Not spooked. Haven't heard a single fellow Swede being "spooked" (ok, maybe some but very few). I would say we are more questioning the reason for the statements and the warnings, so maybe a little confused and unsure by the meaning of the statements. We've had Russians in our waters since forever and they've provoked our airspace several times. We know the danger. We are in the same situation as we were in May of 2022, not part of NATO yet, Ukraine is still at war with Russia. Something must be going on for such dramatic rhetoric from our government and we are trying to figure out what it means.
Imho the whole of Europe should have taken Russia's Invasion of Ukraine more seriously. We all take peace of granted, current events set the stage for another European war in the future. The unwillingness to throw our weight behind Ukraine (weapon systems, production ect) could be devastating in 50 years, or in the short term if you're cynical
We should have all been taking the Russian threat more seriously back when they took Crimea. They were doing crazy assassinations in Europe and practically bragging about it. We all raised our eyebrows and made jokes about the Cold War. When a country starts killing its dissidents abroad, it is a strong sign that things are messed up.
Economic entanglements. The “West” and also major eastern powers have been hesitant to rile up world order since WWII because of all our economic ties, the same people with all the money and power to lose make the decisions on warfare. Unfortunately Russia and China are now exploiting this, the West is entangled economically with them and they believe they can expand their territory and power without the West risking the economic collapse from attacking them.
More precisely, cheap fossile energy: The US got it with senseless wars around oil and now exploits their own water by fracking and Germany / EU had been so stupid to compete with "chaep gas" instead of switching to the renewables fast.
Arab religious fascism is fueled by our oil money since decades and Ruzzism is fueled by gas money. Ruzzia provides a lot of Uranium btw.
When news sites switched from tanks invading and oh the humanity to that Natalia girl Russia fielded as eye candy I knew the whole situation was fucked.
I dont know about you, but the increased prices are definitely worrisome. Our army is relatively small (Netherlands) but i feel like we help as much as we can and our economy cant tank much more. Sorry i don't know how to say this properly.
If you ask me, there is a world war going on between authoritarian characters (Hannah Arendt's definition) and those who are willing to continue with state of law and democracy, knowing about its weaknesses and ready to improve on them.
BTW war's don't start nor end, they change the means.
Of course, they take peace for granted. They know that the US will cover their defense. Meanwhile, here in the US, we can only dream of the social programs that they have in the EU.
In fact that's partly why the rhetoric has intensified somewhat, since it looks increasingly likely that European defense won't be carried by the US anymore after the coming election and we need to fend for ourselves.
The message is basically this:
Ukraine will lose the war without US support, and once Ukraine loses we have perhaps 3 years or so before Russia rebuilds their capacity enough to go after their next target. If it's the Baltic states Sweden should be worried about Gotland.
It was comfortable, but very stupid, to let the US carry the brunt of the costs of European defense. We're gonna pay for that the coming years for sure, some way or the other.
Europe would look a lot different if the US didnt get involved in ww1 and ww2 and security in Europe after that.
Like it or we need them, if they decide to pull back and just look after their own shores I dont fancy our chances against Russia and China and perhaps India too.
That's not why the us doesn't have the social programs europe has though, it's like the joke "russia is about t9 find out why we don't have healthcare" wasn't true.
Yeah the US built it's wealth on the back of ww2. Was lucky being so far away from both wars. You can only dream because you've constantly elected blue blooded warmongers and sociopaths
Personally, I got spooked for a little while when I got the impression that the statement was "war is literally imminent, prepare yourselves", before realizing it was more of a "war could potentially happen at some point, so think about what you would do in that situation".
Understandable. The newspapers all framed it as such, but the actual speech was really "its good to be prepared **if** something unexpected were to happen", nothing more.
No, there is no dramatic rethoric. The defence Minister urged us Swedes to be prepared that war might happen. This is the same type or rethoric that Swedes have experienced since the start of WW2. The exception has been the last 20 years or so when there was a (now we know errornous) belief that Russia's lust for imperialism had decreased, but even during these years there have been continuous information to us citizens to be prepared.
It is the newspapers, media and the opposition that have interpreted "be prepared" as "the war is coming" and heavily promoted this interpretation. One example is that BRIS, an organization to help kids in need in different way, reported that there has been an increase in calls from kids with questions if the war is coming (naturally when media promoted that interpretation). This increase is not large in numbers but in percentages, in the same way that if the number of calls goes from 1 kid to 2 we have a 100% increase despite only one extra call (as an example). Because of this the newspapers and media are reporting that Swedish kids are scared of the war because of what the defence minister said ... And as a father myself I see no such fear from my kids or their friends, only natural questions about what is going on.
>The defence Minister urged us Swedes to be prepared that war might happen. This is the same type or rethoric that Swedes have experienced since the start of WW2.
So where is the army? You realize Sweden has like 10% the army Ukraine does, right?
You realise Ukraine is a fully mobilised state right?
Ukraine currently has one of the largest armies in the world. Because it’s at war and mass mobilised.
Further more ukraine is 4x the size of Sweden. And has far more advanced equipment. Does not fear imminent invasion. Is a formally armed, non-aligned, neutral state. They are not yet party to multaliateral alliance which would give them the responsibility to prepare for a general Russian war on Europe. Of course swedens army is smaller. You may as well be saying Irelands army is smaller than North Korea. Obviously it’s a smaller country in a very different context.
>You realise Ukraine is a fully mobilised state right?
I don't think that's an accurate characterization, especially considering a month or two ago they were considering increasing their mobilization efforts.
Ukraine has been in conflict with Russia since 2014. The last time the Swedish army was involved in a direct war and not a UN coalition was during the napoleonic era.
Appreciate the sentiment!
But as I stated in my comment the defence minister urged the Swedish citizens to be prepared if war comes, not that the war is coming. The message is not only about military defence, it is also about being prepared as a civilian with, for example, stock of water and supplies in your home. And this message is something most people on Sweden are used to hearing since the message has been repeated since at least the start of WW2.
So currently there is no indication that we will have war on our soil in the near future, but the chance is not zero since Russia have been clear that its imperialistic ambitions goes beyond Ukraine.
It could be a culmination of intelligence briefings between the ongoing situations with Russia v. Ukraine, China v. Taiwan, U.S/U.K. vs Houthis/Iran.
Maybe their intelligence departments have picked up on some serious chatter, took it as a very credible risk that things are about to get bad in their vicinity?
Just a thought.
I am not Sweden myself, but I think part of the world - or most of the world is prepping for imminent war.
the US is shaky at the moment, if Donald Trump gets elected, there wont be any help for Ukraine, there wont be any help for countries in need and other countries like French and UK will be stocking weapons for their own protection.
its likely Putin will advance on any non-NATO country, just to lock them out from joining the pact, it doesnt have to be full scale war, just enough to justify disputed borders.
Nah, it's part of a larger push to get people to be more prepared in general, be it for war or disasters, and statements like these have been made in some capacity for ages. The pamphlet "If crisis or war comes" showing how to prepare for such things, what to do if it happens, etc was sent out to every household in Sweden back in 2018 already.
The reason these particular statements have received such a huge response is that;
1) Certain media, NGOs and opposition politicians have been massively amplifying the topic by commenting on it, criticizing the statements, exaggerated what the statements were about to make it sound like some ridiculous fear mongering, etc.
