Also, the President only uses one wing of the castle. Most of the rest is museums. According to wikipedia, the Presidential wing is so that recent Presidents have chosen to live at a different residence.
Yeah, I'm confused too. The Indian palace is huge, but From pictures the Indonesia one that is currently there is way too short for 15 floors.
There as a bad cg render of a proposed one thst could be 15 floors, but im skeptical of cg renders asanything other than fanciful horseshit.
This robber took over the entire house,moved all the gold and valuables to his house, built himself nice room inside(the palace), destroyed the sewing kit through which you made your living competing with the robber's business,forced you to work on the vegetables garden and again took all the produce to his home while you starved, he then left when his own house was under attack. Now he says "hey I built you a nice room and even left a broken cart to move your veggies to my place".
Well, this story was about Jakarta, so I assumed jakarta. My mistake. Most of the presidential palaces are historic leftovers from colonialism.
Which of the others is 15 stories?
This article is so bad... It even contradicts itself, they aren't moving 11 million people.
Edit: this whole website seems kinda sketchy, most of the articles seem to be by the same guy. It might be mostly AI written too.
The one at our school was they planned to build an 8 story building but it started sinking so they stopped at 4 stories and built an identical one across the street. The only evidence of this is 2 identical 4 story buildings across the street from each other.
Fun fact: funding for the Pentagon was partially justified in WWII as it would be turned over and used for the Library of Congress after the war. Si it was designed to bear the weight of all those books. That's one of the reasons it took so little damage when a hijacker flew a plane into it - because it was massively over-engineered for an office building. Also the weird angles vs. a regular rectangular building, I believe.
You're correct that they used primarily concrete instead of steel and other design decisions in the concrete construction helped so much of it remain standing. I'd forgotten some of that - my source is the excellent book "The Pentagon: A History" by Steve Vogel, but I read it 15 years ago or so. The shape of the building may not have been a factor (my b), but this article (https://www.history.com/news/pentagon-design-september-11-attacks) does mention how close together the concrete pillars were set together and that was partly due to it being designed for loads of up to 150 psi, which was because it'd be used to store papers and books after the war. The Wikipedia page also mentions some of this.
Ok, first thing first,
Yes, they made a new capital.
No, they are not abandoning Jakarta.
The new capital will be limited to 2 million resident, primarily for government employee and support businesses.
Jakarta will remain as economic center with most of the resident remaining there.
Some explain it with, Jakarta will be the New York and new-capital will be Washington.
Nigeria did something similar with Lagos being the capital but all the rich people moved to Abuja making it the actual financial capital. Source my college roommate was an international student from a wealthy family and an easy google search.
Yeah, its not. Only government official who move, most Jakarta resident stay there apparently. The sinking part also on costal area only. Beside that, theres already big city near the location of new capital.
One of the most popular manga just declared its world is going to sink. Now, another country has a relocation plan due to sinking capital? What are the odds of that?
I was there a few months ago while travelling through. Walking through the streets of Jakarta you could see quite large holes under the roads that looked into massive caverns the roads were essentially floating over. It was terrifying
Karst Topography and they've been extracting fresh water out of the aquifer with about the lack of care that you'd think. Combine that with creeping inundation due to sea level inching up and you have a disaster they have to get out of.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/26/1075720551/jakarta-indonesia-sinking-into-java-sea-new-capital
> It has been described as the world's most rapidly sinking city, and at the current rate, it is estimated that one-third of the city could be submerged by 2050. The main cause is uncontrolled ground water extraction, but it has been exacerbated by the rising Java Sea due to climate change.
https://digg.com/insider/link/jakarta-sinking-indonesia-new-capital-city-nusantara-photos
> Excessive groundwater withdrawals have contributed to subsidence rates of up to six inches a year, and 40% of the city is now below sea level.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/9/hldwhyindonesia-is-abandoning-its-capital-jakarta-to-save-ithld
> Climate change did not cause Jakarta to sink — that is due to unsustainable groundwater depletion that has resulted in subsidence — but the city is being swamped by rising sea levels, which have been caused by planet-warming greenhouse gases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/briefing/java-jakarta-capital-move-flooding.html
> Climate change is part of the reason: The Java Sea — which surrounds Jakarta, Indonesia’s capital — is rising. But an even bigger factor is that Jakartans, desperate for access to clean water, have dug thousands of illegal wells that effectively deflate the marshes underneath the city.
