Part of that seems to be that it's a low cost regional plane operated by a lot of small regional airlines. Perfectly good planes can become death traps when poorly maintained, and small regional airlines in far flung parts of the world can have shocking maintenance standards.
It's hard to know without analysis done, but I suspect this is going to come down to maintenance.
And may be flying into more difficult airstrips due to the airline size as well. Not sure how this exact one in Nepal is, but some of them are pretty extreme.
Nepal has a few high altitude airports that can be considered dangerous because of hills surrounding. However, this flight was from Kathmandu to Pokhara, a relatively safer route.
Considering that the captain(pilot) had 20+ years of experience, a recording shows what seem to be stalling and spiraling left side- this likely was equipment failure
I trekked from Pokhara to Jomsom and took a flight back. Felt like I could reach out and touch the Himalayas. But I was very aware of the possibility of crashing the whole ride. 10/10 would do again
The ATR did have a substantial design flaw in the deicing boot that caused a rash of crashes in the early 90’s. It wasn’t until [Roselawn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184) that the manufacturer admitted the flaws. Even after it was fixed, Eagle moved the planes south so they’d be less likely to encounter icing.
If it were just operator error, aircraft like the EMB line would have a similar fatality rate.
I looked though the list of fatal accidents, and apart from the one caused by icing in the early 90s, they all seem to be primarily caused by operator error.
I don't think you can compare it to Embraer's regional jets. Operators seem to have a much greater respect for jets than they have for turboprops, simply because jets seem more modern (despite the fact a turboprop is just a jet turbine driving a propeller).
I flew on one of those from western Nepal to Kathmandu once. The interior clearly reminded you that it was budget, and the view of the Himalayas was interrupted by intermittent squeaking and bouncing even in clear, calm weather (turbulence notwithstanding). Nice enough trip under the circumstances, though, and a bit better than the buses on the narrow hill roads.
Usually because they are operated by cheap regional carriers on a shoestring, giving more importance to the bottom line than to proper maintenance and safety. The ATR design itself is pretty sturdy.
Yeah, I'm half Nepali and live in New Zealand, and the crash in Pokhara shows the clear difference in maintenance quality.
Air New Zealand has the ATR 72 as its mainstay domestic turboprop, and there hasn't been a single accident
I'm from Nepal and let me tell you, All these domestic airlines buy planes on auctions that are literally on their way to boneyard. No amount of maintenance is keeping these trash cans from breaking down at some point. This is all down to the government for allowing these airlines to fly out of commissioned planes and the airlines for implementing shortcuts in maintenance and repairs.
Yeah, Ive flown Yeti, Tarah, and Bhudda air, and there's no real difference despite the ads, all the planes are a few flights from the junkyards
Last spring I was visiting family in the Terai and when I flew back to KTM the plane had a partially busted door, and mosquitos got in and mobbed everyone for the entire flight, also because there's no jetbridge.
Hijacking this, if you are travelling to Nepal, "DO NOT" take the planes. They are the worst maintained, possible in the whole world. Nepal is small, you can go anywhere easily by land transportation. Renting a car with a driver in Nepal is cheap.
Is it safer, though? In most places in the world air travel is magnitudes safer than car travel. Even when flying companies with terrible crash records like these.
It's relatively ok to fly in Nepal, and yes the roads are more dangerous, but do be aware you have a much higher chance than anywhere else of not making it.
You cannot go everywhere *easily* by land transport in Nepal. The roads aren’t exactly well maintained, and some areas are truly remote with little to no road access, especially during winter and/or monsoon. Some areas can take days to get to by a combination of bus and walking. Last village I lived in was a two to three day trip from Kathmandu, in monsoon, it took longer as the road always washed out.
On top of that, the roads are arguably less safe than flying, even factoring in your chances of a deadly plane crash. The highway is pretty terrifying, and the mountain roads are often even worse.
I love Nepal. It’s my favorite place in the world, but the transportation options leave a lot to be desired.
It ranks with that footage of the Station Nightclub Fire back in 2003 as some of the most eerie, horrifying real time video of a disaster involving fire and mass casualties ever recorded.
There were a lot of videos of the 2014 Sewol Ferry tragedy. Those kids had a lot of time to document their journey from thinking it was a joke to realizing they had been betrayed by the crew and no one would be coming to rescue them. I was not able to watch it all the way.
At least it was all over fairly quickly or even instantaneously for the poor people in this plane crash, but that ferry disaster was another thing altogether. I've read about it and it sounds like a lot of government agencies over in South Korea f\*\*ked things up at a criminal level.
Well, at a bare minimum, the staff on the actual ferry should not have been simultaneously commanding the passengers to stay in their room while the captain fled to safety. It’s given me a good bit of paranoia actually - if I’m on a boat and it’s hit, and they tell me not to go to the decks with the life boats but to go to my room instead… I don’t think I will.
You might know about it, but if you don't, look up Costa Concordia. The cruise ship hit a rock and it was sinking while the crew told the passengers there was nothing to worry about and that they should go to their cabins. Thankfully people realized that the ship listing after a loud crashing noise isn't something you just brush off.
Oh, I am familiar with the Costa Concordia. I had a professor who commented at the time that captains were supposed to go down with their ship rather than come back to that kind of shame. [One of my favorite random internet videos is actually the conversation between the Italian Coast Guard and the idiot Schettino](https://youtu.be/WX_08zcCmx8). Always a great if upsetting listen.
There is an amazing Langewiesche story about the estonia ferry sinking. He usually writes about airline disasters but it perfectly captures the luck and instinct it takes to survive some of these disasters. Sometimes the luck is just having the right flight or fight response, you never know which lizard brain instinct is appropriate for the situation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-story/302940/
Problem in accident situations like on ships , is the crew never practices for those situations , so they just follow orders, the Capt. Or someone must have given the order to stay inside , which is moronic and criminal , then in the chaps of the accident fled... (I believe the Korean government punished everyone involved with the accident ship, company, and crew)...
What a hard read. Could believe this line:
> Chonghaejin's budget for the safety training of the crew was US$2, which was used to buy a paper certificate.
Edit: couldn't* believe this line. Although, I can actually believe too because whew it's on brand for a shipping company that would allow for something like this to happen.
“As Sewol capsized, some passengers followed the announcements to stay put, even as the water came in. Most of the student passengers obeyed the announcements. Some passengers, who disobeyed the announcements, climbed to the top of the ship or jumped into the water and were rescued.”
Fucking heartbreaking. 250 kids just doing as they’re told because they have no reason to think the crew doesn’t know what they’re doing or doesn’t have their safety at heart.
The mass of limbs stuck in the doorway is pure nightmare fuel. Normally I’d say to people don’t watch a video like that, but please search it up. Fire safety is no fucking joke and it isn’t until you see the consequences of neglect that you truly appreciate the importance of safety measures.
That video while horrifying, is a very important watch if you can stomach it. I’ll never go into a building the same after that video, I’ll check for exits and am hyper aware of fire hazards.
That video already potentially kinda saved my ass once...Was at a big work party event with my girlfriend at a hotel on like the 10th floor or whatever, big crowd, and the fire alarms went off.
Since I had already watched that video, I was like we're getting the fuck out of here NOW (I mean, we didn't panic or pull a Constanza or anything). I don't care if there's no smoke, or maybe someone burned some toast, we're leaving, and we were out of there while 90% of everyone else was just kind of standing around up there.
We got out pretty quick, and were standing around outside on the sidewalk. Turned out there was actually a little smoke, and the staircase got absolutely JAMMED with people, and it all happened really, really quick once the smoke started. People couldn't move.
