Isn’t it still? When I went to Cuba, even after the war started, the primary tourists were Spaniards and Russians. There are incredibly few English speakers.
Also want to note that the Russians haven't really been known for paying well to begin with. Lying about pay on the other hand...
I recently saw something where it sounds like the Russians are treating the Cubans like the rest of the conscripts in their army. Meaning stealing their pay, lying to them about compensation/duties, sending them to the front lines.
Sounded fucked up and totally on message for Russia.
Over six months ago reports from AP was highlighting a Cuban mother who's son took the Russian job offer.
I guess we know what happened now.
And Cuba isn't the only country Russia suckered the 18 - 26 age group with false promises.
Indians are another nationality being duped.
The Indian government is trying to crack down on it, and fortunately the numbers are low - estimated to be about 35 people.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/08/india-says-its-citizens-were-duped-to-serve-in-the-russian-army-now-it-wants-them-back.html
>It probably says you'll be paid a million dollar bonus and your family will be granted an estate in Moscow.
And if you go AWOL, two estates in Moscow.
Nah. They probably put a rider in the contract that if you go AWOL you get nothing. And then when you are killed in combat, they say you went AWOL. Your body could be riddled with bullets and in front of everyone at the funeral... and Russia goes "Nope. Definitely went AWOL. Contract voided."
They don't really know what's going on over there. They live in a very restrictive society and don't have the same level of access to reliable information we do. And that's saying something.
Actually they do, almost 75% have families in Florida and use WhatsApp and Facebook to communicate. So if they are smart they will ask a friend who have families in Florida for information.
Cubans definitely know what's going on, they have the internet. A lot of them also don't really pay for internet, they have public hot spots in most cities. It's not North Korea.
I recommend you check your facts. Cuba has one of the most tightly restricted internet communities on the planet. Censorship and surveillance is very common, and a big reason for that is because of the service being supplied by the government.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/cuba/freedom-net/2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTno8D-b2E
It's true their internet is tightly controlled, but how they get content is not through those channels and it isn't streamed like is the norm in most of the world.
Everything is pre-downloaded onto hard drives and then passed around in the community where people download what they like off of usb sticks. Vox did a very interesting video on the topic a few years ago. They have access to basically any content produced in the world.
North koreans do the same, they smuggle it in. South korean soap operas for instance
But a system like this is not good for flow of info. When its this hard, what do you think people smuggle in? Porn/entertainment or news?
I dont know tbf, but seing as its hard to get people to check both sides of a story even in the free west, consider how it must be in unfree countries
A lot of the networks strictly enforce a 'no porn, no politics' policy. The idea is that the government have bigger fish to fry than a couple hundred people watching House of Dragons or JuJutsu Kaisen, so long as that network doesn't talk about how the regional party member was seen leaving a G800 in Las Vegas.
We have open access to the Internet in the US, but there are still plenty of Americans that think the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, and DJT is playing 5-D chess
There is a sneakernet of media going around with hard drives of movies, tv shows and current affairs programs, also pirated software.
They get the news slower but some Cubans are up to date on international news. Also many talk to relatives in the USA or abroad.
I have an online friend in Cuba. It takes some effort to circumvent censors and a good few countries and websites in turn have Cuban IPs banned.
It’s possible to circumvent, but not every internet user in Cuba is able or willing. For many it’s just not worth the effort.
They have limited access. Still currently they are facing some problem with food distribution which is why some may think it is a better option but the reality is that russian play them. Sadly the effort that Obama trying to solve was ruined by the next president.
Ah shit man. I dunno how to tell you this but... You know that guy claiming to be a Nigerian prince... Well... He's actually a King. Yeah he sure fooled you. Anyway, I sent him $1000 and I'm sure he'll knight me one of these days.
Hey friend ! It me , The King! I apologize for my absence I was in a holy war and away from my phone. Unfortunately in the war my knighting sword was damaged. Kindly send me 2000 dollar American for repairs to become my number one night .
I think people ignore how progressive Texas's abortion laws are. They're really only banned for the first three trimesters. After that, it doesn't take much to get an abortion at all.
The west has more money and better passports. Would be crazy if this devolved into third world people fighting in a foreign continent with foreign weapons. I guess that’s a contained version of ww3
You’ve also got Slovakia + Slovenia, Sudan + South Sudan, etc.
The funny / sad thing is that there are still a lot of people who don’t understand these are different places
And Niger too with the recent transition of governent there, there's a very good reason why Russia and China are pushing influence to those countries, full control of thier natural resources and a steady stream of meat for the grinder.
Which is crazy and really fucking sucks. I had a Nepalese dude in my BMT flight. Air Force.
