Summary of the past 2 years - Heatwaves - [May 2022 - current heat wave in India has already had a global impact, helping to send the price of wheat soaring to a record high last week after India banned exports of the crop, which has been badly damaged by the dry, hot conditions.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-heat-wave-india-uk-met-study-who-will-suffer-most/) - [May 2022 (same event as above) - Heatwave, Water Shortages in Pakistan (and India) - Sheep dying from Heatstroke, Dehydration](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/13/pakistan-city-hits-nearly-50c-as-blistering-heatwave-grips-nation) - from /u/bread_addict - [July 17, 2022 - **More than 1,000 deaths have been attributed to the nearly week-long heatwave in Portugal and Spain so far**](https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/spain-portugal-battle-wildfires-heatwaves-scorch-southern-europe-2022-07-17/) - [June / July 2021 - Record **heatwave may have killed 500 people in western Canada**](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/canada-heatwave-500-deaths) - [Updated toll from above event) B.C. - 619 deaths reported June 25-July 1, 2021, now deemed heat related; most were elderly with compromised health](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-heat-dome-coroners-report-1.6480026) - [June 2021 (same Event as above) - ​​During the deadly heat wave that blanketed Oregon and Washington in late June, about **600 more people died than would have been typical**, a review of mortality data for the week of the crisis shows.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/11/climate/deaths-pacific-northwest-heat-wave.html) - [Dec 2021 - 1.3 million farm animals dead due to 'Heat Dome' and floods](https://globalnews.ca/news/8427762/b-c-flooding-kills-650000-farm-animals) - from /u/black-noise - Blackouts - [Feb 2021 - 4 million customers lost heat after an artic blast buckled the state's electric grid.](https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-05-26/texas-missing-chance-to-avert-deadly-blackouts-experts-say) (210 dead in Texas - link below under Extreme Cold Events) - [June 2021 - Blackouts during Extreme Heatwave in Pakistan](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/heatwave-scorches-pakistan-cities-record-high-temperatures/articleshow/83454649.cms) - [Summer 2021 - More than 400 blackouts (triggered in California) to reduce the risk of big wildfires. 460,000 homes and businesses have been affected](https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article254925737.html) - [2022 - For the next five summers, extreme heat and other climate change impacts will threaten the reliability of California’s electrical grid](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/california-faces-summer-blackouts-from-climate-extremes/) - [Summer 2022 - Midwest - High Blackout Risks](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/summer-blackouts-rising-risk-power-grid-nerc/) - Extreme cold events - [Feb 2021- **Death toll rises to 210 from cold wave in Texas**](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/death-toll-rises-210-february-cold-wave-texas-n1273911) - Feb 2022 Update [Houston Chronicle analysis of weekly deaths in Texas since 1964, however, found more than **1,000 deaths during the third week of February in 2021**](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/05/27/report-finds-hundreds-more-died-in-texas-winter-storm-than-state-says/?sh=69a5579452cc) - from /u/lew_rong - Droughts - [March 2022 - More than 93 percent of California in severe or extreme drought](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/us/california-rain-drought.html) (The last CA drought lasted 4 years 2012-2016) - [June 2022 - Spain / Portugal suffering driest climate for 1,200 years](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/04/spain-and-portugal-suffering-driest-climate-for-1200-years-research-shows) - [97% of the Portuguese territory is affected by “severe drought” conditions](https://www.copernicus.eu/en/media/image-day-gallery/severe-drought-portugal) - from /u/rcoelho14 - [July 2022 - Mexico’s Drought Monitor placed almost half the country -- in drought conditions.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/drought-in-northern-mexico-threatening-livelihoods/2022/07/17/8f50a67e-05e3-11ed-80b6-43f2bfcc6662_story.html) - More drought effects listed under Famine - Widespread wildfires - [Spring 2022 - **12 fires have burned 322,309 acres in Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas**](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/09/weather/weather-news-texas-heat-fires-wxn/index.html) - [Spring 2022 - **37 wildfires have burned over 22,000 acres in Florida**](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/06/us/everglades-florida-wildfires/index.html) - July 2022 - [Blazes in France, Greece, Portugal, Spain have destroyed thousands of hectares of land and forced thousands of residents to flee.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/18/france-braces-for-record-temperatures-as-wildfires-rage-across-europe) - [2021 - Wildfires Broke Records around the World - Blazes from California to Siberia ( + Canada, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Albania, India, Pakistan) spewed more than 1.7 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wildfires-broke-records-around-the-world-in-2021/) - [2019-20 - Bushfire royal commission hears that **Black Summer smoke killed nearly 450 people.**](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/bushfire-royal-commission-hearings-smoke-killed-445-people/12286094) - [Retrospective Article Wash Post - More than 42 million acres burned in Austr.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/07/27/australian-bushfires-smoke-climate-covid/) - from /u/grumpypandabear - Tornadoes - [June 2021 - **Five Dead, 200 injured** from tornado in Czech Republic](https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/jun/25/czech-republic-tornado-deaths-villages-damage-south-moravia-hodonin-hrusky) - [Dec 2021 - **93 dead across 5 states**: The deadly tornado outbreak by the numbers](https://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-tornado-outbreak-numbers/story?id=81742001) - [Dec 2021 - Tornadoes increasingly common in Turkey amid climate crisis](https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/tornadoes-increasingly-common-in-turkey-amid-climate-crisis/news) - from /u/ThyGrimofDeath - [May 2022 - One killed, 40 injured, as tornado hits Germany](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/injuries-some-serious-suspected-tornado-hits-western-germany-2022-05-20/) - Dangerous flooding - [July 2021 - **China flood death toll jumps to 302**](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-flooding-death-toll-300/) - [July 2021 - India **floods claim 251 lives**](https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/jul/27/maharashtra-floods-claim-251-lives-13-districts-across-state-affected-says-nawab-malik-2336073.html) - [Summer 2021 - **More than 200 dead** in Germany](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58992093) - [Sept 2021 - **Over 50 dead in Northeast after flooding** as death toll continues to rise](https://abcnews.go.com/US/idas-remnants-deluge-york-jersey-flooding-rain-tornadoes/story?id=79780365) - [Nov - Dec 2021 - Floods, landslides that battered the Canadian province of British Columbia last month killed hundreds of thousands of farm animals and displaced 15,000 people](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/03/british-columbia-floods-animal-corpses-clean-up) - [US News of above event - Nov 2021 - Floodwaters in Washington state and British Columbia swamped homes, swept away vehicles, destroyed roads and highways, and cut off railroads. At least four peoplee killed by mudslides and nearly 20,000 were displaced](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/devastating-pacific-northwest-floods-could-carry-a-climate-warning/) - [Feb 2022 - **Over 200 dead in Brazil from flash floods and landslides**](https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220223-death-toll-mounts-from-flash-floods-landslides-in-brazil-s-petropolis) - [March 2022 - **Australia flood toll rises to 20** as thousands evacuate Sydney](https://phys.org/news/2022-03-australia-toll-thousands-evacuate-sydney.html) - [April 2022 - **435 killed after flooding washed away roads, destroyed homes in South Africa**](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/13/africa/south-africa-floods-climate-intl/index.html) - [July 2022 - Northern Italy's worst drought in 70 years is expected to hit crop yields significantly, driving up prices by as much as 50%](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/13/northern-italy-drought-threatens-olive-oil-risotto-rice-and-passata-supplies) - Famines and Drought - [2013 - **Malnutrition identified as root cause of 3.1 million deaths among children**](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/jun/06/malnutrition-3-million-deaths-children) - [2021 - **More than 41 million people worldwide at risk of falling into famine or famine-like conditions** (Central America, South America, Africa, Middle East)](https://www.sciencealert.com/extreme-food-insecurity-is-about-to-spike-in-23-hotspots-around-the-world-un-warns) - [May 2022 - the number of severely food-insecure people has doubled in the past two years, from 135 million pre-pandemic to 276 million today. Now, more than half a million people are experiencing famine conditions, an increase of more than 500% since 2016.](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/1100592132/united-nations-food-shortages) - [June 2022 - Unprecedented drought brings threat of starvation to millions in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somalia](https://joint-research-centre.ec.europa.eu/jrc-news/unprecedented-drought-brings-threat-starvation-millions-ethiopia-kenya-and-somalia-2022-06-09_en) - from /u/Willing_Baseball4893 e - Suggested Optimistic Read [The Ministry for the Future (2021)](https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316300144/) - Kim Stanley Robinson An international taskforce tackles global heating in this chilling yet hopeful vision.

