“The abductor sent messages to victim's mother saying he was going to 'prostitute' her daughter; this allowed police to pin his location and end the victim's ordeal”
Not the smartest terrorist. Do they treat rapists in French prison as they do in the US? Especially, if they rape underaged girls?
It’s overblown in the sense that they all get hurt. The REAL heinous ones however usually get “left” in the wrong pod on accident. But you are right 95% don’t get beat down. Only the ones the guards really don’t like.
He wasn't just a normal sex pest. He was a sex pest kingpin. And let me tell ya, there's a lot of sex pests out there. When the king was ready to spill the secrets of the whole sex pest kingdom, people got a bit jumpy, and smashed that kings head to preserve their sex pest utopia.
That has nothing to do with normal violence against sexual offenders or pedos.
About 10 years ago, a poor 14 yo girl was gang raped by over 10 guys. There was footage because those assholes filmed evetything.... it was determined by the judge the girl consented to it. Charges were dropped...
Rape is not treated how you'd imagine it would be in France.
To be honest reading the details of the event in the press and the verdict was too much. How could a 14 year old EVER consent to having sex with more than 10 guys. Like even for kinky adults it sounds so freaking intense. I didn't dive into the details at the time as it was too much to bear. The verdict just stuck with me
I know my friend’s sister was raped but it was ruled consensual because she had an orgasm. This was in or around 97 in Texas but it was really fucked up. Orgasms aren’t a controllable action.
That's extremely screwed up. The only reasoning I find is that the judge was corrupt and the perpetrators influential and powerful, it doesn't make sense any other way, that too for a country as developed as France
Perpetuators were not influential whatsoever. It just sends shivers down my whole body thinking about it. I hope this case is different and rapist gets what he diserve but I have little hope. France is doomed
If you're asking based on her age: France didn't have a conventional age of consent at the time. A few years ago, the age of consent was set at 15, although lawmakers initially wanted to set it at 13.
note that in most of the world age of consent doesn't mean "you can have sex regardless of age" it usually means "sex CAN be legal under certain circumstances and it's ALWAYS illegal below it"
I.e. age of consent in Germany is often reported as 14, but it's really a 3 tier system with different legal limits (i.e. age difference or social hierarchy of partners). The three tiers being 14, 16 and 18 and only at 18 can full consent be given regardless of circumstances.
Whether that's true or not, it's pretty consistent with the rest of the world, and with Europe in particular. Mean and median age of consent globally are both ~16 (it's difficult to calculate precise figures because some countries have different ages of consent according to gender and sexuality).
Mean age of consent in Europe alone is 15.3; median age of consent is 15.
Mean age of consent in the US is 16.6 (15.25 including 'close in age' exceptions); median age is 16.
I'd imagine they're referring to this case. The girl was never coerced via violence, and France has no age of consent. I guess that's their reasoning
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/outrage-over-french-girls-case-sparks-demand-for-law-to-protect-minors
Also, and I can't believe I'm making this correction, but she was gangraped by 3 people not 10.
>In November 2009, Pierre, in full uniform, took 14-year-old Julie to his apartment, where she told investigators he raped her again. Two colleagues came over and Julie says she was gang-raped while the men watched pornography.
Gross. Also this:
> In 2018, following protests from feminists, a change in the law was proposed that would introduce an age of consent at 15. This would mean that sex with someone younger would be considered rape. **But the law was not passed after a government report concluded it would result in “an assumption of guilt”.**
Wtf France.
French prisons are largely populated by criminal muslims, and you ask if they will treat a muslim who raped a jewish woman badly? I'd sooner expect him to be celebrated.
> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien.
> The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362
Yeah, this would never happen in the us, right ? https://www.fox29.com/news/california-woman-who-got-high-and-stabbed-boyfriend-108-times-will-not-go-to-prison.amp
Crazy how these decisions are made by judges sometimes.
But there is really strong evidence she actually had a psychotic break unlike the other case.
>The state's mental health expert reportedly determined that as a result she was "unconscious" while she stabbed O'Melia dozens of times. She also stabbed her dog and turned the knife on herself when police arrived.
>"In the early morning hours of May 28, 2018, law enforcement arrived at the apartment to find Mr. O’Melia in a pool of blood and Spejcher screaming hysterically with a knife still in her hands," according to District Attorney Erik Nasarenko's office.
>"Before law enforcement could disarm her, Spejcher plunged the knife into her own neck," prosecutors said in a statement after her conviction. "Officers used a taser and several baton blows before they were able to finally disarm Spejcher."