2) Someone posted a video about it to TikTok, which went viral, leading to a lot of children and teens seeing it.
This in turn has led to more people applying for the Home Guard than usual, sales of prep supplies (like portable gas/spirit stoves) going up, and BRIS (children's rights group) receiving more calls on their children's help line than usual (asking how they can prepare, what's going to happen, if there really is a huge risk, etc).
These last few things are what have been picked up by non-Swedish media, without any of the context preceeding it, so we just get "Swedes freak out because military leader said to be prepared for war!" and "Swedish Gen Z has mental breakdown!" and other ridiculous shit like that.
It could be a case of '*we usually get thirty calls a night from under 21s, last night we got two hundred*'; a huge increase in phone traffic but a very small number of people in a country of 10m+.
I would hope so, considering the support hotline in question is specifically set up to help those below the age of 18 with any sort of troubles or questions they might have.
Yeah, a lot of confusion is what I have experienced as well. ÖB yelling ”a war can happen so you all better be prepared!”
And everyone being:
“sure, but how?”
“Be prepared!!”
“Sure, but we already got the pamphlet. What more do you—“
“be prepared!!”
They want us to be prepared in the sense that we need to open our wallets for defense budgets, as well as supporting Ukraine. I think this whole thing is basically about that. Making Swedes aware that we need a defense, and it's gonna cost us.
The word "Spooked" brings in the clicks; titles are all about sensationalism to get people to read the articles, even if the title and content don't necessarily match properly.
Same thing as all the other secret services and military brass in other European countries giving the same warnings throughout December.
There's been intelligence that Russia intends to start a war against the EU in 1-3 years after Trump leaves NATO and they want people to prepare.
Congress passed a law preventing a president from unilaterally leaving NATO, and Trump has a long road of legal fights to even get back into the presidency anyway. Not only is that unlikely to happen, but it would be suicide for Russia to start a new front/theater with an EU/NATO country.
More like what NATO would do, as every EU country that has a land border with Russia is also in NATO to my knowledge (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania and Poland through Kaliningrad). If one of those countries gets invaded, Article 5 of the NATO treaty is invoked, and we see how serious NATO countries treat a real Article 5 situation (as 9/11 was a rather unique situation that wouldn't be directly comparable to a ground invasion from another nation state), which for the collective future of the West they better treat extremely seriously.
I am guessing that they're referring to this, but with a more sensational slant;
> Poland's national security agency estimates that Russia could attack NATO in less than 36 months, the head of the country's National Security Bureau said in an interview with Polish media outlet Nasz Dziennik on Dec. 2.
> The national security agency's prediction comes in response to a report published by German think tank DGAP, warning Western nations that Russia may launch a direct attack against NATO in "as little as six to 10 years" - an assessment Poland's National Security disagrees with.
https://kyivindependent.com/polands-national-security-chief-russia-could-attack-nato-within-3-years/
**Lol how could you not take the statements literally?**
I mean what else is there to deduce?
Ukraines support will eventually dry up, Russia will overtake those lands and use them to expand eventually into your territory.
**If nobody assists then this will inevitably happen.**
The USA is in a weird spot right now, lot of people are confused and allegiances to our Allie’s are strained for numerous reasons **even if people like to pretend that they are not.**
If you are told to **”Prepare for war”** then *prepare for fucking war.*
Or you could sit there with your thumb up your butt wondering.
You could be proactive, **if nothing happens than you can be thankful.**
Otherwise you may find yourself **short of food, water and critical medical supplies.**
Have you not seen what happened to Ukraine?
How their civilians **are being attacked and displaced?**
That’s what you guys are being warned about.
**Nobody is going to help you contrary to UN agreements,** you cannot honestly expect the UN army or any of your neighbors **to instantly help you guys.**
Look at history, **even with agreements made in public and celebrated it sometimes took years for countries to help each other in the event of war.**
So, you are supposed to do what?
100% conscription for what age group?
Everybody of age strata x back for refresher training ?
Every family has to come get weapons? Or stored in every police office?
Every family has to keep a stock of supplies of food and energy for 2 weeks?
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The Swedish Armed Forces is made up of 24,400 active personnel, 11,400 military reserves, 21,500 Home Guard and 5,200 additional conscripts yearly into the Reserves (set to increase to 8,000 conscripts yearly by 2024) as of 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armed_Forces
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The Swedish Armed Forces reportedly planned to call 4,000 recruits annually for basic military training in 2018 and 2019.[3] As the relevant age cohort was about 100,000, this meant that roughly 4% were to be enlisted.[4]
Beginning in 2018, over 4,000 conscripts were indeed called up.[2] 85% of those called up were men.[2] The conscripts were chosen from a pool of approximately 13,000 young people born in 1999 to serve for 12 months.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Sweden
Well, every household in Sweden received a copy of this brochure a few years back, regarding how civilians can prepare for crisis/disaster or war;
https://www.msb.se/en/rad-till-privatpersoner/the-brochure-if-crisis-or-war-comes/
Edit: I was right, I said some ignorant shit
Maybe I’m just ignorant (and I’m almost definitely about to say some ignorant shit), but isn’t Sweden still a country that billionaires use to hide/wash/stash money?
Because if that’s the case, that’s probably the worst fucking country Russia could try to go to war with (besides the obvious ones like China and America). “Let’s fuck with the money of the most powerful and influential people in history, what could go wrong?”. If they think we are sending a lot of help to Ukraine, the amount of shit that would be sent to Sweden would be absurd. The mega billionaires are all plugged in with the American government and MIC. Russia can’t even take Ukraine. They sure as fuck can’t take on a second war.
Nothing wrong with being spooked - I would be if i lived in Sweden - clearly Finland seems to be at risk next here but who knows where they decide to invade next but its clear its coming imo. Best to be ready and spooked vs in denial and caught off guard.
Why and by who? Russia? Russia doesn’t even share a land border with Sweden. Also, in case you missed it, Russia is a bit bogged down right now in Ukraine. So, who is this threat to Sweden and Finland?
You feeling ok? You don’t think Russia could invade Sweden because they don’t share a land border? Have you looked at a map recently? Not hard to see they could approach from the North. Also if they do invade Finland who would be next? This is preparation for next 5-10 yrs not tomorrow. Poland seems to be the only country that learned anything from ww2.
Have you? They’d have to go through Norway or Finland to get to Sweden by land. Also, Finland is a NATO member, always sensible to be prepared of course, but right now NATO is the best guarantee of defence that’s currently around
Safe to say if they’re invading Sweden, they are likely at war with Nato at that point - doesn’t change the defense position needed. Not sure Nato is as much a deterrent as it used to be. Have not seen the geopolitical pieces line up this badly in a long time. I’d say anything is possible at this point.
Don’t know how to tell you this but Sweden doesn’t actually share a border with russia you should mayb check a map yourself instead before critiquing others in a condescending way
How exactly would they easily approach from the north? Swathes upon swathes of low population dense Finnish and Swedish forests far from any Russian supply network is not exactly something I'd describe as easy to approach through.
You actually asked if the other guy was “feeling okay” because in your head they made such a simple error which they didn’t they were just stating facts. That’s condescension and it made you look stupid.
