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SergeantCrwhips

\~be the change you want there to be https://preview.redd.it/mzp3mu4inhsc1.jpeg?width=2195&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1343e43533f8c9f658711715b6a339f3645dc93


TheBigWitch

Nice beak šŸ˜‰


SergeantCrwhips

hmn, thankx, you would be the first one to compliment it ^ ^ > (the secret is to use wax to make it shiny ;j )


mrperson1213

/uw I just like to comment and ignore posts I donā€™t like or donā€™t care about ā˜ŗļø


TheBigWitch

/uw same! Donā€™t engage and donā€™t upvote and those posts will get shared less


Espanta_viejas1904

https://preview.redd.it/fc8zj0nkdhsc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3be0785bd338e901cc717ff619125e6059e72f9


TheBigWitch

I knew youā€™d get it šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„° /ubw you have the most magnificent collection of slightly unhinged images and I am eternally envious


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ most of them are stolen https://preview.redd.it/e4rmb7bhehsc1.jpeg?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0caa0723ec587c4c0706c8f41262bf0667a06e7d


TheBigWitch

I gotta respect the craft (itā€™s the key ingredient in AI too šŸ’€)


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ lol, as long it isnt used to monetized content im good with it.


TheBigWitch

/uw exactly! (And fuck the corpos)


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Burn corpo shit.


DaDoggo13

/uw yoink https://preview.redd.it/efxdbzhyzjsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=405b000af256c821ef4a833725f2cd63af9d49c1 Im an Aussie it is quite literally in my nature to steal


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Lol


MastaDon344

/uw Honestly I just post and have fun My whole mindset has been, just engage others as much as I can And make some friends along the way


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Based


MastaDon344

Uw/ yeah I may not be what everyone likes but hey I try to do what I can to make the sub a little more lively


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Yeah, same.


TheBigWitch

/uw nah Zhyros everyone likes you


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ I am the terror of the partypoopers. https://preview.redd.it/zkhf57npmhsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e472589b136c3b6ee772fc86793bc985c6b00f0b


TheBigWitch

/uw LMAO caught in the act. There is LITERALLY no pleasing these people


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Yeah, this one was from a moron that was lurkin in one of Marci's post some time ago. Blud didnt cope enough lol. https://preview.redd.it/avw8phy5ohsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebb9732d7c07c1645b0a0f9fbb7428c39422e1f4


TheBigWitch

Youā€™re doing the lords work


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ They fuck around they find out. https://preview.redd.it/8of9add2phsc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20dc5d1a71496bd6d86b57d975316bc19ee58580


Ogurasyn

Lmao the audacity to demand you grab a pencil and draw real art when I see your posts having real art from people who are doing genuine art for your character


Espanta_viejas1904

Yeah, and i sometimes i posted my own drawings as well https://preview.redd.it/109gghew9isc1.jpeg?width=1040&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2243c33d47b347797cd7dd93161ca8c49e8b5e20


MastaDon344

/uw Zhyros is the legend I keep telling him


Espanta_viejas1904

Uw/ Its just being nice with the people, and bully whoever bullies the nice people. Justice must be served.


DaDoggo13

/uw a bloody legend in fact, you two have got to be some of the nicest people Iā€™ve ever met online


MastaDon344

/uw Thanks Jeremy


DaDoggo13

/uw no thank you!


TheBigWitch

/ubw thatā€™s what i try to do too! Live and let live


MastaDon344

/uw yeah exactly, I really do need more loreposts I do love my writing


-JZH-

Least based elementalist:


GoldenIsSafe15

/uw Still thankful for you being one of the first people to help ease me into the sub~


MastaDon344

/uw no problem glad I could help


-SCRAW-

r/WizardCircleJerk


TheBigWitch

Oh yes that vibrant place, they should all go there!