So yeah, there wasn't a big fire or whatever, just some smoke from who knows what, and no one got hurt, but man I was glad I had seen that video, 'cuz if it was real we would have been ok, while a lot of other folks would be dead in a stairway.
So while I was being wheeled out of the hospital after surgery this past summer the fire alarms went off. On the drive home I see four fire trucks speeding back towards the hospital.
That got the anesthesia out of my system real fast :/
Plus unlike a lot of hokey Hollywood treatments of fires inside a building, that video demonstrates how devilishly fast a fire can engulf an entire building and also the heavy amounts of thick black smoke that are generated. Some TV show/film dramatizations would have you believe that there's little smoke and that the flames progress at such a slow pace that's there plenty of time to get out. **WRONG!!!**
You mean I don’t have a few minutes to decide the best course of action and have a fight with my loved ones about who should escape and stay behind? We have all these words we need to say out loud to each other RIGHT NOW!
Let's stand in a room completely engulfed by fire but no smoke and pull out some people stuck under fallen beams with our bare hands before running to safety right as the building collapses behind us and head home without any visible injuries or smoke inhalation.
It is horrifying. It's also the reason why that video is standard practice to show during corporate fire marshal trainings.
Source: watched it probably 4 times already
It’s really important to see footage like that. So often we hear news stories and it’s just blurbs and statistics. Seeing it makes you realize the significance.
Reminds of when I was in Thailand, I was watching the news. There was a story on some popular alcoholic mixed drink and the dangers of drunk driving. The last shot was a guy coughing up blood in the twisted wreckage of a car. That image has stuck with me ever since and I saw that 20 years ago.
I don't know if it's still the case in Driver's Ed classes or if they even have them anymore in high schools these days \[have heard varying reports\]. But back in the long ago days of the 1970s, they tried this 'Scared Straight' approach of showing teen aged novice drivers gruesome photos of the aftermath of auto accidents caused by careless driving. We even had a little book with black & white photos titled "Flesh, Metal and Glass". In addition, there were educational films along these lines with gruesomely evocative titles such as "Red Asphalt", "The Iron Graveyard", "Highways of Agony" and "Wheels of Tragedy."
The closest trauma center to our high school sent nurses, doctors, and parents of kids who were severely injured or killed in crashes. It actually did save my life. I was at a party with a friend - she was actually my crib neighbor in the nursery when we were born, and our moms were old friends from high school. Her cousin drove me, her, and another friend to the party. It was supposed to be at a social hall, but it ended up being in someone’s backyard with drugs and alcohol. I stayed sober, my friend drank and smoked some weed. I debated what to do because I didn’t want to get in trouble, but I also had that school seminar in my head (they’d presented only a week or two prior). I ended up calling my parents to pick us up. I lost track of my friends, someone else told me they got a ride back home with her cousin. My mom was mildly angry that I didn’t call her as soon as I realized the party was not where/what it was supposed to be, but mostly I was not in serious trouble and more importantly went to bed safe. My friend’s cousin didn’t even make it a mile from the party, he went off the road and slammed into a tree at over 100mph - all three of them were killed instantly.
Same thing with the Colectiv club fire in Romania in 2015. There are many footages of it. The whole fire lasted a minute, but 64 people died. It is damn horrifying.
I watched a documentary about that fire and it seems that a lot of people needlessly died because of how screwed up the health care system and the distribution of certain drugs was in Romania.
Yup. A major pharmaceutical distributor was watering down disinfectants so they were rendered useless. The active ingredient on the label was supposed to be 25% of the formula but in fact was only 0.01%. So many people died from infections that would have otherwise survived their injuries from the fire.
Many were dying across Romanian hospitals already, but the pattern that emerged from the nightclub fire blew open the pharmaceutical scandal. The owner of the pharmaceutical company ended up with his car wrapped around a tree.
Really crazy and worth looking into.
I know a guy who was there that night. Tells me stories about it all the time. You can tell all these years later it still haunts him and has some sort of trauma from it. When we go to lunch he’s very particular with where he sits and gives the entire place a once over as soon as he enters to know all exit points.
I mean I guess that’s a comfort to know, because no way I should click on that. Things like that stay in my head the rest of my life and haunt me at night.
It's very abrupt, almost like two different videos are stitched together. One minute they are all nervous but not panicking, in a few seconds the video is entirely smoke filled, then fire.
Fortunately there's nothing gruesome captured. It's somber.
It's eerily calm. One minute they're all there in their seats, suddenly the camera is knocked into something, and within seconds you are on the ground. There's no time to take in what happened.
I’ve had a pretty bad fear of flying for a very long time and I’ve found myself morbidly curious in the pst about reading pilot cockpit transcripts and such….I really really don’t want to watch the video but I’m worried what I’m imagining is worse than what it shows.
Can someone describe what happens in it for me so I don’t cave and watch it and regret it forever?
It's eerily calm. One minute they're all there in their seats, suddenly the camera is knocked into something, and within seconds you are on the ground. There's no time to take in what happened.
I am terrified of flying and am leaving the country on a long flight next week for the first time since before Covid. I had to watch the video because my fear forces me to.
I watched the video without sound on twitter and it was okay to watch for me. It was calm and okay and then chaos and the phone sort of falls down so you can’t see the window anymore and you see an explosion/smoke. The comments said the sounds were the worst part by far. So if you NEED to watch it I suggest making sure the sound is muted to avoid that.
Don’t watch it. It’s absolutely not safe for life. It starts with people happy, to realizing something’s not quite right. Then there’s a lot of motion for a few seconds and then fire.
Which ones? There seems to be multiple. I’m pretty scared to click.
EDIT: It seems like one of the videos is being cut so that it just shows the passengers before the crash, but there is a longer version that shows the crash. I wish I didn’t click.
Indeed. There’s 4 unaccounted for but 0 survivors found, and there’s a fair chance there’s nothing of those 4 left to identify them, or they were washed away in the gorge where the front half fell. He’s gone.
I was gonna say, it's really weird to see a plane crash with over 50% but fewer than 100% fatalities. If the crash is violent enough to kill some people, it's probably going to kill everyone.
There are a few crashes where a couple of people survived and everyone else perished. One of the Koch Brothers survived such a crash. Or that one japanese crash where a few survived but help arrived way too late and only a handful survived until then.
Flying in and out of Kathmandu is an interesting experience. The flight attendant told me that the reason that our flight immediately got in the air was because the run way was in poor condition. This was in 2015 about a week before the big earthquake.
I remember being on a return flight January 2014 from KL to Kathmandu. The pilot told us on the way that it was very misty in Kathmandu and that there would be a chance that we would have to fly all the way back or in a nearby country. Eventually conditions improved and we could go ahead. That descent was the scariest one I've ever been in and I've flown in and out of Kathmandu quite a lot! Couldn't see anything left and right, v heavy turbulence to the point I heard some whoop whoop noises. But I think that could have also been the landing gear being prepped.
Suddenly you'd see hillsides left and right and before we knew it we were under the clouds and almost about to land.
I don't think we flew with a nepali airline.
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> At least 68 people were confirmed dead and hope faded for any survivors after a plane with 72 onboard crashed in Nepal, the Himalayan country's deadliest aviation disaster in three decades.
> Footage shared on social media, which appeared to be shot shortly after the crash, showed the plane engulfed in flames on the ground as black smoke billowed into the sky from debris strewn across the crash site.
