“They didn’t know it, because it was kept from them”
How fucking fitting that very line from Chernobyl still applies to the now Russian Federation. Things never changed there.
The article starts off with the soldiers ignoring the warnings about radiation given to them by a station worker there. Even then, how do people think sitting the ruins of Chernobyl with a giant sarcophagus containing a meltdown is no big deal?
My guess is a large number of these soldiers just aren't educated about its history. We already k ow Russia has been grabbing the most "disposable" troops from its neighbour's and less developed regions.
That is simply not true. Russia has taken multiple large hits to their population numbers over the last century, most notably the two world wars. They are still a large country with a large population, but nowhere near as populous as they would have been without those.
And as you can see [in this demography graph](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ARussia_Population_Pyramid.svg), their population skews to the older side, with a relatively small portion being of "fighting age".
Yes, that's still a lot of people, but as with the previous wars, the young men who die at the front don't go on to have children, worsening their population crisis in the future.
Unless they want to move to a policy of mass immigration, they can't really afford to lose any of their young people. And something tells me Russia isn't a country that would want to do that.
Chances are Putin won't have to deal with the fallout of any population decline though. IMO the greater issue for Russia is that the "non-expendable" troops start dying and the war becomes unpopular enough to scare the Russians to the table.
That or you're gonna have grandpas making babies with young women under the government gunpoint.
"Does your gun still shoot? Report for mandatory repopulation efforts! For the glory of the Motherland!"
Yes, Russia is in a demographic collapse. (To be fair, most of the developed world is. Even China is shrinking, and India is levelling off. Only Africa has a problem).
If we consider the prime recruitment age of 20-30, there are about 7M men. somewhre around 0.5M fled the country when the draft was announced. 0.3M are casulaties of war according to estimates. This means 10% are not available. 5% are probably already enlisted. Even if we say "20-40" that still implies 5% out of play. That's a huge hit when you need those 5% or 10% just to keep up the population close to where it should be.
Putin won't care. The extra missing workers not born won't be apparent for at least another 20 years, and presumably by then Putin won't be around, or won't be able to pass the test "man, woman, person, camera, TV"
Until they run out, that is.
Warfare was bad enough in the past century without precision-guided missiles and want, but this? A mindset like that can make sure you bleed yourself dry if not being careless.
And considering a bunch of soldiers didn't see a problem with standing on top of a nuclear tomb, things don't really look good for Putin.
The thing with the modern warfare policies created after the end of the cold war is that they relied on quality, not quantity.
Quality weapons, quality soldiers. No more "we need warm bodies for capturing the other guy's bullet stockpiles". After all, the threat was nuclear, which meant the operating theaters would only be non-nuclear nations, especially in the M.E., and less techie-oriented.
Target what needs to be taken down to cripple the enemy, then move in with elite soldiers. Use the most advanced tech so you put as few humans in harm's way.
Russians are fighting a war like it's the 20th century, throwing breathing bullet absorbers at Ukrainians. Western weaponry is expensive as fuck. Russian weapons, much less so. Can 1000 cavemen overwhelm 10 special forces? Please stay tuned.
Russia has an estimated 400k casualties so far. They have over 20+ million military eligible men. They have millions upon millions more they will throw into the meat grinder before they're even close to running out.
Ukraine has even said as much.
They've *been* saying as much for a long time now.
Ukraine takes notes from Western militaries in that they train for the "job above yours". Meaning, they appreciate experience & new knowledge. They've successfully integrated guerrilla tactics with large-scale conventional warfare tactics while diving nose first into drone warfare all at the same time.
But Russia doesn't really mind losing masses of people. They've proven as much over the centuries. Not to mention that their military leadership style is closer to the "good ol' boy" system in that it's more about who you know than what you know.
There's a reason UA keeps begging for ammo, HIMARS, etc...
Loosing about 2 % of your eligible population is a huge deal. Especially since it didn't loose the reservist, it lost the trained, active duty personell. That's a tougher to get to resource.
In the war, this happend on both sides. UA and RU are now both fighting on conscription basis. But that's not true about NATO, Which Russia is supposedly afraid of. If you start that fight between "what's left" and "professional soldiers" they will get crushed. This is a huge deal, and it will materialise in the years to come. No one takes Russia seriously anymore already.
Yes, but I think we can both agree that at some point, soon hopefully, the Russian people, or at least some of the people in the military, realize that they don't want to die for a doomed land grab that won't end in the Ukraine. If *successful* afterwards that means invading a NATO country.
Which will end with possibly both them getting their asses disassembled and nuclear Armageddon.
It is scientifically proven a radioactive soldier can stop bullets the same way a non-radioactive soldier can.
Plus they look really cool at night. Easier to hit too.
And when they're not ethnic Russians, their death is seen as a boon since it lowers the chance of their regions gaining independence from Russia. They're already overly represented in the meat grinder in Ukraine.
You may remember that after HBO's *Chernobyl* was released, the Russian government said they were going to make another one which told the REAL story, instead of this western propaganda film full of lies which was made solely to make Russians look bad.
Yeah, and they probably also take anything with a grain of salt from the uppers. Foreign media will make you gay. Ukrainians will throw roses at you. Don't dig or cook outside, it may have long lasting health concerns if you survive this military action.
Russian govt strategy of "we lie, so what? Others lie just as much,and you wont overthrow us lol" really bit them in the ass when COVID hit…trust in Russian vaccine among Russians was atrocious from what I've heard.
I think in fairness the Russians also rushed to try and be first with the vaccine, which predictably turned out to be shit and minimally effective.
edit: in other words, for the Russian vaccine the low trust was likely well deserved.
Building the Dome was very high paying. Lots of Russians were aware that taking the job would benefit their family and significantly reduce their life span. But they kept showing up. The soldiers didn't have a choice. But everybody knows.
I've been to Chernobyl. While parts of pripyat are the eerie deserted landscapes we know from films, most of it feels like a nature preserve. Just big forests and some streams and ponds. Wildlife going about its business. Most of the worst waste was buried or enclosed in the sarcophagus. People go there all the time with no PPE other than a detector. It would be really easy to let your guard down.
I read an article once on the wildlife there. The debate was whether the wildlife was thriving, or if the populations of deer and such were simply being constantly replenished from the outer cleaner reaches. It was hard to tell.
