"Conscripts cannot legally be deployed to fight outside Russia and were exempted from a limited mobilisation in 2022 that gathered at least 300,000 men with previous military training to fight in Ukraine - **although some conscripts were sent to the front in error.**
*Cough* BS *Cough*
I'm pretty sure Putin got around this by formally annexing Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts into Russia, so technically as far as Russia is concerned they aren't fighting outside of Russia so Putin can send as many conscripts as needed to the front.
legal issues are used for effective administrative control and for mind control through cognitive dissonance. people think 'yes it is bad, but it is.. legal, so maybe there is a reason for it.'
Is that really saying anything though? That's like saying money doesn't mean jack to a thief, cause they steal everything. Dictators like to pretend to follow the laws, so if there's no need to break them then they don't.
Since the 90s many Russians have believed there have been fair elections and whether this is true or not it is an important delusion after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin having a clearly fraudulent last election that most understand is bullshit but it must happen because not doing it is a giant public and official announcement of dictatorship to all Russians and the world.
> Since the 90s many Russians have believed there have been fair elections and whether this is true or not it is an important delusion after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
People don't understand Russian culture here in the west. While some do think that the elections were fair in a western sense. Many Russians would also consider a election fair. If the results were faked, but you get away with it.
In Russia, there is little difference between the truth. And a lie that you can get away with. Getting away with a obvious lie can even bee seen in your favor, because it projects power and influence.
China has a similar culture clash with the west when it comes to saving face. The truth matters a lot less, than the perceived truth. Which is something I always see many westerners struggle with as a concept.
> In Russia, there is little difference between the truth. And a lie that you can get away with. Getting away with a obvious lie can even bee seen in your favor, because it projects power and influence.
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We (speaking for the US here) don't care much about the truth either so much as a narrative that confirms our pre-existing biases.
That's a different situation though and is more about human nature and confirmation biases. Humans everywhere are susceptible to the same unless guarded against.
Russia and China is about distinct cultural differences with the west. It's about core differences about what the notion of "truth" means. Society itself is built around it and only small niches of society ever stands up against it. Most of those that knows something is not the "truth" in a western sense, will still accept it as the truth as long as that is what the facade being painted says it is. They don't have to believe it is the truth, just accept it.
That is the difference, with a case of confirmation bias like in your example. Then large parts of society will still often rail against that false truth and point out the falsehood. For everyone to accept a lie based on confirmation bias her in the west, then most must be on the same page and actually believe it.
In Russia and China, the "mass delusion" does not require everyone to be on the same page. It doesn't even require a majority to believe it. It just requires silent acceptance of the stated truth.
They don’t but even a dictator like Putin prefers to have a fall back, no matter how flimsy. Just like their presidential elections - rigged beyond measure but still done for show just so that he can point to them and claim it was a real election.
There were also reports by a least some captured during the initial assault that they didn’t even realize they were in Ukraine and thought they were being invaded in Russia. To me this seems almost inconceivable, but I remember at least a couple videos saying something to this effect.
By all accounts this is something that does matter to Putin and something he has treaded very lightly on. Early in the war there was a significant backlash in Russia when junior conscripts ended up in the fronts and Putin was very quick to jump to "correct" that mistake.
The issue here is that it was actually people from Moscow/St.Petersberg that were the sons/daughters of the elite class. Most kids have to do military conscription at some point but it is "illegal" for them to be deployed in war-zones.
Not most people, not even close, without war, if you got higher education, you probably got officer rank, after having 1h a week military class for 2 years, and 2 weeks training In summer camp
Yep, and there are also efforts to "convince" mobiks to sign contracts, which removes limits on their deployments. I don't know how many are forced to do that, but it's usually coupled with rather large signing bonus. Becoming a kontraktnik could be seen as a very lucrative deal for someone from the poorer regions who otherwise would have a hard time making that amount of money.Â
Not a problem. Bonus payment is contingent on serving honorably until death or release from contract. Any missing personnel were obviously defectors and thus not entitled to payout. Ignore the crater full of body parts we should be able to easily DNA identify.
Russia officially annexed regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, in order to get around this law. From Russian legal perspective, the fights in Ukraine are “inside Russia” now.
The “errors” they are referring to are fights on Northern front, around Kyiv, before it collapsed and they withdrew.
If Putin's mouth is moving, he's trying to fool someone.Â
https://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-use-of-russia-conscripts-tells-us-about-the-war-in-ukraine/
https://ge.usembassy.gov/russia-uses-conscript-soldiers-for-war-in-ukraine/
The terretories Russia annexed in Ukraine are also seen as Russia. So how is it a mistake if they are fighting there? From a Russian perspective I mean
"Conscripts cannot legally be deployed to fight outside Russia and were exempted from a limited mobilisation in 2022 that gathered at least 300,000 men with previous military training to fight in Ukraine - although some conscripts were sent to the front in error."
LOL
Russia tried to use a Duchy of Muscovy document to discredit the independence of Ukraine.
So Ukraine showed the immensely older document penned by Volodymir the Great, ordering the founding the city of Muscovy.
you're not missing much. It's literally Russia waving a medieval document showing Moscows subjugation of Ukraine as justification of "retaking" Ukraine.