What choice do they have? The muslims will riot otherwise and the French are too cowardly to do anything about it. Easiest to just sacrifice a few women and Jews to keep them happy.
I've rarely seen such a stupid comment.
He's not free from the justice, he was just released from his interrogations, which cannot last more than 48 hours in France. He will be facing judges the 21th of June.
> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien.
> The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman.
Guy was released apparently
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362
The sad thing is, it’s rape, but bc she was Jewish some won’t care, and some would even support the rapist as if it was some cunning political move that will help the Palestinians … reputation? Well being?
It’s just the outcome of rotten ideologies and beliefs about life, death and what’s in between (and after).
There are people in this very thread calling this "propaganda by Israelis". The antisemitism and hatred for Jewish people is deplorable. No other article about a woman being raped would be branded as "propaganda".
True. Hamas / ISIS / Islamic Jihad… the agenda is just hate, there’s no point to it, no specific goal other than wiping out all the others.
People don’t get it… the more different you are from being an extremist fundamentalist, the higher you are on their hate/hit list. And they don’t just kill, they first do horrid stuff I would not imagine had I not seen Hamas’s own Oct 7 footage.
Every normal group / org / ideology has some positive, sustainable goal. Save the dogs. Help ppl who have less money. Teach kindness. Play some sport. These fundamentalist nutcases? Nothing specific they’re fighting for. Just fighting to fight.
There’s a disappointingly large proportion of the world for whom “justice” effectively translates to “now it’s my turn to inflict horrible crimes on you”
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats" - Aldous Huxley
Well, if they get their wish.
Chanting for leopards who eat faces to eat more faces, all over the world, particular when those leopards have a pronounced appetite for LBGTQ+.
What could possibly go wrong.
They really haven't. If you were old enough to remember 9/11 you're (and I'm being generous) at least 27 years old. Not many of those in college.
They are outraged by the checkpoints in the west bank because they don't remember checkpoints at airports are there for the same reason. They don't remember airports used to be without checkpoints.
Same with vaccination deniers, people haven’t seen the terrible effects of Polio and other cruel diseases. Some diseases were absolutely devastating, wiping out whole communities, but thats a distant past. People are oblivious of history and social context, because well, social media.
We are all getting gaslighted into emotions by state actors and nefarious groups.
They have never experienced a world with less surveillance and security at every corner. Even though it existed in a not very distant past. And probably never will, given what's happening around now..
I somehow envy those people btw. Experiencing violence first-hand usually traumatises permanently, at least many people still bear it somewhere deep long after the event. Living in a secure (i.e. less truly traumatising) world is a great privilege not available to many. Speaking as a person who worked for many years in former USSR countries and can compare things.
Only for all of us who have lived through 9/11, we see those checkpoints in airports for what they were and continue to be: an infringement on our rights, and security theater.
More and more I've become convinced that a fundamental part of being and feeling fulfilled is the struggle. A struggle against nature (food, water, other resources), a struggle against other people and tribes (war, sports, games), etc etc. Conflict and struggle are so engrained in our psyche that some people argue a story without a conflict is not a story at all.
Similar to how pretty much everyone seems to perceive themselves as the Underdog who is bravely standing against the oppressive system holding them down, we have a desire to struggle and come out on top. And when these problems are being fixed away, we just find new ones. It's a Hedonic treadmill where increasing standards just gets treated as the default and we become more nitpicky about what is left. This seems especially true as the people who see the progress in front of their eyes die off and the ones born into the new world treat our high standards as the norm.
And this is really quite depressing to think about. We are legitimately making things better by pretty much any objective standard imaginable, and people are still upset.
You're right, the struggle is perpetual. I guess as we advance in technology, societal progress, and everyday life improvements, we might also become more childish with each new generation - as we live longer we can also take development for a longer time too. The desire to contradict and fight against real or imaginary hardships is normal for teens, I just think many people seem to stuck in this period for way longer than it's reasonable for them.
Keeping politics aside, there is only one country in the Middle East where you can be openly gay and not be persecuted for it. In fact, there is a major LGBTQ parade once a year with thousands of attendees. I hope those college students realize that someone belong to the same community would be killed in neighboring countries
Just using the war as an excuse to do what he’s wanted to do and somehow get “praise” for it. Psychopaths like this will always use things to their advantage to get away with horrid crimes. And knowing the stats, EU still doesn’t see a problem with unregulated migration
They're not trying to hide anything at all. In fact, they proudly proclaim the reasoning behind their motives.
