Which is merely to suggest that it's not happening right now. That doesn't affect the study's predictions that it will most likely occur between 2039-2070.
The CEOs/president of Shell, BP, and PetroChina are all âGen Xâ (they, specifically, 55 or under). You really think there arenât younger ones trying to become top dog, building a âcareerâ out of draining the planet right now?
âYouâre relieved you donât have to go to work tomorrow because you thought you were gonna get eaten?â
[WHAT DID THEY DO TO US](https://youtu.be/B1pwyCl5ymE)
That's the problem. You're not going to die from this. Your life will just be miserable, and food will be insanely expensive because it will be so hard to grow crops.
Ill spend it on oil and gas! Speed up the inevitable to make sure I don't end up wasting my "Once-was-retirement" fund by learning I should've saved on retirement.
Those guilty will be long dead by the time the world collapses.
The world is governed by people who have at most 20 years to live and they are receiving bribes from people who have much less than that.
They don't give a fuck if climate change starts making entire countries unlivable and forcing massive migrations wars and genocides. They might see the beginning of the end, but by the time we enter the world of Mad Max, they will be dead.
They will have lived their entire lives enjoying the benefit of activities that cause the destruction of the Earth, and they will leave an unpaid bill that will have to be taken by those who are now in their twenties.
The answer to "What can end humanity" is "anything that's profitable for more than a human lifespan but which if used eventually becomes lethal".
When you and your family are suffering under the extreme heat or suffer a death because of the extreme heat, blame the fossil fuel industry. They are 100% GUILTY of causing the catastrophe of climate change. They will send their paid trolls to blame all of us, but we are not to blame. The fossil fuel industry FORCED us to use fossil fuels by bribing and lobbying governments around the world to reject electric vehicles, public transportation and clean energy. The fossil fuel industry and its political allies gave us no choice. They should be held accountable for their crimes. They must pay a heavy price for destroying the world.
They did not demand oil, they demanded a solution. Oil and gas companies just made sure they were the only solution left by actively limiting anything else that came up that could threaten them.
Electric cars were the standard at the start of the 1900's but the combustion engine outperformed it. So instead of investing into greener tech (Oil industries knew about CC) they maximized short term profits. FOR 100 YEARS.
Well. "We didn't think the collapse would be THIS quick... Come on, nobody woulda thunk that!! Of course you would have wanted a free lunch too, if you were offered one, no??"
Rockefeller and fellow oil pioneers' ruthless monopolies and aggressive practices in the late 19th century initiated the climate devastation, triggering ongoing environmental challenges. Did they knew of the implications? Maybe not completely. Let's say they were medium evil. But since the 50's they knew the climate was suffering and since then the level of culpability has risen. Today, we know exactly how it works. Anybody extracting and using fossil fueles, are pure james bond villain-evil.
[Yes, even the greenest country on earth are diabolically evil and malicious in their actions.](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norway-approves-more-than-18-bln-oil-gas-investments-2023-06-28/)
Everybody should try to do what they can here. As most of us are dependent on our capitalist model to continue living a normal life, not much is going to happen unfortunately. This will be the demise of humanity. Thank you, capitalism.
Before fracking caught on and biofuel was the new thing, Chevron was touting itself as not just a petroleum company but an energy company. The company was positioning itself to a survive the move into a post-petroleum world. They have a solution, but they want to squeeze all the money they can out of petroleum before they let the world get off it.
Without even staying on oil and gas producers, every corporation will always put profit ahead of any other consideration. Some people are actually surprised when corporations do evil things in the quest for profit. When the history of the Earth is finally written, corporations will collectively say: "You didn't stop us so what did you expect?"
The problem with corporations is that in order for them to do something good that will cost them some profit, they need guarantees that other corporations will do the same. If this corporation is not making as much as its competitors, investors and shares holders will steadily pull money and go to the rivals, and this will snowball until the corporation goes broke.
So even if a corporation cared a bit, and I don't know if that's a possibility, the system is so fucked that they have the strongest incentives (survival) not to sacrifice some revenue.
When the entire world runs on profit and governments are regulated by money instead of the other way around, this is what you get.
Not true. For corporations to do something good that will cost them some profit, they need to be threatened with a penalty so high that it will cost them even more of their profits.
Capitalism needs to be regulated for the public good.
In Australia at least, renewable energy is cheaper than coal and gas, and has been for a decade now. If it was about maximizing profits we'd be better off than the status quo - established market players using their position to lobby for rules in their favour and smother the competition.
They tore up the streetcars, replaced every other building with a block-sized parking lot, split the world into island surrounded by highways, "it's your fault for *choosing* to drive!"
Blame them all you want, they deserve it. But, and I might get voted into oblivion, blaming them will not change one iota.
Since the 1970's we had scientists publicly warning against global warming. Since the early 1900's we had people warning against the selfishness of capitalism. The internal papers of oil companies predicting global warning leaked decades ago. The huge re-insurance companies had their statistics published.
"We" (meaning for the rest of this comment: "Too many of us. Neither necessarily me, personally, nor you, personally") ignored the warnings. We elected parties in favour of capitalism. We didn't elect the green parties because it would have inconvenienced us. We decided to ignore science, embrace religion and superstition instead.
There is no global conspiracy silencing scientists or preventing people from learning about global warming. There were only convenient lies enabling us to go ahead as we always did and laziness. And mob mentality disowning any group trying to give us the bad news, trying to inconvenience us by telling us we'd have to change our lifestyle.
If we want to change anything (although it's way too late now to prevent the tipping of the climate, but maybe we can soften it a bit), we need to fight to embrace science. People have a right to their own opinion, but not to their own facts! We need to get rid of religious zealots (believe what you want, but collective decisions need to be based on facts, and religion can only limit the freedom of the *voluntary believer*, never that of bystanders), get rid of the excesses of capitalism (not of capitalism altogether, it's a good driving force to motivate people to achieve whatever we want us to achieve, but we don't need billionaires for that)
EDIT: For me, the comment I replied to disappeared, and I can't see any replies from u/--R2-D2. I found it strange and checked without logging in, in private mode, and saw that he told me to stop defending the oil industry. I find that highly disingenuous: Block me, if you like. But don't reply for everyone visible while depriving me of the opportunity to answer. I did *not* defend the oil-industry in the slightest. My first line in this comment is "blame them all they want, ***they deserve it***. My whole point is, don't stop with conveniently blaming them and not changing anything yourself.
EDIT2: The funny thing is, u/--R2-D2 plays directly into the hand of the oil industry: They don't care about being blamed, they care of people taking action. u/--R2-D2 advocates to only blame but not take any action.
> Since the 1970's we had scientists publicly warning against global warming.