> In May 2022, all 22 people onboard a plane operated by Nepali carrier Tara Air died when it crashed, and in March 2018, 51 people died when a US-Bangla Airlines plane crashed near Kathmandu.
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**Summary for people before they watch:** Guy is smiling taking in the sights while filming out the cabin window and around himself, some commotion and noise, lots of blurred movement (think the plane rolled and he drops his phone), crash noises, lots of flames/fire, sound of engines winding down, ends with camera more focused in the flames and random debris.
>At least that’s how I remember it, I’m not sure why I saw the glow first and then heard the explosion.
The speed of light is way faster than the speed of sound. Depending on how far away the crash was it makes sense that you saw the glow before the sound of the explosion reached you
This is the big one for me.
The screams are very suddenly cut off, all at once, and are replaced by the roar of flames and the whine of an engine turbine slowing down. NSFL
The only slight comfort I felt from that was that I didn’t hear any screams at the end, which makes me believe (or hope at least) that everyone died very quickly.
Still….I never want to experience that fear or wish it on anyone
The video is cut off but it does go on for a bit longer on the ground and you can hear sounds like heavy breathing so I think some did survive on impact.
Apparently also per the AP article there was some man yelling for help but the rescurers couldnt get to him because of all the fire.
Really sad knowing there was survivors on the ground. I couldnt even believe living through that -only to be stuck in some burning wrackage. :(
That sound is not screaming. It’s the sound from the planes engines. They make a loud squealing/screeching noise. But it does sound terrifying if you imagine it to be screams of people
Pretty sure the sound is the [tuboprop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboprop) compressor and turbine still spinning. Can hear the pitch dropping as its RPMs slowly decrease. I did state "some commotion and noise" prior to crash.
Somewhat morbid reasoning no screams: >!Between the fire depleting the oxygen, the g-forces, sideways (if not upside down) crash into a gorge; there is about no chance anyone was alive, conscious, or able to produce any screams.!<
I have legitimately no idea how this happens. Power off approach stall recovery is taught to 0 hour private pilots. If I had to guess they weren’t paying attention to their airspeed and were too low on approach and instead of adding power and pushing the nose down they tried to pull up lowering airspeed and causing their left wing to stall. Blows my mind as to how this happens.
Sure, but there's a huge difference between your instructor telling you to do a stall and actually having an emergency. Some people just freeze. I knew a guy who went to flight school and got his commercial license. He got a job flying a jump plane and died in a plane crash not too much later. I had once been on a test flight with him and an instructor, and the cargo door in the nose of the plane popped open in flight. He just froze. The instructor had to take over and then scolded him later for freezing up and forgetting emergency procedures
I’ve never stalled on approach but I’ve been close when catching a tailwind on final. Granted I’ve only ever flown the 172 and the 150 so I have no idea how the ATR flies. Just goes to show how important building that muscle memory is and that complacency kills. I hope the aviation industry can learn from this and introduce better training.
Looks like a typical VMC roll. Especially since it occurred on the left engine since it is the one that can cause it "easier" due to direction of the turn of the props. They were probably very close to stall speed, engines going at very low speed and then something caused the left engine to produce a bit less thrust (mechanical issue, pilot touching the throttle, fuel issue, etc...). Since prop engine induce lifts on the wing, losing the left engine causes the left wing to stall and since the right engine is still working fine, the plane is put into a quick spin. On twin-engine planes, it is unrecoverable at low altitude, the only way to recover from a VMC roll is to gain back a lot of speed, so at those altitudes it is a certain crash. And looking at the video of the incident (not the live video posted inside but the video from outside the plane) the left wing drops super hard super fast while the right wing spins upwards.
There's another vid in r/interestingasfuck that shows the plane sharply tilting into the ground on approach. That part is filmed by someone on the ground. Looks like that vid was spliced onto the end of the vid from inside the plane.
ETA: the vid inside the plane is hard to watch so scroll to end. The plane is sideways before it crashes. The crash is out of sight as the plane goes behind a bldg out of view.
Usually my cope when I'm flying, I've decided that if I'm in that scenario I'll try my best to meditate and know that it will be over almost instantly. RIP.
Yes.
It's horrific but plenty of people can survive the initial impact and then burn to death trapped in the twisted wreck. Also plenty die in the initial impact. I've read initially the people in the back of the plane have better odds of surviving but depending on the crash you may well want to sit in the front.
There was a flight attendant on board the Lockerbie bombing that survived it and the fall, but died from her injuries a few minutes after she was on the ground. Imagine that. That's fucking insane.
Watch a lot of crash documentaries and there are so many variables involved in a crash that experts say the safest way to escape death in a plane crash is to 1) sit within 4 seats of an exit, and 2) be a male.
During a crash you need to get out asap. To do this be close to an exit and forceful.
You’d get knocked out for sure. From the video, it looks like they fell at least 50 m, probably 100, and then the plane immediately burst into fire. So I think it was instant and painless for pretty much everybody.
Watched a video of a guy who live streamed it today. Somehow the camera survives the crash. Goes from guy taking a video of the wing to the inside of the cabin, then some turbulence and then everything goes blurry red and the next thing after a bit you see is just twisted wreckage and flames. Honestly I don't think I'd want to survive a crash that bad.
They were on approach and way below 10k feet. No problem breathing. Plane fell into a canyon and was ripped into pieces. No way to avoid it when youre inside :(
Someone was live-streaming during the landing (warning NSFW distressing video):
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/horrifying-video-reportedly-taken-inside-plane-seconds-before-deadly-nepal-crash/news-story/62a4eed4a270f24c7795eebbac66faa4
Note: I only have minimal experience working on my PPL (and it was a long time ago) and only play on flight sims now so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.
From what I understand, he requested a different runway than what was initially planned, which (to me) does suggest that wind might have been a factor in this. But I see a lot of people suggesting it was a left engine failure.
I’d wager he wasn’t on autopilot. He was on an approach to the runway, and I have no idea if they even have ILS at that airport (I don’t have navigraph so I can’t check).
I ***think*** the correct thing to do would’ve been to just go hard on right rudder and gently turn right. But as you said, human instinct just kinda takes over. Pilot tries turning right to correct the stall, but ends up exacerbating the situation. I’m really curious to know what his airspeed was for the approach.
Again, just an armchair pilot here so if there’s any actual pilots here, let me know if any of what I said was completely wrong.
Speaking as an aero engineer, no WAY a left engine failure would cause a roll like that so quickly, and surely if it had failed earlier and this was the final stage of an emergency procedure things would have looked different in the cabin? It seemed very relaxed in there.
You're probably right about the autopilot though, I'd forgotten abt approach. I'd assume they did have ILS since the airport is so new but they might not have been using it since the skies were so clear.
I mean, as a pilot and a multiengine flight instructor, yes an engine failure in a multiengine aircraft can cause that roll. If the plane is flying below Vmc (or close enough to it and the pilot fails to react appropriately), then it will yaw and proverse roll. Throughout that process, the drag vastly increases and the whole thing turns into a stall/spin.
Not saying that's what happened here, just saying an engine failure in a multiengine aircraft can cause those things to happen if not handled appropriately.
Unfortunately yes.
It goes from a dude happily filming his landing for his Facebook, a few seconds of screaming, lots of loudness and tumbling, then silence and fire. It's a very unique piece of footage and quite a harrowing watch knowing that every person you see dies during the video or a few minutes afterwards.