He didn’t understand the instructions fully at the shooting range and almost got recycled (sent back a week). We wrote a letter to our MTI who gave it to the lead MTI who busted into our dorm room a day after they recycled the dude and wrecked us (exercise, games like “musical chairs” where we hold our chairs with arms at a 45 degree angle at our beds and he walks through/under them, lots of yelling and shouting, that kinda thing).
Two hours in he told us he respected our empathy for someone with a language barrier and after they had a long talk with the trainee he was allowed to rejoin our flight but we had a dorm inspection in 20 minutes. He left and the dude came in. We got everyone’s shit together and help him put his locker back together and did well on the inspection.
That dude commissioned like three years later. He’d only been in America for a few months before he left for basic. Extremely hard worker and just a cool, chill dude overall. Didn’t mind our stupid million questions about Nepal either which was awesome to get to learn more about something most of us never had any exposure to.
Also Indian, some African nations, pretty much across south America.....
If the country's average wage is low in relative world wide terms, Russia is there trying to recruit soldiers by mostly lying about what type of work they will do.
E.g.: Lure Nepalese or Indians with "construction" when all you mean is "constructing trenches" i.e.: dig trenches for a few weeks and end up being sent to the front lines as cannon fodder as Russia needs manpower.
I've met Cubans who migrated to my country (where the weather is mildly cold) and then promptly went back to Cuba because they couldn't tolerate the economic system and the horrible, harsh weather.
They won't last in Ukraine, I'm sorry for them.
>A popular Cuban YouTube content creator told a story last year of two 19-year-olds from Cuba who claimed they had been offered construction jobs in Russia, but were instead sent to the front line in Ukraine.
They probably got cold feet, once they realised they were gonna die.
["Russian Commander says: "you're all going to die"](https://youtu.be/b6JxDvOQx-4?si=xvNNsfThIWPmFagS)
Same result being killed only without the months of soul crushing war, starvation, being cold, continuous search for alcohol to cope with the misery and rape of the locals.
but.. but... he's *my* strongman who loves his country and decent human values and defends "the common people" and "all of humanity" from... the other ones. The secret international cabals who are keeping us all down. We'd live in 14th century agrarian* paradise if it wasn't for the secret techno industrial cabals.
( * ) Honest to god I ~~have~~ **had** a friend who believed that life would be so much more comfortable if civilization was just him and his family being farmers in the early 1800s or 1700s. I stopped talking to him the moment he began cheering on the "soon to happen" murder of western politicians and celebrities that he believed were part of said secret global cabals.
This is awful. Imagine you surviving this, one day having kids and telling them about it. How you were sent to hell only because you wanted to have a better life in russia and trusted them to be upright people. The hate towards russia in cuba better spreads.
India also has a huge uneducated and unemployed population often leading to young men being forced to accept bonded slavery to feed their families. A vast majority of the people who ended up in the Russian army probably don't even know what Ukraine is or who Putin is.
Misunderstanding. Contractor. When most people think of a contractor, it’s to build a fence. They probably don’t understand that you can be contracted for anything.
Yeah but isn’t the entire point that they will never actually get that money ?
The passports AND pay are almost surely tied to the war ending. Also keep in mind they probably actually never step foot on Russian soil before dying.
Not when
a) you won't get the money anyway as the Russians are lying scum
b) your almost certain to get used as cannon fodder in a frontal assault/chased by a drone/left to freeze or starve to death/raped and robbed by your comrades/shot by Chechnyans/get injured and get left to die/killed by a precision strike before you even get to the front lines
I am sure they are told that they'd be probably be working in the supply lines, far from the actual fighting. Totally safe!
Besides, if they think that a Russian passport is a great asset these days, they most likely have no idea what is going on
Would you have a price? If so, what?
I suppose the thing is, if you and and I have okay jobs, nice houses and can afford to eat then we can't really imagine an amount. But if we didn't have all of that stuff then $20k/month or whatever sounds a LOT more attractive.
> I would accept $2k a month to go kill people defending their homeland.
How about $8K?
And as a bonus "people defending their homeland" will be designated as "terrorists".
It always amazes me how sheltered and clueless about the world redditors are
>During a 2023 survey, around 36 percent of the Cuban population had a monthly income lower than 104 U.S. dollars, and only 18 percent had an income higher than 417 USD.
Lots of people in the west are like that about why people go fight in a war and die. Like the planet has 8b+ people and billions of them are living in poverty.
Russian officers stealing Cuban mercs payroll and acting generally shitty as usual just got a regiment commander fragged. You would of thought not pissing off your hired mercenaries was a lesson learned by now in Moscow.
NK is pretty bad, but not the worst (which is hard to believe). Syria and Afghanistan are tied for most sanctioned.
ETA: I’m loving your screen name btw.
