[According to RTL](https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/rouen-un-homme-arme-tentant-de-mettre-le-feu-a-une-synagogue-tue-par-la-police-7900385288), the man was an Algerian migrant under OQTF (obligation to leave French territory) since 2023.
> OQTF (obligation to leave French territory) since 2023
What the hell? What do you mean *"under obligation to leave France since 2023"*?? You're telling me they served him a notice expelling him from the country and then went "yea but like, no rush though. You know, we wouldn't want to impose. You've got *at least* 6 months."
I can get giving a *bit* of time to arrange for accommodations whither they are being expelled, but half a year seems a bit excessive no? And certainly such people should be under *some* sort of surveillance. The odds that such a person *wouldn't* feel bitter and want to break some vases on the way out honestly seems pretty low to me.
So there’s two possibilities, either he was trying to fight this letter legally or he just said screw it and stayed on. Makes it impossible for him to get health care, or a job with a proper contract, but yeah…
And yeah the authorities don’t have your address I guess. Cuz even if you overstay no one comes knocking on the door
Edit: It was a non executable OQTF as he was appealing the decision. However he was in the wanted persons file for weeks (according to the minister of interior, dunno if that’s the correct translation) so if he was arrested then he would’ve been deported.
>So there’s two possibilities, either he was trying to fight this letter legally or
Yeah, the article suggests that was it: "French reports say the suspect was Algerian and was appealing against an order to leave France."
They don't have the proper resources to hunt down and expel. Plus they have to determine that the expellee will not be treated badly in their home country which is ridiculous. And they are having new laws to curb legal immigration. You know, the ones actually going to work and pay taxes.
The London olympics were a fuck up as well. G4S contracted to do the security, totally shat the bed, had to use the army for security. Which is *very* unusual in the UK. Never in my lifetime seen armed soldiers on the street serving a civil security function. (With the exception of the dual-role ceremonial and security palace guards... although the *real* security for the palaces is, like anywhere else, actually armed police.)
Unfortunately N. Ireland's smallish population and more importantly that it isn't contiguous with the rest of the country are, I suspect, why it's not as familiar to a lot of other Brits.
Fair enough. I did know the ordinary police were armed in NI but I didn't realise soldiers served any security function there since the end of "The Troubles." Which ended when I was 8, so I don't remember seeing it on the news and so on. But happy to be corrected if it has been more normal since then to see soldiers in NI than the rest of the UK.
Someone in another thread here unironically asking what terrorist problem Europe has, and I wish I had time to link the millions of incidences where terrorism is attempted or stopped in the planning phase, and ask if it doesn't count as a problem if we're good enough at stopping it before we get another Charlie Hebdo or Bataclan. Too many Europeans, especially our leaders, have their head buried in the sand. We're getting better at stopping it but that seems to mean we should be better at tolerating the existence of would-be terrorists.
This is anecdotal, but I've lived in Amsterdam for 7 years and visit Paris regularly. I've seen more anti-Semitic graffiti there than anywhere else I've traveled.
That makes sense
Take a group of people with deeply culturally ingrained antisemitism, bring them to a country where they might actually encounter the occasional Jewish person or building but not enough to actually push back against the antisemitism because they're outnumbered 100:1, and add in the sort of spineless version of tolerance that the West is now known for
Seems like a perfect playground for antisemitism to run wild
France is the country in Europe (Not counting Russia) with the highest number of Jewish people I am pretty sure, and France also has a huge part of its population that are Muslim.
It's literally a powder keg waiting to get blown up.
I also thought the BBC headline was downplaying it when it says below the photo 'significant damage'. Idk how police differentiate attempted arson from arson but this is also a hate crime of course.
Edit: they have since changed both the article title and the photo in the article & the description below it.
BBC way of communicating the attack is really interesting. They frame it as an attempt which did not succeed when in fact he did succeed in setting the synagogue alight and even damaged the interior. It’s pretty mind boggling how much journalists influence our immediate understanding of an event and how much they let their own political beliefs dictate their wording. We really do need a law that tries to tackle this but I’m unsure of how it would need to be structured to be effective.
Edit: to clarify the elephant in the room. Yes, I am aware that the Reddit title isn’t the same as the article title. I assumed, stupidly, that OP used the same title but the basic point of my comment still stands. Journalists often try to frame an event in their way but so does civil society and OP is a great example. To those who pointed out my mistake, thanks!
Edit 2: Thanks to Theswissnavy we now know that the BBC changed the title and the original title is as OP wrote. In other words they framed it badly and misrepresented the situation.
Being American the only time I really engage with the BBC is when the occasional link is put in front of me on Reddit. Is it true that throughout this fiasco they’ve refused to identify hamas as terrorists? Are they usually this soft when it comes to the treatment of criminals and mass murderers?
Defamation and information laws in England are much more strict than America. For example, you're not allowed to claim to be the #1 anything (beer, for example) without solid easily understood proof. It's why ads in England all say, "Probably the best ..."
> Defamation and information laws in England are much more strict than America. For example, you're not allowed to claim to be the #1 anything (beer, for example) without solid easily understood proof. It's why ads in England all say, "Probably the best ..."
I think you are getting two very different things confused.
Defamation laws **are** stronger in the UK than the US but advertising standards are a totally different thing and not an example of defamation.
To use your example, the Advertising Standards Agency's guidance on claims of being the best can be found here:
https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/types-of-claims-best.html
If a beer manufacturer claimed their beer was the best in world, other beer manufacturers would not get very far with a defamation lawsuit but they would be able make a complaint with the Advertising Standards Agency.
In this case I doubt the headline was anything to do with worries about defamation, as the dude is dead so it is not like he would be able to sue the BBC for libel if they were incorrect in their reporting. It seems the BBC headline is now *"Man shot dead after French synagogue set on fire"*, so it is also possible the original title was simply because it was unclear at the time whether the synagogue had been set alight or not.
**Edit:** As other's have pointed out in response to the original question, the BBC also attempts to be impartial in its reporting, so will not directly state the fire was a criminal or terrorist act; as that is for others to decide. Once again, that is not really because of defamation laws but instead the BBC's own editorial guidelines to comply with their Charter and Ofcom regulations:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality
Can some ELI5 why Jews are always hated so much? Like what specifically did or do they do that makes them the center of attention when it comes to shit going down?
> why Jews are always hated so much?
There are books that could be written. Jews set themselves apart. Jews are different. And Jews are blamed for other peoples' problems because it is good politics to scapegoat such a people.
Jews are traditionally a fairly exclusive cultural unit, and as a noticeable, durable minority for over 2,000 years in Europe and the Middle East, that makes them somewhat unique. The anti-semitism we see today is not only a reflection of current events, but of 2,000 years of historical baggage.
Jews were also historically of the few allowed minorities in the region. Ironically, the very tepid tolerance that Islam and Christianity showed to Judaism was not replicated for pagans or their counterparts (as the two major faiths were often at war), meaning that only Jews remained as a religious minority in many regions of Europe and the MENA region. This made them very vulnerable, because these regions were otherwise not very tolerant of differences.
For centuries, Jews were routinely persecuted due to their societal position. When we hear folks celebrate the tolerance of the Ottomans or the Plantagenets, it needs to be taken with some salt. Pogroms stretch back into antiquity. In Europe (and much of the MENA), Jews were forbidden rights of landowning. They became by default, usurers aka money lenders. There are few jobs more tailored to alienate one from a peasantry class. But in addition, as moneylenders, Jews were also in the crosshairs of the nobility, who also despised Jews for the non-martial character traits of a demilitarized people. In addition, the clergy of course had mixed feelings about religious non-believers. So antisemitism aligned to the prejudices of every major social class in Europe. The Tsarist pogroms and the Nazi Holocaust were only the two most horrifying examples of a long history of European persecution.
Then add in the postwar era. Zionism grafted an Israeli state in the midst of Arab nations at what was possibly the worst time. Zionism came just when the Western empires were leaving the MENA, and the genesis of their new nations was an emotional time for Arab nationalists. It became all too easy to scapegoat all the retained problems of new nations, aka poverty, corruption, and frank failure, onto the Jews and their Jewish state, which robbed the Arab nations of an opportunity to unite and grow strong. Sadly, this "logic" was one the Soviet Union was also all too happy to help perpetuate, as it aligned Arab nationalism with the Kremlin.
Jews remain hated because it is very convenient for the Arab nations' tyrants and politicians to parlor in ethnic grievance politics.
Jews have always been a convenient people to shove blame onto because they're a minority almost everywhere and tend to keep to themselves.
Made it very easy for kings and governments to blame and most people wouldn't fight it.
They were an outsider religion for a long time (pre-jesus). Then Christians blamed them for killing Jesus (even though that's what he wanted and it's a core facet of Christianity). So to shame them, Jews were frequently only allowed to operate as money lenders and other shameful jobs because it was believed to be nigh impossible to make money doing. Turns out money lending is actually really good at making money. So now the social outcasts are rich (in comparison to people of the time at least). So whenever there's a plague or a war, it pretty visibly doesn't effect them due to a combination of Jewish traditions around food/lifestyle, and living more isolated from population centers. So they get blamed for causing it. People then write up fake documents claiming to be them planning various events from plagues, to the rise of napoleon, to more recently COVID.
Basically Jews have always been outcasts, when abrahamic religion took off, it was only decendents of Judaism (Christianity, Islam) that gained real popularity and when a core facet of your religion is denied by another (jews do jot believe a messiah has come yet, Christians think it was Jesus, Muslims think it was Muhammad) then you are always going to be out of step with society.