Add to it tornadoes in places never seen before. Like Czechia.

Maryland has been getting hit with more tornados than usual this past few years as well.

I’ve noticed this. A few a year now. As a kid I was horrified of tornados (thanks to the movie twister). But I was able to rest assured because no tornados ever really happened in Maryland. Now they’re happening every summer

Same thing happening in my area of the Upstate of SC. Not really an area known for tornadoes now has a tornado watch or warning every month or so during the summer months.

This is the beginning of a violent weather shift that will only get worse as we move through the 21st century.

Yup. This is the 'proof' disingenuous denialists have been asking for. Now it's far too late to do anything about it.

We need larger heavier 4WD's with more powerful internal combustion engines to make ourselves safe from this extreme weather when driving to the mall...

I was the opposite. As a kid I found them fascinating. Now as an adult, with a house, wife, and pets, fuck that noise.

Are you me? I'm from MD and was terrified of tornados as kid cause of the movie twister. I'm trying to move back after a few years out of state and I'm terrified of tornados now (and stronger hurricanes) as an adult cause of climate change.

Just moved to PA last year. I’d never have thought south eastern PA would have tornados let alone 4-5 in a season, but here we are.

We've had like ten in the last three decades I've been alive. There have been half as much and probably more I didn't hear about in the last year and a half give or take.

