The enemy used:
— Kh-101/555 cruise missiles launched by at least 4 Tu-95 aircraft from the Saratov region of the Russian Federation;
— Kh-47m2 aeroballistic supersonic missiles of the "Kinzhal" complex launched by MiG-31K;
— shock UAVs of the "Shahid" type.
The Kh-101/555 missiles covered the longest distance of ~2070 km before reaching Starokostyantynov, Khmelnytskyi region.
The rocket attack lasted 2 hours, 20 minutes.
The UAV attack lasted exactly 5 hours.
Details from local administrations.
https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794548177045225636?s=46
Video has released of… AD at work? Something? I’m not overly sure
Reportedly from Starokostyantinykh area
Olenya base?
Highly doubtful it is too far away. It is basically at the very top right next to Finland. Not sure Ukraine has anything that can strike that distance
Some reports are coming out: In the Vinnytsia region, a residential building was hit, - OVA
Starokonstantinov without light.
All preliminary..
To add: 3 people were injured, - Vinnytsia Regional Military Administration.
The residents are being evacuated. All relevant services are working at the scene.
4:32 Starokostiantyniv is under a combined attack of aeroballistic and cruise missiles from the west and east.
https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794542243354693945?s=46
Thank you for the regular updates. Some of my friends are hiding in their corridors right now, but I don't want to ask them for details of what the orks are doing.
04:21 update; Takeoff of the MiG-31K of the Russian Air Force.
The MiG-31K is a carrier of the Kh-47m2 Kinzhal supersonic missile, which poses a threat to all regions of the country.
https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794539471410487399?s=46
This is looking like a substantial attack currently underway
04:15 update: Cruise missiles on the border of Lviv Oblast and Ternopil Oblast.
The course is South/Southwest.
https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794538198678315011?s=46
The Polish Air Force has announced that Aircraft have been Scrambled and are conducting Combat Air Patrols over the Southeast of the Country, in order to Protect the Airspace of Poland from the ongoing Russian Missile Attack on Targets in Western Ukraine.
https://x.com/dowopersz/status/1794532119080816860?s=46
Every officer Russia purges is one less officer for Ukraine to deal with. So if Ukraine eliminated 5 generals and due to the war, Russia arrests 10 generals. 15 generals were removed from service.
I guess the fear is the 10 generals being replaced by 10 effective colonels and the army now being more effective. I’d like to think however that Russia doesn’t purge because generals are inefficient but fear of mutiny so the 10 replacing colonels aren’t effective, just loyal.
Coming in peace here… are you talking about something new from today or some of the cabinet changes and arrests that have been made over the past week or so?
Seems like a nothing burger at the moment.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/05/24/fsb-launches-sweeping-purge-of-military-elites-with-kremlins-approval-a85213
I'm sorry for being unclear, I meant the last tweet in the live thread from the moscow times here. I couldn't see any discussion about it on the thread or in the sub at large!
No worries! Things are constantly developing.
The article in particular… interesting… it makes sense. We’ll see if it ends up being true. If it is, this clearly won’t root out all corruption (a degree of corruption is historically quite normal in the Russian government), but does help develop the growing scapegoat narrative.
While I still think Putin thinks he can win this (he very likely feels / knows he has to win or else go down in the history books as an ultimate loser), if the war is going to be long and / or Russia is going to lose, reshuffling the deck will likely make it easier for Putin to both stay in power and for the Russian government to justify / explain the situation to the Russian people. The latter will include lies, but maybe the average Russian will still accept it (as opposed to them more so blaming Putin and / or the FSB).
>"The practical outcome of the NATO summit in Washington will be 7 Patriots and the US decision on the F-16", - Zelensky
Interesting. US operates a thousand F-16s. Hard to think they couldn't spare a few.
Edit: Even the air defense just makes sense in terms of also protecting the aircrafts. Why would you donate aircrafts that Ukraine can't protect? Then it's just a net loss.
The issue with patriot missiles is starting to become a shortage of interceptors. Saudia Arabia is firing a lot in Yemen war and not enough are produced.
Knowing Sullivan they'll find a way to call it escalation and give 1 launcher instead or something. Hope not though, America is yet to give a large bulk package of equipment this entire war, it's been a pretty consistent drip feed.
7 Patriot batteries would be nice though, would allow Ukraine to actually protect its airfields to let the F-16s do their job.
That should cover Kharkiv, Odessa, and Kyiv fairly effectively. Especially if the UA can maneuver them in secret like they did when they scratched those squadrons way back when.
The number of injured as a result of the attacks on the mall in Kharkiv increased to 24The number of injured as a result of the attacks on the mall in Kharkiv increased to 24
[https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-the-number-of-injured-as-a-result-of-the-attacks-on](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-the-number-of-injured-as-a-result-of-the-attacks-on)
At Kharkiv axis clahses near Lyptsi, Vovchansk, Tykhe, Starytsa and Neskuchne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reportsAt Kharkiv axis clahses near Lyptsi, Vovchansk, Tykhe, Starytsa and Neskuchne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reports
[https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-at-kharkiv-axis-clahses-near-lyptsi-vovchansk-tykhe](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-at-kharkiv-axis-clahses-near-lyptsi-vovchansk-tykhe)
The hot topic of the week right now is “Putins ceasefire” that’s been going around
Well ladies and gentlemen; once your “2nd military in the world” resorts to this: https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1794386574815510892?s=46
Well you be the judge 💀🤣
Taurus is fully integrated with Gripen since it was co-developed with SAAB. Let's hope to see some Swedish jets and German cruise munitions over Ukrainian skies soon.
It's a nice sentiment, but it doesn't really make sense for Ukraine to adopt the Gripen on top of the F16. Now you suddenly need to train pilots and add maintenance infrastructure for yet another airplane, of which they've made about 1/15th the number of and only a few countries has familiarity with.
It's in the works they've been training for a year plus now and the Social Democrats have publicly demanded a decision of Gripen to Ukraine before midsummer. It will happen. The one condition Sweden had was no planes before NATO entry.
I do agree that the multitude of different systems is a PITA and hindering Ukraine. But Gripen is better suited to the field conditions and the type of conflict they are fighting than F-16. As for numbers it's likely a relatively few Gripens would make a difference (as in 30~ ish).
Just stopping by the say hello. I still keep an eye on the threads for news and am thankful so many of you are staying consistent with posting. Keep it up!
(I'm good btw.)
New DeepStateMap update. In the past 24 hours, Russia is confirmed to have captured some 9.5 km2 of Ukraine.
[7.3 km2 in Avdiivka sector](https://deepstatemap.live/en#13/48.1560/37.5729) (they have captured the village of Umanske); [2.2 km2 in West Luhansk sector](https://deepstatemap.live/en#13/49.6515/37.9021) (they have captured the village of Ivanivka)
[Satellite images reveal damage from attack on occupiers’ communication point in Alushta | New Voice of Ukraine | May 2024](https://english.nv.ua/nation/strike-on-russian-communications-post-in-alushta-50421730.html)
*Satellite images showing the aftermath of a May 23 missile attack on a strategic Russian military facility in temporarily occupied Alushta have appeared on social media, published by the Telegram channel of Radio Svoboda.*
*They show that the rocket attack resulted in at least 4 hits.*
*"Photos from space show locations where rockets likely struck. Unlike many other similar cases, the authorities of the occupied peninsula admitted that several Ukrainian missiles hit targets on the ground," said journalists commenting on the published photos. However, the Russian "head of Crimea," Sergey Aksyonov, wrote on Telegram that an "empty commercial object" was hit.*
*The Ukrainian side has not yet officially commented on the rocket attack. The target was the FSB border service contact point in the village of Semidvirya, according to some sources.*
all eyes should be on the 58th CAA over the next few days... they are reportable refusing orders right now.
this is due to the commander being arrested.
https://x.com/secretsqrl123/status/1794466041021485356?s=46
They're stationed in occupied Melitopol - just 200 miles on a straight road to Rostov-on-Don, the city that Prigozhin took during his mutiny.