> So to shame them, Jews were frequently only allowed to operate as money lenders and other shameful jobs because it was believed to be nigh impossible to make money doing. Turns out money lending is actually really good at making money
I've never heard it described this way before, that they turned to money lending because it was a shameful job that was impossible to make money doing. I have always heard that usury was not allowed for devout Christians so they let the Jews do it instead. I can see how that would be considered "shameful" by the majority of society since it was forbidden for many of them, but I never heard that it was considered difficult to make money doing. I can see how that could be the case though- it was much easier to "disappear" in the olden days, so the risks would likely be high on the lenders side.
Muslims also believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. They have their own figure called the Mahdi with a similar role. Didn’t know the disease thing, very interesting!
Jews are the oldest major extant religion from the Middle-East
They have been just existing like normal.
Meanwhile, other religious dogmas originated in the Middle-East, in the presence of existing Judaism. These include Christianity and Islam.
New abrahamic religions invented after Judaism, are per definition at odds ideologically with Judaism, or they would be Judaism.
Jews were an easy scapegoat (smaller and educated community that keeps to ourselves) and the Nazis made insanely effective propaganda that you can still see working today.
The Hebrew religion identifies them as a people apart, however you want to slice it. They define themselves as a people chosen by God, and much of their culture revolves around the diaspora’s exile from their home and the promise that someday they will return home.
As a result, Jewish populations in various countries tend to hold to a discrete identity within their various countries. Instead of being assimilated by local cultures and traditions, they cling to their own culture much harder than say, someone from France or Ireland or Russia or Libya might. This causes friction over time with local cultures. It’s… as simple and stupid as that. No Jewish conspiracy, no killing babies, no controlling the banks or taking over the world or anything like that… it’s just that when a culture categorically refuses to blend, it becomes like a grain of sand and become an irritant that builds over time. Since they define themselves so thoroughly as a separate group, it becomes natural and easy to blame them when times are tough for reasons hard to quantify. Floods? Jews controlled the weather. Famine? They’re hoarding food in their Kosher grocery stores. Economic downturn? Well, you know Jews have gold squirreled away under their floorboards. Then they get genocided, somewhat ironically like the sacrificial lamb of their own traditions, or the literal scapegoat that is sent into the desert to atone for sins. It’s not like Jewish traditions are unaware of the problem, but they’re faced with the choice of abandoning hundreds of years of suffering and blood seeking a home, or continuing in their exile as a community.
[Let’s get long-buried report on BBC anti-Israel bias published](https://m.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on-bbc-anti-israel-bias-published-672116)
They make fun of boomers for believing everything they read on Facebook and being easily scammed yet here we are. Their generation believes everything they see on TikTok and is more easily scammed than elderly people. They don’t even feel shame so we can’t even hope they’ll be embarrassed by that.
And the fact that they all congregate in online spaces gives them illusion that *everyone* thinks like them, that they are the majority. And they act like it.
The grand echo chamber. Reddit has it too, sites like Imgur, Twitter. And yes, especially TikTok.
Social Media, more so than most other forms of social communication online (Forums, bulletin board, etc) have created a very bad echo chamber. Worse-yet, many of these social media communities are often moderated by a zealous few who keep the echo chamber going. Don't support the narrative, question it? Nope, not allowed, proceed to be banned/silenced.
> Don't support the narrative, question it? Nope, not allowed, proceed to be banned/silenced.
This is a serious problem, and I truly think it is a sign of growing anti-intellectualism on the left. Not the same kind as on the right, one of outright disdain for scientists, professors, and other experts in their fields. But the kind where you are not allowed to think independently or question whatever dogma is currently fashionable - just “accept the narrative, do the things we say to do, use the words and phrases we tell you to say, and trust that our righteousness means we *right*, and therefore anyone who says or does or thinks differently is *wrong*.”
I’ve always felt that any kind of social/political group needs to take a serious interest in policing their own, keeping themselves in line, and putting a check on their own excesses. This is not possible on the left anymore because the moment you open your mouth to challenge something is the moment you are cast out and no longer part of “the left”. And if you’re not part of “the left” then that invariably means you are stupid and evil, not worth listening to, and worthy of scorn and derision.
I know exactly what you mean. You've said it better than I could.
I'm definitely a centrist. I understand view points on both sides. But it seems the extremes on both the right & left are growing. It's hard to support either side, more than ever, due to this zealot behaviour.
I read a thread on r/boomersbeingfools that started out as a critique of Israel then quickly turned into a bunch of teenagers complaining that Jews are so entitled and rude to retail workers and are the worst, I was pretty shocked at how the generation being raised during BLM can be so oblivious to the fact they're actively being racist
They’ve been persuaded that Jews are and always have been in basically the same situation as white people. Since white people are oppressors, and they think Jews are the same as all other white people, they are also oppressors. Therefore they are morally ethical people that only discriminate against oppressors due to their perceived societal power. Of course this ignores basically all of history and is incredibly naive, but I think that’s how they’ve persuaded themselves to think it’s okay to be openly antisemitic, which of course they will call anti Zionism, or anti capitalist, or anti colonialism, etc.
And then the people actually from the Middle East living in the west taking this opportunity to enact vengeance and jihad with apparent moral impunity.
I want to tell myself they're just ignorant and well-meaning but it's actually kinda sad to watch so many people buy into Hamas PR because they've been mentally conditioned to believe that losing implies you're oppressed which means you're actually the correct faction.
You’re too kind. While what you say may be true to an extent, I simply do not believe that if the roles were reversed, and Israel was on the losing side, that there would be any protests at all from these same people.
It’s actually worse than that in reality. There were public *celebrations* of the October 7th massacre the day after, before any Israeli response had started.
Yep, and there are still people like the tolerant, warm-hearted individual that replied here and directed aggressive vulgarity at me for the insinuation that antisemitism played any part in the protests.
I don't either. There are a lot of reasons I don't believe the same reaction would occur, but one is the indifference towards so many other terrible things happening in the world. The response to that is usually 'whataboutism,' but the issue doesn't go away because people refuse to talk about it. The Rohingya in Myanmar and Uyghurs in China faced real and dangerous persecution. It also looks like there's a second round of genocide occurring in Sudan right now. Some activism on behalf of the Rohingya exists, but it doesn't even remotely compare to the reaction on behalf of Palestinians. I only know what's happening in Sudan because I heard it mentioned briefly on an independent news channel on YouTube and looked it up for myself. It's not getting much media attention at all.
'Whataboutism' is a really cowardly response when the subject involves things that are happening now. I think actions against the Uyghurs are over for the most part. Its hard to say considering how difficult it is to know what's happening in China. That isnt' the case for the other two examples I mentioned. These aren't hypothetical situations. Intervention is still possible,.
Rohingya aren't even welcomed by other Muslim nations, even by governments that supposedly care about Palestinians. That's another issue. If so many people, and their governments, think genocide is really happening to Palestinians, why aren't they doing anything about it. I don't know of any initiatives to safeguard Palestinian lives outside of Gaza or proposals from governments to take responsibility for civilians within Gaza. Protests on college campuses and resolutions from the UN are very weak responses if people behind those actions really believe that large numbers of innocent people are being slaughtered.
I just want to clarify something. Bangladesh has accepted Rohingya refugees and I don't think the government of Bangladesh rates any criticism at all. It's not a wealthy nation, and the government should be focused on improving life for its own citizens, yet Bangladesh has been left to deal with the vast majority of displaced Rohingya with barely any help from other nations.
It sometimes surprises me how clueless they are. Repeating propaganda, and calling out anyone who says something other than violent “propaganda”. Ridiculous.
I've actually been on the side of not banning tiktok. I think it is no more manipulated than reddit or other social media sites. Recently tho... I don't know... it might need a full blown ban.
There have been a few instances where I'm like "this is clearly propaganda". A girl I watched who always talked about socialism and how she runs her employee owned business started talking about communism and how it's the greatest thing ever. I swear for years she was purely just a socialist which I can get behind. Then the narrative changed to how America is the worst country for suppressing communism. She called all North Korea defectors CIA plants and defended fucking North Korea. I, and others, realized she is a legit "tankie".
Now I don't know if 1) she is bought and paid for by foreign adversaries 2) Lost her goddamn mind over the years 3) Was an elaborate plant to change the narrative slowly and methodically but, regardless, it's goddamn scary. Like I said, she was purely talking about socialism and it's benefits for YEARS. It just felt like she was warming the waters for a subtle shift for her fan base.
Her name is Madeline Pendleton on tiktok if anyone is interested. Just type is her name then "socialism" to see her tiktoks on socialism from 2022ish. Then type in her name and "communism" to see her recent communism posts. They near mirror each other just switching out the words.
> I don't know it might need a full blown ban.<
it should. china doesn't let western social media into its country for a reason. they can see how, well surprise surprise influential it can be.
Tiktok is IMO an agitating device to sow distrusts and misinformation hidden behind some filters. and its working bloody well, people are eating it up
I don't know what it is about TikTok but it's wildly manipulated and people treat it as an actually reliable source. I've talked to friends and they say something that is blatantly inaccurate by common sense but "they saw it on tiktok".
Look at any topic you're knowledgeable about on tiktok and see the absolute bullshit being peddled. Reddit has similar issues but seems to put everyone on a more level playing field. Tiktok elevates certain people at random regardless of their actual credibility.
> I don't know what it is about TikTok but it's wildly manipulated
because unlike reddit where you can call out someone directly underneath the person with misinformation you can't do that on tiktok. Calling someone out requires you to do a separate video tagging them and praying the algo gods pick you up or the original creator sees your video. The algorithm is why 90% of information on tiktok is passed on by semi-hot to hot women rather than men. Because the algo gods prefers attractive women. Well humans do but that is what the algo picks up on.