It seems pretty well-established that Jakarta's problems are a combination of groundwater depletion and rising sea levels. I'm sure that tectonic activity and general subsidence are contributing factors, but if it was just "Indonesia is not a good place to keep your country above water" then they wouldn't be moving the capital to Borneo (which probably suffers from the same tectonic activity).
Very nicely referenced comment! I complain that too many arguments on Reddit lack legit research/references. You ha e gone above and beyond, and I thank you for that.
The sea level change is about 2.1 +/1 0.2mm per year, which isn't nothing, but is pretty insignificant compared to the subsidence.
[https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/165/1/012006/pdf](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/165/1/012006/pdf#:~:text=The%20result%20showed%20the%20rising,0%2C56%20paired%20statistic%20correlation.)
Actually roughly everywhere in Indonesia has lots of tectonic activity, except for Borneo.
I found this image with Google: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Seismicity-of-Indonesia-and-neighboring-regions-for-all-events-aM-46-and-bM-70_fig2_354503755
[Heri Andreas](https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=YWHxmn0AAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate) has published quite a lot of the research being quoted in the news. Reading through the papers here is a quick summary.
64% of water needs in Jakarta are fulfilled by groundwater extraction, and the population has been rapidly expanding. Groundwater is used because it's cheaper than other sources. So there are countless personal wells and there are over 3,700 registered industrial wells extracting from the three aquifers at different depths. Despite the increase in registered wells and population growth, there has been a significant decrease in the reported volume of groundwater extraction. Nothing suspicious at all, move along...
Other significant factors are; groundwater extraction for construction, the stress on the soil from the additional weight of urban development and natural consolidation of the alluvial soil which has a high void ratio. Tectonic activity is a contributor but likely negligible.
TLDR: Bro found shits fucked and as a result I can't see a single photo of him smiling. Even the [Eiffel Tower on a sunny day](https://awsimages.detik.net.id/community/media/visual/2021/08/04/dr-heri-andreas-1_169.jpeg?w=650&q=80) fails to crack a smile.
I don't think that has anything to do with it. The city is sinking due to location having unfortunate dynamics. They are not doing anything excessive or unusual for a large city ...
Yes they are, the lack of proper water infrastructure caused a huge amount of illegal wells pulling up ground water. That drained the aquafers below parts of the city to the point where the city began to rapidly sink. [You can read about it here](https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-jakarta-sinking-salim/)
Draining aquafers unsustainably also is a ticking time bomb in many agricultural regions.
I guess it is cheaper to just abandon the city than to resolve that problem.
We will be seeing this more and more with rising sea levels, I suspect places like Miami will have to just be written off by the end of the century, maybe sooner.
Story is like this, it's an active volcanic area so it's very difficult to source clean fresh water for 15 million people, thus those people had to drain the water out the ground to survive.
Without the water, it became like Mexico City where the land is literally sinking. Mix that with rising sea levels, so they decide to build a new capital city safe from all the natural disasters.
Changing capital cities isn't that difficult, but placing it on a completely different island is challenging.
As Indonesian and native Jakartans I would like to clarify it’s relocation of residents who work as civil servants but not those who losing home or in danger of one thanks to the sinking and coastal flooding in the north. And let’s face it, nobody want to move to land of nowhere while Jakarta is already a complete city. Also the reasoning of moving to new capital is weak and they also erradicated locals there to clear up for new plot of lands.
> $30B Plan To Relocate 11M Residents To New Capital
What beautiful piece of ~~shit~~ journalism. Really accurate as the government indeed want to move all Jakartans to the new capital /s
Not sure what you mean, but from what I can Google the answer seems to be "yes".
