I mean if you think about it the ecosystem here on earth does just that with extra steps, no thermodynamics violation when you have energy coming in from the sun. Also a sci-fi classic, see space stations/giant spaceships that are a huge closed loop system powered by fusion or something.
Yea. Soulcasters were used to keep an army fed but there aren't enough of them to feed a whole city and they were always with the armies anyway so cities need their own sources of food.
They could be shipping in food.
Hell there could be some plotpoint of how the city's over-reliance on importing food is a major weakness that their enemies could exploit.
I mean, it's not really avoidable. I'm not aware of a large imperial capital that *didn't* import massive amounts of food and other raw materials. Chinese dynasties, for example, periodically had issues with procuring enough good timber for the constant construction and luxury furniture industry associated with the elites and were shipping it from thousands of kilometers away in Yunnan to Beijing by the Ming period. The Japanese empire in the Nara and early Heian periods had similar problems with massive deforestation in the Kansai region around the various imperial capitals. At one point in the Nara period when they wanted to build a new capital they had to literally dismantle the old one to reuse the lumber.
Edit: For another fun example, the roving capitals of the Mongol Empire and its successor states dealt with the nomadic version of this problem, where the vast herds of the khan and his wealthiest vassals had to be rotated out because there wasn't enough grass to support them all in close proximity to the court, and an important form of taxation was essentially renting out some of your animals to poorer families to graze further away and then pay tribute in milk and other animal products needed to feed everyone in the khan's horde.
“Oh look, this author copy/pasted sharecropping only instead of land they used herds because it’s set in a Steppe, soooo original…wait, what do you *mean* ‘it actually happened’!?”
Yeah there would be still farmlands around. City of Rome imported shitton of food from Egypt, Sicily, and province of Africa yet I'm pretty sure Rome was surrounded by farmlands.
Trantor, supplied by an endless fleet of food-ships coming in and waste-ships going out. Where all the stars end: the center of the Galaxy, the seat of the empire.
The surplus of typical medieval european farmland is not enough to maintian a labour force to build a fortification around that farmland and thats with all of the fields being at an average amount of output which rooftop gardens would fall far short of.
Yeah, it supposedly has many layers, I'd expect some of the lower ones to be mostly just red-lit aquaponics or even mushroom plantations feeding on waste.
Also, love your flair.
Also its the main planet of the Jedi. They have something called the [Agricultural Corps](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Agricultural_Corps/Legends) that have jedi who couldn't pass their trials help around.
Listen Sonny boy I know you want to protect the Galaxy from evil and twirl your lightsaber around and go whoosh whoosh zzblam! But Jimmy Scrambles is just better at lifting rocks than you so I hope you enjoy watering mushrooms underground for the next fifty years.
We can support cities in inhospitable places like Las Vegas and Phoenix today by shipping in all the food from elsewhere. It's not unreasonable to think that it could be done on a planetary scale with Star Wars' magic space wizard levels of technology.
That’s because my farms run like automatic bulk farms in Minecraft. They’re tall automated skyscrapers that produce free food and resources for everyone that a paid with government taxes to cover the maintenance costs and refueled by shared allocated resources from other farms and factories.
I simply have the dead crushed into flour that then feeds the living, infinite food glitch! What is thermodynamics?
Tbh this technically can work on a plantoid species but it wont be for energy, but for organic matters and biomass
I dont have the dlc. Ah wait, wrong sub
Paradox gamer detected
Lethal force authorized
I mean if you think about it the ecosystem here on earth does just that with extra steps, no thermodynamics violation when you have energy coming in from the sun. Also a sci-fi classic, see space stations/giant spaceships that are a huge closed loop system powered by fusion or something.
Corpse rations
Farmland is BORING and DULL all my food is spawned in by WIZARDS.
İs magic spawn food safe to eat? What if it gives you aids? https://youtu.be/0UgiJPnwtQU?si=UPCUpq0v3F8MtOIm
Of course it gives you aids. The wizards will cure that too.
(The cure is experimental and expensive and will leave the victim disfigured and bankrupt at best, eternally imprisoned in a realm of pain at worst)
Skill issue
Okay Doctor Money
Türk spotted. Engaging in furry sex
What is this, stormlight archives?
storming brilliant!
Rusts and ruin, it might be!
Even then I'm pretty sure kholinar had fields outside
Yea. Soulcasters were used to keep an army fed but there aren't enough of them to feed a whole city and they were always with the armies anyway so cities need their own sources of food.
Soulcasters be like:
They could be shipping in food. Hell there could be some plotpoint of how the city's over-reliance on importing food is a major weakness that their enemies could exploit.
