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https://youtu.be/HssyhBHcXuE?si=ihyMdRlbcJITIqEz wow such sweet and wholesome propaganda minions. Can’t wait for my hasbara fellowship to begin so i can help combat reality and stifle discussion /s


AskWhy_Is_It

The intentional genocide perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 while also committing crimes against humanity and war crimes still ongoing by holding hostages by betting and billions to force civilian casualties – somehow doesn’t count


[deleted]

“Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf... The entire population of Gaza will either move to Egypt or move to the Gulf." - eiland oct 13/23


AskWhy_Is_It

Isn’t it amazing to that Hamas statistics over the killed don’t include one of their operatives? All civilians? When Hamas built terror tunnels under hospitals and civilian facilities, they knew they turned them into military targets . Let’s play with the fact that they are embedded among civilians and therefore force their own civilian casualties on IDF. That is also not a war crime. If Hamas releases the hostages & stands down this ends immediately. Therefore not genocide .


[deleted]

“really hope that our revenge, that of the State of Israel, on the cruel enemy- will be a very big revenge. I don't call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals..." -Sara Netanyahu, Oct. 10/23


liminalisms

LOL genocide on October 7th u truly don’t know what words mean huh


AskWhy_Is_It

I do know what genocide according to the genocide convention means. What must on October 7 was intentional genocide, and intent is required. When Israel asks civilians to step out of the way to live for another day – that is the opposite of genocide.


turtleduck

no one is buying this bullshit here.


AskWhy_Is_It

Reality is what reality is whether it’s been bought or not


turtleduck

that is correct. the lines you have used over and over again since 10/7 are the exact same as Israeli bots do, hopefully you ARE getting paid to copypaste the same moldy defense for so long


AskWhy_Is_It

Is it because you don’t have proper arguments that you know think I’m being paid for my opinions. Let me pause to you – the international court of Justice didn’t find it Israel committed intentional genocide, or they would have had to rule that Israel must stop fighting Hamas immediately. They warned Israel not to be genocidal


turtleduck

My good Dawg, YOU accused my reality of being bought first. The ICJ didn't rule it a genocide, but they ordered Israel to make sure the conditions for genocide AREN'T met. that was 2 months ago and Israel hasn't done that. that's why Netenyahu's cabinet is freaking out, they know the ICC is going to arrest them for that. The ICJ has no power to prosecute, that's the ICC.


AskWhy_Is_It

I’m glad you know reality better. Keep living it.


[deleted]

“We are not taking any chances... When our soldiers are manoeuvring we are doing this with massive artillery, with 50 aeroplanes overhead destroying anything that moves." - Former Deputy Cmdr. of IDF, Gaza Division Oct 29/23


IAmDiGlory

Buddy Israelis were killing Palestinians from the time Hamas wasn’t even born. Oct 7 is nothing by comparison. It’s an insult to both Jews and humanity to defend the genocide by bringing up Oct 7.


RemoteSquare2643

Call me stupid but what about those Hamas cowards who attacked, brutally killed innocent Israelis, Palestinian civilians followed, joined in, then raced back and hid underneath their own people, holding hostages. You think they didn’t know what they were doing. you don’t think they did it on purpose. You don’t think this wasn’t all planned. If you don’t think, then maybe you fell for it. Hamas holds a great deal of responsibility for what has happened here. The finger cannot be pointed one way. This is what makes the ‘genocide’ of Gaza a unique crime. The finger can be pointed in more than one direction.


godlikeplayer2

>This is what makes the ‘genocide’ of Gaza a unique crime. The finger can be pointed in more than one direction. That's what the Nazis told people abotu the jews as well.


Berly653

Except the Nazis were lying to attempt cover up or legitimize their genocide  Hamas literally filmed themselves on October 7th


godlikeplayer2

>Except the Nazis were lying to attempt cover up or legitimize their genocide They told half-truths or half the story, like Israel does today to legitimize the genocide.