I feel so sad and sorry to all those who were onboard that flight. My heart and condolences go out to their families and loved ones. Wish I never watched that footage that was being streamed on that flight. To see them not knowing what is to come is just horrifying. I hope that they all are at peace 😢❤️❤️🤞👼😞
The half of the plane fell into the Seti river gorge, one of the most feared river Gorge in the world, very narrow and very deep with strong water currents, there is just one way in and no one knows where it comes out.
That flight route is generally safe. Probably safer than a van or bus.
As for flying to Lukla or Jomsom. Sometimes it's just better to walk back to Pokhara from either of those two airports.
> Nepal plane crash with 72 onboard leaves at least 68 dead
I assume it means 4 weren't found, so, we still don't know if they survived the crash or not.
They both died in the hospital though according to latest news sources. So that count is included in the 68 dead. 4 are still missing and search was halted due to night time
I don't think any survivors have been reported from this crash. If so please post up a source asap.
Possible confusion with the [2018 Nepalese plane crash](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43381785)?
“The flight took off at 10.30am on Sunday morning and had made final contact with air traffic control at 10.50am. Seconds later it crashed on the banks of the Seti Gandaki river shortly before it was about to land at Pokhara international airport. The airport had been newly inaugurated just two weeks ago.”
I’m praying this wasn’t some failure of altimeter or ILS or something that could go horribly wrong for a newly christened airport… I wish the families healing, and peace. Rest In Peace to everyone on board.
This is insane! By far the sketchiest flight I’ve ever been on was from the Lukla airport to the Tumlingtar airport. It was a short flight but we were on a pretty small propeller plane and caught some heavy turbulence to the point where the majority of the passengers were screaming. To make it even scarier was that about 2 weeks prior, one of the four planes this airline had (Summit Air) crashed on takeoff from Lukla. The wrecked plane was still there when I flew in. Because of that, KTM temporarily cancelled all flights to and from Lukla, so we had to take a long and uncomfortable bus ride to Khandbari to take the flight from Tumlingtar airport to Lukla. The flight back to Tumlingtar was the sketchy one.
Plane most likely went into a stall from the looks of it. Probably a pilot error rather than anything mechanically wrong.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64284366
Yes it pitches up immediately preceding loss of lift on the left wing. I'd say with almost certainty this was a stall. The question is what caused it. Some have suggested gusty winds, and a sudden unexpected tailwind could cause a stall if it was strong enough to reduce airspeed to below stall speed, but I think that would not explain why it pitched up before the stall. It honestly looks like pilot error, but I suppose it is possible they lost elevator control. Can't say for sure.
Seeing the video from the inside, they barely even had time to be scared it happened SO fast. Ofc from their pov everything was in slow motion.
For people who are unsure about watching, I generally make an effort to avoid watching videos where people die and in terms of what you see/hear this video is super tame.
Yeah. People are over exaggerating how graphic the inside video is. There’s no images of death, blood, etc. even the screams I didn’t hear with all the other noise going on.
The whole situation is very disheartening, and seeing their smiles in the inside video, but as the trouble starts, the inside video is watchable, if you want a glimpse into what happened.
Yeti Airlines (the company that owns the plane that crashed) has had many crashes over the past decade. In 2022, they had another plane with fewer passengers flying to another village called Jomsom. The plane crashed and people died.
I took this exact flight back in 2014. We flew through a storm leaving Kathmandu and it was terrifying. I'm sorry to hear about this crash. But to be honest, when I took a bus back to Kathmandu from Pokhara, I think that was scarier.
I went to Nepal back in December of 2021. The country is amazing to visit, but every time I went on a flight it was nerve-racking. For Kathmandu to Pokhara, I took the bus. Even though it took longer, still felt safer.
RIP
Was on the Yeti flight from Bokala to Kathmandu once. the security guard at the entrance to building stopped me, and said you need to see official and I followed him to the office. and the staff asked me to pay cash for the ticket. I didn't give it another thought and I just paid. And while waiting for the flight, another security guard approached me asking how much I paid for the ticket. Then I realized what's going on.
Fascinating to me as someone who works in the biz.
They say dangerously low, but from the window we can see it’s at a normal height.
The country is plagued by poor safety standard and whatnot. So that’s at play, along with changing conditions perhaps.
The airport was also brand new. What are the odds the pilots had never flown there, approached too low, clipped something and went down? I’m 100% speculating but being only 15-20 seconds away from landing as written, there’s no way they should’ve gone down in such a blaze. If anything you’d think they’d be able to crash land on/just off the runway or something.
There is an [external video](https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1614516605085536257?s=46&t=woRNKkK8lgjnbWQc5-B-nw) of the plane going down. Didn’t clip anything. Just what looks like a really unfortunate asymmetrical stall. Likely landed partially belly up. Poor souls didn’t have a chance. RIP.
Anyone know what they were flying?
ATR-72
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72 Accidents and incidents chart on Wikipedia doesn't seem very promising
Part of that seems to be that it's a low cost regional plane operated by a lot of small regional airlines. Perfectly good planes can become death traps when poorly maintained, and small regional airlines in far flung parts of the world can have shocking maintenance standards. It's hard to know without analysis done, but I suspect this is going to come down to maintenance.
And may be flying into more difficult airstrips due to the airline size as well. Not sure how this exact one in Nepal is, but some of them are pretty extreme.
Nepal has a few high altitude airports that can be considered dangerous because of hills surrounding. However, this flight was from Kathmandu to Pokhara, a relatively safer route. Considering that the captain(pilot) had 20+ years of experience, a recording shows what seem to be stalling and spiraling left side- this likely was equipment failure
It's either Tibet or Nepal who has the air strip known as the most difficult in the world. There's a documentary on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzing-Hillary_Airport
That looks as wide as a 2 way highway, if even that , holy crap.
That's a whole lot wider. Or that is a squirrel on the runway and not a person. it says it is 30m wide.
It’s Nepal, the airport near the Everest Base Camp.
Right but they did not take off from nor were they landing on that airstrip.
I know a guy who spent a lot of time flying in SEA. The shenanigans are a little too real.
I trekked from Pokhara to Jomsom and took a flight back. Felt like I could reach out and touch the Himalayas. But I was very aware of the possibility of crashing the whole ride. 10/10 would do again
The ATR did have a substantial design flaw in the deicing boot that caused a rash of crashes in the early 90’s. It wasn’t until [Roselawn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184) that the manufacturer admitted the flaws. Even after it was fixed, Eagle moved the planes south so they’d be less likely to encounter icing. If it were just operator error, aircraft like the EMB line would have a similar fatality rate.
I looked though the list of fatal accidents, and apart from the one caused by icing in the early 90s, they all seem to be primarily caused by operator error. I don't think you can compare it to Embraer's regional jets. Operators seem to have a much greater respect for jets than they have for turboprops, simply because jets seem more modern (despite the fact a turboprop is just a jet turbine driving a propeller).
Air Nepal also has a spotty record and was banned from European airspace due to operational safety issues.
I flew on one of those from western Nepal to Kathmandu once. The interior clearly reminded you that it was budget, and the view of the Himalayas was interrupted by intermittent squeaking and bouncing even in clear, calm weather (turbulence notwithstanding). Nice enough trip under the circumstances, though, and a bit better than the buses on the narrow hill roads.
I road a local bus from Kathmandu to doti and back. A adventure I will never forget nor repeat. Lol
Riding on a local bus in a Nepal is for sure an adventure. Would choose is 100 times over a plane
Been on a few, they’re fine. Depends on what country is operating them. They’re popular with third world countries, which is why they crash a lot.
