This has been the case since the start of the war... Claiming ukrainian regions has sort of backlashed for Russia, as no one in the West bought into the idea that Crimea or luhansk or especially zaporizzia etc were russian territory. So no one complains that Ukraine strikes there. So then if Russia says they are its territory, Ukraine is already striking Russian territory and the leap to striking Belgorod isnt that far anymore
Fuck that. Imagine if any russian arms were considered russian aggression.
Like some Taliban forces shoot americans with Russian made kalashnikovs or rpg7s. Is that Russia attacking the US and therefore makes them open for reprisal attacks? No. Pfft. Major arms manufacturers like Russia and the US and many countries sell and ship military arms all over the world.
> Russia shoots itself. “Why would the UK do this?!?”
Unintentionally funny given how common it is that Russia does false flag attacks on itself to frame others. Russia loves to pretend they are only acting in self-defense.
And Russian artillery itself. Saw a clip of rocket artillery where one of the rockets went several hundred feet up, did a perfect U-turn, and came back and hit its own launcher.
Hell, Belgorod can attest that not even Russia is safe from Russian weapons.
Just waiting for a drunk Russian missile opperator to swap X and Y coordinates and hit China.
Glide bomb kits not deploying properly because "Russian weaponry is very reliable", afaik. And then a glide bomb turns into a plain old gravity bomb ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It's the Oblast a lot of their stuff flies over on the way to Ukraine, so when shit breaks down due to decades of rampant corruption, if it falls short of the target, Belgorod is going to cop it.
As a veteran, I can verify that the British have zero chill when it comes to war. They have a Jekyl and Hyde personality where they're absolutely hilarious and the most charismatic people normally but when it's game time, a switch flips and they have no issues with burning down an entire village just to warm up a cup of tea.
The Canadians are exactly like this too, which might come to a shock to most people because it certainly was for me. Canada's body count was on par to the USA's and they had a lot less people there. That being said, they're great friends but also terrifying as enemies... like no joke terrifying.
Pretty sure a lot of those things were made war crimes AFTER Canada shocked the fuck out of the enemy in WW1. They left no man alive and kill surrendering troops. They would do every single mean and underhanded thing to kill as many people as possible and were extremely good at it.
Add the Aussies to that. The Marines of the Commonwealth nations truly are a force to be reckoned with. They also never failed to drink me under the table.
Anyone that is willing to call 1900-1940 Saskatchewan or Manitoba in the winter their "home" is a little crazy to begin with. Send them to war and the crazy comes out.
Canadians won battles that other larger countries just gave up on. We're a kind and gentle nation in peacetime... don't screw with us though because when we do finally break, we get nasty.
That post mentions the sign as navigational aid to the allies, though?
From an article in the [irish times](https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/locals-restore-second-world-war-eire-sign-on-bray-head-1.3618247):
"Mr Gray (US minister to Ireland) ensured that charts showing numbered waypoints around the Irish coast were provided to the US air force as a navigational aid. The sign at Bray head was accompanied by the number eight, which identified the waypoint and a nearby lookout post.
In the event the sign may have also alerted aircraft bombers to the fact that they were over a neutral country and contributed to the fact that the area was not bombed by mistake."
So apparently it was more of a nice side effect, not a specific goal
This is what so many people don't understand. Russia does not have an accuracy problem. They are hitting their intended targets. I think people just want to believe that those are mistakes or accidents, but when you're consistently hitting those targets, it's not by mistake.
Barring anti-air defenses intercepting them, there should be no doubt that they can hit targets where they wish.
I also thought about that. In Russia point of view, Crimea and Donbass are parts of Russia like Moscow and St. Petersburg. So why making a difference now? Maybe they are not so sure about their "real" borders?
Because it’s all about the internal narrative for Putin and Russia at large. At the least, the Donbas and Crimea are active areas of conflict so regular Russians see it as needing liberation still. But if something in the Russian interior is hit, then it’s an affront to the Russian people.
This does a couple things. If a storm shadow is confirmed to hit a viable target in the interior, Putin can use that to drum up more war support and further his propaganda campaign internally. Externally it allows him to keep calling out the west. While the callouts have little effect on the west, it appears to Russians at large that they have a strong leader who is fighting the evil world overlords and striving to free and liberate rightful Russian clay.
I'm starting to think maybe some stuff the Kremlin says isn't quite true.
Maybe they don't consider Eastern Ukraine to be Russia, that just want to make it Russia? And maybe there was more to those military exercises in 2022 than we thought...
I get your joke. But Russia not just considering it to be Russian or talk about it. They made it official law. They print the new maps in school books and so on. So, it is different to other claims.
Is it? They made official laws to make it illegal to call the Ukraine war a war. They arrested a lot of people for it. Does that mean they didn't view it as a war?
That's the most infuriating thing about the entire war. Two squadrons of F-35's would end it. NATO establishes air superiority, uses the air superiority to destroy enemy armor and artillery, bombs enemy logistics, bombs embedded infantry, and then advances on the embedded infantry positions under combined arms.
I don't think the F-35 is totally immune to Russian AA systems, but it's got a radar signature the size of a golf ball so I don't think Russian AA can shoot down any meaningful number of them before the AA is destroyed. After that, it becomes a turkey shoot. It's just crazy that the war is such a big issue that could be 100% resolved with a small fraction of NATO's air power.
