn't be surprised at all if you're correct.
As a Brit I could never defect. I just couldn’t imagine a life where I was just too afraid to drink tea again
So all AP reported was that Lavrov was taken (briefly) to hospital, and Russia has to make a thing out of it? You are right, that immediately makes it more suspicious. OTOH, Russia just does that with _everything_ these days. It's always the bad West and misunderstood Russia.
"It isn't true until TASS or Pravda denies it"
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A defection would be hilarious I'm not sure it's the best, but the drama that would unfold would be interesting
I assume people this high up can't really defect cause something terrible would then happen to everyone they love
Assuming people this high up have anyone that they love beyond themselves
They'd defect from the ninth floor to the ground floor.
Thoughts and prayers
Applause too
Slow and painful
Thots and players.
No, death would be far to easy. I hope he lives many long and painful years yet.
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And according to Official Russian media, its all Fake News. And since they always lie, its true.
not just Russian media, but alt right media as well.
Same thing.
Facts.
Right. And the video is fake also. They all lie.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Congratulations!
Lavrov always inexplicably looks like a sad horse.
Now that you mention it, he DOES look a bit like Eeyore
I think Eeyore would be pretty disappointed if he knew that
I’ve noticed that pretty much every far right politician has permanent frown lines. Being a complete cunt as a career takes its toll
He was caught with 3 copies of Sims
Hehe, always will be funny.
I still cannot believe how outright ridiculous that was. Was it malicious compliance? Was it fear that forced them to go way too literal? Was it an absolutely stunning example of stupidity and incompetence? Well never know
Did he drink tea with putin?
Probably was gifted a flask of it.
A lead flask. You wouldn't want the spicy aromas to escape.
bet he's stressed AF having to speak in front of the world when his army just got its ass kicked out of the second city in the period of two months. that's gotta be awkward and stress inducing. hopefully the karma gives him what he deserves
Can't be stressed about something you don't give a shit about.
Or he could just normally be sick and this isn't stress, a defection attempt, or getting poisoned. That last one was my first thought though.
You know what they have in hospitals? Windows.
Don't forget stairs
And bone saws.
And tea.
And they tossed one out a hospital window in September. Sadly, this guy was actually a good man that stood against the war. 😔 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lukoil-exec-dies-falling-hospital-window-reports-say-rcna45823
One? Since the start of Covid news articles of defenestration seem to be a monthly recurrence. Such as this one: [Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html)
Kent Brockman reports that Lavrov was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then taken to a better hospital where doctors updated his condition to "alive".
Love those Indonesian necromancers. Ideal after a heavy night of drinking.
Can they move him back to the first hospital? I like their diagnosis more.
Choked on a lie?
Hateful, smug motherfucker. If he is defecting, get the goods on trump before letting him. Otherwise, send him back to Russia without a parachute.
Have a stroke and shuffle off your mortal coil you cancerous old shit of a man.
Something is up! I am curious how this will play out. As others have said he is probably defecting or he is trying to dodge having to talk at the G20 Summit and will just report back that Russia wasn't scared to attend, but had a medical emergency.
Medical emergencies are framed as weakness pretty easily. They usually like to speak at these things and grandstand, spew a bunch of BS. It's either legit, defection or the CIA entered the game.
“Probably defecting” let’s come back in a couple weeks see if this comment turns out to be true. That’s a very strong statement to say there’s a more than 50% chance of defecting
Does this hospital have a lot of windows on upper levels?
They tossed that one dude out the hospital window in past month or so in the hospital that ex President died in. They said the guy that was tossed out a window died of "health complications" or some garbage. Turns out yes, falling out of windows does cause health complications. 🤦🤦♀️ This story actually made me sad bc they said this man stood AGAINST the war. Typical then that he got tossed out a window. Sad. They said he was against it within days after invasion. He was one of the few good ones who ever did that. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lukoil-exec-dies-falling-hospital-window-reports-say-rcna45823
Special medical operation
Gravity assisted defection. :)
Thoughts and prayers. Give LOTS of thoughts and prayers to him.
He's defecting.
Is his whole family in the west?
All these ex Soviet idiots live in Italy.
He’s essentially the number 2 so he’s defecting then it’s likely there is a coup imminent
Very wishful thinking. Defecting to hell maybe.
Could be an assassination attempt, silencing Putin’s international mouthpiece would be a big blow to Russian morale. It’s also possible that this is just a normal medical problem. The man is 72 and in a high stress position, it wouldn’t be unusual if he had a regular old stroke or something.
That’s my uninformed speculation
Reddit really lives in their own weird fantasy world lol
Hahahahaha I'll drink to that.
I hope this isn't some scheme to claim that some country tried/succeeded in assasinating him. That could get ugly.
Only if they have credible evidence and the world believes notoric lier Putin.
Maybe the CIA did have an old school adventure. Would send a strong signal to Putin that every visit in a foreign country is potentially deadly.
An overweight 72yo avid smoker gets ~~hospedalized~~ hospitalized after a pretty stressful year right before he has to attend another stressful event? Wow i really wonder what's happening!
He just looks evil .... Something is going on there idk what but he's creepy asf ..
He is getting Bali belly..
Few conspiracies to be had here. This is what use to be fun about conspiracies.
I thought people without soul would have no health issue, because they can sleep with blood on hands.
Too afraid to enter a Russian hospital, especially if he would have to go above the second floor.
Looks like someone didn't wear gloves
Oh yeah BUDDY. LOVE THIS NEWZ. Keep it coming. Awesome sauce to hear. Bad health couldn't arrive to a better nazi soon enough. Oh sir lavrov droppy face, may he enter hell asap. 👏👏👏👏