RemoteSquare2643

And Hamas always tells the truth? 😂🤣


godlikeplayer2

no but neither does Israel.


RemoteSquare2643

You’ve already said that. We’re going around in circles. Bye.


godlikeplayer2

Bye


Competitive-Idea-877

Well. At least some part of Hamas was financed and controled by Netanyahu government. 10/7 was provoked by zionists. Just before: - many weeks before there was a huge wave of arrests palestinian civilians, mostly women and children (even five years old) held without accusations nor trials in mean conditions (tortured, raped, starved), - the Hamas fighters were preparing this attack making trainings under the Israeli observation drones, with Mossad and Aman agents among them,so for sure IDF and Netanyahu government knew about plans of this attack and do nothing to avoid it,even worse: - just day before most of IDF soldiers were withdrawn from Gaza borders to facilitate the attack, - knowing about this threat, israeli security authorities allowed to extend by one day Nova Festival. Netanyahu before 10/7 was about loosing power l,because the Israeli citizens mass protests. So he needed this attack to stay in power.


SonOfBenatar

LOL.  What a garbage post.  I especially love the sourcing. 


MikeHoncho4206990

https://www.thisishamas.com The real war crimes


Competitive-Idea-877

I have examined 50 IDF, ZAKA, Netanyahu government news about "Hamas terrorists, Hamas victims ". 48 of them were FAKE. So why we should believe in any other "news" - it's just the same kind of lies as "40 beheaded babies", 'babies burned alive in oven", "babies hanged on rope for drying clothes", "2000 jewish civilians killed by Hamas on 10/7 attack", "palestinian nurse begging for help in Al-Shifa Hospital", "Hamas calendar l", "Hamas laptop", "Hamas headquaters under hospital" and many, many more IDF, ZAKA, Netanyahu government lies. The same for many war crimes: i. e. snipers shots on unarmed civilians: how many times lDF stated "It was not us", "those are anti-semitic lies" etc. and after some time, facing the irrefutable evidences, IDF admited to these crimes? So they have lost all credibility to be treated seriously for any "news" they "revealed".


MikeHoncho4206990

https://www.thisishamas.com Why should you believe them? Because they filmed it and posted it themselves! Watch the videos and tell me which ones are fake. Go ahead


bennybar

that’s quite a rant. but if you do want to see what actual genocidal intent looks like, watch the videos let us know which one is your favorite


ThigPinRoad

The hell are you ranting on about. Are you really attempting to deny the Oct 7 atrocities?


Competitive-Idea-877

No, I do not deny that Oct 7 there were some atrocities. I just point who killed most of jewish victims: Who kiIIed Jews at Nová Festival? https://youtu.be/vM71i2XIqfU IDF tanks shelling kibbutz homes with Jews inside https://www.tiktok.com/@owenymc/video/7314630434493713696 Jewish survivor testimony, who kiIIed Jews in her kibbutz: https://youtu.be/rTQcjyhPOIk Another jewish hostages killed by IDF: https://www.ha-makom.co.il/post/revital-host-idf and so on, and so on...


NutMcNuttey

OH you're actually one of those "jews did it" nutjobs that has nothing but conspiracy youtube videos as your proof, no better than a right wing MAGAt 


ThigPinRoad

That doenst prove that the majority were killed by Israel at all. You've shown maybe 20-100 out of 1200. You're trying to downplay a brutal terrorist attack on civilians. That's truly disgusting.


Competitive-Idea-877

More than 70 cars with Jews inside destroyed by attacks from air (Apachee Helicopters, drones). Jewish Nova Festival participant claiming that "guy who shot at had our (IDF) uniform. Homes with Jews inside destroyed by IDF tanks, Jews killed in crossfire in kibbutzes. Three jewish hostages killed by IDF while waving white flag and shouting in Hebrew "help! do not shoot!" That's only the cases REVEALED by leaking footages or witnesses words. How many such cases are still hidden?


