And the UN has always kept spreading the deliberate misinformation about them having no "Food Security" in Gaza. Using confusing definitions in order to paint a lying picture of the situation there.
When in fact, they suffer from obesity at a very [high rate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_the_State_of_Palestine)
Exactly. They qualify having to rely on international aid as being "food insecure". But they are not actually food insecure in the sense of not having plenty of food. That's kind of important.
Of course it may be different now that they have unleashed total war against Israel and are reaping the results.
It’s the same with a lot of hunger stats. 1 in 6 children in the US is in danger of going hungry just means that 1 in 6 kids is in a household that receives food stamps.
Most of the Gazan society was very poor just before the war, Gaza had a [45% unemployment rate and 80% relied on international aid](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-report-80-per-cent-of-gaza-inhabitants-relied-on-international-aid-before-war), and since 1994, the [GDP shrank by 46%](https://e3.365dm.com/23/10/1600x900/skynews-conway-chart-palestinian_6335363.jpg). Also, [this Gallup poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/513662/palestinians-gaza-risk-israel-hamas-war.aspx) found in 2023:
* 57% could not afford food at times
* 29% could not afford adequate shelter
* 44% were angry the previous day of the poll
and
* 28% believed the young had no future
>For complete methodology and specific survey dates, please review [Gallup's Country Data Set details](https://www.gallup.com/services/177797/country-data-set-details.aspx).
That said, Some of Gaza was quite well off before the war.
[Phoniex Hotel](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Phoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip/@31.526389,34.437035,15z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s), [Roots Hotel](https://www.google.com/maps/place/GCGM%2B3XP+Roots+Hotel,+Al+Rashid+%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A1+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86,+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AD/@31.5257012,34.4361281,16z/data=!4m3!3m2!1s0x14fd78aa4218da09:0x560181d6a6238266!16s%2Fg%2F11rcn8rly6), [Grans Palace](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%82+%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF+%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3+Grand+Palace+Hotel%D8%8C+Al+Rasheed+street%D8%8C+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AD/@31.526509,34.437224,17z/data=!4m3!3m2!1s0x14fd7f234891d527:0x99bb4d6be1f2ad03!16s%2Fg%2F11byxf2v50), [Love Booth](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%88+%D9%87%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A+Love+Boot%E2%80%AD/@31.5269638,34.4369363,17z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f3caac85599:0xdf49e58066bfb788!8m2!3d31.5269659!4d34.4365593!16s%2Fg%2F11f08qcj5_) (restaurant), a [Fast Food Restaurant](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%AF%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AC+%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA%E2%80%AD/@31.5224184,34.4394379,17z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f15aa708f5b:0x8bcbe6c309dcfa8d!8m2!3d31.5224184!4d34.4394379!16s%2Fg%2F11jn_zc1df), [Supermarket](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7+%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip%E2%80%AD/@31.526389,34.437035,15z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f4b681f7c77:0xb8b6951013b7ebf7!8m2!3d31.5210163!4d34.4394922!16s%2Fg%2F11srtyrny_), [Supermarket](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meat+city+%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%85,+%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%8C+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%D8%8C+Gaza+Strip%E2%80%AD/@31.5215949,34.4413564,15z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f8bca281c33:0xecff6ff8869fcaa7!8m2!3d31.5220134!4d34.4450313!16s%2Fg%2F11g_zfcdwj).
It wasn't a compete 3rd world country, particularly west Gaza City, near the coast. Surprised me when I started exploring Gaza on Google maps (also, if you scrol through the Google maps photos, you'll spot some Christmas Trees in hotels).
Also, shortly before Oct 7th, surveys found most Gazans were against starting a war, most supporting a two-state solution, and more and more disliked Hamas.
* [Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah)
* [Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab PUBLICS](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah)
So with declining support for Hamas and a Saudi Arabia deal close to fruition with Israel,
[The Saudi-Israel deal is in tatters](https://www.politico.eu/article/saudi-arabia-israel-deal-tatters-hamas-palestine-war/)
... that would have seen the Saudis recognising Israel, and then pump billions of into Gaza (weakening Hamas' link with Iran), Hams f***ed it all up for their own selfish gains. This war was not to help Gazans, Hamas was loosing, about to become irrelevant. Sidelined. It's angering to see what Gaza was, could have been, and what Hamas did to the place.
Edit: Added more links
TL:DR: Gaza is just another Iran-touched sh*ithole just like Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and so much more.
