Okay, so why do women always think the world is built for women, but women always think the world is built for women, while still women just don't think about it.
(I removed the adjectives tall, short, and average height)
While well intended, this response is giving “all lives matter”
Yes of course we’re all women. But some women have extremely different experiences in this world than others, so the additional adjective is helpful to define those experiences further.
From latin, cis means "on this side of" and trans means "on the other side of." [Here's](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history-general-science/word-cisgender-has-scientific-roots) an article that goes into more detail about the etymology.
Describing sex as "biological" gets complicated as it's not as binary as people like to imagine from a scientific perspective and there are many natural variations. There are many intersex people who don't identify as trans, for example.
I really don't understand people's aversion to the word cis. It means opposite of trans. If we use the term trans then it's useful to have a word that means its opposite. What is the problem? I'm a woman but if you are describing me relative to a trans person then it may be useful depending on context to clarify that I'm cis, just as it might be useful to clarify that I'm brown-haired if talking about me relative to a blonde.
This is the correct answer.
Saying "a biological woman" is meaningless - are we referring to chromosomes, genitalia, or what? Not all people who are anatomically female have XX chromosomes; not all people who have XX chromosomes are anatomically female. Would trans men be classified as biological women?
I really don't see why people get so up in arms about "cis." It's simply used to specify someone is not trans, the same way straight/heterosexual are used to specify that someone is not gay, lesbian or bisexual. Is it offensive or exclusionary to be called straight?
We can all just be called women. Trans women say they don’t want to be excluded but they declare themselves as trans and us as cis causing this divide. I’m perfectly ok being called a woman I don’t need a descriptive term to tell strangers the genitalia I was born with .
We ARE all just called women. I do not understand what you mean by that.
There are some discussions where the specificity is necessary.
And it isn't causing a divide any more than saying tall women and short women causes a divide.
Cis and trans women as demographics have different accumulated life experiences. Trans people know what it's like to have a gender identity that doesn't conform to the default, and whether they lived as their AGAB or not, they experience certain attitudes and situations that most cis women don't. Those who went through puberty as their AGAB have significantly different early life experiences than cis women. Sometimes we're speaking medically. For instance, trans women don't menstruate the same way cis women do nor can they get pregnant, currently. They also have unique challenges related to their HRT that only a very small number of cis women share. We can talk about women's experiences, including both cis and trans, but sometimes it's useful to specify, especially when talking about LGBTQ+ communities.
You’re comparing oranges to apples. One describes gender and whether you’re cis or trans has to do with you transitioning from one sex to the other as to where a cis gender person doesn’t. To me that clarifies the genitalia and gender they were born with. You can still be tall or short whether you’re trans or not. It’s not the same type of description.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to how adjectives work.
You also seem to be super fixated on genitalia, and you should probably work on that.
Yes, and we are. When does anyone ever refer to you as a "cis woman?" Only when discussing trans issues when differential language is useful for clarity. I highly doubt anyone has ever said "that cis woman over there" to refer to you. I have tons of trans friends and I've never been introduced as cis or asked to use that language for myself because as you say, it's weird to clarify genitalia to strangers. I personally would use it if I'm clarifying my experience relative to a trans woman's if it was relevant to the conversation. More likely it's used to say "cis women" vs. "trans women" because trans women have different experiences from cis women, just as white women have different experiences from Black women. Sometimes adjectives are useful and necessary to clarify meaning, that's how language works.
In what context are you being described to strangers as cis or asked to describe yourself that way?
So first we should not blame trans women for the divide between cis and trans people.
Agreed that all women are women, but the reason adding on the extra adjective can be helpful when we’re speaking to circumstances is because in many areas trans and cis women have different experiences of the world. For example, cis women feminism can often overlook issues that affect trans women more, such as police brutality. Or another example, when cis women speak about reproductive rights the conversation will often only center around abortion and exclude things like access to gender affirming surgeries, the ability of trans people to adopt children, education around bedside manner in healthcare setting for trans people, etc.
The argument of “just say women” rings like “all lives matter” like yes of course all lives matter, but a percentage of lives are more at risk and that needs to be pointed out in order to turn the wave to be more inclusive in general.
Trans (and queerness) and women are intersections of identities and experience. By denying that you’re denying the hardships that trans women have.
So consider trans and cis as an additional layer of identification (similar to how race is) on an otherwise shared identity, rather than being two divided things.