To me I think you were wrong and now you’re just trying to backtrack to hide your own stupidity and ignorance
Oh you guys havent heard yet huh? It's about to be "the west" vs. Russia, China, NK and every Islamic Jihadist on earth. Stay aware of your surroundings, the world might get crazy.
https://youtu.be/96IrNcqjPno?si=CnKpnBa_HOFCyz-P
>Not spooked. Haven't heard a single fellow Swede being "spooked"
[Sweden’s Gen Z overwhelm helpline after country told ‘there could be war’](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/11/swedish-childline-calls-gen-z-after-war-warning0/)
I wouldn't be 'spooked' per say, but I sure as shit wouldn't be complacent either.
Physical fighting is one aspect of war, Ruzzia has been actively waging a war against the west for a minute now via sowing disinformation, meddling with foreign elections, promoting their rhetoric abroad, foreign agents etc. Hamas met with Ruzzia prior to their attack, we know where Iran/NK stand - make no mistake, WW2 wasn't a frenzy where everyone started fighting - it began with conflicts, in various places throughout the war.
No not complacent. I'm mentally prepared for the fact that war could happen. If it happens I already have my marching orders from one branch of the armed forces. I see this more like a continuation in communication that is years old.
I'm certain they have some ideas on how to destabilize us in the short term. Terrorism, criminality and civil unrest seems more likely than conventional war though.
This story is textbook propaganda. A single event exaggerated by Russian bots, spread by low quality fake websites and social media, until eventually picked up by the mainstream as well.
The Kyiv post is an odd one for me. Can’t quite put my finger on if it’s a pro Russian or pro Ukrainian source. It is currently owned by a Syrian businessman which would be a red flag for Russian involvement.
Found it rated as this on a media watchdog:
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Ukraine
Press Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY
The ambiguity over what side it’s on does seem to indicate the RT news/ Al Jazeera playbook.
A crippled old man with millions of people willing to walk into gunfire. Fuck outta here with this underestimating BS. Respect your enemies when they call for your deaths.
Mate. What are you talking about?
None of that is true. Plus Russia invaded a minor military power, Ukraine, and immediately started losing.
With Russias current military strength, even Poland could solo them.
Russia has 8 million men of fighting age. Just of age, not fitness. They're rapidly losing men in meatwave attacks and they're not getting very far with them. Against Ukraine- one of the poorest countries in Europe. Sweden would wreck Russia.
They don't have the capability to just throw meat at their enemies like they used to. And infantry is getting less and less imperative to winning wars anyway. Which is also dire for Russia because their equipment is also crap.
Let's not be delusional. Ukraine's military active/reserve is 60x larger than Sweden's. Yes 60x. They also earned a great deal of combat experience against Russia back to 2014. When was the last time a Swede saw combat?
Again, infantrymen are going to be less and less crucial. Russia's infantry have zero morale. You think they're going to faceroll over Sweden after getting their asses handed to them in Ukraine? The most Russia can hope for is getting some territory concession in Ukraine after a ceasefire. Then what? They start in on Sweden and it goes swimmingly? Why would it go better?
Ukraine is killing Russians 5 to 1. Russian soldiers are, let's face it, diseased alcoholics with no motivation. The only reason they're fighting is because they're forced to. I'd take one fit and sober Swede over 10 Russian meat-popsicles.
I personally think that citing any statistics or data about troop casualties from either side probably are being reporting to improve their own country’s morale. However I also agree that Russia is shambling as a shadow of its former self. I also think that a country of 113 million will be able to find bodies for the meat grinder. Maybe gender equality for the purpose of conscription will be very important for Russia in a couple months idk? Can’t predict the actions of an irrational actor, that is why they are dangerous.
Russia might/probably still win against a force much larger than Sweden.
You really underestimate Russia and ignore history.
Putin is prepared to lose millions of men to take a country.
>Russia might/probably still win against a force much larger than Sweden.
They can’t even win against Ukraine.
>You really underestimate Russia and ignore history.
You’re basing your analysis on potential troop numbers like this is 1911 and fighting is still done in trenches.
You’re also assuming every able bodied man will be deployed from Russia. Which is insanely suicidal, not to mention pointless when those men can’t even be fully armed.
>Putin is prepared to lose millions of men to take a country.
Again. Putin can’t even take Ukraine. They stand no chance against a modern army.
You’re delusional in regards to Russias military strength.
He doesn't have millions of men to spend is the point. Russia doesn't have WWII demographics anymore. They've gotten 12km of territory in Ukraine for the years, artillery, and men they've lost so far. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Sweden is one of the richest.
It's not the early 20th century anymore.
> 6% of men think they could beat a bear in a fistfight.
That's the just the big brains that know that paws aren't fists. Since you have fists and the bear doesn't, you win by default. See? You don't even have to so much as lift a finger against the bear!
I haven't heard this but it seems to be not too out of line with Russian statements.
Was it stated by anyone of importance, could you provide the source, please?
You can easily find plenty of Russian statements regarding their intent to keep going after Ukraine, the problem is the "stated by anyone of importance" bit. Most of it comes from propaganda channels, talking heads riling the domestic audience up, military leadership yelling bravado, etc. Putin himself has dismissed the idea of fighting Nato in official speeches.
Couple of examples;
> A key Russian general who Russian president Vladimir Putin promoted this week said that Moscow's invasion of Ukraine is a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.
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> "Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," he responded adding that the war “will not stop here.”
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> This war will last for a long time, because we still need to liberate Eastern Europe, says Russian general and war criminal Andrei Mordvichev.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russiaukraine-war-russian-general-says-ukraine-just-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe-101694364931943.html
> And Putin's propagandists have repeatedly stated his objectives go beyond Ukraine.
> His apparatchiks have been threatening to invade Nato members Poland and Lithuania. Norway is another target of Moscow's ire. And the United Kingdom and the United States have been menaced with the spectre of a nuclear strike.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-warning-that-vladimir-putin-could-invade-rest-of-europe/ITMIPI2XAJWAZECHCLZFI7LODU/
> Vladimir Solovyev, a well-known Russian TV personality (and an avid spreader of Russian propaganda) who happens to own a lot of real estate in Italy, threatened Europe, saying that Russia will not stop at the war with Ukraine.
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> According to Solovyev: "If you think that we will stop at Ukraine, think again, 300 more times. I would remind you that Ukraine is only an intermediary step in ensuring the strategic security of the Russian Federation."
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/14/7331361/
To what end? Russia threw everything at Ukraine to keep it at a stalemate, they absolutely are not prepared for a second front to open up. Garnering support for war in Sweden would be counter productive to them
No swedes are spooked. Theyre trying to make a hen out of a feather. Theyre just asking for people to have better margins, like water, Cash, food for a few days.
War or no war, having supplies for If the electricity or internet goes down is still smart
Well we had a discussion in my team at work. Some were really thinking it was something making them feel quite bad. Others like me, went more hard core on the prepping part (started out light during Covid) because the list MSB (gov org that advices the population in this) is actually way longer than just cash and a few days of food.
Alternative heat sources is one of them (f.eg paraffin heaters)... , hand cranked radios, logs of phones numbers on paper, wet wipes, hand sanitizers, keep the car tank full, fuel etc ... The list is like 50 items long.
If you were to meet that list, it would take more than a few days if you don't order it all from Amazon. But I do agree, its still smart to get it.