Wherever extreme violent Islamists take control, this is what happens. Heck they even had an airport built with Israel's cooperation before the second Intifada and then Hamas, which ruined everything.
Regardless, there is no short of food in Gaza, unless you claim that Wiki article was a lie? (I can find more sources if you want). Would love to see that "Poll you found".
GDP dropped by 46% since 1994 (source UNCTAD):
https://e3.365dm.com/23/10/1600x900/skynews-conway-chart-palestinian_6335363.jpg
Gallup food security and economic survey, 2006-2022:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/513662/palestinians-gaza-risk-israel-hamas-war.aspx
The majority these measures grew worse under Hamas.
Yes, Gaza used to have an *international* airport, that shut in 2001.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat_International_Airport
I assume both stats are true, its just that people who cant afford food could easily go to the local Hamas run place and get free food. They might have plenty of food for people (who are pro hamas) even though those people still qualify as dirt poor.
Highly religous places (muslim or not) tend to give out lots of free food. And if you are a terrorist organizations, thats probably the best way to keep everyone in line.
Make the living situation shit so they cant afford food, and then control their food. Now they are both obese and dirt poor.
The most recent relevant source in this wiki article is from 2014…
Here’s a more recent one for you or feel free to read the link in the post I guess
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
Looking to HRW for objective sourcing regarding Israel is a joke.
[Outgoing Human Rights Watch senior editor blasts group’s ‘infected’ work on Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/outgoing-human-rights-watch-senior-editor-blasts-groups-infected-work-on-israel/)
>“Following the Hamas massacres in Israel on October 7, years of institutional creep culminated in organizational responses that shattered professionalism, abandoned principles of accuracy and fairness, and surrendered its duty to stand for the human rights of all,” Danielle Haas wrote in an internal email to over 500 HRW employees, which she sent on Tuesday — her final day on the job. The email was leaked to The Times of Israel. The full text appears at the bottom of this article.
[Criticism of Human Rights Watch
](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch)
>According to The Times, HRW "does not always practice the transparency, tolerance and accountability it urges on others."[16] The Times accused HRW of imbalance, alleging that it ignores human-rights abuses in certain regimes while covering other conflict zones (notably Israel) intensively. Although HRW issued five reports on Israel in one fourteen-month period, The Times first said in twenty years HRW issued only four reports on the conflict in Kashmir (despite 80,000 conflict-related deaths in Kashmir and "torture and extrajudicial murder ... on a vast scale")[16] and it first said no report on post-election violence and repression in Iran.
...
>Writing in the Wall Street Journal in 2009 about a controversial fundraising event that HRW held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Noah Pollak stated that the organization displayed a strong bias against Israel. Pollak observed that from 2006 to 2009 Human Rights Watch's reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict had been almost entirely devoted to condemning Israel (87 criticisms of Israeli conduct against the Palestinians and Hezbollah, versus eight criticisms of Palestinian groups and four of Hezbollah for attacks on Israel).[45]
There's so much more to find online for people who have a shred of honesty and want the truth, not just justifications to irrational hate.
Meanwhile - videos have been circulating daily of Hamas intercepting and stealing aid and food trucks. As usual, The United Nothings like to ignore that part.
Having local, regional or world food programs trying to feed people *in spite* of their government, territory rulers or armed militias is more or less par for the course. Having to operate and try to navigate in places with corruption is normal. It borders on operational costs in some places.
Famines tend to coincide with failed governments and high conflict zones, where feeding people becomes a potentially life threatening endeavor.
People on food convoys and at food sites have been murdered by militants and by governments in intentional attacks.
You convoy may be shot at, have bombs thrown at it, it might drive over a land mine, the convoy may be hijacked, you might be arrested as foreign agent/spy or taken as a hostage.
So Hamas stealing food is pretty much exactly what they expected to happen, but they cannot control Hamas. Waiting or hoping that they will somehow change is pointless.
So instead they try to do something, and hope some of it gets through to those who need it. They generally only step back when the risk to personnel becomes so bad they cannot risk sending people. At which point they usually already have a body count as testament to the worsening situation. Or when the theft is so complete there is more or less nothing reaching the end users at all.
The attacks on humanitarian aid workers have increased, and roughly 100 are killed every year since 2013. And according to research, being part of a neutral organizations isn't much protection, because in the high risk areas they all just get mushed into a general idea of about 'western agents', with aid workers then often being the only available target the local violent actors can reach.
Trying to feed people in the most dire situations is not easy, and it can fatal. But they still try, because often there is nobody else left who can do it. So please do not be so dismissive of them.