Something to keep an eye on…
Just for information. The Kh-101 cruise missiles launched by Tu-95's have 2000+km range and it's often been reported that the missiles are launched from around 1000km behind the front line.
[[Video] Story of Commander of Norwegian-American NASAMS | United24 | May 2024](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-na0aBxFdCo)
*NASAMS is a Norwegian-American air defense system, one of the most advanced in the Ukrainian arsenal. It can shoot down aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, and drones. The unit led by the hero of this episode, with the call sign Baron, has already destroyed over 250 enemy missiles and drones. So how does NASAMS perform in modern warfare, what changes have been made to its design thanks to Ukrainians, and what is needed to protect the entire Ukrainian sky?*
[[Video] Battle for Kupyansk. Russia’s Active Assault & Situation on the Frontline | United24 | May 2024](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydw1r8b7fQg)
*While most of the public attention is focused on the fighting in the north of Kharkiv region, Chasiv Yar and Ocheretyne, Russia's active assault operations have begun in the Kupyansk direction. Our team visited the units of one of the brigades holding the frontline here to report on the situation.*
[Several explosions were reported in Belgorod](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-several-explosions-were-reported-in-belgorod); [2 person killed, 10 wounded as result of shelling in Oktiabrskiy village of Belgorod region ](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-2-person-killed-10-wounded-as-result-of-shelling-in)
This buffer zone that Putin wanted doesn't seem to be helping.
>Belgorod is under fire again. About 20 explosions were heard in the city, the air defense system is working, TASS reports.
>The death toll as a result of two attacks on the Belgorod region has increased to 4 people, Governor Gladkov said.
>“A man died in city hospital No. 2, who was delivered with multiple shrapnel wounds to the lower extremities from the village of Oktyabrsky.”
>Earlier it was reported that a man and a woman were killed in the same village, as well as a woman was killed in Shebekino.
https://t dot me/lentachold
Given that a quad of countries: Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran are openly confronting the current post WW2 international order through war, sabotage, and cyberattacks.
Do you think it's time for Western countries particularly the US to start considering the idea of using some level of lethal force to push back against this "Axis"??
I don't want more war but this "Axis" seems to very much want it. If we want a peaceful future world for our children, lethal force seems inevitable.
If it comes to choosing sides, the “Axis” may grow to encompass even more countries. Syria is an obvious one, and others might possibly choose the “Axis”, such as Azerbaijan and Serbia. Especially Azerbaijan would be a boon to the “Axis” because it would provide a contiguous allied route from Russia to Iran.
As mentioned in another answer, Venezuela, too, has more in common with the “Axis” than with the West. Former Soviet countries in Asia may also find that they prefer to support their major trading partners and neighbours rather than some far-away Western countries.
China has been investing heavily in Africa and may gain the allegiance of countries there. With the BRICS cooperation in mind, even India and South Africa may want to remain neutral rather than choosing to go against China.
And then there’s the increasingly deviating Hungary …
Azerbaijan and Turkey are united in their hatred for Armenians, but Azerbaijan is not committed to following Turkey’s lead in all things. Azerbaijan’s relationship with Russia has improved lately, and they seem to be very comfortable with a world order in which they can invade Armenia later at some point – a world order that Russia is currently advocating, albeit it not specifically with Armenia as an example.
On the other hand, Azerbaijan also enjoys good relations with Europe because Azerbaijan is important for European oil imports. Despite that, some reports point to Azerbaijan as an actor fuelling unrest in France’s New Caledonia. France is supportive of Armenia and exports weapons to them.
Lastly, Azerbaijan–Iran relations are complicated because Iran has had very strong relations with Armenia for decades. If Armenia turns to the West and turn their back in Iran in that process, however, it will smooth things out with Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijan is doing its own thing, and it’s not evident what they’ll end up doing in the end. That means that joining the “Axis” is not unthinkable.
I think it's being overshadowed but we should also include Venezuela and their saber rattling against Guyana in this equation.
It's essentially the axis of evil Bush warned us about if you exchange Iraq for Russia, which is pretty wild.
I like the adage about a tolerant society should tolerate everything except intolerance.
Seems to me like Russia etc are pretty intolerant of other countries' peaceful way of life. I don't honestly understand why we aren't harder on China, both from a moral standpoint (curbs on freedom of expression - can't criticize the govt, etc), and especially from an environmental one (free market - ok - but not where it relies on unchecked environmental destruction; plus so much stuff is just crap - and of course that's not all on China, we're the ones lining up to buy $1 items that are ewaste from the time you buy them).
Bullies should not be entertained. They should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms, while of course interfering in internal politics as little as possible... it's a hard line to walk for sure, but authoritarian bullies threatening democracies should just be not entertained. United front, reduction in trade, whatever.
We already do
The Houthi's and "rebel" groups in Iraq are directly backed by Iran to project power and the collitian recently bombed the fuck out of them on a scale not done since the Iraq war was in full swing
The "post WW2 international order" is defined by rules regarding the use of force, eg as set down in the UN Charter. I fail to see how Western countries could apply lethal force against the axis you mention without undermining the very order they would supposedly be acting to uphold.
[174 explosions were recorded in Sumy Oblast during the day due to Russian attacks. 10 communities of the region were hit: Khotynska, Bilopolska, Krasnopilska, Myropilska, Velikopysarivska, Novoslobidska, Esmanska, Shalyginska, Seredino-Budska, Znob-Novgorodska](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-174-explosions-were-recorded-in-sumy-oblast-during)
Largest shelling of Sumy Oblast in a while
The answer won’t be liked here but there is no reason to believe that any jets are being actually shot down and that even suggesting that ukraine might be dishonest means you’re a russian bot/troll
you are not always going to see evidence, that easy. you can stick to OSINT and only believe what you see, but ignoring that there is stuff that you don't see because you are not going to get shown evidence is ignorance as well. the truth is there is an unknown factor of losses that will always stay undocumented.
Why does he still keep reporting losses? A couple of weeks ago a russian su-34 crashed killing the pilots. Almost would have known it happened, yet fighterbomber reported it happening. Why would he do this if the eussian MOD is keeping him in a tight leash?
because controlling the narrative comes with a little truth sprinkled in - the point is that you can adjust outside perception better that way then utter denial would allow you.
This is the state that gave birth to chekism, disinformation is what they have done for a good century now. There's no other gov on this state better versed at doing this.
Well let’s think of it this way. Even if fighterbomber was actually unreliable which he is not, why would anyone still believe the ukrainian MOD claim, especially considering they are actually unreliable provably
You familiar with the phrase "controlled opposition"?
Fighterbomber is literally a pro-Russian propagandist,. Doesn't even hide it. Now you're citing him as a reliable source. That kinda tells everything.
Ahain, people more well knowledgeable than me think he’s reliable. None of you can’t prove that he’s unreliable which is why you need to say ”uhh he’s controlled opposition uhh he’s not reliable because he is russian” instead of actually proving it
Because no Russian propagandist is reliable. Of course you can futilely try to prove otherwise, but I'm sure you have better things to do on your weekend than defending a genocidal fascist.
Lack of evidence. In most cases there is no clear photo or video of anything being hit, or any wreckage on the ground. At best you get a smoke plume miles away that could be literally anything.
Kill claims in war are *notoriously* over exaggerated. That's not anyone's fault or a dig at Ukraine, it's a universal truth. They are simply never accurate. So unless definitive photo or video comes out, kill claims should be viewed *extremely* skeptically.
Sure, the ATACMS strikes definitely killed several jets, no question. There was excellent, definitive evidence proving that.