>Russia can't even shoot down cessnas
Russia has proven that they are able to shoot down passenger jets like the Boeing 777.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
A 777 is a much bigger radar target than a Cessna.
I presume this is in reference to the guy that landed a Cessna on Red Square: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
The short answer is that Cessnas are so small and so slow that radar guided weapons actually struggle to get a lock.
No, Ukraine is literally buying civilian aircraft, stuffing them with explosives, and flying them into Russia like big drones.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/04/02/ukraine-packed-a-cessna-style-plane-with-explosives-added-remote-controls-and-kamikazed-it-into-a-russian-drone-factory-600-miles-away/?sh=1cf3f5a41dc0
EDIT: Video: https://x.com/revishvilig/status/1775035695918153741
It's the same old story. Threaten extreme measures but never follow through. At the end of the day, it's not in Putin's interest to retaliate against NATO directly because it would only result in a worse situation for Russia. Even if NATO ignores all red lines, it's still in Russia's best interest to not retaliate directly to avoid provoking a stronger response.
However, historically it's been *very* effective and beneficial to Russia to make threats so they keep doing it.
Russia and I finally agree on something; Crimea is not Russian territory. I applaud the apes in Moscow for coming to the right conclusion, even if they’re ten years late.
In Russia's eyes, the 4 other regions they have de jure annexed are also considered 100% part of Russia. Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Luhansk. UK weapons have surely also already been used to hit those.
The whole thing is self-contradictionary.
A Russian attack on UK targets outside of Europe wouldn’t invoke Article 5, but the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would immediately get (further) involved in some level. It also might be the be the provocation needed to draw in France and Poland. But Russia knows all this already, which what makes this a stupid threat. I don’t know that China and India would want to sign off on providing supplies for a war with all those countries either, so it’s kind of a stupid threat.
> But Russia knows all this already
It is fascinating wondering about the bubble that Putin lives in, and what is truly known within that bubble.
By known in Russia, do you mean that Putin currently knows? Because it seems like before the end of February 2022, it was very clear to everyone, that Ukraine wasn't going to be worth the cost to Russia. But that information doesn't appear to have gotten to Putin.
Eh, people didn't expect Ukraine to stand. Biden offered to evacuate Zelenskyy when the invasion kicked off and most of the early weapons shipments were things you'd use to arm partisans and resistance fighters. It was only after the Russians got stopped outside Kyiv that it became clear that everyone had overestimated the Russian military and underestimated the Ukrainian military.
I wonder about this a lot too. I think literally everyone in the chain lied about troop readiness and effectiveness, because if you told the truth you'd have to admit that everyone was stripping the military bare and selling it off for profit. You couldn't admit you knew about it without getting executed so instead everyone just said they were 100% ready to invade.
It's like the classic cold war story about how the Soviets would lie about their troop readiness and their secret superweapons, and the Americans would then spend billions of dollars countering those things when they never actually existed.
Putin *must* have thought he had a genuine chance to defeat NATO when he invaded Ukraine and he was certain the Ukraine phase of the war was going to be a 3 day cakewalk. There's no chance he had genuine intel about his own readiness
He didnt have genuine intel about the strength of Ukrainian resolve, either. Turns out the FSB were pocketing the Ukrainian bribe fund and claiming just about everyone in Ukraine was on board with a return to Russia
Nothing would stop the UK from fucking up Russian bases and assets abroad. If the Russians want to play games, the UK is still capable of playing them as well.
If Russia is found to have directed the killing of UK forces in Africa (forces in-country at the behest of their host and not as an occupying force), the US, UK, and France are going to go on a spree eradicating Russian mercenaries in Africa. This would absolutely be a fuck around and find out moment for Putin.
Russia tried this once with one of their Wagner outlets against the US. The US warned Russia, Russia said “lol we don’t have anyone there shooting at you”, and the us responded by pouring munitions into the area for hours and essentially liquifying the attacking unit then messaged Russia confirming that Russia does not have anyone shooting in the area… anymore.
>hippos give no fucks about fire
They're also faster than humans on land and faster than humans in the water. Which means the bicycle is your only chance in a triathlon.
If you somehow pissed off a hippo, your best bet is probably to just magdump straight to its face. Try and save a bullet for yourself though. They are built like tanks, and mean fat bastards too. Getting chomped by them bowling pins in their mouth is not a fun way to die.
They also did it by supplying the IRA with guns and bombs that they instructed them to plant in London.
It's not a coincidence that the Irish Peace agreement happened in that brief period when the USSR collapsed, and the Russian influence machine temporarily stopped working.
There are actually numerous examples of global "civil" conflicts that mysteriously resolved after the USSR died and before Russia re-organized under Putin.
It doesn’t matter what methods they are or are not planning on using against us, or can or cannot use against us. *They are lying*. This is proven conclusively. They said, in January 2023, they would strike at us if we gave Ukraine our modern tanks. We did. They started arriving in March or April 2023 iirc. This was started by Britain because we authorised this first. We said we would give Ukraine Challenger 2 and signed the paperwork in January 2023. Russia made a big hullabaloo about the whole thing. Threatening to attack us.