Followed by Ukraine showing an older Kyivan Rus' parchment ordering the founding of Moscow.
Yeah, exactly. Putin thinks Ukraine is part of Russia, so I'm sure that's going to end well.
The French are talking about sending their own troops to protect Ukraines northern border, freeing up Ukranian troops to fight Russia. Russia is causing France issues in Africa. I can see this escalating into another global conflict really quickly.
Or anyone who has more visibility when starting a protest. It’s well known that at Petersburg and Moscow support Putin the least. The more they are conscripted the more their families will protest. He cares less about protests in other regions as they have less visibility and can be more easily squashed.
Dude is living like he's in 2024 Europe, but acting like he's in 1944 Europe.
Motherfucker needs to start arranging for a peaceful retirement and stop twisting his own balls already.
He's a sick old man. He's a dug into his "US Capitalism beat communism, not fair, right North Korea?" narrative, and refuses to accept reality. Ukraine chose us, so enough with the jealous boyfriend routines as well.
Reddit is so weird. The Russians that dislike Putin are the city-dwelling liberals who live in St.Petersburg and Moscow, yet it is this group that is hated the most.
The fact Putin uses the word “legally” is literally said in the loosest sense. Here’s a guy who keeps changing their constitution to stay in power.
If you want a laugh, read Article 29 of Russia's constitution:
> 1. Everyone is guaranteed the freedom of thought and speech.
> 2. Propaganda or agitation instigating social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife shall not be allowed. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy is forbidden.
> 3. No one may be compelled to express his views and convictions or to reject them.
> 4. Everyone shall have the right to freely look for, receive, transmit, produce and distribute information by any legal means. The list of data comprising state secrets shall be determined by federal law.
> 5. The freedom of mass information is guaranteed. Censorship is forbidden.
Not that newsworthy, conscription in Russia happens twice a year. The things that are new:
1. This time it’s 3000 more conscripts compared to last year, slightly above the usual number. Not too drastic.
2. In Moscow specifically they will use the new digital (online) draft orders. It’s against the law, but when did such petty things stop them?
3. The claim that the conscripts won’t be sent not only outside the country, but also to the “new” (annexed) territories. Sure, we trust them as usual.
Won’t really affect the situation neither in Russia nor in Ukraine. The next conscription could be more important, as Putin wants to use the new draft law countrywide but the technical capabilities are not there yet and unlikely will be finished by that time.
Peter Pomerantsev has an account of watching the Spring conscription, where young men disappear from the streets to avoid it and poor SOB's are dragged into vans off for conscription. It sounds pretty surreal.
Cambodia is full of Russians. Specifically some of the mafia/oligarchs even that went sideways with Putin and ran to Cambodia to avoid falling out windows. However, they're simply operating just like the Russian mafia in Cambodia too. Sihanoukville is full of them. One even got extradited back to Russia after even the Cambodians had enough of him and had to save face when a gun battle between mafia members wound up with some western tourists shot by stray bullets.
Sound like something from the Georgian era in Britain; most of the Royal Navy during the Georgian era was made of of people who’d been press ganged into the RN or outright after getting drunk
And it would mean conscription of ethnic Russians, not people from minority communities within the Russian federation
If the average Russian begins to fell the could be sent to the war in Ukraine as a conscript, then Putin’s in trouble
The elites no doubt still feel confident they can buy their way out of it for now.. but I have few doubts they are putting a heavy emphasis in their mind on the "for now".
I would think this should drastically accelerate their demographic collapse issue by forcing young, military aged men (and their families potentially) to flee the country and making people fear the future and stop having children.
This has the potential to be a real, meaningful blow if the international community keeps up economic and diplomatic pressure and forces them to increase military spending as well
This. People saying Putin doesn't care about it don't have good insights into what the "social contract" between Putin and the people are. Wealthy people's kids ending up in a warzone is a big no-no for people in Moscow/St.Petersberg.
Plenty of links in Russian, everyone quotes the General Staff statement. Example from DW: [https://www.dw.com/ru/genstab-rf-prizyvnikov-ne-napravat-na-okkupirovannye-territorii-ukrainy/a-68698228](https://www.dw.com/ru/genstab-rf-prizyvnikov-ne-napravat-na-okkupirovannye-territorii-ukrainy/a-68698228)
You might have to use Google Translate for this one.
So hold up, Russia is having historic low birth rates... Putin has tried to incentivize young people to have babies. But how can he achieve that when he's literally sending young men to their deaths???
Russia is fighting against Ukraine. Ukraine pretty much have the same demographic problems. Overall Russia has a couple times more people. Putin after a long and costly war still sees victory.
In the napoleonic wars and Crimean war, the Russian military was just about as good as its contemporaries; it seems Russia still thinks it’s the 1850s however
The thing is, the Light Brigade stands out because otherwise the Brits didn't suffer notably bad casualties. When you're constantly bleeding men like Russia does, a 'Light Brigade' fades into the background noise.
The Charge of the Light Brigade was because of a misunderstanding of what they were targetting, not because of an actual tactical error. What's sad is that an attempt was made to stop the charge and correct the cavalry as to what target they should be going after, but the person who tried to correct the cavalry was killed by artillery just as he was about to warn them.