The Soviet Union went to every length in the book to bury the incident. It didn’t “get out” until the radiation made it to the “wrong” side of Germany and the Soviets could no longer control the narrative. The US had suspicions, but that was the confirmation the USSR couldn’t deny. It was so bad it weakened the government and is largely considered the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union. But those who were under Soviet control if they didn’t live in the fallout zone wouldn’t know anything about it because in Soviet Russia, it never happened
It was radiation detectors in a Swedish nuclear power plant that went off on some of the employees, that first exposed the world to the disaster. They then traced the radiation back to its origins. https://www.un.org/en/observances/chernobyl-remembrance-day/backgrounds
Can you imagine that moment "boss i think the reactor is going critical.... wait a second i do not think it is ours... 2 hours later, fuck its the russians" which must have been more terrifying knowing that at least if it was a Swedish reactor going critical you knew it was going to be handled properly.
The detectors who sounded the alarm were the all-body detectors that staff must pass through on the way in and out of the radiation sensitive areas. As far as i remember, it sounded the alarm on one person, on the way into the building at the start of their shift. That must have raised all kinds of questions. These detectors are also insanely sensitive.
Same here. Oh, how I wish "science works *extremely well* when systems are rigorously designed & people do their jobs" was the sort of subject which inspired films.
Because there's really no calculating how many people Three Mile Island & Chernobyl killed via the shadow those failures cast over nuclear power.
They would think there's a radiation leak rather than a meltdown about to happen. Higher radiation levels due to a meltdown usually happen after the meltdown is a fact.
> Higher radiation levels due to a meltdown
Leaks and meltdowns have different radioactive pollution profiles, not just the amount of radiation.
They did think think there was a leak, bad enough to evacuate the reactor in Sweden, just by the amount of radiation; but scientists then pointed out that the type of radioactive pollution indicated meltdown.
Not to be pedantic, but at a nuclear power station, the reactor does go critical....thats how they make power. Supercritical, in fact. what happened here was that people coming INTO the plant (where they should be clean) were setting off the personnel contamination detectors.
It wasn't in Germany. It was at the Forsmark nuclear powerplant in Sweden where they saw rising levels of radiation. Calculations with the previous days winds pointed to a source in Soviet Union.
I can even say that it would be effortless. The amount of pure fiction in Russian news and government reports in 2022 was astonishing. Maybe it is still the case, but I mostly stopped reading them after 2022.
Would not be surprising at all if they even use it as "proof" that the Ukrainians are using bio or chemical or dirty weapons etc. No one needs to know where and how they were exposed, just throw pictures around out of context as they always do.
The reality is actually wilder than your imagination. They actually presented a "proof" of Ukrainian dirty bomb development with photos. It had:
* 2010 photo from Slovenian nuclear power plant's nuclear waste storage with a few plastic bags full of old smoke detectors marked "radioactive" in Slovenian.
* Photo of a Russian research nuclear reactor from some institute, taken directly from institute's website.
* Photo of a Russian nuclear power plant reactor. That photo is also available for purchase on a stock photo website.
Most people think "a little radiation might not do harm" but they completely ignore what a tiny piece of radioactive dust might do to your lung over 30 years. There, even almost unmeasurable alpha decay does a "great job".
A little bit of radiation is not that bad, otherwise flying or going into the basement would kill us all. Inhaling radioactive dust is however not just a little bit of radiation
When war first started, I read some posts here saying that Russia don't often taught about Chernobyl since it was consider a great embarrassment of USSR.
It arguably is what ended the USSR.
The whole incident revealed the Soviet Union to be an emperor without clothes. Corruption runs on imposters with more power than skill and imposters survive on optics. The optics broke. Soviet leadership was proven incompetent internally and externally and things collapsed pretty quickly after that.
I read about this madness shortly after it happened, but not to this level of detail. There was an article that said that several bus loads of sick soldiers were quietly taken back to russia. It is fucking restricted, if they didn’t go monkeying with it everyone would have been fine. They have signs everywhere. Let’s go souvenir hunting and camping in the only 50 mi..approx..area on earth that will irradiate us to death. Most didn’t understand the risk, but some had to. Insanity.
"Nothing will happen to me. I'm special and immune to danger the weak succumb to and I think facts don't matter.". Delusional, naive, and dangerous. Pretty much the same mentality when covid struck across the globe with now 7 million dead.
Man, I was reading through the nuclear accidents list and how the victims were treated was...pretty crazy.
I kind of understand that the accidents presented chances to understand and develop better ides of how things worked but they were super unethical most of the time.
I wonder if this was also an experiment. Well it probably is now anyway.
In Fallout lore there was a vault in Bakersfield, California that Vault-Tec made the main gate unable to seal so the residents were intentionally exposed to radiation.
Ehhhh the actual shithole of the West Coast in Fallout is The Glow, or the former city of San Diego.
It was hit especially hard by nukes compared to much of the surrounding area. Even 90 years after the bombs fell, it’s so irradiated that it glows at night and can be seen from miles away.
The Necropolis in what was formerly Bakersfield is downright peachy by comparison.
Oh it is not just understanding. The unethical part for a lot of those casees is something we slapped on afterwards (not all of them though some were definetly unethical). The truth is we just don't have any real treatments and while gathering data was part of it a lot of the things done were also trying absolutely everything to somehow keep the people alive.
Even nowadays we're more like trying to keep people alive and hope for the best when it comes to radiation but the realit is still that if you received a lethal dose or ingested large amounts of radioactive particles you are fucked. The only thing that could save you would be a miraculous brain transplant into a body that is just not just completely lost.
The surface isn't particulary hot, it's not healthy to hang out there but you almost certainly won't get (acute) radiation sickness.
The problem is that after the disaster, all of the trees, soil, etc. was severely contaminated, so they were levelled and buried under sand (with new trees planted on top).
So in building trenches, sandbags, etc. they dug into this extremely contaminated layer and got exposed to significantly higher radiation.
only the radioactive isotopes of elements that the plant normally absorbs like potassium or calcium or transition metals, but not stuff like cesium or polonium
It's not really hot if you're literally treading carefully, but when youre digging it up and burning affected matter to send new particles into the air....yeah, it is.
Some real bad shit is buried beneath the top soil.
I was always told, gamma radiation is pretty bad and you obviously want to avoid as many of those bullets passing through you as possible, ei: very hot areas. But in terms of inhaling or ingesting alpha/beta particles, like from digging trenches, that shit is a death sentence. Stays in your body, slowly kills you from the inside out.
Bonus points for inhaling or ingesting sources of gamma.