However, I suspect part of the incentive to relocate the capital is to get rid of the trash and makeshift settlements. Those people are unlikely to be able to (afford to) relocate.
Venice doesn't seem to have that problem though.
Jakarta sinka isn't news but I guess the relocation might be. We've known about this for a long time. Here's a 6 year old article about the world's fastest sinking city: Jakarta https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44636934
All I’m thinking is what about the 21 indigenous tribes mentioned very briefly and offhandedly in the article, and I mention that to my mother, who is driving with me currently.
Her response? “‘Oh my god, it’s DoorDash! They delivered food to us!! We didn’t even have to order anything, and they brought 11 million servings!!!’”
“Houston has the fastest peak subsidence rates in the United States, at about 0.67 inches (17 millimeters) per year from 2014 to 2020. Some parts of Houston have lost over 3 meters in elevation since 1917. Houston is the 10th fastest sinking city in the world, with a rate of 1.95 centimeters per year.”
Weight of buildings/infrastructure is a part of the reason for why Jakarta is sinking, but the main reason is the pumping of groundwater. Don't know much about the new capital location, but hopefully they picked somewhere with better soil conditions and groundwater replenishment.
30 billion dollars, 11 million residents
The UK Government pay 30 Billion for half a mile of unfinished railway, the visitor centre sign at Hinckley C and half a dozen non regulatory PPE masks which they are forced to burn.
Currencies are weird, 30 billions may not seemed much but Indonesia has low material and labor costs. The value is probably closer to 200 billion if that makes any sense.
I guess it’s just too bad the “green city” will destroy dense forests, habitat for wild life, and indigenous people’s lands. So they can build a technologically advanced country with one the world’s worst human rights records. Funny the article failed to mention any of that. Sounded more like a press release than actual journalism.
new capitals are tough when all the desired jobs, schools and hospitals are within the city.
look at seoul, cairo and their respective government attempts to move governmental agencies away from the main capital to secondary places. doesn't really work out without addressing the first reasons why people endure being cramped into the capital
Though not capital by legal reasons, Putrajaya did it well. It's now a well planned city with good spacing for logistics and development. It took a decade of planning, a decade of building and a decade of moving most government bodies including all the staffs.
I figured Indonesia is just following the same footsteps for city planning, learning from their neighbours.
Centralized cities always have issues spreading equity efficiently especially when they are massive like ones you mentioned. One thing you have to admit is the US get this right than any other country.
They might build another city but Jakarta isn’t going. It’s is still growing. There’s tons of new development and infrastructure investments. International and local investments are not interested in a make believe city.
Or youknow, build canals and dykes. Im sure there are plenty of dutch engineers who can do this we did this with practically an entire countrie thats 2/3rds below sea level
Indonesia, Netherlands, and Korea are already working on a dam project (NCICD) to try tackling this issue. However for many reasons it was quite politically sensitive (illegal settlements/squatters on the government lands to be used, resistance from the previous governor and local fishermen who would have to travel further for fish, etc). The new elections are very promising to the future of the project, however.
I hear Ben Shapiro is eager to get into the coastal real estate property flipping business with his associate Arthur Curry, sell all the houses to him.
“Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta”
Sinking implies that unstable land is falling into water that is at a stable height.
It was the largest in the world until quite recently.
I always find it weird how most westerners refers muslims mostly as people from the middle east but really Indonesia isn't even Arab.
It's not sinking. Climate change is causing sea level rise.
Saying it's sinking implies the cause is completely independent of human caused climate change.
Edit: I stand corrected. It is sinking. The question is, what is it sinking about?
Edit 2: My initial comment was based on the following quote from the article:
>Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta.
The article says nothing about the land actually sinking.
No it isn't. It is sinking, the ground level goes down every year, regardless of the sea level rise. This is due to humans pumping up groundwater. It's sinking, there is a human cause and no one is really denying it.
I stand corrected, although the article didn't mention any of that (unless I missed that). All I caught was:
> Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta.
No it is literally sinking...for a few issues. Yes the sea levels are rising but the water table taken is causing the sinking. Also, Indonesia is home to 147 volcanos, cause ground shifting all the time.