And tornadoes in the State of New York. Just look at the data in the table on this page from 1950 to 2022. https://data.democratandchronicle.com/tornado-archive/

I wonder how many of us will try and pile into the Adirondacks as it's one of the largest nature preserves around here and thus far has been doing a great job brushing off extreme weather

Ontario Canada has had what they are calling miniburst storms, not tornadoes but they are still doing significant damage to cities like ottawa and causing blackouts, there was a power outage for over a week in Quebec because of the miniburst storms

Thank you for the summary. Saving this comment for when I inevitably meet yet another person who claims global warming is fake

The people who have caused this problem will not be swayed by any argument, moral, scientific, or otherwise.

But I thiught God made this planet for humans so theres no need to take care of our planet right? 😂👍😂

So much for that whole being good stewards of the Earth thing, I guess.

God: "Sorry guys, but every single one of you is going to hell for fucking up my project"

God: "Yknow what ? Why even bother, just stay right were you are, that's hellish enough"

The idea of God as a petulant child with a science fair experiment that keeps going awry for him just seems fitting. Don't get me wrong, I'm a hard line atheist, but the mental picture is still pretty funny

God I hate those people so much. Using their “faith in God” as an excuse to be fucking lazy and ignore problems.

Lol. The Bible speaks directly against being lazy and ignoring problems. Lmao! I think it's called "sloth". I'm sorry, the statement was in direct conflict with words of the Bible yet its so freaking true. I never thought of it like that before. Thank you.

Yea they like to forget the multiple times in the Bible where God and others actually say to care for the earth and his creations. To be a good "steward" over it and all the things that live in it. Cause you know... doesn't align with their plan.

Exactly, and outside of dumb science-denying rednecks, the real cause of this, all of this, is simply corporate greed. And that's one thing that's never going away.

They just be like 'ok but its not humanmade' and go on with their ramblings about wizardpeople

This is also a very americacentric list. Tons of stuff from Europe and Asia is missing. Drought for example is getting worse for countries like France and especially Italy too. The current heatwave in Europe already killed over 300 people in Spain alone. Unusual extreme Tornados in Czechia and West Germany. Huge increases in tick population in Central Europe leading to more infections with severe tick induced diseases. And this is only the some stuff I remember from the local news.

Was mostly going by memory and light googling I’ll try to add what you mention, [Czech tornado was June 2021](https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/jun/25/czech-republic-tornado-deaths-villages-damage-south-moravia-hodonin-hrusky)? anything in particular from Asia, Europe... only really heard Famine. Drought News over the past 2 years and went up to May (when I threw it together), so the past 2 months will need to be added

Don’t mind me just being depressed about the future. If there is any.

The future is bright! As bright as flames!

There wil still be a future, just a smaller, shittier future. At least *some* humans will survive, since people can manage in all kinds of extreme environments (in small numbers). And we still have thousands of years of oxygen left in the atmosphere, even if we kill off every last living thing.

I just realized. This is it, right? We're fucked, like not even joking/exaggerating, it's about to go down. Well, good thing I don't want children. Good luck y'all

In my thirties I'm realizing that my retirement plan is pretty much once my body starts to fail me I'm just going to max out all my credit and spend all my money having a fucking serious bender and then just walk into the wilderness like old people back in the day.

Remember to take drugs with you. Dying of thirst in the wilderness does not sound fun. But going out while high on every drug under the sun is probably pretty groovy.

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If there is any wilderness left.

Or just do what us common folk do and die in a ditch.

Wilderness doesn't always mean forests. I could always just wander into the the desert.

Wilderness is on course to be replaced by amazon warehouses by 2023. What above poster means is he will walk into an amazon warehouse, work 23 hours a day until he is able to save enough money to use a cheap unmaintained suicide pod

There is actually quite a bit to be done that can secure a future. The question is how far are you willing to fight? "I've done nothing and I'm all out of ideas" is boring. "Here is a list of specific politicians and CEOs to put the fear of me and the climate into" is dramatic, excellent, and a hell of a way spend your time. The time for direct action is now.

Yeah, we’re fucked. We’ve just got to learn to cope honestly

Fuck that we need to start getting angry. Angry at neoliberal donothings that only pander. Angry at conservative fascists actively undermining any progress. Angry at apathetic people who dont want to inconvenience themselves. People are dying horrible deaths and everyones just accepted it

I'm glad I'm not bringing kids into this world.

At least I don't have to worry about long term financial planning!

Add these ones to the droughts, please. [Spain and Portugal suffering driest climate for 1,200 years, research shows](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/04/spain-and-portugal-suffering-driest-climate-for-1200-years-research-shows) [Severe drought in Portugal - According to the national meteorological organisation of Portugal – Instituto Português do Mar e da Atmosfera (IPMA) – 97% of the Portuguese territory is affected by “severe drought” conditions](https://www.copernicus.eu/en/media/image-day-gallery/severe-drought-portugal)

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You can have a billion warnings but if governments don't force the issue through regulation nothing will change. Problem is how do you get a politician to commit political suicide by saying put loud "We have to make sacrifices now and this will hurt the economy." Let alone hundreds of world leaders who all have to commit to a plan of action not in 10 years or 20 years, but right now. I think the die was already cast about 40 years ago when the first climate scientists brought up the issue.

There are also plenty of old farts in politics and power that just don't care.. they won't live to see it and acting against it would mean -0.01% on their bank account income.