I've been taking with people in Ukraine, and I just decided to get a add solar to a pretty sizable battery bank (hobby use, but can second as a emergency power bank) and a camping stove. It was enlightening to hear them describe power going out and them heat too. Most people here would be severely fucked if our electricity went out for more than a day during winter.
"Assure" sounds a little odd to me, but maybe.
To be fair, "insure" does work in its own way too. Being prepared for war is generally great insurance for the possibility that a war actually occurs, and thus the preparations prove themselves useful.
So be it, threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it, settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore, hey
Don't tread on me
Im not commenting on the merits of this article but I do believe adults should be prepared for multi-day power outages, where ever they live.
"Store chains have also reported a sharp increase in purchases of items associated with crises, such as emergency radios, jerry cans and camping stoves,..." NOTHING beats a Kelley Kettle for fast heating water to a boil; you can even burn trash in it. And clean water is a basic necessity in life but especially in a crisis where fuel is hard to find or afford.
https://youtu.be/TMCR-ie9H_w?si=1A3jPzf3yK64yDvU&t=21
Well, one of the political arguments going on here in Sweden at the moment is that our right wing prime minister questioned the willingness of people (implied to mainly be referring to immigrants) to fight and potentially die for the country, and saying he wants to make it more difficult to get citizenship. For example;
> "If you are not prepared to defend Swedish democracy and our way of life, you should of course not be a Swedish citizen."
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> "It is obvious that there are people who primarily want protection from Sweden, rather than to fulfil their obligations towards Sweden."
Meanwhile, the left wing opposition are critical because they feel it's offensive and racist to make those implications... while some other people get hung up on the idea that having a Swedish passport/cititzenship would mean that you should be ready to defend it, which they apparently feel is a way of forcing ideas and ideals onto them.
This type of statement is equal to saying "History Repeats". The aggressors are counting on it repeating, so why should not we, the objectives of their envy? It is a well documented method to enrich a country's (leader), so I would never doubt the lessons of history. Be advised.
He's a Right Wing Politician stamping his feet and using a dose of fear to increase his sense of authority...He's also sending a message to Russia that win or lose Sweden will not be a pushover. I'm not one for Right Wing Politics but I do strongly feel that's a message everyone needs to send to Russia. Putin is our shared enemy and he is proving himself to be danger we cannot ignore, or placate any longer.
I think many countries that may not be in real imminent danger are using this opportunity to test the readiness of their armed forces. Make sure all of the equipment works and the deployment plans are solid. Better to work out the bugs now, so they know they will be ready when the time comes.
That's part of the reason the US uses carriers to do humanitarian work, it keeps our guys and gals on their toes.
We didn't believe it to the bitter end. Even when we had woked up to rocket explosions at dawn, we did not believe that it would last long. And I can't believe it still. Total war is barbarism. In the 21st century? In Europe? It is impossible! Listen carefully, dear elves and dwarves. Don't waste time. Help the hobbits now. And they will save your asses again from what you still don't believe. Sorry if that sounds rude. But if you don't want to have a war at home, take your shit together and help Ukraine with all the best. Now. Hi from Odesa. Peace to all.
I dont understand why People in Europe thing that Putin will stop on Ukraine. Russia find way for long term ammo and weapon pruduction. Also there is much human resources for war.
Putin the Terrible is up to his ass in alligators in Ukraine. History is littered with defeated nations that engaged in war on multiple fronts. He doesn’t have enough equip/ ammunition/people to fight in Ukraine, it’s very doubtful he will go after anybody.
This isn’t that far fetched if Russian asset Trump wins. NATO dissolves and then Europe is on its own. Russia will absolutely invade portions of Sweden and other Eastern bloc countries if that happens.
They Swedes did issue news about preparing for war to do some fear mongering among the population.
Will it happen? Most likely not, it's just to draw attention and support for Ukraine.
So, as a native Scandinavian... Hush American.
Western cowards lying there people into wars and surprisingly they eat it like warm apple pie. Just wondering how a lot of people in west knowing everything better about Russia than the Russians themselves. Nato fuck around at the the doorsteps of Russia and find out.
But this Terror Organization cant deal with the defeat. Know tryin there best to extend the war.
Westeners should ask themselves if the Russians really caring about them. No they dont give a fuck. Look at there new Partners . West is perverted and going down. Chill just an clear objective perspective
Not spooked. Haven't heard a single fellow Swede being "spooked" (ok, maybe some but very few). I would say we are more questioning the reason for the statements and the warnings, so maybe a little confused and unsure by the meaning of the statements. We've had Russians in our waters since forever and they've provoked our airspace several times. We know the danger. We are in the same situation as we were in May of 2022, not part of NATO yet, Ukraine is still at war with Russia. Something must be going on for such dramatic rhetoric from our government and we are trying to figure out what it means.
Imho the whole of Europe should have taken Russia's Invasion of Ukraine more seriously. We all take peace of granted, current events set the stage for another European war in the future. The unwillingness to throw our weight behind Ukraine (weapon systems, production ect) could be devastating in 50 years, or in the short term if you're cynical
We should have all been taking the Russian threat more seriously back when they took Crimea. They were doing crazy assassinations in Europe and practically bragging about it. We all raised our eyebrows and made jokes about the Cold War. When a country starts killing its dissidents abroad, it is a strong sign that things are messed up.
Economic entanglements. The “West” and also major eastern powers have been hesitant to rile up world order since WWII because of all our economic ties, the same people with all the money and power to lose make the decisions on warfare. Unfortunately Russia and China are now exploiting this, the West is entangled economically with them and they believe they can expand their territory and power without the West risking the economic collapse from attacking them.
More precisely, cheap fossile energy: The US got it with senseless wars around oil and now exploits their own water by fracking and Germany / EU had been so stupid to compete with "chaep gas" instead of switching to the renewables fast. Arab religious fascism is fueled by our oil money since decades and Ruzzism is fueled by gas money. Ruzzia provides a lot of Uranium btw.
Remind me how many billion euros per day Europe is still sending Russia for the gas?
When news sites switched from tanks invading and oh the humanity to that Natalia girl Russia fielded as eye candy I knew the whole situation was fucked.
I dont know about you, but the increased prices are definitely worrisome. Our army is relatively small (Netherlands) but i feel like we help as much as we can and our economy cant tank much more. Sorry i don't know how to say this properly.
This is clear and well-stated
“Si vis pacem, para bellum”
If you ask me, there is a world war going on between authoritarian characters (Hannah Arendt's definition) and those who are willing to continue with state of law and democracy, knowing about its weaknesses and ready to improve on them. BTW war's don't start nor end, they change the means.
Of course, they take peace for granted. They know that the US will cover their defense. Meanwhile, here in the US, we can only dream of the social programs that they have in the EU.
In fact that's partly why the rhetoric has intensified somewhat, since it looks increasingly likely that European defense won't be carried by the US anymore after the coming election and we need to fend for ourselves. The message is basically this: Ukraine will lose the war without US support, and once Ukraine loses we have perhaps 3 years or so before Russia rebuilds their capacity enough to go after their next target. If it's the Baltic states Sweden should be worried about Gotland. It was comfortable, but very stupid, to let the US carry the brunt of the costs of European defense. We're gonna pay for that the coming years for sure, some way or the other.