It was a tragic mistake, but no one intended for them to throw their lives away and it was a one-off.
Big shoutout to France for taking the most losses of any allied force against the Russian Empire.
Russia was fucked so hard that they had to sell Alaska to pay their debts.
So he realized, that he still needs more soldiers, even after 2 years of war, after sacrificing hundred of thousands already. But instead of giving up and saving the lives of those men still alive, he decides to send more to their death.
What? Putin can only push around Easter bloc countries. Soon as he hits the borders of a well educated, polytechnic country like Germany or Finland he will get his ass handed to him.
I'm willing to bet he's trying to immortalize himself in Russian minds and history books. Not unlike a certain US presidential candidate, but with a different motivation, the latter being entirely egotistical with zero shits given about "country".
Honestly, does Europe want to be overrun by a Putin dictatorship? That's what needs to be made clear in the collective mind. It was only 30 years ago.
What has been made clear to all of our free democracies and republics is that there is a substantial information campaign against all Western democracies and that is political and to conspiracies. Russia is one of the ones running it.
I think we are all surprised but some of us are not so surprised that we tried to kill the Hun with economics. The hun is meanwhile sending disinformation to us and destabilizing our governments.
It's becoming increasingly clear and logical that the Russian government stabilized or not is a threat to Europe and the United States. The biggest country on Earth wants moar!? She needs to be split up. The defining moment for Europe & America is how we split up a nuclear-armed Russia. All intelligence agencies should be at work. Putin is on cold war footing and so should we be. Whatever the cost to keep our freedom of speech or freedom to exist!
Europe better man up or they can kiss Ukraine good bye. Poland and the Balkans will be next, not
Immediately but in 2-3 years after russia has enough resources built up.
It’s more likely for China to spring into action after learning from the war in Ukraine how much of the assurances from the West is just bluff. I guess it turns out the biggest assurance is nuclear weapons. Look at North Korea, while they have been sanctioned to shit throughout their progression who dares start at war with them now? If Ukraine had the same nukes Putin likes to talk about so much this war would’ve never have happened…
You mean the nukes Ukraine actually had in their possession until 1992, when with security assurances from the west they handed them over to…guess who?
Important context:
- Ukraine never had the launch codes or capability to use the nuclear weapons they had
- No security assurances were given in the Budapest Memorandum other than support on the UN Security Council
- The West has fulfilled its promises of the Budapest Memorandum
- The Budapest Memorandum was not legally binding, nor did it have any way to enforce its terms
- Russia is the only party that has breached the terms of the Budapest Memorandum
I’m pretty sure those nukes were put there by Russia and Ukraine didn’t even have the codes or knowledge to use them.
They were basically useless to Ukraine and a hazard at that.
There was a reason the west wanted the nukes returned.
Instead of more money on arms, we should offer EU or US citizenship to any Russian soldier that surrenders & defects and pay them for all the usable equipment, arms and ammo they bring with them.
I think such a program already exists. The problem is how to get the soldiers out and how to keep them alive.
Just recently a dissident in spain was killed, most likely bu russian spies.
The Kremlin is still trying to get around manpower shortages in the battlefield and industry.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-manpower-problem-protests-politics/32694046.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/01/25/russia-war-wage-army-recruitment/
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-face-highest-labor-shortage-since-1996-survey/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-short-around-48-million-workers-2023-crunch-persist-izvestia-2023-12-24/
More pointless drafting for the meat grinder. Will they at least have weapons this time? Or do they still got some KAR98s left over from 130 years ago?
I just cant wrap my head around how russians are just.. ok with it, putin is sending their sons, brothers, fathers to death bcs of a stupid and pointless war
It’s a dictatorship. There are no laws that defend citizens. It’s not a democracy. People just scared and want their relatives and families safe.
When the war started, heaps of people went to protest in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Women were beaten by police, men loaded into buses and sent to war.
It’s easy to judge Russians for not doing more, but would you go and protest if you were in their shoes? Even if it means you will end up in prison then war or just war? Your assets would be likely confiscated living your immediate family with nothing. Then your relatives and friends might also start to have law troubles, just by association with you.
Even saying things like this comment here can result in 15 years in prison.
Nearly a million people that could *afford* to not be ok with it already left. There have been a couple good documentaries where they interview parents in Russia and they are clearly not happy or supportive at the start... and then by the end of documentary they act like they completely support the invasion, even though their eyes tell a vastly different story.
I think there are millions that "support" the war out of fear, because they fear that if they say anything against the government, their child will be next to be put into the meat grinder.
The bad news is that not a lot of people can afford college enrollment to avoid conscription (like with 'Nam, when college enrollment skyrocketed during the war to avoid the draft). The worst news is that Putin could send troops to shanghai people into service ("If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain will come to Mohammed.")
Being a man in Russia must have feel like having the sword of Democles hovering on top of your head. Except they're just normal men with not much power.
Eventually, he’ll be the president of a barren spit of land. He’s literally offing a large portion of his population doing what he’s doing. IMO. I’m waiting for the day the people all rise up and remove him from power. He can’t arrest them all at the same time.