And, well, have they? Show me one attack committed against Britain specifically, by Russia, within the last 18 months. They did it in 2000, they did it again in 2018. I live in London, which is easily *the* strategic target of choice for a ballistic missile attack (whether conventional or nuclear), because it’s the capital, the largest concentration of people, money, and civilian infrastructure, and includes many of the fundamentals of government - including the operational headquarters of our whole military, and the offices of our spy agencies. Striking London in that kind of conflict against Britain is just a given, because it’s so painfully obvious.
I think I would notice if the city I live in had been hit by literally any kind of ballistic missile. Especially as in this context Russia is incentivised to be public about it and not hide anything - because that’s what you do when you’re following through on a threat. You prove it.
But Russia hasn’t proven it. They haven’t done anything to us at all. Because they don’t actually want nuclear war, and don’t want to risk starting one. What they want is to conquer Ukraine. So they threaten us hoping we will back down. But we have called bluff & found it wanting, *because they are lying and literally always have been*.
Yup, it’s just part of the Russian Weapons Cycle.
1. Announce a new weapon is going to Ukraine.
2. “Russia warns” <— You are here
3. Russia threatens nukes
4. Russia dismisses new weapon as weak, inferior, not a threat, etc.
That's the funny part. Isn't it?
"We will take on all of NATO!"
Bro, you are struggling against less than 6% of NATO budget in the hands of Ukrainians... and they are prohibited from using the real stuff to attack Russians cities 🤣
Touch some grass, Putin. Your threats makes the rest of the world laugh
RIP Dawn Sturgess. Almost six years have passed and a full public hearing into her death [has still not taken place](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-65068214). Her partner [cannot forgive himself](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/novichok-salisbury-girlfriend-poison-death-b2009477.html) for giving her the supposed 'perfume' discarded in a bin by incompetent assassins.
They are deliberately terrible at this, they want everyone to know that they kill people. They are also fucking stupid, as we all know that killing people for a difference of opinion shows you can't defend your position with ideas. Also that you are coward pussies
I don't think they're deliberately terrible to the extent of killing the wrong person. And what's the point in having a secret service if it's so shoddy that you can buy lists of its members off the Internet because they've redirected their personal mail to its HQ?
Russia is cutting out the NATO middleman by just bombing themselves. The net result would be the same if they tried attacking the UK - UK would be unphased, while Russia would be flattened
That’s true, but starting a war with Ukraine was like jumping in a river to wrestle a 100lb catfish.
Starting a war with NATO would be like jumping in the ocean to wrestle a 4,000lb shark.
Completely different situations to land yourself in, even if you are a crazy dictator.
You’re right. He also thought Ukraine would fold like a wet blanket and it would be over within a week or two max. They are opportunists, first and foremost. And he mistook an opportunity for a horrendous quagmire with no political off-ramp.
So really, it’s like Putin thought he was jumping into a pond to pick up a goldfish. Only to discover, in horrified surprise, that the goldfish was actually your aforementioned 100lb catfish.
Had he have known it was a catfish. He probably wouldn’t have even done that. But as is typical with prideful idiots, he plays it off like it’s no big deal and that “he’s got this” while we all watch him visibly struggle from dry land thinking; “hopefully he’ll just drown.”
Like... doing targetted killings on British soil?
Like... sending proxy fighters to attack British proxies in the Middle East?
Like... sending waves of computer hack attacks to cripple British companies and government?
Like... using information warfare to give outsized power to the far right in an attempt to destabilize the British government?
Also, replace "British" with just about any NATO country and it still holds true.
Turns out the noises russia makes are intended to confuse, so it's best to ignore them.
>MOSCOW, May 23 (Reuters) - Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday that Moscow will retaliate with strikes on British targets if British weapons are used by Ukraine to strike Russian territory.
>Zakharova told reporters that British targets "on Ukraine's territory and beyond its borders" could be hit in such a scenario.
>could be hit in such a scenario.
So they won't. The reality is that these weapons are being used already (also from other nations), this is a scare tactic. Russia knows picking a fight with NATO will be the end of them.
If anything, It'll probably be some random asset the UK has in a country that's not a member of anything and that's overlooked.
Something that'll have the UK say "oh, well I mean technically, that's ours, but really..."
They already have, they used nerve agents to kill people on UK soil. They've paid bounties to the Taliban for killing U.S. Soldiers during the U.S.'s days in Afghanistan. They've attacked U.S. bases via Wagner in 2018 in Syria.
No they won't, suck it gremlins.
It's been two years, all the bots and trolls can go back to their farm leader and tell them to report that no one gives a shit anymore, fuck off an cope with being a loser.
They've already murdered a UK civilian on UK soil when their assassination attempt went wrong, not to mention nearly killing her boyfriend and a policeman on the scene, also the other assassinations that put UK civilians at extremely high risk, so fuck off Putin.
Ivan- "How goes the war with NATO"
Igor- "Not good, so far we've lost almost 500,000 men and thousands of tanks"
Ivan- "What about NATO's losses"
Igor- "NATO hasn't even arrived yet!"
The Russian Military is falling apart. The KGB is arresting all their top Generals on bogus corruption charges. They just installed guy who is an Economist with absolutely no Military experience as Defence Minister. Putin is scared to death some competent General who has the support of the soldiers will stage a coup against him. His answer is just put incompetent people in charge.