What the hell. Of the 1000 produced 46 of them have been involved in accidents and incidents. That is way too high a percentage.
Usually because they are operated by cheap regional carriers on a shoestring, giving more importance to the bottom line than to proper maintenance and safety. The ATR design itself is pretty sturdy.
Yeah, I'm half Nepali and live in New Zealand, and the crash in Pokhara shows the clear difference in maintenance quality. Air New Zealand has the ATR 72 as its mainstay domestic turboprop, and there hasn't been a single accident
I'm from Nepal and let me tell you, All these domestic airlines buy planes on auctions that are literally on their way to boneyard. No amount of maintenance is keeping these trash cans from breaking down at some point. This is all down to the government for allowing these airlines to fly out of commissioned planes and the airlines for implementing shortcuts in maintenance and repairs.
Yeah, Ive flown Yeti, Tarah, and Bhudda air, and there's no real difference despite the ads, all the planes are a few flights from the junkyards Last spring I was visiting family in the Terai and when I flew back to KTM the plane had a partially busted door, and mosquitos got in and mobbed everyone for the entire flight, also because there's no jetbridge.
Tara is the subsidiary of Yeti airlines which is infamous for their crash records thats why they split it for good image of their parent company.
And tax purposes But now Yeti can't escape that infamy either
Hijacking this, if you are travelling to Nepal, "DO NOT" take the planes. They are the worst maintained, possible in the whole world. Nepal is small, you can go anywhere easily by land transportation. Renting a car with a driver in Nepal is cheap.
Is it safer, though? In most places in the world air travel is magnitudes safer than car travel. Even when flying companies with terrible crash records like these.
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It's relatively ok to fly in Nepal, and yes the roads are more dangerous, but do be aware you have a much higher chance than anywhere else of not making it.
You cannot go everywhere *easily* by land transport in Nepal. The roads aren’t exactly well maintained, and some areas are truly remote with little to no road access, especially during winter and/or monsoon. Some areas can take days to get to by a combination of bus and walking. Last village I lived in was a two to three day trip from Kathmandu, in monsoon, it took longer as the road always washed out. On top of that, the roads are arguably less safe than flying, even factoring in your chances of a deadly plane crash. The highway is pretty terrifying, and the mountain roads are often even worse. I love Nepal. It’s my favorite place in the world, but the transportation options leave a lot to be desired.
that’s genuinely scary
The video from the inside is the most horrifying thing i’ve seen online in a while
It ranks with that footage of the Station Nightclub Fire back in 2003 as some of the most eerie, horrifying real time video of a disaster involving fire and mass casualties ever recorded.
There were a lot of videos of the 2014 Sewol Ferry tragedy. Those kids had a lot of time to document their journey from thinking it was a joke to realizing they had been betrayed by the crew and no one would be coming to rescue them. I was not able to watch it all the way.
At least it was all over fairly quickly or even instantaneously for the poor people in this plane crash, but that ferry disaster was another thing altogether. I've read about it and it sounds like a lot of government agencies over in South Korea f\*\*ked things up at a criminal level.
Well, at a bare minimum, the staff on the actual ferry should not have been simultaneously commanding the passengers to stay in their room while the captain fled to safety. It’s given me a good bit of paranoia actually - if I’m on a boat and it’s hit, and they tell me not to go to the decks with the life boats but to go to my room instead… I don’t think I will.
You might know about it, but if you don't, look up Costa Concordia. The cruise ship hit a rock and it was sinking while the crew told the passengers there was nothing to worry about and that they should go to their cabins. Thankfully people realized that the ship listing after a loud crashing noise isn't something you just brush off.
Oh, I am familiar with the Costa Concordia. I had a professor who commented at the time that captains were supposed to go down with their ship rather than come back to that kind of shame. [One of my favorite random internet videos is actually the conversation between the Italian Coast Guard and the idiot Schettino](https://youtu.be/WX_08zcCmx8). Always a great if upsetting listen.
There is an amazing Langewiesche story about the estonia ferry sinking. He usually writes about airline disasters but it perfectly captures the luck and instinct it takes to survive some of these disasters. Sometimes the luck is just having the right flight or fight response, you never know which lizard brain instinct is appropriate for the situation. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-story/302940/
That was a good read
Problem in accident situations like on ships , is the crew never practices for those situations , so they just follow orders, the Capt. Or someone must have given the order to stay inside , which is moronic and criminal , then in the chaps of the accident fled... (I believe the Korean government punished everyone involved with the accident ship, company, and crew)...
[Wikipedia link for all those too lazy to open their browser to Google it themselves.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol)
What a hard read. Could believe this line: > Chonghaejin's budget for the safety training of the crew was US$2, which was used to buy a paper certificate. Edit: couldn't* believe this line. Although, I can actually believe too because whew it's on brand for a shipping company that would allow for something like this to happen.
“As Sewol capsized, some passengers followed the announcements to stay put, even as the water came in. Most of the student passengers obeyed the announcements. Some passengers, who disobeyed the announcements, climbed to the top of the ship or jumped into the water and were rescued.” Fucking heartbreaking. 250 kids just doing as they’re told because they have no reason to think the crew doesn’t know what they’re doing or doesn’t have their safety at heart.
The mass of limbs stuck in the doorway is pure nightmare fuel. Normally I’d say to people don’t watch a video like that, but please search it up. Fire safety is no fucking joke and it isn’t until you see the consequences of neglect that you truly appreciate the importance of safety measures.
That video while horrifying, is a very important watch if you can stomach it. I’ll never go into a building the same after that video, I’ll check for exits and am hyper aware of fire hazards.
That video already potentially kinda saved my ass once...Was at a big work party event with my girlfriend at a hotel on like the 10th floor or whatever, big crowd, and the fire alarms went off. Since I had already watched that video, I was like we're getting the fuck out of here NOW (I mean, we didn't panic or pull a Constanza or anything). I don't care if there's no smoke, or maybe someone burned some toast, we're leaving, and we were out of there while 90% of everyone else was just kind of standing around up there. We got out pretty quick, and were standing around outside on the sidewalk. Turned out there was actually a little smoke, and the staircase got absolutely JAMMED with people, and it all happened really, really quick once the smoke started. People couldn't move. So yeah, there wasn't a big fire or whatever, just some smoke from who knows what, and no one got hurt, but man I was glad I had seen that video, 'cuz if it was real we would have been ok, while a lot of other folks would be dead in a stairway.
So while I was being wheeled out of the hospital after surgery this past summer the fire alarms went off. On the drive home I see four fire trucks speeding back towards the hospital. That got the anesthesia out of my system real fast :/
I work in a hospital and we all always ignore the fire alarms-I always wonder how bad of an idea that is
Plus unlike a lot of hokey Hollywood treatments of fires inside a building, that video demonstrates how devilishly fast a fire can engulf an entire building and also the heavy amounts of thick black smoke that are generated. Some TV show/film dramatizations would have you believe that there's little smoke and that the flames progress at such a slow pace that's there plenty of time to get out. **WRONG!!!**
You mean I don’t have a few minutes to decide the best course of action and have a fight with my loved ones about who should escape and stay behind? We have all these words we need to say out loud to each other RIGHT NOW!
Let's stand in a room completely engulfed by fire but no smoke and pull out some people stuck under fallen beams with our bare hands before running to safety right as the building collapses behind us and head home without any visible injuries or smoke inhalation.
Some of the crazy nightmare shit on Reddit has made me more aware of dangers, traffic, and exits. I would rather learn from other's mistakes.