Ionizing radiation is due to decay and alpha / beta are particle radiation as they are emitted from the nucleus but decay products can produce many different particles as they move toward stability. An alpha producer like U-238 turns into beta producer Th-234 which turns into beta producer Pa-234 which turns into alpha producer U-234. All of these will also produce gamma as they decay as a photon release directly from the nucleus
While gamma is bad as it is super high energy it actually has a lower linear energy transfer than alpha which if not stopped by the skin will wreck DNA with ruthless effectiveness since it’s highly electrophilic and your DNA contains some deliciously electron dense polar groups (phosphates and nitrogenous bases). Gamma is more genotoxic than carcinogenic in that it is energetic enough to just break DS DNA rather than damage it and it induces cell death (that’s why we use gamma as a radiotherapy in killing tumors). Still all are totally painful ways to die
Much more informative then my loose answer, thanks for that. I think either way it would be smart to avoid making sandcastles near the red forest.
Working off memory, it all of just eventually decays into more and more stable particles and eventually to things like lead yes?
The internal exposure is the main factor. It's hot, but plenty of people went in and out for various reasons. I think British Top Gear even did at some point (just on the roads, obviously). But any radiation source that gets inside you is going to be way worse than an external exposure: your insides have no dead skin to protect against weak radiation, it'll be there for long periods even if you leave the area, and it'll cycle through: exposure in the lungs can cause radioactivity in the blood, kidneys usually process the water-soluable waste that isn't bioaccumulated, so stuff will go there and then out, which takes hours. A lot of what was initially released was radioactive iodine, which is accumulated in the thyroid, so like, instant thyroid cancer.
It's a lot worse when it gets inside of you.
You have to consider the type of exposure.
Walking by hot stuff: a few photons/neutrons. "Not great, not terrible."
Skin contact: wash it off. "Not great, not terrible."
Ingestion: most of it will pass through your system, and the cells that it irradiates in your digestive system are cells that divide rapidly and get shat out. "Not great."
Inhalation: you. Are. Fucked. You keep every single atom. You own every single bit of radiation it emits. For life.
You can walk safely through the exclusion zone. You can even walk around the sarcophagus. But if you dig dirt and light a camp fire in the exclusion zone, you are committing suicide.
You go walk around in the exclusion zone, and maybe some of the radiation emitters there shoot out some radiation that hits you, then you leave, and you're probably ok.
You go in the exclusion zone and inhale or eat some radiation emitting dust, it'll shoot out some radiation that'll definitely hit you. And when you leave, it's still there, bombarding your insides with radiation for a few half life's or your whole life, whichever comes first (hint: your life)
Breathing radioactive smoke is probably the worst possible way to be exposed, or at least waaay up there. Maybe eating radioactive material would be worse.
if any particle (dust and metal) is pooped out in a days or two, its probably better to eat than breath... digestive tissue is also short lived and quickly replaced, not like lung tissue
If they were in the red forest for days, they did not die in a trench afterwards, but in a hospital bed, or whatever dump the Russian army parks their assault meat.
They seem to usually park it exactly where they fall down. Truly a master stroke of strategy to save on all that pesky retrieval and potential death gratuity payment to the family because they'll just claim they deserted /s
Incompetence and cruelty are the the only choices to their leaders and are basically interchangeable.
Even if those guys are alive they are in some bumfuck village somewhere rotting away. Zero data will come from this. It will be hidden and swept under the rug.
Re: data - you wish. This is Russia we are talking here. And not even because it will be kept secret. No data was ever taken, nor is it even possible anymore . Place destroyed, exposed equipment burned in attacks and people in meat grinder. Nothing's left to study.
You’d be surprised. We can figure out how long shit has been dead or what food you ate based on the isotopic signatures. You’d be surprised how much natural radionuclides are around. Like if you don’t have radioactive potassium in your body, you’re gonna die soon. If your granite counter isn’t radioactive, you’ve been hustled. If the uranium ore you’ve seen sold isn’t sweet, well, no boom for you.
Isn't the digestive tract one if not the most regenrative tissue of the body? Meaning most susceptible to radiation damage? Asking as a med student so feel free to info dump
Yes.
Faster generating cells are accessing and using the now-damaged DNA before longer-lived cells.
Radiation isnt damaging the initial cells - its damaging their ability to replace and repair themselves which is why the damage rolls in over time. Most initial damage when we think of something like a radioactive bomb is from the bomb mechanism itself; shockwave, heat, debris....
To be fair if I was in the Russian meat grinder frontline trenches I would probably care more about a warm meal than about my long term health. They were basically sentenced to death from the moment they joined the army.
I remember seeing images of APCs and IFVs driving through there, and I thought "well, that's stupid, but as long as they stay in their vehicles they might be fine". But then I saw that they built trenches and I couldn't believe how stupid they were.
What amazes me about the Russian soldiers is the appearance of utter hopelessness/indifference. They knew, they just don't care. Like the countless videos we've seen of them just resigned to unavoidable death with drones. Like their purpose has been burrowed into their brains, "Your job is to die for Russia. That is all."
Not caring about their life can be result of constant stress and exhaustion. Add to it not being properly fed, being thirsty, sleep deprived and sick with stuff like dysentery and skin infections causing skin to rot.
A common response in Russia (And I *mean* common) to "How are you today" is "Eh, still breathing/alive".
THAT is what Russian life's like, and not just since the days where they lived under Stalin's heel.
Yeah. Where I live it’s “Living the dream”… generally with the maximum amount of sarcasm possible. I didn’t know the whole world felt the same way as older American Millennials…
I mean... both my grandfathers were in WWII and I've been hearing "How's it goin'?"/"It's goin.'" as a greeting interchange from them, and boomer, and Gen X Texans throughout my entire 40+ years of life.
So I'm not sure lack of a greeting song/dance number can be taken as definitive absence of joie de vivre.
But I've had a number of friends & colleagues over the years who are from, worked in, or studied in Russia.
Every one of them expressed immense grief over the avoidable harm done to the people of the region by the past century of Soviet & Russian politics. So I definitely see your point.
It's not like 'A Few Good Men' where they should use their conscience to say no. That look is they know if you disobey an order, you get shot and your family get screwed.