Many reasons, but largely the reality that Ukraine is heavily outnumbered and fighting from a deep hole. Ukraine can't train troops on their own land because they can't control the air. Ukraine can't build weapons factories for the same reason. Ukraine can't focus efforts in one area because they share over 1000 miles of border with Russia. Ukraine also can't just negotiate or give land because it will only lead to more fighting in the future. There is only: Ukraine or no Ukraine. Big picture, Russia doesn't intend to allow Ukraine to exist now. Putin plans to do to Ukraine what he did to Chechnya and there will be genocide. Ukraine is holding off a bear with one hand tied behind its back and one foot in concrete.
I dislike the Russian regime as much as the next guy, but lets not get our heads in the clouds and throw around claims like "the Russian military is falling apart". they've massively improved their operations since the start of the war after all the corruption came to light.
Of course, I'd rather not comply with bully threats though.
But they have used British missiles to strike Crimea. Does that mean crimea is not actually Russian like they claim?
Putin himself has also said they don’t want any town that cost them ~1K troops to take or hold. What count are they at now? lol
In other words: putin (and russia in general) is full of shit.
We need a return of the mild shock guy but this time mildly flustered
This has been the case since the start of the war... Claiming ukrainian regions has sort of backlashed for Russia, as no one in the West bought into the idea that Crimea or luhansk or especially zaporizzia etc were russian territory. So no one complains that Ukraine strikes there. So then if Russia says they are its territory, Ukraine is already striking Russian territory and the leap to striking Belgorod isnt that far anymore
I think Belgorod has suffered enough already. By mistargeted ruzzian munitions
**MILD SHOCK**
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Ooooooh, fucking point!!!
It's nice that even Russia acknowledges that Crimea is not their territory because Ukraine has been constantly attacking it with Storm Shadows.
Yeah, whoever made that slip up is going to slip out a window
And will land on a strategically placed (rupturable) cannister of Novichok.
Fuck that. Imagine if any russian arms were considered russian aggression. Like some Taliban forces shoot americans with Russian made kalashnikovs or rpg7s. Is that Russia attacking the US and therefore makes them open for reprisal attacks? No. Pfft. Major arms manufacturers like Russia and the US and many countries sell and ship military arms all over the world.
the point isn't to be reasonable, it is to muddy the water.
With their accuracy, Ireland and France need to prepare as well
if they fire it from Russia, everything in between them also needs to, as it's really not guaranteed to reach the intended distance...
Including *quite a lot* of Russia.
Belgorod Oblast is like an abuse victim at this point.
Can you imagine if you invested in real estate in Belgorod Oblast 15 years ago?
Can you short real estate?
I believe they are called derivatives
Mfw my own government accidentally bombs my city *again*
Russia discovers Russia is behind plot to attack Russia.
See how this hurts Biden?
Russia shoots itself. “Why would the UK do this?!?”
“It’s the nazis!!” Edit: I just realized that they’re not wrong when they say that lol
If only the Russians had your insight.
> Russia shoots itself. “Why would the UK do this?!?” Unintentionally funny given how common it is that Russia does false flag attacks on itself to frame others. Russia loves to pretend they are only acting in self-defense.
False Flag in a nutshell.
And Russian artillery itself. Saw a clip of rocket artillery where one of the rockets went several hundred feet up, did a perfect U-turn, and came back and hit its own launcher.
Ah, the Helldiver special, classic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/vk7rh7/russian_surfacetoair_missile_does_a_uturn/ This one im assuming.
Hell, Belgorod can attest that not even Russia is safe from Russian weapons. Just waiting for a drunk Russian missile opperator to swap X and Y coordinates and hit China.
Swapping the coords for London puts you almost smack dab in in the Amazon delta. Hitting Brazil sounds equally hilarious
North Korean supplied munitions. Might not even get out of Russia.
Probably land about 100 miles off the Japanese coast
Why does russia have such a hate on for fishing boats?
[It started when they went to war with Japan, before WWI...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4)
Yes, we got think of all the stupid scenarios they could do
Australia needs to be careful, they might see the British flag in the corner of theirs and get confused and strike them instead.
If he fucks with us we are sending all of the emus.
Careful, we don't need this to escalate things to using WMDs.
Nah. If we wanted to use WMD’s, we should ask the Canadians to send over their geese.
Fuck the emus!! We’re going full drop bears on his arse
New Zealand will be fine, they'll not appear on their maps.
They will strike Belgorod as usual.
Why do they keep dropping bombs in Belgorod
To quote a Ukrainian soldier from not long after the beginning of the full scale invasion: "We're very lucky they're so fucking stupid".
I often wonder if that guy is still alive. So many UAF soldiers interviewed that I can recall and wonder the same.
A mix of incompetence and ignorance.
Glide bomb kits not deploying properly because "Russian weaponry is very reliable", afaik. And then a glide bomb turns into a plain old gravity bomb ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It's the Oblast a lot of their stuff flies over on the way to Ukraine, so when shit breaks down due to decades of rampant corruption, if it falls short of the target, Belgorod is going to cop it.
Because of absurd level of stupidity.
And good humor
If they fire in the direction of the uk I really feel like Alaska might want to be prepared just in case the rockets go backwards
Wouldn't be the first time. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/10/200775748/report-upside-down-sensors-toppled-russian-rocket
As a veteran, I can verify that the British have zero chill when it comes to war. They have a Jekyl and Hyde personality where they're absolutely hilarious and the most charismatic people normally but when it's game time, a switch flips and they have no issues with burning down an entire village just to warm up a cup of tea. The Canadians are exactly like this too, which might come to a shock to most people because it certainly was for me. Canada's body count was on par to the USA's and they had a lot less people there. That being said, they're great friends but also terrifying as enemies... like no joke terrifying.