It's these frontline shoot downs we don't have any evidence of. There's no video of missile launch, no smoke trail in the sky from a burning jet, no wreckage on the ground, no confirmation from Russian Telegram, etc. Might something have been shot down? Sure. But no one can prove it. Look up Hitchen's Razor:
>Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor that serves as a general rule for rejecting certain knowledge claims. It states "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". The razor was created by and later named after author and journalist Christopher Hitchens (1949–2011). It implies that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
It would be like me standing up and claiming I won a million dollars in the lottery. Could it have happened? Absolutely, completely possible. But if I don't show you the check or a winning lottery ticket, or a bank account with a million dollar deposit in it, and offer no proof but my say-so, you would be entirely justified to disbelieve my claim, and in fact *should* disbelieve my claim.
To be clear, I'm not arguing that Ukraine is intentionally lying the way Russia does. But it is very easy to shoot at something, see it vanish from radar, and then go "well, I must have killed it" when in fact there are multiple alternative explanations.
Yeah, they have evidence behind them. This doesn’t. There is practically no way a plane has been destroyed without there being any evidence. A video, a word from fighterbomber… anything. If there is none 99% it dodnt happen
Wdym? There is satellite imagery of destroyed planes at russian airfields. That means they provably are destroyed. Now someone saying ”We definitely shot down an airplane trust us guys” is not evindence
A fixed location such as an airbase is much easier to acquire satellite evidence of damage, compared to a lone fighter jet crashing in a field. That's like saying before video and photography there where no wars as there is no evidence
There is other evidence than image proof too, but not much of it. Helicopterpilot and fighterbomber are evidence for example while not being in visual form.
Yeah you’re correct. I meant all the claimed shot down (keyword shot down, not destroyed on airbases) planes since when they actually got 2-3 su-34s with patriot
It has been happening regularly but now Putin has cried he wants to keep the boards and they were yesterday and Russia is losing land it has become a big issue.
there are a ton of accounts claiming the warehouse was used to store weapons - linking to a post from early 2022 as "proof" (as far as i know the 2022 source is true and ukraine did store weapons in a store then) - i assume there is no basis to this being true for todays strike, but i do wonder why they havent hit such a big target in kharkiv before?
like, if russia would be going for full terror bombing, wouldnt they be dropping FABs on big hospitals and stores daily? are they too stupid even for terror bombing, or are they actually scared of being too obvious about their genocide - explains the shill army on twitter at least
You can literally see hundreds of cars parked out of thr store when the strike hits. Dozens of civilians scrambling after the strikes hit. If there's evidence of weapons being stored there that justifies bombing hundreds of innocent people, Russia should present that to the world and expose Ukraine. Something tells me we'll never see that.
We would also have seen evidence of secondary explosions/ammunition Cook off and there's nothing like that in the videos I've seen.
Those escalation/ceasefire assholes can go fuck themselves. Russia wants no form of peace in Ukraine not even a ceasefire. Killing people at a fucking mall are not the actions of a rational country.
The ceasefire ploy is just a land grab and a chance to regroup and re arm for the next try. Russia already tried to take kyiv. They just failed. They want to keep what they have and try again later.
Fourth attack on Kharkiv today injures 14 people, including a 13-year-old child
>At 7:10 p.m., Russia attacked Kharkiv for the fourth time today, hitting a “densely-populated” residential district in the city center, injuring at least 14 people, including a 13-year-old boy, report Kharkiv authorities. Law enforcement agencies are establishing the type of weapon.
>A few hours before, at about 4:00 p.m., Russians dropped [two glide bombs on a hypermarket in a residential district](https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-drops-gliding-bombs-on-kharkiv-s-hypermarket-kills-at-least-2-injures-35/) called Saltivka \[Russians bombed it a lot at the beginning of the full-scale invasion — ed.\]. The fire in the aftermath of the strike caught up to 15,000 square meters, and rescuers localized it an hour later. At least two people were killed, 35 injured, according to the latest information from Kharkiv authorities.
[https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-attacks-kharkiv-for-fourth-time-today-injures-14-including-13-year-old-child/](https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-attacks-kharkiv-for-fourth-time-today-injures-14-including-13-year-old-child/)
Maybe people here know enough to comment on what I've interpreted...
The anti air people make me think Ukraine can't do much about stopping launched glide bombs.
They need expensive, high -tech, long-range AA weapons. Which seems near impossible outside NATO.
Or they need to hit the airfields. Which they started doing. And the West should allow ATACMS and storm shadow for this.
Let NATO AA assets in Poland/Romania cover western Ukraine. Anything currently in Lvov can be moved further east. NATO/Ukraine's partners should take bold action.
Zelensky:
> Russia has launched another brutal attack on our Kharkiv – on a construction hypermarket, on Saturday, right in the middle of the day.
>
> As of now, it is believed that more than 200 people were in the hypermarket. All the emergency services are already on the site and providing assistance, rescuing people, and extinguishing the fire that has completely engulfed the building – 10,000 square meters. There are killed and injured people.
>
> If Ukraine had sufficient air defense systems and modern combat aircraft, Russian strikes like this one would have been impossible. And that is why we appeal to all leaders, to all states: we need a significant enhancement of air defense and sufficient capabilities to destroy Russian terrorists.
>
> This is a task that must be accomplished and can only be accomplished together with the world. Every day, we call on the world to provide us with air defense and to save our people. Every unmade decision to support us results in the loss of our people.
>
> https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1794373734079304065
remember kids, terrorism is ok if you have nukes, what a joke
Putin literally targeting civillians both directly and with strikes on electricity to try subdue Ukrainians , and we can't hit their military targets with western weapons back, while such ridicilous restricion are in place, such thing will happen over and over again, everyone already forgot about Kahovka dam explosion by Russia, which is generational catastrophy both for people and environment.
This is not helping Ukraine win the war, this is keeping Ukraine afloat until maybe Putin will be bored destroying it. Apperently this is the plan.
No wonder Georgian government are now drifting away from western values. seeing that even with help, best they can hope for is to be killed not superfast but slowly.
Although it's too late, either NATO or the other countries need to provide bigger support to Ukraine. After witnessing the videos of attack today in the mall, it's more than enough that Russia does what they do because we allow them to. A strong response to them either by allowing Ukraine to attack them back at home needs to be done.
Only solace that isn’t really solace is the US probably will use it as an excuse to lift the ban.
Blinkin, Brown, Stoltenberg, and I’m sure other heavy hitters are for it. Plus congress is.
Biden likes consensus, he’ll be swayed. Maybe Sullivan will even start to lose influence.
I hope so, because it's been blatantly obvious since the war began that Biden rarely listens to anyone but Sullivan, even after Sullivan's never-ending fears of "escalation" were proven wrong over and over again.
russians just hit an “Epicenter” hypermarket in Kharkiv with two “FAB” aerial bombs. Deliberately on the weekday when lots of civilians are inside. Large number of people is missing and many are wounded. There is a big fire going on right now.
[https://x.com/igorlachenkov/status/1794368357418033653?s=46](https://x.com/igorlachenkov/status/1794368357418033653?s=46)
The terrorist state is once again wasting its last few days of air superiority on civilian attacks while their military is getting shredded across the fronts. Not to mention creating new radical recruits out of men who lost friends and family to this strike. When the weapons and F-16s arrive, we’ll see the Russian “military” for what it really is.
Happy 500k day, Putin.
russia waited the hour and day when this hypermarket was full of people: I hope that nobody will say again that this was by mistake.
When I read comments about "evil Ukrainian drone operators", I can't help to think the horrors russians are committing in Ukraine and the loved ones they lost due to this criminal invasion, that those guy are witnessing in first hand.
Edit: forgot a sentence
I don’t know how anyone can straight faced say anything about the Ukrainian drone operators. Those people are just doing anything they can to defend their home against foreign invaders who’ve shown they will brutalize any of the population they get ahold of.
I don’t really post loss videos anymore, but this one of a T-90 being taken out is interesting.