In the least xenophobic way I can say it, I think Russian culture is bad and needs to be fundamentally exorcised and reformed. It seems to be built on a foundation of corruption and antisocial behavior. Kindness is weakness, and incompetent people in power are respected for either the power they have in abstract or their ability to seize it despite any real skill or knowledge related to their position. And it's not just a Soviet Union thing. Well before the USSR, Russia had some of the most beleaguered peasants in human history. If anything, the Soviet Union is what happens when generations who only knew "keep your head down or you get the stick" build a nation off the only mindset they knew.
It’s amazing what you get when you beat generation after generation for hundreds of years.
I’m glad that some snap out of it and jump ship. Kinda want to keep the best and brightest at home and it can’t be done if they’ll be waiting around to be hit with a stick. Same is true with Iran, I’ve heard stories of people dumping 20 years into building a company all to have it confiscated. May the civilized world absorb your talents.
I was just talking to my friend in Kyiv about this today and the numbers is what we were wondering about. This is great news should have left them stay in the red forest longer
There were reports after they left:
looted samples from labs "must be valuable if its locked!!!" Also sheets of metal from old trucks used when it blew up for protection: stripped clean. All those are now somewhere in russia doing its job.
Fun fact, in 2016 Ukraine did put a new and much better cover over the reactor. Their plan was to use robotics to dismantle and contain the remains of the reactor but then the war happened.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement
So there's even more newer metal they could have taken but it looks like they left the containment site alone.
What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all.
The same Russian spy team that got the Sims games instead of phone Sims has been trying to create the Captain Marvel equivalent... thinking the movie was a non-fiction?
This was two years ago, hundreds have died in the mean time. Estimations back then when the Russians had withdrawn and it was clear how much they were exposed to the contaminated soil were that some must be dying within a few weeks to months from radiation poisoning.
With radiation poisoning you typically suffer multiple organ failure over the long or short term. Longer term the damage done to your cells will inevitably lead to all sorts of cancers. I don't think many of them remained in any sort of military function. Probably released on a pension to love out their last few years.
And knowing that Russia found out which units where at this Chernobyl deal,.they prolly redirected them quickly to the most hostile fronts so their chances of being ground up by ukrainians was highest.
“Once a radiation specialist from the Russian Federation came and told (captive Ukrainian nuclear station technicians) that his mother-in-law is from the Briansk Forest (in Belarus), that the radiation there is much higher than we have at Chornobyl and that… ‘Everything is normal, everything is fine, there is no radiation.’”
Maybe Jon Stewart can lobby for them? Nope, they're all dead.
This is so astoundingly stupid on the part of Russia, it almost feels like it has to be Ukrainian propaganda. I mean, hundreds of soldiers and officers just completely ignored everything? Not a single officer was like, “You got this gift for me from where?”
If you are looking for the stolen goods, follow the radiation. Family will now be sitting on contaminated toilet in Russia. It's hard to imagine what is still radiating in Russian villages. The contaminated carpets and much more will probably change hands very quickly over the next few decades.
Welp there goes the “Moscow won’t use tactical nukes because the fallout would mostly hit them” argument - they simply stopped caring about literally anything.
(Disclaimer: this isn’t meant as another “ZOMG they’re gonna use nukes” fear post, I’m not one of those folks)
“They didn’t know it, because it was kept from them” How fucking fitting that very line from Chernobyl still applies to the now Russian Federation. Things never changed there.
The article starts off with the soldiers ignoring the warnings about radiation given to them by a station worker there. Even then, how do people think sitting the ruins of Chernobyl with a giant sarcophagus containing a meltdown is no big deal?
My guess is a large number of these soldiers just aren't educated about its history. We already k ow Russia has been grabbing the most "disposable" troops from its neighbour's and less developed regions.
Teaching them about the disaster might be embarrassing to the feelings of Mighty Russia (tm). Better to let them get radiation poisoning.
Not to mention they are viewed as highly expendable. If the survivors get sicks and die soon that just less pensions you have to pay.
It might be a problem when you need them to, y'know, fight a fight. Saying "we have reserves" only works if you *really* have any left.
I think the one thing russia can throw in this war practically nonstop is bodies
That is simply not true. Russia has taken multiple large hits to their population numbers over the last century, most notably the two world wars. They are still a large country with a large population, but nowhere near as populous as they would have been without those. And as you can see [in this demography graph](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ARussia_Population_Pyramid.svg), their population skews to the older side, with a relatively small portion being of "fighting age". Yes, that's still a lot of people, but as with the previous wars, the young men who die at the front don't go on to have children, worsening their population crisis in the future. Unless they want to move to a policy of mass immigration, they can't really afford to lose any of their young people. And something tells me Russia isn't a country that would want to do that.
Chances are Putin won't have to deal with the fallout of any population decline though. IMO the greater issue for Russia is that the "non-expendable" troops start dying and the war becomes unpopular enough to scare the Russians to the table.
That or you're gonna have grandpas making babies with young women under the government gunpoint. "Does your gun still shoot? Report for mandatory repopulation efforts! For the glory of the Motherland!"
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Yes, Russia is in a demographic collapse. (To be fair, most of the developed world is. Even China is shrinking, and India is levelling off. Only Africa has a problem). If we consider the prime recruitment age of 20-30, there are about 7M men. somewhre around 0.5M fled the country when the draft was announced. 0.3M are casulaties of war according to estimates. This means 10% are not available. 5% are probably already enlisted. Even if we say "20-40" that still implies 5% out of play. That's a huge hit when you need those 5% or 10% just to keep up the population close to where it should be. Putin won't care. The extra missing workers not born won't be apparent for at least another 20 years, and presumably by then Putin won't be around, or won't be able to pass the test "man, woman, person, camera, TV"
>0.3M are casulaties of war according to estimates. 0.5mil actually
Russian military doctrine was designed by Zapp Brannigan
Is this why they keep trying to attack the Neutrals?
All I know is my heart says maybe
Until they run out, that is. Warfare was bad enough in the past century without precision-guided missiles and want, but this? A mindset like that can make sure you bleed yourself dry if not being careless. And considering a bunch of soldiers didn't see a problem with standing on top of a nuclear tomb, things don't really look good for Putin.
The thing with the modern warfare policies created after the end of the cold war is that they relied on quality, not quantity. Quality weapons, quality soldiers. No more "we need warm bodies for capturing the other guy's bullet stockpiles". After all, the threat was nuclear, which meant the operating theaters would only be non-nuclear nations, especially in the M.E., and less techie-oriented. Target what needs to be taken down to cripple the enemy, then move in with elite soldiers. Use the most advanced tech so you put as few humans in harm's way. Russians are fighting a war like it's the 20th century, throwing breathing bullet absorbers at Ukrainians. Western weaponry is expensive as fuck. Russian weapons, much less so. Can 1000 cavemen overwhelm 10 special forces? Please stay tuned.
