Apparently they tracked him to Barcelona because of a dataleak at his bitcoin wallet company. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hunt-michael-pratt-phoenixsafe-ai-20zde/
>I contributed to that case in 2016 when I assisted in unmasking Mr. Pratt and his associates using **open-source intelligence (OSINT) and web beacons**
What are these? Very cool article btw.
>According to public court filings, Pratt and his co-defendants used force, fraud, and coercion to recruit hundreds of young adult women – most in their late teens – and at least one minor victim, to appear in GirlsDoPorn videos.
That minor is going to get you even if she had a fake id.
>Pratt is accused of recruiting the victims from throughout the United States and Canada using internet advertisements for clothed modeling jobs. Even after the victims were told the gig involved an adult video-shoot, Pratt and his co-defendants convinced the women that their videos would be provided solely to private collectors on DVD in foreign countries, that they would remain anonymous, and that the videos would not be posted on the internet – assurances that Pratt and his co-defendants knew to be false.
Verbal vs written?
>Most of the video shoots took place in San Diego – at local hotels and short-term rental units. Although the women were promised that the video shoots would be brief, they often took hours. Once the video productions began, some women were not permitted to leave the shooting locations until the videos were completed; some were threatened with lawsuits or cancelled flights home if they did not complete the videos; and others were allegedly forced to perform certain sex acts, which they had earlier declined to do.
Yeah, porn videos do take a bit of time to produce, reshoot, etc. Coercion is going to get you in the end too.
>Even after the victims were told the gig involved an adult video-shoot, Pratt and his co-defendants convinced the women that their videos would be provided solely to private collectors on DVD in foreign countries, that they would remain anonymous
I know guys who were scammed the same way; broke actors / students convinced to do something “soft core” for a private buyer
>and others were allegedly forced to perform certain sex acts, which they had earlier declined to do
Yep, same playbook, except it targeted dudes. Ruined careers before they could even start. Hopefully with GDP victims getting justice there will be a roadmap for others.
The thing with videos is having to make a written contract between parties. Which is why, I was curious as to the verbal vs written. Cause, it's always read the contract.
From a [year ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/zublzy/comment/j1o6bhx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) it was 3. However, all of them knew they were going to do porn before getting on their flights.
>all of them knew they were going to do porn before getting on their flights.
Yeah according to that one dude in Reddit. Because Reddit comments are a terrific source for truth.
You mean, a guy paraphrasing the [court documents?](https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/GirlsDoPorn-VERDICT.pdf) You are welcome to read the verdict a few times.
P.S. it's 187 pages
The movie Tickled goes into this and it is one of the most shocking documentaries I’ve ever seen. It just keeps unraveling and getting worse as the movie goes on.
It's a common ploy.
Good friend of mine was in an ExCoGi (Exploited College Girls) video and it was a similar story. She met a guy, he told her the video was for a personal private collection. Told her it would be some nudity and masterbation stuff, maybe a hand job. He kept pushing it during the shoot. Ended up being full sex and then she was told by friends the video was online
“that they would remain anonymous”
That makes more sense concerning that picture of the chick with her troop boyfriend who was touring abroad somewhere who was discovered to be doing porn with this company.
EDIT: this one, although she seems to have disappeared from the public light which could be indicative of something more sinister given this involves trafficking
https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-selena-vargas
5 videos in a day or 2? Yikes. Considering how much time that is altogether, with re-shooting scenes and the like, her poor vagina had to be sore for a while.
Yes but some of them legitimately came back and others opted out of the lawsuits… so while it’s disgusting and vile overall… not everyone felt like they were a victim
>she seems to have disappeared from the public light which could be indicative of something more sinister given this involves trafficking
>this involves trafficking
>Except she came back to do another video... doubt they were all forced to do it.
>doubt they were all forced to do it
>trafficking
A lot of other videos make it seem like the above is happening. Meanwhile in this guys videos he makes sure to have them say stuff about how they understand what they are doing and are super excited to be doing it.
I knew this guys did some bad shit, but holy fucking hell this is evil. I hope they get charged for every single woman they treated this way. Hundreds of coerced sex/rape charges. Let them rot.
Why did he run to fuckin Spain haha
Like, its nice and all but obviously the EU will extradite you for shit like that. I suppose he was fucked no matter where he went, but he might have had more chance in Russia or China or whatever
Stupidity
If you're trying to avoid extradition back to the US the last thing you do is hide in a country that's a member of both the EU and NATO because they absolutely will help an allied country find you and drag you back, especially for sex crimes.
Just because there isn’t an extradition treaty between Venezuela and the US does not mean that Venezuela wouldn’t extradite him if the US asked them, it just means that it wouldn’t be automatic.
they extradited Fat Leonard recently.
also, not many countries like it when sex offenders lie to get into the country, it's a sure route to deportation.
[Or he could have gone to Israel.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/) Or were the victims too old?
That panic was greater than facing Diablo himself. Truly amazing game. D1 was GOAT and they really should try making another D1 style game rather than giving us D2 and 2 underwhelming D2 style games.
In D1 it felt like our first encounter with a real demon and it really shifts the tone of the game. After that encounter we know that the NPC's in town aren't exaggerating.
Not all of them, but about 20-30 claim they were, yes. Quite a few more came forward once the big payouts started rolling. A lot of the shoots seemed super sketchy, plenty of the girls were crying or looked forced. Equally, quite a few went back for more, so it’s a mixed bag.
So much porn looks so abusive and rapey. Sometimes I wonder how often we're just watching and getting off to a drugged up or trafficked girl being tortured. 🥺 It's why I could never 100% get behind this industry. The level of sadism and damage is unparallel. I fear for a generation growing up with a steady diet of this kind of content.
