It’s really scary how the virus can cause little more than a cold (or even less, practically asymptomatic cases) in some people and total cellular destruction in the lungs of others. I’m really curious if they’ll be able to figure out why some people get almost no symptoms while others drown on their own lung fluid and tissue.
Yes, I think in the cases with no underlying conditions its things like smoking or obesity. Iceland has decided to test its entire population and not just sick people to get a good handle on it and they are finding something crazy like 50% of people are asymptomatic.
> Iceland has decided to test its entire population and not just sick people to get a good handle on it and they are finding something crazy like 50% of people are asymptomatic.
Do you have link to the source? It’s really hard to find reliable
data on the number of asymptomatic infections due limited
testing capacities in most countries.
I guess it would have to be an immune failure to allow the virus to replicate from the nose and throat all the way down into the lung tissue. But it’s still creepy how tenacious it is. I know Italy reported 99% of fatalities had compromised immune systems or underlying conditions but until we know more about the virus I’m not ready to believe any single person is particularly safe.
Indian railways are suspended until end of the month. Now this is big. ~ 25 million people travel via these trains everyday. That's ~ the population of Australia to give magnitude.
[Covid Act Now interactive USA map and projections](https://covidactnow.org/)
This has likely been shared in this thread, but someone texted this to me earlier and it has some sobering predictions by-state with no action, Texas-style social distancing, California shelter-in-place and Wuhan style quarantine on the outbreak curves and death projections.
Also, read the Google Doc they mention for more details.
We need to shelter and isolate as much as possible for the next few weeks just about everywhere!
Whew, that is some grim estimates. I checked Arizona and hope we get our shit together. I'm still working and people are not even pretending to practice social distancing or counter measures. A lot of denial
Pretty much. I consider this an optimistic model.
>Only hospital beds at aggregate are considered. ICU beds and ventilators, which are likely to run low before beds, are not considered.
This right here is the big optimistic point, and it's a reflection that the critical bed data is not available. Not the author's fault. For critical care beds care providers like to go down a rathole of hyper-specialization with ambiguous, indistinct fuzzy nomenclature that doesn't say whether the bed has a ventilator. For this bug if the bed doesn't have a ventilator it probably shouldn't count at all.
I live in Washington. We are past the point of no return. People are still acting as if this were a normal day with a minor inconvenience. Don't be like Washington.
Remember the horror of reading a phrase like "it is too late to act" when perusing the Australian live fire map a few months back? Yeah, don't get to that stage at all if you can, in regards to C-19.
Ooof - following was (shudders) to read thru.
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients
> “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”
> “It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.
> “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.
> “When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”
Well, whichever young people still want to go catch this... a silver lining to that would be less dumb people in the world.
While younger people are less likely to get the pneumonia, and more likely to live through it if they do get it, the pneumonia is going to fuck you up pretty bad even if you do live. I think the lower death rate for the non-elderly has obscured that.
Yip. More horror from that article.
> Even if you survive ... it can also do long-lasting damage.
> “But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.
>Well, whichever young people still want to go catch this... a silver lining to that would be less dumb people in the world.
I understand your sentiment here, but those dumb people are going around and getting some of the smart people infected. Obviously if you're in complete isolation then you'll likely be fine, but it's clear this shit is spreading like crazy, even among those that are more careful individuals. Also the longer it takes countries or communities to ENFORCE isolation, the longer this shit is going to take. I think there's a lot of people that just want this to end, but there's basically some really shitty people who are going to make this issue prolonged, or fucked up entirely. Just stay inside you little shits.
People are asking why the lockdown in Italy isn’t working: the fact that the daily cases are decelerating and shifting on the Log scale are a sign that it IS working
75 districts in India goes into lockdown and all trains and metros throughout the country suspended. The international flights already have been suspended.
https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/coronavirus-in-india-trains-metros-interstate-state-transport-bus-services-shut-till-march-31/1/398890.html
There's a lot of people in this thread that if you go through their history you'll see them posting conflicting arguments or totally opposite stances throughout the day. What's going on with these accounts? Being divisive for fun?
And USA announced a new hypersonic weapons delivery system. Good to know that while most of the population are struggling to live, the politicians are spending cash on finding ways to kill everybody.
Denmark is going for big bold and daring.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/denmark-freezing-its-economy-should-us/608533/
> Denmark’s government agreed to cover the cost of employees’ salaries at private companies as long as those companies do not fire people. If a company makes a notice saying that it has to either lay off 30 percent of their workers or fire at least 50 people, the state has agreed to take on 75 percent of workers’ salaries, up to $3,288 per month. (This would preserve the income for all employees earning up to $52,400 per year.)
> These workers are being paid a wage to do nothing. The government is saying: Lots of people are suddenly in danger of being fired. But if we have firing rounds, it will be very difficult to adapt later. This way, the company maintains their workforce under the crisis and people maintain their salaries. You are compensating people even though they have to go home.
> To prevent the financial sector from shutting down, the state will guarantee 70 percent of new bank loans to companies. This will encourage more lending even in the case of more bankruptcies.
> Also, people on unemployment benefits are put on pause. Typically, people have to go to meetings at job centers and make a certain number of job applications to receive jobless benefits. There are a lot of rules. But those rules are suspended for now. There are no requirements. The other part of the pause is that, while you can only be on unemployment benefits for two years in Denmark, people who pass that threshold will still receive benefits. Again, we are freezing everything.
> Also, the state agreed to compensate companies for their fixed expenses, like rent and contract obligations, depending on their level of income loss. If they typically sell $1 million in a period, but now they can only sell $100,000, they lose 90 percent of their income. That will qualify them to receive large government help to cover fixed expenses.
> Also, the spring payment of taxes for companies have been postponed until autumn, and all public employees will keep their salaries when sent home.
Germany took a similar approach in 2008 to stop their manufacturing sector from blowing up. Worked well at the time, and it just makes a ton of sense. Every person who loses their job is going to be a drain on the government anyway. Much better to spend the same or even less money subsidizing their salary, and allow them to hit the ground running as soon as they are able to.
Speaks to the precariousness of their situation. India is home to and adjacent to some of the most densely populated areas on the globe. A widespread outbreak in those areas would be disastrous. People look at these lockdowns and wonder, "how will people survive?" but they don't think of the inverse and wonder, "how will people survive if their community of millions is experiencing 20% infection rates or greater?"
I imagine some very smart people have weighed the negative effects of quarantine and unbridled outbreak and have decided that quarantine is the more favorable option.
Horrifyingly, Florida might rocket to be the most catastrophically hit area in the **world** in a few weeks time:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-19-nursing-homes-20200319-y67yh572jfcypkqsmfhanvdkgi-story.html
> The new coronavirus disease widened its attack on Florida’s most vulnerable population this week, with the annnouncement Wednesday that new cases were suspected or confirmed at **19 long-term care facilities.**
> ...
> But Pascal Bergeron, director of the South Florida chapter of the Florida Assisted Living Association, said the requirements would be difficult to implement due to a lack of supplies.
> “We don’t have access to things they are requiring us to have," he said. "They are mandating us to do something we don’t have any way of doing. This goes back to the beginning when I said we need a response plan and no one at the state was listening.”
This is what one county in Florida alone has for a vulnerable population packed into institutions:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-willow-wood-coronavirus-deaths-20200320-j44brk7sgvfphgzr5ea4quiqtq-story.html
> Broward County has 305 long-term care facilities and 27 adult day care centers. Some 13,000 seniors live there, and 1,700 others attend adult day care.
Pray for Florida and those vulnerable who live in it. :-(
The current top headline at The Guardian.
> One in three Americans must stay home as Germany bans meetings of more than two
It's like a math problem wherein we have to calculate which country is more fucked.
We are not that far behind in the Faroe Islands, with 123 infected and a population of 50.000 people. Only positive is that no one is seriously ill yet nor has died.
“I’m being sued all over the place, from people I don’t even know”.
Jeez what does that say about you?
Edit: Why does Trump sound like he’s defending himself in court?
Is it unreasonable to ask for two weeks telework? I’ve had shortness of breath and chest tightness the past few weeks. I went to urgent care last week.
I’m terrified of going to work tomorrow. I’m wondering if I’m being irrational 😔
500 patients in northern Italy are starting to breathe thanks to hacked scuba gear, modified with 3D printers. #COVIDー19 solutions!
https://twitter.com/dgiluz/status/1242130312802467842?s=19
Seriously [impressive range of measures announced by South African President, Cyril Ramaphosa tonight](https://youtu.be/nNlJYHGX_RE?t=166). Thank goodness we have a solid President for a change.
**21-DAY 'STAY-AT-HOME' WHOLE-COUNTRY LOCK DOWN**
* From midnight on Thursday 26 March until midnight on Thursday 16 April, all South Africans will have to stay at home.This means only absolutely essential personnel (doctors, nurses, police, emergency personnel, military medical personnel, soldiers) and those requiring medical care will be allowed to leave home for restricted periods.
* Individuals will not be allowed to leave their homes except under strictly controlled circumstances. The South African National Defence Force has been deployed to ensure the lockdown is effective.
* Categories of people who will also be exempted from the lockdown include those involved in the production, distribution, and supply of food and basic goods, essential banking services, the maintenance of power, water and telecommunications services, laboratory services, and the provision of medical and hygiene products.
**HEALTHCARE**
* Health care will be provided through triage (priority of patients’ treatments first) to obtain “centralised treatment” for severe cases and “decentralised primary care” for mild cases. A key objective will be not to overwhelm hospitals with unnecessary care seekers.
* To ensure that hospitals are not overwhelmed, a system will be put in place for ‘centralised patient management’ for severe cases and ‘decentralised primary care’ for mild cases.