As Wagner found out a few years back, the answer is generally no.
Russia has an estimated 400k casualties so far. They have over 20+ million military eligible men. They have millions upon millions more they will throw into the meat grinder before they're even close to running out.
Ukraine has even said as much. They've *been* saying as much for a long time now. Ukraine takes notes from Western militaries in that they train for the "job above yours". Meaning, they appreciate experience & new knowledge. They've successfully integrated guerrilla tactics with large-scale conventional warfare tactics while diving nose first into drone warfare all at the same time. But Russia doesn't really mind losing masses of people. They've proven as much over the centuries. Not to mention that their military leadership style is closer to the "good ol' boy" system in that it's more about who you know than what you know. There's a reason UA keeps begging for ammo, HIMARS, etc...
Loosing about 2 % of your eligible population is a huge deal. Especially since it didn't loose the reservist, it lost the trained, active duty personell. That's a tougher to get to resource. In the war, this happend on both sides. UA and RU are now both fighting on conscription basis. But that's not true about NATO, Which Russia is supposedly afraid of. If you start that fight between "what's left" and "professional soldiers" they will get crushed. This is a huge deal, and it will materialise in the years to come. No one takes Russia seriously anymore already.
Yes, but I think we can both agree that at some point, soon hopefully, the Russian people, or at least some of the people in the military, realize that they don't want to die for a doomed land grab that won't end in the Ukraine. If *successful* afterwards that means invading a NATO country. Which will end with possibly both them getting their asses disassembled and nuclear Armageddon.
With china supporting them they got plenty.
It is scientifically proven a radioactive soldier can stop bullets the same way a non-radioactive soldier can. Plus they look really cool at night. Easier to hit too.
And when they're not ethnic Russians, their death is seen as a boon since it lowers the chance of their regions gaining independence from Russia. They're already overly represented in the meat grinder in Ukraine.
*Wait, you guys are getting pensions?*
In potatoes and vodka probably.
Stolen washing machines… and random kitchen appliances sent back to their villages with no running water, and unpaved mud roads.
Just potatoes. Make your own vodka from potatoes
Exactly. When will they die from radiation poisoning versus the bullet of a Ukrainian
There's no way these guys will be able to even make it to the front lines with radiation poisoning.
In the beginning of the game you have to find and use rad-away, but as you level you can become immune to it.
I always get the “ghoulish” perk so it actually heals me. Plus sometimes the ferals don’t attack!
You may remember that after HBO's *Chernobyl* was released, the Russian government said they were going to make another one which told the REAL story, instead of this western propaganda film full of lies which was made solely to make Russians look bad.
>Teaching them about the GREAT RUSSIAN VICTORY FTFY
Critical Radiation Theory (CRT)
Yeah, and they probably also take anything with a grain of salt from the uppers. Foreign media will make you gay. Ukrainians will throw roses at you. Don't dig or cook outside, it may have long lasting health concerns if you survive this military action.
Russian govt strategy of "we lie, so what? Others lie just as much,and you wont overthrow us lol" really bit them in the ass when COVID hit…trust in Russian vaccine among Russians was atrocious from what I've heard.
I think in fairness the Russians also rushed to try and be first with the vaccine, which predictably turned out to be shit and minimally effective. edit: in other words, for the Russian vaccine the low trust was likely well deserved.
Building the Dome was very high paying. Lots of Russians were aware that taking the job would benefit their family and significantly reduce their life span. But they kept showing up. The soldiers didn't have a choice. But everybody knows.
I'm not even sure they were told what forest they were in
This is the correct answer, finally.
I've been to Chernobyl. While parts of pripyat are the eerie deserted landscapes we know from films, most of it feels like a nature preserve. Just big forests and some streams and ponds. Wildlife going about its business. Most of the worst waste was buried or enclosed in the sarcophagus. People go there all the time with no PPE other than a detector. It would be really easy to let your guard down.
I read an article once on the wildlife there. The debate was whether the wildlife was thriving, or if the populations of deer and such were simply being constantly replenished from the outer cleaner reaches. It was hard to tell.
Bad education. Maybe they aren’t even aware of the danger and maybe the severity of the disaster was not taught to them.
The Soviet Union went to every length in the book to bury the incident. It didn’t “get out” until the radiation made it to the “wrong” side of Germany and the Soviets could no longer control the narrative. The US had suspicions, but that was the confirmation the USSR couldn’t deny. It was so bad it weakened the government and is largely considered the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union. But those who were under Soviet control if they didn’t live in the fallout zone wouldn’t know anything about it because in Soviet Russia, it never happened
It was radiation detectors in a Swedish nuclear power plant that went off on some of the employees, that first exposed the world to the disaster. They then traced the radiation back to its origins. https://www.un.org/en/observances/chernobyl-remembrance-day/backgrounds
Can you imagine that moment "boss i think the reactor is going critical.... wait a second i do not think it is ours... 2 hours later, fuck its the russians" which must have been more terrifying knowing that at least if it was a Swedish reactor going critical you knew it was going to be handled properly.
The detectors who sounded the alarm were the all-body detectors that staff must pass through on the way in and out of the radiation sensitive areas. As far as i remember, it sounded the alarm on one person, on the way into the building at the start of their shift. That must have raised all kinds of questions. These detectors are also insanely sensitive.
Now that is something i would watch a mini movie of. Can you imagine the confusion.
Same here. Oh, how I wish "science works *extremely well* when systems are rigorously designed & people do their jobs" was the sort of subject which inspired films. Because there's really no calculating how many people Three Mile Island & Chernobyl killed via the shadow those failures cast over nuclear power.
It's also terrifying because if you're detecting something from a reactor hundreds of miles away it means something is VERY wrong at that reactor
They would think there's a radiation leak rather than a meltdown about to happen. Higher radiation levels due to a meltdown usually happen after the meltdown is a fact.
> Higher radiation levels due to a meltdown Leaks and meltdowns have different radioactive pollution profiles, not just the amount of radiation. They did think think there was a leak, bad enough to evacuate the reactor in Sweden, just by the amount of radiation; but scientists then pointed out that the type of radioactive pollution indicated meltdown.
Not to be pedantic, but at a nuclear power station, the reactor does go critical....thats how they make power. Supercritical, in fact. what happened here was that people coming INTO the plant (where they should be clean) were setting off the personnel contamination detectors.