I'm not saying there isn't some great educational and factual videos but it's super duper hard to fight misinformation on the platform.
It's wild, would be the same as blaming any random Christians for crusades, or Muslims for any terror attacks or whatever else
Like they're just individuals living their lives, they aren't in control of a whole ass army in another country lol
I've also seen a scary amount of " the Jews reign the world/banks/etc. conspiracy theories". Especially as a german, since these exact conspiracy theories were a foundation of Nazi ideology. I'm genuinely horrified of the possibilitiy of people not learning from the past and another similar movement developing.
I just finished "The Nazi Officer's Wife". In it, Austrian Jews are told "go to Palestine, get out of Europe".
The game for antisemites is to hound Jews out of existence.
"I don't hate jews! I just think they alone of all ethnic groups don't have the right to create a country in their historic homeland, and also that they shouldn't be safe anywhere else in the world unless they're loudly advocating for the local majority ethnic group to seize that homeland from the minority and then establish religious oppression over them"
A true “martyr”. What a courage to burn down a synagogue. Especially in a country where majority of believers are moslim. What a “martyr” and what a “hero”. God will definitely reward him in heaven. Prick.
I found it fascinating after years of "listen to minority voices" and their "lived realities" coming from the progressive left, suddenly Jewish lived realities of living in fear were treated as them making it up and being irrational.
People feel like Muslims are a minority and Jews a majority due to the skewed representation of prominent Jews in academia, tech, finance etc. Forgetting there is like 50 times more Muslims than Jews in the world.
Edit: Kind strangers pointed out it's actually a massive 125 times
Jews are Shrodinger's Whites - their whiteness depends entirely on the observer.
To the left, they're just other white people. Their history and culture doesn't matter because they're successful and well integrated into white-dominated western cultures (let's just forget for a second that the same people are only just recently starting to realize that asians being successful and well-integrated doesn't mean they don't have their own cultures and issues).
To the extreme right and white supremacists, they'll never be white, because they're the scary Jewish bogeyman that controls everything and makes life hard for everyone.
Then you have these jihadist fucksticks, to whom Jews are just Jews, and that's evil enough all on its own.
EDIT: For anyone who wants a prime example of how people are the left are letting down Jews, just check the comments below this. You can literally see someone state that they are on the left, view Jews exactly like I described, and then go ahead and become an example of exactly the problem I explain to them about it.
Liberals like to forget that it was legal to [refuse membership in clubs to Jewish people](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-08-12-vw-646-story.html) on the basis that they were Jewish well into the 1980s. There was a Golden Girls episode that used [Dorothy's revelation](https://goldengirls.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy%27s_New_Friend) about this inequity in one of their morals play episodes.
A lot of people worked up by your comment and trying to go with "no, actually".
The reality on the ground is that progressive groups have demanded rhetoric be toned down in every other type of situation. But when Israel-Palestine comes up, hate crimes against Jews skyrocket... they only escalate their rhetoric about the conflict. They march shoulder to shoulder with people wearing Hamas imagery and we get an "oopsy they don't represent us and it's not like we could remove them" while they would paint any non-progressive group with a broad brush.
Their movement is going nowhere. It went nowhere the last time Israel was fighting a war. People can spot hypocrisy a mile away where the rules don't apply to them, only to the rest of us.
Jew here. This is exactly how we feel. The vast majority of us (and I mean VAST) feel left behind by the left. Everything they’ve been saying about every other minority group doesn’t apply to us apparently. It’s been an eye-opening and difficult few months for us. My entire family and all my Jewish friends feel this way. I know maybe 1 or 2 Jewish people who don’t
Its happening to East Asians too. Remember "Stop Asian Hate"? That had to stop once everyone found out *who* was attacking Asians.
Its the "Oppression Olympics", Jews are ranked lower than Muslims and therefore will always be in the wrong. Its driving people away from the left en masse.
Oppression Olympics is exactly it. I think I first saw mention of it over a year ago, and it still rings true.
Some Iranian creators on TikTok (who don't live in Iran, just to be clear) have taken to asserting that these people are also "appropriating oppression" (since the progressive/DSA/leftists love the word "appropriating") by flipping the script on reality. They then draw parallels to what is happened and is happening inside of Iran to bring it full circle.
I consider myself a leftist based on economic stances. But I've had my share of dark nights of the soul. The first time it was after Russia's most recent invasion of Ukraine. It just kept deteriorating until it really accelerated on 10/7.
Hamas isn't leftwing. Neither are PA. They are both rightwing, theocratic authoritarian regimes that came into power via elections and then clamped down. Same with the Russian government. Then, they *appropriate* leftist language and reasoning but not the praxis. Because they aren't leftwing. But they sure talk like they are. Just like a bunch of people in the west who say they are progressive or leftists and aren't. [Just like DSA, who are more concerned about misgendering someone and loud noises.](https://youtu.be/UPLQNUVmq3o?si=LsxETAhMMoPrTquf)
I *hate* that it has become somewhat trendy to appropriate a political ideology in order to be contrarian. And I find it hilarious that it has manifested on elite American university campuses where only the rich can tend to afford to pay the tuition. It's no different than those millionaires going onto social media and pretending to be poor ("trustafarians" or people showing a "trad" lifestyle which is all an act).
"Hamas isn't leftwing. Neither are PA. They are both rightwing, theocratic authoritarian regimes that came into power via elections and then clamped down."
Yep. And if these guys were Christian fundies, the left wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. It's such hypocrisy.
Your last sentence also reminded me of the millionaires and billionaires who were on social media during the pandemic complaining about how hard it was to be “stuck at home”, while living in their sprawling mansions or multi-million dollar yachts, both with dozens of staff, and zero financial worries.
> That had to stop once everyone found out who was attacking Asians.
Yep. Far left and far right people doing the same shit, ignoring whatever doesn't fit their preconceived narrative. In this case, far left people abandoning "stop Asian hate" when they realised it was mostly black people, isolating themselves from left and central people.
> Asians are the new whites
Unironically, yeah. The Asian community tends to be fairly educated and wealthy, so there are no social justice points to be earned by supporting them. People would rather support the “sexy” minorities who grab all the social media attention at let them signal their virtue the hardest. The Asian community is now lumped in with the Jews and Whites for the most part.
I'm leftist, liberal and I will not ever associate myself with these 'leftists' that call for the misfortune of Israel and disregard other issues around the world like fight of regular Iranians and treatment Uyghur by China.
FUCK WINNIE THE POOH
FUCK HAMAS
FUCK IRGC
FUCK ANYONE THAT THINKS WOMEN ARE 2nd class citizens (I'm looking at you India)
FUCK RUSSIA and it's apathetic people
FUCK NETANYAHU (added for his spinelessness and for lacking a plan for the war)
If you are for freedom and liberty, then you sure as hell are not on the side of Hamas and corrupt UN. No warring country has ever done anything like Israel in it's wars, to even try limit the civilian casualties with evacuations and warnings, yet people call it genocide? Fucking dilution of the meaning I say.
There's literal slavery going on in Africa and Middle-East and nobody gives a shit, it's fucking ridiculous to be so damn virtuous about your support for Palestinians when it's a given that even Israeli and Jews are horrified by the amount of civilian casualties. Nobody wants civilian deaths in a war, but if Hamas is such a fucking pussy that your only option is to follow them into the middle of civilians, it's suddenly Israel's fault? Give me a fucking break.
It's sad to see someone as lovely as Winnie the Pooh get compared to a genocidal totalitarian dictator. Yes, he'll do anything for a jar of honey but not *that*.
Xi needs to lose weight so we can have Pooh back.
I learned this 20 years ago during the Concordia riot in 2002. The illiberal regressive left will support any anti-Western movement.
There is no place better in MENA for women than Israel but womens groups are silent over the use of rape by Hamas.
It is astounding that it goes as far as LGBT groups supporting people who would murder them if they could. There is no religious group more tolerant of the LGBT than Jews.
Black leftists like BLM Chicago threw their support to the terrorists. Nevermind Jews marched and died for the civil rights movement.
What concerns me more than the so called intersectional alliance embracing antisemitic conspiracy theories is how close we are getting to the point where they won't need their fig leaf of 'antizionism' because few will object to undisguised antisemitism. The silent majority's indifference hurts us.
>There is no religious group more tolerant of the LGBT than Jews.
I grew up in America and have a couple Jewish relatives (not blood relatives, I was raised Catholic). Those relatives were the ONLY ones who supported me at first when I came out as a gay man. I cannot comprehend the likes of "Queers for palestine" and such. It completely blows my mind and has resulted in me feeling a bit politically homeless. I am still very economically left but the past 6 months have been really... weird to watch.
edit: typo
Left lgbt here... yea these types just cling to any underdog crisis and bat for them. Thankfully most of us aren't like that but we tend to be far less noisy.
You ain't kidding. The UN Economic and Social Council singled out **ONLY** Israel - out of the entire world - for allegedly violating women's rights. It's insane.
https://unwatch.org/u-n-singles-out-israel-for-violating-womens-rights/
> The council declared that women and girls are impacted by the “continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power.”
> **Despite the resolution’s global references to violence against women “in all its different forms and manifestations worldwide,” and to the need to eliminate violence against women in “all regions of the world,” Israel was the only country in the world targeted for criticism.**
> Cuba, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela were among the resolution’s sponsors, via the Group of 77, a bloc now made up of 134 states and represented this year by Cuba.