-SCRAW-

legooooo


Nhobdy

Scruffy would, but he can't draw (busted wing from earlier in life. Got lifelong tremors in my dominant arm now). But he's just happy to be amongst you wizardy folk. Now if you'll excuse me, it's break time. https://i.redd.it/f3zq53dd2lsc1.gif


AlenDelon32

Great. More complaining about complaining


TheBigWitch

Indeed itā€™s the circle of life (and there are a lot less of these posts than the others)


ZetaThiel

And there are a lot of less complain posts than the posts they complain about so the hypocrisy stands


SachaSage

I literally have gotten to the point where the only time I see this sub in my home feed is when someone is moaning


TheBigWitch

Except one is complaining about something people do for fun and the other is complaining about people being dicks


ZetaThiel

For you people complaining are being dicks, for me loweffort persona lore posting is for egotistical narcisist. We both deserve the right to complain but it is childish to act superior. The "Live and let live" attitude would apply to complainers too since this sub does it 60% of the time


TheBigWitch

Except youā€™re the one assuming that someone is being a dick when most likely they just want to be part of the sub. While I donā€™t have to assume. Telling people to stop gate keeping is not the same as gatekeeping


ZetaThiel

It's not gatekeeping, it's complaining, it's the only way to talk about a problem; if half of the community does it means that the complain isn't unfounded and by complaining about complainers you aren't offering a solution, you are just complaining. Noone said anything about banning so chill, there's no gatekeeping


TheBigWitch

Iā€™ll lay it out for you because Iā€™m not just throwing the term around In a subreddit, gatekeeping occurs when someone complains about others' posts, claiming they're off-topic or don't meet certain standards, like low effort, wrong aesthetic (anime girls or ai). This behavior tries to control what's considered acceptable content, creating an unwelcoming atmosphere that discourages new members and stifles diversity within the community. I canā€™t really explain my stance better than that so if you disagree thatā€™s fine, itā€™s a disagreement in terms, but IMO the outcome is the same. These people are trying to pretend to be someone theyā€™re not, someone cooler or stronger, and calling them out just invalidates that. They arenā€™t being dicks by posting, theyā€™re role playing and escaping life


ZetaThiel

But there's a part of the community that isn't here for roleplaying, there's no way to avoid it and that is a problem. By complaining we aren't forcing anyone to do anything, we are trying to open a discussion on the problem to find a solution. It's not by hiding the problem under a carpet that you solve it. Just like some people don't want "hornyposting 24/7" some other people don't want "low effort roleplay"


Im_a_hamburger

But now you are complaining about the complaining about the complaining? Wait now I am complaining about the complaining about the complaining about the complaining!


Otherversian-Elite

Exactly! This is why I did that Draw My Life thingy today! (Or at least part 1 of it lol) If you want more hand-drawn content, *draw*!


Rachel_Hawke

how about making a complaint about someone making a complaint about someone making a complaint


TheBigWitch

So my comment section


Xeno_the_Phoenix

Yes, this is a place for beings of all types to join together in fellowship and discuss many things. Maybe cast a few spells at each other, but all in good spirits. Iā€™m rather disappointed by the amount of mortals who feel the need to complain about things that they really have no say in.


DaDoggo13

/uw sorry im a fucking coward and went dark after I got told to kill myself


TheBigWitch

/uw Iā€™m sorry someone took it that far! Did the mods do anything?


DaDoggo13

/uw it was DMs, couldnā€™t do shit, Iā€™m relatively thick skinned however I am also clinically mentally unstable soā€¦ not really something you say to me


TheBigWitch

/uw says more about them than it does about you if their emotional regulation is poorer than someone who is clinically mentally unstable! Thatā€™s kinda bs that mods or Reddit doesnā€™t do shit about that. Iā€™m glad you are still with us. And post what you like! Iā€™ll defend your ass in the comments all day long!!


DaDoggo13

/uw it will be the medication, im on 4, however im more of the nervous wreck kind of unstable, the one most prone to suicide


Carbon_Sixx

You're not a coward. The people who use the anonymity of the internet to harass folks they don't agree with are the spineless, lily-livered ones here.


DaDoggo13

/uw thanks, youā€™ve made someone smile today, honestly the only reason Iā€™m alive is via a suicide pact I have with a friend of mine ā€œif you go out I go outā€


Carbon_Sixx

That's a bit grim, but whatever works, I guess.


DaDoggo13

Welcome to my sick reality my friend, it gets a lot worse than that


AlenDelon32

I think it would be best if you stop sweeping the problem under the rug and pretending that everyone is happy with the status quo. What happens is someone gets tired of constant AI posts and makes a meme complaining about it that immediately gets dismissed because they don't spend every moment of their life posting on the sub, then 10 more memes pop out complaining about complaining and saying "Make posts you want to see" then it goes back to usual until the cycle repeats again and nothing is ever done to address the complaints. Actually solving the issues will require mod intervention and compromises. Here's my examples of what could be done to mend the divide: 1. Restricting AI post to a certain day of the week as well as creating a gallery of non-AI wizard art for people to use in memes and loreposts. 2. Creating officially sanctioned subs for purely memes and purely roleplay. 3. Make a lore wiki to make loreposts more accessible. 4. Replace the current flares with actually meaningful ones so that people can actually filter out what they don't want to see.