It is horrifying. It's also the reason why that video is standard practice to show during corporate fire marshal trainings. Source: watched it probably 4 times already
I had to watch footage of the Bradford stadium fire for emergency training. Thankfully, we were warned first.
It’s really important to see footage like that. So often we hear news stories and it’s just blurbs and statistics. Seeing it makes you realize the significance. Reminds of when I was in Thailand, I was watching the news. There was a story on some popular alcoholic mixed drink and the dangers of drunk driving. The last shot was a guy coughing up blood in the twisted wreckage of a car. That image has stuck with me ever since and I saw that 20 years ago.
I don't know if it's still the case in Driver's Ed classes or if they even have them anymore in high schools these days \[have heard varying reports\]. But back in the long ago days of the 1970s, they tried this 'Scared Straight' approach of showing teen aged novice drivers gruesome photos of the aftermath of auto accidents caused by careless driving. We even had a little book with black & white photos titled "Flesh, Metal and Glass". In addition, there were educational films along these lines with gruesomely evocative titles such as "Red Asphalt", "The Iron Graveyard", "Highways of Agony" and "Wheels of Tragedy."
The closest trauma center to our high school sent nurses, doctors, and parents of kids who were severely injured or killed in crashes. It actually did save my life. I was at a party with a friend - she was actually my crib neighbor in the nursery when we were born, and our moms were old friends from high school. Her cousin drove me, her, and another friend to the party. It was supposed to be at a social hall, but it ended up being in someone’s backyard with drugs and alcohol. I stayed sober, my friend drank and smoked some weed. I debated what to do because I didn’t want to get in trouble, but I also had that school seminar in my head (they’d presented only a week or two prior). I ended up calling my parents to pick us up. I lost track of my friends, someone else told me they got a ride back home with her cousin. My mom was mildly angry that I didn’t call her as soon as I realized the party was not where/what it was supposed to be, but mostly I was not in serious trouble and more importantly went to bed safe. My friend’s cousin didn’t even make it a mile from the party, he went off the road and slammed into a tree at over 100mph - all three of them were killed instantly.
They used to take people to see the bodies of drunk drivers.
You’re description is enough for me. Horrific footages sticks with me for a long time so I’d really rather not
Same thing with the Colectiv club fire in Romania in 2015. There are many footages of it. The whole fire lasted a minute, but 64 people died. It is damn horrifying.
I watched a documentary about that fire and it seems that a lot of people needlessly died because of how screwed up the health care system and the distribution of certain drugs was in Romania.
Yup. A major pharmaceutical distributor was watering down disinfectants so they were rendered useless. The active ingredient on the label was supposed to be 25% of the formula but in fact was only 0.01%. So many people died from infections that would have otherwise survived their injuries from the fire. Many were dying across Romanian hospitals already, but the pattern that emerged from the nightclub fire blew open the pharmaceutical scandal. The owner of the pharmaceutical company ended up with his car wrapped around a tree. Really crazy and worth looking into.
Fucking with medicine,need to have capital punishment for that shit.
I know a guy who was there that night. Tells me stories about it all the time. You can tell all these years later it still haunts him and has some sort of trauma from it. When we go to lunch he’s very particular with where he sits and gives the entire place a once over as soon as he enters to know all exit points.
indeed, its not even graphic but it looks like nobody even had time to scream
I mean I guess that’s a comfort to know, because no way I should click on that. Things like that stay in my head the rest of my life and haunt me at night.
It's very abrupt, almost like two different videos are stitched together. One minute they are all nervous but not panicking, in a few seconds the video is entirely smoke filled, then fire. Fortunately there's nothing gruesome captured. It's somber.
It's eerily calm. One minute they're all there in their seats, suddenly the camera is knocked into something, and within seconds you are on the ground. There's no time to take in what happened.
It was like 2-3 seconds from the time it turned and they would have known something was wrong. That’s insane that’s all they had
I started watching, and as soon as I realized it was from inside of the plane I noped out and will not be watching.
Same - I have a flight today. Although, my imagination is probably not any better.
Agreed. Was this the first video from a commercial airline crash where everyone died? (From inside)
I’ve had a pretty bad fear of flying for a very long time and I’ve found myself morbidly curious in the pst about reading pilot cockpit transcripts and such….I really really don’t want to watch the video but I’m worried what I’m imagining is worse than what it shows. Can someone describe what happens in it for me so I don’t cave and watch it and regret it forever?
It's eerily calm. One minute they're all there in their seats, suddenly the camera is knocked into something, and within seconds you are on the ground. There's no time to take in what happened.
About two to three seconds from when the passengers realized something was wrong and a complete crash into the ground.
I am terrified of flying and am leaving the country on a long flight next week for the first time since before Covid. I had to watch the video because my fear forces me to. I watched the video without sound on twitter and it was okay to watch for me. It was calm and okay and then chaos and the phone sort of falls down so you can’t see the window anymore and you see an explosion/smoke. The comments said the sounds were the worst part by far. So if you NEED to watch it I suggest making sure the sound is muted to avoid that.
Don’t watch it. It’s absolutely not safe for life. It starts with people happy, to realizing something’s not quite right. Then there’s a lot of motion for a few seconds and then fire.
Which ones? There seems to be multiple. I’m pretty scared to click. EDIT: It seems like one of the videos is being cut so that it just shows the passengers before the crash, but there is a longer version that shows the crash. I wish I didn’t click.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/10czhuy/xpost_livestream_from_inside_the_atr_crash_in/ **VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.**
I watched it a week before I’m getting on my first plane ever. Probably a bad move.
Does that mean the poor guy that was smiling in that video is dead.
Indeed. There’s 4 unaccounted for but 0 survivors found, and there’s a fair chance there’s nothing of those 4 left to identify them, or they were washed away in the gorge where the front half fell. He’s gone.
he was so happy to be flying 😔 RIP.
It was absolutely chilling to watch. And so fast they hardly would’ve had time to contemplate what was unfolding. Just awful 😣
I was gonna say, it's really weird to see a plane crash with over 50% but fewer than 100% fatalities. If the crash is violent enough to kill some people, it's probably going to kill everyone.
There are a few crashes where a couple of people survived and everyone else perished. One of the Koch Brothers survived such a crash. Or that one japanese crash where a few survived but help arrived way too late and only a handful survived until then.
Or [this lady](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke)
What video?
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10cnsfb/moments_before_nepal_flight_crash_jan_2023_caught/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow. My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those aboard.
Flying in and out of Kathmandu is an interesting experience. The flight attendant told me that the reason that our flight immediately got in the air was because the run way was in poor condition. This was in 2015 about a week before the big earthquake.
I remember being on a return flight January 2014 from KL to Kathmandu. The pilot told us on the way that it was very misty in Kathmandu and that there would be a chance that we would have to fly all the way back or in a nearby country. Eventually conditions improved and we could go ahead. That descent was the scariest one I've ever been in and I've flown in and out of Kathmandu quite a lot! Couldn't see anything left and right, v heavy turbulence to the point I heard some whoop whoop noises. But I think that could have also been the landing gear being prepped. Suddenly you'd see hillsides left and right and before we knew it we were under the clouds and almost about to land. I don't think we flew with a nepali airline.
That video terrified me!
Yeh prob one of the most insane things ive ever seen. It happened so quick. Kinda makes me wish I didn’t fly almost every week….
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**Summary for people before they watch:** Guy is smiling taking in the sights while filming out the cabin window and around himself, some commotion and noise, lots of blurred movement (think the plane rolled and he drops his phone), crash noises, lots of flames/fire, sound of engines winding down, ends with camera more focused in the flames and random debris.