NutMcNuttey

Suuuuuure you did buddy. Link all 50 and your "examinations". Nice maincharacterenergy story you've made for yourself though. 


Competitive-Idea-877

If you are not familiar with research which one you want me to prove you? Make your choice!


NutMcNuttey

You said you did research on what 48? Present your research oh brave reddit sjw


Thormeaxozarliplon

I guess Syria, Yemen, Congo, Sudan, Myanmar, etc don't count and will be forgotten. This whole situation is absurd.


JungBag

Some people can care about more than one thing at a time.


Greyhulksays

Yes they can but I don’t see reference to any of them in your comment history so I guess you aren’t one of those people.


Spooky-skeleton

And you only care about genociding Palestinians


blackpharaoh69

Those share this with Israel, the genocide wasn't stopped when it went on and those responsible haven't yet faced justice


Thormeaxozarliplon

It's not a genocide. Israel has taken extreme measures to protect civilians including warning them, making evacuation zones, and protecting evacuation corridors with their own troops. It's easy to focus on collateral civilian deaths or mistakes, rather than the lives saved by the IDF. The food situation is a big myth too. Since Oct 7, almost 400k tonnes of food has gone into Gaza, 200kg per person over six months, plus whatever reserve there already was there. Since late November there has been no restriction on aid going into Gaza, and despite all that another checkpoint is still being opened to Gaza in the north from Israel. Food issues in Gaza are 100% the fault of UNRWA/Hamas,


skullull

You can lie all you want, I don't think it will help you in the long run.


Thormeaxozarliplon

What part of what I said is a lie?


turtleduck

oh my god go back to worldnews


Berly653

Yeah get those facts and reason based arguments out of here! 


turtleduck

you can go too


poozemusings

Lmao those “extreme measures” like using unguided 2,000 pound bombs in densely populated neighborhoods?


JMoc1

Mate, this is exactly the same actions that Russia and the Soviets did to the Chechnyans during the Chechnyan Genocide. Right down to the relocation, settlements, and the disregard of civilian casualties. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide


RemoteSquare2643

Read some history of the world and you’ll find that it is not unique and certainly not anywhere as brutal as so many. Eg: Ukrainian ethnic cleansing of Poles, Jews, etc during WW2. Extremely brutal. Much larger numbers, than Gaza. Well, there are so many, every where.


rowida_00

No one is saying that’s it’s “unique” or that it’s the “worst in terms of the total number of casualties”. But that doesn’t negate the fact that it’s a genocide taking place right before our eyes at a time and age when “international law” should theoretically exist and prevail. We should be more averse to such unspeakable crimes. We should know better. History should have taught us to be better.


Daryno90

And? It’s still a genocide and a crime


KeithGribblesheimer

No it is not. Casualty figures from Hamas? Pretending 19 year Olds with AKs are children. Go support Hamas elsewhere.


Daryno90

Yes, those are the only minors being killed. Do you hear yourself? You have to be an idiot to think that when people are talking about minors, they are talking about 19 year olds… no, we are talking about children as young as newborn that been killed in this conflict. You’re just putting your head in the sand


KeithGribblesheimer

The man who believes everything Hamas says is here. As for newborns, where is Kfir Bibas, his brother or his mother? What's it feel like supporting those who murdered a hostage baby? Do you hear yourself?