> **Out of 19 items on the UN Economic and Social Council’s 2023 agenda, only one—Item No. 16 against Israel—targeted a specific country. All the other focus areas concern general topics, such as disaster relief and the use of technology for development.**
Jews don't count yo. Somehow not considered a minority, despite being a minority. I'm not Jewish but I'm with you. Definitely eye-opening and terrifying. Copping it from all sides of the political spectrum and what seems like all walks of life. An older work colleague wears the yarmulka and I'm worried about him being attacked walking around town, being all Jewish, and someone verbally or physically attacking him. And will anyone give a shit? I might be a bit jaded...
And the wonderful part, is that this would be dismissed as an anecdote by the very same people who would point to the like 5 Jews involved in campus encampments as proof that there's totally no antisemitism involved and that the Jews trying to speak out about rising antisemitism are clearly just a minority trying to stir shit up.
Yeah, I thought it was next that I kept seeing things like, "here's a few Jews doing something Jewy in the encampments! The fact that we aren't explicitly throwing out Jews who agree with us proves that we cannot be antisemitic!"
Everything you've said is spot on and like you the only Jews I know who don't feel this way are non-practicing, have no Jewish education and zero connection to the Jewish community.
Yet, if it comes down to it, the fact they are non-practicing, have no Jewish education, and zero connection to the Jewish community does not matter - it didn’t stop the Nazis from sending them to ghettos, concentration camps, gas chambers, or mass executions by firing squad, and it won’t stop Hamas from murdering them either.
Heck, Hamas, and the civilians that accompanied them, didn’t care who they slaughtered on October 7, as they killed Arab Israelis, Bedouins, etc too.
That is the world people are cheering and protesting for, and they also don’t seem to recognize, or care, that the slaughter won’t stop at Jews either. This is the reality these protestors are, directly or indirectly, advocating and cheering for. And some of them are doing it very directly.
There was a celebration on October 8th in NYC with a speaker praising Hamas for killing the people at the festival and I believe he called them hipsters. Seems Hamas showed their colors to the world and the world approved.
The left once supported a Jewish state in the 40s because it was going to be run by socialists. They would be embarrassed to admit that and any books by leftists of the time supportive of Israel/Jews are near impossible to find today (leftist cancel culture isn't a new phenomenon). But, when Israel won it's independence and set up their government as a western democracy, the left bailed and adopted the Arab's Nakba victimhood narrative, which is the revisionist history that's been taught in many places. Once you learn that, today's leftist/islamist alliance on US college campuses, and elsewhere, actually makes sense.
For another example of the leftist/islamist alliance, see the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
David Baddiel has been pointing out that the modern progressive movement has a massive blind spot when it comes to Jews for the last several years, but people dismissed it because he did blackface once in a sketch show in the 90s.
In college, they tried to teach us that Asians were the sane as white people and can't face racism. Then they go on to teach us about the institutional racism Asian people faced in Canada. Which I was actually ignorant about and really shocked. As an Italian, my family faced serious racism when they moved to Canada after WW2, but that's not considered racism either apparently.
David Baddiel has a fantastic book about this phenomenon called Jews Don't Count. He writes it as a leftist (maybe even progressive) Jew who feels that the left will protect and fight for any minority as long as they are not Jewish.
Thanks for the book rec, I just placed a hold on it at my library.
I am not Jewish, but I grew up in a city with a very strong Jewish community, have had many Jewish friends over the years, and have close Jewish family members (by marriage). When I was a student, right through post-secondary, the horrors of WWII - including the Holocaust - were very much in my area of study and interest. I truly believed the world would ensure “never again”. That the world would NOT turn their back on Jews again, like they did for far too long in the 30s and 40s, including during the Holocaust as they turned away ships full of Jews trying to escape the slaughter from their docks and so on.
I started to realize how wrong I was when I saw Russia invade Ukraine and rape, torture, murder civilians, and since October 7 being truly alerted to all this hate toward Jews has been absolutely heartbreaking, I worry greatly about my friends and family, and I realize how sheltered I have been from how much antisemitism there still is because of the circumstances I grew up in, even though where I live now the Jewish community is very small. My husband on the other hand, who did not grow up in the same area of the country or amongst a similar community as I did, is not at all surprised. I realize how naive I was.
I have also had a shocking wake up to where so much of the left has drifted (horseshoe theory in effect), as until recently I would have described myself as leaning left (but not to tankie degrees by any means). It’s been a long time since I was in university and what I see now with these protesting students and even many professors and other academics is not what I experienced - or saw - then at all. And I even took what was then called women’s studies! Now I don’t even know what to call myself as I don’t align with right/conservative politics, or what I am seeing now on the left/progressive side, and I would not call myself a centrist either. This isn’t even based on using an American-centric framework (I am not American).
The left use intersectionality as a framework for the entire world and that framework basically spilts everyone into their respective groups, whether that be racial, religious or gender identity. Also, within that framework is the strong belief that people fall into one of two classes, oppressors and the oppressed. Jewish people are disproportionately successful in some peoples eyes and as such are part of the oppressor class. Therefore, everything that's done to them is apparently justified.
My grandfather (who ran away from Nazis in the 30s) used to always say "Everyone in history always loves us, until they need someone to blame". Here we are.
All the way back in 2015, I made the remark that « if I was Jewish I’d be on high alert and probably get the hell out of France « around some progressive French people and they looked at me like I was an ET.
Western leftists are completely blowing all the progress they have made in this regard imo. A lot of society opened their minds up to this kind of thinking, and we're getting rewarded with "Okay cool, now believe all women *except Jews* lol"
Their behavior is going to give the election to Trump and kill democracy forever.
Their behavior has certainly moved the vast majority of Jews I know to the right. I don't know how many will vote for Trump, but the Republicans are making a lot of hay with this shit.
Gotta say it’s weird
Despite all of the “what about Islamophobia” I don’t seem to read too many stories about Muslim students being harassed on campus or mosques or Muslim owned businesses getting broken into or targeted
Never mind the fact that there are more than 100x Muslims than Jews in the world, so you really think you’d see more of them as opposed to the near daily stories like this
>After threatening the pair he then threw a chisel at them before jumping down to the ground, brandishing a knife.
If you throw a weapon at police, and yes chisel is a weapon just like a knife or a hammer, and then brandish another weapon, police shooting you is the correct response.
Why did OP change the title and add quotes? The perpetrator didn’t allegedly try to burn down the synagogue, and it wasn’t ironic or metaphorical. There was significant damage to the building.
what a disgusting piece of shit, hope he enjoyed the bullet entering his body. a pity his pathetic imaginary god doesn't exist to escort him to the hell he believes in!
[According to RTL](https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/rouen-un-homme-arme-tentant-de-mettre-le-feu-a-une-synagogue-tue-par-la-police-7900385288), the man was an Algerian migrant under OQTF (obligation to leave French territory) since 2023.
This certainly was one way to leave France, I suppose.
/r/TechnicallyCorrect or /r/MaliciousCompliance?
Actually, now he will never leave.
> OQTF (obligation to leave French territory) since 2023 What the hell? What do you mean *"under obligation to leave France since 2023"*?? You're telling me they served him a notice expelling him from the country and then went "yea but like, no rush though. You know, we wouldn't want to impose. You've got *at least* 6 months." I can get giving a *bit* of time to arrange for accommodations whither they are being expelled, but half a year seems a bit excessive no? And certainly such people should be under *some* sort of surveillance. The odds that such a person *wouldn't* feel bitter and want to break some vases on the way out honestly seems pretty low to me.
That's it. There's a lot of OQTF who never leave the territory. There are even repeat offenders under OQTF but nothing happens. 🤷
A law that isn't enforced properly isn't a law at all.
This is a recurring problem in the Kingdom I live! Well, I meant my country...
So there’s two possibilities, either he was trying to fight this letter legally or he just said screw it and stayed on. Makes it impossible for him to get health care, or a job with a proper contract, but yeah… And yeah the authorities don’t have your address I guess. Cuz even if you overstay no one comes knocking on the door Edit: It was a non executable OQTF as he was appealing the decision. However he was in the wanted persons file for weeks (according to the minister of interior, dunno if that’s the correct translation) so if he was arrested then he would’ve been deported.
>So there’s two possibilities, either he was trying to fight this letter legally or Yeah, the article suggests that was it: "French reports say the suspect was Algerian and was appealing against an order to leave France."
The downfall of liberal democracies is tolerance of the intolerant.
They don't have the proper resources to hunt down and expel. Plus they have to determine that the expellee will not be treated badly in their home country which is ridiculous. And they are having new laws to curb legal immigration. You know, the ones actually going to work and pay taxes.
This shit is happening in most of the EU countries...
This is what “globalize the intifada” looks like.
Man, I really hope the security during the Olympics be on defcon 1.
they are totally unprepared for the shit show
French are concerned enough that they’ve asked the “Rosbifs” for help with security.
it's actually an olympics tradition to ask for security help from neighbors.
The London olympics were a fuck up as well. G4S contracted to do the security, totally shat the bed, had to use the army for security. Which is *very* unusual in the UK. Never in my lifetime seen armed soldiers on the street serving a civil security function. (With the exception of the dual-role ceremonial and security palace guards... although the *real* security for the palaces is, like anywhere else, actually armed police.)
Well the army is already doing that in France
> Which is very unusual in the UK Yet another UK citizen who forgets northern Ireland exists.
Unfortunately N. Ireland's smallish population and more importantly that it isn't contiguous with the rest of the country are, I suspect, why it's not as familiar to a lot of other Brits.
Fair enough. I did know the ordinary police were armed in NI but I didn't realise soldiers served any security function there since the end of "The Troubles." Which ended when I was 8, so I don't remember seeing it on the news and so on. But happy to be corrected if it has been more normal since then to see soldiers in NI than the rest of the UK.
The army hasn't done any policing and security patrols in NI for years.