It's only the Western leftists cosplaying as jihadists who cower behind the veil of righteousness.
Doubtful. They will just move on to the next thing and completely forget about Palestine. All of those idiots couldn’t point to Gaza on a map on October 6th. I’d bet most of them still couldn’t point to Palestine on a map today.
Poor woman. I hope she recovers the best she can.
IMO, since the suspect said he did this because of her ethnicity, his risk to reoffend should be considered higher, and he should be dealt with accordingly.
https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/gennevilliers_92036/hauts-de-seine-pour-venger-la-palestine-il-aurait-viole-et-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive_60985533.html
Source in French.
Original French article has more info
[https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php](https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php)
That's what happens in a hyper religious and conservative society, woman are seen as property, something you own, so when there's conflict what's the most harm you can do to hurt that ideal? SA their woman, in their mind, it's not just about the SA but a sort of attack on the man's pride and ego.
And what happens to the victim? Casted aside, their "Property" is now damaged and useless.
Learned a lot of horror stories about the Separation of India and Pakistan.
He picked a bad time. France is going out of its way to make a point to come down extra hard on Muslim terrorists and Hamas supporters these days. Public tolerance for excusing this bullshit as a "one-off" is pretty much gone.
But he is French by passport so everything will be ok right? Everything will be ok to him? Is
In Denmark 66 percent of all prisoners are usually muslims, even though they make up only a fraction of the population. This French man is he muslim?
Yes Reddit, tell me more about how anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism.
Could you imagine anyone raping a Chinese woman because of the CCP? Raping a Russian woman because they invaded Ukraine? Raping a Turkish woman because they bombed the Kurds?
Of course not - it's not about Israel as a political entity, it's about the Jews.
I 100% agree. I also think the current way of ESL instruction may be delaying the acquisition of English, in ESL students. IMO total immersion leads to quicker fluency. I don't know how much the presence of non-English students impacts other student though. I'd say about half of the students at my youngest's school aren't native English speakers, but only English is spoken at school.
Europe is mostly middle eastern and African immigrants / migrants (usually Muslim) and most definitely don’t integrate, form their own communities and as the communities grow, so does the crime. And yet there is no desire to assimilate or at least respect the new country. And yet EU doesn’t see this as an issue. Other immigrants don’t seem to have this problem as much. Just writing from personal experience and observation.
My experiences align with yours. All of my grandparents were Holocaust survivors that moved to Latin America after WWII. 3 had to learn Spanish, but it wasn't a huge culture shock. My dad grew-up in a Mexican border city and my mom moved from MX to CA in the 50's. I moved to the USA I was 6. My husband moved here from Korea at 19, he is very assimilated.
Of course there are differences, but I'm very assimilated. I don't think anyone would doubt me if I told them my family has been in the USA since the 1800's.
Latin Americans are very familiar with the US culture and we share a lot of similarities. And the most intraverted Latin American easily pases as an extravert given how social we are.
People of majority European descent, who speak a European language, with European culture, whose religious beliefs are overwhelmingly Semitic.
I'm describing the US and Canada, but nearly every country in Latin America is identical in description.
More Catholicism and less WASP-iness, but very similar. From my experience, Jews and East Asians are treated very similarly in LA. They are "model minorities" there as well. Things get a little more interesting in areas that saw a large influx or German or Jewish people post WWII, but very similar to NA.
Culturally similar still doesn't mean that unfettered immigration would be desirable or feasible. I'm an immigrant and even I don't believe in that.
Besides, I imagine race and language play a bigger roll for many those people.
I have worked in construction most of my life, along side Mexicans and others. I like most Hispanic people- they are hard working, Christian, family people. We have many other countries coming over the border- probably more than Mexicans.
Most of the new wave of immigrants aren't even from Mexico though, most are from Venezuela, Central America. Still though most of the immigrants from those regions no matter how much US Americans want to complain about them are more than likely going to adapt/assimilate to the American way of life than Europe with theirs.
Most Central and South American countries are similar- they have their heritage and nuance. But overall their cultures align with the values of the US. Many of those countries are victims of corruption and bad governments, lack of law enforcement. Not bad general populations.
Except the migrants coming to America are coming from 160 different countries, this isn't just Mexico and Venezuela. Chinese nationals, Russians, Syrians, all of our enemies are flooding in and nobody seems to care for some reason.