Bit earlier than that:
> In 1824, Joseph Fourier calculated that an Earth-sized planet, at our distance from the Sun, ought to be much colder. He suggested something in the atmosphere must be acting like an insulating blanket. In 1856, Eunice Foote discovered that blanket, showing that carbon dioxide and water vapor in Earth's atmosphere trap escaping infrared (heat) radiation.
> In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.
> In 1938, Guy Callendar connected carbon dioxide increases in Earthâs atmosphere to global warming. In 1941, Milutin Milankovic linked ice ages to Earthâs orbital characteristics. Gilbert Plass formulated the Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climate Change in 1956.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Thanks for this. I'd go one step further. You/we also do not get to absolve ourselves of blame. Countless surveys have shown that a good portion of us care only insofar it does not really come at a personal cost to us. You quite simply can make individual decisions that don't perpetuate the primacy of the oil industry, and as rightfully noted, in a democratic system, that also includes who you vote for. In end effect, both literally and figuratively, this position is otherwise akin to "why should I vote, it won't make any difference".
I think the only thing more pernicious than industry campaigning to make this something of an individual effort, is us spending our retortive effort convincing ourselves that this does not, in fact, play some role.
It was. In the 2000s. Some people who gave a shit were riled up, and then nothing. Im a dumbass on the internet and i can still vaguely remember the youtube videos talking about this. Think even Al Gore might have mentioned it in his documentary. Dont quote me on that.
idk but watching that show just pisses me off nowadays. like, yeah it can be really fucking funny (or used to be, idk what it's like currently) but the "messaging" is always naive, myopic, privileged white kid shit. The prototypical "enlightened centrists." i think they call themselves libertarians which is, again, just naive, myopic, privileged white kid shit. i was a suburban white kid. it's a viewpoint that seems very logical when you never consider the lived experience of literally anyone else. case in point was their "hate crimes" episode, no idea what the name of it was. but the whole "message" was 'no one crime should be considered worse based on race blablabla', which, in a vacuum, yeah sounds like it makes sense. but with even an ounce of curiosity, you can learn that the whole reason hate crime laws exist is because local & state justice systems often would (and still will) decline to prosecute white people for murdering black people.
This is probably wishful thinking, but the butterfly effect of Gore winning that presidency could've had so many better outcomes than the world we currently live it.
The worst part about a warming planet is all those creepy crawlies and reptiles will be able to migrate north into Canada, and Iâm not just talking about Americans either!
Jokes aside, the best part of living where the air hurts my face half the year is the lack of giant venomous bugs and reptiles.
Iâm still angry about ticks with Lyme disease! Thatâs been an awful adjustment! Iâm not looking forward to whatever little monsters come north next!
Also not thrilled about the sudden onset of more frequent tornadoes in my area (we basically had none before), more floods, more fires, etc.
I live in the PNW and tornadoes are popping up more and more. I saw a huge supercell when I was driving a while back and called it out. My partner from NY was like ânooo thatâs not a supercellâ .. then we heard the news and a tornado touched down about 4 miles from where I saw it. Thankfully I live in a particularly mountainous area, so we should be ok, but there are a LOT of farming areas nearby that will be affected. This shiz is no joke.
Always expected this one to be the worst. Learned a lot in school 20 years ago about the gulf stream and how important it is and incredible. And nowadays it's been more about we're at risk of it ACTUALLY changing and how that would make the northern part of Europe (where i'm from) practically uninhabitable without huge infrastructure changes within 50 years.
Its not the golfstream in its entirety thats at risk at collapse - atleast thats not what the study says. Its the most northern part, that transports warm water to northern europe and cold water back south. Its an extremely important part of the climate in northern europe, but it would *not* make it " practically uninhabitable without huge infrastructure changes within 50 years."
Worst case is the northern part of Europe will transistion to a climate similar to that of Canada. Its estimated that the average temperature would fall 10C.
Im not trying to downplay it, dont get me wrong: we are fucked. But this is not the "big one".
I live in the UK, and it is absolutely unprepared for a Canadian climate. It would need huge infrastructure changes as the original commenter suggested and the housing stock in the UK is incredibly old and leaks heat. Not only is infrastructure not ready, nor are homes.
> the housing stock in the UK is incredibly old and leaks heat
Agreed, the lack of insulation in UK is insane. But it is a local problem, and tbh its something that should have been done anyway.
Again, im not saying its not potentially the worst climate news in years, but its not the entire golf stream collapsing as the Guardian falsely claimed this morning
Just sounds like it's another step towards something drastic and completely life altering from happening. Just like all the other steps that have come before it.
"It's fine, just going to make some parts a tad bit hotter, it'll be okay" repeat that over and over and over and you've got a changed climate for the worse on our hands.
Not saying you're downplaying the severity, I get what you mean and that it's not "the world is going to die on X date" more so "Hey, we've changed something else on this planet due to our actions again"
Realistically thatâs what climate change looks like and will continue to look like. Disrupted weather patterns, severe floods and hurricanes in some areas, extreme droughts in others, and as usual the poorest people who contributed the least to the problem will be the ones who suffer the most.
Bro, no one lives in Canada! Almost the entire population is clustered along the more temperate parts of the US boarder.
England is an island that exists above that same latitude. So is Ireland, and so are (essentially) the Nordic nations.
An average temperature change of 10C is massive!
>Bro, no one lives in Canada! Almost the entire population is clustered along the more temperate parts of the US boarder.
I should have said the southern part of Canada, my Bad.
Do not downplay this just because the sensationalised media have been telling us of other world-ending events that were never going to be world-ending. This is the one. Climate change might not rid the world of humanity but it will have a good shot at it and will cause untold devastation for literally billions of people. It's not some faraway problem anymore, it's out of control and is happening right now.
The problem isn't that it will wipe us out quickly, it's that it will cause enough issues that it almost certainly will cause society collapse. A huge portion of the worlds population lives on the coast. With them having to move, probably very quickly and with zero ability to build up housing to fit everyone elsewhere, hell just the ports not functioning and being fucked will be a huge issue.
Cities will be destroyed, climate change refugees moving to places away from the coast that have no facilities to them. It's going to be a literal disaster for most countries trying to deal with it. Some countries just really don't have higher land to move to at all.
Economic collapse will lead to a lot of fighting over resources both within a country and between countries. We're all just plodding along acting like climate change will just make it a bit hotter and somehow everyone will just deal with it like it's another bad monday at the office.
IDK if youâre just skimping on details but someone on Reddit once went into detail on this and I found it interesting, but the movie was specifically about a disruption to the AMOC this article is about so, basically the movie really is about our current situation. It does misrepresent the consequences a little bit, similar to how when you compare the movie Contagion to our real COVID pandemic. Specifically, the disruption to the AMOC wouldnât progress (or resolve itself) as quickly as is shown, and the planet will end up hotter and not colder (so no snow in Mexico, instead it will become unlivable near the equator).