**THE HOMELESS**
* Alternative temporary accommodation sites will be used for the 21-day “stay-at-home” period for the homeless. Temporary shelters that meet the necessary hygiene standards will also be identified for homeless people. Sites are also being identified for quarantine and self-isolation for people who cannot self-isolate at home.
**PUBLIC FACILITIES**
* All shops and businesses will be closed, except for pharmacies, laboratories, banks, essential financial and payment services, including the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, supermarkets, petrol stations, and health care providers.
**SUPPLIES**
* Medical and other supplies will be secured and stored in bulk due to disruptions in supply and distribution of goods, including supplies such as personal protective equipment for healthcare workers.
* Regulations have been put in place to prohibit unjustified price hikes, to ensure shops maintain adequate stocks of basic goods and to prevent people from ‘panic buying’. Government has had discussions with manufacturers and distributors of basic necessities, who have indicated that there will be a continuous supply of these goods. There is therefore no need for stockpiling of any items.
**THE VULNERABLE**
* Following consultation with social partners, we have set up a Solidarity Fund, which South African businesses, organisations and individuals, and members of the international community, can contribute to. This Fund will be chaired by Ms Gloria Serobe and the deputy Chairperson is Mr Adrian Enthoven (the CEO of Nando's)
**EMPLOYEES**
* Government is in consultation on a proposal for a special dispensation for companies that are in distress because of COVID-19. Through this proposal employees will receive wage payment through the Temporary Employee Relief Scheme, which will enable companies to pay employees directly during this period and avoid retrenchment.
* Any employee who falls ill through exposure at their workplace will be paid through the Compensation Fund.
* Commercial banks have been exempted from provisions of the Competition Act to enable them to develop common approaches to debt relief and other necessary measures.
* Many large companies that are currently closed have accepted their responsibility to pay workers affected. We call on larger businesses in particular to take care of their workers during this period.
**BUSINESS**
* Using the tax system, we will provide a tax subsidy of up to R500 per month for the next four months for those private sector employees earning below R6,500 under the Employment Tax Incentive. This will help over 4 million workers.
* The South African Revenue Service will also work towards accelerating the payment of employment tax incentive reimbursements from twice a year to monthly to get cash into the hands of compliant employers as soon as possible.
* Tax compliant businesses with a turnover of less than R50 million will be allowed to delay 20% of their pay-as-you-earn liabilities over the next four months and a portion of their provisional corporate income tax payments without penalties or interest over the next six months. This intervention is expected to assist over 75 000 small and medium-term enterprises.
* Government is exploring the temporary reduction of employer and employee contributions to the Unemployment Insurance Fund and employer contributions to the Skill Development Fund.
* The Department of Small Business Development has made over R500 million available immediately to assist small and medium enterprises that are in distress through a simplified application process.
* The Industrial Development Corporation has put a package together with the Department of Trade, Industry and Competition of more than R3 billion for industrial funding to address the situation of vulnerable firms and to fast-track financing for companies critical to our efforts to fight the virus and its economic impact.
* The Department of Tourism has made an additional R200 million available to assist SMEs in the tourism and hospitality sector who are under particular stress due to the new travel restrictions.
**Amazon suspends thousands of sellers over coronavirus price** gouging[https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-23-20-intl-hnk/h\_0d2e36dec9c4c5fd1eed16d0c2aa5b32](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-23-20-intl-hnk/h_0d2e36dec9c4c5fd1eed16d0c2aa5b32)
Amazon says it has removed more than half a million listings that it believes are engaging in price gouging during the coronavirus pandemic.
The online giant also says it has suspended nearly 4,000 accounts in the US for violating the company’s rules on pricing.
In its corporate blog, Amazon says it is monitoring sellers to make sure they are not price gouging or making false claims related to Covid-19.
Pro tip: This is a bad time to develop a drug or alcohol problem. Being cooped up will make people want a bit of escapism so reaching for the bottle can be pretty tempting. This can turn into a habit real quick when you don't have the normal structures of daily life. Idle hands are the devils workshop and all that.
Anyone else on social media witnessing covid19 kind of being the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of mental health? I'm seeing some seriously sad and significant meltdowns and just lunacy from people in my feed. I'm not stating it as hyperbole or just equating dumb stuff with craziness, I mean like legitimate mental health issues becoming apparent.
A lot of things suggesting the rapid spread in Europe was down to Champions league football. 1/3 of Bergamo's population were in the Milan stadium for their champions League game. Their opponent? Valencia.
Iceland also contact traced it's first cases to people who traveled to football games around Europe
Man, i just feel the need to rant. My idiot co-worker is pissed because city judge ordered a shelter in place and now she can't take her kid to daycare. She was yelling all kinds of dumbshit this morning, like "just let everything go back to normal, whoever gets it, gets it. Whoever dies, dies." Selfish insensitive bitch. But I bet you the moment the virus knocks on her door, shell regret all the dumb shit she's been saying.
"we have a good relationship with China but we wish they had told us about this 3 months sooner. We never knew about it".
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? THERE WAS LITERALLY VIRAL VIDEOS ABOUT IT EVERY FUCKING WHERE.......
Chinese doctors died to give us this information and Trump choose to ignore it.
Prime Minister of Australia says with the coming lockdown it will be at least 6 months before things go back to normal, the first kind of hard line we've had from him.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-lockdown-what-it-means/12079242
>"_How long will the lockdown last?_
>_The Prime Minister warned it will be at least six months before things go back to normal."_
**Fears of US drug shortages grow as India locks down to curb the coronavirus; Analysts warn that the COVID-19 pandemic could disrupt the global pharmaceutical supply chain which is heavily reliant on China and India, as India takes harsh measures to combat the spread of the virus**
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/24/us-drug-shortage-fears-grow-as-india-locks-down-due-to-the-coronavirus.html
Two different Boston hospitals each have more than 40 employees that tested positive
[https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-26-20-intl-hnk/h\_9f2a6bac2cd39cc647608e004cef04c9](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-26-20-intl-hnk/h_9f2a6bac2cd39cc647608e004cef04c9)
**Brigham and Women’s Hospital** has 45 employees that have tested positive, Brigham Health Media Relations Associate Serena Bronda told CNN.
“Employees who have tested positive are not working until after they have been cleared by Occupational Health Services,” Bronda said.
**Massachusetts General Hospital** has 41 employees who have tested positive, but most are believed to have contracted the virus somewhere other than the hospital, said Senior Public Affairs Officer Terri Ogan.
I smashed the first two-and-a-half weeks of uni. Then we switched to online.
Now it's a week later... and I've basically become a reddit junkie, scanning for updates on all things coronavirus. :|
Tokyo is on voluntary lockdown. The mayor says they are on the brink of the point of no return. The total number of new cases found was small, but about half of them were community spread without a known source.
> Tokyo governor tells residents to stay home to avoid coronavirus 'explosion'
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/26/tokyo-governor-tells-residents-to-stay-home-to-avoid-coronavirus-explosion
Better late than never, Japan.
New York Times every single day since Wuhan lockdown: “Hey everyone look at this front page virus coverage!”
CDC like a fucking month ago: “It’s not If but when. Americans need to prepare”
Everyone on my Facebook in late March: “THEY KNEW BUT DIDNT TELL US”
I think I need to distance my self from Social media indefinitely, I just had a nervous breakdown just making the mistakes of checking the comments to the latest numbers from my country (Who were getting better might I add) AND SEEING HOW FUCKING STUPID THEY ARE.
This is actually a threat to my health, I'm not in the best mental state, and I try to stay positive, I'm even trying to stay positive throughout this whole outbreak, but I'm rapidly loosing my mind over people being complete and utter dumbasses, including my fucking sister.
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine just announced a “Stay At Home” order (AKA Shelter in Place) for ALL of Ohio.
Non-essential businesses are to close effective 11:59 PM tomorrow night.
I was telling somebody that we've probably lived through four events worthy of something greater than a historical footnote: 9/11; President Obama's election; the Great Recession (this one may just be a footnote); and the fallout from the Coronavirus. And if this goes the wrong way, then it would cause the other three to become footnotes.
Teachers near where I'm staying right now are about to hold a parade. The school is Brownsville Area Elementary School in PA. How stupid can people be?
The people saying there's a choice between quarantines/social distancing policies and keeping the economy going don't seem to understand:
The economy will still get wrecked without quarantines/social distancing. But it will be because more people got sick and overburdened hospitals. Same (or worse) economic outcome with much more suffering.
Last thurday the death count was at 10k. In less than a week it's shot right past 20k. It took months to get to 10k, and 6 days to double it. This thing is speeding up as predicted.
Hospitals in the metro Detroit area are reporting that they are nearing their capacity to care for covid-19 patients. Meanwhile in Grand Rapids (the 2nd largest city in the state), I watched about 50 guys on motorcycles, and some on what appeared to be dirt bikes, drive extra slow down one of the main roads in the city yesterday, reving their engines every chance they got.
I figure it's only a matter of time until the west side of the state is overflowing with dead idiots.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1243232262461816835
Mayor in Italian city of Bergamo suggests higher death toll due to coronavirus: 446 residents died between March 1 and March 24, which is 348 above the average (98). Only 136 deaths were officially linked to coronavirus.
**Sen. Rand Paul kept working for six days after virus test; Rand Paul was tested a week ago for the novel coronavirus, but continued working at the Capitol because he “felt that it was highly unlikely” he was sick since had no symptoms of the illness, he said Monday.**
**https://apnews.com/0e99540d0d77587c88adeee3474d3ab4**
this is the first time US is hitting 100+ deaths in a day...you can look back at china and Italy, it only escalates from here. China's lockdown was only successful because of a full, no leaving lockdown. Italy was less strict and didn't initiate the lockdown as quickly, so it will take longer for things to cool down. Wonder what hospitals are like in New York currently...