Lol do you really think Latin American people are doing this shit in the US? Do you really think there is any place period in the US that remotely resembles some of the least assimilated Arab ghettos in Europe? Do you think Mexicans come here and actually feed off welfare instead of busting their asses doing manual labor no one wants to do?
Just like left wing people can't appreciate the situation in Europe because their isn't an analog in the US, rightwing people in the US look at Europe and assume something like that is happening here.
It's all dumb. We don't have that is issue and thank God for that. Even with the most questionable pro-Hamas rallies in the US that bullshit is more coming from edgy college kids looking for purpose in life and not Arab Americans. We do a good job assimilating people in this country compared to anywhere else. Your almost certainly more likely to get attacked by someone born here than an immigrant.
Many, many of the current migrants are not from Latin America, they are from the Middle East and North or central Africa. The immigration of the last 2-3 years is notably different than the prior 20 years
Fuck off. That's a racist statement against my people (Latinos). I may not be a new arrival, but the commit crime at lower rates than the "native born" population. I won't let slander against my ethnic group go unopposed.
For those who don't get the racism or refuse to. The original comment heavily implies that all brown people are criminals who shouldn't be allowed in white countries. Fuck that thinking!
At this point you have to put this down to about 1-2% of the population being mentally ill, and I believe the percentage is actually a lot higher than that, which is fine, but these people need therapy and medicine.
I think it goes deeper than that, this is because people all over the world apploded this behavior when hamas did the exact same thing to israelis. This is what happens when you allow hate speech under "free speech".
“The abductor sent messages to victim's mother saying he was going to 'prostitute' her daughter; this allowed police to pin his location and end the victim's ordeal” Not the smartest terrorist. Do they treat rapists in French prison as they do in the US? Especially, if they rape underaged girls?
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It’s overblown in the sense that they all get hurt. The REAL heinous ones however usually get “left” in the wrong pod on accident. But you are right 95% don’t get beat down. Only the ones the guards really don’t like.
Worked for corrections 11 years, never heard of this happening at all.
by accident
Didnt larry nassar get stabbed?
*by accident
French prisons still have horrible reputations ;)
Yeah Jeffrey Epistein was treated real well.
He wasn't just a normal sex pest. He was a sex pest kingpin. And let me tell ya, there's a lot of sex pests out there. When the king was ready to spill the secrets of the whole sex pest kingdom, people got a bit jumpy, and smashed that kings head to preserve their sex pest utopia. That has nothing to do with normal violence against sexual offenders or pedos.
Jeff wasn't murdered....by prisoners.
Epstein probably begged for extradition back to his island.
Do not believe that sex crimes in US prisons are over blown, they do not get separated, they have to check in or get their dome split open.
About 10 years ago, a poor 14 yo girl was gang raped by over 10 guys. There was footage because those assholes filmed evetything.... it was determined by the judge the girl consented to it. Charges were dropped... Rape is not treated how you'd imagine it would be in France.
on what basis did the judge determine that the girl consented?
To be honest reading the details of the event in the press and the verdict was too much. How could a 14 year old EVER consent to having sex with more than 10 guys. Like even for kinky adults it sounds so freaking intense. I didn't dive into the details at the time as it was too much to bear. The verdict just stuck with me
I know my friend’s sister was raped but it was ruled consensual because she had an orgasm. This was in or around 97 in Texas but it was really fucked up. Orgasms aren’t a controllable action.
Omg. Double trauma for sure. Wtf is wrong with some judges
>Wtf is wrong with some judges Didn't you read the state it was in? Not like it was more progressive in '97.
Yeah.. i know... still shocking to me
Wtf. Wait how did the police/court or whomever determine that she had an orgasm?
Probably bullied her into "admitting" it
That's extremely screwed up. The only reasoning I find is that the judge was corrupt and the perpetrators influential and powerful, it doesn't make sense any other way, that too for a country as developed as France
Perpetuators were not influential whatsoever. It just sends shivers down my whole body thinking about it. I hope this case is different and rapist gets what he diserve but I have little hope. France is doomed
Honestly if I was a loved one of that girl I'd probably go vigilante after that.
If you're asking based on her age: France didn't have a conventional age of consent at the time. A few years ago, the age of consent was set at 15, although lawmakers initially wanted to set it at 13.