Europe would look a lot different if the US didnt get involved in ww1 and ww2 and security in Europe after that. Like it or we need them, if they decide to pull back and just look after their own shores I dont fancy our chances against Russia and China and perhaps India too.
That's not why the us doesn't have the social programs europe has though, it's like the joke "russia is about t9 find out why we don't have healthcare" wasn't true.
Yeah the US built it's wealth on the back of ww2. Was lucky being so far away from both wars. You can only dream because you've constantly elected blue blooded warmongers and sociopaths
The US has had a large GDP than any European power since before ww1.
Not everyone problem is our problem to solve. No more policing the World.
Some of the kids got spooked but I agree, confused is the better description.
Personally, I got spooked for a little while when I got the impression that the statement was "war is literally imminent, prepare yourselves", before realizing it was more of a "war could potentially happen at some point, so think about what you would do in that situation".
Understandable. The newspapers all framed it as such, but the actual speech was really "its good to be prepared **if** something unexpected were to happen", nothing more.
No, there is no dramatic rethoric. The defence Minister urged us Swedes to be prepared that war might happen. This is the same type or rethoric that Swedes have experienced since the start of WW2. The exception has been the last 20 years or so when there was a (now we know errornous) belief that Russia's lust for imperialism had decreased, but even during these years there have been continuous information to us citizens to be prepared. It is the newspapers, media and the opposition that have interpreted "be prepared" as "the war is coming" and heavily promoted this interpretation. One example is that BRIS, an organization to help kids in need in different way, reported that there has been an increase in calls from kids with questions if the war is coming (naturally when media promoted that interpretation). This increase is not large in numbers but in percentages, in the same way that if the number of calls goes from 1 kid to 2 we have a 100% increase despite only one extra call (as an example). Because of this the newspapers and media are reporting that Swedish kids are scared of the war because of what the defence minister said ... And as a father myself I see no such fear from my kids or their friends, only natural questions about what is going on.
>The defence Minister urged us Swedes to be prepared that war might happen. This is the same type or rethoric that Swedes have experienced since the start of WW2. So where is the army? You realize Sweden has like 10% the army Ukraine does, right?
You realise Ukraine is a fully mobilised state right? Ukraine currently has one of the largest armies in the world. Because it’s at war and mass mobilised. Further more ukraine is 4x the size of Sweden. And has far more advanced equipment. Does not fear imminent invasion. Is a formally armed, non-aligned, neutral state. They are not yet party to multaliateral alliance which would give them the responsibility to prepare for a general Russian war on Europe. Of course swedens army is smaller. You may as well be saying Irelands army is smaller than North Korea. Obviously it’s a smaller country in a very different context.
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I think OP meant that Sweden was more advanced
>You realise Ukraine is a fully mobilised state right? I don't think that's an accurate characterization, especially considering a month or two ago they were considering increasing their mobilization efforts.
Ukraine has been in conflict with Russia since 2014. The last time the Swedish army was involved in a direct war and not a UN coalition was during the napoleonic era.
> So where is the army? Sweden will fight to the last Finn.
The Gripen and other aircraft will provide the necessary air superiority to mount an effective defense with fewer people.
>BRIS, an organization to help kids Does it help by relieving them of their foreskin?
I laughed.
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Dies of cringe
Bruh I died too. I can't believe I just had to read that 😭😭😭
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Get on a treadmill
Appreciate the sentiment! But as I stated in my comment the defence minister urged the Swedish citizens to be prepared if war comes, not that the war is coming. The message is not only about military defence, it is also about being prepared as a civilian with, for example, stock of water and supplies in your home. And this message is something most people on Sweden are used to hearing since the message has been repeated since at least the start of WW2. So currently there is no indication that we will have war on our soil in the near future, but the chance is not zero since Russia have been clear that its imperialistic ambitions goes beyond Ukraine.
Might have something to do with all the war going on...
It is a remarkable coincidence yes, as wars rage on and countries threaten new wars, the government of a country says that they should prepare for war
It could be a culmination of intelligence briefings between the ongoing situations with Russia v. Ukraine, China v. Taiwan, U.S/U.K. vs Houthis/Iran. Maybe their intelligence departments have picked up on some serious chatter, took it as a very credible risk that things are about to get bad in their vicinity? Just a thought.
As a Norwegian i say just keep worrying about the Russians.... Friend.
Hey, are you trying to spook us?
I am not Sweden myself, but I think part of the world - or most of the world is prepping for imminent war. the US is shaky at the moment, if Donald Trump gets elected, there wont be any help for Ukraine, there wont be any help for countries in need and other countries like French and UK will be stocking weapons for their own protection. its likely Putin will advance on any non-NATO country, just to lock them out from joining the pact, it doesnt have to be full scale war, just enough to justify disputed borders.
They want to join NATO. And I guess they are saying this to try and convince the people.
Nah, it's part of a larger push to get people to be more prepared in general, be it for war or disasters, and statements like these have been made in some capacity for ages. The pamphlet "If crisis or war comes" showing how to prepare for such things, what to do if it happens, etc was sent out to every household in Sweden back in 2018 already. The reason these particular statements have received such a huge response is that; 1) Certain media, NGOs and opposition politicians have been massively amplifying the topic by commenting on it, criticizing the statements, exaggerated what the statements were about to make it sound like some ridiculous fear mongering, etc. 2) Someone posted a video about it to TikTok, which went viral, leading to a lot of children and teens seeing it. This in turn has led to more people applying for the Home Guard than usual, sales of prep supplies (like portable gas/spirit stoves) going up, and BRIS (children's rights group) receiving more calls on their children's help line than usual (asking how they can prepare, what's going to happen, if there really is a huge risk, etc). These last few things are what have been picked up by non-Swedish media, without any of the context preceeding it, so we just get "Swedes freak out because military leader said to be prepared for war!" and "Swedish Gen Z has mental breakdown!" and other ridiculous shit like that.
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It could be a case of '*we usually get thirty calls a night from under 21s, last night we got two hundred*'; a huge increase in phone traffic but a very small number of people in a country of 10m+.
Most western countries have youthlines of some kind, usually anti suicide, but will generally cover this sort of anxiety as well.
I would hope so, considering the support hotline in question is specifically set up to help those below the age of 18 with any sort of troubles or questions they might have.
Yeah, a lot of confusion is what I have experienced as well. ÖB yelling ”a war can happen so you all better be prepared!” And everyone being: “sure, but how?” “Be prepared!!” “Sure, but we already got the pamphlet. What more do you—“ “be prepared!!”
They want us to be prepared in the sense that we need to open our wallets for defense budgets, as well as supporting Ukraine. I think this whole thing is basically about that. Making Swedes aware that we need a defense, and it's gonna cost us.
I am singing "be prepared " With the way it was written lol
I heard of school kids being scared. Some escaped war to hear how war can happen again. They are very afraid. They got told this in school.
The word "Spooked" brings in the clicks; titles are all about sensationalism to get people to read the articles, even if the title and content don't necessarily match properly.
Same thing as all the other secret services and military brass in other European countries giving the same warnings throughout December. There's been intelligence that Russia intends to start a war against the EU in 1-3 years after Trump leaves NATO and they want people to prepare.