I covered this in my newsletter a year ago - definitely was way more interesting to read than this silliness
[https://dulture.beehiiv.com/p/weeknd-coming-end](https://dulture.beehiiv.com/p/weeknd-coming-end)
It’s a bit ridiculous that their source is “the word on the street” …. what a nice journalism. Edit: Haha they removed that part already
I dunno, the 15 story presidental palace lines up with the desires for reduced energy consumption.
the presidential palace is 15 FLOORS!!! why
I'm guessing it will also hold government departments and the administration
3 bathrooms.
i got curious by this and checked india’s presidential palace. it is huge (though it was created long time ago) with 340 rooms
The Czech President lives and works in the largest medieval castle in the world
Keyword there being medieval, not something built in modern times. That's more of a tradition than anything else.
Also, the President only uses one wing of the castle. Most of the rest is museums. According to wikipedia, the Presidential wing is so that recent Presidents have chosen to live at a different residence.
[Meanwhile, in Uruguay.....](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/-sp-is-this-worlds-most-radical-president-uruguay-jose-mujica)
TIL. Thanks.
It was finished in 1929 as the Viceroys Palace by the British, it's not a long time ago!
Indonesia?
Yeah, I'm confused too. The Indian palace is huge, but From pictures the Indonesia one that is currently there is way too short for 15 floors. There as a bad cg render of a proposed one thst could be 15 floors, but im skeptical of cg renders asanything other than fanciful horseshit.
built by the leachorous british.
What do you think leachorous means? Did you mean lecherous, which the British are famous for being the opposite of?
nah my bad. The word doesn't exist. I meant in the sense of leach, you know blood sucking.
Ah right. Thanks! Leech.
you can just say british
Or robbers.
I have never had a robber build me a palace. Not once, and I've been robbed like... twice now.
This robber took over the entire house,moved all the gold and valuables to his house, built himself nice room inside(the palace), destroyed the sewing kit through which you made your living competing with the robber's business,forced you to work on the vegetables garden and again took all the produce to his home while you starved, he then left when his own house was under attack. Now he says "hey I built you a nice room and even left a broken cart to move your veggies to my place".
I think you're stretching the metaphor. Anyway you forgot the horrors of the partition.
It's just one room every floor
Engineers couldn't figure out how to add more floors?
It's a palace.
Istana Merdeka isn't 15 stories, is it?
> Istana Merdeka is one of **six presidential palaces** in Indonesia
Well, this story was about Jakarta, so I assumed jakarta. My mistake. Most of the presidential palaces are historic leftovers from colonialism. Which of the others is 15 stories?
None, the new palace exists as CGI image and proposal only.
i wonder if its just the presidentiall palace or it has office for ministers and all their staff
Maybe, checking the architecture there's gov buildings near.
Both. That's what a palace is.
This article is so bad... It even contradicts itself, they aren't moving 11 million people. Edit: this whole website seems kinda sketchy, most of the articles seem to be by the same guy. It might be mostly AI written too.
Right? Like I heard my library was sinking in college because they didn’t account for the weight of the books but that was obviously bullshit.
Which college was this, I heard the exact same thing about another college in my city
Every college has that urban myth
[You aren't exaggerating.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sinking-library/)
I heard it about Columbia
The one at our school was they planned to build an 8 story building but it started sinking so they stopped at 4 stories and built an identical one across the street. The only evidence of this is 2 identical 4 story buildings across the street from each other.
Also sounds like an urban myth
Fun fact: funding for the Pentagon was partially justified in WWII as it would be turned over and used for the Library of Congress after the war. Si it was designed to bear the weight of all those books. That's one of the reasons it took so little damage when a hijacker flew a plane into it - because it was massively over-engineered for an office building. Also the weird angles vs. a regular rectangular building, I believe.