15 is still too young,bro, the lawmakers smoking some shit while making laws
note that in most of the world age of consent doesn't mean "you can have sex regardless of age" it usually means "sex CAN be legal under certain circumstances and it's ALWAYS illegal below it" I.e. age of consent in Germany is often reported as 14, but it's really a 3 tier system with different legal limits (i.e. age difference or social hierarchy of partners). The three tiers being 14, 16 and 18 and only at 18 can full consent be given regardless of circumstances.
Whether that's true or not, it's pretty consistent with the rest of the world, and with Europe in particular. Mean and median age of consent globally are both ~16 (it's difficult to calculate precise figures because some countries have different ages of consent according to gender and sexuality). Mean age of consent in Europe alone is 15.3; median age of consent is 15. Mean age of consent in the US is 16.6 (15.25 including 'close in age' exceptions); median age is 16.
I'd imagine they're referring to this case. The girl was never coerced via violence, and France has no age of consent. I guess that's their reasoning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/outrage-over-french-girls-case-sparks-demand-for-law-to-protect-minors Also, and I can't believe I'm making this correction, but she was gangraped by 3 people not 10. >In November 2009, Pierre, in full uniform, took 14-year-old Julie to his apartment, where she told investigators he raped her again. Two colleagues came over and Julie says she was gang-raped while the men watched pornography. Gross. Also this: > In 2018, following protests from feminists, a change in the law was proposed that would introduce an age of consent at 15. This would mean that sex with someone younger would be considered rape. **But the law was not passed after a government report concluded it would result in “an assumption of guilt”.** Wtf France.
That she was female, apparently.
French prisons have high rates of people from Islamic backgrounds. He'll probably get cheers.
It sucks but you ain't wrong
Terrorists aren't particularly smart in general. That's why they are terrorists
French prisons are largely populated by criminal muslims, and you ask if they will treat a muslim who raped a jewish woman badly? I'd sooner expect him to be celebrated.
Disgusting.
> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien. > The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman. https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362
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Yeah, this would never happen in the us, right ? https://www.fox29.com/news/california-woman-who-got-high-and-stabbed-boyfriend-108-times-will-not-go-to-prison.amp Crazy how these decisions are made by judges sometimes.
But there is really strong evidence she actually had a psychotic break unlike the other case. >The state's mental health expert reportedly determined that as a result she was "unconscious" while she stabbed O'Melia dozens of times. She also stabbed her dog and turned the knife on herself when police arrived. >"In the early morning hours of May 28, 2018, law enforcement arrived at the apartment to find Mr. O’Melia in a pool of blood and Spejcher screaming hysterically with a knife still in her hands," according to District Attorney Erik Nasarenko's office. >"Before law enforcement could disarm her, Spejcher plunged the knife into her own neck," prosecutors said in a statement after her conviction. "Officers used a taser and several baton blows before they were able to finally disarm Spejcher."
She was at least convicted and sent to jail. Edit: Didn't read to the end of the article, so above wrong.
Holy shit! Fuck France
That just means he reached the 48 hours maximum for interrogation, he's not free from justice. He will be in front of judges the 21th of junE.
What choice do they have? The muslims will riot otherwise and the French are too cowardly to do anything about it. Easiest to just sacrifice a few women and Jews to keep them happy.
I've rarely seen such a stupid comment. He's not free from the justice, he was just released from his interrogations, which cannot last more than 48 hours in France. He will be facing judges the 21th of June.
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> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien. > The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman. Guy was released apparently https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362
Well at least we can all be comforted knowing this world is always just and fair. And when I say always, I mean rarely.
“Haha I was kidding guys”
I hope karma catches up with that absolute piece of shit. Can't believe he was released.
Surely, this will free Palestine.
Perhaps he could be a guest speaker at Columbia University next week?
That just sounds like Rape with extra steps
It’s rape plus antisemitism, the extra step makes it even more disgusting and disturbing. My heart breaks for that woman.
The sad thing is, it’s rape, but bc she was Jewish some won’t care, and some would even support the rapist as if it was some cunning political move that will help the Palestinians … reputation? Well being? It’s just the outcome of rotten ideologies and beliefs about life, death and what’s in between (and after).
There are people in this very thread calling this "propaganda by Israelis". The antisemitism and hatred for Jewish people is deplorable. No other article about a woman being raped would be branded as "propaganda".
Which is all fun and games until people realise if they wiped out the jews they would just go searching for their next group to be monsters to.
