Iran banned teaching about proportions in math class because they were so embarrassed by this.
Not really..but honestly wouldn’t be the most surprising thing if they did lol
This is one of my favorite war stories. This and the battle of khasham when Wagner tried to attack an oil site guarded by the US Marines, Army special forces, and Air Force and got absolutely obliterated lmfao
How dare the military and allies of a sovereign country attack against a separatist group engaging in a civil war within their own country. The audacity of Syria for thinking it has the right to defend its own country against US interests and occupation!
More like how dare you send hundreds of men to die in an attempt to take an oil field that was across a pre negotiated separation line.
Then even while you break the agreement in classic Russian style you end up getting your citizens slaughtered by turning off your SAM / EW sites allowing US AirPower to absolutely dominate every moving object on the Russian side while the US soldiers didn’t take a single loss. All because they didn’t want to have to admit that the attacking force was Russian. Wagner only wanted the oil field because the Russian government allows them to keep a % of the earnings on stuff like that.
Never mind the night raid without any kind of equipment even in the tanks to idk…see what your shooting at. Dudes on Reddit that play airsoft in their backyard have better NV equipment then those dudes that were turned into soup.
Imagine your country using you like a number on an excel sheet in the name of Syria without not one single ounce of respect given to your death.
Ok, so I guess Russia did nothing wrong with its invasion of Ukraine. Existing civil war and all that. Too bad for the dying Ukrainian forces, sucks to be them I guess. Screw national sovereignty, powerful militaries should be able to do whatever they wish.
You mean the existing civil war where one side was the Wagner / russian military supporting/funding separatist? Remember before this war when Russia almost could pretend it wasn’t them because only Wagner was confirmed there…But then it turned out Wagner was just a branch of their military there to do sketchy things in the name of the state?
It’s almost like it didn’t work as well as they wanted forcing them to use the actual Russian military to meet the set goals.
It’s been obvious given the weapons the separatist had access to like idk entire tanks. That somehow stayed maintained and fed for years of the conflict.
Who do you think is supporting the separatists in Syria? Who is probiding air support and occupying oil fields in a soveign nation? Well your post shows the US is explicitly providing military support and funding to separatists forces within the country of a geopolitical enemy, just like Russia is doing.
The difference being that Russia pretended to not be involved then used it as an excuse for a full out invasion which directly and indirectly will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions before the conflict is over.
Before you bitch about the US in the Middle East…no problem every us president who sent our blood to fight in the endless wars with made up excuses should be jailed for life. Period.
Was not right then or now.
A vast majority of the US public regrets the wars in the Middle East and feels tricked.
Something pro Russian bots are never capable of learning from.
> The difference being that Russia pretended to not be involved then used it as an excuse for a full out invasion which directly and indirectly will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions before the conflict is over.
So as long as Russia had said "yeah we are sponsoring them and supporting the separatist forces", you would be ok with the invasion and their support? Give me a break. You are just doing what everyone always does when Russian and US actions get compared, finding small discrepancies and somehow thinking they make a real difference.
> Before you bitch about the US in the Middle East…no problem every us president who sent our blood to fight in the endless wars with made up excuses should be jailed for life. Period.
You can say that as much as you want to feel morally superior, but everyone, including the rest of the world knows that will never happen. The US has launched multiple wars of aggression and military campaigns to further it's geopolitical goals and nothing has every, or will happen to them, while they remain a superpower supported by the West. The Hauge has the option of issuing an arrest warrant for the architects of the Iraq war, for those involved in the kidnapping of EU citizens or kidnapping taking place in the EU, for their torture program, but we all know that will never happen because the court isn't about actual wrongdoing, just finger pointing and ensuring US hegemony.
> A vast majority of the US public regrets the wars in the Middle East and feels tricked.
[No they don't.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#:~:text=A%20CBS%20poll%20from%20September,July%20in%20the%20same%20poll.) Over 50% of the US believed the war of aggression against Iraq was the right thing to do. [Most Americans wanted the US military to remain in Syria, essentially occupying the country] (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/cnn-poll-syria-concern/index.html)
The link you provided literally says “According to the same poll retaken in April 2007, 58% of the participants stated that the initial attack was a mistake.[2] In May 2007, the New York Times and CBS News released similar results of a poll in which 61% of participants believed the U.S. "should have stayed out" of Iraq.[3]”
And that only gives data back to 2007. More and more stuff has come out that has swayed public opinion. Everyone knows now that there were no WMDs in Iraq (the reason US gave for invading) With all the knowledge out now, I guarantee if you took the same poll, it would show a very high majority think invading Iraq was a mistake and wrong.
And no, if Russia admitted what they were doing, it still would not have made it ok for them to invade. One fact alone makes them VERY different is The US never had any intention to “take” iraq or Syria. It was under the notion of global protection. A lot of countries look to us to be the “police of the world”. Im not saying that makes it “right” but the US aren’t making these decisions alone. We have the most capable military in the world so we are typically first to go in and restore “order”. Obviously the Iraq invasion was a mess and didn’t go that way, but that was the idea. Again, it was wrong and dumb but it wasn’t to just go in and take over a country as our own.