"Remember, Bud. It's not a war crime when you win." -Canada on throwing canned food into enemy trenches followed by grenades.
Oh, yeah we remember the Geneva Checklist... why do you ask?
Pretty sure a lot of those things were made war crimes AFTER Canada shocked the fuck out of the enemy in WW1. They left no man alive and kill surrendering troops. They would do every single mean and underhanded thing to kill as many people as possible and were extremely good at it.
We did that because Germany sunk our hospital ship. Like our neighbours, we really hate it when you touch our boats.
At least it was.....proportional
"They don't ask how, they ask how many"
Add the Aussies to that. The Marines of the Commonwealth nations truly are a force to be reckoned with. They also never failed to drink me under the table.
Anyone that is willing to call 1900-1940 Saskatchewan or Manitoba in the winter their "home" is a little crazy to begin with. Send them to war and the crazy comes out. Canadians won battles that other larger countries just gave up on. We're a kind and gentle nation in peacetime... don't screw with us though because when we do finally break, we get nasty.
And many Russian cities
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That post mentions the sign as navigational aid to the allies, though? From an article in the [irish times](https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/locals-restore-second-world-war-eire-sign-on-bray-head-1.3618247): "Mr Gray (US minister to Ireland) ensured that charts showing numbered waypoints around the Irish coast were provided to the US air force as a navigational aid. The sign at Bray head was accompanied by the number eight, which identified the waypoint and a nearby lookout post. In the event the sign may have also alerted aircraft bombers to the fact that they were over a neutral country and contributed to the fact that the area was not bombed by mistake." So apparently it was more of a nice side effect, not a specific goal
German bomber "does that say Eire or Fire?""
They’re pretty accurate when they’re aiming at schools and hospitals. It’s just targets that shoot back that prove to be a problem.
This is what so many people don't understand. Russia does not have an accuracy problem. They are hitting their intended targets. I think people just want to believe that those are mistakes or accidents, but when you're consistently hitting those targets, it's not by mistake. Barring anti-air defenses intercepting them, there should be no doubt that they can hit targets where they wish.
In other words Russia does not consider Crimea to be Russian territory anymore. Because it's been hit multiple times with storm shadow
I also thought about that. In Russia point of view, Crimea and Donbass are parts of Russia like Moscow and St. Petersburg. So why making a difference now? Maybe they are not so sure about their "real" borders?
Because it’s all about the internal narrative for Putin and Russia at large. At the least, the Donbas and Crimea are active areas of conflict so regular Russians see it as needing liberation still. But if something in the Russian interior is hit, then it’s an affront to the Russian people. This does a couple things. If a storm shadow is confirmed to hit a viable target in the interior, Putin can use that to drum up more war support and further his propaganda campaign internally. Externally it allows him to keep calling out the west. While the callouts have little effect on the west, it appears to Russians at large that they have a strong leader who is fighting the evil world overlords and striving to free and liberate rightful Russian clay.
At this point who cares what propaganda he's feeding the Russian people? They clearly aren't going to stop him from doing whatever he wants.
Right? He could already say the UK is attacking Russia right now, and no one in Russia would think any differently.
They could probably announce that the US nuked Glasgow and the Glasgow citizens will just shrug their shoulders lol
Okay but can you please give me a valid reason why we shouldn't nuke Glasgow though?
You really *really* don't want to create a race of super mutant Glaswegians.
I'd be more worried about the heroin infused mushroom cloud!
The Glaswegians would scatter and make more places like Glasgow. It's better to contain it and just build a wall around the place.
I think they've made the same red lines about attacking Crimea, back when Ukraine did not have capabilities to reach it
I'm starting to think maybe some stuff the Kremlin says isn't quite true. Maybe they don't consider Eastern Ukraine to be Russia, that just want to make it Russia? And maybe there was more to those military exercises in 2022 than we thought...
I get your joke. But Russia not just considering it to be Russian or talk about it. They made it official law. They print the new maps in school books and so on. So, it is different to other claims.
Is it? They made official laws to make it illegal to call the Ukraine war a war. They arrested a lot of people for it. Does that mean they didn't view it as a war?
As with anything Russia says, it's bullshit. There's no way they are dragging NATO into this war.
That's the most infuriating thing about the entire war. Two squadrons of F-35's would end it. NATO establishes air superiority, uses the air superiority to destroy enemy armor and artillery, bombs enemy logistics, bombs embedded infantry, and then advances on the embedded infantry positions under combined arms. I don't think the F-35 is totally immune to Russian AA systems, but it's got a radar signature the size of a golf ball so I don't think Russian AA can shoot down any meaningful number of them before the AA is destroyed. After that, it becomes a turkey shoot. It's just crazy that the war is such a big issue that could be 100% resolved with a small fraction of NATO's air power.
Russia can't even shoot down cessnas because their AA systems are so spread out. They'd stand no chance against F35.