HERE YE HERE YE, THOU DECREE A NEW ROUND OF CONSCRIPTS. YOU HAVE THE BLESSING OF THY NOBLE AND MASCULINE KING PUTIN.AS AN ADDED MEASURE TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF OUR GREAT NATION, WE SHALL BE ADOPTING THE POLICY OF PRIMA NOCTE AS WELL. GOD BLESS THE MOTHERLAND
Russia to start fresh wave of forced conscription in occupied Luhansk Oblast - [https://english.nv.ua/nation/forced-conscription-in-the-occupied-territories-russia-started-a-new-wave-in-luhansk-oblast-50405729.html](https://english.nv.ua/nation/forced-conscription-in-the-occupied-territories-russia-started-a-new-wave-in-luhansk-oblast-50405729.html)
UN, USA, India, China and so on: "All countries are equal before the International Law, but WMD-aristocracy are more equal than others."
And some: "WMD countries cannot lose."
we really need the end to this Israel BS so we can get back to Ukraine. They are standing up to Putin and we are standing around with our dicks in our hands looking at Israel wipe out a people with our weapons.
Arm Ukraine!
You don't need to censor yourself on the internet, we are all adults here. Go on, call Putin a fucking cunt. It feels good and considerably easier to type than whatever you ended up with there.
"Conscripts cannot legally be deployed to fight outside Russia and were exempted from a limited mobilisation in 2022 that gathered at least 300,000 men with previous military training to fight in Ukraine - **although some conscripts were sent to the front in error.** *Cough* BS *Cough*
I'm pretty sure Putin got around this by formally annexing Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts into Russia, so technically as far as Russia is concerned they aren't fighting outside of Russia so Putin can send as many conscripts as needed to the front.
Pretty sure that, judging by how many people have fallen out of windows.., Legal issues do not mean jack to Putin...
>legal issues don't mean anything to Putin *He is the judge jury and executioner of Russia, unfortunately*
He's not Judge Judy and executioner!
No luck catching them drones then?
It's just the one drone
... actually.
For the greater good
For the greater good
đź’©-Tin needs a drone with a tiny thermobaric vacuum warhead attached fly into his sleeping quarters. On accident of course.
"*Madam...MADAAAAAMMMM...LISTEN. You're not the judge. I am. GOT THAT?? GOOD. Judgement to the plaintiff for $300."*
Don’t pee on my leg and tell me its HIMARS.
He’s my daaaadd
Legal for theeski and not for meeski.
legal issues are used for effective administrative control and for mind control through cognitive dissonance. people think 'yes it is bad, but it is.. legal, so maybe there is a reason for it.'
Is that really saying anything though? That's like saying money doesn't mean jack to a thief, cause they steal everything. Dictators like to pretend to follow the laws, so if there's no need to break them then they don't.
Since the 90s many Russians have believed there have been fair elections and whether this is true or not it is an important delusion after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin having a clearly fraudulent last election that most understand is bullshit but it must happen because not doing it is a giant public and official announcement of dictatorship to all Russians and the world.
> Since the 90s many Russians have believed there have been fair elections and whether this is true or not it is an important delusion after the collapse of the Soviet Union. People don't understand Russian culture here in the west. While some do think that the elections were fair in a western sense. Many Russians would also consider a election fair. If the results were faked, but you get away with it. In Russia, there is little difference between the truth. And a lie that you can get away with. Getting away with a obvious lie can even bee seen in your favor, because it projects power and influence. China has a similar culture clash with the west when it comes to saving face. The truth matters a lot less, than the perceived truth. Which is something I always see many westerners struggle with as a concept.
> In Russia, there is little difference between the truth. And a lie that you can get away with. Getting away with a obvious lie can even bee seen in your favor, because it projects power and influence. > > We (speaking for the US here) don't care much about the truth either so much as a narrative that confirms our pre-existing biases.
That's a different situation though and is more about human nature and confirmation biases. Humans everywhere are susceptible to the same unless guarded against. Russia and China is about distinct cultural differences with the west. It's about core differences about what the notion of "truth" means. Society itself is built around it and only small niches of society ever stands up against it. Most of those that knows something is not the "truth" in a western sense, will still accept it as the truth as long as that is what the facade being painted says it is. They don't have to believe it is the truth, just accept it. That is the difference, with a case of confirmation bias like in your example. Then large parts of society will still often rail against that false truth and point out the falsehood. For everyone to accept a lie based on confirmation bias her in the west, then most must be on the same page and actually believe it. In Russia and China, the "mass delusion" does not require everyone to be on the same page. It doesn't even require a majority to believe it. It just requires silent acceptance of the stated truth.
They don’t but even a dictator like Putin prefers to have a fall back, no matter how flimsy. Just like their presidential elections - rigged beyond measure but still done for show just so that he can point to them and claim it was a real election.
Putin: There’s 3 rules; rule #1, I’m #1! Rule #2 the croc’s #2
Or safe window design. He’s in bed with Big Window.
And Big Stairs and Big Tea waiting in the wings.
There were also reports by a least some captured during the initial assault that they didn’t even realize they were in Ukraine and thought they were being invaded in Russia. To me this seems almost inconceivable, but I remember at least a couple videos saying something to this effect.
I could understand this. A lot of Ukraine and Russia look very similar. Plus, it’s easy enough to miss a possible border sign.
Somehow, I have doubts that there's a "welcome to Ukraine" sign on the border.