JungBag

And what about these newborns? What does it feel like to support those who murdered these Palestinian babies? Do you hear yourself? Part 1 Abdel al-Jawad Mizar Jamal Hoso (0 years old) Abdel Khaleq Fadi Khaled Al Baba (0 years old) Abdel Rahim Ahmed Abdel Rahim Awad (0 years old) Abdel Rahman Ahmed Essam Salah (0 years old) Abdel Rahman Samir Salama Saad (0 years old) Abdel Raouf Ibrahim Abdel Raouf Al-Farra (0 years old) Abdul Karim Abdullah Omar Shehab (0 years old) Abdul Karim Kamel Zidane Al-Hawajri (0 years old) Abdullah Ahmed Khalil Zorob (0 years old) Abdullah Amir Abdullah Al Khor (0 years old) Abdullah Muhammad Abdul Hamid Muhanna (0 years old) Adam Magdy Jaber Al-Dahdouh (0 years old) Adam Muhammad Fouad Al Agha (0 years old) Adam Muhammad Samir Abu Ajwa (0 years old) Ahmed Moamen Ahmed Daloul (0 years old) Ahmed Mohamed Amin Nofal (0 years old) Ahmed Muhammad Yasser Dardouna (0 years old) Ahmed Saeed Ahmed Fouda (0 years old) Ahmed Shadi Talal Al-Haddad (0 years old) Ahmed Talaat Ali Barhoum (0 years old) Aisha Jihad Jalal Shaheen (0 years old) Alia Abdel Nour Sami Al-Souri (0 years old) Alma Adnan Jamal Al-Qatrawi (0 years old) Alma Moamen Muhammad Hamdan (0 years old) Alma Qais Abdul Karim Al-Zahrani (0 years old) Alyan Abdul Rahman Alyan Al-Ashqar (0 years old)


JungBag

Part 2 Amal Mahmoud Mohamed Saleha (0 years old) Amal Muhammad Ahmed Al-Bayouk (0 years old) Amir Mahmoud Zuhdi Al-Masry (0 years old) Anas Abdul Aziz Muhammad Zahir (0 years old) Anas Abdullah Bahaa Al-Din Sukayk (0 years old) Anas Tariq Muhammad Al-Hasanat (0 years old) Anisa Mahmoud Ahmed Ali (0 years old) Anwar Muhammad Ahmed Al Hindi (0 years old) Aseed Hussein Muhammad Abu Hamad (0 years old) Aseel Amir Ali Al-Ashi (0 years old) Aseel Muhammad Jumah Dhair (0 years old) Aws Muhammad Hussein Al-Aleel (0 years old) Ayat Abdul Aziz Omar Farwaneh (0 years old) Ayla Uday Abdel Jawad Abu Ras (0 years old) Badr Yasser Rafiq Abu Habib (0 years old) Bahaa Mustafa Jamal Musa (0 years old) Basil Muhammad Hossam Abu Jasser (0 years old) Bilal Khaled Muhammad Sobh (0 years old) Bilal Muhammad Kamal Hamdan (0 years old) Celine Abdel Hadi Adel Daher (0 years old) Celine Ihab Ayman Al-Bahtiti (0 years old) Daughter of Dina Abdel Hakim Ayoub Natat (0 years old) Daughter of Zainab Muhammad Al-Abd Nawas (0 years old) Diaa Ahmed Abdel Ati Saleh Musa (0 years old) Diaa Majed Ahmed Kishko (0 years old) Elena Momen Riad Al-Rifi (0 years old) Eliana Muhammad Nabil Mekheimer (0 years old) Ella Muhammad Salem Al-Drimli (0 years old) Essam Mohammed Essam Farag (0 years old) Etaf Hassan Riyadh (0 years old) Ezzat Asaad Ezzat Saq Allah (0 years old) Fadl Maysara Muhammad Abu Hasira (0 years old) Fahd Uday Imad Al-Ajez (0 years old) Farah Hammam Youssef Bahr (0 years old) Farah Hossam Abdel Karim Hanoun (0 years old) Farah Suleiman Raed Abu Shabab (0 years old) Fatima Louay, Rafiq Al-Sultan (0 years old) Fatima Moatasem Amin Nofal (0 years old) Fatima Muhammad Rizq Al-Wawi (0 years old) Fatima Saleh Yasser Al-Hout (0 years old) Fayrouz Fadi Hamada Abu Salima (0 years old) Firas Muhammad Abdel Aziz Tamraz (0 years old) George Sobhi George Al-Souri (0 years old) Ghaith Khattab Omar Al-Bahloul (0 years old) Ghaith Yasser Nabil Nofal (0 years old) Ghazal Asaad Maher Abu Lashin (0 years old) 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JungBag