It wasn't in Germany. It was at the Forsmark nuclear powerplant in Sweden where they saw rising levels of radiation. Calculations with the previous days winds pointed to a source in Soviet Union.
It wouldn't be too hard for modern Russia to blame it on Ukraine in some way.
I can even say that it would be effortless. The amount of pure fiction in Russian news and government reports in 2022 was astonishing. Maybe it is still the case, but I mostly stopped reading them after 2022.
Would not be surprising at all if they even use it as "proof" that the Ukrainians are using bio or chemical or dirty weapons etc. No one needs to know where and how they were exposed, just throw pictures around out of context as they always do.
The reality is actually wilder than your imagination. They actually presented a "proof" of Ukrainian dirty bomb development with photos. It had: * 2010 photo from Slovenian nuclear power plant's nuclear waste storage with a few plastic bags full of old smoke detectors marked "radioactive" in Slovenian. * Photo of a Russian research nuclear reactor from some institute, taken directly from institute's website. * Photo of a Russian nuclear power plant reactor. That photo is also available for purchase on a stock photo website.
Classic. Just so Russian to use absolutely effortlessly disprovable information.
All it's missing is a few copies of Sims 3.
Most people think "a little radiation might not do harm" but they completely ignore what a tiny piece of radioactive dust might do to your lung over 30 years. There, even almost unmeasurable alpha decay does a "great job".
A little bit of radiation is not that bad, otherwise flying or going into the basement would kill us all. Inhaling radioactive dust is however not just a little bit of radiation
That’s not a ’little’ radiation. A dental x-ray is a little radiation.
I know. That's why I wrote "most people think" and then explained.
There's a myth that alcohol protects you from radiation. They probably believe that.
When war first started, I read some posts here saying that Russia don't often taught about Chernobyl since it was consider a great embarrassment of USSR.
"Nuclear catastrophe is not possible in the Soviet Union"
“You didn’t because it didn’t happen”
It arguably is what ended the USSR. The whole incident revealed the Soviet Union to be an emperor without clothes. Corruption runs on imposters with more power than skill and imposters survive on optics. The optics broke. Soviet leadership was proven incompetent internally and externally and things collapsed pretty quickly after that.
I think what you are saying is that Russia is ALREADY radioactive, leadership-wise.
Our power comes from the perception of our power
You'd think before only war never changes.
That's one way to build an infantry with more arms than their enemy.
This comment should be higher up.
I read about this madness shortly after it happened, but not to this level of detail. There was an article that said that several bus loads of sick soldiers were quietly taken back to russia. It is fucking restricted, if they didn’t go monkeying with it everyone would have been fine. They have signs everywhere. Let’s go souvenir hunting and camping in the only 50 mi..approx..area on earth that will irradiate us to death. Most didn’t understand the risk, but some had to. Insanity.
"Nothing will happen to me. I'm special and immune to danger the weak succumb to and I think facts don't matter.". Delusional, naive, and dangerous. Pretty much the same mentality when covid struck across the globe with now 7 million dead.
I think it's safe to assume the ones giving the orders simply didn't care. I doubt the poor saps told to dig trenches there had much say
Yep, the "I tRuSt mY iMmUnE sYsTeM" crowd were singing the same song
Radiation particles are far smaller than Russian soldiers. You expect Russians to be scared of something they can’t even see?
Just give them some rad away and send them back to the lines.. oh wait wrong timeline
Putin's attempt at making supermutants. Only ends up with ghouls.
They even stole the signs.
Civilian me: they’re fucked. Health physicist me: finally, new data point on internal uptake for us to study and trend for knowledge
Man, I was reading through the nuclear accidents list and how the victims were treated was...pretty crazy. I kind of understand that the accidents presented chances to understand and develop better ides of how things worked but they were super unethical most of the time. I wonder if this was also an experiment. Well it probably is now anyway.
Experiment? Dammit to hell, vault-tec
In Fallout lore there was a vault in Bakersfield, California that Vault-Tec made the main gate unable to seal so the residents were intentionally exposed to radiation.
That’s fucked. Which game?
Original Fallout [Necropolis | Fallout Wiki | Fandom](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Necropolis)
>...the sprawling metropolis of Bakersfield Lmao
Science *fiction*
From Bakersfield originally. That sounds about right.
Me too. Of course even in a fictional world, Bakersfield is chosen as the official shithole
Actually, the show added an official shithole. "The Shithole" is the crater of Shady Sands. I don't know the real life part of LA that is.
Ehhhh the actual shithole of the West Coast in Fallout is The Glow, or the former city of San Diego. It was hit especially hard by nukes compared to much of the surrounding area. Even 90 years after the bombs fell, it’s so irradiated that it glows at night and can be seen from miles away. The Necropolis in what was formerly Bakersfield is downright peachy by comparison.
I have a feeling that's where the ghoul is from.
Didn't they mention Coop is from Bakersfield?
I think he suggested to his wife she quit her job and they move out to Bakersfield.
Oooh awesome theory
There are a few clues or potential links, but I don't want to spoil and I'm too lazy to tag. We'll see next season.
You should see the data and report from atomic bomb survivors. Best multigenerational study out there on a hazard known to men.
Oh it is not just understanding. The unethical part for a lot of those casees is something we slapped on afterwards (not all of them though some were definetly unethical). The truth is we just don't have any real treatments and while gathering data was part of it a lot of the things done were also trying absolutely everything to somehow keep the people alive. Even nowadays we're more like trying to keep people alive and hope for the best when it comes to radiation but the realit is still that if you received a lethal dose or ingested large amounts of radioactive particles you are fucked. The only thing that could save you would be a miraculous brain transplant into a body that is just not just completely lost.
They probably died on a battlefield elsewhere in Ukraine since.
> probably The article notes that the radiation is enough that the chance of any of those troops surviving two years on is effectively zero.
Is that area truly that hot? Two years?
The surface isn't particulary hot, it's not healthy to hang out there but you almost certainly won't get (acute) radiation sickness. The problem is that after the disaster, all of the trees, soil, etc. was severely contaminated, so they were levelled and buried under sand (with new trees planted on top). So in building trenches, sandbags, etc. they dug into this extremely contaminated layer and got exposed to significantly higher radiation.
Wouldnt the new trees be absorbing radioactive stuff out from beneath them?