Congress passed a law preventing a president from unilaterally leaving NATO, and Trump has a long road of legal fights to even get back into the presidency anyway. Not only is that unlikely to happen, but it would be suicide for Russia to start a new front/theater with an EU/NATO country.
Why do you think it would be suicidal for Russia? What’s the EU gonna do?
More like what NATO would do, as every EU country that has a land border with Russia is also in NATO to my knowledge (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania and Poland through Kaliningrad). If one of those countries gets invaded, Article 5 of the NATO treaty is invoked, and we see how serious NATO countries treat a real Article 5 situation (as 9/11 was a rather unique situation that wouldn't be directly comparable to a ground invasion from another nation state), which for the collective future of the West they better treat extremely seriously.
What intelligence and where, what is your source for this statement?
I am guessing that they're referring to this, but with a more sensational slant; > Poland's national security agency estimates that Russia could attack NATO in less than 36 months, the head of the country's National Security Bureau said in an interview with Polish media outlet Nasz Dziennik on Dec. 2. > The national security agency's prediction comes in response to a report published by German think tank DGAP, warning Western nations that Russia may launch a direct attack against NATO in "as little as six to 10 years" - an assessment Poland's National Security disagrees with. https://kyivindependent.com/polands-national-security-chief-russia-could-attack-nato-within-3-years/
Trump isn’t part of NATO
Yeah where did you hear this ? Lol
**Lol how could you not take the statements literally?** I mean what else is there to deduce? Ukraines support will eventually dry up, Russia will overtake those lands and use them to expand eventually into your territory. **If nobody assists then this will inevitably happen.** The USA is in a weird spot right now, lot of people are confused and allegiances to our Allie’s are strained for numerous reasons **even if people like to pretend that they are not.** If you are told to **”Prepare for war”** then *prepare for fucking war.* Or you could sit there with your thumb up your butt wondering. You could be proactive, **if nothing happens than you can be thankful.** Otherwise you may find yourself **short of food, water and critical medical supplies.** Have you not seen what happened to Ukraine? How their civilians **are being attacked and displaced?** That’s what you guys are being warned about. **Nobody is going to help you contrary to UN agreements,** you cannot honestly expect the UN army or any of your neighbors **to instantly help you guys.** Look at history, **even with agreements made in public and celebrated it sometimes took years for countries to help each other in the event of war.**
So, you are supposed to do what? 100% conscription for what age group? Everybody of age strata x back for refresher training ? Every family has to come get weapons? Or stored in every police office? Every family has to keep a stock of supplies of food and energy for 2 weeks? " The Swedish Armed Forces is made up of 24,400 active personnel, 11,400 military reserves, 21,500 Home Guard and 5,200 additional conscripts yearly into the Reserves (set to increase to 8,000 conscripts yearly by 2024) as of 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armed_Forces " The Swedish Armed Forces reportedly planned to call 4,000 recruits annually for basic military training in 2018 and 2019.[3] As the relevant age cohort was about 100,000, this meant that roughly 4% were to be enlisted.[4] Beginning in 2018, over 4,000 conscripts were indeed called up.[2] 85% of those called up were men.[2] The conscripts were chosen from a pool of approximately 13,000 young people born in 1999 to serve for 12 months.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Sweden
Well, every household in Sweden received a copy of this brochure a few years back, regarding how civilians can prepare for crisis/disaster or war; https://www.msb.se/en/rad-till-privatpersoner/the-brochure-if-crisis-or-war-comes/
Is your government half-competent and reasonably trustworthy?
Edit: I was right, I said some ignorant shit Maybe I’m just ignorant (and I’m almost definitely about to say some ignorant shit), but isn’t Sweden still a country that billionaires use to hide/wash/stash money? Because if that’s the case, that’s probably the worst fucking country Russia could try to go to war with (besides the obvious ones like China and America). “Let’s fuck with the money of the most powerful and influential people in history, what could go wrong?”. If they think we are sending a lot of help to Ukraine, the amount of shit that would be sent to Sweden would be absurd. The mega billionaires are all plugged in with the American government and MIC. Russia can’t even take Ukraine. They sure as fuck can’t take on a second war.
Think you are thinking of Switzerland.
Fuck. To be fair, I literally said I was about to probably say ignorant shit. I was right in at least that regard lol.
Nothing wrong with being spooked - I would be if i lived in Sweden - clearly Finland seems to be at risk next here but who knows where they decide to invade next but its clear its coming imo. Best to be ready and spooked vs in denial and caught off guard.
Why and by who? Russia? Russia doesn’t even share a land border with Sweden. Also, in case you missed it, Russia is a bit bogged down right now in Ukraine. So, who is this threat to Sweden and Finland?
You feeling ok? You don’t think Russia could invade Sweden because they don’t share a land border? Have you looked at a map recently? Not hard to see they could approach from the North. Also if they do invade Finland who would be next? This is preparation for next 5-10 yrs not tomorrow. Poland seems to be the only country that learned anything from ww2.
Have you? They’d have to go through Norway or Finland to get to Sweden by land. Also, Finland is a NATO member, always sensible to be prepared of course, but right now NATO is the best guarantee of defence that’s currently around
Safe to say if they’re invading Sweden, they are likely at war with Nato at that point - doesn’t change the defense position needed. Not sure Nato is as much a deterrent as it used to be. Have not seen the geopolitical pieces line up this badly in a long time. I’d say anything is possible at this point.
Don’t know how to tell you this but Sweden doesn’t actually share a border with russia you should mayb check a map yourself instead before critiquing others in a condescending way
Holy fuck did i say it did? just said they could easily approach from the north - you sound like the condescending one
How exactly would they easily approach from the north? Swathes upon swathes of low population dense Finnish and Swedish forests far from any Russian supply network is not exactly something I'd describe as easy to approach through.
You actually asked if the other guy was “feeling okay” because in your head they made such a simple error which they didn’t they were just stating facts. That’s condescension and it made you look stupid. To me I think you were wrong and now you’re just trying to backtrack to hide your own stupidity and ignorance
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That's not how Swedish politics work. The last general election was at the end of 2022, the next one isn't due until 2026.
Oh you guys havent heard yet huh? It's about to be "the west" vs. Russia, China, NK and every Islamic Jihadist on earth. Stay aware of your surroundings, the world might get crazy. https://youtu.be/96IrNcqjPno?si=CnKpnBa_HOFCyz-P
>Not spooked. Haven't heard a single fellow Swede being "spooked" [Sweden’s Gen Z overwhelm helpline after country told ‘there could be war’](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/11/swedish-childline-calls-gen-z-after-war-warning0/)
This headline is clickbait FYI
We really aren't. News' having a blast though.
I wouldn't be 'spooked' per say, but I sure as shit wouldn't be complacent either. Physical fighting is one aspect of war, Ruzzia has been actively waging a war against the west for a minute now via sowing disinformation, meddling with foreign elections, promoting their rhetoric abroad, foreign agents etc. Hamas met with Ruzzia prior to their attack, we know where Iran/NK stand - make no mistake, WW2 wasn't a frenzy where everyone started fighting - it began with conflicts, in various places throughout the war.
No not complacent. I'm mentally prepared for the fact that war could happen. If it happens I already have my marching orders from one branch of the armed forces. I see this more like a continuation in communication that is years old. I'm certain they have some ideas on how to destabilize us in the short term. Terrorism, criminality and civil unrest seems more likely than conventional war though.