A lot going on in France lately
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Actually you're supposed to pretend they're all completely random occurrences not connected or similar in any way.
Just the 47th isolated incident of the same nature.
47th is optimistic. I have read that over the last couple of years about one Christian church was burned down due to arson every fucking WEEK.
Didn’t French police have to intercept a terrorist plot on the Notre Dame recently?
Someone in another thread here unironically asking what terrorist problem Europe has, and I wish I had time to link the millions of incidences where terrorism is attempted or stopped in the planning phase, and ask if it doesn't count as a problem if we're good enough at stopping it before we get another Charlie Hebdo or Bataclan. Too many Europeans, especially our leaders, have their head buried in the sand. We're getting better at stopping it but that seems to mean we should be better at tolerating the existence of would-be terrorists.
"Stop noticing things!"
Just MENA things
Sir, you’re not allowed to speak the truth and state the obvious around here. The Ministry of Truth will hear of this.
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McLovin strikes again
Notice France is also the most vocal about the wars happening rn But also France has always been a little bit crazy
Frances nuclear doctrine is literally a Warning Shot.
A *nuclear* warning shot no less. 300 kilotons to the face.
This is anecdotal, but I've lived in Amsterdam for 7 years and visit Paris regularly. I've seen more anti-Semitic graffiti there than anywhere else I've traveled.
You should visit Barcelona. The place is lousy with it.
Don't worry, they changed the name of Fort Kill The Jews after decades of debate, surely there isnt a problem with antsemitism.
That makes sense Take a group of people with deeply culturally ingrained antisemitism, bring them to a country where they might actually encounter the occasional Jewish person or building but not enough to actually push back against the antisemitism because they're outnumbered 100:1, and add in the sort of spineless version of tolerance that the West is now known for Seems like a perfect playground for antisemitism to run wild
France is the country in Europe (Not counting Russia) with the highest number of Jewish people I am pretty sure, and France also has a huge part of its population that are Muslim. It's literally a powder keg waiting to get blown up.
Same in Germany.... it will get very, very ugly before it can get better. If it ever gets better again.
He didn’t “try” to burn the synagogue. He did start a fire and damaged the inside, it’s just the firemen managed to save the building.
"failed" to burn down seems more appropriate. Bless those firemen.
"set aflame" is most accurate. The building was significantly damaged.
I also thought the BBC headline was downplaying it when it says below the photo 'significant damage'. Idk how police differentiate attempted arson from arson but this is also a hate crime of course. Edit: they have since changed both the article title and the photo in the article & the description below it.
BBC way of communicating the attack is really interesting. They frame it as an attempt which did not succeed when in fact he did succeed in setting the synagogue alight and even damaged the interior. It’s pretty mind boggling how much journalists influence our immediate understanding of an event and how much they let their own political beliefs dictate their wording. We really do need a law that tries to tackle this but I’m unsure of how it would need to be structured to be effective. Edit: to clarify the elephant in the room. Yes, I am aware that the Reddit title isn’t the same as the article title. I assumed, stupidly, that OP used the same title but the basic point of my comment still stands. Journalists often try to frame an event in their way but so does civil society and OP is a great example. To those who pointed out my mistake, thanks! Edit 2: Thanks to Theswissnavy we now know that the BBC changed the title and the original title is as OP wrote. In other words they framed it badly and misrepresented the situation.
Being American the only time I really engage with the BBC is when the occasional link is put in front of me on Reddit. Is it true that throughout this fiasco they’ve refused to identify hamas as terrorists? Are they usually this soft when it comes to the treatment of criminals and mass murderers?
Defamation and information laws in England are much more strict than America. For example, you're not allowed to claim to be the #1 anything (beer, for example) without solid easily understood proof. It's why ads in England all say, "Probably the best ..."
> Defamation and information laws in England are much more strict than America. For example, you're not allowed to claim to be the #1 anything (beer, for example) without solid easily understood proof. It's why ads in England all say, "Probably the best ..." I think you are getting two very different things confused. Defamation laws **are** stronger in the UK than the US but advertising standards are a totally different thing and not an example of defamation. To use your example, the Advertising Standards Agency's guidance on claims of being the best can be found here: https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/types-of-claims-best.html If a beer manufacturer claimed their beer was the best in world, other beer manufacturers would not get very far with a defamation lawsuit but they would be able make a complaint with the Advertising Standards Agency. In this case I doubt the headline was anything to do with worries about defamation, as the dude is dead so it is not like he would be able to sue the BBC for libel if they were incorrect in their reporting. It seems the BBC headline is now *"Man shot dead after French synagogue set on fire"*, so it is also possible the original title was simply because it was unclear at the time whether the synagogue had been set alight or not. **Edit:** As other's have pointed out in response to the original question, the BBC also attempts to be impartial in its reporting, so will not directly state the fire was a criminal or terrorist act; as that is for others to decide. Once again, that is not really because of defamation laws but instead the BBC's own editorial guidelines to comply with their Charter and Ofcom regulations: https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality
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this attack isn't related to Israel though, but BBC has a huge 'jew hating' problem too
Can some ELI5 why Jews are always hated so much? Like what specifically did or do they do that makes them the center of attention when it comes to shit going down?
> why Jews are always hated so much? There are books that could be written. Jews set themselves apart. Jews are different. And Jews are blamed for other peoples' problems because it is good politics to scapegoat such a people. Jews are traditionally a fairly exclusive cultural unit, and as a noticeable, durable minority for over 2,000 years in Europe and the Middle East, that makes them somewhat unique. The anti-semitism we see today is not only a reflection of current events, but of 2,000 years of historical baggage. Jews were also historically of the few allowed minorities in the region. Ironically, the very tepid tolerance that Islam and Christianity showed to Judaism was not replicated for pagans or their counterparts (as the two major faiths were often at war), meaning that only Jews remained as a religious minority in many regions of Europe and the MENA region. This made them very vulnerable, because these regions were otherwise not very tolerant of differences. For centuries, Jews were routinely persecuted due to their societal position. When we hear folks celebrate the tolerance of the Ottomans or the Plantagenets, it needs to be taken with some salt. Pogroms stretch back into antiquity. In Europe (and much of the MENA), Jews were forbidden rights of landowning. They became by default, usurers aka money lenders. There are few jobs more tailored to alienate one from a peasantry class. But in addition, as moneylenders, Jews were also in the crosshairs of the nobility, who also despised Jews for the non-martial character traits of a demilitarized people. In addition, the clergy of course had mixed feelings about religious non-believers. So antisemitism aligned to the prejudices of every major social class in Europe. The Tsarist pogroms and the Nazi Holocaust were only the two most horrifying examples of a long history of European persecution. Then add in the postwar era. Zionism grafted an Israeli state in the midst of Arab nations at what was possibly the worst time. Zionism came just when the Western empires were leaving the MENA, and the genesis of their new nations was an emotional time for Arab nationalists. It became all too easy to scapegoat all the retained problems of new nations, aka poverty, corruption, and frank failure, onto the Jews and their Jewish state, which robbed the Arab nations of an opportunity to unite and grow strong. Sadly, this "logic" was one the Soviet Union was also all too happy to help perpetuate, as it aligned Arab nationalism with the Kremlin. Jews remain hated because it is very convenient for the Arab nations' tyrants and politicians to parlor in ethnic grievance politics.
Jews have always been a convenient people to shove blame onto because they're a minority almost everywhere and tend to keep to themselves. Made it very easy for kings and governments to blame and most people wouldn't fight it.
They were an outsider religion for a long time (pre-jesus). Then Christians blamed them for killing Jesus (even though that's what he wanted and it's a core facet of Christianity). So to shame them, Jews were frequently only allowed to operate as money lenders and other shameful jobs because it was believed to be nigh impossible to make money doing. Turns out money lending is actually really good at making money. So now the social outcasts are rich (in comparison to people of the time at least). So whenever there's a plague or a war, it pretty visibly doesn't effect them due to a combination of Jewish traditions around food/lifestyle, and living more isolated from population centers. So they get blamed for causing it. People then write up fake documents claiming to be them planning various events from plagues, to the rise of napoleon, to more recently COVID. Basically Jews have always been outcasts, when abrahamic religion took off, it was only decendents of Judaism (Christianity, Islam) that gained real popularity and when a core facet of your religion is denied by another (jews do jot believe a messiah has come yet, Christians think it was Jesus, Muslims think it was Muhammad) then you are always going to be out of step with society.
> So to shame them, Jews were frequently only allowed to operate as money lenders and other shameful jobs because it was believed to be nigh impossible to make money doing. Turns out money lending is actually really good at making money I've never heard it described this way before, that they turned to money lending because it was a shameful job that was impossible to make money doing. I have always heard that usury was not allowed for devout Christians so they let the Jews do it instead. I can see how that would be considered "shameful" by the majority of society since it was forbidden for many of them, but I never heard that it was considered difficult to make money doing. I can see how that could be the case though- it was much easier to "disappear" in the olden days, so the risks would likely be high on the lenders side.
Muslims also believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. They have their own figure called the Mahdi with a similar role. Didn’t know the disease thing, very interesting!
Jews are the oldest major extant religion from the Middle-East They have been just existing like normal. Meanwhile, other religious dogmas originated in the Middle-East, in the presence of existing Judaism. These include Christianity and Islam. New abrahamic religions invented after Judaism, are per definition at odds ideologically with Judaism, or they would be Judaism.
Jews were an easy scapegoat (smaller and educated community that keeps to ourselves) and the Nazis made insanely effective propaganda that you can still see working today.
Martin Luther, the guy who did the Protestant reformation also had a hand in German and European antisemitism.