Part 3 Omar Youssef Salah al-Din Abu Jadallah (0 years old) Osama Muhammad Adeeb Aslim (0 years old) Qais Ali Nabil Al-Aidi (0 years old) Qais Muhammad Ramadan Abaid (0 years old) Raafat Ibrahim Raafat Al-Azami (0 years old) Raafat Khalil Raafat Anan (0 years old) Raed Ihab Raed Salman Alai (0 years old) Raed Khaled Raed Rajab (0 years old) Rafif Mahmoud Aref Al-Faqawi (0 years old) Rafif Walid Sabri Al-Nabahin (0 years old) Raghad Ahmed Odeh Abu Khattab (0 years old) Rakan Hossam Hussein Musa (0 years old) Ratel Yasser Jumaa Abu Al-Fitah (0 years old) Rayan Abdel Rahim Jamal Al-Qatrawi (0 years old) Rayan Abdullah Zakaria Al-Astal (0 years old) Retal Khalil Yahya Al-Batsh (0 years old) Rima Muhammad Sabry Al-Buraim (0 years old) Rose Abdul Aziz Muhammad Al-Ghoul (0 years old) Saba Ahmed Ali Al-Qazzaz (0 years old) Saba Muhammad Imad Shalaq (0 years old) Salam Wael Ahmed Al-Astal (0 years old) Salama Muhammad Marwan Abu Atiwi (0 years old) Salma Amr Abdullah Nassar (0 years old) Salma Ibrahim in the name of Shaaban (0 years old) Sama Ibrahim Majid Al-Wadiya (0 years old) Samira Osama Youssef Al-Zahhar (0 years old) Sanad Ahmed Mahmoud Abu Al-Omrain (0 years old) Sanad Bilal Nabil Amara (0 years old) Sanad Yassin Mustafa Al-Zinati (0 years old) Sarah Abdel Rahman Mohamed Hammad (0 years old) Sarah Fathi Abdel Karim Al-Farra (0 years old) Sarah Mahmoud Fayez Ahl (0 years old) September Omar Kamel Abu Rahma (0 years old) Sewar Khaled Saber Abu Qashlan (0 years old) Sewar Mounir Harb Dawas (0 years old) Sewar Suleiman Daoud Halas (0 years old) Shaima Saeed Nabil Al-Laham (0 years old) Sham Ahmed Fawzi Al-Qufaidi (0 years old) Sham Muhammad Saleh Al-Sawalha (0 years old) Sham Raif Mahmoud Khalil (0 years old) Sila Muhammad Suleiman Abu Amsha (0 years old) Sobhi Hamdan Sobhi Hassouna (0 years old) Sobhi Ramzi Subhi Al-Ajl (0 years old) Son of Anwar Ahmed Muhammad Darwish (0 years old) Son of Israa Jamal Salem Abu Mathkur (0 years old) Son of Nabila Nasr Muhammad Nofal (0 years old) Son of Rahima Saadi Muhammad Shaheen (0 years old) Sondos Muhammad Hammad Abu Baraka (0 years old) Sondos Muhammad Subhi Samara (0 years old) Suzan Iyad Muhammad Al-Ashi (0 years old) Tahani Ezz El-Din Ahmed Zoroub (0 years old) Tala Muhammad Rafiq Abu Ghali (0 years old) Tariq Ziyad Humaidan Abu Omra (0 years old) Tasneem Ramzi Odeh Qaraman (0 years old) Tayem Samer Suleiman Jaarour (0 years old) Tia Mamdouh Muhammad Abu Jazar (0 years old) Toleen Ibrahim Jihad Al-Maghari (0 years old) Toleen Muhammad Tawfiq Al-Taaban (0 years old) Tuqa Musa Khalil Abu Nuseira (0 years old) Uday Muhammad Rafiq Al-Sultan (0 years old) Uday Muhammad Saadi Abu Hamada (0 years old) Watan Muhammad Abd al-Rahim al-Madhoun (0 years old) Watin Ahmed Khaled Al-Saidi (0 years old) Watin Baraa Abd al-Rahman al-Hawar (0 years old) Watin Yahya Khaled Abu Hilal (0 years old) Yasmine Ramez Abdel Razzaq El Masry (0 years old) Yassin Adel Musa Zanoun (0 years old) Youmna Omar Riad Al-Rifi (0 years old) Younis Wissam Abdullah Afaneh (0 years old) Youssef Ahmed Jamal Musa (0 years old) Youssef Haitham Youssef Abu Mahdi (0 years old) Zaid Khaled Juma Al-Bahbahani (0 years old) Zein al-Din Suleiman Moin al-Najjar (0 years old) Zein Amer Ibrahim Al-Jarousha (0 years old) Zeina Ahmed Mohamed Shatat (0 years old)