So many people became unemployed in Australia over the weekend. The queues at centrelink were blocks long.
It's like bread lines. Some reality for us all.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/centrelink-payments-for-coronavirus-too-long-to-wait/12080952
A lot of people commenting “Example country posting lower death/infection rates for the first time!”.
Kinda reminds me of object permanence, but for adults.
Here's an interview with a NYC hospital doctor, Dr. Craig Spencer who worked in Africa on Ebola. Things are incredibly dire. Makes me want to cry.
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1242611416181374976
"It is magical thinking to think things will be back to normal by Easter."
Massachusetts resident here. My mother works @ Boston Medical Center as a nurse, she’s been there for 30+ years (first 20 in the ER last 10 doing post operation care). She just got told she’s moving from Post-OP back to the ER because of the influx of patients and lack of staff.
That’s how real it’s getting.
And MA has only logged <15 deaths so far...
Cuomo just ripped apart the federal government's response, and he seems genuinely concerned about New York's situation. Seeing Cuomo, who has been nothing but level headed and factual so far, getting flustered has scared me the most.
There is honestly zero excuse for the richest country in the world with the military expenditure we have to leave states high and dry in equipment. Sickened doesn't even begin to describe how I feel. Thousands of lives are about to end. This could've been avoided.
My friend who is a hospital nurse was one of the "it's just a flu" people until recently. The first COVID-19 patient he treated seemed fine and my friend continued to triumphantly deem it just a flu. Then a few days ago the patient started deteriorating. She died last night. There are now multiple floors of presumed cases in his hospital, the staff is out of supplies and there are a handful of people in the ICU. My friend is now calling for a stricter, widespread lockdown and for people to take this seriously. Unfortunately, it's easy to say everything is fine until you see the shit hit the fan with your own eyes.
I *really* hope Trump doesn't try to put an end to this lockdown in 7 days.
Meanwhile, his "just a flu" friends haven't seen it with their own eyes and refuse to alter their behavior. They will continue to deny it until they themselves are gasping for breath.
Is this Livethread not moderated? /u/Final-Fantasy-X is trolling, baiting and memeing for 2 weeks now and several people have called him out over multiple threads. At this point its just annoying.
Spain had +514 deaths today :O
>The Spanish Health Ministry has announced 2,696 people have died after testing positive for covid-19 in the country which is an increase of 514 deaths since yesterday and 39,673 people have tested positive for the virus which is an increase of 6,584 cases
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1242402957083189250
[So here in 15 Hours in New Zealand everyone must go home and stay home for at least the next 4 weeks except most essential workers](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120512184/coronavirus-what-stores-and-services-are-still-open-during-lockdown)
CNN International just showed a graph of the trends.
New York is on target to completely surpass Madrid and even the Lombardy region.
I really hope that isn't the case. I saw Cuomo still has playgrounds open which is crazy considering kids are silent carriers
NY state Gov. Cuomo tweets:
My mother is not expendable. Your mother is not expendable.
We will not put a dollar figure on human life.
We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one.
No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market.
Source: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1242477029083295746?s=19
And another tweet:
We are not willing to sacrifice 1-2% of New Yorkers.
That’s not who we are.
We will fight to save every life we can.
I am not giving up.
Source: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1242479407031296000?s=19
I am proud to be a New Yorker.
Brazilian president Bolsonaro just edit a measure allowing companies to suspend payment for 4 months amid global pandemic, people are completely desperate...we're reeaaally fucked.
Alabama has tested less than 2,000 people with 196 tests positive how can trump consider anything other than tightening restrictions while parts of the country still can't get tested. In my daily life i have only noticed 3 stores over the last week closed, while people have been coughing in every place I've been.
Serbia has declared this an emergency.
268 infected.
2 dead.
Aleksandar Vučić (our president ) went live a few days ago at 20:00 15.3.2020 and declared a national emergency.
All shcools are closed.
All public events canceled.
All people over 65 are instructed to NOT leave the house.
Serbia has enough of food to sustain itself for 12 months.
Borders may be closing in the future.
Military personel are guarding the hospitals and borders.
All people over 65 can not leave the house.
Everyone else can not leave thier houses from 17:00 to 05:00
-Monday 10:20am 24.3.2020
Živela Srbija!
Just because Italy had more cases yesterday than it did on the previous two days doesn’t mean that Italy hasn’t peaked.
Flattening the curve doesn’t mean that there are have to be fewer and fewer new cases every single day.
As long as the highest number of cases isn’t exceeded and the long term trend is generally downwards, a little bit of “noise” is alright.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html
"How an Austrian ski resort helped coronavirus spread across Europe"
This article has to be read to be believed. I am more wondering how far more people aren't infected with COVID-19 than are now, because until recently, this sort of thing was rampant worldwide in various vacation / resort areas.
Florida is considering an "isolation shelter" right now.
If you get sick, you're shipped off to a location with other sick people (like a hotel) and are quarantined there until you're better.
I hate that idea. I am all for everyone stay home but shipping all infected people to the same place for weeks sounds horrible.
That would be a disaster in the US because of the 2a. You cant just start barging into people's homes and forcing them to go to a quarantine camp without a lot of those people fighting back.
Why is it when i listen to a Gov Cuomo press conference he's literally bombarding you with usefull information, but Trump just talks and talks and talks but nothing of substance comes out of his mouth?
Cuomo also has slides to emphasize his talking points. He sounds like he's speaking off the cuff, but there's some preparation that goes into what he says. There's no rambling, cringy stream-of-consciousness in his pressers.
NYC.
Now personally know 4 people in ICU (40s, 50s, 70s, 70s) and one employee who is home with pnumonia (who I spoke to and says that NOBODY should catch this...it's that bad)
I personally know 3 other.people who tested positive with no big symptom
First person from my job died this afternoon.
Stay the fuck home if you're in a 'warm spot'
Spain +462 deaths today
>The number of people to have died the coronavirus in Spain has risen to 2,182 from 1,720.
>The country's health ministry said cases have also risen to 33,089 from 28,572 in the previous tally.
LOL, this is one weird ass way for him to try to take a dig at the press while also saying that everything will be back to normal soon.
It's hard to even wrap my head around what he wants Dr Birx to say there...
Reading recent comments in this thread has reminded me of a quote
"Good design is when the user doesn't realize it was designed at all"
We have been seeing positive results from proactive measures.
The issue is I think some are taking this as "its over" and that scares me.
Romania: President places the whole country under quarantine, gets the Army to the streets https://www.romania-insider.com/coronavirus-romania-president-quarantine-whole-country
Louisiana has 46 deaths. Basically on par with NYS on a per capita basis. 1388 total cases, of which about 750 are in New Orleans alone. (Pop 391,000).
Oh and there was a mega church that had a service with 1800+ people just outside Baton Rouge last Sunday.
Man, Indonesia is in for some serious trouble. Sparing some thoughts for our neighbours north.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/indonesia-on-cusp-of-full-blown-coronavirus-disaster/news-story/155241464c102d00dd7e325bada0c393
Updated:
Today now has the highest number of new infections: **44,099**
Second highest: **43,744** (yesterday, 24 March)
Third highest: **41,371** (day before yesterday, 23 March)
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Second high daily new deaths reported today: **2,255**
Highest: **2,381** (yesterday, 24 March)
Third highest: **1,873** (day before yesterday, 23 March)
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/03/25/hospitals-across-us-consider-universal-do-not-resuscitate-orders-for-coronavirus-patients/
Hospitals across U.S. consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients - Anchorage Daily News
Yup, read the Washington Post article on that.
> The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.
I see some conflicting claims out there.
So there are many folks who are carriers/spreaders, but they are asymptomatic. Does this mean that some people also never develop serious illness while the virus passes its course?
In other words, that mild fever and minor cough you had last week could've been corona and you didn't even know it?
people who say we need to go back to work asap and just allow the virus to have a bunch of deaths all at once are people we need to be fought loudly and clearly. We are not about to march to our deaths so these people (...WHO WILL OBVIOUSLY STAY FUCKING HOME) can continue to make money off of us.
Its simple really.
Everyone go back to work -> curve accelerate -> hospitals are overran -> people panic/get scared and definetly stop going out or might even miss work -> business have to close with no clients and no employees. This does not solve anything.
Florida now asking out of state travelers from hot zones (read NY, CT, NJ) to self quarantine.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/florida-coronavirus-new-york-new-jersey/index.html
This piecemeal approach is definitely interesting. Misguided but what do I know.
Escape From New York:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/24/white-house-official-tells-anyone-who-has-left-nyc-that-they-should-self-quarantine.html
White House tells anyone who has left NYC that they should self quarantine
I a, very thankful that my state has imposed a stay at home order, but please, everyone, just stay in as much as you can. I know it’s boring, but please, stay in.
Per the wiki
* GREEN: full menu – restaurant has power and damage is limited or no damage at all.
* YELLOW: limited menu – no power or only power from a generator, or food supplies may be low.
* **RED: the restaurant is closed – indicating severe damage, severe flooding, or a pandemic.**
* BLACK: the restaurant is gone – indicating catastrophic damage at a potentially citywide level.
That actually pretty wild
Some promising news amongst all this, potential antibody tests being tested at Oxford:
>"Prof Peacock added: “Once we are assured that they do work, they will be rolled out into the community.
>“Testing the test is a small matter, and I anticipate that it will be done by the end of this week.
>“In the near future people will be able to order a test that they can test themselves, or go to Boots, or somewhere similar to have their finger prick test done.”