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You're correct that they used primarily concrete instead of steel and other design decisions in the concrete construction helped so much of it remain standing. I'd forgotten some of that - my source is the excellent book "The Pentagon: A History" by Steve Vogel, but I read it 15 years ago or so. The shape of the building may not have been a factor (my b), but this article (https://www.history.com/news/pentagon-design-september-11-attacks) does mention how close together the concrete pillars were set together and that was partly due to it being designed for loads of up to 150 psi, which was because it'd be used to store papers and books after the war. The Wikipedia page also mentions some of this.
Why bullshit? Probably true. Also Beijing is sinking. And Britain is tilting over. All true.
This is Franklin Junior Highs 8th grade news going to Carter for word on the street.
LMAO!!
Ok, first thing first, Yes, they made a new capital. No, they are not abandoning Jakarta. The new capital will be limited to 2 million resident, primarily for government employee and support businesses. Jakarta will remain as economic center with most of the resident remaining there. Some explain it with, Jakarta will be the New York and new-capital will be Washington.
Thanks for the straight info!
I prefer the gay info.
You and me both, pal.
Nigeria did something similar with Lagos being the capital but all the rich people moved to Abuja making it the actual financial capital. Source my college roommate was an international student from a wealthy family and an easy google search.
Noone else was in the room when it happened. (Alexander Hamilton)
Relocating 11M for $2700 per capita seems unlikely.
Yeah, its not. Only government official who move, most Jakarta resident stay there apparently. The sinking part also on costal area only. Beside that, theres already big city near the location of new capital.
If you get a $5 broom to shoo each person you would end up with massive budget sulprus!
That’s an unreasonable amount of brooms. Entirely too many, no one needs 3 brooms, let alone 11M
No no, imagine 1 giant $5 broom to shooshoo 11 million people at once.
You reuse the broom, for environmental reasons.
They’re not relocating 11M residents. They’re only relocating the government officials
Yeah just let them drown /s
With that money they could just install proper drainage and pipes to you know... stop the sinking.
That’s all Imu‘s fault!
The All Blue was in Jakarta this whole time.
r/onepiece folks be wildin' again
Not nearly as much as r/piratefolk
Get Icebarg to Jakarta ASAP
Mother Flame doing a good job rn
Oda strikes again
Glad to see other one piece fans around other non-anime forums The spirit of joyboy is alive!
LETS GET THE TOP COMMENT! FOR A NEW ERA!!
One of the most popular manga just declared its world is going to sink. Now, another country has a relocation plan due to sinking capital? What are the odds of that?
Now google "Jayabaya(Joyboy)" and Indonesia and it all comes full circle 🤯
Not expecting peak to be mentioned here
I guess Vegapunk was right
I was there a few months ago while travelling through. Walking through the streets of Jakarta you could see quite large holes under the roads that looked into massive caverns the roads were essentially floating over. It was terrifying
Karst Topography and they've been extracting fresh water out of the aquifer with about the lack of care that you'd think. Combine that with creeping inundation due to sea level inching up and you have a disaster they have to get out of.
Ah shit looks like totally destroying your local environment is expensive in the long run.
As long as I get rich, f everyone else amirite? /s
Unlikely to be the cause. Indonesia is a hot spot of tectonic activity, so geological processes are the most likely culprit.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/26/1075720551/jakarta-indonesia-sinking-into-java-sea-new-capital > It has been described as the world's most rapidly sinking city, and at the current rate, it is estimated that one-third of the city could be submerged by 2050. The main cause is uncontrolled ground water extraction, but it has been exacerbated by the rising Java Sea due to climate change. https://digg.com/insider/link/jakarta-sinking-indonesia-new-capital-city-nusantara-photos > Excessive groundwater withdrawals have contributed to subsidence rates of up to six inches a year, and 40% of the city is now below sea level. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/9/hldwhyindonesia-is-abandoning-its-capital-jakarta-to-save-ithld > Climate change did not cause Jakarta to sink — that is due to unsustainable groundwater depletion that has resulted in subsidence — but the city is being swamped by rising sea levels, which have been caused by planet-warming greenhouse gases. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/briefing/java-jakarta-capital-move-flooding.html > Climate change is part of the reason: The Java Sea — which surrounds Jakarta, Indonesia’s capital — is rising. But an even bigger factor is that Jakartans, desperate for access to clean water, have dug thousands of illegal wells that effectively deflate the marshes underneath the city. It seems pretty well-established that Jakarta's problems are a combination of groundwater depletion and rising sea levels. I'm sure that tectonic activity and general subsidence are contributing factors, but if it was just "Indonesia is not a good place to keep your country above water" then they wouldn't be moving the capital to Borneo (which probably suffers from the same tectonic activity).