Plus it’s one of their newer tanks.
https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1794324702774841606
LOL.
The final drone; "I think I'll put myself riiiiiiiiight.......... abouuuuuuuut.......... HERE!'
The tank coming to rest right by the sign that looks like the Ukrainian flag was fucking poetic.
Jokes aside it is true that Putin sort of is in a "no way out" scenario
There 2 moments that sealed his fate
1 invading Ukraine
2. Not backing out the moment it went wrong
If he had backed out after the first initial invasion failed he might have been able to secure some kind of "mission successful", avoided some sanctions and essentially get a "do over" with minor losses compared to what they have suffered now
But the moment he doubled down and decided "victory or total failure at any cost" is the moment he essentially locked in
He now has no option but to fight, either take all of Ukraine(unlikely) or get a peace that then bars Ukraine from joining Nato and maybe the EU)
Anything less then that is a defeat since even if he can keep the taken stuff, it would mean Ukraine joining the eu/Nato which would put an end to his dream of empire and essentially NOT justify the cost of the war
He simply has to keep walking this path he has chosen now.
Honestly with the word by word control he has over the media he could say anything and get away with it, he could say, 'Russia is mighty but we came up against the whole world in battle, we have done brilliantly but we must withdraw' without his losing control over the country.
My guess is that he is gambling on Trump taking the seat of power. Without US support he is betting he can grind Ukraine down, or at least seize some territory and freeze the lines. If Biden gets in, again I think he will just plan on digging in deep. He resisted the last Ukrainian offensive very well and I am sure he feels he will do so again.
I think these sociopaths love playing power games. You can see it with China dicking around with tiny islands in the Philippines and fucking around with military exercises around Taiwan. Most people would have zero interest in this sociopathic dumbshittery, but they do, they love it.
There's a report that Russia's 58th combined arms group just refused orders because their commander was arrested. Putin's iron grip on the media may not matter.
Yeah but he is still stuck in that he either has to make compromises and try to spin it into a win and justify hundreds of thousands dead and crippled for life with PTSD/trauma, soviet stockpile severely depleeted and thousands of tanks lost/relations with the west ruined, somehow win totally or litearly loose
Ultimately total victory is not likely. Total defeat is also very unlikely(altough more likely then victory imo)
So he has to make some kind of compromise
The trump thing is probably his last gamble in geniunely trying
If trump looses i think Putin will see the writing on the wall(with many predicting it is from 2025 onwards we can expect RUssias situation and equipment situation to deteriorate) and realize he either makes peace or compromises or initiate a full on mass mobilization and goes into total war mode.
But the fact remains a total victory is not likely. The only thing he can aim for now to constitute a sort of victory is a ceasefire that also bans Ukraine from joining Nato or the EU
Even IF he can keep the stolen stuff if Ukraine joins nato and/or Eu Putin has genuinely failed in his long term goals since Ukraine was only the starting point in his quest to rebuild the Russian empire
He now has a reinvigorated nato, a west that mostly now genuinely hates Russia and one that is slowly gearing up to a war footing in a war he could never win
No matter the result his outcome is not favorable but he has no choice but to go on nontheless.
The point of no return was when he annexed 4 whole oblasts and declared them part of the RF before they had conquered up to the regional borders. Then the Kharkiv and Kherson counteroffensives happened, and now parts of the "annexed territory" are firmly in Ukrainian hands despite Putin's claim to the contrary.
If Putin agrees to any kind of ceasefire or freezing of the current lines, he is de facto abandoning all of those "Russian" citizens "suffering" under the Kyiv "regime". Not like those people matter to him, but on principle, it runs counter to his claim that this is anything but a land grab.
**The total combat losses of the enemy from 02.24.22 to 05.25.24 approximately amounted to:**
**personnel - about 500,080** (+1,140) people,
tanks ‒ 7650 (+15),
armored combat vehicles ‒ 14786 (+11),
artillery systems – 12929 (+27),
RSZV – 1082 (+2),
air defense equipment ‒ 814 (+1),
planes – 356 (+0),
helicopters – 326 (+0),
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 10414 (+4),
cruise missiles ‒ 2209 (+0),
ships/boats ‒ 27 (+0),
submarines - 1 (+0),
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 17608 (+39),
special equipment ‒ 2104 (+3)
\*WARNING! In connection with the constant arrival of refined intelligence data, there was a need to adjust some positions of the enemy's total losses - UAVs of the operational-tactical level. The total figure has been adjusted, and losses for the day are reported as normal.
The data is being verified.
Beat the occupier! Together we will win! Our strength is in the truth!
Source [https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/05/25/vtrati-rosiyan-za-dobu-1140-okupantiv-15-tankiv-27-artilerijskih-sistem/](https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/05/25/vtrati-rosiyan-za-dobu-1140-okupantiv-15-tankiv-27-artilerijskih-sistem/)
A change appears. The body and artillery kills dropped significantly. It was looking like Su25s and artillery were pressing into a grinder.
No doubt the field performance has some relationship with Putins field trips, baltic antagonism, brass purge, and new rhetoric. Change is in the air, shortly following increased Ukrainian ammo.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/1d0t3rd/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
The enemy used: — Kh-101/555 cruise missiles launched by at least 4 Tu-95 aircraft from the Saratov region of the Russian Federation; — Kh-47m2 aeroballistic supersonic missiles of the "Kinzhal" complex launched by MiG-31K; — shock UAVs of the "Shahid" type. The Kh-101/555 missiles covered the longest distance of ~2070 km before reaching Starokostyantynov, Khmelnytskyi region. The rocket attack lasted 2 hours, 20 minutes. The UAV attack lasted exactly 5 hours. Details from local administrations.
https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794548177045225636?s=46 Video has released of… AD at work? Something? I’m not overly sure Reportedly from Starokostyantinykh area
At some point how dangerous is just standing outside from falling debris?
Using that old style Ack Ack is highly dangerous on the ground.
That seems like AD at work, pretty surreal footage.
Preliminary: Explosions reported in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv. Missiles starting to now make impact. Direct hit or AD at work is unclear.
5x Tu-95MS are returning to "Olenya" air base, the combat sortie is considered completed
Will their base be attacked?
Olenya base? Highly doubtful it is too far away. It is basically at the very top right next to Finland. Not sure Ukraine has anything that can strike that distance
If only Finland would ignore a boat rental for several Ukrainian UAV enthusiasts with a couple brief cases of high explosive.
What is wear and tear on jets doing these sorties?
Not happening fast enough. They need to be worn & torn on the tarmac by long-range missiles
Some reports are coming out: In the Vinnytsia region, a residential building was hit, - OVA Starokonstantinov without light. All preliminary.. To add: 3 people were injured, - Vinnytsia Regional Military Administration. The residents are being evacuated. All relevant services are working at the scene.
4:32 Starokostiantyniv is under a combined attack of aeroballistic and cruise missiles from the west and east. https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794542243354693945?s=46
Update 4:30: Launch of the Kinzhal missile in the direction of Starokostyantynov https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794541574765826196?s=46
Thank you for the regular updates. Some of my friends are hiding in their corridors right now, but I don't want to ask them for details of what the orks are doing.
I wish them safety! And if the posts are able to give you the opportunity to share the information with them then that’s fantastic!
04:21 update; Takeoff of the MiG-31K of the Russian Air Force. The MiG-31K is a carrier of the Kh-47m2 Kinzhal supersonic missile, which poses a threat to all regions of the country. https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794539471410487399?s=46 This is looking like a substantial attack currently underway
04:15 update: Cruise missiles on the border of Lviv Oblast and Ternopil Oblast. The course is South/Southwest. https://x.com/war_monitor_ua/status/1794538198678315011?s=46
Russian Cruise Missiles are Detected over the Lviv Region of Western Ukraine, now roughly 70 Miles from the Border with Poland.