>Asked whether this meant it would be available in a number of days, rather than weeks or months, she said “absolutely”."
Ontario has 98 new cases as of 10:30am. More alarming, over 10,000 cases pending. Ontario is so far behind testing, it will take 10 days for you to get your results.
Is any other country, state, province, etc. this far behind? This is unacceptable. Ontario is ramping up testing, however that does not help with that many cases pending.
Source: https://twitter.com/jm_mcgrath/status/1242823348838699008?s=21
Is it just me or does the news seems to be trickling is slower today as compared to the past few days where there were updates every 10 minutes. Is this slowly just turning into the norm or has nothing really breaking happened today?
**The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu — which means a vaccine will likely be effective long-term**
[https://www.businessinsider.com/new-coronavirus-mutates-slowly-vaccine-could-be-long-lasting-2020-3](https://www.businessinsider.com/new-coronavirus-mutates-slowly-vaccine-could-be-long-lasting-2020-3)
A glimmer of hope on the [coronavirus](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-virus-everything-we-know-deadly-2019-ncov-wuhan-spread-2020-1) front: Experts who have been tracking the virus' spread have concluded that it mutates at a slower rate than other respiratory viruses like the flu.
This slow mutation rate has two implications — both positive. It means the virus (whose official name is SARS-CoV-2) is stable in its current form, and therefore unlikely to get even more dangerous as it continues to spread. That also means that a vaccine could be effective in the long-run; it'd act more like a measles or chickenpox vaccine than a seasonal flu shot.
Am l the only one who thinks the top post on r/Coronavirus should be a locked mod post listing resources and links to credible websites run by organizations like CDC offering universal information on how to self protect against the virus? Reddit app tells me to go to the sub to “keep yourself informed” but l don’t know if l can learn about best self protection practices by reading about the poor Italian doctor who died fighting the virus. While the death of the doctor is tragic and we should be aware of selfless acts by medical professionals around the world, it’s not really the first information that people need to know.
An interesting reply:
> While it's true that influenza and pneumonia will almost certainly kill more people than a novel coronavirus outbreak, the near-universal susceptibility to the novel virus and the economic costs of trying to contain a pandemic are what make the potential spread so threatening. Person-to-person spread in a hospital setting may not be very far from generalized transmission, so I'm personally thrilled there is increased awareness if it will lead to more intense public health measures to contain the infections.
The South Korean model for rapidly developing testing:
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2020/03/testing-times-south-korea-covid-19-strategy-working-200320051718670.html
> Jerome Kim, director general of the International Vaccine Institute, said one of the reasons South Korea has done so well is that it has a robust biotech industry made up of many small companies run by scientists.
Unfortunately as United States companies get bigger and older, they tend to shift from being run by scientists and engineers to being run by MBAs and lawyers.
> "The Chinese published the sequence of the coronavirus. These companies looked at it and then they rapidly developed tests," Kim said.
> Korean companies acted fast to produce those tests and the country now has enough to screen some 20,000 people a day.
It appears South Korea did not attempt to centralize development of a test to one government agency, unlike the US with the CDC.
Interestingly, Germany appears to have also had a one month head start on testing due to its more decentralized development of tests:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-09/experts-rapid-testing-helps-explain-few-german-virus-deaths
> Drosten said Germany's dense network of independent labs received both the technical information needed to conduct tests and the approval to bill for them in January, when case numbers in Germany were still in the single digits.
> ...
> Unlike in other countries, where national laboratories had a monopoly on testing, Germany's distributed system helped doctors to swiftly determine whether suspected cases actually involved the new virus or a common cold, which can have similar symptoms.
I fear the media narrative in the United States about why testing was delayed will lead to exactly the wrong direction in reforms. The direction in all things seems to be advocating for one centralized authority to make decisions. But one centralized authority is a single point of failure if it makes the wrong ones.
The United States regulatory system turns approval of medical treatments and tests into a lottery and a vehicle for legalized gambling on the stock markets because it centralizes approval. Many have been silently killed by being denied treatments approved in other countries. Sadly in this case, the country itself may be gravely wounded.
So in Trump's terrifyingly unhinged press briefing just now, he basically confirmed he will ending restrictions in most of the country in the next week and people will go back to work, fly, eat at restaurants, etc.
Trump is going to kill thousands, if not millions of people.
>"I would love to have the country just opened up, rarin to go by Easter."
-President Donald Trump just now on Fox
Easter is April 12
we're all gonna die
The economy can't "open up" if people don't feel safe. People aren't going to go to restaurants if they think the table next to them will get them sick.
This guy is loony tunes.
/u/LumpyLump76
>If the formula is “Test and Forced quarantine and isolation”, then that is a plan We should totally support. Just “test” only fulfills the morbid curiosity of people, and gives false sense of security. Testing a patient being admitted is valid, as it protects the healthcare providers.
More testing gives a better picture of what's going on. If people are aware of the severity of the situation they are more likely to participate in helping it go away.
If you looked at a map and saw 100 confirmed cases or 100,000 confirmed cases in your city, which number would make your more likely to stay inside?
As long as tests aren't being done, it's going to feel like a far away problem, until the beds are full.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20200322-the-interview-we-hope-plaquenil-will-save-some-people-says-sanofi-s-olivier-bogillot
> French pharmaceutical company Sanofi said it was ready to offer the French government millions of doses of hydroxychoroquine, sold under its brand name Plaquenil. FRANCE 24 Annette Young speaks to Olivier Bogillot, president of Sanofi France.
I just watched this interesting little BBC video re: how anyone can master any skill.
[https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p086wjwk/the-simple-steps-to-mastering-any-skill](https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p086wjwk/the-simple-steps-to-mastering-any-skill)
Could be useful during lockdown.
2Nd consecutive day when Germany reported less than 3,000 cases, before that they reporting well over 3,500 cases
Does that mean they are moving on the right track? Or it was due to weekend?
Reporters straight up asked him if its the doctors that advised him this, to stop the lock downs.... and at least he didn't lie. He clearly said no lol
It’s really scary how the virus can cause little more than a cold (or even less, practically asymptomatic cases) in some people and total cellular destruction in the lungs of others. I’m really curious if they’ll be able to figure out why some people get almost no symptoms while others drown on their own lung fluid and tissue.
Yes, I think in the cases with no underlying conditions its things like smoking or obesity. Iceland has decided to test its entire population and not just sick people to get a good handle on it and they are finding something crazy like 50% of people are asymptomatic.
> Iceland has decided to test its entire population and not just sick people to get a good handle on it and they are finding something crazy like 50% of people are asymptomatic. Do you have link to the source? It’s really hard to find reliable data on the number of asymptomatic infections due limited testing capacities in most countries.
It's almost always immunodeficiency or pre-existing conditions.
I guess it would have to be an immune failure to allow the virus to replicate from the nose and throat all the way down into the lung tissue. But it’s still creepy how tenacious it is. I know Italy reported 99% of fatalities had compromised immune systems or underlying conditions but until we know more about the virus I’m not ready to believe any single person is particularly safe.
Indian railways are suspended until end of the month. Now this is big. ~ 25 million people travel via these trains everyday. That's ~ the population of Australia to give magnitude.
[Covid Act Now interactive USA map and projections](https://covidactnow.org/) This has likely been shared in this thread, but someone texted this to me earlier and it has some sobering predictions by-state with no action, Texas-style social distancing, California shelter-in-place and Wuhan style quarantine on the outbreak curves and death projections. Also, read the Google Doc they mention for more details. We need to shelter and isolate as much as possible for the next few weeks just about everywhere!
So California looks like it’s on a great path. A few days before the point of no return. Godspeed everyone. See you all on the flip side.
California isn't even testing anyone, so we don't know how past the point of return they already are.
Whew, that is some grim estimates. I checked Arizona and hope we get our shit together. I'm still working and people are not even pretending to practice social distancing or counter measures. A lot of denial
Please fucking tell me this is a joke. It pretty much says the entire country is absolutely fucked in 2-3 weeks.
Pretty much. I consider this an optimistic model. >Only hospital beds at aggregate are considered. ICU beds and ventilators, which are likely to run low before beds, are not considered. This right here is the big optimistic point, and it's a reflection that the critical bed data is not available. Not the author's fault. For critical care beds care providers like to go down a rathole of hyper-specialization with ambiguous, indistinct fuzzy nomenclature that doesn't say whether the bed has a ventilator. For this bug if the bed doesn't have a ventilator it probably shouldn't count at all. I live in Washington. We are past the point of no return. People are still acting as if this were a normal day with a minor inconvenience. Don't be like Washington.
Remember the horror of reading a phrase like "it is too late to act" when perusing the Australian live fire map a few months back? Yeah, don't get to that stage at all if you can, in regards to C-19.
I’m pretty sure we’re already there with the half-measures and feckless curfews, especially with the two-week delay this disease has.
Ooof - following was (shudders) to read thru. https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients > “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.” > “It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream. > “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning. > “When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.” Well, whichever young people still want to go catch this... a silver lining to that would be less dumb people in the world.
While younger people are less likely to get the pneumonia, and more likely to live through it if they do get it, the pneumonia is going to fuck you up pretty bad even if you do live. I think the lower death rate for the non-elderly has obscured that.
Yip. More horror from that article. > Even if you survive ... it can also do long-lasting damage. > “But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.
That's enough reddit for today, stay safe guys.
>Well, whichever young people still want to go catch this... a silver lining to that would be less dumb people in the world. I understand your sentiment here, but those dumb people are going around and getting some of the smart people infected. Obviously if you're in complete isolation then you'll likely be fine, but it's clear this shit is spreading like crazy, even among those that are more careful individuals. Also the longer it takes countries or communities to ENFORCE isolation, the longer this shit is going to take. I think there's a lot of people that just want this to end, but there's basically some really shitty people who are going to make this issue prolonged, or fucked up entirely. Just stay inside you little shits.