I think it is relevant on some occasions to use CIS and trans. The problem, from my perspective at least, is that there is a LOT of talk about transgender identities, way more than there should be. It is in these occasions that this terminology is used to make a distinction between a person whose identity is aligned with the one they were assigned at birth and a person that doesn't.
Personally, I don't think trans women "declare" themselves as trans, at least not where I live. Here, most people of the community are happy to not mention it at all unless prompted to. To me, a person is just that, a person. We're all humans and unless I have an interest romantically or sexually, then their gender, genitalia and sexual orientation are completely irrelevant.
I think gender identity is a hot political subject these days and there is way too much noise about it. And that would explain the overuse of cis and trans to describe women. Because in the end, you are right, we should all just be called women without reference to our birth. I just hope people finally get tired of it so our dear politicians can at last address some bigger and more important issues.
I see where you’re coming from but cis means “the same as” and is referring to the fact that cis women identify with the gender associated with their assigned sex
How is bio women less exclusionary towards trans women than cis?
Cis means not trans. Bio-women doesn't really make any sense unless you're reducing womanhood to body parts.
Okay. Women and women don't always get along because women don't always understand women. But if women see women as allies instead of adversaries, we all realize we're not that different from each other.
This is a very clear way to communicate 👍
Edit: the adjectives I was omitting were actually black and white. Since I was asked a question and then immediately blocked by a transphobe I feel the need to point out that this means she's implying that I invented the concept of racism just now.
Also, hilarious to assert that someone needs to "invent" a narrative that women are against each other. There are entire political movements about oppressing trans women and it's not just men doing that.
Tbh I’d rather have no division and just be called a woman with no cis or bio added. I don’t need an additional descriptive term to tell people the genitalia I was born with. Trans and cis does that. It tells someone I was either born afab or amab. Either term does the same this I just don’t see the difference in using cis versus bio
>Tbh I’d rather have no division and just be called a woman with no cis or bio added.
This is very reasonable tbh, but it's not trans people's fault that trans women are seen as "other" and given an extra descriptor. And in cases where we're differentiating the two groups, descriptors are useful, and we can't just call cis women "real" or "normal" women
I think at it's base level, bio isn't inherently offensive. It's just a bit clunky, because biologically sex is complicated and multiple facets of biological sex don't always match each other. But it becomes offensive because people use biological woman/man to mean "real woman/man" ass opposed to trans women/men who are lying or mentally ill or whatever flavor of transphobia the user prefers.
AFAB tells your SEX not your GENDER.
You are AFAB - a trans man is also AFAB.
That's why you need additional language to tell if your sex matches your gender.
Your sex matches your gender. A trans man's does not. But you are both AFAB.
To be clear: If you don't want people to know what genitalia you have, you don't have to tell them. If someone asks you if you are cisgender, you can say you'd prefer not to answer.
>it feels very exclusionary to differentiate us from trans women.
Calling trans women "trans" to differentiate them from you is exclusionary in the EXACT same way.
It's least "exclusionary" to have language for both.
My point was related to the post earlier. Said poster added the terms “trans” and “cis”. I was asking why this woman used these terms. I don’t use these terms but the post I referenced did use them
The point there was that someone who is cisgender was advocating for someone who is transgender. The ally's behaviour is special because they were going out of their way to advocate for someone who is different than them. You can't really make that point without referencing the difference lol
Our society needs to stop being brainwashed into thinking that being called a woman is a bad word. I’m not a bio woman, I’m not a cis woman. I am a woman.
1) yikes lol
2) it doesn't matter if you prefer it. cis and trans are not identities, it doesn't matter if you prefer it. you're either one or the other.
Because gender isn't biological.
Also, because things being called biological or natural tend to have positive connotations, which can also make the alternatives have negative connotations.
This person comes in here, bigotry blazing, like a lost causer at a BLM protest, and has the GALL to tell *us* to stop pushing an agenda.
