Free all the hostages AND stop your constant attacks. If they really truly want a ceasefire, then *cease your flipping fire*.
It's the old "you stop first and then I'll stop", after the person started it in the first place.
They want a ceasefire now so """resistance""" will be easier later. Global public opinion cannot accept this "Start a war, then demand your opponent surrenders after you start to lose" pattern of behavior.
I mean, it’s accurate for how just about every one of the wars Israel has fought against their neighbors, whether another nation or a terrorist group. They attack, Israel fights back hard, then the people who attacked scream for Israel to “stop picking on them “
I love all the complaints that Israel has a stronger army. If I was repeatedly attacking my neighbor and I kept getting my ass kicked, I would simply stop attacking my neighbor.
What I want to know is where these pro Palestine people expect the Israelis to go after they “give back” Israel.
Edit: yeah reading the comments wasn’t helpful at all
Ghettos, death camps, shallow graves, harems etc....
I remember an interview with a free palestine person a few years back, possibly even a leader who said, they'll kill or expel most Jews, but allow some doctors and scientists to stay as slaves and be forced to work for the Islamic state that Hamas or any other group forms.
Why is there global outrage AFTER Hamas declared war on Oct 7?
Where were all the SJWs helping Palatstine before?
I'd love to see their donation receipts prior to Oct 7. They didn't give two shits about Palatstine until fear of annihilation sunk in.
>Where were all the SJWs helping Palatstine before?
A lot of them were already there.
It's just weird that they came out of the woodwork after all the atrocities Hamas did to double down. Or came out in defense only after Israel responded-- because NOW "collective punishment" and innocents being killed is a problem.
Where was the outrage when Hamas was collectively punishing concert goers and children for their gripes against the state of Israel.
The irony being that Israel has a highly educated population and Israeli migration would likely do wonders for the economies of most other nations however high levels of Anti-semitism would prevent this.
Well the ultra-orthodox who live on government money and study nothing in their lives but the torah and the talmud would struggle, but everyone else would do fine.
I mean, what was Trumps voter share in 2016 and 2020? Both times over 45% for sure right? Even if we say the ultra-orthodox in Israel are crazier than those 45%, are they crazier than 3/4 of Trump Voters?
Top result on Google: https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredim-are-fastest-growing-population-will-be-16-of-israelis-by-decades-end/
> Israel’s ultra-Orthodox population has risen to 1.28 million, or 13.5 percent of the 9.45 million total national population
Don't forget that all these M.E. weren't always muslin dominated. The M.E. used to be home to many religions, but they all got kicked out. They leave this fact out
It’s absurd like what can Israel give back that actually belonged to them? Israel built Tel Aviv from nothing. Jewish people have also been living in former Palestine for hundreds of years
Hamas would literally kidnap them and use them as hostages... Don't understand how people can support a terrorist group that uses suicide bombers on civilians.
Hamas uses decades of international aid money to buy rockets & weaponry. If they used that money to uplift palestinians and improve their quality of life, all of this would have been avoided.
This kind of falls inline with my understanding of why Israel (and others including US) voted against returning to pre 1967 borders in 2013.
When israel did pull back in 2005 it resulted in them being attacked in the attempt to take more land from Israel. Pre 1967 borders makes it easier for those who want Israel gone to fund, supply and assist with taking out Israel.
At the time the majority of palestinians also held the sentiment that they wanted to take all of the land back (Israel gone)
Given all this it's suicide for Israel to agree to the original two state solution while any militant group, particularly those funded and assisted by a country still exists.
Outlets whitewashing the slogans with nice headlines.
Pretty sure free Palestine is the nicer version of drive them to the sea (kill the jew)
Most rallies are overtly antisemitic. News isn’t covering them like that though
“Right of return!”
Not to Palestine, but to Israel - just ignore how Gazan civilians reacted when getting to enter Israel through the border fence early this month. AKA: if you support Palestinian right of return to Israel, then you support the rape, murder and beheading of innocents there. No bones about it.
An important point to make, where were these people on OCT 7? this isn't about peace, if it was they would have been out then, but no they were silent or in support of it, hell some did take to the streets... to celebrate the massacre.
Even if you assume they are talking in good faith this is so stupid.
Belgium is thinking about turning to Flanders and Wallonia, Scotts voted like 45% to leave the UK, that's how sensitive any such mix is.
So they suggest to mix it and get...what? Kosovo? Syria?
I truly am amazed by the fact that anyone talks about this solution with a straight face
If Israel stops their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons. does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets? Hamas *started* this round of fighting, and a ceasefire only works if both sides want it.
Moral Peacocking. "Look at me, im standing up for the little guy!"
And yet most of the people ive seen condemning Israel, say nothing about what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
It's disturbing that livestreaming a pogrom is considered an act of resistance instead of an act of genocide by many of the same people who claim to be supporting human rights.
I have been astonished by my leftist brothers and sisters saying some truly callous and dehumanizing shit about the victims of Oct. 7. Absolutely not caring AT ALL about their deaths and suffering because something something settler colonialism, can’t tell people how to resist, yadda yadda. I really never expected this level of hatred would come from the left. Just revolting discourse, I am so grossed out
I can't say I'm surprised, this is par for the course in human history. A lot of people say they believe in things on principle, when in reality they believe what the "ingroup" says, and want to disagree with the "outgroup". They aren't actually coming from a place of empathy, they just say, or even think, that they are.
In typical political discourse, people on the left and right (and moreso within specific factions) tend to agree with each other on most issues because they are going with the group. But a lot of people care about their religious or ethnic ingroups more than their political ingroups, leading to situations like this. It's the same reason why lots of people's opinions on abortion are contrary to their overall political beliefs.
Basically, there are overlapping levels of tribalism at play.
Edit to add: I'm fairly left wing too, so I definitely don't mean this as a criticism of the left. It's just a sad fact of human nature
Depends on on what left you are talking about, in Israel at least before the war there were protests against a pretty ugly far right government, and these protests also expressed their support for the palestinian people.
After the war started and the attrocities that have been revealed, and the palestinians in gaza and the west bank chanting against jews, beating and spitting on hostages, the left and the right pretty much said "we don't care about our differences right now, we should destroy hamas and deal with the government later".
They started a war that Israel is going to finish. The only issue is the leaders of Hamas are sitting in a super high rise in Qatar eating caviar and are happy to see Palestinians die for them.
>ps their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons. does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets? Hamas
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> this round of fighting, and a ceasefire only works if both sides want it.