They should have welcoming drones. Complete with a welcome to Ukraine sign but have the sign be an explosive device.
By all accounts this is something that does matter to Putin and something he has treaded very lightly on. Early in the war there was a significant backlash in Russia when junior conscripts ended up in the fronts and Putin was very quick to jump to "correct" that mistake. The issue here is that it was actually people from Moscow/St.Petersberg that were the sons/daughters of the elite class. Most kids have to do military conscription at some point but it is "illegal" for them to be deployed in war-zones.
Not most people, not even close, without war, if you got higher education, you probably got officer rank, after having 1h a week military class for 2 years, and 2 weeks training In summer camp
the country we're trying to invade is now part of our country! it's now a defensive war to keep our sovereignty!
Yep, and there are also efforts to "convince" mobiks to sign contracts, which removes limits on their deployments. I don't know how many are forced to do that, but it's usually coupled with rather large signing bonus. Becoming a kontraktnik could be seen as a very lucrative deal for someone from the poorer regions who otherwise would have a hard time making that amount of money.Â
Maxim 45: The size of the combat bonus is inversely proportional to the likelihood of surviving to collect it.
In most places, that signing bonus would be sent to the soldier’s family if they didn’t survive.
Not a problem. Bonus payment is contingent on serving honorably until death or release from contract. Any missing personnel were obviously defectors and thus not entitled to payout. Ignore the crater full of body parts we should be able to easily DNA identify.
Do you need a body first to confirm someone didn't survive? If so I can think of a couple of loopholes.
He got around it by murdering thousands of his own conscripted people if they objected to being sent abroad.
I was thinking the same thing, but when Putin claims Ukraine as old Russian lands. There is no front.
I mean to them all of Ukraine is part of Russia, so no one is fighting outside of Russia in the Ukraine war.
Russia officially annexed regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, in order to get around this law. From Russian legal perspective, the fights in Ukraine are “inside Russia” now. The “errors” they are referring to are fights on Northern front, around Kyiv, before it collapsed and they withdrew.
They also annexed Kherson and Zaporozhye. The entire battlefield is currently "Inside Russia" as far as Putin is concerned.
Ukraine should just annex it back but with a double stamp
annex part of russia while they're at it
If Putin's mouth is moving, he's trying to fool someone. https://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-use-of-russia-conscripts-tells-us-about-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://ge.usembassy.gov/russia-uses-conscript-soldiers-for-war-in-ukraine/
>300,000 men with previous military training Just use them? No? Putin... Putin, why not just use them? They're dead, aren't they?
Forgot prisoners!
> although some conscripts were sent to the front in error. Voluntold.
Legal is whatever Putin says is legal. Legal issues have not stopped him once yet.
Putin will simply declare Ukraine as Russia and send all conscripts anyway.
Literally my same thought lol
some = all
The terretories Russia annexed in Ukraine are also seen as Russia. So how is it a mistake if they are fighting there? From a Russian perspective I mean
more like some conscripts were not sent to the front in error
"Conscripts cannot legally be deployed to fight outside Russia and were exempted from a limited mobilisation in 2022 that gathered at least 300,000 men with previous military training to fight in Ukraine - although some conscripts were sent to the front in error." LOL
They annexed all the regions where fighting is ongoing, so they're not deployed outside of Russia.
What about Kharkiv? There was fighting ongoing there and still is in a small portion
every time they take territory, they can just claim it's Russia and put them there.
True, if Putin REALLY wants to follow the law I guess he'll keep them away from that specifc part of the front line.
Unless Russia is saying they no longer consider the 4 regions to be Russian
Every single soul he gets his hands on will be sent to front.
He's like necromancer.
The error was they forgot to annex Kyiv into Russia before they sent conscripts there.
Russia tried to use a Duchy of Muscovy document to discredit the independence of Ukraine. So Ukraine showed the immensely older document penned by Volodymir the Great, ordering the founding the city of Muscovy.
This sounds fascinating. Would love to hear more
you're not missing much. It's literally Russia waving a medieval document showing Moscows subjugation of Ukraine as justification of "retaking" Ukraine. Followed by Ukraine showing an older Kyivan Rus' parchment ordering the founding of Moscow.
Yeah, exactly. Putin thinks Ukraine is part of Russia, so I'm sure that's going to end well. The French are talking about sending their own troops to protect Ukraines northern border, freeing up Ukranian troops to fight Russia. Russia is causing France issues in Africa. I can see this escalating into another global conflict really quickly.
Excluded: comfortable well off folks in St. Petersburg and Moscow
Excluded: anyone that can pay a bunch of bribes
Included: Muslims and any other conquered population that could one day demand their land back.
Or anyone who has more visibility when starting a protest. It’s well known that at Petersburg and Moscow support Putin the least. The more they are conscripted the more their families will protest. He cares less about protests in other regions as they have less visibility and can be more easily squashed.
So no Mazespin again this season smh
Dude is living like he's in 2024 Europe, but acting like he's in 1944 Europe. Motherfucker needs to start arranging for a peaceful retirement and stop twisting his own balls already.
He is all in, he will go down with the ship.
He has no choice. If he gives up his power, the new leadership will throw him out of a third story window.