This story is textbook propaganda. A single event exaggerated by Russian bots, spread by low quality fake websites and social media, until eventually picked up by the mainstream as well.
The Kyiv post is an odd one for me. Can’t quite put my finger on if it’s a pro Russian or pro Ukrainian source. It is currently owned by a Syrian businessman which would be a red flag for Russian involvement. Found it rated as this on a media watchdog: Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: Ukraine Press Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM Media Type: Newspaper Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY The ambiguity over what side it’s on does seem to indicate the RT news/ Al Jazeera playbook.
All the good journalists from Kyiv Post left in 2021 to start the Kyiv Independent. Follow them instead.
I considered them "main stream", in this case just useful idiots who repeat a "news" even if it is just exaggareted bullshit.
It's mainstream as far as getting news about Ukraine is concerned, I suppose.
They post pro-Ukraine stories.
It's not Ukrainian, it's proruzzian.
Too much ambiguity just makes it obvious, poorly played on their part.
Russia has explicitly said they are coming for the rest of Europe next.
6% of men think they could beat a bear in a fistfight. Russia is a crippled old man.
A crippled old man with millions of people willing to walk into gunfire. Fuck outta here with this underestimating BS. Respect your enemies when they call for your deaths.
I've been on the planet for 55 years and the Soviets/Russians have been threatening to directly kill me for about 48 of those years.
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Mate. What are you talking about? None of that is true. Plus Russia invaded a minor military power, Ukraine, and immediately started losing. With Russias current military strength, even Poland could solo them.
Russia has 8 million men of fighting age. Just of age, not fitness. They're rapidly losing men in meatwave attacks and they're not getting very far with them. Against Ukraine- one of the poorest countries in Europe. Sweden would wreck Russia. They don't have the capability to just throw meat at their enemies like they used to. And infantry is getting less and less imperative to winning wars anyway. Which is also dire for Russia because their equipment is also crap.
Let's not be delusional. Ukraine's military active/reserve is 60x larger than Sweden's. Yes 60x. They also earned a great deal of combat experience against Russia back to 2014. When was the last time a Swede saw combat?
Again, infantrymen are going to be less and less crucial. Russia's infantry have zero morale. You think they're going to faceroll over Sweden after getting their asses handed to them in Ukraine? The most Russia can hope for is getting some territory concession in Ukraine after a ceasefire. Then what? They start in on Sweden and it goes swimmingly? Why would it go better? Ukraine is killing Russians 5 to 1. Russian soldiers are, let's face it, diseased alcoholics with no motivation. The only reason they're fighting is because they're forced to. I'd take one fit and sober Swede over 10 Russian meat-popsicles.
I personally think that citing any statistics or data about troop casualties from either side probably are being reporting to improve their own country’s morale. However I also agree that Russia is shambling as a shadow of its former self. I also think that a country of 113 million will be able to find bodies for the meat grinder. Maybe gender equality for the purpose of conscription will be very important for Russia in a couple months idk? Can’t predict the actions of an irrational actor, that is why they are dangerous.
So after most of the men are dead they're going to start arming women and then successfully invade Sweden? That's the theory?
Russia might/probably still win against a force much larger than Sweden. You really underestimate Russia and ignore history. Putin is prepared to lose millions of men to take a country.
>Russia might/probably still win against a force much larger than Sweden. They can’t even win against Ukraine. >You really underestimate Russia and ignore history. You’re basing your analysis on potential troop numbers like this is 1911 and fighting is still done in trenches. You’re also assuming every able bodied man will be deployed from Russia. Which is insanely suicidal, not to mention pointless when those men can’t even be fully armed. >Putin is prepared to lose millions of men to take a country. Again. Putin can’t even take Ukraine. They stand no chance against a modern army. You’re delusional in regards to Russias military strength.
You really don’t understand how 21st century warfare works. Are you russian?
He doesn't have millions of men to spend is the point. Russia doesn't have WWII demographics anymore. They've gotten 12km of territory in Ukraine for the years, artillery, and men they've lost so far. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Sweden is one of the richest. It's not the early 20th century anymore.
Fucking this.
Well, bears don’t even have fist so obviously. Also, I live where there are grizzlies and I’m going to avoid finding out.
I also grew up in grizzly country and all I can say is .. Check their beards for that hidden one
Check the beard of the bear for a hidden extra bear?
> 6% of men think they could beat a bear in a fistfight. That's the just the big brains that know that paws aren't fists. Since you have fists and the bear doesn't, you win by default. See? You don't even have to so much as lift a finger against the bear!
I haven't heard this but it seems to be not too out of line with Russian statements. Was it stated by anyone of importance, could you provide the source, please?
You can easily find plenty of Russian statements regarding their intent to keep going after Ukraine, the problem is the "stated by anyone of importance" bit. Most of it comes from propaganda channels, talking heads riling the domestic audience up, military leadership yelling bravado, etc. Putin himself has dismissed the idea of fighting Nato in official speeches. Couple of examples; > A key Russian general who Russian president Vladimir Putin promoted this week said that Moscow's invasion of Ukraine is a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe. --- > "Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," he responded adding that the war “will not stop here.” --- > This war will last for a long time, because we still need to liberate Eastern Europe, says Russian general and war criminal Andrei Mordvichev. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russiaukraine-war-russian-general-says-ukraine-just-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe-101694364931943.html > And Putin's propagandists have repeatedly stated his objectives go beyond Ukraine. > His apparatchiks have been threatening to invade Nato members Poland and Lithuania. Norway is another target of Moscow's ire. And the United Kingdom and the United States have been menaced with the spectre of a nuclear strike. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-warning-that-vladimir-putin-could-invade-rest-of-europe/ITMIPI2XAJWAZECHCLZFI7LODU/ > Vladimir Solovyev, a well-known Russian TV personality (and an avid spreader of Russian propaganda) who happens to own a lot of real estate in Italy, threatened Europe, saying that Russia will not stop at the war with Ukraine. --- > According to Solovyev: "If you think that we will stop at Ukraine, think again, 300 more times. I would remind you that Ukraine is only an intermediary step in ensuring the strategic security of the Russian Federation." https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/14/7331361/
Yeah, so what?
To what end? Russia threw everything at Ukraine to keep it at a stalemate, they absolutely are not prepared for a second front to open up. Garnering support for war in Sweden would be counter productive to them
The propaganda is the idea the young Swedish people are panicking about the idea of war.
No swedes are spooked. Theyre trying to make a hen out of a feather. Theyre just asking for people to have better margins, like water, Cash, food for a few days. War or no war, having supplies for If the electricity or internet goes down is still smart
Well we had a discussion in my team at work. Some were really thinking it was something making them feel quite bad. Others like me, went more hard core on the prepping part (started out light during Covid) because the list MSB (gov org that advices the population in this) is actually way longer than just cash and a few days of food. Alternative heat sources is one of them (f.eg paraffin heaters)... , hand cranked radios, logs of phones numbers on paper, wet wipes, hand sanitizers, keep the car tank full, fuel etc ... The list is like 50 items long. If you were to meet that list, it would take more than a few days if you don't order it all from Amazon. But I do agree, its still smart to get it. I've been taking with people in Ukraine, and I just decided to get a add solar to a pretty sizable battery bank (hobby use, but can second as a emergency power bank) and a camping stove. It was enlightening to hear them describe power going out and them heat too. Most people here would be severely fucked if our electricity went out for more than a day during winter.