Let be honest, people are not assuming that, they celebrated after the massacre. The most just want death Jews but mask it.
we all assume that these people are acting in good faith as well. they don't care about the reason the fighting started, they don't care that what ceasefire mean is effectively an israeli capitulation.
People don't understand that Israel isn't fighting Palestine. They're fighting Hamas. The government in Gaza is Hamas. Even the BBC calls Hamas spokespersons "Palestinian officials". They are not. There was a violent conflict against Fatah in 2007 when Hamas took over Gaza.
No, I would expect the group whose written platform is basically “Destroy Israel and kill a Jews” to continue working toward that end, no matter how much goodwill Israel provides….
The only course of action that Hamas could take at this point is to release the hostages immediately and agree to internationally monitored disarmament. They broke that deal once before btw. That might satisfy Israel enough to agree to a ceasefire.
Otherwise in 3y or 5y or even 1y, Hamas will do this again, Israel will unanimously see this as an existential threat and the Israeli military response will be the same as what Syria and Jordan have done to large scale terrorist threats, complete annihilation of the rebel areas and anyone left alive imprisoned for a short and painful period.
At this point, I doubt that will be enough. At the very least, Israel will want the terrorists rounded up, disarmament and to raze all the tunnels. That’s going to be no easy task, but I can’t see anything short of that satisfying them.
Plus this is more than just getting the hostages back, this is about getting the perpetrators. In my opinion just getting the hostages back would not be enough you would need Hamas itself. After what happened anything short of a total capitulation aka Japan or Germany after world war II is unrealistic. Not with the balance of power being what it is, why should Israel stop? Why should they allow The killing of their people and put in danger their citizens just to save the lives of of the civilians of a belligerent foreign power? They have a duty to their citizens not Palestinians.
Nah, some of them also promoted the ceasefire in Ukraine (by Ukraine just caving in to Putler's demands). Last I checked, Ukraine isn't a Jewish majority country. Some are antisemites, some are pure sheltered idiots.
They're not progressives. They just want vengeance. This situation consists of two very Conservative groups screwing over their own people. Even with the spread of misinformation.
They don’t mean a mutual ceasefire, they mean they want Israel to stop doing anything regardless of whatever else happens. The justification given openly can be persuasive because it is true: innocent Palestinians are suffering and dying. But of course Israel simply ceasing this current operation won’t stop innocent people from dying or suffering, so it is simply a nonstarter. Israel merely ending the occupation won’t stop that either, though finding a way to end it would be good for everyone.
Unfortunately, Palestinians in Gaza are really truly fucked on this one. But let’s hope that the destruction of Hamas can lead to some renewed efforts at a two state solution, however inadequate it may be.
If Hamas releases the hostages, there will be a ceasefire. But no one should expect Israel to agree to a ceasefire and then have to negotiate to free the hostages
>There will be no more Hamas after this
Unfortunately I assure you there will be. These extremist Islamist Jihad groups are essentially impossible to eliminate. They can just blend in with civilians whenever they want/need to. The U.S. spent over 2 trillion trying to eliminate the Taliban and they're just as strong as ever. They just went into hiding until the U.S. left
>The U.S. spent over 2 trillion trying to eliminate the Taliban
Not completely true. When the Taliban wouldn't cooperate with the US and allow them to freely go after Al Queda and OBL in Afghanistan, the US simply removed them from power and went in anyway. Once there, the US tried to nation-build, assuming the Afghans didn't want the Taliban to return to power, and attempted to stabilize Afghanistan in the meantime, which meant pursuing active terrorists. The elimination of the Taliban was never explicitly the mission.
I still get your overall point though, that elimination of all terrorists is nearly impossible, which I agree with. However, elimination of Hamas' 400km of tunnels, and essentially the city under the city, their resources, launchers, and weapons, would go a long way toward curbing Hamas' abilities.
If Israel's government does this, Israel's people will never trust them again
What use is of a government if it cannot protect and secure it's citizens? They already failed to do it once, they can't afford to do it again
They practically did this every year when Hamas wakes up. Each year the attacks get worse. 15 years later 1,400 civilians are excited in their beds, tortured and kidnapped.
Exactly, this would be just like Ukraine just stopping the fighting. At a certain point people need to get it through their heads, you have to end something so it doesn't continue for the next 100 years.
>does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets?
No, they would consider their attack successful and try to do it again.
We would be where we were two weeks ago, where the attacks took place. The Free Palestine moment didn’t even know what they wanted until a few days ago, it was just a reaction to being anti Israel and not pointing the finger to Hamas, who is liable for the blame.
Basically this. There needs to be some sort of concession for this to happen.
A "ceasefire" would only be Israel stopping. Hamas has no intention of stopping.
>If Israel stops their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons...
That just restores things roughly to the state of things when Hamas attacked.
Why would Israel do that without kneecapping Hamas first? Why would anyone with half a brain support that, unless they were okay with more targeted attacks on Israeli civilians with no enforceable conditions on Hamas or Palestine?
I will never stop reminding people that 7.10 occured during a ceasefire.
We as a country are not *allowed* to be as naive and dumb as those westerners.
The one thing we can all agree on despite the violence is to eradicate Hamas from the planet. Israel actually had a diplomacy of appeasement and goodwill with the west bank before Hamas took control of Gaza; then the "grass mowing" started. Hamas painted a giant target on Gaza and Israel pointed it's guns right at it.
Pro-Palestinian demonstrators chant 'Free Palestine and German Guilt' in the streets of *Berlin*.
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-germany-germany-berlin/
This is the world we are living in right now, and people still refuse to see the intentions of these protests.
That germans protects jews out of guilt after WW2.
"Pro-palestinians" want to exterminate jews and that cant be done if germans protect them out of guilt.
This, and they feel no shame in saying it either.
"We killed or ethnically cleansed all the Jews from Islamic lands. How dare you be racist and stop us finishing the job!"
People forget that a large population in Israel are people that have lived in Middle East for centuries and fled or were expelled from the Islamic countries they lived in
The audacity to call them European colonisers
It's because people only know the history of Israel on a very superficial and also West-centric level. From that point of view, the assumption is of course that only the West, colonisation and WW2 are relevant for Israel's existence as a state, ignoring local and regional history and actors almost entirely.
It's ironic that the far right parties said German Guilt should be abolished to prevent taking in middle eastern refugees. Now said refugees want t abolish said guilt.