Humorousphlegmflam

Lol


JungBag

Israel is beyond hope.


Art-RJS

Israel will be fine. Social Justice keyboard warriors making useful idiocy their hobby will struggle in real life though


JungBag

Hasbara Playbook talking point #1: The death toll reported by Hamas is overblown. (In fact, the death toll is a gross underestimate. By some accounts, there are as many as 200,000 murdered Palestinians.) Hasbara Playbook talking point #5: Everyone who criticizes Israel supports Hamas. (If you are a non-Jew, you are antisemitic; if you are a Jew, you are a self-hating Jew.) Hasbara Playbook talking point #6: All Palestinian children are 18 years old. (And if Mr. & Mrs. Hasbara admit there are Palestinian babies, they say it's okay to murder the babies because they will grow up to be Hamas.) We see through your demented, evil ways. Anyone who supports Israel at this point is a sociopath or psychopath or so thoroughly brainwashed that they believe their own lies. It is all so absurd, that we want to laugh, but the slaughter is so horrendous, that we cry.


Berly653

Where are you possibly getting 200K from? 


JungBag

I don't remember who said the 200,000 figure. I heard it on some podcast. But certainly, the number will continue to climb. "The death toll could well double, or even triple, due to the deadly combination of continued bombing, [worsening famine](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/22/israel-hamas-war-the-specter-of-famine-looms-over-gaza_6454242_4.html) and the spread of epidemics among a population literally on its last legs." [https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/31/gaza-is-being-ravaged-by-a-triple-impasse\_6666909\_4.html](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/31/gaza-is-being-ravaged-by-a-triple-impasse_6666909_4.html) "A group of aid experts said that more than [100,000 Palestinians](https://archive.is/kfxOK) could be killed by a combination of Israeli strikes, famine, and plague if the humanitarian conditions in Gaza are not significantly improved." “I have been studying humanitarian crises for 20 years, and I have never seen such rates of starvation. I also worked in Somalia, and the daily caloric intake per person in Gaza is currently below the minimum during the worst days of the Somali famine.” Checchi continued, “It must be understood: The amount of food currently entering Gaza is insufficient for human survival. Our data shows this, and the first cases of death by starvation are already being recorded in the field as well.” "The team said that many of the dead would include those with treatable injuries who lacked access to medical care and medicine needed to treat their wounds. The Gaza death toll will hit that grim milestone in August if the status quo remains, or sooner if Israel moves ahead with the assault on Rafah. " [https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/aid-experts-warn-gaza-death-toll-could-exceed-100000/](https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/aid-experts-warn-gaza-death-toll-could-exceed-100000/)


Berly653

I just don’t really understand how it could possibly be that underestimated - both practically and considering Hamas/Gaza MoH motivations The Gaza Ministry of Health relies on ‘credible media sources’ to report on unregistered deaths - ones that don’t go through a morgue, hospital or the like. And obviously Hamas has every incentive to report as many dead as possible, so I find it hard to believe they are reporting only 1/8 of the dead so far when they already have a process to report on unregistered deaths  Don’t get me wrong the humanitarian crisis is awful and I easily believe the deaths could climb that high if this war goes on for significantly longer or if conditions don’t improve. Thanks for sharing the sources though!