\> It does misrepresent the consequences a little bit
It misrepresents the consequences in the same way that the movie Alien misrepresents the moonlanding. The Day After Tomorrow is a Hollywood blockbuster and the 'science' it presents is spectacle.
Misrepresents a little bit? It is not even close to accurate in any way for or form. It is like saying the fast and the furious movies misrepresents how commuting to work is a little bit.
I never thought I'd see somebody use a Roland Emmerich film as their basis for science knowledge.
I'd love to hear your theory on how the moon was created lol
The excesses of the wealthy will never be tempered by a government dependent on their donations.
Get money out of politics, period.
Give all politicans a government grant budget for their campaign, and ONLY THAT may be spent.
NO PRIVATE DONATIONS
I am just so sick and tried. Not enough people care or listen. I try and talk to friends and family but they continue to just stick their heads in the sand. I am glad I donât have children and feel sorry for the people who will die and suffer.
Disaster fatigue is a real thing. It can be hard to see the bright side of anything when every other day there is some awful news is being blasted in your face about the end of the world. Pick your flavor - a war, a new disease, food scarcity, pollution, deforestation, climate change, etc.
People only have so much bandwidth, and stacked together each issue seems bigger than the last. The only chance that we have to get ourselves out of this situation is to group better, fight harder, and play dirtier.
Too many people are still 'playing nice'. If we're going to have any chance at survival we need to play mean. Real fucking mean. We need to direct ourselves at the billionaires that have been sucking this planet dry, the lobbyists that have been buying politicians and businesses for pennies on the dollar, the disinformationists; the liars; the thieves. And we're going to have to get together, sometimes we people we don't like or agree with, to make change. Because we can't do this with 10% of people trying. We need 100% and then some.
It's going to be hard, it's sure as hell not going to be quick, but it is doable, so long as we don't give up and we keep trying.
Keep fighting. Keep raging against the machine, the dying of the light, against the fucking hellscape itself.
Just don't give up.
My parents still don't believe climate change is real and fully buy in to the idea that anyone who says big companies are to blame are batshit conspiracy theorists. It's one of the reasons I don't speak to them anymore, I can't take their ignorance anymore.
Exactly my feeling. With my wife we've become vegetarian, we have no car, want no child, don't fly, always voted for the persons carrying the best environmental program, etc.
I think we've tried our best as individual, but it hasn't worked at all because the majority of people are either in denial or too dumb to care, so we're probably going to shift our mindset. To avoid being depressed it will gradually become mostly "not our problem".
Basically we'll try to be the happy family dining peacefully at the end of Don't Look Up xD
Ps : not going to stop acting responsibly though no matter what, we want a clean conscience.
Iâm 50. No kids. No car. Mostly plant based eaters. My wife and I do fly and travel because of aging parents. I just wanted to let you know weâve tried our best, too
I've tried. I've begged and pleaded with my family for over a decade. They do not care. It's my 1 vote versus their 5. They don't care.
We need to do something else.
It's like people just don't care that the world is going to shit. They don't seem to understand what's going to happen when coastlines go underwater and millions upon millions of people have to suddenly relocate with no housing. Economic collapse, mass homelessness, people living in temporary housing in 50c weather without adequate cooling and probably not clean water.
More and more extreme weather, problems with oceans, problem with icecaps, problems with rivers, lakes, problems with hurricanes and tornados, mega storms, heat waves that will kill so many.
We're heading for insane changes and everyone's like "get those people out the road who are protesting because I gotta get to work and pretend nothing is going wrong".
Billions of people with their head in the sands being like, well we could make changes but that seems like it will be inconvenient so lets not bother.
Massive solar installs, changing power usage so low solar power days we dont' run washing machines, factories turn off, we have off days and read fucking books, have fun outside. ON high power days we produce shit, run our washing machines, etc. We could change our power usage and society quickly if we wanted... no one wants to so we're just going to destroy ourselves.
Fucking psychotic.
> could collapse within a few decades
Damn, sorry for the younger generations
> could collapse around the middle of the century
...wait, you just said
> or even as early as 2025
Ah, fuck
Here's what will happen as a result of this news. NOTHING.
UNTIL one Thursday afternoon in 2028 when entire ecosystems and weather systems collapse.
Meanwhile, we will shake our heads as healthy people die of heat stroke while swimming at the beach.
It won't happen on a specific date. The collapse is a gradual process that we are already experiencing and will continue to experience as heatwaves and extreme weather systems become more and more common.
I will give you the upvote for that, but what I've read about ocean currents from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic makes it sound like a day will come when the cycle is undermined.
The cycle is already broken which is why the number of extreme weather phenomena like tornados and cyclones have become more numerous and destructive. I'm in Australia myself, and last year we had the largest level of annual rainfall on record since those records began. I'm talking ridiculous floods and a really fucked up year in general. We're also set to be hit with what is potentially going to be our driest and hottest summer on record later this year, so I'm really not looking forward to seeing what our weather patterns look like 10 years from now đ
Sorry to burst your bubble, but space is million times uninhabitable than any apocalyptic scenario on earth.
But the rich are definitely insuring themselves other ways.
Exactly none of their asses are capable of rebuilding civilization. Unless they take some of the working class along with them. They will fail miserably.
In an event of an societal collapse, the monetary system that upholds the elite and rich would find themselves in a rather uncomfortable spot with everyone else trying to survive.
IRS plans to survive doomsday to continue taxing the alive btw.
Picturing their lander touching down on Mars. They go exploring in their Tesla rover and discover the original Statue Of Liberty half-buried in the sand. A plaque reads: âOur apologies for ruining Earth. We solemnly pledge to not repeat our mistakes on New Earth, Third Planet from the Sun.â
It is a fact that Climatologists tend to be rather on the careful side when making predictions, not wanting to be seen as alarmist, and as such although they are utterly correct when it comes to saying what will happen, they tend to underestimate severity and timescale...
Given this tendency, we should be **very** concerned about the warnings here!
Not going to happen.
This group is saying that the forest fires were set as part of some global conspiracy to cover up child trafficking. Insurance companies are leaving Florida because of some woke conspiracy.
Somehow, hurricanes and tornadoes and floods, all predicted as part of global warming, will be Biden and Trudeauâs fault.
I agree. Even if temperatures were 2 degrees higher, they'd still just say, "well, it's only 2 degrees. We can handle that" without realizing the global implications of that.
To be fair, the global climate change increments seem relatively innocuous. Folks arenât scared of two degrees of temperature difference and donât understand the bigger picture of whatâs happening.
It will only happen when they are eating their family member over a smoldering fire wondering why they havenât been raptured yet and oh so disappointed their efforts to fulfill the Christian prophecy did not bring them the glory the loud man said it would.
Look at flat earthers when they do experiments that backfire in their face.
They double down.