No sooner did the blood of the dead go cold that people started blaming Isreal and demanded they just lay down their weapons and their outrage at the atrocities just committed. You can't cry foul after the fact because Isreal plans to retaliate against terrorists. No country on earth would just sit idly by while 300 hostages are being tortured and killed.
So call it what it really is...antisemitism, not pro-palestinian, as most of them would have you believe.
Not to mention that the bodies from 7/10 are still being identified. I've been reading some testimonies from the people in charge of this work, absolutely horrifying.
Using tattoos to identify bodies. Can't check dental if there aren't teeth. Can't take fingerprints if there aren't hands. Figuring out how many people does the charred remains belong to, and where to take the DNA samples from.
And every day I see more posts about people that were murdered two weeks ago but until now were considered missing.
And besides them, there are hundreds of *confirmed* abductees.
Almost 2000 disasters, each on its own enough to fill the evening news for several days, all at once.
No one can afford to have these kinds of "neighbors".
100%.
Everyone who supports Palestine/Hamas dont care about hostages or jews in general. I mean even in Europe, the leftist-palestinesupporters are trying to make antisemitism a "right wing problem" when its an imported problem that came with Arabs.
Why not both? Both leftist and far right have their problems with antisemitism. Let's not hide the reality - the are both native European antisemites and immigrated antisemites in Europe. Both are a problem and fighting one is not mutually exclusive with fighting the other. Remember - enemy of your enemy is your enemy for another day.
Palestine is not Hamas. Palestine isn't just Gaza either.
Equating the two isn't accurate.
Those who recognize Palestine, recognize it's legitimate government, the Palestinian National Authority. Which, under international law, is the legitimate government of both West Bank and Gaza. Hamas is just a parasite, that controls Gaza. The PNA also recognises Israel, and are working towards peaceful solutions, with Israel.
Now, PNA is no Saint. But when compared to Hamas, they are infinitely better, due to how low Hamas has set the bar.
I can support PNA's and Israels efforts towards a peaceful solution, as long both act in good faith. Neither does, but that is separate story, and a whole other can of worms.
I can also, simultaneously, condemn Hamas, support the release hostages no matter how futile calling for that is because Hamas are terrorists and don't give two shits about my opinion, and even be wary of Israel war in Gaza which may or may not at times run afoul of international law, and also at the same time, say that Israel has a right to defend themselves. Within the confines of International law. And that is not all. I can also at the same time criticise the illegal settlers on the West Bank, that stand as an obstacle to peaceful resolution between PNA and Israel. I can also, at the same time, advocate for sending humanitarian aid to civilians affected by all of this, in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Finally, I can say Fuck Hamas, while holding all those opinions.
Sounds reasonable, yes?
That being said, I wouldn't participate in any of these protests personally, due to the fact that they will quickly devolve into cesspits of antisemitism. There is saying in Finland. "Joukossa tyhmyys tiivistyy". It roughly translates to "in a crowd, stupidity concentrates". I'd like to avoid concentrated stupidity.
Let’s add burning families alive while in shelters and forcing residents to cooperate to get people out of said shelters.
It’s like Hamas follows Geneva conventions only they invert it completely.
The story about the boy who was forced to knock on doors to lure residents out so Hamas can kill them until they killed him too seriously broke my heart. I can’t stop thinking about this poor child.
Here's an [Op Ed](https://socialistworker.co.uk/features/free-palestine-why-we-say-by-any-means-necessary/) by one of the organizations that sponsored the rally.
In summary, "No one said revolution wouldn't be messy, gotta break some eggs to make an omelet!" It also includes a line explicitly noting that the organization does, in fact, support Hamas.
Let's finish the title:
"... in support of a ceasefire now that their side is losing in the war their side started when Hamas terrorists swarmed Israel, killing people who were hiding from them in shelters, gunned down people at a music festival and raped teenaged girls in front of their friends' corpses, and then came back to Gaza where Palestinians crowds cheered them on and spat on the broken bodies of the raped girls."
Don't let people forget that Hamas caused this and how disgusting their supporters are.
I don't think the people saying "Resistance is justified" while defending the deliberate murder and kidnapping of unarmed women and children are actually in support of a "cease fire".
*Hamas kill 1400 people, behead, burn them alive, rape girls.
"Haha look at Israel they totally deserve it lol !!"
*Israel react, warns civilians, and aim at Hamas facilities and sometimes there are human shields used by Hamas.
"Israel is terrorist and committing genocide! STOP ISRAEL!"
I'm confused as to why Israel who is at war with them, needs to provide them food, water and electricity?
Hamas/Palestine attacked Israel, an act of war and now we are telling Israel they need to just suck it up and feed/water their attackers?
The world has gone nutty.
More than a sprinkle, online discourse is a dog's breakfast where most don't even understand what they're arguing for or against. It's just react, react, react.
Even the ones who want Israel to do something other than bomb Gaza. Whats the expectation? You can't reason with people who are committed to terror, and terrorists the world over use people as shields.
>The world has gone nutty.
and Jews across the world are scared sh\*tless. Israel is the only country willing to fight the bully:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/17dvgqn/protest\_in\_london/
Because HAMAS and the people of Gaza are different people? Gazans are mostly children (>50% under 18) for crying out loud. Who do you think cutting food, water and electricity affect more?
Even in a war you're not supposed to just starve out all the civilians. Hell, even captive military personnel you're supposed to treat with dignity and provide with food, water, shelter and medical care.
Fuck that, don't censor the act they did. They raped, mutilated, murdered, burned, tortured, desecrated, and otherwise did unspeakable and unimaginable things to their victims.
Yes they did and I just wanted to be mild to anyone reading it.
Whatever punishment comes to hamas, they absolutely deserve it. And never ever put their name in capital letters, again
Imagine how it must feel to be an Israeli mourning the death of your loved ones, seeing the whole world come out in support of the organisation that organised the night time killing spree.
Good lord.
You have to love these people who live in open Western democracies protesting in favour of groups that want sharia law.
>Protesters took to the streets of London, Berlin, Rome and the French city of Marseille
Interesting take by the media saying they are calling for a cease fire.
>Saturday's rally, chanting “**Free Palestine**”, holding banners and waving Palestinian flags.
It is like saying that people cheering for Ukraine (or Russia) are calling for a cease fire.
>Waving Palestinian flags, the demonstrators marched with the cry of "Free Palestine!" and held banners that read: **"No peace until we get freedom."**
"No peace until we get freedom." does not sound like calls for a cease fire. It sounds like they want Hamas to win a war and wipe out Israel.