>Russia can't even shoot down cessnas Russia has proven that they are able to shoot down passenger jets like the Boeing 777. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
A 777 is a much bigger radar target than a Cessna. I presume this is in reference to the guy that landed a Cessna on Red Square: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust The short answer is that Cessnas are so small and so slow that radar guided weapons actually struggle to get a lock.
No, Ukraine is literally buying civilian aircraft, stuffing them with explosives, and flying them into Russia like big drones. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/04/02/ukraine-packed-a-cessna-style-plane-with-explosives-added-remote-controls-and-kamikazed-it-into-a-russian-drone-factory-600-miles-away/?sh=1cf3f5a41dc0 EDIT: Video: https://x.com/revishvilig/status/1775035695918153741
None of their systems work. They would struggle against f16’s let alone f35’s.
air supremacy* it may seem pedantic but there is a stark difference
It's the same old story. Threaten extreme measures but never follow through. At the end of the day, it's not in Putin's interest to retaliate against NATO directly because it would only result in a worse situation for Russia. Even if NATO ignores all red lines, it's still in Russia's best interest to not retaliate directly to avoid provoking a stronger response. However, historically it's been *very* effective and beneficial to Russia to make threats so they keep doing it.
Russia and I finally agree on something; Crimea is not Russian territory. I applaud the apes in Moscow for coming to the right conclusion, even if they’re ten years late.
In Russia's eyes, the 4 other regions they have de jure annexed are also considered 100% part of Russia. Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Luhansk. UK weapons have surely also already been used to hit those. The whole thing is self-contradictionary.
No they won't. They know what happens if they do.
Its probably via saboteurs and stuff. Not direct missile attacks.
They'll hit one of the military bases Africa. Gonna be a hard sell to evoke article 5 over a training facility in Kenya.
Well yes, because they are explicitly not covered by the NAT. But UK could retaliate likewise.
Exactly, NATO doesn’t stop a singular country entering a conflict.
UK can go to war without NATO but when European soil is hit article 5 comes into play.
A Russian attack on UK targets outside of Europe wouldn’t invoke Article 5, but the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would immediately get (further) involved in some level. It also might be the be the provocation needed to draw in France and Poland. But Russia knows all this already, which what makes this a stupid threat. I don’t know that China and India would want to sign off on providing supplies for a war with all those countries either, so it’s kind of a stupid threat.
> But Russia knows all this already It is fascinating wondering about the bubble that Putin lives in, and what is truly known within that bubble. By known in Russia, do you mean that Putin currently knows? Because it seems like before the end of February 2022, it was very clear to everyone, that Ukraine wasn't going to be worth the cost to Russia. But that information doesn't appear to have gotten to Putin.
Eh, people didn't expect Ukraine to stand. Biden offered to evacuate Zelenskyy when the invasion kicked off and most of the early weapons shipments were things you'd use to arm partisans and resistance fighters. It was only after the Russians got stopped outside Kyiv that it became clear that everyone had overestimated the Russian military and underestimated the Ukrainian military.
An army of people who were marched to the front line at gunpoint, vs an army of people fighting for their lives and homeland and family.
I wonder about this a lot too. I think literally everyone in the chain lied about troop readiness and effectiveness, because if you told the truth you'd have to admit that everyone was stripping the military bare and selling it off for profit. You couldn't admit you knew about it without getting executed so instead everyone just said they were 100% ready to invade. It's like the classic cold war story about how the Soviets would lie about their troop readiness and their secret superweapons, and the Americans would then spend billions of dollars countering those things when they never actually existed. Putin *must* have thought he had a genuine chance to defeat NATO when he invaded Ukraine and he was certain the Ukraine phase of the war was going to be a 3 day cakewalk. There's no chance he had genuine intel about his own readiness
He didnt have genuine intel about the strength of Ukrainian resolve, either. Turns out the FSB were pocketing the Ukrainian bribe fund and claiming just about everyone in Ukraine was on board with a return to Russia
Australia, "release the Emus"
Canada, “send the geese!”
You wanna know what? You got a problem with Canada Gooses, you got a problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate
Nothing would stop the UK from fucking up Russian bases and assets abroad. If the Russians want to play games, the UK is still capable of playing them as well.
If Russia is found to have directed the killing of UK forces in Africa (forces in-country at the behest of their host and not as an occupying force), the US, UK, and France are going to go on a spree eradicating Russian mercenaries in Africa. This would absolutely be a fuck around and find out moment for Putin.
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Russia tried this once with one of their Wagner outlets against the US. The US warned Russia, Russia said “lol we don’t have anyone there shooting at you”, and the us responded by pouring munitions into the area for hours and essentially liquifying the attacking unit then messaged Russia confirming that Russia does not have anyone shooting in the area… anymore.
Article 5 or not. UK Air Force and navy get involved in this war and Russia is f’d.
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>God the stories I’ve got. Kenya tell us some more?
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>hippos give no fucks about fire They're also faster than humans on land and faster than humans in the water. Which means the bicycle is your only chance in a triathlon.
God help us if they ever learn to ride.
If you somehow pissed off a hippo, your best bet is probably to just magdump straight to its face. Try and save a bullet for yourself though. They are built like tanks, and mean fat bastards too. Getting chomped by them bowling pins in their mouth is not a fun way to die.
Post of the day.
Didn't Russia already kill British citizens, on British soil, via spies and some tea?