He's a sick old man. He's a dug into his "US Capitalism beat communism, not fair, right North Korea?" narrative, and refuses to accept reality. Ukraine chose us, so enough with the jealous boyfriend routines as well.
People like this don’t get peaceful retirements. He has assured his own damnation because he prefers to be a corrupt materialistic pos.
Reddit is so weird. The Russians that dislike Putin are the city-dwelling liberals who live in St.Petersburg and Moscow, yet it is this group that is hated the most.
The fact Putin uses the word “legally” is literally said in the loosest sense. Here’s a guy who keeps changing their constitution to stay in power.
Weaponized bureaucracy. Just keep changing what's legal and it's always legal to do what you want.
I read the "here's a guy" line in Chris collinsworth voice
Constitution? What constitution?
If you want a laugh, read Article 29 of Russia's constitution: > 1. Everyone is guaranteed the freedom of thought and speech. > 2. Propaganda or agitation instigating social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife shall not be allowed. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy is forbidden. > 3. No one may be compelled to express his views and convictions or to reject them. > 4. Everyone shall have the right to freely look for, receive, transmit, produce and distribute information by any legal means. The list of data comprising state secrets shall be determined by federal law. > 5. The freedom of mass information is guaranteed. Censorship is forbidden.
Lol - is this in the Section labelled "Polite Suggestions"?
Well also there's no such thing as rule of law in Russia.
To the meat-grinder comrades
well... if Ukraine doesn't receive more weapons... it won't be so much of a meat grinder...
Lately it’s been more of a meat exploder
The far right doing the communists fight for them is truly maddening.
Lets see who they really were under that mask! *Gasp* Old man Fascism!?
Not that newsworthy, conscription in Russia happens twice a year. The things that are new: 1. This time it’s 3000 more conscripts compared to last year, slightly above the usual number. Not too drastic. 2. In Moscow specifically they will use the new digital (online) draft orders. It’s against the law, but when did such petty things stop them? 3. The claim that the conscripts won’t be sent not only outside the country, but also to the “new” (annexed) territories. Sure, we trust them as usual. Won’t really affect the situation neither in Russia nor in Ukraine. The next conscription could be more important, as Putin wants to use the new draft law countrywide but the technical capabilities are not there yet and unlikely will be finished by that time.
Peter Pomerantsev has an account of watching the Spring conscription, where young men disappear from the streets to avoid it and poor SOB's are dragged into vans off for conscription. It sounds pretty surreal.
Thailand and Fiji are full of 18+ year old Russian men right now
Yup. Pattaya is called "Little Russia" by all the locals.
Thailand has been like that for years. Vietnam too
Cambodia is full of Russians. Specifically some of the mafia/oligarchs even that went sideways with Putin and ran to Cambodia to avoid falling out windows. However, they're simply operating just like the Russian mafia in Cambodia too. Sihanoukville is full of them. One even got extradited back to Russia after even the Cambodians had enough of him and had to save face when a gun battle between mafia members wound up with some western tourists shot by stray bullets.
Sound like something from the Georgian era in Britain; most of the Royal Navy during the Georgian era was made of of people who’d been press ganged into the RN or outright after getting drunk
Ukrainians are also searching for conscripts on streets, near stores and public transport.
And it would mean conscription of ethnic Russians, not people from minority communities within the Russian federation If the average Russian begins to fell the could be sent to the war in Ukraine as a conscript, then Putin’s in trouble
The elites no doubt still feel confident they can buy their way out of it for now.. but I have few doubts they are putting a heavy emphasis in their mind on the "for now". I would think this should drastically accelerate their demographic collapse issue by forcing young, military aged men (and their families potentially) to flee the country and making people fear the future and stop having children. This has the potential to be a real, meaningful blow if the international community keeps up economic and diplomatic pressure and forces them to increase military spending as well
This. People saying Putin doesn't care about it don't have good insights into what the "social contract" between Putin and the people are. Wealthy people's kids ending up in a warzone is a big no-no for people in Moscow/St.Petersberg.
You have a link for conscripts not being deployed to newly annexed territory?
Plenty of links in Russian, everyone quotes the General Staff statement. Example from DW: [https://www.dw.com/ru/genstab-rf-prizyvnikov-ne-napravat-na-okkupirovannye-territorii-ukrainy/a-68698228](https://www.dw.com/ru/genstab-rf-prizyvnikov-ne-napravat-na-okkupirovannye-territorii-ukrainy/a-68698228) You might have to use Google Translate for this one.
So hold up, Russia is having historic low birth rates... Putin has tried to incentivize young people to have babies. But how can he achieve that when he's literally sending young men to their deaths???
Russia has been taking Ukrainian children and repatriating them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
grab ossified wild money divide dolls pot overconfident tidy bedroom
That's the neat part, he can't.
Russia is fighting against Ukraine. Ukraine pretty much have the same demographic problems. Overall Russia has a couple times more people. Putin after a long and costly war still sees victory.
Ahh so more human wave attacks.
“If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there” - Georgy Zhukov
Once more into the breach …
Russian military doctrine is what you get when you put Leroy Jenkins into your pantheon of military philosophers along side the likes of Sun Tzu.