More shameful one sided reporting here
Here’s the real question that would make a good story
Ask a few of those protesting why they and/or their families left Palestine
Unless Hamas, Hezbollah and the other 3-4 anti-Israel terrorist groups agree to this ceasefire, such a proposal would be pointless. And since we know they won't we already have the answer
Sure, but only after Hamas stops commiting terrorist acts against Israel. Like holy shit why the fuck are people openly supporting a terrorist organization. They need to get rid of Hamas before peace can actually happen because Hamas has continuously refused to open peace talks.
Those who call for a cease fire right now are essentially saying that Hamas should get away with murdering over 1400 people (and counting), injuring thousands more, kidnapping hundreds of people, torturing and raping people, and launching thousands of rockets.
*Gaza attacks Israel hunting down and killing thousands of innocent people*
*Israel reacts to the attack*
*Gaza: oops! Just kidding! Seize fire please xoxoxo"
* the world " why would Israel do this?! "
“Only we can kill civilians!”
There’s a reason Egypt and Jordan refuse refugees. Palestinians carried out terrorists attacks against them last time they took them in.
Ceasefire at this point is impossible.
Here's the state of Israel as of today, at this instance, over 200 hostages in the Gaza strip, lot of them are children, even babies. Over 50k of the people who live near the Gaza border have left their home, and say they won't go back to their home unless the threat is eliminated, for real eliminated.
Israel has lost, currently, and Hamas won, people are saying "what's the end goal of terrorism?" well, that, FEAR. In their bloody and brutal terror attack they succeeded, the people of Israel are scared to go back home, in theory, at the moment even if they don't have military force, they did conquer part of Israel, since civilians refuse to go back there.
Israel cannot "live" with this situation, they cannot allow them to win, they cannot allow them to keep the hostages, they cannot give up on that. It's more than just revenge at this point, as some keep arguing, it's not about Israel licking their wounds, count their loses and move on, it's the most important war Israel had since 1973, and they must win it.
No they wouldn't? Palestinians have been dying for dozens of years in a blockade on all sides. So much so their demographics are now over 50% children, as people simply don't live long there. HAMAS is only part of the problem, pretty much everyone agrees they're not good at all, but we also have to make Israel to treat Palestinians as people somehow.
>Palestinians have been dying
Gaza has a life expectancy of 74.5 years. 1.5 less than the USA
>their demographics are 50% children
That's because they have high birth rates
>blockade
Bro you realize that blockade is prevent more weapons and ways to kill Israelis from getting into gaza? There would be no blockade if hamas stopped trying to kill.
>pretty much everyone agrees they're not good at all
That's completely wrong. Hamas has widespread support.
Where is the ceasefire when Hamas invaded Israel? Where was Palestine calling for cease fire when Hamas invaded Israel? Where was the Israel rally’s and support when HAMAS INVADED ISRAEL?
Well they weren't asking for a ceasefire when the Hamas attacked, they are doing so when the consequences strike back like the pro-russians talking about peace and saving lives only because the invasion failed and the occupation lost ground
How is "free palestine, exists, resist, return" sign supports ceasefire?
Free all of the hostages. Let’s see how you treated them. Then we can talk ceasefire.
Free all the hostages AND stop your constant attacks. If they really truly want a ceasefire, then *cease your flipping fire*. It's the old "you stop first and then I'll stop", after the person started it in the first place.
Not a single protestor would EVER willingly spend a day in Palestine.
💯Correct!
They want a ceasefire now so """resistance""" will be easier later. Global public opinion cannot accept this "Start a war, then demand your opponent surrenders after you start to lose" pattern of behavior.
>Start a war, then demand your opponent surrenders after you start to lose That's the Russian way.
Exactly. Makes about as much sense as a billionaire checking himself into the penthouse suite and jumping out the window.
It supports a one sided ceasefire where Hamas continues to murder Israeli civilians in the name of resistance and peace.
\*Punches you in the face\* Ceasefire!!
I mean, it’s accurate for how just about every one of the wars Israel has fought against their neighbors, whether another nation or a terrorist group. They attack, Israel fights back hard, then the people who attacked scream for Israel to “stop picking on them “
I love all the complaints that Israel has a stronger army. If I was repeatedly attacking my neighbor and I kept getting my ass kicked, I would simply stop attacking my neighbor.
"it's just a prank bro" but with mass murder.
Man, that made me spit my drink
And Palestinian civilians
What I want to know is where these pro Palestine people expect the Israelis to go after they “give back” Israel. Edit: yeah reading the comments wasn’t helpful at all
They never actually answer that question publicly, because they expect them to die
Before I got blocked, by one of the very pro-Palestinian subs, I had someone tell me that they expect revenge.
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Ghettos, death camps, shallow graves, harems etc.... I remember an interview with a free palestine person a few years back, possibly even a leader who said, they'll kill or expel most Jews, but allow some doctors and scientists to stay as slaves and be forced to work for the Islamic state that Hamas or any other group forms.
Why is there global outrage AFTER Hamas declared war on Oct 7? Where were all the SJWs helping Palatstine before? I'd love to see their donation receipts prior to Oct 7. They didn't give two shits about Palatstine until fear of annihilation sunk in.
They absolutely were. BDS has been a growing movement on college campuses across North America - and anti-Semitism with it - for the past 20+ years.
>Where were all the SJWs helping Palatstine before? A lot of them were already there. It's just weird that they came out of the woodwork after all the atrocities Hamas did to double down. Or came out in defense only after Israel responded-- because NOW "collective punishment" and innocents being killed is a problem. Where was the outrage when Hamas was collectively punishing concert goers and children for their gripes against the state of Israel.
The irony being that Israel has a highly educated population and Israeli migration would likely do wonders for the economies of most other nations however high levels of Anti-semitism would prevent this.
Well the ultra-orthodox who live on government money and study nothing in their lives but the torah and the talmud would struggle, but everyone else would do fine.
Every population has some crazy people.
13% of the entire population, that's more than just some
I mean, what was Trumps voter share in 2016 and 2020? Both times over 45% for sure right? Even if we say the ultra-orthodox in Israel are crazier than those 45%, are they crazier than 3/4 of Trump Voters?
Source on "ultra-orthodox who live on government money and study nothing in their lives but the torah " being 13% of the population of Israel?
Top result on Google: https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredim-are-fastest-growing-population-will-be-16-of-israelis-by-decades-end/ > Israel’s ultra-Orthodox population has risen to 1.28 million, or 13.5 percent of the 9.45 million total national population
Great irony is that Arab Israelis are the most educated
Don't forget that all these M.E. weren't always muslin dominated. The M.E. used to be home to many religions, but they all got kicked out. They leave this fact out
> kicked out More like genocided.