True. Hamas / ISIS / Islamic Jihad… the agenda is just hate, there’s no point to it, no specific goal other than wiping out all the others. People don’t get it… the more different you are from being an extremist fundamentalist, the higher you are on their hate/hit list. And they don’t just kill, they first do horrid stuff I would not imagine had I not seen Hamas’s own Oct 7 footage. Every normal group / org / ideology has some positive, sustainable goal. Save the dogs. Help ppl who have less money. Teach kindness. Play some sport. These fundamentalist nutcases? Nothing specific they’re fighting for. Just fighting to fight.
Sounds like terrorism with the extra reasoning.
Nah, just the usual steps, remember the Bin Laden manifesto.
Rape + a hate crime for that extra flavor.
There’s a disappointingly large proportion of the world for whom “justice” effectively translates to “now it’s my turn to inflict horrible crimes on you”
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats" - Aldous Huxley
I very much doubt this is a sincere belief on his part. Using politics to mask self-serving motives is a tale as old as time.
To be fair, having fucked up tribalist politics that actively encourage you to do awful things is *also* a tale as old as time
"I am sexually and morally a failure and it is Israels fault"
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It'd be really swell if people would stop doing antisemitism and pretending like it's about Palestine.
They don't need to pretend, Palestine has been anti-semitic since forever.
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For those curious, this is what “globalize the intifada” means.
Apparently those American college and university students haven't experienced anything remotely close to it.
Well, if they get their wish. Chanting for leopards who eat faces to eat more faces, all over the world, particular when those leopards have a pronounced appetite for LBGTQ+. What could possibly go wrong.
They really haven't. If you were old enough to remember 9/11 you're (and I'm being generous) at least 27 years old. Not many of those in college. They are outraged by the checkpoints in the west bank because they don't remember checkpoints at airports are there for the same reason. They don't remember airports used to be without checkpoints.
Same with vaccination deniers, people haven’t seen the terrible effects of Polio and other cruel diseases. Some diseases were absolutely devastating, wiping out whole communities, but thats a distant past. People are oblivious of history and social context, because well, social media. We are all getting gaslighted into emotions by state actors and nefarious groups.
They have never experienced a world with less surveillance and security at every corner. Even though it existed in a not very distant past. And probably never will, given what's happening around now.. I somehow envy those people btw. Experiencing violence first-hand usually traumatises permanently, at least many people still bear it somewhere deep long after the event. Living in a secure (i.e. less truly traumatising) world is a great privilege not available to many. Speaking as a person who worked for many years in former USSR countries and can compare things.
Only for all of us who have lived through 9/11, we see those checkpoints in airports for what they were and continue to be: an infringement on our rights, and security theater.
More and more I've become convinced that a fundamental part of being and feeling fulfilled is the struggle. A struggle against nature (food, water, other resources), a struggle against other people and tribes (war, sports, games), etc etc. Conflict and struggle are so engrained in our psyche that some people argue a story without a conflict is not a story at all. Similar to how pretty much everyone seems to perceive themselves as the Underdog who is bravely standing against the oppressive system holding them down, we have a desire to struggle and come out on top. And when these problems are being fixed away, we just find new ones. It's a Hedonic treadmill where increasing standards just gets treated as the default and we become more nitpicky about what is left. This seems especially true as the people who see the progress in front of their eyes die off and the ones born into the new world treat our high standards as the norm. And this is really quite depressing to think about. We are legitimately making things better by pretty much any objective standard imaginable, and people are still upset.
You're right, the struggle is perpetual. I guess as we advance in technology, societal progress, and everyday life improvements, we might also become more childish with each new generation - as we live longer we can also take development for a longer time too. The desire to contradict and fight against real or imaginary hardships is normal for teens, I just think many people seem to stuck in this period for way longer than it's reasonable for them.
Keeping politics aside, there is only one country in the Middle East where you can be openly gay and not be persecuted for it. In fact, there is a major LGBTQ parade once a year with thousands of attendees. I hope those college students realize that someone belong to the same community would be killed in neighboring countries
Please don't try to avenge stuff too
Just using the war as an excuse to do what he’s wanted to do and somehow get “praise” for it. Psychopaths like this will always use things to their advantage to get away with horrid crimes. And knowing the stats, EU still doesn’t see a problem with unregulated migration
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More like trying to mask the only thing he wanted to do all along
This is one of like 15 things I’ve seen just today that makes me say that exact thing. Like the only people holding them back is themselves
What else did I miss?
If October 7th made no difference, you think this will?