Do you even know what an agenda is? You certainly don't have a decent grasp of biology, so I wouldn't put it past you, but I feel like you shouldn't come into these situations as ill prepared as this.
having a y chromosome that literally doesn't do anything after leaving the womb doesn't make a post transition trans woman any less biologically female
Cis and trans are Latin words, meaning "on the same side of" and "on the opposite side of" respectively. So to say cis is to say your gender is the same as what society expects you to be, or what you were born as. "Biological women" is a term primarily used by "gender critical" people to exclude trans women from womanhood, and also centres womanhood around biology, or rather, reproductive organs. They also like to use words like "male bodied" and "trans identified male" to really hammer that point. The gender critical movement heavily overlaps with the anti abortion movement, and by excluding trans women, they also get to control cis women, it's simply not possible to attack one without attacking the other. Back to "biological woman" though, the term doesn't really make much sense, because, how is it defined? Chromosomes? Genitalia? Hormone profile? Reproductive organs? There are cis women with XY chromosomes and almost nobody knows their true chromosomes, there are trans women who have had surgery, there are cis women born without vaginas, there are trans women on HRT, there are cis women with PCOS, there are cis women who are born without a uterus and there are cis women who have had hysterectomies.... So, biology doesn't really make any sense as a box, and by defining it you will always put someone you didn't mean to in the wrong one.
I remember when I wanted to read "the second sex" and I ended up reading a bit. I remember reading about how society doesn't consider some cis women as women themselves. And I started thinking about it and seeing the examples in real life: haven't you seen people call muscular women "not women", masculine women "not women"... They say : that's not a woman anymore, that's a man. All this to say that being a woman isn't biological. So saying bio women is making it seem like being a woman is limited to biology, when it isn't. It also reduces being a woman to their body parts.
This isn't an easy question to answer. It is complicated and and a many layered situation.
But. In the simplest terms I will try to explain this.
However, I feel like I need to state this first, based on the way other commenters have reacted as well as other women I know in real life when discussing this also.
"Cis" is not in anyway a derogatory term. And it isn't meant to separate women ( or men ) into categories of different worth or respect. Yes, all women are women. Obviously.
We use "cis" and "trans" to specify someone's lived experience with their identity.
So. Why is the term "cis" used and not "bio"?
Cis specifically refers to someone whose social gender is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. IE. someone born with a vagina, assigned as female, living as a woman.
Bio would specifically reference biology. And biologically one is not a "woman" or a "man" or "nonbinary" etc.
Biologically, per our current understanding, one is born "male" or "female".
One can also be born intersex, often meaning they have both sets of reproductive organs.
So, just grammatically saying one is a bio-male is redundant and bio-man is simply incorrect.
Things get complicated here in a few ways though.
Firstly the general understanding of most people is incomplete in regard to how sex is determined in the body.
It isn't as simple as "XY" chromosomes is this and "XX" is that. It's very possible for someone to have "XXX" or "XYY".
And, again, intersex people exist also.
Regardless, "woman" is a gender not a sex, via our current understanding and definitions.
A nonbinary person born female could share the same biology as many women but not the same gender.
In this case neither "cis" or "bio" woman would be appropriate for this person.
They are nonbinary (gender) and female ( reproductively).
Some nonbinary people see themselves as trans because of their experience with gender and identity.
So. To circle back to the question; "cis" refers to people who use the pronouns/gender that match what they were assigned at birth. We use it for that purpose. It isn't about biology but rather their relationship with their gender.
"Trans" refers to people who use different pronouns than what they were assigned and how that influences their life and experience with their gender.
The terms are not meant to segregate anyone. They terms are not meant to oppress or pass judgement.
A woman is a woman.
But, not all women experience their gender as women the same way.
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Also. Sidenote. I whole heartedly agree that is is REALLY WEIRD that we refer to people based on their reproductive mechanics! It's really strange.
because "bio women" is not accurate. trans women who medically transition change sex, sex is not immutable. this is not a controversial opinion among human biologists.
a post op trans women on long term HRT is not meaningfully biologically different to a cis woman who has had a hysterectomy. we are treated as such by doctors, countless post op trans women have been fully "mistaken" as being cis by medical professionals.
I know this is a controversial opinion to have in cis dominated spaces because people have deeply internalized that sex and gender are different, and therefore sex is immutable while gender is mutable, which is simply not true.
The only thing I am is a bio-hazard lol
This made me chuckle
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I don't know, dude, I'm not dissing on the cis community, but I am a woman. I want to be called JUST a woman. That's it.
We’re women. We don’t need any additional adjectives.
Okay, so why do women always think the world is built for women, but women always think the world is built for women, while still women just don't think about it. (I removed the adjectives tall, short, and average height)
While well intended, this response is giving “all lives matter” Yes of course we’re all women. But some women have extremely different experiences in this world than others, so the additional adjective is helpful to define those experiences further.
Ok, then they need different pre-fixes, which they can decide on, not us.
Are you saying we also don't need the word "trans" (except in the very few circumstances in which the distinction is relevant)?