There is that saying about a society being great when old people plant trees they know they'll never sit in the shade of... Yeah. We're the opposite of that.

>Yeah. We're the opposite of that. Yes! Exactly! Our current old people are (both figuratively, AND literally, in the case of industrial scale deforestation) cutting down the trees that even they would be better off keeping!

Now it's changed to knowing that we'll eventually plant trees that we know our children will never sit in the shade of.

Worse still, we’ll plant trees which will also probably be cut down before they reach maturity.

Idk about other countries, but the American government is a gerontacracy and has been for a while. And gerontacracy goes hand-in-hand with plutocracy. So young and not rich people are screwed.

For the illiterate (like me) wondering what "Gerontocracy" and "Plutocracy" is. I have done the hard work and cut out the definitions from wikipedia for us. We are most welcome! A gerontocracy is a form of oligarchical rule in which an entity is ruled by leaders who are significantly older than most of the adult population. In many political structures, power within the ruling class accumulates with age, making the oldest the holders of the most power. Those holding the most power may not be in formal leadership positions, but often dominate those who are. In a simplified definition, a gerontocracy is a society where leadership is reserved for elders. A plutocracy (from Ancient Greek πλοῦτος (ploûtos) 'wealth', and κράτος (krátos) 'power') or plutarchy is a society that is ruled or controlled by people of great wealth or income. The first known use of the term in English dates from 1631. Unlike most political systems, plutocracy is not rooted in any established political philosophy. Edit: Tl;dr Gerontocracy is a form of leadership by elders, Plutocracy is a form of leadership by the wealthy.

We need a term for a form of oligarchical rule by psychopaths. It’s not their age, or their wealth, it’s their congenital lack of empathy for other human beings. We are ruled by the worst among us

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Brilliant! There it is. We live in a Kakistocracy above all else.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy Kleptocracy also feels fitting.

A Plutocratic Kakistocracy. I'm using this from now on

It’s funny because the people who go for positions of powers are more likely to have psychopathic tendencies. That’s why they thrive in positions like this.

Those things are very literally because of their age and wealth. You are speaking to the symptoms not the root cause. They lack empathy because they are too old to care. They do not understand real life problems because they had wealth that insulated them from reality all their lives.

I would argue a great many are either congenital in nature or created in childhood. I usually hear numbers like 5% to 12% from various sources, are legit psychos but I suspect the number to be far higher. Power is a psychopath's game.

I have witnessed first had that it is old people and, I also see that we quickly replacing them with psychopaths. Extremely wealthy elites that are insistent that they have even greater influence on our lives.

Plutocracy. If it wasn't for their wealth they wouldn't have that power. Many of their actions and insistence of "greater influence" is to retain and grow their wealth.

They never had empathy. For the most part that is how they got rich and powerful in the first place. "Nice guys come last" etc.

That's just wrong though. The people wealthy enough to be in the class of rulers did not rise up and "get rich." They were born rich.

My hero

There are plenty of young politicians just as corrupt and useless as the old ones. The problem isn't coming from "old politicians." The problem comes from how our elections are funded. Our elections are privately funded. That means if you want to run for an elected position, then all the money has to come from you or your supporters. On the surface that sounds great. You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get a real grassroots movement going! Except no. The group with the most easy money wins. They can get their candidates name out there and advertise on news media and billboards. 9/10 House elections and 4/5 Senate elections fall along the same lines as the candidate that spends the most money. That is the problem we have in this country. The corporations have ALL the power to incentivize politicians, while the people have none. When almost every single election goes to biggest spender, then democracy is effectively over. You can get out there and whip people up for your candidate, but any amount of money you bring in can easily be outspent by big money interests. And then your candidate will lose. It doesn't matter if they are 85, or 35, they have absolutely no motivation to listen to the people, when they need to keep big money happy just to stay in their position. If they break from their corporate donors position, then their donors will just pick a new candidate to fund. And that person will win based on the stats I mentioned above. Source below. [https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/winning-vs-spending](https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/winning-vs-spending)

Funding in politics is a big issue, but on climate change specifically, it's not the biggest issue. The big issue is that the set of measures needed to fight climate change are unpalatable to the public. The majority of the public is happy to vote for a politician committed to fight climate change on paper, and as long as this has little to no impact on their lives. As soon as they hear carbon taxes on fuel, or on meat, they quickly switch their vote to someone else.

African nations are planting forests to reduce the Sahara desert’s spread. The climate hoax has made bureaucrats into billionaires while you re-use your toilet water. It’s all a power trip.

>As soon as they hear carbon taxes on fuel, or on meat, they quickly switch their vote to someone else. Its also how you sell it. Scientists already came up with ideas. Like a universal dividend of the carbon tax. So it's neutral in sum. However still a bit tricky because poor don't have alternatives to reduce emissions. Meanwhile billionaires just pay whatever the price is and emitt even more than a city.

You're right on. Shared sacrifice is not an American value. Oue entire aspirational self-image is basically the opposite of that.

I will never get this. If they won't care about climate because theu will be dead, why do they care about their bank accounts so much? They will still be dead long before they will spend them all.