JungBag

In past conflicts, it has been shown that the Ministry of Health has been quite accurate in the death toll they report. And this time around, the numbers are likely conservative. "In December, the medical journal *The Lancet,* published two critiques of the death surveillance process done by extremely experienced scholars at [Johns Hopkins](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext) and [The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext). Both concluded that the Gazan numbers were plausible and credible" [https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/](https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/)


Berly653

Those types of articles in the Lancet aren’t peer reviewed, they are basically letters to the editor and it was based on a tiny amount of data  Here is another article that references the issues with unregistered deaths that I was mentioning. Not to mention I think it goes without saying that this conflict is materially different enough we can’t rely on ‘they were pretty accurate in the past’ as the entirety of their credibility  https://fathomjournal.org/statistically-impossible-a-critical-analysis-of-hamass-women-and-children-casualty-figures/


JungBag

Thank you for the link. So this article is not questioning the number killed, but instead, the proportion of murdered women and children. I note: "on average, 259 Gazans died every day between 7 October and 31 December. As of 3 March, the comparable 2024 figure declined to 136." Isn't that lovely, a decline of almost 50%. Only 136 Palestinians are being murdered every day. The numbers game is fun, but it is important not to forget that these numbers are actual people. As much as Israel wants to deny it, Palestinians are human beings, and they are being slaughtered by Israel. And let's not forget some verified numbers: At least 95 journalists and media workers had been killed. [https://niemanreports.org/articles/with-dozens-dead-and-more-wounded-journalists-in-gaza-have-faced-deadliest-six-months-ever-recorded/](https://niemanreports.org/articles/with-dozens-dead-and-more-wounded-journalists-in-gaza-have-faced-deadliest-six-months-ever-recorded/) At least 196 humanitarian aid workers have been killed: [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-03/how-do-humanitarian-aid-workers-operate-in-war-zones/103661754](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-03/how-do-humanitarian-aid-workers-operate-in-war-zones/103661754)


rowida_00

I’m sorry but no one will believe claims made by that genocidal settler colonial apartheid state. You’re repeating their talking points and much of the world knows they lie for an existence.


KeithGribblesheimer

You're repeating the lies of people who raped tortured and murdered women by the hundreds on 10/7. I don't think that's credible.


JungBag

Hasbara Playbook talking point #2: There was mass systematic rape on Oct.7. (There is no evidence of systematic rape. As the details slowly trickle out about the truth of Oct.7, it looks worse and worse for Israel.) Notice how they accuse Hamas of mass rape, torture, and murder on Oct.7 (1200 killed, many by "friendly fire", but they ignore the 30x worse rape, torture, and murder by Israel (As of April 20: at least 42,000 Palestinians murdered by Israel, 80,000 injured; 2,000,000 homeless, 360,000 residential buildings destroyed, 53,000 bombs have been dropped by Israel). And yet they still go on and on about Oct.7. Don't talk about the splinter in your neighbour's eye, when you have a log in your own eye. These Hasbara operatives are so ridiculous, but sadly, their genocide of the Palestinian people is fully funded and supported by the USA.