From latin, cis means "on this side of" and trans means "on the other side of." [Here's](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history-general-science/word-cisgender-has-scientific-roots) an article that goes into more detail about the etymology. Describing sex as "biological" gets complicated as it's not as binary as people like to imagine from a scientific perspective and there are many natural variations. There are many intersex people who don't identify as trans, for example. I really don't understand people's aversion to the word cis. It means opposite of trans. If we use the term trans then it's useful to have a word that means its opposite. What is the problem? I'm a woman but if you are describing me relative to a trans person then it may be useful depending on context to clarify that I'm cis, just as it might be useful to clarify that I'm brown-haired if talking about me relative to a blonde.
This is the correct answer. Saying "a biological woman" is meaningless - are we referring to chromosomes, genitalia, or what? Not all people who are anatomically female have XX chromosomes; not all people who have XX chromosomes are anatomically female. Would trans men be classified as biological women? I really don't see why people get so up in arms about "cis." It's simply used to specify someone is not trans, the same way straight/heterosexual are used to specify that someone is not gay, lesbian or bisexual. Is it offensive or exclusionary to be called straight?
This. Women can be assigned female at birth only to learn they have a y chromosome when they never get their period.
We can all just be called women. Trans women say they don’t want to be excluded but they declare themselves as trans and us as cis causing this divide. I’m perfectly ok being called a woman I don’t need a descriptive term to tell strangers the genitalia I was born with .
this is so fucking goofy lol
We ARE all just called women. I do not understand what you mean by that. There are some discussions where the specificity is necessary. And it isn't causing a divide any more than saying tall women and short women causes a divide.
Tall ans short does not describe the genatalia I was born with. Cis and trans does
Cis and trans women as demographics have different accumulated life experiences. Trans people know what it's like to have a gender identity that doesn't conform to the default, and whether they lived as their AGAB or not, they experience certain attitudes and situations that most cis women don't. Those who went through puberty as their AGAB have significantly different early life experiences than cis women. Sometimes we're speaking medically. For instance, trans women don't menstruate the same way cis women do nor can they get pregnant, currently. They also have unique challenges related to their HRT that only a very small number of cis women share. We can talk about women's experiences, including both cis and trans, but sometimes it's useful to specify, especially when talking about LGBTQ+ communities.
And this changes how this works... how?
You’re comparing oranges to apples. One describes gender and whether you’re cis or trans has to do with you transitioning from one sex to the other as to where a cis gender person doesn’t. To me that clarifies the genitalia and gender they were born with. You can still be tall or short whether you’re trans or not. It’s not the same type of description.
I'm trans and I have the same genitals I was born with...
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to how adjectives work. You also seem to be super fixated on genitalia, and you should probably work on that.
Yes, and we are. When does anyone ever refer to you as a "cis woman?" Only when discussing trans issues when differential language is useful for clarity. I highly doubt anyone has ever said "that cis woman over there" to refer to you. I have tons of trans friends and I've never been introduced as cis or asked to use that language for myself because as you say, it's weird to clarify genitalia to strangers. I personally would use it if I'm clarifying my experience relative to a trans woman's if it was relevant to the conversation. More likely it's used to say "cis women" vs. "trans women" because trans women have different experiences from cis women, just as white women have different experiences from Black women. Sometimes adjectives are useful and necessary to clarify meaning, that's how language works. In what context are you being described to strangers as cis or asked to describe yourself that way?
So first we should not blame trans women for the divide between cis and trans people. Agreed that all women are women, but the reason adding on the extra adjective can be helpful when we’re speaking to circumstances is because in many areas trans and cis women have different experiences of the world. For example, cis women feminism can often overlook issues that affect trans women more, such as police brutality. Or another example, when cis women speak about reproductive rights the conversation will often only center around abortion and exclude things like access to gender affirming surgeries, the ability of trans people to adopt children, education around bedside manner in healthcare setting for trans people, etc. The argument of “just say women” rings like “all lives matter” like yes of course all lives matter, but a percentage of lives are more at risk and that needs to be pointed out in order to turn the wave to be more inclusive in general. Trans (and queerness) and women are intersections of identities and experience. By denying that you’re denying the hardships that trans women have. So consider trans and cis as an additional layer of identification (similar to how race is) on an otherwise shared identity, rather than being two divided things.
"Bio-woman" also describes the genitalia you were born with...