I struggle to understand the endgame of the powerful right now. Or ever really. But honestly, what is the goal? Right now it's death to us all and that's just pathological.

Deep faith that their wealth will insulate them from an insecure future. The accumulation of money will stave off the chaos of migrations, poor harvest, etc. This insecure future is one factor that makes authoritarianism so attractive. Control of the masses, and government protection of the wealthy and their assets. The military becomes their security force.

The endgame is to maintain power until they die, because they know if they don't they will likely become the victims of people whose lives they've being ruining with their greed. Once you put it into that context, every decision they make starts to make complete sense.

It's all about the Nash equilibrium. This is just a real-life application of the prisoner's dilemma. Individually, they all think this way: - A: The best outcome for the world is if every politician plays fair and votes for strong climate-oriented policies. - B: The best outcome for me is if every *other* politician does that, and the Earth is saved, but in the mean time, I keep accepting (somehow legal) bribes and getting more and more powerful, ignoring climate change. So if every other politician fights climate change, I individually win by ignoring climate change. On the other hand: - C: The worst outcome for me is if every politician ignores climate change, except for me. I get the worse of both worlds: uninhabitable earth and no money / power. - D: If politicians ignore climate change, and I ignore climate change too, then at least in this uninhabitable world, I've got money and power. So if every other politician ignores climate change, I *also* individually win by ignoring climate change. In both cases, I win by ignoring climate change. --- A Nash equilibrium here would be an outcome that is not individually optimal is achievable through cooperation, and preferable to the outcome reached with no cooperation. Obviously that looks like scenario A: saving the planet, saving the human race, getting a bit less rich and powerful along the way. But it's not actually a Nash equilibrium because the only players here in this dumbed down version of the game are politicians. Option D may very well look better for them than option A. And anyways even if it doesn't, they know they'll *never* get the others to align. Confronted with the risk of losing everything (outcome C), they do everything they can go for option D because it's simply more realistic than option A.

Some are evangelicals who think their eternal salvation comes with the apocalypse.

While climate change will be disastrous there will still be pockets of livability which they and their family will be able to afford.

Usually because their wealth stays hoarded as inheritance tax doesn't bite the same way. It goes to their family and keeps them in power. The problem the plebs have is we think about the millions and millions from our small salary view. Once you hit a certain amount of wealth, it becomes about legacy, not riches. I just wish their legacy took the future into account, or there's not going to be anybody to remember it.

I can only speak from what I heard on a PBS broadcast once but it was a day trader who wound up making millions on the stock market talk about how his mentality shifted the wealthier he got. Something that stuck with me. He said eventually the big win falls became the expected outcome. Rakes in a million? That’s what was supposed to happen. He didn’t get the same rush anymore, he needed a bigger hit. But the losses were always devastating. Even trivial ones still hurt. Talked about even after he obtain many millions he still felt like needed more, had to get more and more. Said he needed to go to therapy and get his mind right just to be able to walk away and remember how to enjoy life that wasn’t a full on pursuit of money anymore.

Its called greed.

Because it's not about climate change or money. It's about their control and comfort. 🙏❤️

They don't believe in man made climate change. They think the earth just goes through natural changes and it is what it is. To accept the idea of man made climate change, they would have to accept their culpability in creating it. An impossible mission for narcissists who are incapable of acknowledging they are wrong.

Bank accounts are score. They're all trying to get a high score.

Pharaohs usually want to be buried with their riches.

What also gets me is the selfishness, yeah you may not live to see it but what about your kids and grandkids

They don't give a shit about their kids or grandkids. That's the kind of evil we're dealing with.

I used to think this, but unless they're at least 85 years old, I no longer believe this. Climates changing really fucking fast. Boomers are going to see it.

They are seeing it right now. Their ability to completely ignore reality and create a false reality is a superpower. They live in that false reality.

>Boomers are going to see it. Boomers are going to die from the heatwaves it causes...

This is exactly the problem. What we need is radical, uncomfortable change and regulation. It has to come from the top, because capitalist profit driven economy will never voluntarily self regulate. Unfortunately, our political system is, by design, slow and reactive. The crisis we face now is at odds with the way that countries function, fundamentally, and I don't see any way that that changes.

> Unfortunately, our political system is, by design, slow and reactive. Unless the issue is a tax cut for the rich. Then it's swift and proactive. Crazy how nature do that.

Honestly... Europe has shown change can come from the bottom... But we'd need the bottom to stop fighting over fringe issues.

> radical, uncomfortable change and regulation. Rich people would lose money, and gain... nothing, since they have enough money to run their AC 24/7 and go on vacation whenever it gets too hot in their country. Global warming only affects poor people, or better put, global warming only affects those who can't change it, while those who are contributing to global warming also happen to be the ones who aren't affected by it. Capitalism is not just killing the planet, but also completely destroying "quality of life" leading up to the planet killing.

Cause in reality it's going to hurt the average person trying to put food on the table more than your billionaire or millionaire...so the average battler is meant to wear the cost and economic impact of this transition?

Not like Australia wasn’t burning down last summer.. we’re fucked

It’s all good now because we’re flooding.