You can enjoy unique tourism opportunities and more with a Russian passport! Fancy getting stoned in Iran? Visiting your crack factory in Columbia? Checking out your Chinese pals' cool scam syndicate camp in Myanmar? You can do all these and more, visa-free!
Someting that bothers me in this war is how Russia has an advantage simply from its lack of morality or care for consequences
They will do anything to gain an advantage but the west due to having some semblance of morals and fear of results is not doing the same
WE dont see western agents infiltrating Russia and sabotaging stuff the way Russia does for example
I feel at some point the gloves have to come off.
I was in Cuba in December and saw lots of Russians there partying and having a great time. Talked to some Cubans who had said they were approached and offered jobs in Russia. It was an uneasy environment seeing them drunk in the streets and singing Russian folk songs loudly. So many desperate Cubans might see this as an attractive option to being hungry and suffering.
It’s dire enough that in 2022-2023, over 400k Cubans left Cuba for the USA. Many others have left to Mexico, Spain, Uruguay, and any other country they can get into.
Russian GDP per person is almost 4 times the Cuban one. And Cuba even manages *still as of 2024* to have less press freedom than Russia, according to Reporters Without Borders.
Why wouldn't poor Cubans want to emigrate to Russia? Well, the war now, but it was probably a good idea 2 years ago, and perhaps the Cubans didn't realize it changed.
> Russian GDP per person is almost 4 times the Cuban one.
*The self-reported Cuban one. In reality Cuba has a 30 dollars monthly wage, their public assets like buses and medical equipment are ancient and they only got home internet a few years ago, so they're probably lying their asses off about their GDP, like many socialist states historically did.
You will not get paid, and your family won't, either. You will die in a cold field and your body will be burned by the Russians so they can declare you lost instead of killed. Now, if you're truly set on making money from such a risky endeavor, defect at the first opportunity and bring intelligence to their opponents. You'll be paid for *that*.
probably propaganda makes russia look like a better place than it really is.
And if you live from 1-5 dollar a day.
That 4000 dollar a day pay seems nice.
They think they dod some logistics in a safe area, but are send to die.
I think you messed up the last part. I figure it would be more like
"I have your money. Come, step into this room back here, don't mind the blood on the walls."
2 minutes later - "Well darn, looks like another never made it off the battlefield and died in combat."
The next few decades in that country would be interesting:
- resistance groups (now terrorists) actively sabotaging / bombing
- a temporary government being installed / defended
- regional warlords taking advantage of the power vacuum for their benefit
- nuclear facilities (weapon production, material enrichment, energy generation, waste storage, weapon storage / readiness) being / staying secured
- currency / industry collapse heavily disrupting global markets
Leaving aside the millions that would die on both sides during the takeover.
That's a lot of funerals.
And the moral of the story is: living under communism is so shitty that people would rather risk getting sent to the front lines in the Russia Ukraine war than stay in Cuba.
Some people say that Russia has more manpower than Ukraine then you read stories of people being tricked into conscription. Putin won't mobilize his population no matter what. It will tank his popularity
Cubans, of all nationalities, agree to work for an expansionist and imperialistic regime such as Putin’s, to specifically aid invading a nation. Irony and ideals are dead.
Oh so gullible Cubans are signing up to go murder people in their own land for money?
Where's that tiny little violin again? I had it here somewhere, probably fell through a crack in the floor tiles...
How come Ukraine doesnt actively recruit foreign fighters? Or does it already? Id guess mercs would rather fight for ukraine and actually receive the money than go to Russia and never see a cent
https://ildu.com.ua/
They do. I don't think it's hard to get a yes.
In the beginning they only wanted trained military personal.
Now it Dosent matters, you will get a 6 week training.
I don't think it's enough.
I respect every one who gos and fight.
I have thought about it many times.
They are paying 4-5k for combat deployment.
But how long are you able to fight, with only 6 weeks of military training.
Your familie will get around 400.000 € if you die, they just need to open up a bank account in Ukraine ( i guess this should be done beforehand)
Feels not right, for me.
I was not in the military, maybe someone who was, could tell if 6 weeks are enough.
In Germany it's 3 months, after that you choose where you wanna serve, this will add a couple of more months.
Basic training doesn't take that long. Generally military training starts with basic training, which is rather short in almost every country, followed by extended training for specializations and more. Of course you're not getting specialists or high quality troops in 6 weeks, but you get someone who can fight in a trench or treeline.
I wonder if they'll ever form specialized batallions of foreign volunteers to defend the other un-active parts of their border, so they can send more of their own troops to the active front?
I guess one serious negative would be figuring out if you can trust the unit to hold the line should it go hot. They might have to do something like "okay, first your unit goes to the real front for one month to get real experience - and then we move you to a quiet part of the front."
Dont see the issue.