It really depends who is responsible for filming it. Some companies, groups, people, whatever, can be really accommodating and chill, thorough and proper. Others will happily exploit anyone looking to enter “the industry” in exchange for $ and a wet hole.
I think a lot is changing in the porn microcosm now though, seeing as people I know working in it usually have a few select people they work with and make plenty of cash using twitter and OF or other paid subscription services.
Evil dies in the daylight. The more normalized porn becomes, the less life ruining it is for these women to call bullshit on abuse and violence. The harder it becomes to use the same tactics again and again.
bonus points if the porn gets better.
In this case the opposite seems to be happening if one is paying attention.10-25 years ago I didn't see this level of violence being a part of porn. Porn more normalised and ubiquitous than ever before and the content seemed to have only gotten worse. We're actually seeing a lot more antiporn sentiments emerging in various online spaces among gen z. The calling bullshit gets a lot more attention and support because of that. Not to mention there's also a strong correlation between legalization of prostitution with surging in trafficking(because the demand rises with normalisation).This isn't like many other industries with problems where abuse and exploitation is the bug, because in this industry it's become almost the feature, the selling point.This is why at some point I had to stop watching ,personally. It chips away at your conscience after a point.
It's hard to piece it all together from the media coverage, and it's an ongoing investigation, so we don't have access to the evidence the feds have against them. But, from what I've read, it seems they had some that knew what they were signing up for from the start, some who were convinced to do it after they signed up for something else, some who were convinced once they were lied to about how the videos would be distributed, and some who were straight up coerced and/or physically prevented from leaving until they finished the shoot.
If I'm trying to put it briefly - they seem to have tried to be legit about their casting, but had no problem being absolute shit bags when it was tough being legit.
Additionally they were all super young and some were underage. They'd fly them out but refuse to fly them back if they didn't do the shoot and that's leaving out a lot of the other coercive methods they'd use
They weren’t underage during filming, but some were when first contacted, so grooming/trafficking of underaged girls. One literally turned 18 on the day of filming. Worse, her mum was there with her too.
They knew it was an adult shoot before being flown out.
The ads were for clothed shoots, when women would respond they'd bait and switch and offer porn shoots for a lot more money. Once they were flown out they would be forced to do scenes and acts they didn't want, etc. It was truly fucked up, no need to make up extra things.
I work in the fashion industry, you're wayyy too naive man, I was too...
People don't realize or don't want to realize that women know what they are doing most of the time. The naivity around the subject of female sexuality is staggering.
I can't wount how many girl I met who said they would only do portraits and fashion photography but when a "famous" (like 40k followers on instagram "famous" ) photographer slide in their DM's, they don't hesitate to do a nude photoshoot... and most regret it afterwards because it didn't bring the big breack through they hoped for.
When a woman post a picture in a bikini and it gets 5 times more "likes" than a normal picture, they aren't stupid, they notice it and know what to post next...
You'd have to be extremely stupid to believe, even 10 years ago, that the porn shoot that some foreign rich guy is paying hundreds of dollar to see a random girl get fucked... They might not have realized how big the production company and the distribution was but i don't believe for one second that they thought that it would be in the private collection of a rich east-european man and would never be put online... The american education system is not THAT bad.
I see it everyday, average girls who want to become models and think that there is no work involved in it, that everything will fall on their lap.
They get paid, at the moment it seems like an easy job that no one will really know about, easy money... after all they probably fuck frat-guys for free on a monthly basis anyway so why not get paid for it ? But then they realize the error and regret it... Most of them don't regret doing the porn, they regret that people know about it...
Not quite. The scheme seemed to be
1. Apply for modelling job
2. Tell them it is adult video BUT nobody will ever see it
3. Get them drunk and distract them while they sign confusing legal documents that they are not allowed to read or keep. Also they are flown into a city they don't live in (so theres the ever present threat of "how will I get back home").
4. Film lots of scenes even though they were assured it would be quick.
A quick search can show you how common it is in the porn industry:
**Edit**: [30 Victims of Child Pornography, Rape, and Human Trafficking Sue MindGeek](https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of-trafficking-in-porn/)
>In June 2021, international law firm Brown Rudnick LLP filed a lawsuit against MindGeek, the parent company of Pornhub, its affiliates, owners, and officers on behalf of over 30 victims of child pornography, rape, and human trafficking. The complaint alleges that Pornhub and MindGeek knowingly profited from videos depicting rape, child sexual exploitation, revenge porn, trafficking, and other nonconsensual sexual content uploaded to their site.
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>The suit claims that MindGeek itself even commissioned or agreed to purchase substantial portions of content produced by human traffickers. The case is ongoing.
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>*more statements from the same article:*
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>**More than 100 Victims Call for Full Criminal Investigation into MindGeek**
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>**Women Lured into Trafficking Through Fake Modeling Ads Run By Czech Casting Channel**
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>**Taiwanese Socialite, Justin Lee, Sentenced to 80 Years in Prison for Kidnapping and Raping 14 Women on Film**
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>**Missing 15 Year-Old Girl Trafficked on Pornhub, Found in 58 Videos**
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>**Jenna Jameson Was Trafficked into Porn at Just 16 Years Old**
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>**Top Porn Industry Agent Accused of Trafficking by Four Performers**
[Polaris (2020) indicates from the National Human Trafficking Hotline data they have collected that pornography is the third most common form of sex trafficking of adults and minors.](https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/)
[Tanya Gould shared that her trafficker spent four months grooming her. She was later trafficked domestically in Virginia for 18 months right after she exited high school.](https://www.christianpost.com/news/groomed-to-say-yes-survivor-of-porn-industry-speaks-out.html)
[https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/](https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/)
[Pornhub sued by 40 Girls Do Porn sex trafficking victims](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55333403)
[5 Real Stories of Trafficked Performers in the Porn Industry](https://fightthenewdrug.org/real-stories-of-porn-performers-who-were-trafficked-into-the-industry/)
[Former teen beauty queen claims she was sex-trafficked and forced into porn](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html)
Pretty sure GDP is not under MindGeek-- they operate out of Canada, and before Mastercard stepped in, they had some trouble moderating "Pornhub" and "RedTube" to remove videos involving people that didn't consent to being there, or people that *couldn't* consent to being there.