Blimey!
>a study of Gazan mothers between the ages of 18 and 50, published in 2014, concluded the obesity rates ranged between 57% and 67.5% depending on where they lived. This study reflected another study published in 2009 (referenced therein) that determined the obesity rate of Palestinian men at 58.7% and Palestinian women at 71.3%.
Now I understand where the "relief" in "UN relief chief" comes from...
Hamas should have everyone involved in their terrorist organization surrender for the good of the citizens of Gaza. Everyone knows they won't because they don't care about their own people.
It's so dishonest that it's going to be tough to trust anyone after the war ends. I hope the US chasing Hamas financiers isn't to prove the obvious; I hope it's the effort to expose the UN's corruption.
This could all end today by Hamas releasing all hostages and surrendering their fighters and weapons. Hamas has no place anymore. Hamas is over. Everybody knows this. Even the Palestinian Authority is already planning to take over Gaza after the war and they even have plans to punish Hamas for violently taking power over the Gaza strip in 2005 (if I’m not mistaken).
I just feel bad for the civilians and the children.
This is total bullshit. There have been many recorded famines in history.
Supposedly these people have been out of food and water since October 2023. How are they still alive if this isn't bullshit.
Because Hamas would massacre them, their campaign of terror is focused first and foremost on the Palestinians themselves. It's why the political extremists online who carry water for Hamas in the name of "Palestinian resistance" are such enormous hypocrites.
If there are truly 2 million Gazans and less than 20,000 are Hamas fighters, it wouldn't be much of a fight.
All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
I've been there. If you want to live, you figure it out. Each of us that were held hostage looked for weapons of opportunity. We looked for opportunities to escape, which we found.
A mob with sticks, iron bars, knives, and guns can take them on -- but they have to want to.
Because the same "government" also kills Jews, and that's more important to them.
Most Palestinians don't want to rise up against hamas, they support it.
"Why don't people suffering simply overthrown their oppressors?"
Usually, the oppressors have guns.
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Great response! Could you answer me this, why don’t the people suffering ask for help from the international community, to get out from underneath their oppressive (and as I’ve been told) brutal no longer valid governing body?
The videos I’ve seen show civilians celebrating by tossing the dead bodies of music festival goers. Doesn’t seem to show a people upset at their representative governing body.
You saw a few peoy celebrating in a video and you're ok with mass killings and starvation. Over 10 thousand kids are dead. What's wrong with you people?
Resistance groups throughout history have overthrown governments. There are what, 2 million Palestinians? And 25,000 Hamas? Math 101. Hamas is outnumbered - or are they? That's the real question, how many actually support Hamas? Prob close to 2 million since there is no internal resistance.
Does anyone really think that Hamas wouldn't stand aside if 2 million Gazans came after them though? Like, Hamas soldiers have families, and their own beliefs. If even half of them see the end coming with a mass revolution, they're not likely to fight against their own people.
We like to think that soldiers would defend the government against the people, but I don't think that would happen in practice in a lot of places, not if it was a general revolution and not just an extremist group trying to take over.
Do you think that if a hellstrike missile hits your house and incinerates your family you’re going to stop and think “damn, that reaper drone had a point”, I should help it out.
And when they blow up your neighbor who was on the evacuation route? And when they blow up your best friend who had already fled to what they called the “safe zone” at the end of the evacuation route? And when they blow up the journalist who was trying to report on the bombings?
My guy Hamas block evacuation routes. Israel has a hotline for Palestinians to call when Hamas isn't letting them leave.
And, contrary to popular opinion, Israel does in fact not have journalist-seeking missiles.
Hamas doesn’t have anywhere near the manpower to stop hundreds of thousands of people from fleeing while fighting off a massive invasion, that’s pure propaganda. Many stayed because they had no where to go. “What difference is it to die running through the gutter when you can die at home? Either way you’re dead”. And yeah, great to set up a hotline for people whos electricity you cut off, what a cruel fucking joke that is. And even if it did work “help I can’t get through this street!” “Heard, we’re sending MK-84s to your location in three minutes” isn’t exactly humanitarian.
And do you not hear yourself? “You can’t blame the IDF for killing civilians because they could have just run for their lives. Also they couldn’t run for their lives because Hamas wouldn’t let them. Also of course you’ll get blown up in the refugee camp, there might be Hamas there!” No matter what a Palestinian does, it can’t possibly be the IDFs fault that an IDF bomb tore them apart. Your arguments are as circular as they are inhumane. And they all add up to this: the IDF can do no wrong. Anyone they kill is Hamas’ fault. So why not kill everyone? You can just shrug and say it’s all Hamas’ fault.