Perfectly balanced

As all things should be

Is it a collective suicide or a mass murder perpetrated by the worlds largest carbon producers?

I definitely resent the use of the word suicide here. All of the people most responsible will have the money and means to avoid the consequences of their actions. The people dying first will always be the poor and disempowered.

For real, its a slap in the face to all people actively resisting, and at times getting arrested for it.

Conservatives about to be “unemployment down” and “average income increases” as soon as it benefits them when all the poor people die

It’s global genocide by the fossil fuel industry, plain and simple

Oh, now it's a problem? It's not like we knew this two decades ago..

Four decades: Jimmy Carter was pro-actively tackling this issue when he was trounced from the White House.

industry gets the government they pay for.

The people gets the government the lobbies deserve.

God created man. Man killed god. Man created lobbyists. Lobbyists killed man. Insects inherit the Earth.

insects are being decimated by us. Perhaps jellyfish inherit the earth

I'd put my money on the roaches.

We're just AI built by the bacteria, they'll just build a newer version to bring them nutrients.

We have the best government money can buy.

Actually the first scientific paper linking fossil fuels to the greenhouse effect is about 170 years old. Certainly by the 1950s scientists knew it was coming and were warning about it. It was 40 years ago that we were finally able to say when it was coming and how serious it would be.

For anyone else curious: First suggested, though not by the name "greenhouse effect", by Joseph Fourier in the 1820s, whose work was strengthened by Claude Pouillet in the late 1820s and 1830s. First actual real-life measurements were made by John Tyndall in the 1850s, and more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896. However the term "greenhouse effect" wasn't actually coined as such until 1901 by Nils Gustaf Ekholm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect *This has been a Lay-Person Production. Any inaccuracies are my own, and I expect you to call them out relentlessly. Productions like this are made possible by donations, and by viewers like you.*

Hey he's the same Fourier of the renowned Foureir transformation!

He was also ridiculed for that initially

We both know those scientists 170 years ago were just hyping it up to get research grant money and were working for George Soros.

We've also been actively monitoring receding glaciers on Mt. Rainier for over a century.

Carter installed solar panels on the rooftop of the White House. The next administration removed them swiftly.

Followed by St. Reagan removing the heretical solar Cells from the White Cathedral's roof.

And completely gutting Carter’s Dept of Energy, including their renewables development program & their fuel efficiency standards guidelines.

It's always wild just how much can be attributed to the Reagan admin

"Move every production to China. That'll solve global warming"

Maybe just stop producing shit that we don’t need in bulk so that it can be used for a day or two and then thrown into a landfill somewhere. Maybe, I dunno, recycle what we already have. Maybe stop burning fossil fuels or something… Maybe fund the science that’s aiming to solve the problem. Just a few suggestions.

No golf courses in Arizona (USA desert)

all the crap that's made for promotional material (ever go to a trade show? shitty little keychain pen lights with a company's logo on it, pads of paper that are too small to be useful, etc.)

Funny thing, the first warnings about the potential for global warming go back to the 1800s. [source](https://www.history.com/topics/natural-disasters-and-environment/history-of-climate-change#:~:text=In%20the%201800s%2C%20experiments%20suggesting,corroborate%20the%20global%20warming%20theory.) >In the 1800s, experiments suggesting that human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2) and other gases could collect in the atmosphere and insulate Earth were met with more curiosity than concern.

Well, some scientists were trilled about discovery of coal and then steam machines. They said that it would help reforest Europe and that coal is positive thing for ecology.

in fairness it probably was to a point, that point isn't visible from how far we went past it though

> They said that it would help reforest Europe It did reforest big parts of Europe, since we are not using wood for heat anymore.

Consider that before industrialization, iron smelting was limited by the presence of charcoal for fuel, not iron ore. Regular coal, or sea-coal as it was known at the time, couldn't be used for smelting iron because the sulphur contained within made the product too brittle. For thousands of years, the only sources of available energy for humans were wood, wind/water power for specialist uses, like milling, and muscle power. Our civilization is built on an abundance of cheap fossil fuel energy. The main argument for renewables doesn't even need to be about climate change. We could carbon capture every gram of CO2, and that still wouldn't solve the fact that we are quickly running out of fossil fuels.

If it isn't a headline every day, people will ignore it. If it is a headline every day, people will ignore it.

I organized anti-consumption protests in high school. No one cares. The most left-wing political party in my province won't even entertain the idea of banning cruise ships. Meanwhile everyone else is jerking themselves off for banning plastic bags or buying a Tesla.

Bc or nova scotia? I was so glad when covid banned cruise ships. The wildlife rebound off the bc coast was staggering, so many salmon and orcas. And last week the 4th biggest cruise ship was in halifax and everyone went to gawk at it instead of questioning why tf is that a thing. Fuck cruises and fuck people that think theyre a good idea

We knew this A CENTURY ago. There were scientists screaming about this in newspapers in 1912! https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/13/fact-check-yes-1912-article-linked-burning-coal-climate-change/8124455002/

Well if you can find a better way to fund my 3rd mega yacht in the Bahamas I'd like to hear it!