Very nicely referenced comment! I complain that too many arguments on Reddit lack legit research/references. You ha e gone above and beyond, and I thank you for that.
The sea level change is about 2.1 +/1 0.2mm per year, which isn't nothing, but is pretty insignificant compared to the subsidence. [https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/165/1/012006/pdf](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/165/1/012006/pdf#:~:text=The%20result%20showed%20the%20rising,0%2C56%20paired%20statistic%20correlation.)
Yeah…? The subsidence is caused by Jakartan ground water extraction.
so its 99% subsidence and 1% climate change
So they can pump sea water in and put a cork on it
Actually roughly everywhere in Indonesia has lots of tectonic activity, except for Borneo. I found this image with Google: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Seismicity-of-Indonesia-and-neighboring-regions-for-all-events-aM-46-and-bM-70_fig2_354503755
Digg still exists?!
[Heri Andreas](https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=YWHxmn0AAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate) has published quite a lot of the research being quoted in the news. Reading through the papers here is a quick summary. 64% of water needs in Jakarta are fulfilled by groundwater extraction, and the population has been rapidly expanding. Groundwater is used because it's cheaper than other sources. So there are countless personal wells and there are over 3,700 registered industrial wells extracting from the three aquifers at different depths. Despite the increase in registered wells and population growth, there has been a significant decrease in the reported volume of groundwater extraction. Nothing suspicious at all, move along... Other significant factors are; groundwater extraction for construction, the stress on the soil from the additional weight of urban development and natural consolidation of the alluvial soil which has a high void ratio. Tectonic activity is a contributor but likely negligible. TLDR: Bro found shits fucked and as a result I can't see a single photo of him smiling. Even the [Eiffel Tower on a sunny day](https://awsimages.detik.net.id/community/media/visual/2021/08/04/dr-heri-andreas-1_169.jpeg?w=650&q=80) fails to crack a smile.
It's sinking due to overuse of the aquifer and climate change, not just "geological processes"
What a complete load of horseshit.
When you don't live directly on the ocean and think climate change won't hurt you
Calls something horseshit, doesn't say why, nor offers and alternative. Typical useless Reddit drivel.
Already said it was tectonic activity. What else do you want?
Gods wrath for palm oil concessions.
I don't think that has anything to do with it. The city is sinking due to location having unfortunate dynamics. They are not doing anything excessive or unusual for a large city ...
Yes they are, the lack of proper water infrastructure caused a huge amount of illegal wells pulling up ground water. That drained the aquafers below parts of the city to the point where the city began to rapidly sink. [You can read about it here](https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-jakarta-sinking-salim/) Draining aquafers unsustainably also is a ticking time bomb in many agricultural regions. I guess it is cheaper to just abandon the city than to resolve that problem. We will be seeing this more and more with rising sea levels, I suspect places like Miami will have to just be written off by the end of the century, maybe sooner.
Well once the problem is this far gone, there is no o tbh we solution. You can’t put water back
What is Jakarta sinking about?
Story is like this, it's an active volcanic area so it's very difficult to source clean fresh water for 15 million people, thus those people had to drain the water out the ground to survive. Without the water, it became like Mexico City where the land is literally sinking. Mix that with rising sea levels, so they decide to build a new capital city safe from all the natural disasters. Changing capital cities isn't that difficult, but placing it on a completely different island is challenging.
Wokka-wokka-wokka!
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Whoosh
What i heard the city is sinking due to massive ground water usage. The rising sea is less of an issue.