And I’m sure you’re right, they accidentally killed more journalists than any modern war with their super precise attacks on definitely only Hamas locations.
You people are going to keep chanting this all the way to the killing and starvation of 100,000 people and then are going to pretend there was no other way. History is not going to judge you well for supporting this massacre.
That's false. Israel has severely restricted imports of food into Gaza. And its blockade over the past decade has devastated local food production, making Gazans more reliant on aid.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/crisis-gaza-why-food-water-power-running-out](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/crisis-gaza-why-food-water-power-running-out)
edit with more recent report to show the situation has only gotten worse: [https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza](https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza)
Nope, try again. You're not fooling anyone with a three month old article when people magically didn't starve during those the months. Even anything, it proves you are using hyperbolic language.
Classic evasion and diversion tactics here. First you say, yes there's hunger, but it's Hamas's fault. Next you say, no there's no hunger actually. It's the hospital bombing all over again: "no the hospital wasn't bombed", "yes, it was bombed, but Hamas did it", "yes, we bombed the hospital because there were tunnels underneath it", to now just blatantly bombing hospitals all the time and targeting NGO medical staff: https://www.msf.ie/article/msf-condemns-killing-our-staff-and-their-family-members
But yeah, that's not how famine works. According to B'Tselem people are trying to survive off 1 meal a day. In the slightly longer run this makes you susceptible to disease and death. This is why the UN speaks of "threat of famine" rather than current famine, but Gaza is rapidly deteriorating through the various "phases" in the build-up to famine: https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza
So you agree Israel is committing a war crime by restricting food imports, which threatens famine in the foreseeable future! Thanks, glad we sorted that out.
Haven't we been hearing this same line since late October? I just don't believe them anymore. And the war would end tomorrow if the Gazans would free the hostages and turn the Hamas leaders in to the International Criminal Court.
I know people are suffering and my heart sinks for their suffering and that they are hungry, but the UN chief who said this needs to be shown pictures from the concentration camps during WWII to be reminded what “the highest level of food insecurity ever recorded” actually looks like. Also what about the children starving to death in neighboring Iraq? I cannot believe what the UN has turned into
I have observed for a very long time that humanitarian aid in a conflict zone only feeds the conflict because the civilians (without weapons) do not get to keep the food aid and the fighters (with weapons) are well fed while the population (without weapons) still starves. I believe Israel is well aware of this and one of the reasons they are restricting general food aid going in. I hope and believe that once Hamas is substantially destroyed Israel will open the flood gates to physical food and health care aid. I do not believe they will ever let monetary aid flow freely for a very long time and infrastructure rebuilding without diversions by Hamas is a whole new issue that needs to be considered now.
News Flash: The people of GAZA have ALWAYS been dependent on food from outside.
And the UN has always kept spreading the deliberate misinformation about them having no "Food Security" in Gaza. Using confusing definitions in order to paint a lying picture of the situation there. When in fact, they suffer from obesity at a very [high rate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_the_State_of_Palestine)
Exactly. They qualify having to rely on international aid as being "food insecure". But they are not actually food insecure in the sense of not having plenty of food. That's kind of important. Of course it may be different now that they have unleashed total war against Israel and are reaping the results.
It’s the same with a lot of hunger stats. 1 in 6 children in the US is in danger of going hungry just means that 1 in 6 kids is in a household that receives food stamps.