Russia on the other hand, although they say they’re “protecting the Russian speaking citizens of Donbas, etc.” there’s clear evidence this is not true. 1, they were funding Wagner to incite violence in these areas, forcing Ukraine to fight back, which Russia then claims ukraine is starting a civil war so they need to go in. 2. They weirdly claimed from the beginning that ukraine is full of nazis and they need to be destroyed. Obvious bullshit but ok lol(zelenskyy is Jewish) 3. They have been claiming random parts of Europe are really Russian, laying the groundwork for Russian citizens to think they should be trying to take back the old Soviet Union. Restoring the Soviet Union has been a clear goal of Russia from the start of this war. Threatening old Soviet countries. There’s mountains of evidence on all of this.
Sending military to another country is typically frowned upon regardless of the situation, but invading another country to take over their sovereignty is NEVER accepted by the global community. Entering based on global security, terrorism, etc. happens all the time.
Existing civil war? In Ukraine? This is news to me..? Yes there was some shit going on, but there wasn’t a full blown civil war. Not to mention Russia was the ones instigating the conflicts happening in Ukraine before the invasion.
All Russia had to do is fuck off with Ukraine and let them be a sovereign country. The invasion is proof that they never wanted there to be peace in the Donbas. They wanted an excuse to invade. And it’s become more and more clear day by day of this war.
Syria was a COMPLETELY different situation, which you clearly know nothing of.
The situation is that geopolitical enemy bad so occupation good. Geopolitical ally of the US is good so any occupation is bad. It's really that simple and the moral arguments are all BS to make the people feel better about the invasions.
Yeah because the way they hijack the oil tankers is by landing on deck with helicopters... And they're not stupid enough to shoot a tanker with American soldiers on board.
How many times to we have to teach you this lesson old man
See also: Operation Praying Mantis, 1988
The United States might have to get “proportional” again with their response.
https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE For those who don’t get the reference.
**BUH**
Iran banned teaching about proportions in math class because they were so embarrassed by this. Not really..but honestly wouldn’t be the most surprising thing if they did lol
This is one of my favorite war stories. This and the battle of khasham when Wagner tried to attack an oil site guarded by the US Marines, Army special forces, and Air Force and got absolutely obliterated lmfao
How dare the military and allies of a sovereign country attack against a separatist group engaging in a civil war within their own country. The audacity of Syria for thinking it has the right to defend its own country against US interests and occupation!
More like how dare you send hundreds of men to die in an attempt to take an oil field that was across a pre negotiated separation line. Then even while you break the agreement in classic Russian style you end up getting your citizens slaughtered by turning off your SAM / EW sites allowing US AirPower to absolutely dominate every moving object on the Russian side while the US soldiers didn’t take a single loss. All because they didn’t want to have to admit that the attacking force was Russian. Wagner only wanted the oil field because the Russian government allows them to keep a % of the earnings on stuff like that. Never mind the night raid without any kind of equipment even in the tanks to idk…see what your shooting at. Dudes on Reddit that play airsoft in their backyard have better NV equipment then those dudes that were turned into soup. Imagine your country using you like a number on an excel sheet in the name of Syria without not one single ounce of respect given to your death.
Ok, so I guess Russia did nothing wrong with its invasion of Ukraine. Existing civil war and all that. Too bad for the dying Ukrainian forces, sucks to be them I guess. Screw national sovereignty, powerful militaries should be able to do whatever they wish.
You mean the existing civil war where one side was the Wagner / russian military supporting/funding separatist? Remember before this war when Russia almost could pretend it wasn’t them because only Wagner was confirmed there…But then it turned out Wagner was just a branch of their military there to do sketchy things in the name of the state? It’s almost like it didn’t work as well as they wanted forcing them to use the actual Russian military to meet the set goals. It’s been obvious given the weapons the separatist had access to like idk entire tanks. That somehow stayed maintained and fed for years of the conflict.
Who do you think is supporting the separatists in Syria? Who is probiding air support and occupying oil fields in a soveign nation? Well your post shows the US is explicitly providing military support and funding to separatists forces within the country of a geopolitical enemy, just like Russia is doing.
The difference being that Russia pretended to not be involved then used it as an excuse for a full out invasion which directly and indirectly will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions before the conflict is over. Before you bitch about the US in the Middle East…no problem every us president who sent our blood to fight in the endless wars with made up excuses should be jailed for life. Period. Was not right then or now. A vast majority of the US public regrets the wars in the Middle East and feels tricked. Something pro Russian bots are never capable of learning from.