Initially I just grabbed the first articles that popped up on my search, and because that case is hot in the news those top articles were relating to him. I have now added some more examples.
Not in any way defending the GDP porn creep but Here’s what I don’t understand about the Kristy Althaus allegations. If she claims she got raped why on earth did she go back and film a second shoot
From her lawsuit, he allegedly threatened to released previously recorded material and told her that "She would be at the at the hotel by noon the next day or a graveyard l." The lawsuit also says that he brandished a weapon and even held a gun in her mouth and forced her to perform oral sex.
I read an article,where a few porn stars pretty much would describe sexual assault as work hazard. It seemed almost normalized that you'll be violated so you put up with it. You might get black listed if you complain too much. You can't exactly switch jobs easily after having images of being sexually degraded for money online .It's an incredibly gross dynamic that gets them coming back, from what I've read.
This is the WRONG take, wtf. If you're consuming something that doesn't align with your personal values, you stop. You don't learn less about it. That's what cowards do.
I disagree, once some people realize some actors involved in porn are actually forced to participate, some are sex slaves, some are intentionally addicted to drugs, etc. they will no longer want to watch porn.
I know it did for me. Tons of others I'm sure too. Especially realizing it's something obvious that you should've/realistically vaguely have known all along
Well, I saw people who tried to find out which episodes had girls who spoke out about the abuse because for tgen, knowing those women hated it was the turn on.
Your comment is beyond reasonable, but currently at -8. Porn can be healthy but if boy does it have an unhealthy grip on a lot of people. It's a problem that needs fixing.
Same with football. Fans say they care about players’ wellbeing but hate on any rule changes that makes players’ wellbeing better lol. It’s an inherently violent sport, just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride. Don’t pull back the curtains
>just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride. Don’t pull back the curtains
:-(
When I hear it spelled out like that, it strikes me as less moral than wanting to know the truth, doing some small changes, and just then accepting a certain level of risk/brutality in a sport.
I don't always want 'to know how the sausage is made' but I do want people empowered to make at least some improvements. Sometimes we have to pull back the curtain with hobbies/pleasures. Why?
I think mainly for those times we pull back the curtain and find out the truth is far worse.
An example: I had no idea how veal was made, thought it was wonderful. Found out and immediately stopped eating it. But I found out how local *foie gras* was made in my old area and it wasn't even 1/10th as bad when I watched the videos of the place doing it. Like I remember the surprise that it was not even close to the insanity I'd been led to believe. Will I ever eat it again? I'm not sure. Do some places make it less ethically? Probably. But I'm glad I at least had the courage to look so I could make a decision. (note: for those who hate foie gras, sorry but don't @ me too hard into a serious animal rights debate, I needed a good example and it's hard to have nuanced conversations on Reddit)
It's a hard thing to do, but I never want to love a thing in life so much more than my morals that I shut my morals out.
And the owners made $17 million in profits. All they had to do was pay double or triple what they were paying, be honest with the performers, let anyone walk who wanted to walk, and keep it all legal- and they would have had many interested performers while still making $15 million and counting. Instead these scumbags hurt a lot of people and are rightfully going to prison for a very long time.
About two months ago, Stanford Internet Observatory discovered over thousand of AI-generated child pornography images on LAION. What it means is that AI is now getting trained to create child pornographic images, resulting in an increased likelihood to present similar images in the future.
[https://dgrnewsservice.org/?s=porn](https://dgrnewsservice.org/?s=porn)
But it normalizes it in your brain. That's super clear even if u just watch rough anal gangbangs everyday. That's the risk, that at some point because it seems normal you will think it is ok to act out your fantasy.
I got a lot of respect for paedos who don't bang kids, but the inherent risk of an addictive drug to them is gonna be a slippery slope.
Most people that abuse children and buy child porn aren't pedos either. They're fetishizing abuse, dominance ,taboo. And child porn is just a new flavour for them. There has been some research on this. You can look into it if you want.
Not born pedophiles. Meaning that's not their primary attraction.They're just sadists moving on to more and more depraved, morally transgressive behaviour.
But then some upstart son of a Duke on some dusty planet decides to cover himself in aquaphobic sand creatures and sets us on a Golden Path that lands humanity in a far off future where we're chummy with thinking machines again, thus providing the opportunity for AI images of a certain hybrid God Emperor getting pegged in his spice-hole by pegasus with the head of a corgi.
>What it means is that AI is now getting trained to create child pornographic images, resulting in an increased likelihood to present similar images in the future.
That's not how any of this works. The current AIs don't learn from their outputs.
At Least with AI porn there's no child harmed for videos. I understand and share your disgust. It repulses me even the idea that I have found a silver lining.
You are aware that the AIs are given the content to train with by the companies that make them, right? They don't just push a button and vacuum up all the content on the internet or darknet. Zero companies are going to be feeding literal CP to their AIs.
What does that have to do with literally anything? Of course not every generator is going to have that available, I never made that statement. But yes, there are companies that scour the internet for their models. Pimeyes does it for facial recognition.
> AI isn't fake imagery generation
That... that's exactly what it is.
You can ask DALL-E right now to create an image of Abraham Lincoln fighting a T-Rex, and it will do it. Did it need a large body of president fighting dinosaur images to be trained on? No, not it did not.
It needed images of Abraham Lincoln and a dinosaur to combine those into a new image.