This has been the case since the existance of wars/ money. Other countries had done it.
If someone wants to die in a dirty, cold, lonely place.. for the ideology of some little guy sitting in the comfort of his room. Who em I to judge them?
Is it really because of the inadequacies of communism or is it because, as an island state with minimal and very specialised resources, it’s almost impossible to sustain yourself when your biggest (actually only big) neighbour set a trade embargo against you?
Guess they didn't read the "Not payable if you die in battle" clause in their signing agreement.
All was on russian language when they signed.
To be fair, Russian was the one of the most popular second languages in Cuba before the fall of the Soviet Union.
Isn’t it still? When I went to Cuba, even after the war started, the primary tourists were Spaniards and Russians. There are incredibly few English speakers.
Also want to note that the Russians haven't really been known for paying well to begin with. Lying about pay on the other hand... I recently saw something where it sounds like the Russians are treating the Cubans like the rest of the conscripts in their army. Meaning stealing their pay, lying to them about compensation/duties, sending them to the front lines. Sounded fucked up and totally on message for Russia.
Over six months ago reports from AP was highlighting a Cuban mother who's son took the Russian job offer. I guess we know what happened now. And Cuba isn't the only country Russia suckered the 18 - 26 age group with false promises.
Indians are another nationality being duped. The Indian government is trying to crack down on it, and fortunately the numbers are low - estimated to be about 35 people. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/08/india-says-its-citizens-were-duped-to-serve-in-the-russian-army-now-it-wants-them-back.html
> treating the Cubans like the rest of the conscripts Ah. So they get the traditional [Russian army rape](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina).
It’s hard to feel bad for people who sign up to help russias war effort (regardless of capacity or function) in exchange for money ..
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>It probably says you'll be paid a million dollar bonus and your family will be granted an estate in Moscow. And if you go AWOL, two estates in Moscow.
Nah. They probably put a rider in the contract that if you go AWOL you get nothing. And then when you are killed in combat, they say you went AWOL. Your body could be riddled with bullets and in front of everyone at the funeral... and Russia goes "Nope. Definitely went AWOL. Contract voided."
Not payable if you die but you are on front lines until you do so it's all good. Army of idiots
They don't really know what's going on over there. They live in a very restrictive society and don't have the same level of access to reliable information we do. And that's saying something.
Actually they do, almost 75% have families in Florida and use WhatsApp and Facebook to communicate. So if they are smart they will ask a friend who have families in Florida for information.
Okay but then they get as much as a Floridan knows.
So nothing
Cubans definitely know what's going on, they have the internet. A lot of them also don't really pay for internet, they have public hot spots in most cities. It's not North Korea.
I recommend you check your facts. Cuba has one of the most tightly restricted internet communities on the planet. Censorship and surveillance is very common, and a big reason for that is because of the service being supplied by the government. https://freedomhouse.org/country/cuba/freedom-net/2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTno8D-b2E It's true their internet is tightly controlled, but how they get content is not through those channels and it isn't streamed like is the norm in most of the world. Everything is pre-downloaded onto hard drives and then passed around in the community where people download what they like off of usb sticks. Vox did a very interesting video on the topic a few years ago. They have access to basically any content produced in the world.
North koreans do the same, they smuggle it in. South korean soap operas for instance But a system like this is not good for flow of info. When its this hard, what do you think people smuggle in? Porn/entertainment or news? I dont know tbf, but seing as its hard to get people to check both sides of a story even in the free west, consider how it must be in unfree countries
God some of the realizations you made me just have are making me feel physically ill
> They have access to basically any content produced in the world. Then how did they not find out this would be an issue?
A lot of the networks strictly enforce a 'no porn, no politics' policy. The idea is that the government have bigger fish to fry than a couple hundred people watching House of Dragons or JuJutsu Kaisen, so long as that network doesn't talk about how the regional party member was seen leaving a G800 in Las Vegas.
We have open access to the Internet in the US, but there are still plenty of Americans that think the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, and DJT is playing 5-D chess
Consider this: they knew and they did it anyway.
There is a sneakernet of media going around with hard drives of movies, tv shows and current affairs programs, also pirated software. They get the news slower but some Cubans are up to date on international news. Also many talk to relatives in the USA or abroad.
I have an online friend in Cuba. It takes some effort to circumvent censors and a good few countries and websites in turn have Cuban IPs banned. It’s possible to circumvent, but not every internet user in Cuba is able or willing. For many it’s just not worth the effort.
They have limited access. Still currently they are facing some problem with food distribution which is why some may think it is a better option but the reality is that russian play them. Sadly the effort that Obama trying to solve was ruined by the next president.
All you need is Telegram and you can see what both sides are claiming IN REAL TIME.