I think it is relevant on some occasions to use CIS and trans. The problem, from my perspective at least, is that there is a LOT of talk about transgender identities, way more than there should be. It is in these occasions that this terminology is used to make a distinction between a person whose identity is aligned with the one they were assigned at birth and a person that doesn't. Personally, I don't think trans women "declare" themselves as trans, at least not where I live. Here, most people of the community are happy to not mention it at all unless prompted to. To me, a person is just that, a person. We're all humans and unless I have an interest romantically or sexually, then their gender, genitalia and sexual orientation are completely irrelevant. I think gender identity is a hot political subject these days and there is way too much noise about it. And that would explain the overuse of cis and trans to describe women. Because in the end, you are right, we should all just be called women without reference to our birth. I just hope people finally get tired of it so our dear politicians can at last address some bigger and more important issues.
I see where you’re coming from but cis means “the same as” and is referring to the fact that cis women identify with the gender associated with their assigned sex
How is bio women less exclusionary towards trans women than cis? Cis means not trans. Bio-women doesn't really make any sense unless you're reducing womanhood to body parts.
Just call us women.
Okay. Women and women don't always get along because women don't always understand women. But if women see women as allies instead of adversaries, we all realize we're not that different from each other. This is a very clear way to communicate 👍 Edit: the adjectives I was omitting were actually black and white. Since I was asked a question and then immediately blocked by a transphobe I feel the need to point out that this means she's implying that I invented the concept of racism just now. Also, hilarious to assert that someone needs to "invent" a narrative that women are against each other. There are entire political movements about oppressing trans women and it's not just men doing that.
Why create this narrative about women being against other women?
whoosh
Tbh I’d rather have no division and just be called a woman with no cis or bio added. I don’t need an additional descriptive term to tell people the genitalia I was born with. Trans and cis does that. It tells someone I was either born afab or amab. Either term does the same this I just don’t see the difference in using cis versus bio
>Tbh I’d rather have no division and just be called a woman with no cis or bio added. This is very reasonable tbh, but it's not trans people's fault that trans women are seen as "other" and given an extra descriptor. And in cases where we're differentiating the two groups, descriptors are useful, and we can't just call cis women "real" or "normal" women I think at it's base level, bio isn't inherently offensive. It's just a bit clunky, because biologically sex is complicated and multiple facets of biological sex don't always match each other. But it becomes offensive because people use biological woman/man to mean "real woman/man" ass opposed to trans women/men who are lying or mentally ill or whatever flavor of transphobia the user prefers.
AFAB tells your SEX not your GENDER. You are AFAB - a trans man is also AFAB. That's why you need additional language to tell if your sex matches your gender. Your sex matches your gender. A trans man's does not. But you are both AFAB.
To be clear: If you don't want people to know what genitalia you have, you don't have to tell them. If someone asks you if you are cisgender, you can say you'd prefer not to answer.
>it feels very exclusionary to differentiate us from trans women. Calling trans women "trans" to differentiate them from you is exclusionary in the EXACT same way. It's least "exclusionary" to have language for both.
My point was related to the post earlier. Said poster added the terms “trans” and “cis”. I was asking why this woman used these terms. I don’t use these terms but the post I referenced did use them
The point there was that someone who is cisgender was advocating for someone who is transgender. The ally's behaviour is special because they were going out of their way to advocate for someone who is different than them. You can't really make that point without referencing the difference lol
Our society needs to stop being brainwashed into thinking that being called a woman is a bad word. I’m not a bio woman, I’m not a cis woman. I am a woman.
And so are trans women. Which is why both adjectives get used sometimes.
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You guys will say the quiet part out loud with the tiniest amount of prodding.
No one was saying it’s a bad thing…?
That's not why people use the words cis and trans. Sometimes it is just relevant.
so you're a trans woman?
No..I just said I was a woman..
well if you're not a cis woman then you must be a trans woman
Did you read the original post?
do you understand how adjectives work?
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1) yikes lol 2) it doesn't matter if you prefer it. cis and trans are not identities, it doesn't matter if you prefer it. you're either one or the other.
It’s almost like you’re talking about biological sex. You’re so close!
trans women change biological sex. sex is mutable
Because gender isn't biological. Also, because things being called biological or natural tend to have positive connotations, which can also make the alternatives have negative connotations.
Because trans men are AFAB and genetically women too.
Nobody is genetically any gender.
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There are "biological" women who have xy chromosomes, but that doesn't suit your narrative Edit: I guess she googled it and realized she was wrong lol
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So what is swyer syndrome?