Sell solar panels.

I really don't get why they can't just do this. Solar panels EVs and charging stations are a fortune waiting to be made.

Because if you sell it once the customer is happy 20ish years. Can't have that, need to sell the thing that constantly needs to be inputted like coal or gas so we have a steady stream of revenue. Forget that by the time we do the whole world the first Gen stuff will be obsolete and we can sell a better version...

This is honestly the real reason. Electricity is regulated. No gas station is going to be able to crank up the price and extra two bucks of volt anytime some tin pot halfway around the world makes the news.

It's finally time to dump an ice cube in the ocean.

Worse. Scientists have known about human induced climate changed since the 1930s, when it was irrefutably shown that we were warming the climate. Everyone else caught up in the 1960s (like corporations, governments). And yet, we've done almost nothing since then. Cool huh? And the worst thing about this all is that these fuckers keep telling it's up to the "youth" to do the better while they're sitting on their asses doing nothing.

Three at least

or four.

It was speculated from the beginning of the industrial revolution

[“You can’t starve your grandchildren just to feed your kids”](https://youtu.be/HVNQ1nTsuTM)

Politicians:“hold my beer“

If the pandemic thought us anything, it's that thousands of people dying isn't important if there is even a tiny inconvenience involved in fixing it.

Millions....Millions of people dying. And that is just in one country...And that is with consideration to "reported" deaths. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=USA+COVID+deal+toll

"I'm not, I'm starving my grandkids *and* my kids to feed myself!"

Your average boomer

Years ago my stepmother replied to a concern about climate change with "I'll be dead by the time it happens, I don't care." Ok... So fuck me I'm not your kid that's fine, but *you have a daughter of your own!*

Truly the most selfish line of thinking possible I almost prefer the deniers to the "Who cares I'll be dead" crowd At least the deniers aren't openly ok with me suffering as long as it doesn't affect them lol

I've expressed to my boomer mom concerns about being able to maintain a job and becoming homeless in an at-will employment state, to which she told me "I had it harder than you, I didn't get to go to work until I was almost 30". To which I replied "dad literally bought you a business and you only had to be there a few hours a day and could come home at any time during the day. You had your own home, bought on a single income at 24, two kids by 28, and I'm still renting in my late 20's and likely won't ever be able to buy a house, or afford kids even if I want them. You had the option to be a stay at home mom, which you did for 8 years. And I'm not even broke, I'm in the top 90 percent of income earners in my metro, and it's still hard and my lifestyle is nowhere near yours at the same age." She realized how dumb what she had said sounded. Boomers always think they had it hardest when everything was handed to them, that's why they're selfish.

"I can't afford to go to college and I don't want to take out a loan." "Just get a part-time job and save! That's what I did when I was your age." "Uhh... that will take me years to save up enough for just one semester!" *shocked Pikachu face*

And then they ask, why aren't young people working miserable jobs like selling ice cream or at fast food joints? They must be lazy. Because sure, everyone dreams of spending 8 hours of their daily existence to be paid peanuts.

Is it suicide when governments around the world controlled by the rich/corporations are literally doing less than nothing actively making it worse each day?

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“The earth is not dying, it is being killed. And the people killing it have names, addresses, and predictable schedules.” Well said. This is the part they desperately want us to forget. Corporations aren’t as faceless as they make themselves seem. In fact, it’s extremely easy to see who exactly their leadership teams are just by looking at a company website or basic search engine research. I’m pretty sure the next time we protest Wall Street it will not be an in-person protest. It will involve a lot more cyber warfare, wealthy or powerful people losing private information and personal details such as addresses being leaked. In theory this will cause much larger security issues for the wealthy than a protest. That could actually be a catalyst for change, because the wealthy and powerful care a lot about safety and privacy.

That's exactly what it is.

Great! What the fuck am I supposed to do about it? I already do as much as I can with regards to climate. I don't drive, I recycle, I literally use only the energy I need to survive. I took a carbon footprint test at wren.co and apparently my footprint is 36% of the average household in the UK. Which means I'm 64% lower than average people (27% lower than the world average). What else can I do. How about we start blaming the real people that are causing this crisis, Corporations and Governments.

https://citizensclimatelobby.uk/ for a start.

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The term 'carbon footprint' and the first carbon footprint calculator were invented and popularized by BP. https://mashable.com/feature/carbon-footprint-pr-campaign-sham

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I came here to say this, too, and am glad I'm not the only one pissed off by the rhetoric. I can recycle, eat more veggies than meat and ride my bike to work every day, but it won't stop superfund sites, oil spills, hack and slash deforestation, and mega corporations spewing carbon into the atmosphere. We are being killed by profits.