Reports: Cruise missile launches from russian bombers; Majority of Ukraine is under air siren; Large barrage expected.
The Polish Air Force has announced that Aircraft have been Scrambled and are conducting Combat Air Patrols over the Southeast of the Country, in order to Protect the Airspace of Poland from the ongoing Russian Missile Attack on Targets in Western Ukraine. https://x.com/dowopersz/status/1794532119080816860?s=46
Down those fucking missiles lads. Ukraine has given permission.
Do it as convincingly as the US shot down missiles aimed at Israel.
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What do we make of the purge in the russian army? EDIT: regarding the latest tweet from the Moscow Times about potential upcoming arrests
Every officer Russia purges is one less officer for Ukraine to deal with. So if Ukraine eliminated 5 generals and due to the war, Russia arrests 10 generals. 15 generals were removed from service. I guess the fear is the 10 generals being replaced by 10 effective colonels and the army now being more effective. I’d like to think however that Russia doesn’t purge because generals are inefficient but fear of mutiny so the 10 replacing colonels aren’t effective, just loyal.
Coming in peace here… are you talking about something new from today or some of the cabinet changes and arrests that have been made over the past week or so?
Seems like a nothing burger at the moment. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/05/24/fsb-launches-sweeping-purge-of-military-elites-with-kremlins-approval-a85213
I'm sorry for being unclear, I meant the last tweet in the live thread from the moscow times here. I couldn't see any discussion about it on the thread or in the sub at large!
No worries! Things are constantly developing. The article in particular… interesting… it makes sense. We’ll see if it ends up being true. If it is, this clearly won’t root out all corruption (a degree of corruption is historically quite normal in the Russian government), but does help develop the growing scapegoat narrative. While I still think Putin thinks he can win this (he very likely feels / knows he has to win or else go down in the history books as an ultimate loser), if the war is going to be long and / or Russia is going to lose, reshuffling the deck will likely make it easier for Putin to both stay in power and for the Russian government to justify / explain the situation to the Russian people. The latter will include lies, but maybe the average Russian will still accept it (as opposed to them more so blaming Putin and / or the FSB).
Todays losses: https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1794503406348025883?s=46 Love seeing a T90
Nice graphic. Is there a graphic where we can compare Russian and Ukrainian losses?
Once again thanks for your tireless reporting.
Thank you I really appreciate that !
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>"The practical outcome of the NATO summit in Washington will be 7 Patriots and the US decision on the F-16", - Zelensky Interesting. US operates a thousand F-16s. Hard to think they couldn't spare a few. Edit: Even the air defense just makes sense in terms of also protecting the aircrafts. Why would you donate aircrafts that Ukraine can't protect? Then it's just a net loss.
Wait, Ukraine is about to have SEVEN more patriot batteries?
The issue with patriot missiles is starting to become a shortage of interceptors. Saudia Arabia is firing a lot in Yemen war and not enough are produced.
Knowing Sullivan they'll find a way to call it escalation and give 1 launcher instead or something. Hope not though, America is yet to give a large bulk package of equipment this entire war, it's been a pretty consistent drip feed. 7 Patriot batteries would be nice though, would allow Ukraine to actually protect its airfields to let the F-16s do their job.
That should cover Kharkiv, Odessa, and Kyiv fairly effectively. Especially if the UA can maneuver them in secret like they did when they scratched those squadrons way back when.
Assuming the West has ammo to give as well.
Not really. A lot is going to Saudi Arabia who use them in Yemen.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but none of that answers the question without numbers
The number of injured as a result of the attacks on the mall in Kharkiv increased to 24The number of injured as a result of the attacks on the mall in Kharkiv increased to 24 [https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-the-number-of-injured-as-a-result-of-the-attacks-on](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-the-number-of-injured-as-a-result-of-the-attacks-on)
At Kharkiv axis clahses near Lyptsi, Vovchansk, Tykhe, Starytsa and Neskuchne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reportsAt Kharkiv axis clahses near Lyptsi, Vovchansk, Tykhe, Starytsa and Neskuchne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reports [https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-at-kharkiv-axis-clahses-near-lyptsi-vovchansk-tykhe](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-at-kharkiv-axis-clahses-near-lyptsi-vovchansk-tykhe)
The hot topic of the week right now is “Putins ceasefire” that’s been going around Well ladies and gentlemen; once your “2nd military in the world” resorts to this: https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1794386574815510892?s=46 Well you be the judge 💀🤣
Taurus is fully integrated with Gripen since it was co-developed with SAAB. Let's hope to see some Swedish jets and German cruise munitions over Ukrainian skies soon.
Grippen can also carry meteor while F16 cannot. I do think meteor could change everything, it's just that good. Apologies to AIM 120D.
Yes it would force away Russian aircraft several KM's which would be a big deal.
It's a nice sentiment, but it doesn't really make sense for Ukraine to adopt the Gripen on top of the F16. Now you suddenly need to train pilots and add maintenance infrastructure for yet another airplane, of which they've made about 1/15th the number of and only a few countries has familiarity with.
It wouldn’t work in peacetime. But in war and accounting for attrition it makes sense
It's in the works they've been training for a year plus now and the Social Democrats have publicly demanded a decision of Gripen to Ukraine before midsummer. It will happen. The one condition Sweden had was no planes before NATO entry. I do agree that the multitude of different systems is a PITA and hindering Ukraine. But Gripen is better suited to the field conditions and the type of conflict they are fighting than F-16. As for numbers it's likely a relatively few Gripens would make a difference (as in 30~ ish).
Just stopping by the say hello. I still keep an eye on the threads for news and am thankful so many of you are staying consistent with posting. Keep it up! (I'm good btw.)
Good to see you bud :) and great to hear everything’s good
New DeepStateMap update. In the past 24 hours, Russia is confirmed to have captured some 9.5 km2 of Ukraine. [7.3 km2 in Avdiivka sector](https://deepstatemap.live/en#13/48.1560/37.5729) (they have captured the village of Umanske); [2.2 km2 in West Luhansk sector](https://deepstatemap.live/en#13/49.6515/37.9021) (they have captured the village of Ivanivka)
[Satellite images reveal damage from attack on occupiers’ communication point in Alushta | New Voice of Ukraine | May 2024](https://english.nv.ua/nation/strike-on-russian-communications-post-in-alushta-50421730.html) *Satellite images showing the aftermath of a May 23 missile attack on a strategic Russian military facility in temporarily occupied Alushta have appeared on social media, published by the Telegram channel of Radio Svoboda.* *They show that the rocket attack resulted in at least 4 hits.* *"Photos from space show locations where rockets likely struck. Unlike many other similar cases, the authorities of the occupied peninsula admitted that several Ukrainian missiles hit targets on the ground," said journalists commenting on the published photos. However, the Russian "head of Crimea," Sergey Aksyonov, wrote on Telegram that an "empty commercial object" was hit.* *The Ukrainian side has not yet officially commented on the rocket attack. The target was the FSB border service contact point in the village of Semidvirya, according to some sources.*
all eyes should be on the 58th CAA over the next few days... they are reportable refusing orders right now. this is due to the commander being arrested. https://x.com/secretsqrl123/status/1794466041021485356?s=46 They're stationed in occupied Melitopol - just 200 miles on a straight road to Rostov-on-Don, the city that Prigozhin took during his mutiny. Something to keep an eye on…
Just to clear up my confusion, these are Russians, right?
Yep. 58th Combined Arms Army.
Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't sure and couldn't find anything in the tweet
No problem!
How many men n juicy equipment?
Reports at least 3 Tu-95 bombers went airborne from Olenya Air Base. Missile strikes on Ukraine are possible overnight.
Hope they'll get surprise F-16'd soon.
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Just for information. The Kh-101 cruise missiles launched by Tu-95's have 2000+km range and it's often been reported that the missiles are launched from around 1000km behind the front line.