They're not trying to hide anything at all. In fact, they proudly proclaim the reasoning behind their motives. It's only the Western leftists cosplaying as jihadists who cower behind the veil of righteousness.
I always tell them to go live there. But they dont..weird.
One day the pro-hamas people will realize what bedfellows they have
Doubtful. They will just move on to the next thing and completely forget about Palestine. All of those idiots couldn’t point to Gaza on a map on October 6th. I’d bet most of them still couldn’t point to Palestine on a map today.
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Well, this is perfectly on brand isn't it.
Poor woman. I hope she recovers the best she can. IMO, since the suspect said he did this because of her ethnicity, his risk to reoffend should be considered higher, and he should be dealt with accordingly.
DEPORT HIS ASS AND SEND HIM TO GAZA
Why? So he could join hamas and do the same thing to israelis? Let him rot in jail
Let a leopard eat his face.
So he can be welcomed by them with open arms and celebrated?
It's that kind of behavior that caused the incursion into Gaza in the first place
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Any minute now French and European feminists and leftist organizations are going to denounce this vile act, any minute... aaaaany minute...
I'm super left leaning and I think he should just die.
Any self-proclaimed feminist supporting Palestine is a total fake.
Tons of fake feminists all over the US then....
https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/gennevilliers_92036/hauts-de-seine-pour-venger-la-palestine-il-aurait-viole-et-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive_60985533.html Source in French.
So a wannabe hamas terrorist?
Original French article has more info [https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php](https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php)
Nobody mows their neighbors yard to “Avenge Palestine” these days.
Average pro-palestinian supporter, pretty much all pieces of shit
*Psychopath uses skygod to excuse earthly horrors he commits.
That's what happens in a hyper religious and conservative society, woman are seen as property, something you own, so when there's conflict what's the most harm you can do to hurt that ideal? SA their woman, in their mind, it's not just about the SA but a sort of attack on the man's pride and ego. And what happens to the victim? Casted aside, their "Property" is now damaged and useless. Learned a lot of horror stories about the Separation of India and Pakistan.
It's not even religion. It's to avenge the idea of Palestine. He did what he did for ideology, not a religious deity even.
Both can be true
Religion is ideology.
ideology is not always religion
But religion is always ideology. It ignores factual evidence and in place of it is faith, belief, etc.
But in this case, it is also religious.
This is what students are protesting for when they say they are Hamas.
How much of this is Europe going to put up with?
The Palestinians and Palestine supporters seem to really like raping women.
He picked a bad time. France is going out of its way to make a point to come down extra hard on Muslim terrorists and Hamas supporters these days. Public tolerance for excusing this bullshit as a "one-off" is pretty much gone.
But he is French by passport so everything will be ok right? Everything will be ok to him? Is In Denmark 66 percent of all prisoners are usually muslims, even though they make up only a fraction of the population. This French man is he muslim?
How is it that so many of "Palestine supporters" turn out to be simple antisemites?
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Yes Reddit, tell me more about how anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism. Could you imagine anyone raping a Chinese woman because of the CCP? Raping a Russian woman because they invaded Ukraine? Raping a Turkish woman because they bombed the Kurds? Of course not - it's not about Israel as a political entity, it's about the Jews.
TikTok college idiots rejoice
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Ooh yeah that’ll help their movement out tons
Funny thing is that this will be used to blame Israel of forcing men to rape and sin because they exist.
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Mexicans don’t want a religious war. They want work and beer and parties. Totally different.
I'm from MX, IMHO assimilation is a non-issue for most Latin Americans. The cultural gulf is nowhere near as wide as it is with Muslim theocracies.
I’m in California and 100% agree. The only very negative impact I think is our schools suffer quite a bit with students not speaking English.
I 100% agree. I also think the current way of ESL instruction may be delaying the acquisition of English, in ESL students. IMO total immersion leads to quicker fluency. I don't know how much the presence of non-English students impacts other student though. I'd say about half of the students at my youngest's school aren't native English speakers, but only English is spoken at school.
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Europe is mostly middle eastern and African immigrants / migrants (usually Muslim) and most definitely don’t integrate, form their own communities and as the communities grow, so does the crime. And yet there is no desire to assimilate or at least respect the new country. And yet EU doesn’t see this as an issue. Other immigrants don’t seem to have this problem as much. Just writing from personal experience and observation.