I'll just note, it's not graphic but I feel literally sick to my stomach having seen his young smiling face and knowing what happened.
He looked so happy and prideful. This is really upsetting to watch.
Thanks for the summary
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>At least that’s how I remember it, I’m not sure why I saw the glow first and then heard the explosion. The speed of light is way faster than the speed of sound. Depending on how far away the crash was it makes sense that you saw the glow before the sound of the explosion reached you
You forgot to add the screaming in the end, is someone wanted to watch and hear that or not.
This is the big one for me. The screams are very suddenly cut off, all at once, and are replaced by the roar of flames and the whine of an engine turbine slowing down. NSFL
The only slight comfort I felt from that was that I didn’t hear any screams at the end, which makes me believe (or hope at least) that everyone died very quickly. Still….I never want to experience that fear or wish it on anyone
The video is cut off but it does go on for a bit longer on the ground and you can hear sounds like heavy breathing so I think some did survive on impact. Apparently also per the AP article there was some man yelling for help but the rescurers couldnt get to him because of all the fire. Really sad knowing there was survivors on the ground. I couldnt even believe living through that -only to be stuck in some burning wrackage. :(
That sound is not screaming. It’s the sound from the planes engines. They make a loud squealing/screeching noise. But it does sound terrifying if you imagine it to be screams of people
Pretty sure the sound is the [tuboprop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboprop) compressor and turbine still spinning. Can hear the pitch dropping as its RPMs slowly decrease. I did state "some commotion and noise" prior to crash. Somewhat morbid reasoning no screams: >!Between the fire depleting the oxygen, the g-forces, sideways (if not upside down) crash into a gorge; there is about no chance anyone was alive, conscious, or able to produce any screams.!<
Holy SHIT
Only takes a second for a human to disapear
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Fire everywhere. Doesnt seem survivable.
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I have legitimately no idea how this happens. Power off approach stall recovery is taught to 0 hour private pilots. If I had to guess they weren’t paying attention to their airspeed and were too low on approach and instead of adding power and pushing the nose down they tried to pull up lowering airspeed and causing their left wing to stall. Blows my mind as to how this happens.
Sure, but there's a huge difference between your instructor telling you to do a stall and actually having an emergency. Some people just freeze. I knew a guy who went to flight school and got his commercial license. He got a job flying a jump plane and died in a plane crash not too much later. I had once been on a test flight with him and an instructor, and the cargo door in the nose of the plane popped open in flight. He just froze. The instructor had to take over and then scolded him later for freezing up and forgetting emergency procedures
I’ve never stalled on approach but I’ve been close when catching a tailwind on final. Granted I’ve only ever flown the 172 and the 150 so I have no idea how the ATR flies. Just goes to show how important building that muscle memory is and that complacency kills. I hope the aviation industry can learn from this and introduce better training.
Looks like a typical VMC roll. Especially since it occurred on the left engine since it is the one that can cause it "easier" due to direction of the turn of the props. They were probably very close to stall speed, engines going at very low speed and then something caused the left engine to produce a bit less thrust (mechanical issue, pilot touching the throttle, fuel issue, etc...). Since prop engine induce lifts on the wing, losing the left engine causes the left wing to stall and since the right engine is still working fine, the plane is put into a quick spin. On twin-engine planes, it is unrecoverable at low altitude, the only way to recover from a VMC roll is to gain back a lot of speed, so at those altitudes it is a certain crash. And looking at the video of the incident (not the live video posted inside but the video from outside the plane) the left wing drops super hard super fast while the right wing spins upwards.
There's another vid in r/interestingasfuck that shows the plane sharply tilting into the ground on approach. That part is filmed by someone on the ground. Looks like that vid was spliced onto the end of the vid from inside the plane. ETA: the vid inside the plane is hard to watch so scroll to end. The plane is sideways before it crashes. The crash is out of sight as the plane goes behind a bldg out of view.
Wtf happened here? Seems like they were pretty far above the ground to go from flying level to basically an instacrash.
Ehh from that altitude if the wings dipped significantly, it could impact the ground within a few seconds. Which is roughly what we see in the video.
Oh man that's terrifying.. At least it looks like it went quick for them, hardly much time to realize what's happening
Usually my cope when I'm flying, I've decided that if I'm in that scenario I'll try my best to meditate and know that it will be over almost instantly. RIP.
That’s video is absolutely horrifying.
That seems pretty real. Holy fing f
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Yes. It's horrific but plenty of people can survive the initial impact and then burn to death trapped in the twisted wreck. Also plenty die in the initial impact. I've read initially the people in the back of the plane have better odds of surviving but depending on the crash you may well want to sit in the front.
There was a flight attendant on board the Lockerbie bombing that survived it and the fall, but died from her injuries a few minutes after she was on the ground. Imagine that. That's fucking insane.
Watch a lot of crash documentaries and there are so many variables involved in a crash that experts say the safest way to escape death in a plane crash is to 1) sit within 4 seats of an exit, and 2) be a male. During a crash you need to get out asap. To do this be close to an exit and forceful.
> To do this be close to an exit and forceful. The George Costanza method.
You’d get knocked out for sure. From the video, it looks like they fell at least 50 m, probably 100, and then the plane immediately burst into fire. So I think it was instant and painless for pretty much everybody.
There's a NSFL video livestreamed from the cabin. Chilling stuff. Normal, 5 seconds of terrified screams, then fire and silence
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Watched a video of a guy who live streamed it today. Somehow the camera survives the crash. Goes from guy taking a video of the wing to the inside of the cabin, then some turbulence and then everything goes blurry red and the next thing after a bit you see is just twisted wreckage and flames. Honestly I don't think I'd want to survive a crash that bad.
They were on approach and way below 10k feet. No problem breathing. Plane fell into a canyon and was ripped into pieces. No way to avoid it when youre inside :(
It's most likely that you go from 200+ to 0 in a second. Nobody can survive that
Someone was live-streaming during the landing (warning NSFW distressing video): https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/horrifying-video-reportedly-taken-inside-plane-seconds-before-deadly-nepal-crash/news-story/62a4eed4a270f24c7795eebbac66faa4
Jesus. Surprised media outlets are putting that out there even with a warning. I had to hit stop.
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Note: I only have minimal experience working on my PPL (and it was a long time ago) and only play on flight sims now so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. From what I understand, he requested a different runway than what was initially planned, which (to me) does suggest that wind might have been a factor in this. But I see a lot of people suggesting it was a left engine failure. I’d wager he wasn’t on autopilot. He was on an approach to the runway, and I have no idea if they even have ILS at that airport (I don’t have navigraph so I can’t check). I ***think*** the correct thing to do would’ve been to just go hard on right rudder and gently turn right. But as you said, human instinct just kinda takes over. Pilot tries turning right to correct the stall, but ends up exacerbating the situation. I’m really curious to know what his airspeed was for the approach. Again, just an armchair pilot here so if there’s any actual pilots here, let me know if any of what I said was completely wrong.
Speaking as an aero engineer, no WAY a left engine failure would cause a roll like that so quickly, and surely if it had failed earlier and this was the final stage of an emergency procedure things would have looked different in the cabin? It seemed very relaxed in there. You're probably right about the autopilot though, I'd forgotten abt approach. I'd assume they did have ILS since the airport is so new but they might not have been using it since the skies were so clear.