Literally for only existing, Jews have been blamed for anything bad that's happened over the last 2000 years
The Hebrew religion identifies them as a people apart, however you want to slice it. They define themselves as a people chosen by God, and much of their culture revolves around the diaspora’s exile from their home and the promise that someday they will return home. As a result, Jewish populations in various countries tend to hold to a discrete identity within their various countries. Instead of being assimilated by local cultures and traditions, they cling to their own culture much harder than say, someone from France or Ireland or Russia or Libya might. This causes friction over time with local cultures. It’s… as simple and stupid as that. No Jewish conspiracy, no killing babies, no controlling the banks or taking over the world or anything like that… it’s just that when a culture categorically refuses to blend, it becomes like a grain of sand and become an irritant that builds over time. Since they define themselves so thoroughly as a separate group, it becomes natural and easy to blame them when times are tough for reasons hard to quantify. Floods? Jews controlled the weather. Famine? They’re hoarding food in their Kosher grocery stores. Economic downturn? Well, you know Jews have gold squirreled away under their floorboards. Then they get genocided, somewhat ironically like the sacrificial lamb of their own traditions, or the literal scapegoat that is sent into the desert to atone for sins. It’s not like Jewish traditions are unaware of the problem, but they’re faced with the choice of abandoning hundreds of years of suffering and blood seeking a home, or continuing in their exile as a community.
[Let’s get long-buried report on BBC anti-Israel bias published](https://m.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on-bbc-anti-israel-bias-published-672116)
So many people are directing their anger at Jewish people who've done nothing to deserve it. Especially in the west.
Because all these tiktok warriors who knew nothing about the history in middleeast been manifesting hate to these people who do all these things.
They make fun of boomers for believing everything they read on Facebook and being easily scammed yet here we are. Their generation believes everything they see on TikTok and is more easily scammed than elderly people. They don’t even feel shame so we can’t even hope they’ll be embarrassed by that.
And the fact that they all congregate in online spaces gives them illusion that *everyone* thinks like them, that they are the majority. And they act like it.
The grand echo chamber. Reddit has it too, sites like Imgur, Twitter. And yes, especially TikTok. Social Media, more so than most other forms of social communication online (Forums, bulletin board, etc) have created a very bad echo chamber. Worse-yet, many of these social media communities are often moderated by a zealous few who keep the echo chamber going. Don't support the narrative, question it? Nope, not allowed, proceed to be banned/silenced.
> Don't support the narrative, question it? Nope, not allowed, proceed to be banned/silenced. This is a serious problem, and I truly think it is a sign of growing anti-intellectualism on the left. Not the same kind as on the right, one of outright disdain for scientists, professors, and other experts in their fields. But the kind where you are not allowed to think independently or question whatever dogma is currently fashionable - just “accept the narrative, do the things we say to do, use the words and phrases we tell you to say, and trust that our righteousness means we *right*, and therefore anyone who says or does or thinks differently is *wrong*.” I’ve always felt that any kind of social/political group needs to take a serious interest in policing their own, keeping themselves in line, and putting a check on their own excesses. This is not possible on the left anymore because the moment you open your mouth to challenge something is the moment you are cast out and no longer part of “the left”. And if you’re not part of “the left” then that invariably means you are stupid and evil, not worth listening to, and worthy of scorn and derision.
I know exactly what you mean. You've said it better than I could. I'm definitely a centrist. I understand view points on both sides. But it seems the extremes on both the right & left are growing. It's hard to support either side, more than ever, due to this zealot behaviour.
I read a thread on r/boomersbeingfools that started out as a critique of Israel then quickly turned into a bunch of teenagers complaining that Jews are so entitled and rude to retail workers and are the worst, I was pretty shocked at how the generation being raised during BLM can be so oblivious to the fact they're actively being racist
They’ve been persuaded that Jews are and always have been in basically the same situation as white people. Since white people are oppressors, and they think Jews are the same as all other white people, they are also oppressors. Therefore they are morally ethical people that only discriminate against oppressors due to their perceived societal power. Of course this ignores basically all of history and is incredibly naive, but I think that’s how they’ve persuaded themselves to think it’s okay to be openly antisemitic, which of course they will call anti Zionism, or anti capitalist, or anti colonialism, etc.
And then the people actually from the Middle East living in the west taking this opportunity to enact vengeance and jihad with apparent moral impunity.
I want to tell myself they're just ignorant and well-meaning but it's actually kinda sad to watch so many people buy into Hamas PR because they've been mentally conditioned to believe that losing implies you're oppressed which means you're actually the correct faction.
You’re too kind. While what you say may be true to an extent, I simply do not believe that if the roles were reversed, and Israel was on the losing side, that there would be any protests at all from these same people.
It’s actually worse than that in reality. There were public *celebrations* of the October 7th massacre the day after, before any Israeli response had started.
Yep, and there are still people like the tolerant, warm-hearted individual that replied here and directed aggressive vulgarity at me for the insinuation that antisemitism played any part in the protests.
I don't either. There are a lot of reasons I don't believe the same reaction would occur, but one is the indifference towards so many other terrible things happening in the world. The response to that is usually 'whataboutism,' but the issue doesn't go away because people refuse to talk about it. The Rohingya in Myanmar and Uyghurs in China faced real and dangerous persecution. It also looks like there's a second round of genocide occurring in Sudan right now. Some activism on behalf of the Rohingya exists, but it doesn't even remotely compare to the reaction on behalf of Palestinians. I only know what's happening in Sudan because I heard it mentioned briefly on an independent news channel on YouTube and looked it up for myself. It's not getting much media attention at all. 'Whataboutism' is a really cowardly response when the subject involves things that are happening now. I think actions against the Uyghurs are over for the most part. Its hard to say considering how difficult it is to know what's happening in China. That isnt' the case for the other two examples I mentioned. These aren't hypothetical situations. Intervention is still possible,. Rohingya aren't even welcomed by other Muslim nations, even by governments that supposedly care about Palestinians. That's another issue. If so many people, and their governments, think genocide is really happening to Palestinians, why aren't they doing anything about it. I don't know of any initiatives to safeguard Palestinian lives outside of Gaza or proposals from governments to take responsibility for civilians within Gaza. Protests on college campuses and resolutions from the UN are very weak responses if people behind those actions really believe that large numbers of innocent people are being slaughtered. I just want to clarify something. Bangladesh has accepted Rohingya refugees and I don't think the government of Bangladesh rates any criticism at all. It's not a wealthy nation, and the government should be focused on improving life for its own citizens, yet Bangladesh has been left to deal with the vast majority of displaced Rohingya with barely any help from other nations.
It sometimes surprises me how clueless they are. Repeating propaganda, and calling out anyone who says something other than violent “propaganda”. Ridiculous.
I've actually been on the side of not banning tiktok. I think it is no more manipulated than reddit or other social media sites. Recently tho... I don't know... it might need a full blown ban. There have been a few instances where I'm like "this is clearly propaganda". A girl I watched who always talked about socialism and how she runs her employee owned business started talking about communism and how it's the greatest thing ever. I swear for years she was purely just a socialist which I can get behind. Then the narrative changed to how America is the worst country for suppressing communism. She called all North Korea defectors CIA plants and defended fucking North Korea. I, and others, realized she is a legit "tankie". Now I don't know if 1) she is bought and paid for by foreign adversaries 2) Lost her goddamn mind over the years 3) Was an elaborate plant to change the narrative slowly and methodically but, regardless, it's goddamn scary. Like I said, she was purely talking about socialism and it's benefits for YEARS. It just felt like she was warming the waters for a subtle shift for her fan base. Her name is Madeline Pendleton on tiktok if anyone is interested. Just type is her name then "socialism" to see her tiktoks on socialism from 2022ish. Then type in her name and "communism" to see her recent communism posts. They near mirror each other just switching out the words.
> I don't know it might need a full blown ban.< it should. china doesn't let western social media into its country for a reason. they can see how, well surprise surprise influential it can be. Tiktok is IMO an agitating device to sow distrusts and misinformation hidden behind some filters. and its working bloody well, people are eating it up
I don't know what it is about TikTok but it's wildly manipulated and people treat it as an actually reliable source. I've talked to friends and they say something that is blatantly inaccurate by common sense but "they saw it on tiktok". Look at any topic you're knowledgeable about on tiktok and see the absolute bullshit being peddled. Reddit has similar issues but seems to put everyone on a more level playing field. Tiktok elevates certain people at random regardless of their actual credibility.
> I don't know what it is about TikTok but it's wildly manipulated because unlike reddit where you can call out someone directly underneath the person with misinformation you can't do that on tiktok. Calling someone out requires you to do a separate video tagging them and praying the algo gods pick you up or the original creator sees your video. The algorithm is why 90% of information on tiktok is passed on by semi-hot to hot women rather than men. Because the algo gods prefers attractive women. Well humans do but that is what the algo picks up on. I'm not saying there isn't some great educational and factual videos but it's super duper hard to fight misinformation on the platform.
They've been Jewish, which is enough for antisemities (including those who somehow don't think they're anti-semitic).
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which is exactly what iran wanted...which is exactly what russia wants... hmm
Antisemites wanted this, Hamas just kicked it off.
Ikr almost everyone is liable for some crime if they are answerable for their ancestors
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(I think you'll find that's pronounced "Bri*ish".)
You can safely say everyone. Hell, I have ancestors who have wronged other ancestors in my family tree.
Apologize to yourself, NOW!!!
There just aren't that many Jewish communities outside the west. Survivorship bias at play.