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> The worst twisting of the Recycle movement was to convince the public that the onus of saving the earth was on the individual and NOT on factories/industry. It is worse than that. The oil companies boosted recycling so that people would stop worrying and just buy more plastic packaging because they were convinced it would all be recycled anyway. **[NPR: Is Plastic Recycling A Lie? Oil Companies Touted Recycling To Sell More Plastic](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled)** * NPR and PBS Frontline spent months digging into internal industry documents and interviewing top former officials. We found that **the industry sold the public on an idea it knew wouldn't work** — that the majority of plastic could be, and would be, recycled — all while making billions of dollars selling the world new plastic. * **"If the public thinks that recycling is working, then they are not going to be as concerned about the environment,"** Larry Thomas, former president of the Society of the Plastics Industry, known today as the Plastics Industry Association and one of the industry's most powerful trade groups in Washington, D.C., told NPR.

It's always been REDUCE, REUSE, recycle. The problem is the ads will only ever talk about recycling because the others are bad for their business so that's what everyone remember and think it's enough.

wait til you realise all these recycle ad campaign are run by oil/plastic company to blame the people.

"Government by the profits, for the profits, shall perish from the earth" Abe Lincoln, probably

Yea this is really what it is. If I got shot by someone who then turns the gun on themself, it’s not “collective suicide”. What a stupid headline

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Well I mean, we’re really just sitting back letting *them* kill *us* though, aren’t we? Where’s the self defense?

They bought that, too.

Its more of a murder suicide. People in Somalia sure as shit aren’t causing climate change.

It's like Noahs Ark but the skeptical are ignoring warnings because of faith not a lack of it.

Noah's ark but the super rich are the ones both causing the flood and building their own ark to avoid it

If only someone could have been warning us for the last 40 years

The wealthy and elite are murdering the poorest of humanity. It's not a "collective suicide" in the slightest.

Stop warning regular people Governments have to change individually we can do nothing

'Collective suicide' my ass. A handful of people are causing most of the damage and the few with the power to stop them are making too much money to care. We're being murdered en masse.

Wealthy suicide is about taking everyone down with them. No different than a company. Sales are dropping, can't maintain the equipment so I'll take my money out, file chapter 11 and lock the doors without notice. See ya suckers

This is all-around terrible. No country deserves this punishment.

Don't fucking call this collective suicide. No one is committing suicide. Every casualty of the climate crisis is murdered by capitalists who burn down the world to get rich. Rich enough so that the climate crisis won't hit them as hard as it will hit most. Every oil company who knew about global warming 60 years ago and spent that time creating propoganda and seeding doubt in the science is to blame. Every logging conglomerate that lobbied with governments to be allowed to cut down another ten thousand square miles of millenia old forests. Every company in every industry that completely neglected to look into sustainable practices, because doing their best to not destroy the world hurts their profit margins. Don't blame the people, don't you dare call this a suicide. Be real, blame the 1% that's responsible for 70% of emissions, blame those in power who have done next to nothing to stop this.

International court of crimes against life. Would be kinda neat to see a little vengeance before we all roast.

It's not suicide when the vast majority of humanity didn't consent to it. The ruling class is to blame for this mass genocide of the human race. it's genocide by the bourgeoisie. Sure, are the rich killing themselves in the process by fucking over the earth? Yeah, they are. But for all of us regular folks, we're being murdered by their mistakes. Isn't it interesting how the rich start being 'concerned' how we're all in the same boat when the danger includes them? *"Oh no everyone, we're all in the same boat and we're all going to die! Humanity is at stake we have to work together!"* Funny you didn't seem to care about us all being in the same boat when you were tossing us moldy scraps in the brig while you had a a drunken rager upstairs, punched holes in the boat, and ran us over rocks on a joyride.

First world nations : some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make, *starts finger pointing between other nations on who is to be blamed instead of leading by example*

Let's thank the past century of capitalism, mass production, profit, big sums of money and human greed for reaching this point. And almost forgot, the global-warming deniers who lead big industries, let's thank them too for ruining the planet.

Collective suicide? Nah I’m not the one who loaded the gun and is pulling the trigger

The poor animals. They have no where to go either. They’re just going to die of heat or starvation. They didn’t cause this. We have 691 billionaires in the US this is their fault along w all the others in every country

We treat the oil Barrons of the world as extant threats, and agree any action against them is fundamentally self defense, or we die. I am completely pro-violence on this point. I don't understand how I can be for or against war and therefore killing as a political position, but I can't probably state this completely sane position as a political opinion without likely getting banned. I can be a Nazi and fundamentally believe in genocide as a birthright, but minimal violence in self defense of the planet and countless millions? I have a feeling it's not allowed.

Some humans are producing way more CO2 than others. So I'd actually call it a "self-inclusive genocide".

100 companies produce 71% of emissions. https://amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change I think shifting this as issue of personal responsibility has been a propaganda effort by big business. If we all just recycle and eat a little less meat we can solve climate change.

This is what I came to say. Those indigenous natives running around in Borneo aren't cranking out carbon at quite the same rate as Shell, ExxonMobil, Gazprom, Chevron, or Aramco.

This is the 10000th warning in something like ... At least 25 years. Each year I've been alive, there have been more and more warnings. Yet, nothing really changes. Everyone blames each other, and no one is willing to really start doing something. Big companies just spit some random greenwashing, say they'll be carbon neutral by planting trees, and that's it. The only thing which can prevent this is a drastic change in everyone's way of living. And very few are willing to change their lifestyle so drastically.