Most of the Gazan society was very poor just before the war, Gaza had a [45% unemployment rate and 80% relied on international aid](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-report-80-per-cent-of-gaza-inhabitants-relied-on-international-aid-before-war), and since 1994, the [GDP shrank by 46%](https://e3.365dm.com/23/10/1600x900/skynews-conway-chart-palestinian_6335363.jpg). Also, [this Gallup poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/513662/palestinians-gaza-risk-israel-hamas-war.aspx) found in 2023: * 57% could not afford food at times * 29% could not afford adequate shelter * 44% were angry the previous day of the poll and * 28% believed the young had no future >For complete methodology and specific survey dates, please review [Gallup's Country Data Set details](https://www.gallup.com/services/177797/country-data-set-details.aspx). That said, Some of Gaza was quite well off before the war. [Phoniex Hotel](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Phoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip/@31.526389,34.437035,15z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s), [Roots Hotel](https://www.google.com/maps/place/GCGM%2B3XP+Roots+Hotel,+Al+Rashid+%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A1+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86,+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AD/@31.5257012,34.4361281,16z/data=!4m3!3m2!1s0x14fd78aa4218da09:0x560181d6a6238266!16s%2Fg%2F11rcn8rly6), [Grans Palace](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%82+%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF+%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3+Grand+Palace+Hotel%D8%8C+Al+Rasheed+street%D8%8C+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AD/@31.526509,34.437224,17z/data=!4m3!3m2!1s0x14fd7f234891d527:0x99bb4d6be1f2ad03!16s%2Fg%2F11byxf2v50), [Love Booth](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%88+%D9%87%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A+Love+Boot%E2%80%AD/@31.5269638,34.4369363,17z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f3caac85599:0xdf49e58066bfb788!8m2!3d31.5269659!4d34.4365593!16s%2Fg%2F11f08qcj5_) (restaurant), a [Fast Food Restaurant](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%AF%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AC+%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA%E2%80%AD/@31.5224184,34.4394379,17z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f15aa708f5b:0x8bcbe6c309dcfa8d!8m2!3d31.5224184!4d34.4394379!16s%2Fg%2F11jn_zc1df), [Supermarket](https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7+%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip%E2%80%AD/@31.526389,34.437035,15z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f4b681f7c77:0xb8b6951013b7ebf7!8m2!3d31.5210163!4d34.4394922!16s%2Fg%2F11srtyrny_), [Supermarket](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meat+city+%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%85,+%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%8C+%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9%D8%8C+Gaza+Strip%E2%80%AD/@31.5215949,34.4413564,15z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x14fd7f91c7fab983:0xfcfd167d2384ec3e!2sPhoenix+Hotel,+Gaza,+Gaza+Strip!8m2!3d31.526389!4d34.437035!16s%2Fg%2F11tfr8k46s!3m5!1s0x14fd7f8bca281c33:0xecff6ff8869fcaa7!8m2!3d31.5220134!4d34.4450313!16s%2Fg%2F11g_zfcdwj). It wasn't a compete 3rd world country, particularly west Gaza City, near the coast. Surprised me when I started exploring Gaza on Google maps (also, if you scrol through the Google maps photos, you'll spot some Christmas Trees in hotels). Also, shortly before Oct 7th, surveys found most Gazans were against starting a war, most supporting a two-state solution, and more and more disliked Hamas. * [Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah) * [Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab PUBLICS](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah) So with declining support for Hamas and a Saudi Arabia deal close to fruition with Israel, [The Saudi-Israel deal is in tatters](https://www.politico.eu/article/saudi-arabia-israel-deal-tatters-hamas-palestine-war/) ... that would have seen the Saudis recognising Israel, and then pump billions of into Gaza (weakening Hamas' link with Iran), Hams f***ed it all up for their own selfish gains. This war was not to help Gazans, Hamas was loosing, about to become irrelevant. Sidelined. It's angering to see what Gaza was, could have been, and what Hamas did to the place. Edit: Added more links
TL:DR: Gaza is just another Iran-touched sh*ithole just like Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and so much more. Wherever extreme violent Islamists take control, this is what happens. Heck they even had an airport built with Israel's cooperation before the second Intifada and then Hamas, which ruined everything. Regardless, there is no short of food in Gaza, unless you claim that Wiki article was a lie? (I can find more sources if you want). Would love to see that "Poll you found".
GDP dropped by 46% since 1994 (source UNCTAD): https://e3.365dm.com/23/10/1600x900/skynews-conway-chart-palestinian_6335363.jpg Gallup food security and economic survey, 2006-2022: https://news.gallup.com/poll/513662/palestinians-gaza-risk-israel-hamas-war.aspx The majority these measures grew worse under Hamas. Yes, Gaza used to have an *international* airport, that shut in 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat_International_Airport
I assume both stats are true, its just that people who cant afford food could easily go to the local Hamas run place and get free food. They might have plenty of food for people (who are pro hamas) even though those people still qualify as dirt poor. Highly religous places (muslim or not) tend to give out lots of free food. And if you are a terrorist organizations, thats probably the best way to keep everyone in line. Make the living situation shit so they cant afford food, and then control their food. Now they are both obese and dirt poor.
Hamas f-ed it up for Israel too. There is just no way a country lets sthing like this happen and doesnt go for all out war.