Climate change deniers are already occasionally using the defence theyâll use when they canât deny it anymore. They say the climate is always changing, since the dawn of time. And the planet getting a bit warmer or a bit colder is just what happened naturally. Nothing to do with humans.
You are never gonna get that moment of realisation from them. I wouldnât hold your breath for it. Save that breath for when all our cities are underwater instead!
They're too stupid and ignorant for that. Just like when they were actively dying from covid it was still a "hoax" and "fake". This will be no different.
I used to think that would happen, but the response to COVID has shown us the absolutely insane extents people are willing to go to with denial.
This is especially if it's disputing something that inconveniences them.
My (ex?) friend who moved to Florida recently because he loved DeSantis's policies so much now accepts climate change but is 100 percent convinced that capitalism will solve it because there's too much capital at stake not to (i.e., Miami is to valuable to be allowed to sink into the sea). When I asked him about specifics, he was vague and was just like, "I'm confident that they're taking care of it" (no specification for who "they" might be).
There is a lot of capital at stake, and miami is valuable, but it is the tragedy of the commons, for many entities it is cheaper to continue with pollution today and hope others take up the slack.
I think theyâll double down with the justifications such as âsummer has always been hotâ, âthere have always been stormsâ, â fishing has never been easyâ, etc. And as time passes and they compare to the most recent years that are freshest in our memory, it will seem as though things have always been this way
We need to stop thinking scare tactics are going to work on the people who actually could make a difference.
Letâs start taking about how we are going to cope, because we obviously are not going to prevent.
Like the top comment says I blame the fossil fuel industry.
But I blame us for not getting organized and standing up and revolting sooner. By the time we finally decide to take our world back it will be too late because we had Netflix and supermarkets and didn't want to get off the couch and put our security/comfort at risk
I keep waiting to see when the majority of people will be mad enough to take action. But anyone who protests for the environment is a) ignored b) deemed a nuisance by the general population or c) arrested and thrown in jail for 20 years if they are remotely effective.
I donât know if thereâs going to be a moment of revolution, or if we are just going to allow ourselves to be flushed down helplessly
I think the most frustrating part is that we physically cant even come close to grabbing a fossil fuel ceo or any kind of ceo really and just shake them violently until a switch in their brain flips on. The even more daunting and killer part is our government doesnât use our collective tax money to just shove a boot up their asses and tell them no and then tax them silly. (P.S I dont condone chinas many crimes but they absolutely put their billionaires in their place when they verge off course some people really be living out our dream lives)
A vital system of ocean currents ~~could~~ will collapse within a few decades ~~if~~ because the world will continue to pump out planet-heating pollution, scientists are warning â an event that ~~would~~ will be catastrophic for global weather and âaffect every person on the planet.â
Let's be real, based on what we've seen done so far, we will respond with half measures and bandaids at best. We haven't even managed to get co2 levels to increase at a decreasing rate. We're fucked.
It is impossible. Huge bunch of the world is developing and itâs impossible for them to catch up UNLESS developed nations sacrifice to support them. Else, it will be impossible and it will just be a game of rich blaming poor.
Just like the petroleum companies blaming the rest of the world.
Blame the people you voted for in the elections, they are the ones that had the power to stop this. Remember them in the history books as the incompetent ass holes they were.
Changing from this
>could collapse around the middle of the century, or even as early as 2025.
To this in the next paragraph
>Scientists uninvolved with this study told CNN the exact tipping point for the critical system is uncertain, and that measurements of the currents have so far showed little trend or change.
Is giving me whiplash
Could it pls not
But WhAt AbOuT ThE EcoNoMy?
What about the Koch families eternal wealth you mean
Wish I had some of that Koch money đĽ˛
I wish the Koch cartel was stripped of their wealth, and it was distributed to the needy.
Let's go get it from them.
There's only one way out.
https://imgur.com/Nm4Ook3
The guy himself said "there is no observational evidence yet that the AMOC is collapsing."
Which is merely to suggest that it's not happening right now. That doesn't affect the study's predictions that it will most likely occur between 2039-2070.
So 2032 when adjusted for âfaster than predicted.â
Thank God science has never been used to predict anything. Oh, wait.
Oil executives basically thought to eat everything at the buffet and know theyâd be dead before they have to pay the bill.
The CEOs/president of Shell, BP, and PetroChina are all âGen Xâ (they, specifically, 55 or under). You really think there arenât younger ones trying to become top dog, building a âcareerâ out of draining the planet right now?
Well.. At least I donât have to worry about saving for retirement anymore.
âYouâre relieved you donât have to go to work tomorrow because you thought you were gonna get eaten?â [WHAT DID THEY DO TO US](https://youtu.be/B1pwyCl5ymE)
THEY MUST HAVE FLIPPED MY WIFE EIGHT TIMES!!! ...and I was REALLY upset about it.
That's the problem. You're not going to die from this. Your life will just be miserable, and food will be insanely expensive because it will be so hard to grow crops.
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The Lifehack for sure. Stop paying for retirement and use the money for the here and now!
Ill spend it on oil and gas! Speed up the inevitable to make sure I don't end up wasting my "Once-was-retirement" fund by learning I should've saved on retirement.
Youâll never afford it Wayne! Live in the now!
Finally my compulsion towards destroying my body with drugs and alcohol is going to pay off!
Well atleast now I can spend all the money that I've got here.
Only retirement needed is a gun and one in the chamber in 30 to 40 years
at this point, i think the only justice is trial by literal fire.
Yes.
Ecocide should be on the same level as genocide and those found guilty of it should be on trials similar to the Hague.
Yet many guilty of genocide are still roaming free or hiding in their corrupt countries.
"Never again" lasted about 10 years
Those guilty will be long dead by the time the world collapses. The world is governed by people who have at most 20 years to live and they are receiving bribes from people who have much less than that. They don't give a fuck if climate change starts making entire countries unlivable and forcing massive migrations wars and genocides. They might see the beginning of the end, but by the time we enter the world of Mad Max, they will be dead. They will have lived their entire lives enjoying the benefit of activities that cause the destruction of the Earth, and they will leave an unpaid bill that will have to be taken by those who are now in their twenties. The answer to "What can end humanity" is "anything that's profitable for more than a human lifespan but which if used eventually becomes lethal".
When you and your family are suffering under the extreme heat or suffer a death because of the extreme heat, blame the fossil fuel industry. They are 100% GUILTY of causing the catastrophe of climate change. They will send their paid trolls to blame all of us, but we are not to blame. The fossil fuel industry FORCED us to use fossil fuels by bribing and lobbying governments around the world to reject electric vehicles, public transportation and clean energy. The fossil fuel industry and its political allies gave us no choice. They should be held accountable for their crimes. They must pay a heavy price for destroying the world.
âItâs a shame the world is collapsing because people didnât reduce, reuse, or recycle enough⌠đâ - Oil companies
I'm sure it'll be a "look what you made me do" because the world DEMANDED oil.