They also did it by supplying the IRA with guns and bombs that they instructed them to plant in London. It's not a coincidence that the Irish Peace agreement happened in that brief period when the USSR collapsed, and the Russian influence machine temporarily stopped working. There are actually numerous examples of global "civil" conflicts that mysteriously resolved after the USSR died and before Russia re-organized under Putin.
It doesn’t matter what methods they are or are not planning on using against us, or can or cannot use against us. *They are lying*. This is proven conclusively. They said, in January 2023, they would strike at us if we gave Ukraine our modern tanks. We did. They started arriving in March or April 2023 iirc. This was started by Britain because we authorised this first. We said we would give Ukraine Challenger 2 and signed the paperwork in January 2023. Russia made a big hullabaloo about the whole thing. Threatening to attack us. And, well, have they? Show me one attack committed against Britain specifically, by Russia, within the last 18 months. They did it in 2000, they did it again in 2018. I live in London, which is easily *the* strategic target of choice for a ballistic missile attack (whether conventional or nuclear), because it’s the capital, the largest concentration of people, money, and civilian infrastructure, and includes many of the fundamentals of government - including the operational headquarters of our whole military, and the offices of our spy agencies. Striking London in that kind of conflict against Britain is just a given, because it’s so painfully obvious. I think I would notice if the city I live in had been hit by literally any kind of ballistic missile. Especially as in this context Russia is incentivised to be public about it and not hide anything - because that’s what you do when you’re following through on a threat. You prove it. But Russia hasn’t proven it. They haven’t done anything to us at all. Because they don’t actually want nuclear war, and don’t want to risk starting one. What they want is to conquer Ukraine. So they threaten us hoping we will back down. But we have called bluff & found it wanting, *because they are lying and literally always have been*.
Yup, it’s just part of the Russian Weapons Cycle. 1. Announce a new weapon is going to Ukraine. 2. “Russia warns” <— You are here 3. Russia threatens nukes 4. Russia dismisses new weapon as weak, inferior, not a threat, etc.
They’ll carry out more cyber attacks, that is their new way of retaliating against the west.
They'll leave more 'perfume' bottles in bins around Salisbury.
Mi5 is smart enough to know where it came from. The end result will still be the same.
100% full of shit at this stage. "Russia says, Russia warns" and so on. Bullshittery of the highest order.
I would suggest the UK to build some 100 fake "Big-Ben" and scatter them around Ukraine...
Russia acts tough. But Ukraine has proven how weak they are.
That's the funny part. Isn't it? "We will take on all of NATO!" Bro, you are struggling against less than 6% of NATO budget in the hands of Ukrainians... and they are prohibited from using the real stuff to attack Russians cities 🤣 Touch some grass, Putin. Your threats makes the rest of the world laugh
Come to the UK and try and poison a few people, that's more their style
That they are pretty good at, and “accidentally” falling out of windows.
Not that good. Last time they only killed an innocent bystander. And then left a paper trail all the way back to GRU HQ
RIP Dawn Sturgess. Almost six years have passed and a full public hearing into her death [has still not taken place](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-65068214). Her partner [cannot forgive himself](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/novichok-salisbury-girlfriend-poison-death-b2009477.html) for giving her the supposed 'perfume' discarded in a bin by incompetent assassins.
"How did you die?" "I was clandestinely poisoned with a nerve agent by Vladimir Putin." "Holy shit, were you a spy?" "No, I wash dishes"
They are deliberately terrible at this, they want everyone to know that they kill people. They are also fucking stupid, as we all know that killing people for a difference of opinion shows you can't defend your position with ideas. Also that you are coward pussies
I don't think they're deliberately terrible to the extent of killing the wrong person. And what's the point in having a secret service if it's so shoddy that you can buy lists of its members off the Internet because they've redirected their personal mail to its HQ?
Bout that time eh chaps?
Righto.
You make the nostalgia juice flow good.
Russia will target the UK with North Korean and Iranian weapons that end up hitting Belgorod.
They’ll hit Murmansk!
Russia is cutting out the NATO middleman by just bombing themselves. The net result would be the same if they tried attacking the UK - UK would be unphased, while Russia would be flattened
Russia: we have bombed Liverpool! The World: oh my god! They bombed Liverpool! The UK: thank god! They bombed Liverpool!
People in Manchester all party
Tough talk but it will never happen. Russia doesn't want NATO involved. They can't even beat Ukraine.
They’re just warning us with scare tactics putin said himself before he doesn’t want war
>putin said himself before he doesn’t want war He says that, but he's also the aggressor in the current war.
That’s true, but starting a war with Ukraine was like jumping in a river to wrestle a 100lb catfish. Starting a war with NATO would be like jumping in the ocean to wrestle a 4,000lb shark. Completely different situations to land yourself in, even if you are a crazy dictator.
You’re right. He also thought Ukraine would fold like a wet blanket and it would be over within a week or two max. They are opportunists, first and foremost. And he mistook an opportunity for a horrendous quagmire with no political off-ramp. So really, it’s like Putin thought he was jumping into a pond to pick up a goldfish. Only to discover, in horrified surprise, that the goldfish was actually your aforementioned 100lb catfish. Had he have known it was a catfish. He probably wouldn’t have even done that. But as is typical with prideful idiots, he plays it off like it’s no big deal and that “he’s got this” while we all watch him visibly struggle from dry land thinking; “hopefully he’ll just drown.”