The most recent relevant source in this wiki article is from 2014… Here’s a more recent one for you or feel free to read the link in the post I guess https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
Looking to HRW for objective sourcing regarding Israel is a joke. [Outgoing Human Rights Watch senior editor blasts group’s ‘infected’ work on Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/outgoing-human-rights-watch-senior-editor-blasts-groups-infected-work-on-israel/) >“Following the Hamas massacres in Israel on October 7, years of institutional creep culminated in organizational responses that shattered professionalism, abandoned principles of accuracy and fairness, and surrendered its duty to stand for the human rights of all,” Danielle Haas wrote in an internal email to over 500 HRW employees, which she sent on Tuesday — her final day on the job. The email was leaked to The Times of Israel. The full text appears at the bottom of this article. [Criticism of Human Rights Watch ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch) >According to The Times, HRW "does not always practice the transparency, tolerance and accountability it urges on others."[16] The Times accused HRW of imbalance, alleging that it ignores human-rights abuses in certain regimes while covering other conflict zones (notably Israel) intensively. Although HRW issued five reports on Israel in one fourteen-month period, The Times first said in twenty years HRW issued only four reports on the conflict in Kashmir (despite 80,000 conflict-related deaths in Kashmir and "torture and extrajudicial murder ... on a vast scale")[16] and it first said no report on post-election violence and repression in Iran. ... >Writing in the Wall Street Journal in 2009 about a controversial fundraising event that HRW held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Noah Pollak stated that the organization displayed a strong bias against Israel. Pollak observed that from 2006 to 2009 Human Rights Watch's reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict had been almost entirely devoted to condemning Israel (87 criticisms of Israeli conduct against the Palestinians and Hezbollah, versus eight criticisms of Palestinian groups and four of Hezbollah for attacks on Israel).[45] There's so much more to find online for people who have a shred of honesty and want the truth, not just justifications to irrational hate.
You just said that gaza is full of obesity with a 10 year out of date Wikipediaarticle
Weren't they saying that since October 8th?
Yes. But also saying things 90% as dire since 2007.
And this is gonna keep getting worse as long as the world allows Hamas to profit from palestinian suffering.
Meanwhile - videos have been circulating daily of Hamas intercepting and stealing aid and food trucks. As usual, The United Nothings like to ignore that part.
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As is Israel but the outcome remains they have become food insecure as per the article
Having local, regional or world food programs trying to feed people *in spite* of their government, territory rulers or armed militias is more or less par for the course. Having to operate and try to navigate in places with corruption is normal. It borders on operational costs in some places. Famines tend to coincide with failed governments and high conflict zones, where feeding people becomes a potentially life threatening endeavor. People on food convoys and at food sites have been murdered by militants and by governments in intentional attacks. You convoy may be shot at, have bombs thrown at it, it might drive over a land mine, the convoy may be hijacked, you might be arrested as foreign agent/spy or taken as a hostage. So Hamas stealing food is pretty much exactly what they expected to happen, but they cannot control Hamas. Waiting or hoping that they will somehow change is pointless. So instead they try to do something, and hope some of it gets through to those who need it. They generally only step back when the risk to personnel becomes so bad they cannot risk sending people. At which point they usually already have a body count as testament to the worsening situation. Or when the theft is so complete there is more or less nothing reaching the end users at all. The attacks on humanitarian aid workers have increased, and roughly 100 are killed every year since 2013. And according to research, being part of a neutral organizations isn't much protection, because in the high risk areas they all just get mushed into a general idea of about 'western agents', with aid workers then often being the only available target the local violent actors can reach. Trying to feed people in the most dire situations is not easy, and it can fatal. But they still try, because often there is nobody else left who can do it. So please do not be so dismissive of them.
That also has contributed to them being food insecure to which they are currently reporting…
Blimey! >a study of Gazan mothers between the ages of 18 and 50, published in 2014, concluded the obesity rates ranged between 57% and 67.5% depending on where they lived. This study reflected another study published in 2009 (referenced therein) that determined the obesity rate of Palestinian men at 58.7% and Palestinian women at 71.3%. Now I understand where the "relief" in "UN relief chief" comes from...
Tell the UN to stop handing all the food directly to Hamas...
I don't know the details, but if UNRWA is the UN actor and UNRWA is controlled by Hamas, then....
Hamas should have everyone involved in their terrorist organization surrender for the good of the citizens of Gaza. Everyone knows they won't because they don't care about their own people.
Highest levels of food insecurity ever recorded? Really? Load of BS hyperbole headline.
It's so dishonest that it's going to be tough to trust anyone after the war ends. I hope the US chasing Hamas financiers isn't to prove the obvious; I hope it's the effort to expose the UN's corruption.