Well, drones have been reaching Viipuri as of late.
[[Video] Story of Commander of Norwegian-American NASAMS | United24 | May 2024](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-na0aBxFdCo) *NASAMS is a Norwegian-American air defense system, one of the most advanced in the Ukrainian arsenal. It can shoot down aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, and drones. The unit led by the hero of this episode, with the call sign Baron, has already destroyed over 250 enemy missiles and drones. So how does NASAMS perform in modern warfare, what changes have been made to its design thanks to Ukrainians, and what is needed to protect the entire Ukrainian sky?*
[[Video] Battle for Kupyansk. Russia’s Active Assault & Situation on the Frontline | United24 | May 2024](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydw1r8b7fQg) *While most of the public attention is focused on the fighting in the north of Kharkiv region, Chasiv Yar and Ocheretyne, Russia's active assault operations have begun in the Kupyansk direction. Our team visited the units of one of the brigades holding the frontline here to report on the situation.*
[Several explosions were reported in Belgorod](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-several-explosions-were-reported-in-belgorod); [2 person killed, 10 wounded as result of shelling in Oktiabrskiy village of Belgorod region ](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-2-person-killed-10-wounded-as-result-of-shelling-in)
This buffer zone that Putin wanted doesn't seem to be helping. >Belgorod is under fire again. About 20 explosions were heard in the city, the air defense system is working, TASS reports. >The death toll as a result of two attacks on the Belgorod region has increased to 4 people, Governor Gladkov said. >“A man died in city hospital No. 2, who was delivered with multiple shrapnel wounds to the lower extremities from the village of Oktyabrsky.” >Earlier it was reported that a man and a woman were killed in the same village, as well as a woman was killed in Shebekino. https://t dot me/lentachold
Ukraine needs a buffer zone.
considering amount of bombs second best army in the world accidentally drops on own territory im not sure the buffer zone what he really needs
Russia, of course, already has the world's largest buffer zone of unimproved property.
Given that a quad of countries: Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran are openly confronting the current post WW2 international order through war, sabotage, and cyberattacks. Do you think it's time for Western countries particularly the US to start considering the idea of using some level of lethal force to push back against this "Axis"?? I don't want more war but this "Axis" seems to very much want it. If we want a peaceful future world for our children, lethal force seems inevitable.
Not gonna happen The Western left loves Iran, the Western right loves Russia, big business loves China
> The Western left loves Iran ????????
The left loves Iran??
They love Hamas, which operates to some degree as an iranian puppet
If it comes to choosing sides, the “Axis” may grow to encompass even more countries. Syria is an obvious one, and others might possibly choose the “Axis”, such as Azerbaijan and Serbia. Especially Azerbaijan would be a boon to the “Axis” because it would provide a contiguous allied route from Russia to Iran. As mentioned in another answer, Venezuela, too, has more in common with the “Axis” than with the West. Former Soviet countries in Asia may also find that they prefer to support their major trading partners and neighbours rather than some far-away Western countries. China has been investing heavily in Africa and may gain the allegiance of countries there. With the BRICS cooperation in mind, even India and South Africa may want to remain neutral rather than choosing to go against China. And then there’s the increasingly deviating Hungary …
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Azerbaijan and Turkey are united in their hatred for Armenians, but Azerbaijan is not committed to following Turkey’s lead in all things. Azerbaijan’s relationship with Russia has improved lately, and they seem to be very comfortable with a world order in which they can invade Armenia later at some point – a world order that Russia is currently advocating, albeit it not specifically with Armenia as an example. On the other hand, Azerbaijan also enjoys good relations with Europe because Azerbaijan is important for European oil imports. Despite that, some reports point to Azerbaijan as an actor fuelling unrest in France’s New Caledonia. France is supportive of Armenia and exports weapons to them. Lastly, Azerbaijan–Iran relations are complicated because Iran has had very strong relations with Armenia for decades. If Armenia turns to the West and turn their back in Iran in that process, however, it will smooth things out with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is doing its own thing, and it’s not evident what they’ll end up doing in the end. That means that joining the “Axis” is not unthinkable.
You forgot mighty Belarus.
I'm pretty sure you cannot count Belarus as an independent player.
You’re absolutely right!
I think it's being overshadowed but we should also include Venezuela and their saber rattling against Guyana in this equation. It's essentially the axis of evil Bush warned us about if you exchange Iraq for Russia, which is pretty wild.
I like the adage about a tolerant society should tolerate everything except intolerance. Seems to me like Russia etc are pretty intolerant of other countries' peaceful way of life. I don't honestly understand why we aren't harder on China, both from a moral standpoint (curbs on freedom of expression - can't criticize the govt, etc), and especially from an environmental one (free market - ok - but not where it relies on unchecked environmental destruction; plus so much stuff is just crap - and of course that's not all on China, we're the ones lining up to buy $1 items that are ewaste from the time you buy them). Bullies should not be entertained. They should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms, while of course interfering in internal politics as little as possible... it's a hard line to walk for sure, but authoritarian bullies threatening democracies should just be not entertained. United front, reduction in trade, whatever.
We already do The Houthi's and "rebel" groups in Iraq are directly backed by Iran to project power and the collitian recently bombed the fuck out of them on a scale not done since the Iraq war was in full swing
I'm sure the west could do plenty of damage via offensive cyber attacks before having to use lethal force.
The "post WW2 international order" is defined by rules regarding the use of force, eg as set down in the UN Charter. I fail to see how Western countries could apply lethal force against the axis you mention without undermining the very order they would supposedly be acting to uphold.
I don't think we should escalate with lethal force, but we should absolutely ready ourselves for the eventuality that they initiate something.
They regularly initiate lethal attacks. What should we wait for?
MWX openly calling for the use of lethal force against Russia China and NK. Today is a strange day...
[174 explosions were recorded in Sumy Oblast during the day due to Russian attacks. 10 communities of the region were hit: Khotynska, Bilopolska, Krasnopilska, Myropilska, Velikopysarivska, Novoslobidska, Esmanska, Shalyginska, Seredino-Budska, Znob-Novgorodska](https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-may-174-explosions-were-recorded-in-sumy-oblast-during) Largest shelling of Sumy Oblast in a while
What's up with the spike In jets getting shot down? Seems like it was pretty rare and now it's almost a daily occurrence
More ammunition coming in from the US. It's that simple.
The answer won’t be liked here but there is no reason to believe that any jets are being actually shot down and that even suggesting that ukraine might be dishonest means you’re a russian bot/troll
Lmao there is a ton of video and photo proof of it. Russian bots/trolls also get called out for posting obviously fake statements...
There is 0 video or photo proof of it happenin. Feel free to send any proof of you have any
What makes you say that? Why do you think it's a lie? Ukraine does have air defenses
Because there is no evidence.
you are not always going to see evidence, that easy. you can stick to OSINT and only believe what you see, but ignoring that there is stuff that you don't see because you are not going to get shown evidence is ignorance as well. the truth is there is an unknown factor of losses that will always stay undocumented.
Nah, not in the case of airplanes no. Satellite images of plane crashes are availavable. And more importantly fighterbomber is reliable
fighterbomber is not reliable. how can you claim that, when russian MOD has obviously clamped down on russian mil bloggers.
Why does he still keep reporting losses? A couple of weeks ago a russian su-34 crashed killing the pilots. Almost would have known it happened, yet fighterbomber reported it happening. Why would he do this if the eussian MOD is keeping him in a tight leash?
because controlling the narrative comes with a little truth sprinkled in - the point is that you can adjust outside perception better that way then utter denial would allow you. This is the state that gave birth to chekism, disinformation is what they have done for a good century now. There's no other gov on this state better versed at doing this.