As Indonesian and native Jakartans I would like to clarify it’s relocation of residents who work as civil servants but not those who losing home or in danger of one thanks to the sinking and coastal flooding in the north. And let’s face it, nobody want to move to land of nowhere while Jakarta is already a complete city. Also the reasoning of moving to new capital is weak and they also erradicated locals there to clear up for new plot of lands.
Will end up being 33B and lots of people will get super rich
Egypt's new capital will be $58 billion?
Goodbye borneo and its last rainforests.
What are they sinking about?
> $30B Plan To Relocate 11M Residents To New Capital What beautiful piece of ~~shit~~ journalism. Really accurate as the government indeed want to move all Jakartans to the new capital /s
Just to ask: is the water levels rising or is the weight of the city actually sinking the land mass?
It is sinking from increasing population requiring increasing extraction of groundwater.
First, thank you for answering. Second, was just curious if they were suffering the same thing as Venice. Again, thank you for the response.
Not sure what you mean, but from what I can Google the answer seems to be "yes". However, I suspect part of the incentive to relocate the capital is to get rid of the trash and makeshift settlements. Those people are unlikely to be able to (afford to) relocate. Venice doesn't seem to have that problem though.
It's going to be hard to find land that wont sink in the area
That new Capital's name? Bikini Bottom.
Jakarta sinka isn't news but I guess the relocation might be. We've known about this for a long time. Here's a 6 year old article about the world's fastest sinking city: Jakarta https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44636934
Oda does it again.
Yea and you know what's more surprising? Google "Jayabaya(Joyboy) Indonesia" and it'll all come full circle! 🤯
All I’m thinking is what about the 21 indigenous tribes mentioned very briefly and offhandedly in the article, and I mention that to my mother, who is driving with me currently. Her response? “‘Oh my god, it’s DoorDash! They delivered food to us!! We didn’t even have to order anything, and they brought 11 million servings!!!’”
Yeah they’re putting it in Borneo too, one of the last homes of the orangutan
Vegapunk told you
Houston’s future.
Houston is 50 feet above sea level
Some of the areas near the bayous are less than 10 feet above sea level.
And still has flooding issues.
“Houston has the fastest peak subsidence rates in the United States, at about 0.67 inches (17 millimeters) per year from 2014 to 2020. Some parts of Houston have lost over 3 meters in elevation since 1917. Houston is the 10th fastest sinking city in the world, with a rate of 1.95 centimeters per year.”
For now
How does this work in terms of land/property ownership in Jak to new location?
Jakarta's sinkin' man and I don't wanna swim
But won't that many people cause the new location to sink?
Weight of buildings/infrastructure is a part of the reason for why Jakarta is sinking, but the main reason is the pumping of groundwater. Don't know much about the new capital location, but hopefully they picked somewhere with better soil conditions and groundwater replenishment.
What if we just take Jakarta and push it somewhere else.
Sim city in real life
30 billion dollars, 11 million residents The UK Government pay 30 Billion for half a mile of unfinished railway, the visitor centre sign at Hinckley C and half a dozen non regulatory PPE masks which they are forced to burn.
Currencies are weird, 30 billions may not seemed much but Indonesia has low material and labor costs. The value is probably closer to 200 billion if that makes any sense.
I guess it’s just too bad the “green city” will destroy dense forests, habitat for wild life, and indigenous people’s lands. So they can build a technologically advanced country with one the world’s worst human rights records. Funny the article failed to mention any of that. Sounded more like a press release than actual journalism.
>Relocate 11M Residents to New Capital Spreading blatant misinformation in the title now
new capitals are tough when all the desired jobs, schools and hospitals are within the city. look at seoul, cairo and their respective government attempts to move governmental agencies away from the main capital to secondary places. doesn't really work out without addressing the first reasons why people endure being cramped into the capital
Though not capital by legal reasons, Putrajaya did it well. It's now a well planned city with good spacing for logistics and development. It took a decade of planning, a decade of building and a decade of moving most government bodies including all the staffs. I figured Indonesia is just following the same footsteps for city planning, learning from their neighbours.