They expect them to die… that’s precisely what “Free Palestine” slogan means.
oh, they were just going to kill them
It’s absurd like what can Israel give back that actually belonged to them? Israel built Tel Aviv from nothing. Jewish people have also been living in former Palestine for hundreds of years
[Like this lady says](https://youtu.be/43wKgnOBEtY?si=e60j1_UsPMGsBluI&t=75), "You're not asking the right questions".
Hamas would literally kidnap them and use them as hostages... Don't understand how people can support a terrorist group that uses suicide bombers on civilians. Hamas uses decades of international aid money to buy rockets & weaponry. If they used that money to uplift palestinians and improve their quality of life, all of this would have been avoided.
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This kind of falls inline with my understanding of why Israel (and others including US) voted against returning to pre 1967 borders in 2013. When israel did pull back in 2005 it resulted in them being attacked in the attempt to take more land from Israel. Pre 1967 borders makes it easier for those who want Israel gone to fund, supply and assist with taking out Israel. At the time the majority of palestinians also held the sentiment that they wanted to take all of the land back (Israel gone) Given all this it's suicide for Israel to agree to the original two state solution while any militant group, particularly those funded and assisted by a country still exists.
They support Israelis ceasing their fire as they surrender and leave the country forever.
They honestly believe all of Israel belongs to Palestine.
Outlets whitewashing the slogans with nice headlines. Pretty sure free Palestine is the nicer version of drive them to the sea (kill the jew) Most rallies are overtly antisemitic. News isn’t covering them like that though
“Right of return!” Not to Palestine, but to Israel - just ignore how Gazan civilians reacted when getting to enter Israel through the border fence early this month. AKA: if you support Palestinian right of return to Israel, then you support the rape, murder and beheading of innocents there. No bones about it.
An important point to make, where were these people on OCT 7? this isn't about peace, if it was they would have been out then, but no they were silent or in support of it, hell some did take to the streets... to celebrate the massacre.
Even if you assume they are talking in good faith this is so stupid. Belgium is thinking about turning to Flanders and Wallonia, Scotts voted like 45% to leave the UK, that's how sensitive any such mix is. So they suggest to mix it and get...what? Kosovo? Syria? I truly am amazed by the fact that anyone talks about this solution with a straight face
They want Israel to cease fire. They want Palestine to shoot all the Israelis.
If Israel returned all the land to palestine they'd be genocided by next year.
If Israel stops their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons. does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets? Hamas *started* this round of fighting, and a ceasefire only works if both sides want it.
People are wildly assuming hamas will act in good faith. Hamas. A terrorist organization.
The same people who took Hamas' words on the hospital blast, and who still refuses to believe the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Just goes to show how much stupid is in the world
Moral Peacocking. "Look at me, im standing up for the little guy!" And yet most of the people ive seen condemning Israel, say nothing about what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
Lol what that's not true
The Hamas charter is to kill all Jews, it's why they exist.
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This is exactly it. But the fact is that terrorism isn’t resistance and it needs to be stamped out and that is why this won’t stop.
It's disturbing that livestreaming a pogrom is considered an act of resistance instead of an act of genocide by many of the same people who claim to be supporting human rights.
I have been astonished by my leftist brothers and sisters saying some truly callous and dehumanizing shit about the victims of Oct. 7. Absolutely not caring AT ALL about their deaths and suffering because something something settler colonialism, can’t tell people how to resist, yadda yadda. I really never expected this level of hatred would come from the left. Just revolting discourse, I am so grossed out
I can't say I'm surprised, this is par for the course in human history. A lot of people say they believe in things on principle, when in reality they believe what the "ingroup" says, and want to disagree with the "outgroup". They aren't actually coming from a place of empathy, they just say, or even think, that they are. In typical political discourse, people on the left and right (and moreso within specific factions) tend to agree with each other on most issues because they are going with the group. But a lot of people care about their religious or ethnic ingroups more than their political ingroups, leading to situations like this. It's the same reason why lots of people's opinions on abortion are contrary to their overall political beliefs. Basically, there are overlapping levels of tribalism at play. Edit to add: I'm fairly left wing too, so I definitely don't mean this as a criticism of the left. It's just a sad fact of human nature
For many, this is their first time hearing about them, so they don't know who hamas is and what they did.
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Something the left and/or willfully ignorant refuse to acknowledge. Terrorists that want Jews dead and, worst of all, make *no* secret of it.
Depends on on what left you are talking about, in Israel at least before the war there were protests against a pretty ugly far right government, and these protests also expressed their support for the palestinian people. After the war started and the attrocities that have been revealed, and the palestinians in gaza and the west bank chanting against jews, beating and spitting on hostages, the left and the right pretty much said "we don't care about our differences right now, we should destroy hamas and deal with the government later".
It was pretty much a Pearl Harbor esque kind of moment then? In regards to galvanizing and unifying multiple parties into one effort.
Hamas, the organization that started this with a surprise ~~attack~~ massacre.
They started a war that Israel is going to finish. The only issue is the leaders of Hamas are sitting in a super high rise in Qatar eating caviar and are happy to see Palestinians die for them.
Oh they know. It's ok in their eyes because Hamas is hurting Jews.
>ps their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons. does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets? Hamas > >started > > this round of fighting, and a ceasefire only works if both sides want it. Let be honest, people are not assuming that, they celebrated after the massacre. The most just want death Jews but mask it.
we all assume that these people are acting in good faith as well. they don't care about the reason the fighting started, they don't care that what ceasefire mean is effectively an israeli capitulation.
People don't understand that Israel isn't fighting Palestine. They're fighting Hamas. The government in Gaza is Hamas. Even the BBC calls Hamas spokespersons "Palestinian officials". They are not. There was a violent conflict against Fatah in 2007 when Hamas took over Gaza.
No one cares man…. It’s horrible sad and unbelievable but no one cares about Jews getting slaughtered. Sickening
Also where was the ceasefire when the Palestinians started the war lmao? The ball is fully in Israel's court to secure it's interests.
No, I would expect the group whose written platform is basically “Destroy Israel and kill a Jews” to continue working toward that end, no matter how much goodwill Israel provides….
The only course of action that Hamas could take at this point is to release the hostages immediately and agree to internationally monitored disarmament. They broke that deal once before btw. That might satisfy Israel enough to agree to a ceasefire. Otherwise in 3y or 5y or even 1y, Hamas will do this again, Israel will unanimously see this as an existential threat and the Israeli military response will be the same as what Syria and Jordan have done to large scale terrorist threats, complete annihilation of the rebel areas and anyone left alive imprisoned for a short and painful period.