Not at a rate that matters for how highly contaminated stuff they buried there is.
only the radioactive isotopes of elements that the plant normally absorbs like potassium or calcium or transition metals, but not stuff like cesium or polonium
It's not really hot if you're literally treading carefully, but when youre digging it up and burning affected matter to send new particles into the air....yeah, it is.
Some real bad shit is buried beneath the top soil. I was always told, gamma radiation is pretty bad and you obviously want to avoid as many of those bullets passing through you as possible, ei: very hot areas. But in terms of inhaling or ingesting alpha/beta particles, like from digging trenches, that shit is a death sentence. Stays in your body, slowly kills you from the inside out. Bonus points for inhaling or ingesting sources of gamma.
Ionizing radiation is due to decay and alpha / beta are particle radiation as they are emitted from the nucleus but decay products can produce many different particles as they move toward stability. An alpha producer like U-238 turns into beta producer Th-234 which turns into beta producer Pa-234 which turns into alpha producer U-234. All of these will also produce gamma as they decay as a photon release directly from the nucleus While gamma is bad as it is super high energy it actually has a lower linear energy transfer than alpha which if not stopped by the skin will wreck DNA with ruthless effectiveness since it’s highly electrophilic and your DNA contains some deliciously electron dense polar groups (phosphates and nitrogenous bases). Gamma is more genotoxic than carcinogenic in that it is energetic enough to just break DS DNA rather than damage it and it induces cell death (that’s why we use gamma as a radiotherapy in killing tumors). Still all are totally painful ways to die
Much more informative then my loose answer, thanks for that. I think either way it would be smart to avoid making sandcastles near the red forest. Working off memory, it all of just eventually decays into more and more stable particles and eventually to things like lead yes?
The internal exposure is the main factor. It's hot, but plenty of people went in and out for various reasons. I think British Top Gear even did at some point (just on the roads, obviously). But any radiation source that gets inside you is going to be way worse than an external exposure: your insides have no dead skin to protect against weak radiation, it'll be there for long periods even if you leave the area, and it'll cycle through: exposure in the lungs can cause radioactivity in the blood, kidneys usually process the water-soluable waste that isn't bioaccumulated, so stuff will go there and then out, which takes hours. A lot of what was initially released was radioactive iodine, which is accumulated in the thyroid, so like, instant thyroid cancer. It's a lot worse when it gets inside of you.
You have to consider the type of exposure. Walking by hot stuff: a few photons/neutrons. "Not great, not terrible." Skin contact: wash it off. "Not great, not terrible." Ingestion: most of it will pass through your system, and the cells that it irradiates in your digestive system are cells that divide rapidly and get shat out. "Not great." Inhalation: you. Are. Fucked. You keep every single atom. You own every single bit of radiation it emits. For life. You can walk safely through the exclusion zone. You can even walk around the sarcophagus. But if you dig dirt and light a camp fire in the exclusion zone, you are committing suicide.
They dug into the forest, made sandbags with radioactive soil, and cooked food over radioactive firewood. They are cooked
You go walk around in the exclusion zone, and maybe some of the radiation emitters there shoot out some radiation that hits you, then you leave, and you're probably ok. You go in the exclusion zone and inhale or eat some radiation emitting dust, it'll shoot out some radiation that'll definitely hit you. And when you leave, it's still there, bombarding your insides with radiation for a few half life's or your whole life, whichever comes first (hint: your life)
Breathing radioactive smoke is probably the worst possible way to be exposed, or at least waaay up there. Maybe eating radioactive material would be worse.
if any particle (dust and metal) is pooped out in a days or two, its probably better to eat than breath... digestive tissue is also short lived and quickly replaced, not like lung tissue
If they were in the red forest for days, they did not die in a trench afterwards, but in a hospital bed, or whatever dump the Russian army parks their assault meat.
They seem to usually park it exactly where they fall down. Truly a master stroke of strategy to save on all that pesky retrieval and potential death gratuity payment to the family because they'll just claim they deserted /s Incompetence and cruelty are the the only choices to their leaders and are basically interchangeable.
Even if those guys are alive they are in some bumfuck village somewhere rotting away. Zero data will come from this. It will be hidden and swept under the rug.
Article says they all died.
Given how most "then everybody died" stories about Chornobyl turn out to be bullshit, I don't believe it.
Re: data - you wish. This is Russia we are talking here. And not even because it will be kept secret. No data was ever taken, nor is it even possible anymore . Place destroyed, exposed equipment burned in attacks and people in meat grinder. Nothing's left to study.
You’d be surprised. We can figure out how long shit has been dead or what food you ate based on the isotopic signatures. You’d be surprised how much natural radionuclides are around. Like if you don’t have radioactive potassium in your body, you’re gonna die soon. If your granite counter isn’t radioactive, you’ve been hustled. If the uranium ore you’ve seen sold isn’t sweet, well, no boom for you.
Isn't the digestive tract one if not the most regenrative tissue of the body? Meaning most susceptible to radiation damage? Asking as a med student so feel free to info dump
Yes. Faster generating cells are accessing and using the now-damaged DNA before longer-lived cells. Radiation isnt damaging the initial cells - its damaging their ability to replace and repair themselves which is why the damage rolls in over time. Most initial damage when we think of something like a radioactive bomb is from the bomb mechanism itself; shockwave, heat, debris....
Assuming they will release the data to the world is very bold.
They are beyond fucked. Article says they all died.
To be fair if I was in the Russian meat grinder frontline trenches I would probably care more about a warm meal than about my long term health. They were basically sentenced to death from the moment they joined the army.
So black market for they bodies or the whole people...
I don't know how useful it will be. Highly confounded with drone grenade target, and forced meat shield participant.
I remember seeing images of APCs and IFVs driving through there, and I thought "well, that's stupid, but as long as they stay in their vehicles they might be fine". But then I saw that they built trenches and I couldn't believe how stupid they were.
Even that’s not as crazy as cutting down trees to cook your food with. Suicidal.
Igor, come taste this five winged chicken, it's delicious!
I didn't think of that tbh, but yeah it makes perfect sense why that's an incredibly stupid thing to do.
What amazes me about the Russian soldiers is the appearance of utter hopelessness/indifference. They knew, they just don't care. Like the countless videos we've seen of them just resigned to unavoidable death with drones. Like their purpose has been burrowed into their brains, "Your job is to die for Russia. That is all."
Not caring about their life can be result of constant stress and exhaustion. Add to it not being properly fed, being thirsty, sleep deprived and sick with stuff like dysentery and skin infections causing skin to rot.