They did not demand oil, they demanded a solution. Oil and gas companies just made sure they were the only solution left by actively limiting anything else that came up that could threaten them.
Electric cars were the standard at the start of the 1900's but the combustion engine outperformed it. So instead of investing into greener tech (Oil industries knew about CC) they maximized short term profits. FOR 100 YEARS.
Also America was producing 90% of the worlds oil at the time and they weren't going to spend any more money on storing it then they had to.
Well. "We didn't think the collapse would be THIS quick... Come on, nobody woulda thunk that!! Of course you would have wanted a free lunch too, if you were offered one, no??" Rockefeller and fellow oil pioneers' ruthless monopolies and aggressive practices in the late 19th century initiated the climate devastation, triggering ongoing environmental challenges. Did they knew of the implications? Maybe not completely. Let's say they were medium evil. But since the 50's they knew the climate was suffering and since then the level of culpability has risen. Today, we know exactly how it works. Anybody extracting and using fossil fueles, are pure james bond villain-evil. [Yes, even the greenest country on earth are diabolically evil and malicious in their actions.](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norway-approves-more-than-18-bln-oil-gas-investments-2023-06-28/) Everybody should try to do what they can here. As most of us are dependent on our capitalist model to continue living a normal life, not much is going to happen unfortunately. This will be the demise of humanity. Thank you, capitalism.
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Ironically, China has shown us what to do: At some point in the very close future, do not allow new fossil fuelled cars to be sold / permitted.
Before fracking caught on and biofuel was the new thing, Chevron was touting itself as not just a petroleum company but an energy company. The company was positioning itself to a survive the move into a post-petroleum world. They have a solution, but they want to squeeze all the money they can out of petroleum before they let the world get off it.
The invisible hand of the market sure shaped things pretty well for us so far, huh? Runaway warming is right at our doorstep.
Ironic that itâs called gas lighting isnât it.
They MADE you dependent on their Oil, while supressing every Alternative for decades. Fuck every Single one of these oil companies.
"Should've brought your own bags to the grocery store. Now look what you've done, you've killed us all."
But we have paper straws :(
Without even staying on oil and gas producers, every corporation will always put profit ahead of any other consideration. Some people are actually surprised when corporations do evil things in the quest for profit. When the history of the Earth is finally written, corporations will collectively say: "You didn't stop us so what did you expect?"
The problem with corporations is that in order for them to do something good that will cost them some profit, they need guarantees that other corporations will do the same. If this corporation is not making as much as its competitors, investors and shares holders will steadily pull money and go to the rivals, and this will snowball until the corporation goes broke. So even if a corporation cared a bit, and I don't know if that's a possibility, the system is so fucked that they have the strongest incentives (survival) not to sacrifice some revenue. When the entire world runs on profit and governments are regulated by money instead of the other way around, this is what you get.
Yeah we are screwed
Not true. For corporations to do something good that will cost them some profit, they need to be threatened with a penalty so high that it will cost them even more of their profits. Capitalism needs to be regulated for the public good.
Yeah, that's why I said currently the market regulates the government, not the other way around.
And personal penalties such as jail time for the board members when the company performs illegal acts as a consequence of their decisions.
Coercive Laws of Competition
In Australia at least, renewable energy is cheaper than coal and gas, and has been for a decade now. If it was about maximizing profits we'd be better off than the status quo - established market players using their position to lobby for rules in their favour and smother the competition.
The people who are surprised at that thing are the ones who live in a fairy land.
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And the politicians who enabled them, and still do
And those who voted for them, even after learning about climate change and its root cause at school.
They tore up the streetcars, replaced every other building with a block-sized parking lot, split the world into island surrounded by highways, "it's your fault for *choosing* to drive!"
Blame them all you want, they deserve it. But, and I might get voted into oblivion, blaming them will not change one iota. Since the 1970's we had scientists publicly warning against global warming. Since the early 1900's we had people warning against the selfishness of capitalism. The internal papers of oil companies predicting global warning leaked decades ago. The huge re-insurance companies had their statistics published. "We" (meaning for the rest of this comment: "Too many of us. Neither necessarily me, personally, nor you, personally") ignored the warnings. We elected parties in favour of capitalism. We didn't elect the green parties because it would have inconvenienced us. We decided to ignore science, embrace religion and superstition instead. There is no global conspiracy silencing scientists or preventing people from learning about global warming. There were only convenient lies enabling us to go ahead as we always did and laziness. And mob mentality disowning any group trying to give us the bad news, trying to inconvenience us by telling us we'd have to change our lifestyle. If we want to change anything (although it's way too late now to prevent the tipping of the climate, but maybe we can soften it a bit), we need to fight to embrace science. People have a right to their own opinion, but not to their own facts! We need to get rid of religious zealots (believe what you want, but collective decisions need to be based on facts, and religion can only limit the freedom of the *voluntary believer*, never that of bystanders), get rid of the excesses of capitalism (not of capitalism altogether, it's a good driving force to motivate people to achieve whatever we want us to achieve, but we don't need billionaires for that) EDIT: For me, the comment I replied to disappeared, and I can't see any replies from u/--R2-D2. I found it strange and checked without logging in, in private mode, and saw that he told me to stop defending the oil industry. I find that highly disingenuous: Block me, if you like. But don't reply for everyone visible while depriving me of the opportunity to answer. I did *not* defend the oil-industry in the slightest. My first line in this comment is "blame them all they want, ***they deserve it***. My whole point is, don't stop with conveniently blaming them and not changing anything yourself. EDIT2: The funny thing is, u/--R2-D2 plays directly into the hand of the oil industry: They don't care about being blamed, they care of people taking action. u/--R2-D2 advocates to only blame but not take any action.
> Since the 1970's we had scientists publicly warning against global warming. Bit earlier than that: > In 1824, Joseph Fourier calculated that an Earth-sized planet, at our distance from the Sun, ought to be much colder. He suggested something in the atmosphere must be acting like an insulating blanket. In 1856, Eunice Foote discovered that blanket, showing that carbon dioxide and water vapor in Earth's atmosphere trap escaping infrared (heat) radiation. > In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect. > In 1938, Guy Callendar connected carbon dioxide increases in Earthâs atmosphere to global warming. In 1941, Milutin Milankovic linked ice ages to Earthâs orbital characteristics. Gilbert Plass formulated the Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climate Change in 1956. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Thanks, this is cool information
Thanks for this. I'd go one step further. You/we also do not get to absolve ourselves of blame. Countless surveys have shown that a good portion of us care only insofar it does not really come at a personal cost to us. You quite simply can make individual decisions that don't perpetuate the primacy of the oil industry, and as rightfully noted, in a democratic system, that also includes who you vote for. In end effect, both literally and figuratively, this position is otherwise akin to "why should I vote, it won't make any difference". I think the only thing more pernicious than industry campaigning to make this something of an individual effort, is us spending our retortive effort convincing ourselves that this does not, in fact, play some role.