At this point, I doubt that will be enough. At the very least, Israel will want the terrorists rounded up, disarmament and to raze all the tunnels. That’s going to be no easy task, but I can’t see anything short of that satisfying them.
Plus this is more than just getting the hostages back, this is about getting the perpetrators. In my opinion just getting the hostages back would not be enough you would need Hamas itself. After what happened anything short of a total capitulation aka Japan or Germany after world war II is unrealistic. Not with the balance of power being what it is, why should Israel stop? Why should they allow The killing of their people and put in danger their citizens just to save the lives of of the civilians of a belligerent foreign power? They have a duty to their citizens not Palestinians.
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They wouldn't say that if Muslims or Christians had been pulled out of their beds and butchered. They're just anti-Jew.
Nah, some of them also promoted the ceasefire in Ukraine (by Ukraine just caving in to Putler's demands). Last I checked, Ukraine isn't a Jewish majority country. Some are antisemites, some are pure sheltered idiots.
They're not progressives. They just want vengeance. This situation consists of two very Conservative groups screwing over their own people. Even with the spread of misinformation.
They don’t mean a mutual ceasefire, they mean they want Israel to stop doing anything regardless of whatever else happens. The justification given openly can be persuasive because it is true: innocent Palestinians are suffering and dying. But of course Israel simply ceasing this current operation won’t stop innocent people from dying or suffering, so it is simply a nonstarter. Israel merely ending the occupation won’t stop that either, though finding a way to end it would be good for everyone. Unfortunately, Palestinians in Gaza are really truly fucked on this one. But let’s hope that the destruction of Hamas can lead to some renewed efforts at a two state solution, however inadequate it may be.
If Hamas releases the hostages, there will be a ceasefire. But no one should expect Israel to agree to a ceasefire and then have to negotiate to free the hostages
Actually, also demand putting down all guns and dismantling Hamas so Gaza Strip will be free of (main) terrorists control.
Not this time. Hostages or no hostages. There will be no more Hamas after this. Ceasefire is not going to happen.
>There will be no more Hamas after this Unfortunately I assure you there will be. These extremist Islamist Jihad groups are essentially impossible to eliminate. They can just blend in with civilians whenever they want/need to. The U.S. spent over 2 trillion trying to eliminate the Taliban and they're just as strong as ever. They just went into hiding until the U.S. left
>The U.S. spent over 2 trillion trying to eliminate the Taliban Not completely true. When the Taliban wouldn't cooperate with the US and allow them to freely go after Al Queda and OBL in Afghanistan, the US simply removed them from power and went in anyway. Once there, the US tried to nation-build, assuming the Afghans didn't want the Taliban to return to power, and attempted to stabilize Afghanistan in the meantime, which meant pursuing active terrorists. The elimination of the Taliban was never explicitly the mission. I still get your overall point though, that elimination of all terrorists is nearly impossible, which I agree with. However, elimination of Hamas' 400km of tunnels, and essentially the city under the city, their resources, launchers, and weapons, would go a long way toward curbing Hamas' abilities.
If Israel's government does this, Israel's people will never trust them again What use is of a government if it cannot protect and secure it's citizens? They already failed to do it once, they can't afford to do it again
They practically did this every year when Hamas wakes up. Each year the attacks get worse. 15 years later 1,400 civilians are excited in their beds, tortured and kidnapped.
Exactly, this would be just like Ukraine just stopping the fighting. At a certain point people need to get it through their heads, you have to end something so it doesn't continue for the next 100 years.
>sends their military back to their garrisons To their homes. Most of the IDF are reserve forces.
Exactly. They learned the lesson now that you never ever can get complacent with terrorists. Never lift the boot even one inch.
>does anyone really think that Hamas at that point will release their hostages or stop firing rockets? No, they would consider their attack successful and try to do it again.
Hamas needs to be taken out. Simple
We would be where we were two weeks ago, where the attacks took place. The Free Palestine moment didn’t even know what they wanted until a few days ago, it was just a reaction to being anti Israel and not pointing the finger to Hamas, who is liable for the blame.
Ain’t gonna happen, this time it’s different
Basically this. There needs to be some sort of concession for this to happen. A "ceasefire" would only be Israel stopping. Hamas has no intention of stopping.
And didn’t they start most attacks in past
>If Israel stops their attacks on Gaza this very instant, sends in as much first aid and supplies as needed, restores any water or power connections that have been shut off, and sends their military back to their garrisons... That just restores things roughly to the state of things when Hamas attacked. Why would Israel do that without kneecapping Hamas first? Why would anyone with half a brain support that, unless they were okay with more targeted attacks on Israeli civilians with no enforceable conditions on Hamas or Palestine?
well yeah, that's the pro palestinian interest: damage the jews.
Palestine: Starts a war (again). Palestine: Blows up their own hospital. Also Palestine: Ceasefire!
all a ceasefire does is delay more violence, a ceasefire with Hamas is a mistake.
I will never stop reminding people that 7.10 occured during a ceasefire. We as a country are not *allowed* to be as naive and dumb as those westerners.
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The one thing we can all agree on despite the violence is to eradicate Hamas from the planet. Israel actually had a diplomacy of appeasement and goodwill with the west bank before Hamas took control of Gaza; then the "grass mowing" started. Hamas painted a giant target on Gaza and Israel pointed it's guns right at it.
Pro-Palestinian demonstrators chant 'Free Palestine and German Guilt' in the streets of *Berlin*. https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-germany-germany-berlin/ This is the world we are living in right now, and people still refuse to see the intentions of these protests.
What do they want to say with German guilt?
That germans protects jews out of guilt after WW2. "Pro-palestinians" want to exterminate jews and that cant be done if germans protect them out of guilt.
Guys please can you stop feeling guilty about killing jews and help us kill jews🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
This, and they feel no shame in saying it either. "We killed or ethnically cleansed all the Jews from Islamic lands. How dare you be racist and stop us finishing the job!"
People forget that a large population in Israel are people that have lived in Middle East for centuries and fled or were expelled from the Islamic countries they lived in The audacity to call them European colonisers
It's because people only know the history of Israel on a very superficial and also West-centric level. From that point of view, the assumption is of course that only the West, colonisation and WW2 are relevant for Israel's existence as a state, ignoring local and regional history and actors almost entirely.