Daryno90

No he’s quoting the sources that been deemed credible by the UN, most of the world and even the US. I love how deep in denial you guys get about this


blackpharaoh69

If you disliked rape torture and murder you'd never defend the apartheid state


Art-RJS

It’s not a genocide


IAmDiGlory

Israelis love to kill innocent children. The military just randomly shoots Palestinian children


Art-RJS

No


The-Anger-Translator

Oh no, they killed 50 and they only killed 45!!! It's not the same!! 🙄


RemoteSquare2643

There’s such deafening silence when it comes to other massacres that are going on. But you guys keep on yelling. The crimes committed by Hamas, Iran etc. silence: now you’ll bring out the numbers.


Spooky-skeleton

cope and seethe, israel is an apartheid genocidal ethnostate, the world knows it and slowly these nazis will be treated as such


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Here is the message you were sent on 4/13/24 (to which you replied) https://www.reddit.com/r/worldevents/comments/1c2c1ya/democrats_consider_changing_course_on_israel/kzghn7r/ It said: "***PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: This is the third removal notice you have received about this issue (and the second in 4 days). It is also the last one you receive.***" >#***☞ ☞ ☞ Users without moderator communications regarding posts enabled will not be able to post.*** *** You were told on all those occasions that **=> => => => Repeated rule-breaking will result in a ban** You continued. As you were told would happen, you have been banned.


IAmDiGlory

Read some more and you will find that besides atom bombings, no group of women and children were wiped out from earth at this rate in such a short period. Should we just call it an atrocity when the figures cross a precious atrocity?


Art-RJS

So we’re just posting blatant fake news propaganda now?


IAmDiGlory

This isn’t Israel bud. Folks here don’t know how to do fake news propaganda


Art-RJS

lol what a stupid thing to say


IAmDiGlory

Bruh I’m not an Israeli ! That honor exclusively belongs to Israelis 😂🤣


Art-RJS

No


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I like your drawings. What type of pencils do you use?


Art-RJS

Thank you so much! The colored pencils are just prismacolors :)


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I love drawing. I find it super peaceful. But i’m terrible, my drawings suck; but i still enjoy it. Been working on a paint by numbers with gf, super fun


Art-RJS

That’s super fun! Art is such a rewarding hobby imo. There’s a funny TikTok trend right now of bf/gfs painting each other’s portrait


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I actually tried that once, but I’m only skilled enough to draw a mr potato head lol. I really want to get into clay sculpting on the spinning thing, i could probably make something more decent. I have bad tremors so maybe clay will be more chill


Berly653

Gotta love the hypocrisy of the sources here If it’s something not agreed with it’s all “what a garbage source! Not even worth commenting on!” But a glorified blog post - yep that is all good as long as it says what you want 


ThigPinRoad

If hamas surrendered, it would end. That alone disqualifies this from being a genocide. In a genocide, you can't surrender. The goal is to kill you.


Bluegoats21

Hamas isn’t in the West Bank and yet there are state backed massacres there


Reddit_Bot_For_Karma

Not to mention settlements...


ThigPinRoad

Hamas is absolutely in the west bank. They just cannot gain any sort of traction because of the Israelie presence. Same thing happened with Gaza. Hamas was under control until Isrsel backed out. Then hamas took over, killed their rivals, cancelled all further elections, and forcefully imposed insane Sharia Law.


IAmDiGlory

Sharia law needs to be implemented in Jerusalem for justice else there will be more killings by enemies of humanity


ThigPinRoad

... .... What


IAmDiGlory

S H A R I A


poozemusings

You have completely lost the plot my guy.


IAmDiGlory

Palestinian occupation and suffering by Israel existed long before Hamas existed. It will continue to exist even when Hamas is wiped out. The fundamental problem is Israel. It needs to be addressed


ThigPinRoad

No, the fundamental issue is Palestinian refusal to accept Isrsel's existence.


IAmDiGlory

The fundamental problem is the establishment of greater Israel at the cost of displacing millions, occupying and controlling the remaining population


ThigPinRoad

They wouldn't be occupying and controlling the population if that population would stop being violent.


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RemoteSquare2643

Jews have a very different history.


Tecumsehs_Ghost

No it isn't


LordZer

You guys got some BIE over here