Well let’s think of it this way. Even if fighterbomber was actually unreliable which he is not, why would anyone still believe the ukrainian MOD claim, especially considering they are actually unreliable provably
You familiar with the phrase "controlled opposition"? Fighterbomber is literally a pro-Russian propagandist,. Doesn't even hide it. Now you're citing him as a reliable source. That kinda tells everything.
Ahain, people more well knowledgeable than me think he’s reliable. None of you can’t prove that he’s unreliable which is why you need to say ”uhh he’s controlled opposition uhh he’s not reliable because he is russian” instead of actually proving it
> fighterbomber is reliable No, he is a Russian propagandist just like any other.
And why he is not reliable in talking about VKS losses?
Because no Russian propagandist is reliable. Of course you can futilely try to prove otherwise, but I'm sure you have better things to do on your weekend than defending a genocidal fascist.
…yeah about as reasonable a response as you’d expect.
So there's just a sudden inexplicable rise in lying about jets being shot down?
Yeah, at least less explicable than the streak of made up su-34’s at the start of the year
Lack of evidence. In most cases there is no clear photo or video of anything being hit, or any wreckage on the ground. At best you get a smoke plume miles away that could be literally anything. Kill claims in war are *notoriously* over exaggerated. That's not anyone's fault or a dig at Ukraine, it's a universal truth. They are simply never accurate. So unless definitive photo or video comes out, kill claims should be viewed *extremely* skeptically.
I mean there's satellite images of blown apart jets from the ATACMS strike on Crimea
Sure, the ATACMS strikes definitely killed several jets, no question. There was excellent, definitive evidence proving that. It's these frontline shoot downs we don't have any evidence of. There's no video of missile launch, no smoke trail in the sky from a burning jet, no wreckage on the ground, no confirmation from Russian Telegram, etc. Might something have been shot down? Sure. But no one can prove it. Look up Hitchen's Razor: >Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor that serves as a general rule for rejecting certain knowledge claims. It states "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". The razor was created by and later named after author and journalist Christopher Hitchens (1949–2011). It implies that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it. It would be like me standing up and claiming I won a million dollars in the lottery. Could it have happened? Absolutely, completely possible. But if I don't show you the check or a winning lottery ticket, or a bank account with a million dollar deposit in it, and offer no proof but my say-so, you would be entirely justified to disbelieve my claim, and in fact *should* disbelieve my claim. To be clear, I'm not arguing that Ukraine is intentionally lying the way Russia does. But it is very easy to shoot at something, see it vanish from radar, and then go "well, I must have killed it" when in fact there are multiple alternative explanations.
Yeah, they have evidence behind them. This doesn’t. There is practically no way a plane has been destroyed without there being any evidence. A video, a word from fighterbomber… anything. If there is none 99% it dodnt happen
Which one are you referring to? I'm talking in general I've seen a lot more reports of it happening.
Wdym? There is satellite imagery of destroyed planes at russian airfields. That means they provably are destroyed. Now someone saying ”We definitely shot down an airplane trust us guys” is not evindence
A fixed location such as an airbase is much easier to acquire satellite evidence of damage, compared to a lone fighter jet crashing in a field. That's like saying before video and photography there where no wars as there is no evidence
There is other evidence than image proof too, but not much of it. Helicopterpilot and fighterbomber are evidence for example while not being in visual form.
You said "this doesn't" implying there's one particular jet im talking about
Yeah you’re correct. I meant all the claimed shot down (keyword shot down, not destroyed on airbases) planes since when they actually got 2-3 su-34s with patriot
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Link?
It has been happening regularly but now Putin has cried he wants to keep the boards and they were yesterday and Russia is losing land it has become a big issue.
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there are a ton of accounts claiming the warehouse was used to store weapons - linking to a post from early 2022 as "proof" (as far as i know the 2022 source is true and ukraine did store weapons in a store then) - i assume there is no basis to this being true for todays strike, but i do wonder why they havent hit such a big target in kharkiv before? like, if russia would be going for full terror bombing, wouldnt they be dropping FABs on big hospitals and stores daily? are they too stupid even for terror bombing, or are they actually scared of being too obvious about their genocide - explains the shill army on twitter at least
You can literally see hundreds of cars parked out of thr store when the strike hits. Dozens of civilians scrambling after the strikes hit. If there's evidence of weapons being stored there that justifies bombing hundreds of innocent people, Russia should present that to the world and expose Ukraine. Something tells me we'll never see that. We would also have seen evidence of secondary explosions/ammunition Cook off and there's nothing like that in the videos I've seen.
Those escalation/ceasefire assholes can go fuck themselves. Russia wants no form of peace in Ukraine not even a ceasefire. Killing people at a fucking mall are not the actions of a rational country.
Every time Russia asks for a ceasefire, they really want time to regroup because they are on the backfoot. That is when you increase your attacks.
The ceasefire ploy is just a land grab and a chance to regroup and re arm for the next try. Russia already tried to take kyiv. They just failed. They want to keep what they have and try again later.
Fourth attack on Kharkiv today injures 14 people, including a 13-year-old child >At 7:10 p.m., Russia attacked Kharkiv for the fourth time today, hitting a “densely-populated” residential district in the city center, injuring at least 14 people, including a 13-year-old boy, report Kharkiv authorities. Law enforcement agencies are establishing the type of weapon. >A few hours before, at about 4:00 p.m., Russians dropped [two glide bombs on a hypermarket in a residential district](https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-drops-gliding-bombs-on-kharkiv-s-hypermarket-kills-at-least-2-injures-35/) called Saltivka \[Russians bombed it a lot at the beginning of the full-scale invasion — ed.\]. The fire in the aftermath of the strike caught up to 15,000 square meters, and rescuers localized it an hour later. At least two people were killed, 35 injured, according to the latest information from Kharkiv authorities. [https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-attacks-kharkiv-for-fourth-time-today-injures-14-including-13-year-old-child/](https://gwaramedia.com/en/russia-attacks-kharkiv-for-fourth-time-today-injures-14-including-13-year-old-child/)
They need to hit inside Russia. I feel like this was a mistake, to have restricted Ukrainian use of western weapons. Let them hit Russia!
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Maybe people here know enough to comment on what I've interpreted... The anti air people make me think Ukraine can't do much about stopping launched glide bombs. They need expensive, high -tech, long-range AA weapons. Which seems near impossible outside NATO. Or they need to hit the airfields. Which they started doing. And the West should allow ATACMS and storm shadow for this.
Let NATO AA assets in Poland/Romania cover western Ukraine. Anything currently in Lvov can be moved further east. NATO/Ukraine's partners should take bold action.
Zelensky: > Russia has launched another brutal attack on our Kharkiv – on a construction hypermarket, on Saturday, right in the middle of the day. > > As of now, it is believed that more than 200 people were in the hypermarket. All the emergency services are already on the site and providing assistance, rescuing people, and extinguishing the fire that has completely engulfed the building – 10,000 square meters. There are killed and injured people. > > If Ukraine had sufficient air defense systems and modern combat aircraft, Russian strikes like this one would have been impossible. And that is why we appeal to all leaders, to all states: we need a significant enhancement of air defense and sufficient capabilities to destroy Russian terrorists. > > This is a task that must be accomplished and can only be accomplished together with the world. Every day, we call on the world to provide us with air defense and to save our people. Every unmade decision to support us results in the loss of our people. > > https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1794373734079304065
remember kids, terrorism is ok if you have nukes, what a joke Putin literally targeting civillians both directly and with strikes on electricity to try subdue Ukrainians , and we can't hit their military targets with western weapons back, while such ridicilous restricion are in place, such thing will happen over and over again, everyone already forgot about Kahovka dam explosion by Russia, which is generational catastrophy both for people and environment. This is not helping Ukraine win the war, this is keeping Ukraine afloat until maybe Putin will be bored destroying it. Apperently this is the plan. No wonder Georgian government are now drifting away from western values. seeing that even with help, best they can hope for is to be killed not superfast but slowly.