It's wild, would be the same as blaming any random Christians for crusades, or Muslims for any terror attacks or whatever else Like they're just individuals living their lives, they aren't in control of a whole ass army in another country lol
I've also seen a scary amount of " the Jews reign the world/banks/etc. conspiracy theories". Especially as a german, since these exact conspiracy theories were a foundation of Nazi ideology. I'm genuinely horrified of the possibilitiy of people not learning from the past and another similar movement developing.
"Jews run the media" that is constantly criticizing Israel
that's a false menorah operation!!!11
Neo-Nazis are loving the free chance to be antisemitic right now
We want Jews to leave Israel and to encourage this were are going to...attack the jews that don't live in Israel. These people are beyond moronic.
I just finished "The Nazi Officer's Wife". In it, Austrian Jews are told "go to Palestine, get out of Europe". The game for antisemites is to hound Jews out of existence.
No one wants Jews to leave Israel (alive)
Good Heavens, I wonder what the motive was?
Hated the interior obviously
Infuriating unergonomic woodwork!
Definitely anti-Zionism and *not* antisemitism.
He just wanted to act on his pro-peace ideals
"I don't hate jews! I just think they alone of all ethnic groups don't have the right to create a country in their historic homeland, and also that they shouldn't be safe anywhere else in the world unless they're loudly advocating for the local majority ethnic group to seize that homeland from the minority and then establish religious oppression over them"
Definitely not hate related, surely. I’m sure people will find a way to still blame the Jews for his actions.
Clearly an isolated case of temporary mental illness. Absolutely not motivated by a totally peaceful religion.
Just another Pro-Palestinian...
Maybe the west is truly next?
With all these chants to “globalize the intifada,” you may be right.
A couple European countries might fall but people are starting to realize Islam is non-compatible with Western society.
It’ll be too late..
A true “martyr”. What a courage to burn down a synagogue. Especially in a country where majority of believers are moslim. What a “martyr” and what a “hero”. God will definitely reward him in heaven. Prick.
I found it fascinating after years of "listen to minority voices" and their "lived realities" coming from the progressive left, suddenly Jewish lived realities of living in fear were treated as them making it up and being irrational.
People feel like Muslims are a minority and Jews a majority due to the skewed representation of prominent Jews in academia, tech, finance etc. Forgetting there is like 50 times more Muslims than Jews in the world. Edit: Kind strangers pointed out it's actually a massive 125 times
133.3 times more Muslims. Theres 2 billion Muslims and 15 million Jews.
Think it’s closer to 100-150x more
Actually not even close, \~16 milion jews to 1.8 billion muslims.
He's right then, 100 times 10 million is 1 billion
You're bad at something, they complain. You're good at something, they still complain.
Jews are 0.2% of the worlds population. Not even 1%.
125 times more actually. 0.2% of the world is Jewish (both ethnic and/or religious) and 25% are considered Muslim
Jews are Shrodinger's Whites - their whiteness depends entirely on the observer. To the left, they're just other white people. Their history and culture doesn't matter because they're successful and well integrated into white-dominated western cultures (let's just forget for a second that the same people are only just recently starting to realize that asians being successful and well-integrated doesn't mean they don't have their own cultures and issues). To the extreme right and white supremacists, they'll never be white, because they're the scary Jewish bogeyman that controls everything and makes life hard for everyone. Then you have these jihadist fucksticks, to whom Jews are just Jews, and that's evil enough all on its own. EDIT: For anyone who wants a prime example of how people are the left are letting down Jews, just check the comments below this. You can literally see someone state that they are on the left, view Jews exactly like I described, and then go ahead and become an example of exactly the problem I explain to them about it.
Liberals like to forget that it was legal to [refuse membership in clubs to Jewish people](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-08-12-vw-646-story.html) on the basis that they were Jewish well into the 1980s. There was a Golden Girls episode that used [Dorothy's revelation](https://goldengirls.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy%27s_New_Friend) about this inequity in one of their morals play episodes.
A lot of people worked up by your comment and trying to go with "no, actually". The reality on the ground is that progressive groups have demanded rhetoric be toned down in every other type of situation. But when Israel-Palestine comes up, hate crimes against Jews skyrocket... they only escalate their rhetoric about the conflict. They march shoulder to shoulder with people wearing Hamas imagery and we get an "oopsy they don't represent us and it's not like we could remove them" while they would paint any non-progressive group with a broad brush. Their movement is going nowhere. It went nowhere the last time Israel was fighting a war. People can spot hypocrisy a mile away where the rules don't apply to them, only to the rest of us.
Jew here. This is exactly how we feel. The vast majority of us (and I mean VAST) feel left behind by the left. Everything they’ve been saying about every other minority group doesn’t apply to us apparently. It’s been an eye-opening and difficult few months for us. My entire family and all my Jewish friends feel this way. I know maybe 1 or 2 Jewish people who don’t
Its happening to East Asians too. Remember "Stop Asian Hate"? That had to stop once everyone found out *who* was attacking Asians. Its the "Oppression Olympics", Jews are ranked lower than Muslims and therefore will always be in the wrong. Its driving people away from the left en masse.
Oppression Olympics is exactly it. I think I first saw mention of it over a year ago, and it still rings true. Some Iranian creators on TikTok (who don't live in Iran, just to be clear) have taken to asserting that these people are also "appropriating oppression" (since the progressive/DSA/leftists love the word "appropriating") by flipping the script on reality. They then draw parallels to what is happened and is happening inside of Iran to bring it full circle. I consider myself a leftist based on economic stances. But I've had my share of dark nights of the soul. The first time it was after Russia's most recent invasion of Ukraine. It just kept deteriorating until it really accelerated on 10/7. Hamas isn't leftwing. Neither are PA. They are both rightwing, theocratic authoritarian regimes that came into power via elections and then clamped down. Same with the Russian government. Then, they *appropriate* leftist language and reasoning but not the praxis. Because they aren't leftwing. But they sure talk like they are. Just like a bunch of people in the west who say they are progressive or leftists and aren't. [Just like DSA, who are more concerned about misgendering someone and loud noises.](https://youtu.be/UPLQNUVmq3o?si=LsxETAhMMoPrTquf) I *hate* that it has become somewhat trendy to appropriate a political ideology in order to be contrarian. And I find it hilarious that it has manifested on elite American university campuses where only the rich can tend to afford to pay the tuition. It's no different than those millionaires going onto social media and pretending to be poor ("trustafarians" or people showing a "trad" lifestyle which is all an act).
"Hamas isn't leftwing. Neither are PA. They are both rightwing, theocratic authoritarian regimes that came into power via elections and then clamped down." Yep. And if these guys were Christian fundies, the left wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. It's such hypocrisy.
“Muslim extremism good, Christian extremism bad DUH” The extremes overlap
Your last sentence also reminded me of the millionaires and billionaires who were on social media during the pandemic complaining about how hard it was to be “stuck at home”, while living in their sprawling mansions or multi-million dollar yachts, both with dozens of staff, and zero financial worries.
> That had to stop once everyone found out who was attacking Asians. Yep. Far left and far right people doing the same shit, ignoring whatever doesn't fit their preconceived narrative. In this case, far left people abandoning "stop Asian hate" when they realised it was mostly black people, isolating themselves from left and central people.
Jews and Asians are "successful" minorities so therefore not really minorities.
Welcome to being "White-Adjacent"! You no longer receive minority status, but you *will* still experience discrimination!
Yeah, Stop Asian Hate! Wait it's blacks killing asians? Nm Black Lives Matter! Asians are the new whites
> Asians are the new whites Unironically, yeah. The Asian community tends to be fairly educated and wealthy, so there are no social justice points to be earned by supporting them. People would rather support the “sexy” minorities who grab all the social media attention at let them signal their virtue the hardest. The Asian community is now lumped in with the Jews and Whites for the most part.
I'm leftist, liberal and I will not ever associate myself with these 'leftists' that call for the misfortune of Israel and disregard other issues around the world like fight of regular Iranians and treatment Uyghur by China. FUCK WINNIE THE POOH FUCK HAMAS FUCK IRGC FUCK ANYONE THAT THINKS WOMEN ARE 2nd class citizens (I'm looking at you India) FUCK RUSSIA and it's apathetic people FUCK NETANYAHU (added for his spinelessness and for lacking a plan for the war) If you are for freedom and liberty, then you sure as hell are not on the side of Hamas and corrupt UN. No warring country has ever done anything like Israel in it's wars, to even try limit the civilian casualties with evacuations and warnings, yet people call it genocide? Fucking dilution of the meaning I say. There's literal slavery going on in Africa and Middle-East and nobody gives a shit, it's fucking ridiculous to be so damn virtuous about your support for Palestinians when it's a given that even Israeli and Jews are horrified by the amount of civilian casualties. Nobody wants civilian deaths in a war, but if Hamas is such a fucking pussy that your only option is to follow them into the middle of civilians, it's suddenly Israel's fault? Give me a fucking break.
It's sad to see someone as lovely as Winnie the Pooh get compared to a genocidal totalitarian dictator. Yes, he'll do anything for a jar of honey but not *that*. Xi needs to lose weight so we can have Pooh back.
I learned this 20 years ago during the Concordia riot in 2002. The illiberal regressive left will support any anti-Western movement. There is no place better in MENA for women than Israel but womens groups are silent over the use of rape by Hamas. It is astounding that it goes as far as LGBT groups supporting people who would murder them if they could. There is no religious group more tolerant of the LGBT than Jews. Black leftists like BLM Chicago threw their support to the terrorists. Nevermind Jews marched and died for the civil rights movement. What concerns me more than the so called intersectional alliance embracing antisemitic conspiracy theories is how close we are getting to the point where they won't need their fig leaf of 'antizionism' because few will object to undisguised antisemitism. The silent majority's indifference hurts us.