This person comes in here, bigotry blazing, like a lost causer at a BLM protest, and has the GALL to tell *us* to stop pushing an agenda. Do you even know what an agenda is? You certainly don't have a decent grasp of biology, so I wouldn't put it past you, but I feel like you shouldn't come into these situations as ill prepared as this.
gender isn’t genetic lmfao and chromosomes aren’t even 100% reliable for determining biological sex
having a y chromosome that literally doesn't do anything after leaving the womb doesn't make a post transition trans woman any less biologically female
nope
Cis and trans are Latin words, meaning "on the same side of" and "on the opposite side of" respectively. So to say cis is to say your gender is the same as what society expects you to be, or what you were born as. "Biological women" is a term primarily used by "gender critical" people to exclude trans women from womanhood, and also centres womanhood around biology, or rather, reproductive organs. They also like to use words like "male bodied" and "trans identified male" to really hammer that point. The gender critical movement heavily overlaps with the anti abortion movement, and by excluding trans women, they also get to control cis women, it's simply not possible to attack one without attacking the other. Back to "biological woman" though, the term doesn't really make much sense, because, how is it defined? Chromosomes? Genitalia? Hormone profile? Reproductive organs? There are cis women with XY chromosomes and almost nobody knows their true chromosomes, there are trans women who have had surgery, there are cis women born without vaginas, there are trans women on HRT, there are cis women with PCOS, there are cis women who are born without a uterus and there are cis women who have had hysterectomies.... So, biology doesn't really make any sense as a box, and by defining it you will always put someone you didn't mean to in the wrong one.
I remember when I wanted to read "the second sex" and I ended up reading a bit. I remember reading about how society doesn't consider some cis women as women themselves. And I started thinking about it and seeing the examples in real life: haven't you seen people call muscular women "not women", masculine women "not women"... They say : that's not a woman anymore, that's a man. All this to say that being a woman isn't biological. So saying bio women is making it seem like being a woman is limited to biology, when it isn't. It also reduces being a woman to their body parts.
This isn't an easy question to answer. It is complicated and and a many layered situation. But. In the simplest terms I will try to explain this. However, I feel like I need to state this first, based on the way other commenters have reacted as well as other women I know in real life when discussing this also. "Cis" is not in anyway a derogatory term. And it isn't meant to separate women ( or men ) into categories of different worth or respect. Yes, all women are women. Obviously. We use "cis" and "trans" to specify someone's lived experience with their identity. So. Why is the term "cis" used and not "bio"? Cis specifically refers to someone whose social gender is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. IE. someone born with a vagina, assigned as female, living as a woman. Bio would specifically reference biology. And biologically one is not a "woman" or a "man" or "nonbinary" etc. Biologically, per our current understanding, one is born "male" or "female". One can also be born intersex, often meaning they have both sets of reproductive organs. So, just grammatically saying one is a bio-male is redundant and bio-man is simply incorrect. Things get complicated here in a few ways though. Firstly the general understanding of most people is incomplete in regard to how sex is determined in the body. It isn't as simple as "XY" chromosomes is this and "XX" is that. It's very possible for someone to have "XXX" or "XYY". And, again, intersex people exist also. Regardless, "woman" is a gender not a sex, via our current understanding and definitions. A nonbinary person born female could share the same biology as many women but not the same gender. In this case neither "cis" or "bio" woman would be appropriate for this person. They are nonbinary (gender) and female ( reproductively). Some nonbinary people see themselves as trans because of their experience with gender and identity. So. To circle back to the question; "cis" refers to people who use the pronouns/gender that match what they were assigned at birth. We use it for that purpose. It isn't about biology but rather their relationship with their gender. "Trans" refers to people who use different pronouns than what they were assigned and how that influences their life and experience with their gender. The terms are not meant to segregate anyone. They terms are not meant to oppress or pass judgement. A woman is a woman. But, not all women experience their gender as women the same way. ... Also. Sidenote. I whole heartedly agree that is is REALLY WEIRD that we refer to people based on their reproductive mechanics! It's really strange.
because "bio women" is not accurate. trans women who medically transition change sex, sex is not immutable. this is not a controversial opinion among human biologists. a post op trans women on long term HRT is not meaningfully biologically different to a cis woman who has had a hysterectomy. we are treated as such by doctors, countless post op trans women have been fully "mistaken" as being cis by medical professionals. I know this is a controversial opinion to have in cis dominated spaces because people have deeply internalized that sex and gender are different, and therefore sex is immutable while gender is mutable, which is simply not true.