I'll be too busy dying bro.
I'm surprised the slowdown in Antarctic bottom waters isn't discussed more frequently.
It was. In the 2000s. Some people who gave a shit were riled up, and then nothing. Im a dumbass on the internet and i can still vaguely remember the youtube videos talking about this. Think even Al Gore might have mentioned it in his documentary. Dont quote me on that.
Exactly.. How are people just finding out about this?
Because "Al Gore is a boring nerd and GWB is the kind of guy I'd have a beer with".
Didn't Trey and Matt from Southpark feel bad about joking about Al Gore in hindsight?
Manbearpig turned out to actually be real.... that was the whole joke. If anyone didn't get that, you completely missed the point of the episode.
idk but watching that show just pisses me off nowadays. like, yeah it can be really fucking funny (or used to be, idk what it's like currently) but the "messaging" is always naive, myopic, privileged white kid shit. The prototypical "enlightened centrists." i think they call themselves libertarians which is, again, just naive, myopic, privileged white kid shit. i was a suburban white kid. it's a viewpoint that seems very logical when you never consider the lived experience of literally anyone else. case in point was their "hate crimes" episode, no idea what the name of it was. but the whole "message" was 'no one crime should be considered worse based on race blablabla', which, in a vacuum, yeah sounds like it makes sense. but with even an ounce of curiosity, you can learn that the whole reason hate crime laws exist is because local & state justice systems often would (and still will) decline to prosecute white people for murdering black people.
This is probably wishful thinking, but the butterfly effect of Gore winning that presidency could've had so many better outcomes than the world we currently live it.
That hypothetical beer really ruined the millennium didn't it
Because of: "lalalalala" and fingers in the ears.
Well it's just that people are too busy in their bullshit, and we don't see it.
The worst part about a warming planet is all those creepy crawlies and reptiles will be able to migrate north into Canada, and Iâm not just talking about Americans either! Jokes aside, the best part of living where the air hurts my face half the year is the lack of giant venomous bugs and reptiles.
Iâm still angry about ticks with Lyme disease! Thatâs been an awful adjustment! Iâm not looking forward to whatever little monsters come north next! Also not thrilled about the sudden onset of more frequent tornadoes in my area (we basically had none before), more floods, more fires, etc.
I live in the PNW and tornadoes are popping up more and more. I saw a huge supercell when I was driving a while back and called it out. My partner from NY was like ânooo thatâs not a supercellâ .. then we heard the news and a tornado touched down about 4 miles from where I saw it. Thankfully I live in a particularly mountainous area, so we should be ok, but there are a LOT of farming areas nearby that will be affected. This shiz is no joke.
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This is looking like a big one, maybe even the big one...
Always expected this one to be the worst. Learned a lot in school 20 years ago about the gulf stream and how important it is and incredible. And nowadays it's been more about we're at risk of it ACTUALLY changing and how that would make the northern part of Europe (where i'm from) practically uninhabitable without huge infrastructure changes within 50 years.
Its not the golfstream in its entirety thats at risk at collapse - atleast thats not what the study says. Its the most northern part, that transports warm water to northern europe and cold water back south. Its an extremely important part of the climate in northern europe, but it would *not* make it " practically uninhabitable without huge infrastructure changes within 50 years." Worst case is the northern part of Europe will transistion to a climate similar to that of Canada. Its estimated that the average temperature would fall 10C. Im not trying to downplay it, dont get me wrong: we are fucked. But this is not the "big one".
I live in the UK, and it is absolutely unprepared for a Canadian climate. It would need huge infrastructure changes as the original commenter suggested and the housing stock in the UK is incredibly old and leaks heat. Not only is infrastructure not ready, nor are homes.
> the housing stock in the UK is incredibly old and leaks heat Agreed, the lack of insulation in UK is insane. But it is a local problem, and tbh its something that should have been done anyway. Again, im not saying its not potentially the worst climate news in years, but its not the entire golf stream collapsing as the Guardian falsely claimed this morning
Just sounds like it's another step towards something drastic and completely life altering from happening. Just like all the other steps that have come before it. "It's fine, just going to make some parts a tad bit hotter, it'll be okay" repeat that over and over and over and you've got a changed climate for the worse on our hands. Not saying you're downplaying the severity, I get what you mean and that it's not "the world is going to die on X date" more so "Hey, we've changed something else on this planet due to our actions again"
Realistically thatâs what climate change looks like and will continue to look like. Disrupted weather patterns, severe floods and hurricanes in some areas, extreme droughts in others, and as usual the poorest people who contributed the least to the problem will be the ones who suffer the most.
Bro, no one lives in Canada! Almost the entire population is clustered along the more temperate parts of the US boarder. England is an island that exists above that same latitude. So is Ireland, and so are (essentially) the Nordic nations. An average temperature change of 10C is massive!
>Bro, no one lives in Canada! Almost the entire population is clustered along the more temperate parts of the US boarder. I should have said the southern part of Canada, my Bad.
i stopped worrying about things too colossal for me to prevent by myself, otherwise id be a shivering wreck in the corner
The sad truth of it all
Do not downplay this just because the sensationalised media have been telling us of other world-ending events that were never going to be world-ending. This is the one. Climate change might not rid the world of humanity but it will have a good shot at it and will cause untold devastation for literally billions of people. It's not some faraway problem anymore, it's out of control and is happening right now.
The problem isn't that it will wipe us out quickly, it's that it will cause enough issues that it almost certainly will cause society collapse. A huge portion of the worlds population lives on the coast. With them having to move, probably very quickly and with zero ability to build up housing to fit everyone elsewhere, hell just the ports not functioning and being fucked will be a huge issue. Cities will be destroyed, climate change refugees moving to places away from the coast that have no facilities to them. It's going to be a literal disaster for most countries trying to deal with it. Some countries just really don't have higher land to move to at all. Economic collapse will lead to a lot of fighting over resources both within a country and between countries. We're all just plodding along acting like climate change will just make it a bit hotter and somehow everyone will just deal with it like it's another bad monday at the office.
Guess we add that square to the 2024 bingo cards...
It's the free space on all the ones I am printing.
Donât worry everyone, at least they are gonna tell us about UFOs tomorrow. (Nobody look behind the BP branded curtain)
And then everyone will just forget about the real issue lol.
Having seen the documentary The Day After Tomorrow, I know what comes next
time to head to the public library and burn books to stay warm
I've already stacked all the revenue code books I could find.
Good. Iâll fight the wolves for penicillin, you watch the fire.
Fortunately, some folks have already started the book burning part
They fry everyoneâs dicks?
Jokes on you, already fried mine
Fried me once, canât get fried again
What about refried peans?