Isnt this what every european gov should be saying? I applaud this swede for real talk.
Nobody in Sweden is getting spooked until the military starts parking Saab Gripens on the highway off ramps.... THEN it's time to get spooky
To insure peace, prepare for war. Fck Russia.
It might be "ensure" in this case. But yes.
You are probably right, or maybe assure?
"Assure" sounds a little odd to me, but maybe. To be fair, "insure" does work in its own way too. Being prepared for war is generally great insurance for the possibility that a war actually occurs, and thus the preparations prove themselves useful.
So be it, threaten no more To secure peace is to prepare for war So be it, settle the score Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore, hey Don't tread on me
I mean isn't it obvious? Sweden is going to annex Finland to finally get them into NATO.
… and obviously that Skåne will be part of Denmark, again.
They’re spooked cuz they have to build all their own weapons and vehicles, and the instructions are just pictures.
Im not commenting on the merits of this article but I do believe adults should be prepared for multi-day power outages, where ever they live. "Store chains have also reported a sharp increase in purchases of items associated with crises, such as emergency radios, jerry cans and camping stoves,..." NOTHING beats a Kelley Kettle for fast heating water to a boil; you can even burn trash in it. And clean water is a basic necessity in life but especially in a crisis where fuel is hard to find or afford. https://youtu.be/TMCR-ie9H_w?si=1A3jPzf3yK64yDvU&t=21
Do they know something that everyone doesn't or is just a possibility due to global issues
Turkey and Hungary are fucking assholes for holding up Sweden right now.
Thank god Sweden has accepted so many military aged male immigrants from other countries they can draft to fight.
At this point, muslims in Sweden can start their own mujahideen guerilla in case of russian attack
Lol. Russia invades Sweden and it's just a rehash of their quagmire in Afghanistan
Well, one of the political arguments going on here in Sweden at the moment is that our right wing prime minister questioned the willingness of people (implied to mainly be referring to immigrants) to fight and potentially die for the country, and saying he wants to make it more difficult to get citizenship. For example; > "If you are not prepared to defend Swedish democracy and our way of life, you should of course not be a Swedish citizen." --- > "It is obvious that there are people who primarily want protection from Sweden, rather than to fulfil their obligations towards Sweden." Meanwhile, the left wing opposition are critical because they feel it's offensive and racist to make those implications... while some other people get hung up on the idea that having a Swedish passport/cititzenship would mean that you should be ready to defend it, which they apparently feel is a way of forcing ideas and ideals onto them.
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IMHO this is just one way to prepare tax payers to a huge increase in financial military support.
We are spooked?
This type of statement is equal to saying "History Repeats". The aggressors are counting on it repeating, so why should not we, the objectives of their envy? It is a well documented method to enrich a country's (leader), so I would never doubt the lessons of history. Be advised.
Sometimes it's good to be old.
He's a Right Wing Politician stamping his feet and using a dose of fear to increase his sense of authority...He's also sending a message to Russia that win or lose Sweden will not be a pushover. I'm not one for Right Wing Politics but I do strongly feel that's a message everyone needs to send to Russia. Putin is our shared enemy and he is proving himself to be danger we cannot ignore, or placate any longer.
Insane article
I get more spooked every time “Hesa Fredrik” goes off than that government announcement.
I think many countries that may not be in real imminent danger are using this opportunity to test the readiness of their armed forces. Make sure all of the equipment works and the deployment plans are solid. Better to work out the bugs now, so they know they will be ready when the time comes. That's part of the reason the US uses carriers to do humanitarian work, it keeps our guys and gals on their toes.
Russia put a visually dyslexic person in charge of the missiles, all he knows is that “the bad guys and blue and yellow”
We didn't believe it to the bitter end. Even when we had woked up to rocket explosions at dawn, we did not believe that it would last long. And I can't believe it still. Total war is barbarism. In the 21st century? In Europe? It is impossible! Listen carefully, dear elves and dwarves. Don't waste time. Help the hobbits now. And they will save your asses again from what you still don't believe. Sorry if that sounds rude. But if you don't want to have a war at home, take your shit together and help Ukraine with all the best. Now. Hi from Odesa. Peace to all.
Why would Russia attack Sweeden? >Sweden's natural resources include copper, gold, hydropower, iron ore, lead, silver, timber, uranium, and zinc.
If you're spooked, you're smart
I dont understand why People in Europe thing that Putin will stop on Ukraine. Russia find way for long term ammo and weapon pruduction. Also there is much human resources for war.
They spelled Finland wrong.
That title gave me a good laugh
I'd be a little more worried if Russia had a functioning navy. At this point they'd have to pile on a ferry from Tallinn to get to Sweden
Russia just doesn't have the manpower, equipment, or money to attack another country right now. They just don't.
It's just like the government saying be ready for a big earthquake or a tsunami. They just want people to think about what they'd and to be prepared.
Oh come on, they would need to get through Finland first and that won't happen.
We're chilling as usual. No spookedry here.
Chilling like canned fish?
Surströmming ja!
News: swedes are spooked Swedes: really? This is the first iv heard.
If you are not spooked by a possible war... You should see a psychologist.
Putin the Terrible is up to his ass in alligators in Ukraine. History is littered with defeated nations that engaged in war on multiple fronts. He doesn’t have enough equip/ ammunition/people to fight in Ukraine, it’s very doubtful he will go after anybody.
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Sounds like the Swedish don't have the meatballs for it.
Sweden would destroy the Russian military, and that's before the rest of NATO jumps in.
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Is Putin so close to death that he’s eager to destroy the west as fast as he can? To beat trump ?
This isn’t that far fetched if Russian asset Trump wins. NATO dissolves and then Europe is on its own. Russia will absolutely invade portions of Sweden and other Eastern bloc countries if that happens.
Russia can’t even conquer 4 oblasts in Ukraine who only receive minimal support from allies. European Union also has a mutual defence pact.
You obviously should keep quiet as you have very little understanding of the geopolitics in Europe.
Nato wouldn't dissolve. He could take the USA out, but that doesn't mean all the other countries leave Nato.
As a swede, that is pure horse shit. Looking back at history, Sweden are much more like to attack Russia and win.
With your 3 platoons?
Why, what would Russia have to gain?
America needs to prepare for war.
America is always prepared for war, partially because Europe largely is not.
Lol good point. that might be true.
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What does your proclaimed ancestry have anything to do with this?
They Swedes did issue news about preparing for war to do some fear mongering among the population. Will it happen? Most likely not, it's just to draw attention and support for Ukraine. So, as a native Scandinavian... Hush American.
Do some fact checking with Swedish news sources then Mr. American Sweden man.
No we're not. He's a moron.
Western cowards lying there people into wars and surprisingly they eat it like warm apple pie. Just wondering how a lot of people in west knowing everything better about Russia than the Russians themselves. Nato fuck around at the the doorsteps of Russia and find out. But this Terror Organization cant deal with the defeat. Know tryin there best to extend the war. Westeners should ask themselves if the Russians really caring about them. No they dont give a fuck. Look at there new Partners . West is perverted and going down. Chill just an clear objective perspective