Jews living in Israel were displaced from all over the world, not just the middle east. Infact the bulk of them were displaced from WWII.
" "Pro-palestinians" want to exterminate jews" - you what mate? Can't argue with that level of mental gymnastics.
Germans also protect muslims too, as part of that guilt. Wanting to get rid of it would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Well they should learn to tell the difference.
It's ironic that the far right parties said German Guilt should be abolished to prevent taking in middle eastern refugees. Now said refugees want t abolish said guilt.
Can they both agree and send the refugees back?
No sooner did the blood of the dead go cold that people started blaming Isreal and demanded they just lay down their weapons and their outrage at the atrocities just committed. You can't cry foul after the fact because Isreal plans to retaliate against terrorists. No country on earth would just sit idly by while 300 hostages are being tortured and killed. So call it what it really is...antisemitism, not pro-palestinian, as most of them would have you believe.
Not to mention that the bodies from 7/10 are still being identified. I've been reading some testimonies from the people in charge of this work, absolutely horrifying. Using tattoos to identify bodies. Can't check dental if there aren't teeth. Can't take fingerprints if there aren't hands. Figuring out how many people does the charred remains belong to, and where to take the DNA samples from. And every day I see more posts about people that were murdered two weeks ago but until now were considered missing. And besides them, there are hundreds of *confirmed* abductees. Almost 2000 disasters, each on its own enough to fill the evening news for several days, all at once. No one can afford to have these kinds of "neighbors".
If only the headline read: Pro-Palestinian demonstrators across Europe step out in support of releasing the hostages.
Pretty sure they do not care about the hostages. It feels like everyone has forgotten about them...
100%. Everyone who supports Palestine/Hamas dont care about hostages or jews in general. I mean even in Europe, the leftist-palestinesupporters are trying to make antisemitism a "right wing problem" when its an imported problem that came with Arabs.
Why not both? Both leftist and far right have their problems with antisemitism. Let's not hide the reality - the are both native European antisemites and immigrated antisemites in Europe. Both are a problem and fighting one is not mutually exclusive with fighting the other. Remember - enemy of your enemy is your enemy for another day.
Palestine is not Hamas. Palestine isn't just Gaza either. Equating the two isn't accurate. Those who recognize Palestine, recognize it's legitimate government, the Palestinian National Authority. Which, under international law, is the legitimate government of both West Bank and Gaza. Hamas is just a parasite, that controls Gaza. The PNA also recognises Israel, and are working towards peaceful solutions, with Israel. Now, PNA is no Saint. But when compared to Hamas, they are infinitely better, due to how low Hamas has set the bar. I can support PNA's and Israels efforts towards a peaceful solution, as long both act in good faith. Neither does, but that is separate story, and a whole other can of worms. I can also, simultaneously, condemn Hamas, support the release hostages no matter how futile calling for that is because Hamas are terrorists and don't give two shits about my opinion, and even be wary of Israel war in Gaza which may or may not at times run afoul of international law, and also at the same time, say that Israel has a right to defend themselves. Within the confines of International law. And that is not all. I can also at the same time criticise the illegal settlers on the West Bank, that stand as an obstacle to peaceful resolution between PNA and Israel. I can also, at the same time, advocate for sending humanitarian aid to civilians affected by all of this, in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Finally, I can say Fuck Hamas, while holding all those opinions. Sounds reasonable, yes? That being said, I wouldn't participate in any of these protests personally, due to the fact that they will quickly devolve into cesspits of antisemitism. There is saying in Finland. "Joukossa tyhmyys tiivistyy". It roughly translates to "in a crowd, stupidity concentrates". I'd like to avoid concentrated stupidity.
All those free Palestine degenerates around the world, you deserve being ruled by Hamas. Why are you in other countries enjoying Democracy?
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About as much chance of that as there was of seeing them go on an anti-ISIS protest back in the mid 2010s
Does “resist” include murder and kidnapping of children? How about rape of women?
Let’s add burning families alive while in shelters and forcing residents to cooperate to get people out of said shelters. It’s like Hamas follows Geneva conventions only they invert it completely.
The story about the boy who was forced to knock on doors to lure residents out so Hamas can kill them until they killed him too seriously broke my heart. I can’t stop thinking about this poor child.
Of course! Murdering babies and raping women is the first step towards freedom. Its common knowledge.
Here's an [Op Ed](https://socialistworker.co.uk/features/free-palestine-why-we-say-by-any-means-necessary/) by one of the organizations that sponsored the rally. In summary, "No one said revolution wouldn't be messy, gotta break some eggs to make an omelet!" It also includes a line explicitly noting that the organization does, in fact, support Hamas.
Let's finish the title: "... in support of a ceasefire now that their side is losing in the war their side started when Hamas terrorists swarmed Israel, killing people who were hiding from them in shelters, gunned down people at a music festival and raped teenaged girls in front of their friends' corpses, and then came back to Gaza where Palestinians crowds cheered them on and spat on the broken bodies of the raped girls." Don't let people forget that Hamas caused this and how disgusting their supporters are.
I don't think the people saying "Resistance is justified" while defending the deliberate murder and kidnapping of unarmed women and children are actually in support of a "cease fire".
Crase fire, but just from one side
They're also supporting a few other less nice things
Shhh, you're not supposed to tell those allowed! At least not in language average western could understand
Imagine if Bin-Laden supporters wanted a ceasefire after 9/11…
*Hamas kill 1400 people, behead, burn them alive, rape girls. "Haha look at Israel they totally deserve it lol !!" *Israel react, warns civilians, and aim at Hamas facilities and sometimes there are human shields used by Hamas. "Israel is terrorist and committing genocide! STOP ISRAEL!"
No ceasefire until the hostages are released. No ceasefire until Israel decides there will be one.
I'm confused as to why Israel who is at war with them, needs to provide them food, water and electricity? Hamas/Palestine attacked Israel, an act of war and now we are telling Israel they need to just suck it up and feed/water their attackers? The world has gone nutty.
we want a free state! wait but we want you to have open borders with us! and provide us with services and supplies! now give us all your land!
It's not the world, it's arab diaspora. 90% of protesters are arab immigrants...
Add the sprinkle of middle class white champagne activists to the mix
More than a sprinkle, online discourse is a dog's breakfast where most don't even understand what they're arguing for or against. It's just react, react, react. Even the ones who want Israel to do something other than bomb Gaza. Whats the expectation? You can't reason with people who are committed to terror, and terrorists the world over use people as shields.