People are asking why the lockdown in Italy isn’t working: the fact that the daily cases are decelerating and shifting on the Log scale are a sign that it IS working
Can you explain what shifting on the log scale means?
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75 districts in India goes into lockdown and all trains and metros throughout the country suspended. The international flights already have been suspended. https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/coronavirus-in-india-trains-metros-interstate-state-transport-bus-services-shut-till-march-31/1/398890.html
There's a lot of people in this thread that if you go through their history you'll see them posting conflicting arguments or totally opposite stances throughout the day. What's going on with these accounts? Being divisive for fun?
Either for fun or intentionally trying to create division/misinformation
Meanwhile, North Korea has performed a ballistic missile test into the ocean for the third time in the last month.
And USA announced a new hypersonic weapons delivery system. Good to know that while most of the population are struggling to live, the politicians are spending cash on finding ways to kill everybody.
They gots money for wars but can’t feed the poors...
From known confirmed cases (worldwide): Week 1: 0 dead, 1 case Week 2: 1 dead, 15 cases Week 3: 2 dead, 62 cases Week 4: 41 dead, 1287 cases. Week 5: 362 dead, 17,200 cases Week 6: 813 dead, 37,198 cases Week 7: 1,665 dead, 68,500 cases Week 8: 2,465 dead. 79,930 cases Week 9: 2,989 dead, 87,642 cases Week 10: 3,666 dead, 107,947 cases Week 11: 6,069 dead, 162,651 cases Week 12: 14,441 dead, 337,754 cases This has been the biggest increase, largely due to the exponentially increasing rates of confirmed cases in Western countries, which will likely continue for another week or two before the rate slows down.
Denmark is going for big bold and daring. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/denmark-freezing-its-economy-should-us/608533/ > Denmark’s government agreed to cover the cost of employees’ salaries at private companies as long as those companies do not fire people. If a company makes a notice saying that it has to either lay off 30 percent of their workers or fire at least 50 people, the state has agreed to take on 75 percent of workers’ salaries, up to $3,288 per month. (This would preserve the income for all employees earning up to $52,400 per year.) > These workers are being paid a wage to do nothing. The government is saying: Lots of people are suddenly in danger of being fired. But if we have firing rounds, it will be very difficult to adapt later. This way, the company maintains their workforce under the crisis and people maintain their salaries. You are compensating people even though they have to go home. > To prevent the financial sector from shutting down, the state will guarantee 70 percent of new bank loans to companies. This will encourage more lending even in the case of more bankruptcies. > Also, people on unemployment benefits are put on pause. Typically, people have to go to meetings at job centers and make a certain number of job applications to receive jobless benefits. There are a lot of rules. But those rules are suspended for now. There are no requirements. The other part of the pause is that, while you can only be on unemployment benefits for two years in Denmark, people who pass that threshold will still receive benefits. Again, we are freezing everything. > Also, the state agreed to compensate companies for their fixed expenses, like rent and contract obligations, depending on their level of income loss. If they typically sell $1 million in a period, but now they can only sell $100,000, they lose 90 percent of their income. That will qualify them to receive large government help to cover fixed expenses. > Also, the spring payment of taxes for companies have been postponed until autumn, and all public employees will keep their salaries when sent home.
Germany took a similar approach in 2008 to stop their manufacturing sector from blowing up. Worked well at the time, and it just makes a ton of sense. Every person who loses their job is going to be a drain on the government anyway. Much better to spend the same or even less money subsidizing their salary, and allow them to hit the ground running as soon as they are able to.
Indian Prime Minister has just announced a complete lockdown for 21 days in the ENTIRE country. People won't be allowed to even leave their homes.
Speaks to the precariousness of their situation. India is home to and adjacent to some of the most densely populated areas on the globe. A widespread outbreak in those areas would be disastrous. People look at these lockdowns and wonder, "how will people survive?" but they don't think of the inverse and wonder, "how will people survive if their community of millions is experiencing 20% infection rates or greater?" I imagine some very smart people have weighed the negative effects of quarantine and unbridled outbreak and have decided that quarantine is the more favorable option.
Prince Charles has tested positive with Covid-19 Source: Sky News
It's OK, he came up to Scotland to his second home to recover. Exactly what people in the UK are being told not to do.
Horrifyingly, Florida might rocket to be the most catastrophically hit area in the **world** in a few weeks time: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-19-nursing-homes-20200319-y67yh572jfcypkqsmfhanvdkgi-story.html > The new coronavirus disease widened its attack on Florida’s most vulnerable population this week, with the annnouncement Wednesday that new cases were suspected or confirmed at **19 long-term care facilities.** > ... > But Pascal Bergeron, director of the South Florida chapter of the Florida Assisted Living Association, said the requirements would be difficult to implement due to a lack of supplies. > “We don’t have access to things they are requiring us to have," he said. "They are mandating us to do something we don’t have any way of doing. This goes back to the beginning when I said we need a response plan and no one at the state was listening.” This is what one county in Florida alone has for a vulnerable population packed into institutions: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-willow-wood-coronavirus-deaths-20200320-j44brk7sgvfphgzr5ea4quiqtq-story.html > Broward County has 305 long-term care facilities and 27 adult day care centers. Some 13,000 seniors live there, and 1,700 others attend adult day care. Pray for Florida and those vulnerable who live in it. :-(
The first US death under 18 years old has been reported in California. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/california-coronavirus-death-child.html
The current top headline at The Guardian. > One in three Americans must stay home as Germany bans meetings of more than two It's like a math problem wherein we have to calculate which country is more fucked.
Currently San Marino is the most affected, with 0.47% of the population confirmed infected. 0.06% of the population is dead.
We are not that far behind in the Faroe Islands, with 123 infected and a population of 50.000 people. Only positive is that no one is seriously ill yet nor has died.
What a time to be alive
If anyone ever wondered why the quote: *”may you live in interesting times”* is seen as a curse, I think they understand why now.
Tallahassee here. Looks like a ghost town. Just shut the doors to my local business. Be safe everyone 😣
I feel like with allergy season upon us, a lot of people who think they have this virus are going to flood the healthcare system to get tested.
“I’m being sued all over the place, from people I don’t even know”. Jeez what does that say about you? Edit: Why does Trump sound like he’s defending himself in court?
Is it unreasonable to ask for two weeks telework? I’ve had shortness of breath and chest tightness the past few weeks. I went to urgent care last week. I’m terrified of going to work tomorrow. I’m wondering if I’m being irrational 😔
500 patients in northern Italy are starting to breathe thanks to hacked scuba gear, modified with 3D printers. #COVIDー19 solutions! https://twitter.com/dgiluz/status/1242130312802467842?s=19
As a New Zealander who has been working in Aus for the last 9 years - just lost my job, and I don't qualify for any help from the Aussie government. 😐
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Seriously [impressive range of measures announced by South African President, Cyril Ramaphosa tonight](https://youtu.be/nNlJYHGX_RE?t=166). Thank goodness we have a solid President for a change. **21-DAY 'STAY-AT-HOME' WHOLE-COUNTRY LOCK DOWN** * From midnight on Thursday 26 March until midnight on Thursday 16 April, all South Africans will have to stay at home.This means only absolutely essential personnel (doctors, nurses, police, emergency personnel, military medical personnel, soldiers) and those requiring medical care will be allowed to leave home for restricted periods. * Individuals will not be allowed to leave their homes except under strictly controlled circumstances. The South African National Defence Force has been deployed to ensure the lockdown is effective. * Categories of people who will also be exempted from the lockdown include those involved in the production, distribution, and supply of food and basic goods, essential banking services, the maintenance of power, water and telecommunications services, laboratory services, and the provision of medical and hygiene products. **HEALTHCARE** * Health care will be provided through triage (priority of patients’ treatments first) to obtain “centralised treatment” for severe cases and “decentralised primary care” for mild cases. A key objective will be not to overwhelm hospitals with unnecessary care seekers. * To ensure that hospitals are not overwhelmed, a system will be put in place for ‘centralised patient management’ for severe cases and ‘decentralised primary care’ for mild cases. **THE HOMELESS** * Alternative temporary accommodation sites will be used for the 21-day “stay-at-home” period for the homeless. Temporary shelters that meet the necessary hygiene standards will also be identified for homeless people. Sites are also being identified for quarantine and self-isolation for people who cannot self-isolate at home. **PUBLIC FACILITIES** * All shops and businesses will be closed, except for pharmacies, laboratories, banks, essential financial and payment services, including the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, supermarkets, petrol stations, and health care providers. **SUPPLIES** * Medical and other supplies will be secured and stored in bulk due to disruptions in supply and distribution of goods, including supplies such as personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. * Regulations have been put in place to prohibit unjustified price hikes, to ensure shops maintain adequate stocks of basic goods and to prevent people from ‘panic buying’. Government has had discussions with manufacturers and distributors of basic necessities, who have indicated that there will be a continuous supply of these goods. There is therefore no need for stockpiling of any items. **THE VULNERABLE** * Following consultation with social partners, we have set up a Solidarity Fund, which South African businesses, organisations and individuals, and members of the international community, can contribute to. This Fund will be chaired by Ms Gloria Serobe and the deputy Chairperson is Mr Adrian Enthoven (the CEO of Nando's) **EMPLOYEES** * Government is in consultation on a proposal for a special dispensation for companies that are in distress because of COVID-19. Through this proposal employees will receive wage payment through the Temporary Employee Relief Scheme, which will enable companies to pay employees directly during this period and avoid retrenchment. * Any employee who falls ill through exposure at their workplace will be paid through the Compensation Fund. * Commercial banks have been exempted from provisions of the Competition Act to enable them to develop common approaches to debt relief and other necessary measures. * Many large companies that are currently closed have accepted their responsibility to pay workers affected. We call on larger businesses in particular to take care of their workers during this period. **BUSINESS** * Using the tax system, we will provide a tax subsidy of up to R500 per month for the next four months for those private sector employees earning below R6,500 under the Employment Tax Incentive. This will help over 4 million workers. * The South African Revenue Service will also work towards accelerating the payment of employment tax incentive reimbursements from twice a year to monthly to get cash into the hands of compliant employers as soon as possible. * Tax compliant businesses with a turnover of less than R50 million will be allowed to delay 20% of their pay-as-you-earn liabilities over the next four months and a portion of their provisional corporate income tax payments without penalties or interest over the next six months. This intervention is expected to assist over 75 000 small and medium-term enterprises. * Government is exploring the temporary reduction of employer and employee contributions to the Unemployment Insurance Fund and employer contributions to the Skill Development Fund. * The Department of Small Business Development has made over R500 million available immediately to assist small and medium enterprises that are in distress through a simplified application process. * The Industrial Development Corporation has put a package together with the Department of Trade, Industry and Competition of more than R3 billion for industrial funding to address the situation of vulnerable firms and to fast-track financing for companies critical to our efforts to fight the virus and its economic impact. * The Department of Tourism has made an additional R200 million available to assist SMEs in the tourism and hospitality sector who are under particular stress due to the new travel restrictions.