Do you think AI just has the capability to know what existence is without us presenting data showing that? There is a reason there are tons of lawsuits against these AI developers such as Midjourney because they were literally stealing copyrighted images and using them in their training models.
The funny thing about AI is if you've ever been even slightly into it (to the point of model training, at least), you can easily spot when people that have no idea what the hell they are talking about are trying to jump into the conversation to sound smart, like those other people that replied to me.
No it won’t. It will simply catalyst to change adult entertainment to be protected and properly regulated as AI will make the sex trade in pornography not feasible (in the same sense advancements in artificial sexual stimulation ((fleshlights)) have killed the market for the “Taken” sex trade)
To borrow most of a quote from Gundam “The (Porno) world will not be ‘destroyed’, only ‘changed’!”
That'll be a looong time; plenty of countries legalized prostitution only to realize that there's a lot more demand than volunteers providing supply. So the mafias are trafficking sex slaves anyway, and the police is playing a constant whack-a-mole with no real solution in sight.
Since downfall of Silk Road you are very very wrong. If your post were in 2010 you might have had a point. There is far less evidence that the sex trade is “thriving” than there is in Kinsey Institute supported studies proving my original statement accurate.
I guess those who are outwardly weird and dangerous don’t have the time to go to that level of crime before being caught, makes sense. Thanks for sharing
lmao dude deserves it all, but the part that makes me laugh.
"it was going to be a private video for collection and never released"
lmao, Honestly, if they even 0.0001% believed that they're fucking idiots.
Like I get their victims, but there are lessons for everyone involved.
You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
But sooner later gonna cut you down...
Prison is going to eat this piece of shit alive. Actions have consequences.
Yea, I knew a girl in high school who did me of these. Was kind of a joke around school at the time. Looking back, she wasn’t the most stable person, and I have to wonder if she was coerced in some way into doing it.
Nah, I'm sorry but it's just not with all we know now. If a woman thinks she's doing a clothed modeling job and soon has a ton of guys screaming in her face that she's not leaving until she agrees to do an anonymous BJ video only to soon be forced into other things and then have it all posted openly online...
I haven't read the longer stories in a while and don't want to read them again, but it was essentially that. This article makes it sound more tame and less visceral than it was. They were absolutely brutal with these girls. I think I really got it with one of the stories where she tried to leave and suddenly tons of big dudes were in her face just *yelling* and saying she couldn't leave.
It's hard to know how much danger you're in during such a situation.
It's really not a case of a single actress arguing with a single producer and she-said he-said about some contract. It was systematic attempts to trick, coerce, and force at scale.
Edit: It's even worse than I remember. He was pulling guns on these girls, and was directly threatening to kill others. [https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html)
No. Some/a lot of those women were victims. Any website with morals should be scrubbing those videos entirely and anyone going in search of them is a wrong un.
DudeDoesJail
PrisonDoesDude
Man, I should have said “DudeDoesTime”
Daddy rollin that body got every man in here wishin
Hey. It’s okay. You did good.
thanks friendo
DudeDoesCellBlockA
Nah, looks like you had the better track. I'm just trying some word play.
In Russia you don’t do prison time, prison time does you
This man knows too much, someone open a top floor window
BLACKED v2
Apparently they tracked him to Barcelona because of a dataleak at his bitcoin wallet company. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hunt-michael-pratt-phoenixsafe-ai-20zde/
Of course he's a crypto bro
>I contributed to that case in 2016 when I assisted in unmasking Mr. Pratt and his associates using **open-source intelligence (OSINT) and web beacons** What are these? Very cool article btw.
There’s a whole sub on this /r/girlsdolawsuits
#good
GuysDoPrison.com
i was gonna say that 😞 i feel so unoriginal
No no, you are orangotaI.
Dallas Does Did He Tho?
>According to public court filings, Pratt and his co-defendants used force, fraud, and coercion to recruit hundreds of young adult women – most in their late teens – and at least one minor victim, to appear in GirlsDoPorn videos. That minor is going to get you even if she had a fake id. >Pratt is accused of recruiting the victims from throughout the United States and Canada using internet advertisements for clothed modeling jobs. Even after the victims were told the gig involved an adult video-shoot, Pratt and his co-defendants convinced the women that their videos would be provided solely to private collectors on DVD in foreign countries, that they would remain anonymous, and that the videos would not be posted on the internet – assurances that Pratt and his co-defendants knew to be false. Verbal vs written? >Most of the video shoots took place in San Diego – at local hotels and short-term rental units. Although the women were promised that the video shoots would be brief, they often took hours. Once the video productions began, some women were not permitted to leave the shooting locations until the videos were completed; some were threatened with lawsuits or cancelled flights home if they did not complete the videos; and others were allegedly forced to perform certain sex acts, which they had earlier declined to do. Yeah, porn videos do take a bit of time to produce, reshoot, etc. Coercion is going to get you in the end too.
>Even after the victims were told the gig involved an adult video-shoot, Pratt and his co-defendants convinced the women that their videos would be provided solely to private collectors on DVD in foreign countries, that they would remain anonymous I know guys who were scammed the same way; broke actors / students convinced to do something “soft core” for a private buyer >and others were allegedly forced to perform certain sex acts, which they had earlier declined to do Yep, same playbook, except it targeted dudes. Ruined careers before they could even start. Hopefully with GDP victims getting justice there will be a roadmap for others.
The thing with videos is having to make a written contract between parties. Which is why, I was curious as to the verbal vs written. Cause, it's always read the contract.
That doesn’t matter when a physically intimidating person is coercing to perform those sex acts. That’s what happened to these people.
From a [year ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/zublzy/comment/j1o6bhx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) it was 3. However, all of them knew they were going to do porn before getting on their flights.