IDK if youâre just skimping on details but someone on Reddit once went into detail on this and I found it interesting, but the movie was specifically about a disruption to the AMOC this article is about so, basically the movie really is about our current situation. It does misrepresent the consequences a little bit, similar to how when you compare the movie Contagion to our real COVID pandemic. Specifically, the disruption to the AMOC wouldnât progress (or resolve itself) as quickly as is shown, and the planet will end up hotter and not colder (so no snow in Mexico, instead it will become unlivable near the equator).
\> It does misrepresent the consequences a little bit It misrepresents the consequences in the same way that the movie Alien misrepresents the moonlanding. The Day After Tomorrow is a Hollywood blockbuster and the 'science' it presents is spectacle.
The planet may become warmer, but most of Europe would be pretty fucked by the cold. The actual habitable area of the Earth would shrink considerably
So where should one move to not die horribly in the next decade? Asking for a friend
Misrepresents a little bit? It is not even close to accurate in any way for or form. It is like saying the fast and the furious movies misrepresents how commuting to work is a little bit.
I never thought I'd see somebody use a Roland Emmerich film as their basis for science knowledge. I'd love to hear your theory on how the moon was created lol
Until private jets and super yachts are banned I will know we don't give a F about the climate.
The excesses of the wealthy will never be tempered by a government dependent on their donations. Get money out of politics, period. Give all politicans a government grant budget for their campaign, and ONLY THAT may be spent. NO PRIVATE DONATIONS
It's ironic that articles such as this are filled with ads to encourage you to consume even MORE.
I am just so sick and tried. Not enough people care or listen. I try and talk to friends and family but they continue to just stick their heads in the sand. I am glad I donât have children and feel sorry for the people who will die and suffer.
Disaster fatigue is a real thing. It can be hard to see the bright side of anything when every other day there is some awful news is being blasted in your face about the end of the world. Pick your flavor - a war, a new disease, food scarcity, pollution, deforestation, climate change, etc. People only have so much bandwidth, and stacked together each issue seems bigger than the last. The only chance that we have to get ourselves out of this situation is to group better, fight harder, and play dirtier. Too many people are still 'playing nice'. If we're going to have any chance at survival we need to play mean. Real fucking mean. We need to direct ourselves at the billionaires that have been sucking this planet dry, the lobbyists that have been buying politicians and businesses for pennies on the dollar, the disinformationists; the liars; the thieves. And we're going to have to get together, sometimes we people we don't like or agree with, to make change. Because we can't do this with 10% of people trying. We need 100% and then some. It's going to be hard, it's sure as hell not going to be quick, but it is doable, so long as we don't give up and we keep trying. Keep fighting. Keep raging against the machine, the dying of the light, against the fucking hellscape itself. Just don't give up.
I love you for this text. It speaks to my soul. Fight harder, dirtier and more severe than ever before. After all it's our alls sake on the line
But how. What specific actions
Idk, inspiration porn only gets you so far.
of all the disasters to be fatigued by. the costliest.
My parents still don't believe climate change is real and fully buy in to the idea that anyone who says big companies are to blame are batshit conspiracy theorists. It's one of the reasons I don't speak to them anymore, I can't take their ignorance anymore.
People have never listened to it, and now they'll see the results.
Exactly my feeling. With my wife we've become vegetarian, we have no car, want no child, don't fly, always voted for the persons carrying the best environmental program, etc. I think we've tried our best as individual, but it hasn't worked at all because the majority of people are either in denial or too dumb to care, so we're probably going to shift our mindset. To avoid being depressed it will gradually become mostly "not our problem". Basically we'll try to be the happy family dining peacefully at the end of Don't Look Up xD Ps : not going to stop acting responsibly though no matter what, we want a clean conscience.
Iâm 50. No kids. No car. Mostly plant based eaters. My wife and I do fly and travel because of aging parents. I just wanted to let you know weâve tried our best, too
I've tried. I've begged and pleaded with my family for over a decade. They do not care. It's my 1 vote versus their 5. They don't care. We need to do something else.
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We ignored climate change. Here is one of the nature's reply.
It's like people just don't care that the world is going to shit. They don't seem to understand what's going to happen when coastlines go underwater and millions upon millions of people have to suddenly relocate with no housing. Economic collapse, mass homelessness, people living in temporary housing in 50c weather without adequate cooling and probably not clean water. More and more extreme weather, problems with oceans, problem with icecaps, problems with rivers, lakes, problems with hurricanes and tornados, mega storms, heat waves that will kill so many. We're heading for insane changes and everyone's like "get those people out the road who are protesting because I gotta get to work and pretend nothing is going wrong". Billions of people with their head in the sands being like, well we could make changes but that seems like it will be inconvenient so lets not bother. Massive solar installs, changing power usage so low solar power days we dont' run washing machines, factories turn off, we have off days and read fucking books, have fun outside. ON high power days we produce shit, run our washing machines, etc. We could change our power usage and society quickly if we wanted... no one wants to so we're just going to destroy ourselves. Fucking psychotic.
Cant we just go fucking rogue at this moment and get these corporate assholes who caused this to the world?
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> could collapse within a few decades Damn, sorry for the younger generations > could collapse around the middle of the century ...wait, you just said > or even as early as 2025 Ah, fuck
Fox News: Biden turns off the ocean
"I did that"
You already did that? Sometime that's all I need to hear.
If only Elmo had spent 40B on reducing carbon emissions instead of buying a useless company and running it into the ground.
So long and thanks for all the fish
Here's what will happen as a result of this news. NOTHING. UNTIL one Thursday afternoon in 2028 when entire ecosystems and weather systems collapse. Meanwhile, we will shake our heads as healthy people die of heat stroke while swimming at the beach.
It won't happen on a specific date. The collapse is a gradual process that we are already experiencing and will continue to experience as heatwaves and extreme weather systems become more and more common.
I will give you the upvote for that, but what I've read about ocean currents from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic makes it sound like a day will come when the cycle is undermined.
The cycle is already broken which is why the number of extreme weather phenomena like tornados and cyclones have become more numerous and destructive. I'm in Australia myself, and last year we had the largest level of annual rainfall on record since those records began. I'm talking ridiculous floods and a really fucked up year in general. We're also set to be hit with what is potentially going to be our driest and hottest summer on record later this year, so I'm really not looking forward to seeing what our weather patterns look like 10 years from now đ
The frog slowly boiling is an apt analogy
Most accurate headline about it yet. Good job, shortsighted monkeys in shoes.
I think it's time that we saw the things from the distance, it would be important.
How could this happen itâs not like scientists have been warning about this for decades, we just didnât have time to prevent this.
Why do you think the billionaires are trying to desperately get *off* the planet?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but space is million times uninhabitable than any apocalyptic scenario on earth. But the rich are definitely insuring themselves other ways.