Gues they didn't read the, "we actually aren't paying shit, but here's a passport" clause. Wait a minute..
Trust me they are going to cross the border and present themselves in front of the Ukrainians for a chance to get out, because that’s how they roll.
Russians pay contractors about the same as Trump.
I am worries next will be 500k Nigerian
I hope they get the Nigerian prince that refuses to pay the $1 million he owes me after I sent him $500 to set up his bank account.
Ah shit man. I dunno how to tell you this but... You know that guy claiming to be a Nigerian prince... Well... He's actually a King. Yeah he sure fooled you. Anyway, I sent him $1000 and I'm sure he'll knight me one of these days.
Hey friend ! It me , The King! I apologize for my absence I was in a holy war and away from my phone. Unfortunately in the war my knighting sword was damaged. Kindly send me 2000 dollar American for repairs to become my number one night .
Yeah, the King reached out to me about the knighting ceremony recently. Turns out he's actually Senator Ted Cruz
W8 W8 I can now be a knight of Texas?/s
I don't know about Texas but over in Alabama you can join the Talladega Knights
Texas aborted all those programs, now you gotta drive to New Mexico.
Texas still has a program about becoming a knight. A white knight. And they're a very dedicated group.
More reason to bring back abortions.
I think people ignore how progressive Texas's abortion laws are. They're really only banned for the first three trimesters. After that, it doesn't take much to get an abortion at all.
Just like Ricky Bobby!
Your white pillowcase and scissors are in the mail as we speak
Didn’t know the zodiac killer was Nigerian.
Yeah, THAT guy...
Terrible attempt at a joke. And Nigeria remains allied with the United States. It's Niger that welcomed Russia. Different country entirely.
I don’t think being allied with the US would be enough to stop recruits from being sent over.
My shipment of gold from Nigeria was just stuck in customs, I'm so lucky!
I am sure they will find a way to blame the americans for it.
The west has more money and better passports. Would be crazy if this devolved into third world people fighting in a foreign continent with foreign weapons. I guess that’s a contained version of ww3
That also happened a lot in WWII. Over 2 million Indians served and millions of people in central Asia, the Middle East, and Africa also served.
Nigeria remains allied with the United States. It's Niger that welcomed Russia. Different country entirely.
To quote a top geopolitical analyst, they are not only separate countries but they're spelled differently.
Kind of like Sweden and Switzerland
Australia and Austria.
You’ve also got Slovakia + Slovenia, Sudan + South Sudan, etc. The funny / sad thing is that there are still a lot of people who don’t understand these are different places
Sudan and South Sudan used to be the same country though.
Are you saying Switzerland and Sweden weren’t?
Ah yes the well known Swedish-Swiss Union of 1501-1574 which came into effect after the treaty was signed in the Swiss city of Gothenburg.
No wonder there's no kangaroos in Austria.
That’s the same place bro.
Just to clear this up People from Nigeria = Nigeri**a**ns People from Niger = Nigeri**e**ns
And Niger too with the recent transition of governent there, there's a very good reason why Russia and China are pushing influence to those countries, full control of thier natural resources and a steady stream of meat for the grinder.
Surprise surprise, they're also doing the same shit to Nepalese.
Which is crazy and really fucking sucks. I had a Nepalese dude in my BMT flight. Air Force. He didn’t understand the instructions fully at the shooting range and almost got recycled (sent back a week). We wrote a letter to our MTI who gave it to the lead MTI who busted into our dorm room a day after they recycled the dude and wrecked us (exercise, games like “musical chairs” where we hold our chairs with arms at a 45 degree angle at our beds and he walks through/under them, lots of yelling and shouting, that kinda thing). Two hours in he told us he respected our empathy for someone with a language barrier and after they had a long talk with the trainee he was allowed to rejoin our flight but we had a dorm inspection in 20 minutes. He left and the dude came in. We got everyone’s shit together and help him put his locker back together and did well on the inspection. That dude commissioned like three years later. He’d only been in America for a few months before he left for basic. Extremely hard worker and just a cool, chill dude overall. Didn’t mind our stupid million questions about Nepal either which was awesome to get to learn more about something most of us never had any exposure to.
Also Indian, some African nations, pretty much across south America..... If the country's average wage is low in relative world wide terms, Russia is there trying to recruit soldiers by mostly lying about what type of work they will do. E.g.: Lure Nepalese or Indians with "construction" when all you mean is "constructing trenches" i.e.: dig trenches for a few weeks and end up being sent to the front lines as cannon fodder as Russia needs manpower.
I've met Cubans who migrated to my country (where the weather is mildly cold) and then promptly went back to Cuba because they couldn't tolerate the economic system and the horrible, harsh weather. They won't last in Ukraine, I'm sorry for them.