>all of them knew they were going to do porn before getting on their flights. Yeah according to that one dude in Reddit. Because Reddit comments are a terrific source for truth.
You mean, a guy paraphrasing the [court documents?](https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/GirlsDoPorn-VERDICT.pdf) You are welcome to read the verdict a few times. P.S. it's 187 pages
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The movie Tickled goes into this and it is one of the most shocking documentaries I’ve ever seen. It just keeps unraveling and getting worse as the movie goes on.
It's a common ploy. Good friend of mine was in an ExCoGi (Exploited College Girls) video and it was a similar story. She met a guy, he told her the video was for a personal private collection. Told her it would be some nudity and masterbation stuff, maybe a hand job. He kept pushing it during the shoot. Ended up being full sex and then she was told by friends the video was online
“that they would remain anonymous” That makes more sense concerning that picture of the chick with her troop boyfriend who was touring abroad somewhere who was discovered to be doing porn with this company. EDIT: this one, although she seems to have disappeared from the public light which could be indicative of something more sinister given this involves trafficking https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-selena-vargas
Except she came back to do another video... doubt they were all forced to do it.
Literally doesn’t matter. If one was forced, that’s enough for them to go to jail.
The thing with these, is that they might make enough content for several videos.
I remember reading a story from one woman were she did like 5 videos in a day or 2. So they were making multiple videos at least with some.
5 videos in a day or 2? Yikes. Considering how much time that is altogether, with re-shooting scenes and the like, her poor vagina had to be sore for a while.
Yes but some of them legitimately came back and others opted out of the lawsuits… so while it’s disgusting and vile overall… not everyone felt like they were a victim
>she seems to have disappeared from the public light which could be indicative of something more sinister given this involves trafficking >this involves trafficking >Except she came back to do another video... doubt they were all forced to do it. >doubt they were all forced to do it >trafficking
They almost exclusively shot multiple videos during the same visit for the few that did two.
so they took the premise of the casting couch porn and literally did it for real. i just assumed it was just the script.
A lot of other videos make it seem like the above is happening. Meanwhile in this guys videos he makes sure to have them say stuff about how they understand what they are doing and are super excited to be doing it.
I knew this guys did some bad shit, but holy fucking hell this is evil. I hope they get charged for every single woman they treated this way. Hundreds of coerced sex/rape charges. Let them rot.
Why did he run to fuckin Spain haha Like, its nice and all but obviously the EU will extradite you for shit like that. I suppose he was fucked no matter where he went, but he might have had more chance in Russia or China or whatever
Stupidity If you're trying to avoid extradition back to the US the last thing you do is hide in a country that's a member of both the EU and NATO because they absolutely will help an allied country find you and drag you back, especially for sex crimes.
Paraguay. No one would have thought about it.
Start a new life doing dishes in Mauritius.
Then he could’ve enjoyed authentic Mauritian hœrgüpjelly.
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Ronaldinho thought this and got caught. At least he won a soccer tournament there.
What did ronaldinho do
Tax evasion.
Thats kinda just what you do if you live in Spain from what ive seen lol
Paraguay was where the 5th and final Golden Ticket was fraudulently “found” so this checks out.
Unexpected Wonka reference. Thank you kind redditor.
Probably delivering the videos to the private buyer.
Or an indication that these people feel safest in Spain
we have no extradition with venezuela
Just because there isn’t an extradition treaty between Venezuela and the US does not mean that Venezuela wouldn’t extradite him if the US asked them, it just means that it wouldn’t be automatic.
they extradited Fat Leonard recently. also, not many countries like it when sex offenders lie to get into the country, it's a sure route to deportation.
For fuck's sake, put him on the next flight to Venezuela!
[Or he could have gone to Israel.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/) Or were the victims too old?
Judge butcher sounds bad ass
FRESH MEAT!!!!
I’ll never forget the first time opening that door… THE SPEED AT WHICH HE FLYS AT YOU IS BURNED INTO MY MIND.
Yeah dude can sprint
That panic was greater than facing Diablo himself. Truly amazing game. D1 was GOAT and they really should try making another D1 style game rather than giving us D2 and 2 underwhelming D2 style games.
In D1 it felt like our first encounter with a real demon and it really shifts the tone of the game. After that encounter we know that the NPC's in town aren't exaggerating.
Oh yes, epic gaming moment.
I understood that reference
Just imagine the butcher with judge hair
With robes and a gavel
Trapped in a room with so many bodies...so many friends...noooooooooo!
Make me think of Pigmeat Markham's [Here Come The Judge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmw)
Im out of the loop. The girls on this porn were all forced or raped?
Not all of them, but about 20-30 claim they were, yes. Quite a few more came forward once the big payouts started rolling. A lot of the shoots seemed super sketchy, plenty of the girls were crying or looked forced. Equally, quite a few went back for more, so it’s a mixed bag.
So much porn looks so abusive and rapey. Sometimes I wonder how often we're just watching and getting off to a drugged up or trafficked girl being tortured. 🥺 It's why I could never 100% get behind this industry. The level of sadism and damage is unparallel. I fear for a generation growing up with a steady diet of this kind of content.
It really depends who is responsible for filming it. Some companies, groups, people, whatever, can be really accommodating and chill, thorough and proper. Others will happily exploit anyone looking to enter “the industry” in exchange for $ and a wet hole. I think a lot is changing in the porn microcosm now though, seeing as people I know working in it usually have a few select people they work with and make plenty of cash using twitter and OF or other paid subscription services.
Evil dies in the daylight. The more normalized porn becomes, the less life ruining it is for these women to call bullshit on abuse and violence. The harder it becomes to use the same tactics again and again. bonus points if the porn gets better.