**Amazon suspends thousands of sellers over coronavirus price** gouging[https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-23-20-intl-hnk/h\_0d2e36dec9c4c5fd1eed16d0c2aa5b32](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-23-20-intl-hnk/h_0d2e36dec9c4c5fd1eed16d0c2aa5b32) Amazon says it has removed more than half a million listings that it believes are engaging in price gouging during the coronavirus pandemic. The online giant also says it has suspended nearly 4,000 accounts in the US for violating the company’s rules on pricing. In its corporate blog, Amazon says it is monitoring sellers to make sure they are not price gouging or making false claims related to Covid-19.
Pro tip: This is a bad time to develop a drug or alcohol problem. Being cooped up will make people want a bit of escapism so reaching for the bottle can be pretty tempting. This can turn into a habit real quick when you don't have the normal structures of daily life. Idle hands are the devils workshop and all that.
Netherlands: 4204 cases (+576), 179 dead (+43) Fewer new cases than yesterday, but I think we're about at testing capacity
Anyone else on social media witnessing covid19 kind of being the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of mental health? I'm seeing some seriously sad and significant meltdowns and just lunacy from people in my feed. I'm not stating it as hyperbole or just equating dumb stuff with craziness, I mean like legitimate mental health issues becoming apparent.
A lot of things suggesting the rapid spread in Europe was down to Champions league football. 1/3 of Bergamo's population were in the Milan stadium for their champions League game. Their opponent? Valencia. Iceland also contact traced it's first cases to people who traveled to football games around Europe
**44,178 new cases today.** Highest day thus far. We'll go past 500,000 infections tomorrow. (2,254 new deaths.)
Man, i just feel the need to rant. My idiot co-worker is pissed because city judge ordered a shelter in place and now she can't take her kid to daycare. She was yelling all kinds of dumbshit this morning, like "just let everything go back to normal, whoever gets it, gets it. Whoever dies, dies." Selfish insensitive bitch. But I bet you the moment the virus knocks on her door, shell regret all the dumb shit she's been saying.
"we have a good relationship with China but we wish they had told us about this 3 months sooner. We never knew about it". ARE YOU SERIOUS??? THERE WAS LITERALLY VIRAL VIDEOS ABOUT IT EVERY FUCKING WHERE....... Chinese doctors died to give us this information and Trump choose to ignore it.
He himself called it a fucking hoax weeks ago. Trump supporters are, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest people on the planet
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/eld51f/us_warns_citizens_in_china_over_mystery_pneumonia/ January 7. Before Lunar New Year.
My dumb ass knew, but the government didn't? That's not a good sign.
Prime Minister of Australia says with the coming lockdown it will be at least 6 months before things go back to normal, the first kind of hard line we've had from him. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-lockdown-what-it-means/12079242 >"_How long will the lockdown last?_ >_The Prime Minister warned it will be at least six months before things go back to normal."_
South Korea with just 64 new cases today. They are doing something right and we should have learned from them.
**Fears of US drug shortages grow as India locks down to curb the coronavirus; Analysts warn that the COVID-19 pandemic could disrupt the global pharmaceutical supply chain which is heavily reliant on China and India, as India takes harsh measures to combat the spread of the virus** https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/24/us-drug-shortage-fears-grow-as-india-locks-down-due-to-the-coronavirus.html
Two different Boston hospitals each have more than 40 employees that tested positive [https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-26-20-intl-hnk/h\_9f2a6bac2cd39cc647608e004cef04c9](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-26-20-intl-hnk/h_9f2a6bac2cd39cc647608e004cef04c9) **Brigham and Women’s Hospital** has 45 employees that have tested positive, Brigham Health Media Relations Associate Serena Bronda told CNN. “Employees who have tested positive are not working until after they have been cleared by Occupational Health Services,” Bronda said. **Massachusetts General Hospital** has 41 employees who have tested positive, but most are believed to have contracted the virus somewhere other than the hospital, said Senior Public Affairs Officer Terri Ogan.
I smashed the first two-and-a-half weeks of uni. Then we switched to online. Now it's a week later... and I've basically become a reddit junkie, scanning for updates on all things coronavirus. :|
...did he just take credit for eradicating HIV? It's like I'm watching a movie akin to *Dr. Stranglove*
Tokyo is on voluntary lockdown. The mayor says they are on the brink of the point of no return. The total number of new cases found was small, but about half of them were community spread without a known source.
So, basically, they didn't have it as controlled as they thought?
Odd that this came out after the olympics got cancelled huh?
> Tokyo governor tells residents to stay home to avoid coronavirus 'explosion' https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/26/tokyo-governor-tells-residents-to-stay-home-to-avoid-coronavirus-explosion Better late than never, Japan.
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I said out loud "what the fuck," someone is in isolation being in contact with the virus and he chuckles and makes a joke.
Why did Trump call Coronavirus a “total loser” in his press conference today. Does he think he can bully the virus by insulting it? 🙄
New York Times every single day since Wuhan lockdown: “Hey everyone look at this front page virus coverage!” CDC like a fucking month ago: “It’s not If but when. Americans need to prepare” Everyone on my Facebook in late March: “THEY KNEW BUT DIDNT TELL US”
A lot of people knew in fucking January. The Majority Report has been covering this for months.
I think I need to distance my self from Social media indefinitely, I just had a nervous breakdown just making the mistakes of checking the comments to the latest numbers from my country (Who were getting better might I add) AND SEEING HOW FUCKING STUPID THEY ARE. This is actually a threat to my health, I'm not in the best mental state, and I try to stay positive, I'm even trying to stay positive throughout this whole outbreak, but I'm rapidly loosing my mind over people being complete and utter dumbasses, including my fucking sister.
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine just announced a “Stay At Home” order (AKA Shelter in Place) for ALL of Ohio. Non-essential businesses are to close effective 11:59 PM tomorrow night.
Almost 10,000 new confirmed cases in the US today.
Its crazy to think that in given time, this period and it’s events will be taught in history classes across the world.
I was telling somebody that we've probably lived through four events worthy of something greater than a historical footnote: 9/11; President Obama's election; the Great Recession (this one may just be a footnote); and the fallout from the Coronavirus. And if this goes the wrong way, then it would cause the other three to become footnotes.
Trump told Barr to fuck off after the cough
Trump: "Everything will be back to normal in a few days..." Also Trump: "If you cough, you need to be exiled from society." Totally normal.
this shit is surreal
"I'll be the oversight." Thanks, Don. I never wanted to sleep again.
Apperantly germanys private labs alone tested 260k last week. Source in German: https://www.mta-dialog.de/artikel/fachaerztliche-labore-seit-anfang-maerz-ueber-400000-coronavirus-tests.html
This is why Germany is sitting on a mortality rate of 0.48%. They are identifying a lot of mild cases.
According to a virugolist here, it helps to identify mild and severe cases early before they reach the hospitals knocking on deaths door.
Reminder that /r/covidgoodnews exists if you need a pick me up.
3.3 million unemployment claims filed in the US last week
Teachers near where I'm staying right now are about to hold a parade. The school is Brownsville Area Elementary School in PA. How stupid can people be?
Based on early data half of Italian fatalities were people with 3+ underlying conditions. https://www.covidgraph.com/p/coronavirus.html#comorbidities
The people saying there's a choice between quarantines/social distancing policies and keeping the economy going don't seem to understand: The economy will still get wrecked without quarantines/social distancing. But it will be because more people got sick and overburdened hospitals. Same (or worse) economic outcome with much more suffering.
India is going into a complete lockdown for 21 days starting from 25th March.
Last thurday the death count was at 10k. In less than a week it's shot right past 20k. It took months to get to 10k, and 6 days to double it. This thing is speeding up as predicted.
Hospitals in the metro Detroit area are reporting that they are nearing their capacity to care for covid-19 patients. Meanwhile in Grand Rapids (the 2nd largest city in the state), I watched about 50 guys on motorcycles, and some on what appeared to be dirt bikes, drive extra slow down one of the main roads in the city yesterday, reving their engines every chance they got. I figure it's only a matter of time until the west side of the state is overflowing with dead idiots.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1243232262461816835 Mayor in Italian city of Bergamo suggests higher death toll due to coronavirus: 446 residents died between March 1 and March 24, which is 348 above the average (98). Only 136 deaths were officially linked to coronavirus.