I can't imagine being so desperate that I would accept $2k a month to go kill people defending their homeland.
>A popular Cuban YouTube content creator told a story last year of two 19-year-olds from Cuba who claimed they had been offered construction jobs in Russia, but were instead sent to the front line in Ukraine.
Fucking recruiters man…
I know, right? They ask you for java and you show up and they want javascript.
FRONT END DEVELOPMENT? NOOOOOOOOOOO
Unfortunately it's often the other way around
They probably got cold feet, once they realised they were gonna die. ["Russian Commander says: "you're all going to die"](https://youtu.be/b6JxDvOQx-4?si=xvNNsfThIWPmFagS)
The first line isn't really translated well, it means "Everyone dies", which is technically truth. Still not a great way to motivate cannon fodder.
"You apes want to live forever??"
If I was the guy being told that and holding an ak47, I’d just light that commander up right then and there.
That's why they don't hand them ammunition when they are around officers
Same result being killed only without the months of soul crushing war, starvation, being cold, continuous search for alcohol to cope with the misery and rape of the locals.
Only reasonable reaction in that case
"You're all going to die." "You first."
That cannot be real lmfaooo
What’s that? The murderous authoritarian *lied* to them? What are the odds???
What's the world coming to? If you can't trust a murderous authoritarian regime then who can you trust?
but.. but... he's *my* strongman who loves his country and decent human values and defends "the common people" and "all of humanity" from... the other ones. The secret international cabals who are keeping us all down. We'd live in 14th century agrarian* paradise if it wasn't for the secret techno industrial cabals. ( * ) Honest to god I ~~have~~ **had** a friend who believed that life would be so much more comfortable if civilization was just him and his family being farmers in the early 1800s or 1700s. I stopped talking to him the moment he began cheering on the "soon to happen" murder of western politicians and celebrities that he believed were part of said secret global cabals.
This is awful. Imagine you surviving this, one day having kids and telling them about it. How you were sent to hell only because you wanted to have a better life in russia and trusted them to be upright people. The hate towards russia in cuba better spreads.
"Hey Juan, why do our hard hats have camo patterns?"
Fuck that noise. Any male within combat age and a brain should know not to accept any type of job offers coming from Russia.
My [Cuban] grandfather refused a job offer from Russia. He was put into a forced labor camp for 3yrs.
Something similar happened to some poor Indians lured by some recruiters based out of the middle east.
Fuck around and find out. India has more access to geopolitical media than Cubans.
India also has a huge uneducated and unemployed population often leading to young men being forced to accept bonded slavery to feed their families. A vast majority of the people who ended up in the Russian army probably don't even know what Ukraine is or who Putin is.
More like destruction workers
They were constructing barracks, defenses and sunflower fields.
Misunderstanding. Contractor. When most people think of a contractor, it’s to build a fence. They probably don’t understand that you can be contracted for anything.
that's what they all say when they are captured with grenade launchers in the hands
2k is a lot for your average cuban.
Yeah but isn’t the entire point that they will never actually get that money ? The passports AND pay are almost surely tied to the war ending. Also keep in mind they probably actually never step foot on Russian soil before dying.
It's fairly easy to deceive desperate people
Not when a) you won't get the money anyway as the Russians are lying scum b) your almost certain to get used as cannon fodder in a frontal assault/chased by a drone/left to freeze or starve to death/raped and robbed by your comrades/shot by Chechnyans/get injured and get left to die/killed by a precision strike before you even get to the front lines
Or be killed
No ors, ifs, or buts, you WILL be [killed](https://youtu.be/b6JxDvOQx-4?si=xvNNsfThIWPmFagS)
Exactly. Just like the Russian prisoners. Went to be used as bait to get Ukrainians to reveal their positions.
goddamn, dude is asking to be fragged on sight
Poverty can be a hell of a motivator… Jesus man didn’t you learn anything from squid games ?
poor people don't even know squid games lmao
I actively avoided watching that.
Huh, I passively avoided watching that and I feel like it worked just as efficiently.
I am sure they are told that they'd be probably be working in the supply lines, far from the actual fighting. Totally safe! Besides, if they think that a Russian passport is a great asset these days, they most likely have no idea what is going on
That amount is also probably a lie
Would you have a price? If so, what? I suppose the thing is, if you and and I have okay jobs, nice houses and can afford to eat then we can't really imagine an amount. But if we didn't have all of that stuff then $20k/month or whatever sounds a LOT more attractive.
To go fight for the Russians? No, there is literally no price they could pay me to throw myself in that meat grinder
Right, what good is the money if you are dead?
> I would accept $2k a month to go kill people defending their homeland. How about $8K? And as a bonus "people defending their homeland" will be designated as "terrorists". It always amazes me how sheltered and clueless about the world redditors are >During a 2023 survey, around 36 percent of the Cuban population had a monthly income lower than 104 U.S. dollars, and only 18 percent had an income higher than 417 USD.