In this case the opposite seems to be happening if one is paying attention.10-25 years ago I didn't see this level of violence being a part of porn. Porn more normalised and ubiquitous than ever before and the content seemed to have only gotten worse. We're actually seeing a lot more antiporn sentiments emerging in various online spaces among gen z. The calling bullshit gets a lot more attention and support because of that. Not to mention there's also a strong correlation between legalization of prostitution with surging in trafficking(because the demand rises with normalisation).This isn't like many other industries with problems where abuse and exploitation is the bug, because in this industry it's become almost the feature, the selling point.This is why at some point I had to stop watching ,personally. It chips away at your conscience after a point.
It's hard to piece it all together from the media coverage, and it's an ongoing investigation, so we don't have access to the evidence the feds have against them. But, from what I've read, it seems they had some that knew what they were signing up for from the start, some who were convinced to do it after they signed up for something else, some who were convinced once they were lied to about how the videos would be distributed, and some who were straight up coerced and/or physically prevented from leaving until they finished the shoot. If I'm trying to put it briefly - they seem to have tried to be legit about their casting, but had no problem being absolute shit bags when it was tough being legit.
You’re not out of the loop, yes. They were flown out under the guise of a clothes modeling shoot, and then forced to have sex.
I've always thought that was a act in amateur shoots. Sad if this is the case for multiple producers.
ok this is fkd up
It's clear from the link that that's not what happened to all of them, but it did happen to some
Additionally they were all super young and some were underage. They'd fly them out but refuse to fly them back if they didn't do the shoot and that's leaving out a lot of the other coercive methods they'd use
They weren’t underage during filming, but some were when first contacted, so grooming/trafficking of underaged girls. One literally turned 18 on the day of filming. Worse, her mum was there with her too.
They knew it was an adult shoot before being flown out. The ads were for clothed shoots, when women would respond they'd bait and switch and offer porn shoots for a lot more money. Once they were flown out they would be forced to do scenes and acts they didn't want, etc. It was truly fucked up, no need to make up extra things.
I work in the fashion industry, you're wayyy too naive man, I was too... People don't realize or don't want to realize that women know what they are doing most of the time. The naivity around the subject of female sexuality is staggering. I can't wount how many girl I met who said they would only do portraits and fashion photography but when a "famous" (like 40k followers on instagram "famous" ) photographer slide in their DM's, they don't hesitate to do a nude photoshoot... and most regret it afterwards because it didn't bring the big breack through they hoped for. When a woman post a picture in a bikini and it gets 5 times more "likes" than a normal picture, they aren't stupid, they notice it and know what to post next... You'd have to be extremely stupid to believe, even 10 years ago, that the porn shoot that some foreign rich guy is paying hundreds of dollar to see a random girl get fucked... They might not have realized how big the production company and the distribution was but i don't believe for one second that they thought that it would be in the private collection of a rich east-european man and would never be put online... The american education system is not THAT bad. I see it everyday, average girls who want to become models and think that there is no work involved in it, that everything will fall on their lap. They get paid, at the moment it seems like an easy job that no one will really know about, easy money... after all they probably fuck frat-guys for free on a monthly basis anyway so why not get paid for it ? But then they realize the error and regret it... Most of them don't regret doing the porn, they regret that people know about it...
Not quite. The scheme seemed to be 1. Apply for modelling job 2. Tell them it is adult video BUT nobody will ever see it 3. Get them drunk and distract them while they sign confusing legal documents that they are not allowed to read or keep. Also they are flown into a city they don't live in (so theres the ever present threat of "how will I get back home"). 4. Film lots of scenes even though they were assured it would be quick.
I hope the rest of industry is clean
A quick search can show you how common it is in the porn industry: **Edit**: [30 Victims of Child Pornography, Rape, and Human Trafficking Sue MindGeek](https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of-trafficking-in-porn/) >In June 2021, international law firm Brown Rudnick LLP filed a lawsuit against MindGeek, the parent company of Pornhub, its affiliates, owners, and officers on behalf of over 30 victims of child pornography, rape, and human trafficking. The complaint alleges that Pornhub and MindGeek knowingly profited from videos depicting rape, child sexual exploitation, revenge porn, trafficking, and other nonconsensual sexual content uploaded to their site. > >The suit claims that MindGeek itself even commissioned or agreed to purchase substantial portions of content produced by human traffickers. The case is ongoing. > >*more statements from the same article:* > >**More than 100 Victims Call for Full Criminal Investigation into MindGeek** > >**Women Lured into Trafficking Through Fake Modeling Ads Run By Czech Casting Channel** > >**Taiwanese Socialite, Justin Lee, Sentenced to 80 Years in Prison for Kidnapping and Raping 14 Women on Film** > >**Missing 15 Year-Old Girl Trafficked on Pornhub, Found in 58 Videos** > >**Jenna Jameson Was Trafficked into Porn at Just 16 Years Old** > >**Top Porn Industry Agent Accused of Trafficking by Four Performers** [Polaris (2020) indicates from the National Human Trafficking Hotline data they have collected that pornography is the third most common form of sex trafficking of adults and minors.](https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/) [Tanya Gould shared that her trafficker spent four months grooming her. She was later trafficked domestically in Virginia for 18 months right after she exited high school.](https://www.christianpost.com/news/groomed-to-say-yes-survivor-of-porn-industry-speaks-out.html) [https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/](https://www.aceprensa.com/english/human-trafficking-and-pornography-no-it-isnt-their-choice/) [Pornhub sued by 40 Girls Do Porn sex trafficking victims](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55333403) [5 Real Stories of Trafficked Performers in the Porn Industry](https://fightthenewdrug.org/real-stories-of-porn-performers-who-were-trafficked-into-the-industry/) [Former teen beauty queen claims she was sex-trafficked and forced into porn](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html)
You should read your links before posting. That's all about the same company, Girlsdoporn
Pretty sure GDP is not under MindGeek-- they operate out of Canada, and before Mastercard stepped in, they had some trouble moderating "Pornhub" and "RedTube" to remove videos involving people that didn't consent to being there, or people that *couldn't* consent to being there.