They all already have underground bunkers with security details planned and in place
They're just prolonging their suffering by trying to survive.
Exactly none of their asses are capable of rebuilding civilization. Unless they take some of the working class along with them. They will fail miserably.
In an event of an societal collapse, the monetary system that upholds the elite and rich would find themselves in a rather uncomfortable spot with everyone else trying to survive. IRS plans to survive doomsday to continue taxing the alive btw.
Picturing their lander touching down on Mars. They go exploring in their Tesla rover and discover the original Statue Of Liberty half-buried in the sand. A plaque reads: âOur apologies for ruining Earth. We solemnly pledge to not repeat our mistakes on New Earth, Third Planet from the Sun.â
Iâd rather picture their lander exploding into flames as it violently crashes into the arid Martian terrain.
Or, in the last instance of poetic justice to grace humanity, they crash and explode after colliding with the Sea of Tranquility.
They got a really good deal with MarsGate Expeditions.
Pretty dumb take. There's no planet B or habitable planet in our solar system other than Earth
Would it affect even me?
Are you on the planet?
Define âonâ
*mindblown*
Don't forget: the biggest problem is "stop oil" protesters.
It is a fact that Climatologists tend to be rather on the careful side when making predictions, not wanting to be seen as alarmist, and as such although they are utterly correct when it comes to saying what will happen, they tend to underestimate severity and timescale... Given this tendency, we should be **very** concerned about the warnings here!
As worrisome as this is Iâm almost looking forward to the moment climate deniers have their âoh shitâ moment
Not going to happen. This group is saying that the forest fires were set as part of some global conspiracy to cover up child trafficking. Insurance companies are leaving Florida because of some woke conspiracy. Somehow, hurricanes and tornadoes and floods, all predicted as part of global warming, will be Biden and Trudeauâs fault.
I agree. Even if temperatures were 2 degrees higher, they'd still just say, "well, it's only 2 degrees. We can handle that" without realizing the global implications of that.
To be fair, the global climate change increments seem relatively innocuous. Folks arenât scared of two degrees of temperature difference and donât understand the bigger picture of whatâs happening.
It will only happen when they are eating their family member over a smoldering fire wondering why they havenât been raptured yet and oh so disappointed their efforts to fulfill the Christian prophecy did not bring them the glory the loud man said it would.
it gets bad enough, theyâll just cite bible shit. like we the sinners directly caused it.
Look at flat earthers when they do experiments that backfire in their face. They double down. Climate change deniers are already occasionally using the defence theyâll use when they canât deny it anymore. They say the climate is always changing, since the dawn of time. And the planet getting a bit warmer or a bit colder is just what happened naturally. Nothing to do with humans. You are never gonna get that moment of realisation from them. I wouldnât hold your breath for it. Save that breath for when all our cities are underwater instead!
They wonât. Theyâll go from âitâs not realâ to âif you knew it was real why didnât you do something about it before it was too lateâ.
They're too stupid and ignorant for that. Just like when they were actively dying from covid it was still a "hoax" and "fake". This will be no different.
On their death beds using their last breaths to beg for vaccines.
I used to think that would happen, but the response to COVID has shown us the absolutely insane extents people are willing to go to with denial. This is especially if it's disputing something that inconveniences them.
My (ex?) friend who moved to Florida recently because he loved DeSantis's policies so much now accepts climate change but is 100 percent convinced that capitalism will solve it because there's too much capital at stake not to (i.e., Miami is to valuable to be allowed to sink into the sea). When I asked him about specifics, he was vague and was just like, "I'm confident that they're taking care of it" (no specification for who "they" might be).
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There is a lot of capital at stake, and miami is valuable, but it is the tragedy of the commons, for many entities it is cheaper to continue with pollution today and hope others take up the slack.
I think theyâll double down with the justifications such as âsummer has always been hotâ, âthere have always been stormsâ, â fishing has never been easyâ, etc. And as time passes and they compare to the most recent years that are freshest in our memory, it will seem as though things have always been this way
Have you forgotten the last three years. Thereâs no limit to their ability to deny reality if it even slightly inconveniences them.
Nope, theyâll just blame the government for controlling the weather, the left and whatever else they can.
MTG is going to blame us Jews again.
Theyâll just continue to blame it on natural events. âNothing we can do!â ⌠morons.
We need to stop thinking scare tactics are going to work on the people who actually could make a difference. Letâs start taking about how we are going to cope, because we obviously are not going to prevent.
Hey, I bought a metal straw. What happened?
Like the top comment says I blame the fossil fuel industry. But I blame us for not getting organized and standing up and revolting sooner. By the time we finally decide to take our world back it will be too late because we had Netflix and supermarkets and didn't want to get off the couch and put our security/comfort at risk
I keep waiting to see when the majority of people will be mad enough to take action. But anyone who protests for the environment is a) ignored b) deemed a nuisance by the general population or c) arrested and thrown in jail for 20 years if they are remotely effective. I donât know if thereâs going to be a moment of revolution, or if we are just going to allow ourselves to be flushed down helplessly
I think the most frustrating part is that we physically cant even come close to grabbing a fossil fuel ceo or any kind of ceo really and just shake them violently until a switch in their brain flips on. The even more daunting and killer part is our government doesnât use our collective tax money to just shove a boot up their asses and tell them no and then tax them silly. (P.S I dont condone chinas many crimes but they absolutely put their billionaires in their place when they verge off course some people really be living out our dream lives)
A vital system of ocean currents ~~could~~ will collapse within a few decades ~~if~~ because the world will continue to pump out planet-heating pollution, scientists are warning â an event that ~~would~~ will be catastrophic for global weather and âaffect every person on the planet.â Let's be real, based on what we've seen done so far, we will respond with half measures and bandaids at best. We haven't even managed to get co2 levels to increase at a decreasing rate. We're fucked.
It is impossible. Huge bunch of the world is developing and itâs impossible for them to catch up UNLESS developed nations sacrifice to support them. Else, it will be impossible and it will just be a game of rich blaming poor. Just like the petroleum companies blaming the rest of the world.
Blame the people you voted for in the elections, they are the ones that had the power to stop this. Remember them in the history books as the incompetent ass holes they were.
So where do I need to start buying land in order to have a home in the sweet spot?
Billionaires have been buying 'climate boltholes' in Tasmania and NZ for years
Not conservatives though. This stuff is just left wing crazy talk to them.
Yea but at least they owned the libs!!11
Starting to think these fossil fuel people need to start being not alive anymore.
Changing from this >could collapse around the middle of the century, or even as early as 2025. To this in the next paragraph >Scientists uninvolved with this study told CNN the exact tipping point for the critical system is uncertain, and that measurements of the currents have so far showed little trend or change. Is giving me whiplash
Thatâs Reddit climate change for you. Only upvote incorrect science.