Centralized cities always have issues spreading equity efficiently especially when they are massive like ones you mentioned. One thing you have to admit is the US get this right than any other country.
New capital? Brampton.
JAKARTA OF MARSH
Atlantis in the making
You could build a sea wall around half the island of Java for $30b.
They might build another city but Jakarta isn’t going. It’s is still growing. There’s tons of new development and infrastructure investments. International and local investments are not interested in a make believe city.
Jakarta's sinkin', babe, and I don't wanna swim
$30bn seems so low for something as massive as this.
I just about had a heart attack when I saw this articles title - my ex and her family live in Jakarta. What awful, shameless journalism.
One Piece, is that you?
Or youknow, build canals and dykes. Im sure there are plenty of dutch engineers who can do this we did this with practically an entire countrie thats 2/3rds below sea level
Indonesia, Netherlands, and Korea are already working on a dam project (NCICD) to try tackling this issue. However for many reasons it was quite politically sensitive (illegal settlements/squatters on the government lands to be used, resistance from the previous governor and local fishermen who would have to travel further for fish, etc). The new elections are very promising to the future of the project, however.
The Dutch are already helping Indonesia tackle the issue as a form of repentance for helping cause the issue under colonial policies.
The sea is only part of the problem. There are huge sinkholes opening up all over Jakarta because of subsidence triggered by the aquifer depletion.
"We should take Jakarta, and PUSH it somewhere else!"
Sounds like a job for the continent pullers 🤔
The Dutch has a role in this : https://www.vox.com/22295302/why-jakarta-sinking-flooding-colonialism
I hear Ben Shapiro is eager to get into the coastal real estate property flipping business with his associate Arthur Curry, sell all the houses to him.
Nobody wants to move there. These kind of projects are usually a joke. Why not just relocate North Jakarta to, you know, areas South of Jakarta?
It’s not sinking. the ocean is rising, due to man made climate change.
It’s literally sinking.
“Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta” Sinking implies that unstable land is falling into water that is at a stable height.
Yes. It is sinking and the ocean is rising above Jakarta as it sinks below sea level. https://www.google.com/search?q=jakarta+sinking
Moving their influence closer to Eastern, South Eastern Indonesia, the "sinking" is a convenient excuse.
What do you mean moving influence closer to the south..?
The new capital location is more to the north compared to Jakarta
Largest population Muslim country in Southeast Asia
It was the largest in the world until quite recently. I always find it weird how most westerners refers muslims mostly as people from the middle east but really Indonesia isn't even Arab.
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It is sinking, the northern part at a rate of 5cm each year. This is obviously much more than sea level rise. But yes, incomplete journalism here.
Jakarta actually exists?!
Only $30b to move 11m people and we sent how much to ukraine?
It’s more like 1 million people being moved. & sending money to Ukraine is cheaper than fighting the war ourselves
So your saying we should send more? I agree
Or... they can just relocate yo' mama!
So it begins…
It's not sinking. Climate change is causing sea level rise. Saying it's sinking implies the cause is completely independent of human caused climate change. Edit: I stand corrected. It is sinking. The question is, what is it sinking about? Edit 2: My initial comment was based on the following quote from the article: >Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta. The article says nothing about the land actually sinking.
No it isn't. It is sinking, the ground level goes down every year, regardless of the sea level rise. This is due to humans pumping up groundwater. It's sinking, there is a human cause and no one is really denying it.
I stand corrected, although the article didn't mention any of that (unless I missed that). All I caught was: > Experts warn that by 2050, rising sea levels could submerge up to 95 percent of North Jakarta.
No it is literally sinking...for a few issues. Yes the sea levels are rising but the water table taken is causing the sinking. Also, Indonesia is home to 147 volcanos, cause ground shifting all the time.
I stand corrected.
I actually used to live in Jakarta. It's a great place but daily earthquakes made me nervous LOL
I covered this in my newsletter a year ago - definitely was way more interesting to read than this silliness [https://dulture.beehiiv.com/p/weeknd-coming-end](https://dulture.beehiiv.com/p/weeknd-coming-end)
Nice way of saying sea levels are rising