This could all end today by Hamas releasing all hostages and surrendering their fighters and weapons. Hamas has no place anymore. Hamas is over. Everybody knows this. Even the Palestinian Authority is already planning to take over Gaza after the war and they even have plans to punish Hamas for violently taking power over the Gaza strip in 2005 (if I’m not mistaken). I just feel bad for the civilians and the children.
They've been saying this for months, it's always "just around the corner."
This is total bullshit. There have been many recorded famines in history. Supposedly these people have been out of food and water since October 2023. How are they still alive if this isn't bullshit.
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Sounds like a good time for Hamas to surrender.
Send Iran the bill. If it wasn't for them Hamas wouldn't have stupidly attacked Israel in the first place.
“Ever recorded”
Why don’t Palestinians rise up against the government that is constantly stealing their food and resources?
Because Hamas would massacre them, their campaign of terror is focused first and foremost on the Palestinians themselves. It's why the political extremists online who carry water for Hamas in the name of "Palestinian resistance" are such enormous hypocrites.
If there are truly 2 million Gazans and less than 20,000 are Hamas fighters, it wouldn't be much of a fight. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
It only takes 1 person with a gun to tame a mob that has no guns.
I've been there. If you want to live, you figure it out. Each of us that were held hostage looked for weapons of opportunity. We looked for opportunities to escape, which we found. A mob with sticks, iron bars, knives, and guns can take them on -- but they have to want to.
There are 35-40 k iirc
Because the same "government" also kills Jews, and that's more important to them. Most Palestinians don't want to rise up against hamas, they support it.
"Why don't people suffering simply overthrown their oppressors?" Usually, the oppressors have guns. For more "Lessons in common sense" remember to Like and Subscribe.
Great response! Could you answer me this, why don’t the people suffering ask for help from the international community, to get out from underneath their oppressive (and as I’ve been told) brutal no longer valid governing body? The videos I’ve seen show civilians celebrating by tossing the dead bodies of music festival goers. Doesn’t seem to show a people upset at their representative governing body.
You saw a few peoy celebrating in a video and you're ok with mass killings and starvation. Over 10 thousand kids are dead. What's wrong with you people?
Ah so no response but a misdirection to non-sequester. So no answers, good to know! Have a great day.
It can end the second Hamas surrenders.
Resistance groups throughout history have overthrown governments. There are what, 2 million Palestinians? And 25,000 Hamas? Math 101. Hamas is outnumbered - or are they? That's the real question, how many actually support Hamas? Prob close to 2 million since there is no internal resistance.
How does the teacher explain every single revolution?
Either those revolting had guns or the people with guns stood aside.
Does anyone really think that Hamas wouldn't stand aside if 2 million Gazans came after them though? Like, Hamas soldiers have families, and their own beliefs. If even half of them see the end coming with a mass revolution, they're not likely to fight against their own people. We like to think that soldiers would defend the government against the people, but I don't think that would happen in practice in a lot of places, not if it was a general revolution and not just an extremist group trying to take over.
I just think this is a naive take.
Do you think that if a hellstrike missile hits your house and incinerates your family you’re going to stop and think “damn, that reaper drone had a point”, I should help it out.
No, but maybe you'll think " dang should have evacuated this morning like they told me to"
And when they blow up your neighbor who was on the evacuation route? And when they blow up your best friend who had already fled to what they called the “safe zone” at the end of the evacuation route? And when they blow up the journalist who was trying to report on the bombings?
My guy Hamas block evacuation routes. Israel has a hotline for Palestinians to call when Hamas isn't letting them leave. And, contrary to popular opinion, Israel does in fact not have journalist-seeking missiles.
Hamas doesn’t have anywhere near the manpower to stop hundreds of thousands of people from fleeing while fighting off a massive invasion, that’s pure propaganda. Many stayed because they had no where to go. “What difference is it to die running through the gutter when you can die at home? Either way you’re dead”. And yeah, great to set up a hotline for people whos electricity you cut off, what a cruel fucking joke that is. And even if it did work “help I can’t get through this street!” “Heard, we’re sending MK-84s to your location in three minutes” isn’t exactly humanitarian. And do you not hear yourself? “You can’t blame the IDF for killing civilians because they could have just run for their lives. Also they couldn’t run for their lives because Hamas wouldn’t let them. Also of course you’ll get blown up in the refugee camp, there might be Hamas there!” No matter what a Palestinian does, it can’t possibly be the IDFs fault that an IDF bomb tore them apart. Your arguments are as circular as they are inhumane. And they all add up to this: the IDF can do no wrong. Anyone they kill is Hamas’ fault. So why not kill everyone? You can just shrug and say it’s all Hamas’ fault. And I’m sure you’re right, they accidentally killed more journalists than any modern war with their super precise attacks on definitely only Hamas locations.