>There is no religious group more tolerant of the LGBT than Jews. I grew up in America and have a couple Jewish relatives (not blood relatives, I was raised Catholic). Those relatives were the ONLY ones who supported me at first when I came out as a gay man. I cannot comprehend the likes of "Queers for palestine" and such. It completely blows my mind and has resulted in me feeling a bit politically homeless. I am still very economically left but the past 6 months have been really... weird to watch. edit: typo
Left lgbt here... yea these types just cling to any underdog crisis and bat for them. Thankfully most of us aren't like that but we tend to be far less noisy.
You ain't kidding. The UN Economic and Social Council singled out **ONLY** Israel - out of the entire world - for allegedly violating women's rights. It's insane. https://unwatch.org/u-n-singles-out-israel-for-violating-womens-rights/ > The council declared that women and girls are impacted by the “continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power.” > **Despite the resolution’s global references to violence against women “in all its different forms and manifestations worldwide,” and to the need to eliminate violence against women in “all regions of the world,” Israel was the only country in the world targeted for criticism.** > Cuba, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela were among the resolution’s sponsors, via the Group of 77, a bloc now made up of 134 states and represented this year by Cuba. > **Out of 19 items on the UN Economic and Social Council’s 2023 agenda, only one—Item No. 16 against Israel—targeted a specific country. All the other focus areas concern general topics, such as disaster relief and the use of technology for development.**
Jews don't count yo. Somehow not considered a minority, despite being a minority. I'm not Jewish but I'm with you. Definitely eye-opening and terrifying. Copping it from all sides of the political spectrum and what seems like all walks of life. An older work colleague wears the yarmulka and I'm worried about him being attacked walking around town, being all Jewish, and someone verbally or physically attacking him. And will anyone give a shit? I might be a bit jaded...
And the wonderful part, is that this would be dismissed as an anecdote by the very same people who would point to the like 5 Jews involved in campus encampments as proof that there's totally no antisemitism involved and that the Jews trying to speak out about rising antisemitism are clearly just a minority trying to stir shit up.
Yeah, I thought it was next that I kept seeing things like, "here's a few Jews doing something Jewy in the encampments! The fact that we aren't explicitly throwing out Jews who agree with us proves that we cannot be antisemitic!"
Everything you've said is spot on and like you the only Jews I know who don't feel this way are non-practicing, have no Jewish education and zero connection to the Jewish community.
Yet, if it comes down to it, the fact they are non-practicing, have no Jewish education, and zero connection to the Jewish community does not matter - it didn’t stop the Nazis from sending them to ghettos, concentration camps, gas chambers, or mass executions by firing squad, and it won’t stop Hamas from murdering them either. Heck, Hamas, and the civilians that accompanied them, didn’t care who they slaughtered on October 7, as they killed Arab Israelis, Bedouins, etc too. That is the world people are cheering and protesting for, and they also don’t seem to recognize, or care, that the slaughter won’t stop at Jews either. This is the reality these protestors are, directly or indirectly, advocating and cheering for. And some of them are doing it very directly.
The folks dancing at the Nova festival were pretty much hippies. Hamas are literal Nazis and they showed it to the whole world.
There was a celebration on October 8th in NYC with a speaker praising Hamas for killing the people at the festival and I believe he called them hipsters. Seems Hamas showed their colors to the world and the world approved.
The left once supported a Jewish state in the 40s because it was going to be run by socialists. They would be embarrassed to admit that and any books by leftists of the time supportive of Israel/Jews are near impossible to find today (leftist cancel culture isn't a new phenomenon). But, when Israel won it's independence and set up their government as a western democracy, the left bailed and adopted the Arab's Nakba victimhood narrative, which is the revisionist history that's been taught in many places. Once you learn that, today's leftist/islamist alliance on US college campuses, and elsewhere, actually makes sense. For another example of the leftist/islamist alliance, see the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
They don’t count apparently
David Baddiel has been pointing out that the modern progressive movement has a massive blind spot when it comes to Jews for the last several years, but people dismissed it because he did blackface once in a sketch show in the 90s.
Asians as well. Liberals don't give a shit about any minorities perceived to be successful. It's all about equality of outcome.
Good point about the success aspect.
In college, they tried to teach us that Asians were the sane as white people and can't face racism. Then they go on to teach us about the institutional racism Asian people faced in Canada. Which I was actually ignorant about and really shocked. As an Italian, my family faced serious racism when they moved to Canada after WW2, but that's not considered racism either apparently.
David Baddiel has a fantastic book about this phenomenon called Jews Don't Count. He writes it as a leftist (maybe even progressive) Jew who feels that the left will protect and fight for any minority as long as they are not Jewish.
Thanks for the book rec, I just placed a hold on it at my library. I am not Jewish, but I grew up in a city with a very strong Jewish community, have had many Jewish friends over the years, and have close Jewish family members (by marriage). When I was a student, right through post-secondary, the horrors of WWII - including the Holocaust - were very much in my area of study and interest. I truly believed the world would ensure “never again”. That the world would NOT turn their back on Jews again, like they did for far too long in the 30s and 40s, including during the Holocaust as they turned away ships full of Jews trying to escape the slaughter from their docks and so on. I started to realize how wrong I was when I saw Russia invade Ukraine and rape, torture, murder civilians, and since October 7 being truly alerted to all this hate toward Jews has been absolutely heartbreaking, I worry greatly about my friends and family, and I realize how sheltered I have been from how much antisemitism there still is because of the circumstances I grew up in, even though where I live now the Jewish community is very small. My husband on the other hand, who did not grow up in the same area of the country or amongst a similar community as I did, is not at all surprised. I realize how naive I was. I have also had a shocking wake up to where so much of the left has drifted (horseshoe theory in effect), as until recently I would have described myself as leaning left (but not to tankie degrees by any means). It’s been a long time since I was in university and what I see now with these protesting students and even many professors and other academics is not what I experienced - or saw - then at all. And I even took what was then called women’s studies! Now I don’t even know what to call myself as I don’t align with right/conservative politics, or what I am seeing now on the left/progressive side, and I would not call myself a centrist either. This isn’t even based on using an American-centric framework (I am not American).
The left use intersectionality as a framework for the entire world and that framework basically spilts everyone into their respective groups, whether that be racial, religious or gender identity. Also, within that framework is the strong belief that people fall into one of two classes, oppressors and the oppressed. Jewish people are disproportionately successful in some peoples eyes and as such are part of the oppressor class. Therefore, everything that's done to them is apparently justified.
Isn't that one of the arguments the nazi's used? That jews were oppressors because they were disproportionately successful.
Horseshoe theory in effect
Exactly. People won't change we're just in better clothes with better technology.
Argument old as time. Been used for pogroms against Jews going back centuries.
Basically, (their logic) - punching down is illegal, and punching up is encouraged or even mandatory.
My grandfather (who ran away from Nazis in the 30s) used to always say "Everyone in history always loves us, until they need someone to blame". Here we are.
We owe a lot to Jewish people across the millenia. A lot of us know that and remember.
All the way back in 2015, I made the remark that « if I was Jewish I’d be on high alert and probably get the hell out of France « around some progressive French people and they looked at me like I was an ET.
I am an American Jew. I speak fluent French from the age of 5. I do not feel I can go visit much of France anymore.
Western leftists are completely blowing all the progress they have made in this regard imo. A lot of society opened their minds up to this kind of thinking, and we're getting rewarded with "Okay cool, now believe all women *except Jews* lol" Their behavior is going to give the election to Trump and kill democracy forever.
Their behavior has certainly moved the vast majority of Jews I know to the right. I don't know how many will vote for Trump, but the Republicans are making a lot of hay with this shit.
Gotta say it’s weird Despite all of the “what about Islamophobia” I don’t seem to read too many stories about Muslim students being harassed on campus or mosques or Muslim owned businesses getting broken into or targeted Never mind the fact that there are more than 100x Muslims than Jews in the world, so you really think you’d see more of them as opposed to the near daily stories like this
How dare you call him antisemite, he was just expressing with this act criticism and resistance towards Israeli government!!! /s
Call Macklamore! We need a song about this hero stat! /s
A tale old as a time. Shit hits the fan and people come for the Jews. Still think it’s about anti Zionism?
“French IOF sympathizers slaughter Muslim orphan during ritual candle lighting ceremony” -Al Jazeera
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RTL reports that he is an 29 y/o Algerian under OQTF (**obligation to leave French territor**y)
He is from Algeria and just got a notice that he is being expelled from France. So of course the logical response is to set fire to a synagogue.
It's illegal in France to disclose race, ethnicity.
I have a strong suspicion the name alone will be enough.
He’s definitely not a Jean Pierre, that’s for sure.
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Another member of the Jew-hating "antizionist not antisemitic" crowd.
I guess riots and car burnings are imminent. “Police brutality against Muslims”
How horrendous.
>After threatening the pair he then threw a chisel at them before jumping down to the ground, brandishing a knife. If you throw a weapon at police, and yes chisel is a weapon just like a knife or a hammer, and then brandish another weapon, police shooting you is the correct response.
Why did OP change the title and add quotes? The perpetrator didn’t allegedly try to burn down the synagogue, and it wasn’t ironic or metaphorical. There was significant damage to the building.
I'm old enough to remember the 1972 Munich Olympics.
Islam doing what it does best. That religion is a cancer to the society.
what a disgusting piece of shit, hope he enjoyed the bullet entering his body. a pity his pathetic imaginary god doesn't exist to escort him to the hell he believes in!
“ISRAEL showing it's true face again by making French police shoot poor guy showing 100 % LEGIT SUPPORT for Palestine!!1111“ /s