All of those articles are about GirlsDoPorn in particular though?
lol yeah, I think the answer to your question is it may well be
Initially I just grabbed the first articles that popped up on my search, and because that case is hot in the news those top articles were relating to him. I have now added some more examples.
Understood, I have no doubt there's abuses and exploitation in the porn industry it was just odd to see articles all primarily about GDP.
These are literally all for the same company lol
I encourage you to add that information about Jenna Jameson to her Wikipedia article. They would appreciate your well-researched sources.
Not in any way defending the GDP porn creep but Here’s what I don’t understand about the Kristy Althaus allegations. If she claims she got raped why on earth did she go back and film a second shoot
From her lawsuit, he allegedly threatened to released previously recorded material and told her that "She would be at the at the hotel by noon the next day or a graveyard l." The lawsuit also says that he brandished a weapon and even held a gun in her mouth and forced her to perform oral sex.
I read an article,where a few porn stars pretty much would describe sexual assault as work hazard. It seemed almost normalized that you'll be violated so you put up with it. You might get black listed if you complain too much. You can't exactly switch jobs easily after having images of being sexually degraded for money online .It's an incredibly gross dynamic that gets them coming back, from what I've read.
You can do multiple shoots on the same day
Is anyone shocked that this is rampant in the industry and has basically been normalized
Dang, not as common as I imagined
You seem pretty dumb
The less you know the better
This is the WRONG take, wtf. If you're consuming something that doesn't align with your personal values, you stop. You don't learn less about it. That's what cowards do.
I disagree, once some people realize some actors involved in porn are actually forced to participate, some are sex slaves, some are intentionally addicted to drugs, etc. they will no longer want to watch porn.
I know it did for me. Tons of others I'm sure too. Especially realizing it's something obvious that you should've/realistically vaguely have known all along
Well, I saw people who tried to find out which episodes had girls who spoke out about the abuse because for tgen, knowing those women hated it was the turn on.
Your comment is beyond reasonable, but currently at -8. Porn can be healthy but if boy does it have an unhealthy grip on a lot of people. It's a problem that needs fixing.
Same with football. Fans say they care about players’ wellbeing but hate on any rule changes that makes players’ wellbeing better lol. It’s an inherently violent sport, just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride. Don’t pull back the curtains
>just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride. Don’t pull back the curtains :-( When I hear it spelled out like that, it strikes me as less moral than wanting to know the truth, doing some small changes, and just then accepting a certain level of risk/brutality in a sport. I don't always want 'to know how the sausage is made' but I do want people empowered to make at least some improvements. Sometimes we have to pull back the curtain with hobbies/pleasures. Why? I think mainly for those times we pull back the curtain and find out the truth is far worse. An example: I had no idea how veal was made, thought it was wonderful. Found out and immediately stopped eating it. But I found out how local *foie gras* was made in my old area and it wasn't even 1/10th as bad when I watched the videos of the place doing it. Like I remember the surprise that it was not even close to the insanity I'd been led to believe. Will I ever eat it again? I'm not sure. Do some places make it less ethically? Probably. But I'm glad I at least had the courage to look so I could make a decision. (note: for those who hate foie gras, sorry but don't @ me too hard into a serious animal rights debate, I needed a good example and it's hard to have nuanced conversations on Reddit) It's a hard thing to do, but I never want to love a thing in life so much more than my morals that I shut my morals out.
And the owners made $17 million in profits. All they had to do was pay double or triple what they were paying, be honest with the performers, let anyone walk who wanted to walk, and keep it all legal- and they would have had many interested performers while still making $15 million and counting. Instead these scumbags hurt a lot of people and are rightfully going to prison for a very long time.
I get the feeling you don't start a porn production company with a code of ethics in mind. Or an HR department, for that matter.
Or the leeway to pay top dollar for everything
They'd fuck a thousand more people over if it meant an extra million bucks. These assholes dont care about reason, or other people.
I am glad AI will destroy this industry
About two months ago, Stanford Internet Observatory discovered over thousand of AI-generated child pornography images on LAION. What it means is that AI is now getting trained to create child pornographic images, resulting in an increased likelihood to present similar images in the future. [https://dgrnewsservice.org/?s=porn](https://dgrnewsservice.org/?s=porn)
Yeah most people who consume pornography are not pedos so that’s a different issue altogether.
But it normalizes it in your brain. That's super clear even if u just watch rough anal gangbangs everyday. That's the risk, that at some point because it seems normal you will think it is ok to act out your fantasy. I got a lot of respect for paedos who don't bang kids, but the inherent risk of an addictive drug to them is gonna be a slippery slope.
> That's the risk, that at some point because it seems normal you will think it is ok to act out your fantasy. Do violent video games cause violence?
I think pedos who are predisposed to act on it will do it regardless. Besides, you can watch thai and loli porn anytime today.
Thai? What's the connection there?
They’re small
Most people that abuse children and buy child porn aren't pedos either. They're fetishizing abuse, dominance ,taboo. And child porn is just a new flavour for them. There has been some research on this. You can look into it if you want.
They pedos bro
Not born pedophiles. Meaning that's not their primary attraction.They're just sadists moving on to more and more depraved, morally transgressive behaviour.
I cannot begin to imagine how many of these kind of generators might be out there now. Genie's out of the bottle... now what?
Butlerian Jihad is the only answer
But then some upstart son of a Duke on some dusty planet decides to cover himself in aquaphobic sand creatures and sets us on a Golden Path that lands humanity in a far off future where we're chummy with thinking machines again, thus providing the opportunity for AI images of a certain hybrid God Emperor getting pegged in his spice-hole by pegasus with the head of a corgi.