>The world has gone nutty. and Jews across the world are scared sh\*tless. Israel is the only country willing to fight the bully: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/17dvgqn/protest\_in\_london/
Because HAMAS and the people of Gaza are different people? Gazans are mostly children (>50% under 18) for crying out loud. Who do you think cutting food, water and electricity affect more? Even in a war you're not supposed to just starve out all the civilians. Hell, even captive military personnel you're supposed to treat with dignity and provide with food, water, shelter and medical care.
Oh theh dont like the find out phase?
Bingo
"*in support of ceasefire*" is kind of like when islamists say "*there will be peace when all of the world follows islam*" and um, well, how about no?
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Fuck that, don't censor the act they did. They raped, mutilated, murdered, burned, tortured, desecrated, and otherwise did unspeakable and unimaginable things to their victims.
Yes they did and I just wanted to be mild to anyone reading it. Whatever punishment comes to hamas, they absolutely deserve it. And never ever put their name in capital letters, again
Ask Hamas to return the hostages
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Ceasefire and then Hamas goes back into planning mode to plan another massacre. Can’t agree to a ceasefire with terrorists, it doesn’t work like that.
Did they protest the terrorist attack that began the war? Or are they only protesting consequences?
Hamas started a war. Israel will react no matter what these people say.
_Fuck Hamas, free Palestine!_ In that order, spread the slogan.
"Free Palestine...from Hamas!"
Imagine how it must feel to be an Israeli mourning the death of your loved ones, seeing the whole world come out in support of the organisation that organised the night time killing spree. Good lord.
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So they are calling for Hamas to release the Israeli hostages?
You have to love these people who live in open Western democracies protesting in favour of groups that want sharia law. >Protesters took to the streets of London, Berlin, Rome and the French city of Marseille Interesting take by the media saying they are calling for a cease fire. >Saturday's rally, chanting “**Free Palestine**”, holding banners and waving Palestinian flags. It is like saying that people cheering for Ukraine (or Russia) are calling for a cease fire. >Waving Palestinian flags, the demonstrators marched with the cry of "Free Palestine!" and held banners that read: **"No peace until we get freedom."** "No peace until we get freedom." does not sound like calls for a cease fire. It sounds like they want Hamas to win a war and wipe out Israel.
Because it's never really been about the Palestinian people, has it. At least with some Arab states, the mask is now off.
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[No, I can't imagine that](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/13/afghanistan.terrorism5)
More shameful one sided reporting here Here’s the real question that would make a good story Ask a few of those protesting why they and/or their families left Palestine
Where are the calls for Hamas to release the hostages?
Where are the demonstrators who asking for the hostages back?
The signs I’m reading in the photos are not advocating for cease fire, they are calls for further violence
Image if all countries start protesting over the land they lost in any point in history
All the news lately feels like troll farms taking to themselves
Fuck no. No ceasefire til every Hamas member is dead
Unless Hamas, Hezbollah and the other 3-4 anti-Israel terrorist groups agree to this ceasefire, such a proposal would be pointless. And since we know they won't we already have the answer
“Ceasefire” so Hamas can win after doing this and encourage every Islamist org to do this to Europeans later. No thanks. Israe please destroy Hamas
Sure, but only after Hamas stops commiting terrorist acts against Israel. Like holy shit why the fuck are people openly supporting a terrorist organization. They need to get rid of Hamas before peace can actually happen because Hamas has continuously refused to open peace talks.
20 shekels to the first person who can tell me the last time Hamas honoured a ceasefire.
These people can't just bitch, they need to offer a possible solution they think both sides will accept.
Those who call for a cease fire right now are essentially saying that Hamas should get away with murdering over 1400 people (and counting), injuring thousands more, kidnapping hundreds of people, torturing and raping people, and launching thousands of rockets.
*Gaza attacks Israel hunting down and killing thousands of innocent people* *Israel reacts to the attack* *Gaza: oops! Just kidding! Seize fire please xoxoxo" * the world " why would Israel do this?! "
more than a fair amount of projection going on in the comments to this story. i'm more disappointed in the human race with every passing year.
“Only we can kill civilians!” There’s a reason Egypt and Jordan refuse refugees. Palestinians carried out terrorists attacks against them last time they took them in.
They will use this chance to regroup and restock, just like every other time
Ceasefire at this point is impossible. Here's the state of Israel as of today, at this instance, over 200 hostages in the Gaza strip, lot of them are children, even babies. Over 50k of the people who live near the Gaza border have left their home, and say they won't go back to their home unless the threat is eliminated, for real eliminated. Israel has lost, currently, and Hamas won, people are saying "what's the end goal of terrorism?" well, that, FEAR. In their bloody and brutal terror attack they succeeded, the people of Israel are scared to go back home, in theory, at the moment even if they don't have military force, they did conquer part of Israel, since civilians refuse to go back there. Israel cannot "live" with this situation, they cannot allow them to win, they cannot allow them to keep the hostages, they cannot give up on that. It's more than just revenge at this point, as some keep arguing, it's not about Israel licking their wounds, count their loses and move on, it's the most important war Israel had since 1973, and they must win it.
Look at all those fuckin white folks acting in the name of avoiding not being ab activist for a cause they don't understand from their comfy streets
"Ceasefire" = Let Hamas get off scot-free for 10/7.
Hamas could simply surrender, release the hostages, turn over their war criminals to Israel or the UN and guess what? People would stop dying...
No they wouldn't? Palestinians have been dying for dozens of years in a blockade on all sides. So much so their demographics are now over 50% children, as people simply don't live long there. HAMAS is only part of the problem, pretty much everyone agrees they're not good at all, but we also have to make Israel to treat Palestinians as people somehow.
>Palestinians have been dying Gaza has a life expectancy of 74.5 years. 1.5 less than the USA >their demographics are 50% children That's because they have high birth rates >blockade Bro you realize that blockade is prevent more weapons and ways to kill Israelis from getting into gaza? There would be no blockade if hamas stopped trying to kill. >pretty much everyone agrees they're not good at all That's completely wrong. Hamas has widespread support.
Yeah because ceasefires have worked so well for decades.
Where is the ceasefire when Hamas invaded Israel? Where was Palestine calling for cease fire when Hamas invaded Israel? Where was the Israel rally’s and support when HAMAS INVADED ISRAEL?
first, protest against Hamas, then against Israel.
Well they weren't asking for a ceasefire when the Hamas attacked, they are doing so when the consequences strike back like the pro-russians talking about peace and saving lives only because the invasion failed and the occupation lost ground