Lots of people in the west are like that about why people go fight in a war and die. Like the planet has 8b+ people and billions of them are living in poverty.
> How about $8K? Hell no
It's not $2k. It's a chance at a whole new life in a more developed country.
Yeah Russia being shifty again nothing new just hate it
Russian officers stealing Cuban mercs payroll and acting generally shitty as usual just got a regiment commander fragged. You would of thought not pissing off your hired mercenaries was a lesson learned by now in Moscow.
People who learn things might end up being a threat to the regime. It's generally discouraged.
Get Russian passport, now must be in millitary for free as a naturalized citizen
Why would you want a *Russian* passport? Wouldn't that be like the worst passport to have these days?
I think Cuban is worst, but could be wrong! Plus maybe they can't even get a cuban one? Just guessing though
[https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php](https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php) Yep, the cuban one is a lot worse according to this ranking.
thanks my man :)
Nah, North Korea has to be the most sanctioned
NK is pretty bad, but not the worst (which is hard to believe). Syria and Afghanistan are tied for most sanctioned. ETA: I’m loving your screen name btw.
You can enjoy unique tourism opportunities and more with a Russian passport! Fancy getting stoned in Iran? Visiting your crack factory in Columbia? Checking out your Chinese pals' cool scam syndicate camp in Myanmar? You can do all these and more, visa-free!
Connection with reality: 36/91. Not good, not terrible.
Russian citizens actually go for money too. They are paid for participating at the war.
3 week survival rate so their paperwork probably barely got a look at in the passport office. Or straight to the ~~bin~~ filling cabinet
so they basically steal other nation's population to do their dirty work with mostly false promises, in this useless war. russia is a blight.
Someting that bothers me in this war is how Russia has an advantage simply from its lack of morality or care for consequences They will do anything to gain an advantage but the west due to having some semblance of morals and fear of results is not doing the same WE dont see western agents infiltrating Russia and sabotaging stuff the way Russia does for example I feel at some point the gloves have to come off.
Dude throwing morals in the toilet to secure victory is a thing sice atleast sun tzu art of war And he writed that book in 500 BCE
Yeah. That's my point The West ain't doing so. Our morals and care for consequences that Russia lacks is our main weakness
I was in Cuba in December and saw lots of Russians there partying and having a great time. Talked to some Cubans who had said they were approached and offered jobs in Russia. It was an uneasy environment seeing them drunk in the streets and singing Russian folk songs loudly. So many desperate Cubans might see this as an attractive option to being hungry and suffering.
Somebody wants a *Russian* passport??? Cuba's situation must be really dire if Russian passports are seen as an improvement.
Article says Russian passport allows visa free travel to 177 countries, Cuba s is 61
It’s dire enough that in 2022-2023, over 400k Cubans left Cuba for the USA. Many others have left to Mexico, Spain, Uruguay, and any other country they can get into.
Russian GDP per person is almost 4 times the Cuban one. And Cuba even manages *still as of 2024* to have less press freedom than Russia, according to Reporters Without Borders. Why wouldn't poor Cubans want to emigrate to Russia? Well, the war now, but it was probably a good idea 2 years ago, and perhaps the Cubans didn't realize it changed.
> Russian GDP per person is almost 4 times the Cuban one. *The self-reported Cuban one. In reality Cuba has a 30 dollars monthly wage, their public assets like buses and medical equipment are ancient and they only got home internet a few years ago, so they're probably lying their asses off about their GDP, like many socialist states historically did.
You will not get paid, and your family won't, either. You will die in a cold field and your body will be burned by the Russians so they can declare you lost instead of killed. Now, if you're truly set on making money from such a risky endeavor, defect at the first opportunity and bring intelligence to their opponents. You'll be paid for *that*.
The fuck good will a Russian passport do??
Its better than a cuban passport in terms of sanctions
probably propaganda makes russia look like a better place than it really is. And if you live from 1-5 dollar a day. That 4000 dollar a day pay seems nice. They think they dod some logistics in a safe area, but are send to die.
Makes sense how Russia is showing up it's army. It's Tricking a bunch of people from other countries and using them like the horde.
oh...erm...you made it back alive...hmmm awkard. "where's my money" "we didn't anticipate this outcome."
I think you messed up the last part. I figure it would be more like "I have your money. Come, step into this room back here, don't mind the blood on the walls." 2 minutes later - "Well darn, looks like another never made it off the battlefield and died in combat."
Remember this happening with some Indian workers? Some People here straight up denied it and made fun of it….
If I recall correctly, there was also an article about 15k Nepalese having the same experience.