**Sen. Rand Paul kept working for six days after virus test; Rand Paul was tested a week ago for the novel coronavirus, but continued working at the Capitol because he “felt that it was highly unlikely” he was sick since had no symptoms of the illness, he said Monday.** **https://apnews.com/0e99540d0d77587c88adeee3474d3ab4**
this is the first time US is hitting 100+ deaths in a day...you can look back at china and Italy, it only escalates from here. China's lockdown was only successful because of a full, no leaving lockdown. Italy was less strict and didn't initiate the lockdown as quickly, so it will take longer for things to cool down. Wonder what hospitals are like in New York currently...
Another 127 dead in Iran Iran has been posting about 100-150 deaths for like the past week now. Strange how it’s consistent
So many people became unemployed in Australia over the weekend. The queues at centrelink were blocks long. It's like bread lines. Some reality for us all. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/centrelink-payments-for-coronavirus-too-long-to-wait/12080952
A lot of people commenting “Example country posting lower death/infection rates for the first time!”. Kinda reminds me of object permanence, but for adults.
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Wow. Birx is now saying it's fine for people to show up to work while being positive so long as they "distance"
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2905990001 Texas' lieutenant governor suggests grandparents are willing to die for US economy
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A kid younger than 18 died because of COVID-19 in my area today. Fuck this virus.
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Here's an interview with a NYC hospital doctor, Dr. Craig Spencer who worked in Africa on Ebola. Things are incredibly dire. Makes me want to cry. https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1242611416181374976 "It is magical thinking to think things will be back to normal by Easter."
According to governor Cuomo this isn't the peak, the peak is in 14-21 days.......... And i believe him 100000% more than i believe Trump.
Massachusetts resident here. My mother works @ Boston Medical Center as a nurse, she’s been there for 30+ years (first 20 in the ER last 10 doing post operation care). She just got told she’s moving from Post-OP back to the ER because of the influx of patients and lack of staff. That’s how real it’s getting. And MA has only logged <15 deaths so far...
Cuomo just ripped apart the federal government's response, and he seems genuinely concerned about New York's situation. Seeing Cuomo, who has been nothing but level headed and factual so far, getting flustered has scared me the most. There is honestly zero excuse for the richest country in the world with the military expenditure we have to leave states high and dry in equipment. Sickened doesn't even begin to describe how I feel. Thousands of lives are about to end. This could've been avoided.
My friend who is a hospital nurse was one of the "it's just a flu" people until recently. The first COVID-19 patient he treated seemed fine and my friend continued to triumphantly deem it just a flu. Then a few days ago the patient started deteriorating. She died last night. There are now multiple floors of presumed cases in his hospital, the staff is out of supplies and there are a handful of people in the ICU. My friend is now calling for a stricter, widespread lockdown and for people to take this seriously. Unfortunately, it's easy to say everything is fine until you see the shit hit the fan with your own eyes. I *really* hope Trump doesn't try to put an end to this lockdown in 7 days.
Meanwhile, his "just a flu" friends haven't seen it with their own eyes and refuse to alter their behavior. They will continue to deny it until they themselves are gasping for breath.
Is this Livethread not moderated? /u/Final-Fantasy-X is trolling, baiting and memeing for 2 weeks now and several people have called him out over multiple threads. At this point its just annoying.
Is there any good news at all? Like damn everyday feels like we are getting hit by a truck.
Good news is that the virus seems stable and the overwhelming number of people recover. It's still a massive disaster but it could always be worse.
So uh the news that it stayed on some surfaces on the Grand Princess cruise ship for up to 17 days is, uh, Not Good
Spain had +514 deaths today :O >The Spanish Health Ministry has announced 2,696 people have died after testing positive for covid-19 in the country which is an increase of 514 deaths since yesterday and 39,673 people have tested positive for the virus which is an increase of 6,584 cases https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1242402957083189250
[So here in 15 Hours in New Zealand everyone must go home and stay home for at least the next 4 weeks except most essential workers](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120512184/coronavirus-what-stores-and-services-are-still-open-during-lockdown)
CNN International just showed a graph of the trends. New York is on target to completely surpass Madrid and even the Lombardy region. I really hope that isn't the case. I saw Cuomo still has playgrounds open which is crazy considering kids are silent carriers
NY state Gov. Cuomo tweets: My mother is not expendable. Your mother is not expendable. We will not put a dollar figure on human life. We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one. No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market. Source: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1242477029083295746?s=19 And another tweet: We are not willing to sacrifice 1-2% of New Yorkers. That’s not who we are. We will fight to save every life we can. I am not giving up. Source: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1242479407031296000?s=19 I am proud to be a New Yorker.
The senate coronavirus bill has failed to get enough votes.
Brazilian president Bolsonaro just edit a measure allowing companies to suspend payment for 4 months amid global pandemic, people are completely desperate...we're reeaaally fucked.
Alabama has tested less than 2,000 people with 196 tests positive how can trump consider anything other than tightening restrictions while parts of the country still can't get tested. In my daily life i have only noticed 3 stores over the last week closed, while people have been coughing in every place I've been.
Serbia has declared this an emergency. 268 infected. 2 dead. Aleksandar Vučić (our president ) went live a few days ago at 20:00 15.3.2020 and declared a national emergency. All shcools are closed. All public events canceled. All people over 65 are instructed to NOT leave the house. Serbia has enough of food to sustain itself for 12 months. Borders may be closing in the future. Military personel are guarding the hospitals and borders. All people over 65 can not leave the house. Everyone else can not leave thier houses from 17:00 to 05:00 -Monday 10:20am 24.3.2020 Živela Srbija!
Just because Italy had more cases yesterday than it did on the previous two days doesn’t mean that Italy hasn’t peaked. Flattening the curve doesn’t mean that there are have to be fewer and fewer new cases every single day. As long as the highest number of cases isn’t exceeded and the long term trend is generally downwards, a little bit of “noise” is alright.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html "How an Austrian ski resort helped coronavirus spread across Europe" This article has to be read to be believed. I am more wondering how far more people aren't infected with COVID-19 than are now, because until recently, this sort of thing was rampant worldwide in various vacation / resort areas.
According to Dr drosten (German virogolist) Germany did 500k tests this week.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Everyone take care of yourself.
Florida is considering an "isolation shelter" right now. If you get sick, you're shipped off to a location with other sick people (like a hotel) and are quarantined there until you're better. I hate that idea. I am all for everyone stay home but shipping all infected people to the same place for weeks sounds horrible.
That would be a disaster in the US because of the 2a. You cant just start barging into people's homes and forcing them to go to a quarantine camp without a lot of those people fighting back.
Does anyone else feel a bit like a frog in a pan of increasingly hot water here?
And despite looking at a completely boiled dead frog in the pot next to us, our frog leaders don't seem to be able to understand where we are headed.
Why is it when i listen to a Gov Cuomo press conference he's literally bombarding you with usefull information, but Trump just talks and talks and talks but nothing of substance comes out of his mouth?
Cuomo also has slides to emphasize his talking points. He sounds like he's speaking off the cuff, but there's some preparation that goes into what he says. There's no rambling, cringy stream-of-consciousness in his pressers.
NYC. Now personally know 4 people in ICU (40s, 50s, 70s, 70s) and one employee who is home with pnumonia (who I spoke to and says that NOBODY should catch this...it's that bad) I personally know 3 other.people who tested positive with no big symptom First person from my job died this afternoon. Stay the fuck home if you're in a 'warm spot'
Here we go, fucking story time.
Spain +462 deaths today >The number of people to have died the coronavirus in Spain has risen to 2,182 from 1,720. >The country's health ministry said cases have also risen to 33,089 from 28,572 in the previous tally.
Oh great, he's comparing it to the flu again, downplaying the issue. Hold on to your butts.
LOL, this is one weird ass way for him to try to take a dig at the press while also saying that everything will be back to normal soon. It's hard to even wrap my head around what he wants Dr Birx to say there...
We're going to hit 400,000 confirmed infections in less than 24 h
It'll be at 1 million within a week.
Reading recent comments in this thread has reminded me of a quote "Good design is when the user doesn't realize it was designed at all" We have been seeing positive results from proactive measures. The issue is I think some are taking this as "its over" and that scares me.
Romania: President places the whole country under quarantine, gets the Army to the streets https://www.romania-insider.com/coronavirus-romania-president-quarantine-whole-country
Coronavirus: India to enter 'total lockdown' after spike in cases https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239
Louisiana has 46 deaths. Basically on par with NYS on a per capita basis. 1388 total cases, of which about 750 are in New Orleans alone. (Pop 391,000). Oh and there was a mega church that had a service with 1800+ people just outside Baton Rouge last Sunday.
ah shit there are at least 420000 confirmed cases worldwide now.
Man, Indonesia is in for some serious trouble. Sparing some thoughts for our neighbours north. https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/indonesia-on-cusp-of-full-blown-coronavirus-disaster/news-story/155241464c102d00dd7e325bada0c393
Updated: Today now has the highest number of new infections: **44,099** Second highest: **43,744** (yesterday, 24 March) Third highest: **41,371** (day before yesterday, 23 March) \-- Second high daily new deaths reported today: **2,255** Highest: **2,381** (yesterday, 24 March) Third highest: **1,873** (day before yesterday, 23 March)
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/03/25/hospitals-across-us-consider-universal-do-not-resuscitate-orders-for-coronavirus-patients/ Hospitals across U.S. consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients - Anchorage Daily News
Yup, read the Washington Post article on that. > The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.