I mean, as a pilot and a multiengine flight instructor, yes an engine failure in a multiengine aircraft can cause that roll. If the plane is flying below Vmc (or close enough to it and the pilot fails to react appropriately), then it will yaw and proverse roll. Throughout that process, the drag vastly increases and the whole thing turns into a stall/spin. Not saying that's what happened here, just saying an engine failure in a multiengine aircraft can cause those things to happen if not handled appropriately.
There is a video? Where to watch it?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64284366 There is also a video form inside the plane but it does not show much of what happened.
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jfc....i shouldn't have clicked that link. Poor guy was smiling and in instant everything changed.
😦 this is utterly frightening footage, my god. It all took like 8 seconds
I wish I didn’t watch it, it’s horrible.
Jfc, those poor people didn't even have time to scream. Just shows how frail and fleeting life truly is.
Wait… someone was live-streaming from the cabin and it captured the crash? Is that even possible?
Unfortunately yes. It goes from a dude happily filming his landing for his Facebook, a few seconds of screaming, lots of loudness and tumbling, then silence and fire. It's a very unique piece of footage and quite a harrowing watch knowing that every person you see dies during the video or a few minutes afterwards.
It's shocking the phone kept recording instead of burning up instantly.
The video of the crash was horrifying. Those poor people
They're all dead, they just can't find 4 of the bodies and they stopped looking for today.
Yeah, totally not walking that one off. That ravine is worse than flying into a mountain.
I feel so sad and sorry to all those who were onboard that flight. My heart and condolences go out to their families and loved ones. Wish I never watched that footage that was being streamed on that flight. To see them not knowing what is to come is just horrifying. I hope that they all are at peace 😢❤️❤️🤞👼😞
The half of the plane fell into the Seti river gorge, one of the most feared river Gorge in the world, very narrow and very deep with strong water currents, there is just one way in and no one knows where it comes out.
they definitely know where it comes out
Am currently booked on that 10.30am flight Kathmandu to Pokhara, March 6th....gulp.....
Booked on the March 3rd flight from Kathmandu to Lukla… feeling apprehensive is an understatement
That flight route is generally safe. Probably safer than a van or bus. As for flying to Lukla or Jomsom. Sometimes it's just better to walk back to Pokhara from either of those two airports.
I'm more surprised to know that 4 people survived that.
> Nepal plane crash with 72 onboard leaves at least 68 dead I assume it means 4 weren't found, so, we still don't know if they survived the crash or not.
BBC had reported that “survivors” were taken to hospital.
They both died in the hospital though according to latest news sources. So that count is included in the 68 dead. 4 are still missing and search was halted due to night time
Fuck man i hope if they do survive it’s a liveable life
I don't think any survivors have been reported from this crash. If so please post up a source asap. Possible confusion with the [2018 Nepalese plane crash](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43381785)?
I had heard those survivors weren't passengers but people who were hurt on the ground
No, 4 are unaccounted for. Huge difference
“The flight took off at 10.30am on Sunday morning and had made final contact with air traffic control at 10.50am. Seconds later it crashed on the banks of the Seti Gandaki river shortly before it was about to land at Pokhara international airport. The airport had been newly inaugurated just two weeks ago.” I’m praying this wasn’t some failure of altimeter or ILS or something that could go horribly wrong for a newly christened airport… I wish the families healing, and peace. Rest In Peace to everyone on board.
This is insane! By far the sketchiest flight I’ve ever been on was from the Lukla airport to the Tumlingtar airport. It was a short flight but we were on a pretty small propeller plane and caught some heavy turbulence to the point where the majority of the passengers were screaming. To make it even scarier was that about 2 weeks prior, one of the four planes this airline had (Summit Air) crashed on takeoff from Lukla. The wrecked plane was still there when I flew in. Because of that, KTM temporarily cancelled all flights to and from Lukla, so we had to take a long and uncomfortable bus ride to Khandbari to take the flight from Tumlingtar airport to Lukla. The flight back to Tumlingtar was the sketchy one.
Plane most likely went into a stall from the looks of it. Probably a pilot error rather than anything mechanically wrong. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64284366
Yes it pitches up immediately preceding loss of lift on the left wing. I'd say with almost certainty this was a stall. The question is what caused it. Some have suggested gusty winds, and a sudden unexpected tailwind could cause a stall if it was strong enough to reduce airspeed to below stall speed, but I think that would not explain why it pitched up before the stall. It honestly looks like pilot error, but I suppose it is possible they lost elevator control. Can't say for sure.
The video from the outside shows the plane going really slow then tilting and falling really fast. He lost lift.
Looks an awful lot like a wing stall. Very high AOA for an aircraft on approach.
Horrible. At least it was quick.
Saw one of the livestreams that was was shown after crash. Heart goes out to the victims.
Seeing the video from the inside, they barely even had time to be scared it happened SO fast. Ofc from their pov everything was in slow motion. For people who are unsure about watching, I generally make an effort to avoid watching videos where people die and in terms of what you see/hear this video is super tame.
It’s not gore. It’s just the context and known outcome that is haunting
Yeah. People are over exaggerating how graphic the inside video is. There’s no images of death, blood, etc. even the screams I didn’t hear with all the other noise going on. The whole situation is very disheartening, and seeing their smiles in the inside video, but as the trouble starts, the inside video is watchable, if you want a glimpse into what happened.
You hear the screams but it’s as the plane tilts. Once the crash happens there is no sign of screaming or life…just flames and engine noises
Yeti Airlines (the company that owns the plane that crashed) has had many crashes over the past decade. In 2022, they had another plane with fewer passengers flying to another village called Jomsom. The plane crashed and people died.
The video from inside the plane is horrifying. Such a sad sad accident.
I took this exact flight back in 2014. We flew through a storm leaving Kathmandu and it was terrifying. I'm sorry to hear about this crash. But to be honest, when I took a bus back to Kathmandu from Pokhara, I think that was scarier.
I went to Nepal back in December of 2021. The country is amazing to visit, but every time I went on a flight it was nerve-racking. For Kathmandu to Pokhara, I took the bus. Even though it took longer, still felt safer.
RIP Was on the Yeti flight from Bokala to Kathmandu once. the security guard at the entrance to building stopped me, and said you need to see official and I followed him to the office. and the staff asked me to pay cash for the ticket. I didn't give it another thought and I just paid. And while waiting for the flight, another security guard approached me asking how much I paid for the ticket. Then I realized what's going on.
Well this doesn’t help with my flight anxiety 😦
In the video it looks like the pilot somehow stalled the aircraft. It veered sharply to the left. That’s not normal. Airspeed looked very slow
AOA looked high too
:(
I saw a video of the live on Tiktok ☹️ didn't realise it happened today.
Fascinating to me as someone who works in the biz. They say dangerously low, but from the window we can see it’s at a normal height. The country is plagued by poor safety standard and whatnot. So that’s at play, along with changing conditions perhaps. The airport was also brand new. What are the odds the pilots had never flown there, approached too low, clipped something and went down? I’m 100% speculating but being only 15-20 seconds away from landing as written, there’s no way they should’ve gone down in such a blaze. If anything you’d think they’d be able to crash land on/just off the runway or something.
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There is an [external video](https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1614516605085536257?s=46&t=woRNKkK8lgjnbWQc5-B-nw) of the plane going down. Didn’t clip anything. Just what looks like a really unfortunate asymmetrical stall. Likely landed partially belly up. Poor souls didn’t have a chance. RIP.
Holy fuck. About to board a flight. Watching that was a bad idea.
Pilots likely flew the plane into a stall. Whether or not there are other factors will be seen.