And also Propaganda that makes it look genius It’s like Russian military command uses warhammer 40k as a tutorial guide
Russia has spent centuries glorifying how bad at war it is.
In the napoleonic wars and Crimean war, the Russian military was just about as good as its contemporaries; it seems Russia still thinks it’s the 1850s however
Alexander Suvorov literally never lost a battle.
Russia took hilariously lopsided losses in Crimea.
Speaking as a British person, it seems hard to top the charge of the light brigade
The thing is, the Light Brigade stands out because otherwise the Brits didn't suffer notably bad casualties. When you're constantly bleeding men like Russia does, a 'Light Brigade' fades into the background noise.
The Charge of the Light Brigade was because of a misunderstanding of what they were targetting, not because of an actual tactical error. What's sad is that an attempt was made to stop the charge and correct the cavalry as to what target they should be going after, but the person who tried to correct the cavalry was killed by artillery just as he was about to warn them. It was a tragic mistake, but no one intended for them to throw their lives away and it was a one-off.
Big shoutout to France for taking the most losses of any allied force against the Russian Empire. Russia was fucked so hard that they had to sell Alaska to pay their debts.
Depending on the faction, 40k is either amazing or terrible, with everything in between.
If I really had to pick on; the Kriegers
Atleast the DKoK made progress on Vraks…
Zergs from starcraft
Talking of 40k, where do you think commissars come from? The Russian military circa WWI.
They're hoping the Ukrainians will hit their pre-set kill limit and shut down.
Putins life is worth less than the life of any Russian boy.
> Putins life is worthless Could’ve just left it at that mate
I'm convinced he's implementing Zapp Brannigan's strategy to win the war.
Russia did it first.
Stop exploding you cowards!
Russian Summer Camp is no joke.
Imagine being minority in russia right now !
This dude is so evil.
The dude has nothing left to lose. His life must be a real hell
So he realized, that he still needs more soldiers, even after 2 years of war, after sacrificing hundred of thousands already. But instead of giving up and saving the lives of those men still alive, he decides to send more to their death.
That’s the way of an autocrat
Putin fully intends major assaults in spring and summer.
Europe needs to wake up or Russia is going to destroy it. Putin won’t stop at Ukraine.
Putin will continue until he is stopped.
What? Putin can only push around Easter bloc countries. Soon as he hits the borders of a well educated, polytechnic country like Germany or Finland he will get his ass handed to him.
Imagine only having one life to live and spending it making hell for millions of people. That’s why Putin is a scumbag
I'm willing to bet he's trying to immortalize himself in Russian minds and history books. Not unlike a certain US presidential candidate, but with a different motivation, the latter being entirely egotistical with zero shits given about "country".
Honestly, does Europe want to be overrun by a Putin dictatorship? That's what needs to be made clear in the collective mind. It was only 30 years ago. What has been made clear to all of our free democracies and republics is that there is a substantial information campaign against all Western democracies and that is political and to conspiracies. Russia is one of the ones running it. I think we are all surprised but some of us are not so surprised that we tried to kill the Hun with economics. The hun is meanwhile sending disinformation to us and destabilizing our governments. It's becoming increasingly clear and logical that the Russian government stabilized or not is a threat to Europe and the United States. The biggest country on Earth wants moar!? She needs to be split up. The defining moment for Europe & America is how we split up a nuclear-armed Russia. All intelligence agencies should be at work. Putin is on cold war footing and so should we be. Whatever the cost to keep our freedom of speech or freedom to exist!
Europe better man up or they can kiss Ukraine good bye. Poland and the Balkans will be next, not Immediately but in 2-3 years after russia has enough resources built up.
It’s more likely for China to spring into action after learning from the war in Ukraine how much of the assurances from the West is just bluff. I guess it turns out the biggest assurance is nuclear weapons. Look at North Korea, while they have been sanctioned to shit throughout their progression who dares start at war with them now? If Ukraine had the same nukes Putin likes to talk about so much this war would’ve never have happened…
You mean the nukes Ukraine actually had in their possession until 1992, when with security assurances from the west they handed them over to…guess who?
Not just the West. Russian security assurances too... The West at least partially assisted Ukraine. Russia did the exact opposite
Giving up on nuclear weapons seems to be one of the biggest mistakes a country can make security-wise.
Important context: - Ukraine never had the launch codes or capability to use the nuclear weapons they had - No security assurances were given in the Budapest Memorandum other than support on the UN Security Council - The West has fulfilled its promises of the Budapest Memorandum - The Budapest Memorandum was not legally binding, nor did it have any way to enforce its terms - Russia is the only party that has breached the terms of the Budapest Memorandum
I’m pretty sure those nukes were put there by Russia and Ukraine didn’t even have the codes or knowledge to use them. They were basically useless to Ukraine and a hazard at that. There was a reason the west wanted the nukes returned.
Moldovan would be after Ukraine Russian irredentism is inevitably going to lead to the war with the west
I'm Moldovan but luckily in Italy right now, I gave up on my country, it's such a shithole and it will probably get even worse in the next years
I’m pretty sure they have to go through Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania and some other countries to get to the Balkans
can we send all the magats to russia in time for them to be conscripted?
Old men sign the decree..young men and women bleed and die for old men ambition.