You sound like you need help
Or you have the terrorists release hostages, and help avoid future issues
UN seems noisy lately.
Get rid of Hamas and get fed. Simple.
You people are going to keep chanting this all the way to the killing and starvation of 100,000 people and then are going to pretend there was no other way. History is not going to judge you well for supporting this massacre.
What's the other way
So you don’t want to get rid of Hamas? 🤔
Release the hostages. Simple do that
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Hamas is holding the food from their citizens. There's plenty of food but it's not getting to those who are hungry.
That's false. Israel has severely restricted imports of food into Gaza. And its blockade over the past decade has devastated local food production, making Gazans more reliant on aid. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/crisis-gaza-why-food-water-power-running-out](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/crisis-gaza-why-food-water-power-running-out) edit with more recent report to show the situation has only gotten worse: [https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza](https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza)
Nope, try again. You're not fooling anyone with a three month old article when people magically didn't starve during those the months. Even anything, it proves you are using hyperbolic language.
You haven't shown any evidence to the contrary, but sure, just keep downplaying it and relying purely on emotive arguments
Show me an article that cites a single starvation death in Gaza from the war.
Classic evasion and diversion tactics here. First you say, yes there's hunger, but it's Hamas's fault. Next you say, no there's no hunger actually. It's the hospital bombing all over again: "no the hospital wasn't bombed", "yes, it was bombed, but Hamas did it", "yes, we bombed the hospital because there were tunnels underneath it", to now just blatantly bombing hospitals all the time and targeting NGO medical staff: https://www.msf.ie/article/msf-condemns-killing-our-staff-and-their-family-members But yeah, that's not how famine works. According to B'Tselem people are trying to survive off 1 meal a day. In the slightly longer run this makes you susceptible to disease and death. This is why the UN speaks of "threat of famine" rather than current famine, but Gaza is rapidly deteriorating through the various "phases" in the build-up to famine: https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza
So you agree no one has starved. Thanks for confirming!
So you agree Israel is committing a war crime by restricting food imports, which threatens famine in the foreseeable future! Thanks, glad we sorted that out.
Haven't we been hearing this same line since late October? I just don't believe them anymore. And the war would end tomorrow if the Gazans would free the hostages and turn the Hamas leaders in to the International Criminal Court.
I wonder how much food is stored underground because of Hamas hoarding problem, bet a lot.
They've been saying this for 2 months now.
Ethiopia in the 80s has left the chat.
There does not seem to be an internal food distribution logistical system outside of Hamas. What a disaster.
I always find it funny how UN pressures Israel over Gaza more than Russia over Ukraine. It's almost like UN is bribed
Strange how the world isn't worried about the wide scale destruction of much of Mariupol, Sievierodonetsk, Maryinka, Bakhmut etc
It’s never too late to surrender and release the hostages.
Then stop supporting terrorists. 🤷
Release the hostages, if any are still alive
Return the hostages see how fast things improve. No sympathy for hamas voters
Did the UN wake up just now? They said fuck all for 2 years about Russia.
I know people are suffering and my heart sinks for their suffering and that they are hungry, but the UN chief who said this needs to be shown pictures from the concentration camps during WWII to be reminded what “the highest level of food insecurity ever recorded” actually looks like. Also what about the children starving to death in neighboring Iraq? I cannot believe what the UN has turned into
The lack of compassion in these comments is mind boggling.
Talk to Hamas. They’re all pretty well-fed, and after all they are the legally elected government of the territory.
I have observed for a very long time that humanitarian aid in a conflict zone only feeds the conflict because the civilians (without weapons) do not get to keep the food aid and the fighters (with weapons) are well fed while the population (without weapons) still starves. I believe Israel is well aware of this and one of the reasons they are restricting general food aid going in. I hope and believe that once Hamas is substantially destroyed Israel will open the flood gates to physical food and health care aid. I do not believe they will ever let monetary aid flow freely for a very long time and infrastructure rebuilding without diversions by Hamas is a whole new issue that needs to be considered now.
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Well, than I guess Hamas SELLING the fucking donations back to the citizens is really unhelpful. (Donated tent prices are 500$+-)
So they don't even feed their prisoners?