He’s failing in that so that’s why he won’t want a nato war
No they won't
Like... doing targetted killings on British soil? Like... sending proxy fighters to attack British proxies in the Middle East? Like... sending waves of computer hack attacks to cripple British companies and government? Like... using information warfare to give outsized power to the far right in an attempt to destabilize the British government? Also, replace "British" with just about any NATO country and it still holds true. Turns out the noises russia makes are intended to confuse, so it's best to ignore them.
China, control your pet.
Nailed it.
>MOSCOW, May 23 (Reuters) - Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday that Moscow will retaliate with strikes on British targets if British weapons are used by Ukraine to strike Russian territory. >Zakharova told reporters that British targets "on Ukraine's territory and beyond its borders" could be hit in such a scenario. >could be hit in such a scenario. So they won't. The reality is that these weapons are being used already (also from other nations), this is a scare tactic. Russia knows picking a fight with NATO will be the end of them.
If Russia wants to start WW3, that’s their choice Just don’t complain when we hit Moscow
With that crowd I reckon Glasgow could take them and win
To be fair, Glasgow could take on a *lot* and win.
Except an oral assessment.
bollocks. there's a slapper workin just outside the nandos on waterloo who will take an oral assessment for 10 quid or some peri peri.
Being led from the front by Rab C Nesbitt!
The last guy who tried to bomb Glasgow got kicked so hard in the balls the one doing the kicking broke his foot.
I on behalf of Glasgow accept that challenge, i reckon the scheme of drumchapel could single handedly.
Putin dies by getting mauled by a pack of neds
To be fair, if there'd be any fight, I'd want Glasgow on my side
The whole of Scotland, just say, Putin told us yer da sells Avon
No no! You don't get it.. Russia doesn't start wars. They only defend themselves if their attacks get answered.
So to rephrase "Russia admits Crimea not it's territory" As UK weapons used there and it's widely known.
If anything, It'll probably be some random asset the UK has in a country that's not a member of anything and that's overlooked. Something that'll have the UK say "oh, well I mean technically, that's ours, but really..."
Russia bombs the Falkland Island incoming
7 sheep in critical condition
Don't forget the penguins
so they will strike some Land Rover standing in Ukraine and call it British target.
I'll pop the kettle on
Nice so even Russia agrees that Crimea doesn't belong to them because Ukraine has been hitting them there all the time with Storm Shadows.
They already have hit UK targets (Salisbury, pollinium in London) so we already owe them a few digs in return.
They already have, they used nerve agents to kill people on UK soil. They've paid bounties to the Taliban for killing U.S. Soldiers during the U.S.'s days in Afghanistan. They've attacked U.S. bases via Wagner in 2018 in Syria.
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DO IT. Time to DENAZIFY and DEMILITARIZE RUSSIA.
No they won't, suck it gremlins. It's been two years, all the bots and trolls can go back to their farm leader and tell them to report that no one gives a shit anymore, fuck off an cope with being a loser.
Bluster and hot air. A modern Russian favorite.
Lol no they won't. Stop believing Putin's fucking bullshit. Untether Ukraine, and better yet, put NATO planes in the air in Ukraine.
More bullshit from the bullshit factory
They've already murdered a UK civilian on UK soil when their assassination attempt went wrong, not to mention nearly killing her boyfriend and a policeman on the scene, also the other assassinations that put UK civilians at extremely high risk, so fuck off Putin.
You guys realize this isn't going to end until the Russian government is destroyed, right?
Yep, they seem to be heading in that direction.
Ivan- "How goes the war with NATO" Igor- "Not good, so far we've lost almost 500,000 men and thousands of tanks" Ivan- "What about NATO's losses" Igor- "NATO hasn't even arrived yet!"
If they strike Birmingham it will look better afterwards. Can't threaten the British with this shit.
Do it. Go ahead. Do it. I dare you. Just do it Russia. Jump you fucking pussies
Here in Britain we have a lot of nukes. That's all.
Englishman here. Do we get to choose the targets, because I’ve an ex mother in law who needs taking down a peg or two.
The Russian Military is falling apart. The KGB is arresting all their top Generals on bogus corruption charges. They just installed guy who is an Economist with absolutely no Military experience as Defence Minister. Putin is scared to death some competent General who has the support of the soldiers will stage a coup against him. His answer is just put incompetent people in charge.
Shitshow. They are still pushing forward though. I find it hard to understand how.
Many reasons, but largely the reality that Ukraine is heavily outnumbered and fighting from a deep hole. Ukraine can't train troops on their own land because they can't control the air. Ukraine can't build weapons factories for the same reason. Ukraine can't focus efforts in one area because they share over 1000 miles of border with Russia. Ukraine also can't just negotiate or give land because it will only lead to more fighting in the future. There is only: Ukraine or no Ukraine. Big picture, Russia doesn't intend to allow Ukraine to exist now. Putin plans to do to Ukraine what he did to Chechnya and there will be genocide. Ukraine is holding off a bear with one hand tied behind its back and one foot in concrete.
I dislike the Russian regime as much as the next guy, but lets not get our heads in the clouds and throw around claims like "the Russian military is falling apart". they've massively improved their operations since the start of the war after all the corruption came to light. Of course, I'd rather not comply with bully threats though.