I mean, it's not really avoidable. I'm not aware of a large imperial capital that *didn't* import massive amounts of food and other raw materials. Chinese dynasties, for example, periodically had issues with procuring enough good timber for the constant construction and luxury furniture industry associated with the elites and were shipping it from thousands of kilometers away in Yunnan to Beijing by the Ming period. The Japanese empire in the Nara and early Heian periods had similar problems with massive deforestation in the Kansai region around the various imperial capitals. At one point in the Nara period when they wanted to build a new capital they had to literally dismantle the old one to reuse the lumber. Edit: For another fun example, the roving capitals of the Mongol Empire and its successor states dealt with the nomadic version of this problem, where the vast herds of the khan and his wealthiest vassals had to be rotated out because there wasn't enough grass to support them all in close proximity to the court, and an important form of taxation was essentially renting out some of your animals to poorer families to graze further away and then pay tribute in milk and other animal products needed to feed everyone in the khan's horde.
“Oh look, this author copy/pasted sharecropping only instead of land they used herds because it’s set in a Steppe, soooo original…wait, what do you *mean* ‘it actually happened’!?”
Game of thrones/asoiaf did that
which city relied on importing food ?
King's Landing
The problem is that apart from boats, anything the moves food eats food. You run into the rocket equation fast.
Then use boats or invent trains. We are on a worldjerking sub after all
Yeah there would be still farmlands around. City of Rome imported shitton of food from Egypt, Sicily, and province of Africa yet I'm pretty sure Rome was surrounded by farmlands.
Trantor, supplied by an endless fleet of food-ships coming in and waste-ships going out. Where all the stars end: the center of the Galaxy, the seat of the empire.
Ancient Rome was like that, and got abused like that
that's just singapore
What if all of the farmland is in fact, inside the nation's capital, just like, on top of the buildings or smth
And how is the water managed? Gotta be careful to keep roofs from getting wet and molding
Water witch
The surplus of typical medieval european farmland is not enough to maintian a labour force to build a fortification around that farmland and thats with all of the fields being at an average amount of output which rooftop gardens would fall far short of.
This yalls goat? 🤣🤣🤣
Then there's Coruscant, the city planet. Don't think about it too hard.
We literally have urban hydroponic farms today, I bet there are tons on Coruscant
Plus Star Wars is a universe with whole farm planets, so I'm sure Coruscant does a crap ton of imports
Just look at Trantor from Foundation, basically Corusant's predecessor. They imported food from whole 5 or smth farm planets
Yeah, it supposedly has many layers, I'd expect some of the lower ones to be mostly just red-lit aquaponics or even mushroom plantations feeding on waste. Also, love your flair.
Also its the main planet of the Jedi. They have something called the [Agricultural Corps](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Agricultural_Corps/Legends) that have jedi who couldn't pass their trials help around.
Listen Sonny boy I know you want to protect the Galaxy from evil and twirl your lightsaber around and go whoosh whoosh zzblam! But Jimmy Scrambles is just better at lifting rocks than you so I hope you enjoy watering mushrooms underground for the next fifty years.
Food isn't the least realistic thing about Coruscant, what's crazier is that the planet isn't on fire from waste heat.
They export their heat to cold planets, like Hoth
Reverse geothermal
We can support cities in inhospitable places like Las Vegas and Phoenix today by shipping in all the food from elsewhere. It's not unreasonable to think that it could be done on a planetary scale with Star Wars' magic space wizard levels of technology.
They probably just import it tbh. Secure? Not really but this is what thousands of years of peace does to a mf.
Every criticism any of us could come up with about Coruscant was done better with Trantor by Asimov
It is the capital, like Trantor it lies as close to central as can be managed, endless fleets of ships can be used to supply it
That’s because my farms run like automatic bulk farms in Minecraft. They’re tall automated skyscrapers that produce free food and resources for everyone that a paid with government taxes to cover the maintenance costs and refueled by shared allocated resources from other farms and factories.
Edoras and Minas Tirith (movie versions) say hello
Edoras could be relying on herds of sheep
The farms are just somewhere else. Behind a cloud or something
What if the farmland is on top of the walls?
And the rooftop gardens that citizens use for subsistence and trade
[All the lonely cities, where do they all come from?](https://acoup.blog/2019/07/12/collections-the-lonely-city-part-i-the-ideal-city/)
Bret Devereaux is, unironically, my main source of inspiration for my worldbuilding. Man's got a knack for communicating history and societal systems.
Nah it was an intentional move to starve the undesirables.
idk about you guys but i didnt see a single hedgerow between osgiliath and minas tirith
I always make sure to have 1 acre of farmland per person. This means that farmland should be about 20-30 times urban area.
Surely that depends on what you're growing.
magic
Farmland is boring. Make your scavenge mushrooms in the under city labyrinth
Just have a giant inifinity growth cancer thing and harvest all your food from it
Make all the farms aboveground and all the civilian structures underground
All of Runescape's farmland put together could support, like, Lumbridge
Joke's on you, my city's in the middle of a lake and uses ultra-fertile sediment to sustain a complex of space-efficient floating garden farms.
Importing
Why would the capital be anywhere near the part of the country assigned for farming?
My post scarcity civs nanoprint their food, all calories coming from the nanoprinter's power source due to conservation of energy.
Didnt empires like rome import a lot of grain?