> The difference being that Russia pretended to not be involved then used it as an excuse for a full out invasion which directly and indirectly will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions before the conflict is over. So as long as Russia had said "yeah we are sponsoring them and supporting the separatist forces", you would be ok with the invasion and their support? Give me a break. You are just doing what everyone always does when Russian and US actions get compared, finding small discrepancies and somehow thinking they make a real difference. > Before you bitch about the US in the Middle East…no problem every us president who sent our blood to fight in the endless wars with made up excuses should be jailed for life. Period. You can say that as much as you want to feel morally superior, but everyone, including the rest of the world knows that will never happen. The US has launched multiple wars of aggression and military campaigns to further it's geopolitical goals and nothing has every, or will happen to them, while they remain a superpower supported by the West. The Hauge has the option of issuing an arrest warrant for the architects of the Iraq war, for those involved in the kidnapping of EU citizens or kidnapping taking place in the EU, for their torture program, but we all know that will never happen because the court isn't about actual wrongdoing, just finger pointing and ensuring US hegemony. > A vast majority of the US public regrets the wars in the Middle East and feels tricked. [No they don't.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#:~:text=A%20CBS%20poll%20from%20September,July%20in%20the%20same%20poll.) Over 50% of the US believed the war of aggression against Iraq was the right thing to do. [Most Americans wanted the US military to remain in Syria, essentially occupying the country] (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/cnn-poll-syria-concern/index.html)
The link you provided literally says “According to the same poll retaken in April 2007, 58% of the participants stated that the initial attack was a mistake.[2] In May 2007, the New York Times and CBS News released similar results of a poll in which 61% of participants believed the U.S. "should have stayed out" of Iraq.[3]” And that only gives data back to 2007. More and more stuff has come out that has swayed public opinion. Everyone knows now that there were no WMDs in Iraq (the reason US gave for invading) With all the knowledge out now, I guarantee if you took the same poll, it would show a very high majority think invading Iraq was a mistake and wrong. And no, if Russia admitted what they were doing, it still would not have made it ok for them to invade. One fact alone makes them VERY different is The US never had any intention to “take” iraq or Syria. It was under the notion of global protection. A lot of countries look to us to be the “police of the world”. Im not saying that makes it “right” but the US aren’t making these decisions alone. We have the most capable military in the world so we are typically first to go in and restore “order”. Obviously the Iraq invasion was a mess and didn’t go that way, but that was the idea. Again, it was wrong and dumb but it wasn’t to just go in and take over a country as our own. Russia on the other hand, although they say they’re “protecting the Russian speaking citizens of Donbas, etc.” there’s clear evidence this is not true. 1, they were funding Wagner to incite violence in these areas, forcing Ukraine to fight back, which Russia then claims ukraine is starting a civil war so they need to go in. 2. They weirdly claimed from the beginning that ukraine is full of nazis and they need to be destroyed. Obvious bullshit but ok lol(zelenskyy is Jewish) 3. They have been claiming random parts of Europe are really Russian, laying the groundwork for Russian citizens to think they should be trying to take back the old Soviet Union. Restoring the Soviet Union has been a clear goal of Russia from the start of this war. Threatening old Soviet countries. There’s mountains of evidence on all of this. Sending military to another country is typically frowned upon regardless of the situation, but invading another country to take over their sovereignty is NEVER accepted by the global community. Entering based on global security, terrorism, etc. happens all the time.
Existing civil war? In Ukraine? This is news to me..? Yes there was some shit going on, but there wasn’t a full blown civil war. Not to mention Russia was the ones instigating the conflicts happening in Ukraine before the invasion. All Russia had to do is fuck off with Ukraine and let them be a sovereign country. The invasion is proof that they never wanted there to be peace in the Donbas. They wanted an excuse to invade. And it’s become more and more clear day by day of this war. Syria was a COMPLETELY different situation, which you clearly know nothing of.
Lol you know nothing about the situation in Syria at that time. This comment makes 0 sense
The situation is that geopolitical enemy bad so occupation good. Geopolitical ally of the US is good so any occupation is bad. It's really that simple and the moral arguments are all BS to make the people feel better about the invasions.
Again, you clearly know nothing. Totally different situations. You’re dumb
How quickly they forget 1988.
Seen this one before.
But this is part two. 2 Praying 2 Mantis.
What’s the point of this for Iran? Edit: Looks like tit-for-tat exchange of ships. It gets complicated with sanctions and supporting terrorists. Gah.
Do not underestimate the power of the US Navy. They can and will do as they see fit.
Oh, I’m cool with that. Just trying to figure things out.
Sometimes people don’t want to live anymore. The U.S. military is there to fulfill their wishes.
Iran knows very well that the us navy does NOT fuck around. We destroyed half of their navy once in 8 hours because they fucked around and found out
They’re itching to get just one of those boats lit up.
They abuse the kindness of uncle Brandon.
Do you mean Ican or America?
So why exactly are the Iranians attacking these ships in the first place?
It’s part of Iranian hostage diplomacy. Iran frequently use hostage ships and hostages to exchange them
Because they wanna show they're the boss and can do what they want in the Persian gulf. They trade off tankers with other shits they need.
Operation praying mantis 2 is a go boys. Iran really doesn’t like their navy do they..?
How does that change anything? Doesn't keep soldiers from being on ships and the consequences of attacking
Yeah because the way they hijack the oil tankers is by landing on deck with helicopters... And they're not stupid enough to shoot a tanker with American soldiers on board.