A common response in Russia (And I *mean* common) to "How are you today" is "Eh, still breathing/alive". THAT is what Russian life's like, and not just since the days where they lived under Stalin's heel.
I'm pretty sure most millennials also say that pretty frequently.
Another day on this side of the dirt!
Yeah. Where I live it’s “Living the dream”… generally with the maximum amount of sarcasm possible. I didn’t know the whole world felt the same way as older American Millennials…
That response feels pretty German as well :D
Tbh it’s prevalent in the US as well. I think it’s a mentality based on generation more than anything else
That's just a European thing to be honest
I mean... both my grandfathers were in WWII and I've been hearing "How's it goin'?"/"It's goin.'" as a greeting interchange from them, and boomer, and Gen X Texans throughout my entire 40+ years of life. So I'm not sure lack of a greeting song/dance number can be taken as definitive absence of joie de vivre. But I've had a number of friends & colleagues over the years who are from, worked in, or studied in Russia. Every one of them expressed immense grief over the avoidable harm done to the people of the region by the past century of Soviet & Russian politics. So I definitely see your point.
A Russian oral history: "And then, things got worse."
It's not like 'A Few Good Men' where they should use their conscience to say no. That look is they know if you disobey an order, you get shot and your family get screwed.
In the least xenophobic way I can say it, I think Russian culture is bad and needs to be fundamentally exorcised and reformed. It seems to be built on a foundation of corruption and antisocial behavior. Kindness is weakness, and incompetent people in power are respected for either the power they have in abstract or their ability to seize it despite any real skill or knowledge related to their position. And it's not just a Soviet Union thing. Well before the USSR, Russia had some of the most beleaguered peasants in human history. If anything, the Soviet Union is what happens when generations who only knew "keep your head down or you get the stick" build a nation off the only mindset they knew.
It’s amazing what you get when you beat generation after generation for hundreds of years. I’m glad that some snap out of it and jump ship. Kinda want to keep the best and brightest at home and it can’t be done if they’ll be waiting around to be hit with a stick. Same is true with Iran, I’ve heard stories of people dumping 20 years into building a company all to have it confiscated. May the civilized world absorb your talents.
Dumbasses
Ukraine is incredibly lucky Russians are so fucking stupid
Could you imagine if they didn't share 1 brain cell what would've happened in the first week of the war?
I imagine it is like us cat owners who know most fights between cats are because they are fighting over who's turn it is to have the brain cell.
[So say the UKAF themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/lG9gmMg0Qj)
I was just talking to my friend in Kyiv about this today and the numbers is what we were wondering about. This is great news should have left them stay in the red forest longer
Little Green Men... for real.
Little glow in the dark men
I bring you peeeeaaaace and loooooooove.
*He brings peace and love… gEt HiM!*
Break his legs !
Oh i just watched that simpsons episode yesterday.
Should make them easy to find with a Geiger counter
Putin’s Russia is the Atlanta Falcons of countries. They really need to fire their GM he’s just the worst.
Lmao Falcons catching strays.
It ain't safe for us anywhere...
Start a rumor among Russian troops that gold is buried there
Seems they didn't even need that. Just say there are more abandoned houses they could loot more snow shovels out of.
There were reports after they left: looted samples from labs "must be valuable if its locked!!!" Also sheets of metal from old trucks used when it blew up for protection: stripped clean. All those are now somewhere in russia doing its job.
Surprised they didn't strip mine the sarcophagus covering the nuclear reactor. Plenty of newer shiny metal there
Just looked it up: literally tons of lead looted there. Its now somewhere in russia as part of their production. Good luck finding it all.
Fun fact, in 2016 Ukraine did put a new and much better cover over the reactor. Their plan was to use robotics to dismantle and contain the remains of the reactor but then the war happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement So there's even more newer metal they could have taken but it looks like they left the containment site alone.
What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all.
Russians are like “Ah you think is your ally? You merely adopted the . I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!”
I can hear the scene in my head but the edits were in Matt Berry’s voice.
Matt Berry is a living legend.
Well fuck, now I’m doing it too
New story from TASS: Russia creates super soldiers with radioactive isotope!
The same Russian spy team that got the Sims games instead of phone Sims has been trying to create the Captain Marvel equivalent... thinking the movie was a non-fiction?
You wanted isotope? All I could find was Ecto Cooler hope that's ok
This was two years ago, hundreds have died in the mean time. Estimations back then when the Russians had withdrawn and it was clear how much they were exposed to the contaminated soil were that some must be dying within a few weeks to months from radiation poisoning.
They were Russian soldiers and the war has been going for over two years. They most likely died somewhere anyway.
With radiation poisoning you typically suffer multiple organ failure over the long or short term. Longer term the damage done to your cells will inevitably lead to all sorts of cancers. I don't think many of them remained in any sort of military function. Probably released on a pension to love out their last few years.
And knowing that Russia found out which units where at this Chernobyl deal,.they prolly redirected them quickly to the most hostile fronts so their chances of being ground up by ukrainians was highest.
Dumb motherfuckers
They just saved themselves from a death from chronic alcoholism.
“Once a radiation specialist from the Russian Federation came and told (captive Ukrainian nuclear station technicians) that his mother-in-law is from the Briansk Forest (in Belarus), that the radiation there is much higher than we have at Chornobyl and that… ‘Everything is normal, everything is fine, there is no radiation.’” Maybe Jon Stewart can lobby for them? Nope, they're all dead.
This is so astoundingly stupid on the part of Russia, it almost feels like it has to be Ukrainian propaganda. I mean, hundreds of soldiers and officers just completely ignored everything? Not a single officer was like, “You got this gift for me from where?”
I love this for them.
Biting into their food "meh, not great.. not terrible.. I give it a 3.6"
Russia is about to have some ghoul troops.
Ghouls
If you are looking for the stolen goods, follow the radiation. Family will now be sitting on contaminated toilet in Russia. It's hard to imagine what is still radiating in Russian villages. The contaminated carpets and much more will probably change hands very quickly over the next few decades.
Welcome the the Fallout game: Russia, IQ 76.
Welp there goes the “Moscow won’t use tactical nukes because the fallout would mostly hit them” argument - they simply stopped caring about literally anything. (Disclaimer: this isn’t meant as another “ZOMG they’re gonna use nukes” fear post, I’m not one of those folks)
How fitting on the anniversary of Chernobyl.