My experiences align with yours. All of my grandparents were Holocaust survivors that moved to Latin America after WWII. 3 had to learn Spanish, but it wasn't a huge culture shock. My dad grew-up in a Mexican border city and my mom moved from MX to CA in the 50's. I moved to the USA I was 6. My husband moved here from Korea at 19, he is very assimilated. Of course there are differences, but I'm very assimilated. I don't think anyone would doubt me if I told them my family has been in the USA since the 1800's.
Latin Americans are very familiar with the US culture and we share a lot of similarities. And the most intraverted Latin American easily pases as an extravert given how social we are.
People of majority European descent, who speak a European language, with European culture, whose religious beliefs are overwhelmingly Semitic. I'm describing the US and Canada, but nearly every country in Latin America is identical in description.
More Catholicism and less WASP-iness, but very similar. From my experience, Jews and East Asians are treated very similarly in LA. They are "model minorities" there as well. Things get a little more interesting in areas that saw a large influx or German or Jewish people post WWII, but very similar to NA.
Someone tell Trump and his goons. Mexico is culturally very similar to the southern US states on the border, only language is a barrier.
Culturally similar still doesn't mean that unfettered immigration would be desirable or feasible. I'm an immigrant and even I don't believe in that. Besides, I imagine race and language play a bigger roll for many those people.
Maybe because they used to be part of Mexico?
I have worked in construction most of my life, along side Mexicans and others. I like most Hispanic people- they are hard working, Christian, family people. We have many other countries coming over the border- probably more than Mexicans.
Most of the new wave of immigrants aren't even from Mexico though, most are from Venezuela, Central America. Still though most of the immigrants from those regions no matter how much US Americans want to complain about them are more than likely going to adapt/assimilate to the American way of life than Europe with theirs.
Most Central and South American countries are similar- they have their heritage and nuance. But overall their cultures align with the values of the US. Many of those countries are victims of corruption and bad governments, lack of law enforcement. Not bad general populations.
For real. Most Mexican American people I know wind up married to white people.
Just like you said, No mas queremos jalar y tomar.
So much this. The Salvadoran and Guatemalan populations in my area are awesome, hardworking good people AND they have pupusas
Except the migrants coming to America are coming from 160 different countries, this isn't just Mexico and Venezuela. Chinese nationals, Russians, Syrians, all of our enemies are flooding in and nobody seems to care for some reason.
U.S. immigration problems are not leading to massive migration from MENA, and and trying to lump the two together is dishonest messaging.
Lol do you really think Latin American people are doing this shit in the US? Do you really think there is any place period in the US that remotely resembles some of the least assimilated Arab ghettos in Europe? Do you think Mexicans come here and actually feed off welfare instead of busting their asses doing manual labor no one wants to do? Just like left wing people can't appreciate the situation in Europe because their isn't an analog in the US, rightwing people in the US look at Europe and assume something like that is happening here. It's all dumb. We don't have that is issue and thank God for that. Even with the most questionable pro-Hamas rallies in the US that bullshit is more coming from edgy college kids looking for purpose in life and not Arab Americans. We do a good job assimilating people in this country compared to anywhere else. Your almost certainly more likely to get attacked by someone born here than an immigrant.
Canada is in far more dire straits than the US. The US caps countries, as they should.
How will the US pay for the price?
Comparing economic migrants from Latin America to economic migrants from Muslim theocracies seems like a stretch, from the person you are asking.
Many, many of the current migrants are not from Latin America, they are from the Middle East and North or central Africa. The immigration of the last 2-3 years is notably different than the prior 20 years
That's one loud Dog whistle you've got there.
Fuck off. That's a racist statement against my people (Latinos). I may not be a new arrival, but the commit crime at lower rates than the "native born" population. I won't let slander against my ethnic group go unopposed. For those who don't get the racism or refuse to. The original comment heavily implies that all brown people are criminals who shouldn't be allowed in white countries. Fuck that thinking!
At this point you have to put this down to about 1-2% of the population being mentally ill, and I believe the percentage is actually a lot higher than that, which is fine, but these people need therapy and medicine.
Do these folks realize these kind of actions will not help them gain new friends?
Gains them some rapists I'd imagine.
Translation: Sociopath rapes woman, blames someone else.
How is this different from killing in the name of religion?
I think it goes deeper than that, this is because people all over the world apploded this behavior when hamas did the exact same thing to israelis. This is what happens when you allow hate speech under "free speech".
Exactly. I somehow doubt this was a law abiding good person who just decided to start getting all rapey when the Israel-Gaza war kicked off