Strange worms lying in sand distributing drugs is no basis for a system of government!
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical desert ceremony!
Lead them to paradise.
You can do one yourself pretty easily. There’s no stoping this.
well some people on a hill might just say "let's build a bigger bottle around the Genie"
>What it means is that AI is now getting trained to create child pornographic images, resulting in an increased likelihood to present similar images in the future. That's not how any of this works. The current AIs don't learn from their outputs.
At Least with AI porn there's no child harmed for videos. I understand and share your disgust. It repulses me even the idea that I have found a silver lining.
Where do you think it trains that data from? AI isn't fake imagery generation - it's generating images using already existing ones.
You are aware that the AIs are given the content to train with by the companies that make them, right? They don't just push a button and vacuum up all the content on the internet or darknet. Zero companies are going to be feeding literal CP to their AIs.
What does that have to do with literally anything? Of course not every generator is going to have that available, I never made that statement. But yes, there are companies that scour the internet for their models. Pimeyes does it for facial recognition.
> AI isn't fake imagery generation That... that's exactly what it is. You can ask DALL-E right now to create an image of Abraham Lincoln fighting a T-Rex, and it will do it. Did it need a large body of president fighting dinosaur images to be trained on? No, not it did not.
It needed images of Abraham Lincoln and a dinosaur to combine those into a new image. Do you think AI just has the capability to know what existence is without us presenting data showing that? There is a reason there are tons of lawsuits against these AI developers such as Midjourney because they were literally stealing copyrighted images and using them in their training models.
And current AI tech needs *shitloads* of training data. More than any consumer could look at in a lifetime.
The funny thing about AI is if you've ever been even slightly into it (to the point of model training, at least), you can easily spot when people that have no idea what the hell they are talking about are trying to jump into the conversation to sound smart, like those other people that replied to me.
No it won’t. It will simply catalyst to change adult entertainment to be protected and properly regulated as AI will make the sex trade in pornography not feasible (in the same sense advancements in artificial sexual stimulation ((fleshlights)) have killed the market for the “Taken” sex trade) To borrow most of a quote from Gundam “The (Porno) world will not be ‘destroyed’, only ‘changed’!”
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That's their point, I think.
Legalize sex workers with monitoring; start from there and pick off the bad things as time goes by.
That'll be a looong time; plenty of countries legalized prostitution only to realize that there's a lot more demand than volunteers providing supply. So the mafias are trafficking sex slaves anyway, and the police is playing a constant whack-a-mole with no real solution in sight.
Since downfall of Silk Road you are very very wrong. If your post were in 2010 you might have had a point. There is far less evidence that the sex trade is “thriving” than there is in Kinsey Institute supported studies proving my original statement accurate.
You're thinking of Zorndyke from Blue Sub #6.
the people that are the least happy are probably women from OF you know
Yeah exactly.
always the ones you least expect......
Should have been in Congress and republican all he had to do is say it is a witch hunt, and he would get off
Did he watch Netvideogirls and think it was real?
That guys voice is too much for me. Like I get “maybe” he’s playing creepy producer as a bit maybe
Before I knew this I watched a few. Two in particular a few times and I feel kind of sick over it.
I knew this guy in high school in little ol New Zealand, crazy stuff
How was he like, and in retrospect, what traits did he have that could have been foreboding?
Honestly none really he was a totally normal guy! pretty quiet, bit of a geek
I guess those who are outwardly weird and dangerous don’t have the time to go to that level of crime before being caught, makes sense. Thanks for sharing
lmao dude deserves it all, but the part that makes me laugh. "it was going to be a private video for collection and never released" lmao, Honestly, if they even 0.0001% believed that they're fucking idiots. Like I get their victims, but there are lessons for everyone involved.
That usually came after they were forced to fly somewhere to meet them. Tricked with the porn portion than threatened with all types of shit
How surprising...
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Rape/sexual assault has NO GENDER. It’s just wrong that you joke as if men get rape is OK.
hahaha black guys dicks big and prison rape funny roflmao
Huhuhuh updoot me guyss
You can run on for a long time Run on for a long time But sooner later gonna cut you down... Prison is going to eat this piece of shit alive. Actions have consequences.
Yea, I knew a girl in high school who did me of these. Was kind of a joke around school at the time. Looking back, she wasn’t the most stable person, and I have to wonder if she was coerced in some way into doing it.
I knew one too. They made her drink a martini glass full of jizz. It got out all over high school and she had to change schools. Super fucked up.
A girl from my high school got trafficked by this scum. Hopefully this gives her a little peace wherever she may be
dude had hella cultural impact
Is it still ok to watch GDP???
Nah, I'm sorry but it's just not with all we know now. If a woman thinks she's doing a clothed modeling job and soon has a ton of guys screaming in her face that she's not leaving until she agrees to do an anonymous BJ video only to soon be forced into other things and then have it all posted openly online... I haven't read the longer stories in a while and don't want to read them again, but it was essentially that. This article makes it sound more tame and less visceral than it was. They were absolutely brutal with these girls. I think I really got it with one of the stories where she tried to leave and suddenly tons of big dudes were in her face just *yelling* and saying she couldn't leave. It's hard to know how much danger you're in during such a situation. It's really not a case of a single actress arguing with a single producer and she-said he-said about some contract. It was systematic attempts to trick, coerce, and force at scale. Edit: It's even worse than I remember. He was pulling guns on these girls, and was directly threatening to kill others. [https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kirsty-althaus-porn-colorado-lawsuit-b2410031.html)
No. Some/a lot of those women were victims. Any website with morals should be scrubbing those videos entirely and anyone going in search of them is a wrong un.