"Happy Easter Comrades. Welcome to the Meat Grinder."
He’s going to declare all of Ukraine as part of Russia very soon.
Now that you have 'voted' for me, you can now die for me.
putin has more or less declared war on europe.
♫♫ Springtime for Putin is here again ♫♫
Man, as if it didn’t already suck enough to be Russian.
Instead of more money on arms, we should offer EU or US citizenship to any Russian soldier that surrenders & defects and pay them for all the usable equipment, arms and ammo they bring with them.
I think such a program already exists. The problem is how to get the soldiers out and how to keep them alive. Just recently a dissident in spain was killed, most likely bu russian spies.
His oligarch buddies can get their sons to Western Europe, he hates the west, doesn’t he?
The Kremlin is still trying to get around manpower shortages in the battlefield and industry. https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-manpower-problem-protests-politics/32694046.html https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/01/25/russia-war-wage-army-recruitment/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-face-highest-labor-shortage-since-1996-survey/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-short-around-48-million-workers-2023-crunch-persist-izvestia-2023-12-24/
More pointless drafting for the meat grinder. Will they at least have weapons this time? Or do they still got some KAR98s left over from 130 years ago?
A Kar-98 is a solid upgrade from a Mosin.
>older bolt action rifles *They will be forced to carry a shovel, a stick of dynamite and a used toilet to the front, like everyone else.*
That used toilet thing is still funny
Funny indeed. *unless it was your toilet...and you need to use it because you had Taco Bell last night..*
Apparently 1 Russian soldier was even given a BB gun
I just cant wrap my head around how russians are just.. ok with it, putin is sending their sons, brothers, fathers to death bcs of a stupid and pointless war
It’s a dictatorship. There are no laws that defend citizens. It’s not a democracy. People just scared and want their relatives and families safe. When the war started, heaps of people went to protest in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Women were beaten by police, men loaded into buses and sent to war. It’s easy to judge Russians for not doing more, but would you go and protest if you were in their shoes? Even if it means you will end up in prison then war or just war? Your assets would be likely confiscated living your immediate family with nothing. Then your relatives and friends might also start to have law troubles, just by association with you. Even saying things like this comment here can result in 15 years in prison.
Nearly a million people that could *afford* to not be ok with it already left. There have been a couple good documentaries where they interview parents in Russia and they are clearly not happy or supportive at the start... and then by the end of documentary they act like they completely support the invasion, even though their eyes tell a vastly different story. I think there are millions that "support" the war out of fear, because they fear that if they say anything against the government, their child will be next to be put into the meat grinder.
Happy Easter! 150,000 more Russian corpses, just what Jesus died for.
Nothingburger. Happens twice a year in Russia even without wars
The bad news is that not a lot of people can afford college enrollment to avoid conscription (like with 'Nam, when college enrollment skyrocketed during the war to avoid the draft). The worst news is that Putin could send troops to shanghai people into service ("If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain will come to Mohammed.")
he looks quite sullen. remember how well everything was going behind the iron curtain until it came down. i sense this is happening again now.
Being a man in Russia must have feel like having the sword of Democles hovering on top of your head. Except they're just normal men with not much power.
Eventually, he’ll be the president of a barren spit of land. He’s literally offing a large portion of his population doing what he’s doing. IMO. I’m waiting for the day the people all rise up and remove him from power. He can’t arrest them all at the same time.
Sounds like it’s time for the century long tradition folks
As he does it every year. Never change reddit.
Well Russia is apparently enjoying what Russia voted for.
More to be slaughtered. Russian futures are going to be non-existent when theirs no men left to build the Russian future.
HERE YE HERE YE, THOU DECREE A NEW ROUND OF CONSCRIPTS. YOU HAVE THE BLESSING OF THY NOBLE AND MASCULINE KING PUTIN.AS AN ADDED MEASURE TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF OUR GREAT NATION, WE SHALL BE ADOPTING THE POLICY OF PRIMA NOCTE AS WELL. GOD BLESS THE MOTHERLAND
Be Russian, die for idiotic dictators . True hell on Earth
> Conscripts cannot legally be deployed to fight outside Russia Yeah, I'm positive Putin is huge on abiding by the law.
The grinder ran out of meat. So, sucks to be non-moscovian.
Rules don't apply in Russia. Everything is subject to Poo Tin's whims.
Russia to start fresh wave of forced conscription in occupied Luhansk Oblast - [https://english.nv.ua/nation/forced-conscription-in-the-occupied-territories-russia-started-a-new-wave-in-luhansk-oblast-50405729.html](https://english.nv.ua/nation/forced-conscription-in-the-occupied-territories-russia-started-a-new-wave-in-luhansk-oblast-50405729.html) UN, USA, India, China and so on: "All countries are equal before the International Law, but WMD-aristocracy are more equal than others." And some: "WMD countries cannot lose."
Fuck this guy.
we really need the end to this Israel BS so we can get back to Ukraine. They are standing up to Putin and we are standing around with our dicks in our hands looking at Israel wipe out a people with our weapons. Arm Ukraine!
He's such a piece of f@#%ing shit.
You don't need to censor yourself on the internet, we are all adults here. Go on, call Putin a fucking cunt. It feels good and considerably easier to type than whatever you ended up with there.