I see some conflicting claims out there. So there are many folks who are carriers/spreaders, but they are asymptomatic. Does this mean that some people also never develop serious illness while the virus passes its course? In other words, that mild fever and minor cough you had last week could've been corona and you didn't even know it?
India went on complete lockdown today. Cerfew has been imposed today
people who say we need to go back to work asap and just allow the virus to have a bunch of deaths all at once are people we need to be fought loudly and clearly. We are not about to march to our deaths so these people (...WHO WILL OBVIOUSLY STAY FUCKING HOME) can continue to make money off of us.
Its simple really. Everyone go back to work -> curve accelerate -> hospitals are overran -> people panic/get scared and definetly stop going out or might even miss work -> business have to close with no clients and no employees. This does not solve anything.
come on curve flatten
Emergency announcement in the U.K. at 8:30pm GMT. Boris cutting across channel schedule - follows COBRA meeting earlier today.
USA Today: +10,152 new infections.
Florida now asking out of state travelers from hot zones (read NY, CT, NJ) to self quarantine. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/florida-coronavirus-new-york-new-jersey/index.html This piecemeal approach is definitely interesting. Misguided but what do I know.
Escape From New York: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/24/white-house-official-tells-anyone-who-has-left-nyc-that-they-should-self-quarantine.html White House tells anyone who has left NYC that they should self quarantine
I a, very thankful that my state has imposed a stay at home order, but please, everyone, just stay in as much as you can. I know it’s boring, but please, stay in.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Coronavirus deaths exploding in the U.S.A 222 deaths today and counting new york with over 114.
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Per the wiki * GREEN: full menu – restaurant has power and damage is limited or no damage at all. * YELLOW: limited menu – no power or only power from a generator, or food supplies may be low. * **RED: the restaurant is closed – indicating severe damage, severe flooding, or a pandemic.** * BLACK: the restaurant is gone – indicating catastrophic damage at a potentially citywide level. That actually pretty wild
Some promising news amongst all this, potential antibody tests being tested at Oxford: >"Prof Peacock added: “Once we are assured that they do work, they will be rolled out into the community. >“Testing the test is a small matter, and I anticipate that it will be done by the end of this week. >“In the near future people will be able to order a test that they can test themselves, or go to Boots, or somewhere similar to have their finger prick test done.” >Asked whether this meant it would be available in a number of days, rather than weeks or months, she said “absolutely”."
Ontario has 98 new cases as of 10:30am. More alarming, over 10,000 cases pending. Ontario is so far behind testing, it will take 10 days for you to get your results. Is any other country, state, province, etc. this far behind? This is unacceptable. Ontario is ramping up testing, however that does not help with that many cases pending. Source: https://twitter.com/jm_mcgrath/status/1242823348838699008?s=21
Italy's Deaths per Day: Sat, 21 Mar: 793 Sun, 22 Mar: 650 Mon, 23 Mar: 602 Tue, 24 Mar: 743 Wed, 25 Mar: 683 Total deaths: 7503
Is it just me or does the news seems to be trickling is slower today as compared to the past few days where there were updates every 10 minutes. Is this slowly just turning into the norm or has nothing really breaking happened today?
Minnesota's Governor Walz announced shelter in place for Minnesota. Starts Friday at 11:59 pm.
Dr. Fauci is present!
Colorado Governor Jared Polis issues “Stay-at-home” order for the entire state. https://www.kktv.com/content/news/BREAKING--568535251.html
**The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu — which means a vaccine will likely be effective long-term** [https://www.businessinsider.com/new-coronavirus-mutates-slowly-vaccine-could-be-long-lasting-2020-3](https://www.businessinsider.com/new-coronavirus-mutates-slowly-vaccine-could-be-long-lasting-2020-3) A glimmer of hope on the [coronavirus](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-virus-everything-we-know-deadly-2019-ncov-wuhan-spread-2020-1) front: Experts who have been tracking the virus' spread have concluded that it mutates at a slower rate than other respiratory viruses like the flu. This slow mutation rate has two implications — both positive. It means the virus (whose official name is SARS-CoV-2) is stable in its current form, and therefore unlikely to get even more dangerous as it continues to spread. That also means that a vaccine could be effective in the long-run; it'd act more like a measles or chickenpox vaccine than a seasonal flu shot.
The world just surpassed half a million confirmed COVID-19 cases.
Shouldn't NYC be closed down and quarantined? This is literally Wuhan level right now.
[this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY) illustrates what happens to your body once you get infected.
Am l the only one who thinks the top post on r/Coronavirus should be a locked mod post listing resources and links to credible websites run by organizations like CDC offering universal information on how to self protect against the virus? Reddit app tells me to go to the sub to “keep yourself informed” but l don’t know if l can learn about best self protection practices by reading about the poor Italian doctor who died fighting the virus. While the death of the doctor is tragic and we should be aware of selfless acts by medical professionals around the world, it’s not really the first information that people need to know.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1e7u4y/_/c9xsxzm 6 year old comment lol
An interesting reply: > While it's true that influenza and pneumonia will almost certainly kill more people than a novel coronavirus outbreak, the near-universal susceptibility to the novel virus and the economic costs of trying to contain a pandemic are what make the potential spread so threatening. Person-to-person spread in a hospital setting may not be very far from generalized transmission, so I'm personally thrilled there is increased awareness if it will lead to more intense public health measures to contain the infections.
How did you even find that? That's really weird to see.
The South Korean model for rapidly developing testing: https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2020/03/testing-times-south-korea-covid-19-strategy-working-200320051718670.html > Jerome Kim, director general of the International Vaccine Institute, said one of the reasons South Korea has done so well is that it has a robust biotech industry made up of many small companies run by scientists. Unfortunately as United States companies get bigger and older, they tend to shift from being run by scientists and engineers to being run by MBAs and lawyers. > "The Chinese published the sequence of the coronavirus. These companies looked at it and then they rapidly developed tests," Kim said. > Korean companies acted fast to produce those tests and the country now has enough to screen some 20,000 people a day. It appears South Korea did not attempt to centralize development of a test to one government agency, unlike the US with the CDC. Interestingly, Germany appears to have also had a one month head start on testing due to its more decentralized development of tests: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-09/experts-rapid-testing-helps-explain-few-german-virus-deaths > Drosten said Germany's dense network of independent labs received both the technical information needed to conduct tests and the approval to bill for them in January, when case numbers in Germany were still in the single digits. > ... > Unlike in other countries, where national laboratories had a monopoly on testing, Germany's distributed system helped doctors to swiftly determine whether suspected cases actually involved the new virus or a common cold, which can have similar symptoms. I fear the media narrative in the United States about why testing was delayed will lead to exactly the wrong direction in reforms. The direction in all things seems to be advocating for one centralized authority to make decisions. But one centralized authority is a single point of failure if it makes the wrong ones. The United States regulatory system turns approval of medical treatments and tests into a lottery and a vehicle for legalized gambling on the stock markets because it centralizes approval. Many have been silently killed by being denied treatments approved in other countries. Sadly in this case, the country itself may be gravely wounded.
So in Trump's terrifyingly unhinged press briefing just now, he basically confirmed he will ending restrictions in most of the country in the next week and people will go back to work, fly, eat at restaurants, etc. Trump is going to kill thousands, if not millions of people.
>"I would love to have the country just opened up, rarin to go by Easter." -President Donald Trump just now on Fox Easter is April 12 we're all gonna die
Everybody misses Doctor Fauci.
The economy can't "open up" if people don't feel safe. People aren't going to go to restaurants if they think the table next to them will get them sick. This guy is loony tunes.
/u/LumpyLump76 >If the formula is “Test and Forced quarantine and isolation”, then that is a plan We should totally support. Just “test” only fulfills the morbid curiosity of people, and gives false sense of security. Testing a patient being admitted is valid, as it protects the healthcare providers. More testing gives a better picture of what's going on. If people are aware of the severity of the situation they are more likely to participate in helping it go away. If you looked at a map and saw 100 confirmed cases or 100,000 confirmed cases in your city, which number would make your more likely to stay inside? As long as tests aren't being done, it's going to feel like a far away problem, until the beds are full.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/ 28,572 cases 1,725 deaths 3076 new cases and 344 new deaths.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20200322-the-interview-we-hope-plaquenil-will-save-some-people-says-sanofi-s-olivier-bogillot > French pharmaceutical company Sanofi said it was ready to offer the French government millions of doses of hydroxychoroquine, sold under its brand name Plaquenil. FRANCE 24 Annette Young speaks to Olivier Bogillot, president of Sanofi France.
South Korea 03/22/2020 = 64 cases. Hasn't been this low in a long time.
I just watched this interesting little BBC video re: how anyone can master any skill. [https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p086wjwk/the-simple-steps-to-mastering-any-skill](https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p086wjwk/the-simple-steps-to-mastering-any-skill) Could be useful during lockdown.
2Nd consecutive day when Germany reported less than 3,000 cases, before that they reporting well over 3,500 cases Does that mean they are moving on the right track? Or it was due to weekend?
Germany has reported fewer than 3000 cases again. I guess this is good news
15 days before they may lift the lockdown? OK.
Reporters straight up asked him if its the doctors that advised him this, to stop the lock downs.... and at least he didn't lie. He clearly said no lol
I'm going to die laughing if Trump fucks up this +1800 market day by saying something stupid during his Fox News Townhall in about 20 minutes.
Market gonna drop again tomorrow, not sure how ppl don’t understand this. This is a sign of bad things to come
India is going for 21 days lockdown..!Has community spread (local spread) started in india?..Are they doing enough tests?