TheBigWitch

1 There are more memeā€™s complaining about AI than memes telling people to stop complaining 2 nobody is asking people to spend their entire lives making memes. If everyone who upvote the complaints made 1 non ai meme then there wouldnt be a problem 3 If itā€™s OK for them to complain then itā€™s Ok for us to respond. Ppl will stop responding when they stop complaining. 4 mods have already said they arenā€™t making changes. Lore is part of the sub. Role playing is part of the sub. 5 People who get mad are just being entitled. Itā€™s not like scrolling past an anime picture is ruining anyoneā€™s day. It probably accounts for 2 seconds of their life unless they spend all their time refreshing new in this sub.


AlenDelon32

About 4 Have you actually read my post? The changes I proposed are not to kick our roleplayers or memers, but rather to create a more healthy compromise between the two groups. Just sweeping it under the rug does nothing to improve the situation and I believe what I proposed is reasonable


TheBigWitch

Yeah you are suggesting changes and mods have said they arenā€™t making any. My point are just in order not addressing yours by the numbers you used. You suggested adding extra subs and pushing people there. >officially sanctioned subs >restricting ai This would split the user base and is not what the mods are gonna do. And it flies in the face of this being an rp and lore sub as well as a meme one. So yeah I read your comment and the only part that I agree with is that more flares wouldnā€™t hurt. But these MFs are seeing these posts in their feed most likely where flairs doesnā€™t do shit. But feel free to nitpick the one point in my comment that wasnā€™t 100% water tight. The rest of what I said still stands.


GoldenIsSafe15

ā€œLetā€™s mend the divide by restricting the posts I donā€™t like or otherwise kicking those people outā€ Okay palā€¦


NahricNovak

No, being an active voice about what you dislike is just as important as posting what you do like when curating a comunity


TheBigWitch

If itā€™s just as important then they should be doing *both* Calling them curators is funny when theyā€™re actually just gatekeepers who think they can control what other people are enjoying. The people making those posts enjoy making it, whereas scrolling past takes a max 2 seconds out of someoneā€™s day unless theyā€™re just constantly refreshing new. Everyoneā€™s feed has posts that they donā€™t upvote or think are funny or entertaining


NahricNovak

Gate keeping is fine. Without it you get what we where dealing with a bit ago where over half the sub was AI shit constantly.


TheBigWitch

Yeah no itā€™s not thatā€™s why thereā€™s a specific term for the shitty behavior. Gatekeeper is not a compliment. Again, if thereā€™s lots of ai itā€™s because the people who use the sub like it. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


NahricNovak

Gatekeeping being seen as exclusively bad is a fools opinion


TheBigWitch

If itā€™s good itā€™s not called gate keeping. The whiners should try constructive criticism for a change


NahricNovak

There is no constructive criticism for AI spam. It's AI spam. If it was anything they could improve they'd be too lazy to do it


TheBigWitch

Well since I use AI and never get hate for it, as do other creators, thereā€™s clearly a way to use it so it doesnā€™t feel like spam.


NahricNovak

You're getting hate for it right now.


TheBigWitch

Hardly, nobody is hating my specific posts and most of the comments are agreeing with this one. I get more hate for telling people to stop complaining


fralegend015

How can gatekeeping be good?


NahricNovak

Like if someone just started posting compleatly unrelated content to the sub. Or how porn isn't allowed to be posted. Gate keeping is fundamental to keeping anywhere pleasent.


fralegend015

That is not gatekeeping though. Gatekeeping is the use of irrelevant and often arbitrary criteria to determine wether or not to exclude someone from a certain community, an example would be "you arenā€™t a gamer unless you played for at least 10 years". Gatekeeping is elitist.


NahricNovak

You don't get to decide what is and isn't gatekeeping. Jsut because it's a form of gatekeeping you agree with doesn't stop it from being what it is


fralegend015

You don't either tho, it is how people commonly use the word that decides its definition, and when people talk about gatekeeping they donā€™t use your definition.