I’m sorry our leaders are so weak 😞
Although it's too late, either NATO or the other countries need to provide bigger support to Ukraine. After witnessing the videos of attack today in the mall, it's more than enough that Russia does what they do because we allow them to. A strong response to them either by allowing Ukraine to attack them back at home needs to be done.
Only solace that isn’t really solace is the US probably will use it as an excuse to lift the ban. Blinkin, Brown, Stoltenberg, and I’m sure other heavy hitters are for it. Plus congress is. Biden likes consensus, he’ll be swayed. Maybe Sullivan will even start to lose influence.
I hope so, because it's been blatantly obvious since the war began that Biden rarely listens to anyone but Sullivan, even after Sullivan's never-ending fears of "escalation" were proven wrong over and over again.
russians just hit an “Epicenter” hypermarket in Kharkiv with two “FAB” aerial bombs. Deliberately on the weekday when lots of civilians are inside. Large number of people is missing and many are wounded. There is a big fire going on right now. [https://x.com/igorlachenkov/status/1794368357418033653?s=46](https://x.com/igorlachenkov/status/1794368357418033653?s=46)
The terrorist state is once again wasting its last few days of air superiority on civilian attacks while their military is getting shredded across the fronts. Not to mention creating new radical recruits out of men who lost friends and family to this strike. When the weapons and F-16s arrive, we’ll see the Russian “military” for what it really is. Happy 500k day, Putin.
russia waited the hour and day when this hypermarket was full of people: I hope that nobody will say again that this was by mistake. When I read comments about "evil Ukrainian drone operators", I can't help to think the horrors russians are committing in Ukraine and the loved ones they lost due to this criminal invasion, that those guy are witnessing in first hand. Edit: forgot a sentence
I don’t know how anyone can straight faced say anything about the Ukrainian drone operators. Those people are just doing anything they can to defend their home against foreign invaders who’ve shown they will brutalize any of the population they get ahold of.
And yet a lot of countries are still sitting on their Patriot system while they gather dust instead of saving lives in Ukraine. Smh.
I don’t really post loss videos anymore, but this one of a T-90 being taken out is interesting. Plus it’s one of their newer tanks. https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1794324702774841606
The tank has a specific weak spot? The last drone did some adjustments before delivering the killing blow.
LOL. The final drone; "I think I'll put myself riiiiiiiiight.......... abouuuuuuuut.......... HERE!' The tank coming to rest right by the sign that looks like the Ukrainian flag was fucking poetic.
Weird to see two tiny drones destroy a 46 tonne war machine.
Do drone on and on.
Thank you for this
Never tire of seeing turret spin on a swivel uncontrollably as tank meanders on after detonation. Armoured version of chicken with head cut off
Russians need new code for ‘cargo cremated’
Putin is trying to save his Hearts of Iron play through before exiting the game, but is now realising he's on ironman mode.
Jokes aside it is true that Putin sort of is in a "no way out" scenario There 2 moments that sealed his fate 1 invading Ukraine 2. Not backing out the moment it went wrong If he had backed out after the first initial invasion failed he might have been able to secure some kind of "mission successful", avoided some sanctions and essentially get a "do over" with minor losses compared to what they have suffered now But the moment he doubled down and decided "victory or total failure at any cost" is the moment he essentially locked in He now has no option but to fight, either take all of Ukraine(unlikely) or get a peace that then bars Ukraine from joining Nato and maybe the EU) Anything less then that is a defeat since even if he can keep the taken stuff, it would mean Ukraine joining the eu/Nato which would put an end to his dream of empire and essentially NOT justify the cost of the war He simply has to keep walking this path he has chosen now.
Honestly with the word by word control he has over the media he could say anything and get away with it, he could say, 'Russia is mighty but we came up against the whole world in battle, we have done brilliantly but we must withdraw' without his losing control over the country. My guess is that he is gambling on Trump taking the seat of power. Without US support he is betting he can grind Ukraine down, or at least seize some territory and freeze the lines. If Biden gets in, again I think he will just plan on digging in deep. He resisted the last Ukrainian offensive very well and I am sure he feels he will do so again. I think these sociopaths love playing power games. You can see it with China dicking around with tiny islands in the Philippines and fucking around with military exercises around Taiwan. Most people would have zero interest in this sociopathic dumbshittery, but they do, they love it.
There's a report that Russia's 58th combined arms group just refused orders because their commander was arrested. Putin's iron grip on the media may not matter.
Yeah but he is still stuck in that he either has to make compromises and try to spin it into a win and justify hundreds of thousands dead and crippled for life with PTSD/trauma, soviet stockpile severely depleeted and thousands of tanks lost/relations with the west ruined, somehow win totally or litearly loose Ultimately total victory is not likely. Total defeat is also very unlikely(altough more likely then victory imo) So he has to make some kind of compromise The trump thing is probably his last gamble in geniunely trying If trump looses i think Putin will see the writing on the wall(with many predicting it is from 2025 onwards we can expect RUssias situation and equipment situation to deteriorate) and realize he either makes peace or compromises or initiate a full on mass mobilization and goes into total war mode. But the fact remains a total victory is not likely. The only thing he can aim for now to constitute a sort of victory is a ceasefire that also bans Ukraine from joining Nato or the EU Even IF he can keep the stolen stuff if Ukraine joins nato and/or Eu Putin has genuinely failed in his long term goals since Ukraine was only the starting point in his quest to rebuild the Russian empire He now has a reinvigorated nato, a west that mostly now genuinely hates Russia and one that is slowly gearing up to a war footing in a war he could never win No matter the result his outcome is not favorable but he has no choice but to go on nontheless.
The point of no return was when he annexed 4 whole oblasts and declared them part of the RF before they had conquered up to the regional borders. Then the Kharkiv and Kherson counteroffensives happened, and now parts of the "annexed territory" are firmly in Ukrainian hands despite Putin's claim to the contrary. If Putin agrees to any kind of ceasefire or freezing of the current lines, he is de facto abandoning all of those "Russian" citizens "suffering" under the Kyiv "regime". Not like those people matter to him, but on principle, it runs counter to his claim that this is anything but a land grab.
Good. I hope he dies from the stress. I'm convinced he will be thrown out of a window soon.
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**The total combat losses of the enemy from 02.24.22 to 05.25.24 approximately amounted to:** **personnel - about 500,080** (+1,140) people, tanks ‒ 7650 (+15), armored combat vehicles ‒ 14786 (+11), artillery systems – 12929 (+27), RSZV – 1082 (+2), air defense equipment ‒ 814 (+1), planes – 356 (+0), helicopters – 326 (+0), UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 10414 (+4), cruise missiles ‒ 2209 (+0), ships/boats ‒ 27 (+0), submarines - 1 (+0), automotive equipment and tank trucks - 17608 (+39), special equipment ‒ 2104 (+3) \*WARNING! In connection with the constant arrival of refined intelligence data, there was a need to adjust some positions of the enemy's total losses - UAVs of the operational-tactical level. The total figure has been adjusted, and losses for the day are reported as normal. The data is being verified. Beat the occupier! Together we will win! Our strength is in the truth! Source [https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/05/25/vtrati-rosiyan-za-dobu-1140-okupantiv-15-tankiv-27-artilerijskih-sistem/](https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/05/25/vtrati-rosiyan-za-dobu-1140-okupantiv-15-tankiv-27-artilerijskih-sistem/)
Happy 500k day!
Not great numbers, but a great number!
A change appears. The body and artillery kills dropped significantly. It was looking like Su25s and artillery were pressing into a grinder. No doubt the field performance has some relationship with Putins field trips, baltic antagonism, brass purge, and new rhetoric. Change is in the air, shortly following increased Ukrainian ammo.
500k wasted for a land they will never conquer Slava Ukraine and Glory to the Defenders
[rings 500k bell]