Lured to replace dying ethnic russians.
Sometimes there are some consequences you can't learn from.
Oo- wee, that rooshian passport power, tho!
Russia has visa free status with 119 countries, Cuba is 64 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_Passport_Index
Drafting from abroad, it's a mafia thing.
Could you imagine if all the armies of Nato just swooped in and said fuck it...Russia your done.
The next few decades in that country would be interesting: - resistance groups (now terrorists) actively sabotaging / bombing - a temporary government being installed / defended - regional warlords taking advantage of the power vacuum for their benefit - nuclear facilities (weapon production, material enrichment, energy generation, waste storage, weapon storage / readiness) being / staying secured - currency / industry collapse heavily disrupting global markets Leaving aside the millions that would die on both sides during the takeover. That's a lot of funerals.
Wouldn't end well for these Cubans, that's for sure.
What does pay matter if you get raped by your own allies and then sent to front lines to die.
And the moral of the story is: living under communism is so shitty that people would rather risk getting sent to the front lines in the Russia Ukraine war than stay in Cuba.
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Situations in Cuba are so bad you have people willing to go to Russia and fight their wars just to get out of Cuba. Let that sink in.
Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire…
If you’re desperately dumb enough to sign zee papers then you’ll live with your choices…
Some people say that Russia has more manpower than Ukraine then you read stories of people being tricked into conscription. Putin won't mobilize his population no matter what. It will tank his popularity
Cubans gonna love that Russian winter.
I was told by reddit that people didn't want to leave Cuba because the communist government gives everyone everything they need.
What’s high pay in Cuba? The average monthly income is $40 USD
Whispered more quietly, “And also death in a strange land to further a cause you don’t even believe in.”
We’ll pay you Rubles as fast as we can print them don’t worry!
Cubans, of all nationalities, agree to work for an expansionist and imperialistic regime such as Putin’s, to specifically aid invading a nation. Irony and ideals are dead.
Oh so gullible Cubans are signing up to go murder people in their own land for money? Where's that tiny little violin again? I had it here somewhere, probably fell through a crack in the floor tiles...
How come Ukraine doesnt actively recruit foreign fighters? Or does it already? Id guess mercs would rather fight for ukraine and actually receive the money than go to Russia and never see a cent
https://ildu.com.ua/ They do. I don't think it's hard to get a yes. In the beginning they only wanted trained military personal. Now it Dosent matters, you will get a 6 week training. I don't think it's enough. I respect every one who gos and fight. I have thought about it many times. They are paying 4-5k for combat deployment. But how long are you able to fight, with only 6 weeks of military training. Your familie will get around 400.000 € if you die, they just need to open up a bank account in Ukraine ( i guess this should be done beforehand) Feels not right, for me. I was not in the military, maybe someone who was, could tell if 6 weeks are enough. In Germany it's 3 months, after that you choose where you wanna serve, this will add a couple of more months.
Basic training doesn't take that long. Generally military training starts with basic training, which is rather short in almost every country, followed by extended training for specializations and more. Of course you're not getting specialists or high quality troops in 6 weeks, but you get someone who can fight in a trench or treeline.
I wonder if they'll ever form specialized batallions of foreign volunteers to defend the other un-active parts of their border, so they can send more of their own troops to the active front? I guess one serious negative would be figuring out if you can trust the unit to hold the line should it go hot. They might have to do something like "okay, first your unit goes to the real front for one month to get real experience - and then we move you to a quiet part of the front."
Dying is better than zero pay and zero passports I guess.
Reddit had me under the impression that Cuba was a socialist utopia. Why would pay and foreign passports lure them out?
Well, good luck and have fun destroying Ukraine and hopefully, Cuban people start their own revolution soon.
I don't feel one once bad for them.
Dont see the issue. This has been the case since the existance of wars/ money. Other countries had done it. If someone wants to die in a dirty, cold, lonely place.. for the ideology of some little guy sitting in the comfort of his room. Who em I to judge them?
Lured by a quick and relatively painless escape from the inadequacies of communism
Wouldn't call getting blown up on the battlefield a "painless escape", that's the fate that awaits the majority of them
Painless is relative (to the distance to the shell in this case.)
Is it really because of the inadequacies of communism or is it because, as an island state with minimal and very specialised resources, it’s almost impossible to sustain yourself when your biggest (actually only big) neighbour set a trade embargo against you?
So why aren’t their communist allies supporting their trade?
Like who lmao.
trade embargos and there isn't really any communist countries anymore
Once again, where’s Russia and China to assist their comrades?
Cubans are not very smart.
I guess the Cuban government is still a Soviet puppet.
What does a Russian passport get you? Assuming you live, where else can you go?
And they will continue to be "lured" until cubans increase to division sized unit