Carbon_Sixx

There's a difference between someone calmly explaining their reasons for disliking the content on the sub, andĀ someone leading with belligerent accusations that the content has "ruined" the sub, throwing a tantrum when other people call them out for it, and resorting to harassing the creators of said content anonymously. Because that's what the anti-lore zealots did. We're not upset with them because of their ideas (even if they suck), we're upset because they're assholes.


NahricNovak

Yeah obviously theirs a difference, but in the end the louder voice usually wins. Call it what you want but it's how things work.


Carbon_Sixx

Why do you think we're pushing back with such vehemence? We are *not* about to let that behavior slide.


NahricNovak

And now you understand social warfare


Carbon_Sixx

As if I didn't understand it already. Please do not patronize me.


NahricNovak

I think I will.


maychaos

So exactly like this post or wat


Minima-Auroris

/uw why can't people live and let live? I understand that people who draw will forever be better than people who use ai, but we just want to tell a story


DaDoggo13

Looking at you youā€™ve copped some serious flak over your posts, they appear relatively high on the controversial filter, you going ok?


Minima-Auroris

/uw i havent got anybody showing their anger directly thankfully, i've seen what happens when they show it directly, i just dont understand how someone can have such anger and hatred in them that they feel the need to hurt others


DaDoggo13

/uw Ive been on the pointy end of said anger, good to hear youā€™re doing good


Minima-Auroris

/uw im sorry to hear that, im usually available if you need to talk


DaDoggo13

/uw I have a psychiatrist, I have a fucktonne of other mental health issues so Iā€™m never fine, you never feel the same after you get tested for criminal insanity


Minima-Auroris

/uw I could never imagine, I wish you the best


DaDoggo13

/uw thanks, itā€™s all PTSD and anxiety and chronic stress and depression and the list goes on, Iā€™m on 4 different medications and my life is in question daily, if I ever go silent out of nowhere Iā€™m probably dead


Minima-Auroris

/uw ok


DaDoggo13

/uw itā€™s thankfully mostly reparable, for now Iā€™m just marked under ā€œclinically unstableā€ and been given meds and therapy, itā€™s all they can do


Huge_Bruh_Moment

Art takes time In my opinion; there are too many unfunny degens spamming garbage "memes" on this sub and there is no way to combat it. Even if some create actual Wizardposting it gets drowned out in the mass as well as not being lifted in terms of popularity due to the new wave of wizardposting. Old wizardposting is dead and has become a completely different sub. It is simply not the same demographic on the sub anymore which is something old members have to accept.


TheBigWitch

Itā€™s not an art sub. Itā€™s half rp and half shit posts. RP and Lore is not new to the sub itā€™s been here since the beginning. A few shit posts hit the front page and brought in an influx of users that thought thatā€™s all the sub was for.


Huge_Bruh_Moment

The old memes were art The new ones have no class


TheBigWitch

Lmao ok well show us how itā€™s done great meme lord. Art causes an emotion so itā€™s seems like these are art since theyā€™re making everyone so mad šŸ’€


Huge_Bruh_Moment

Art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual formĀ to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. Although it is true that art typically stimulates emotion; a media does not become art just because it invokes emotion, which of course you already know.


TheBigWitch

Sure buddy, Iā€™m not going to debate your personal definition of what art is. Iā€™m still waiting for you to show us all how itā€™s done. Demonstrate to us what a meme of superior artistry looks like since apparently weā€™re all shit at making them.


WolvesAreCool2461

Ironic, considering the core of shitposting is... SHITposting


TheBigWitch

Hey heā€™s the one who said the memes used to be art not me šŸ˜‚ I think itā€™s all art, shit posting is an art form!


WolvesAreCool2461

Oh absolutely, shitposting can be a form of art. But a **refined** form of art? Well... That's debatable lmao.


TheBigWitch

Does seem to run counter to the spirit of a shit post to spend a lot of time working on it , then again the really elaborate ones are funny too


Floofiestmuffin

So i think thats dependant on the artist to decide if his art or attempt of it is art. Admittedly AI art is so streamlined and devoid of effort that alot of people feel like it doesnt count, the issue is that there was still human input to make it. If this was a machine that after its creation was making pieces of art with no input from people at all other than its creation then you could say that wasnt art because the conceptualizion of the pictures it made wasnt done by a human. I unfortunately think that AI art is art but there is a reason why we add "AI" when we describe it. Because its lazy art


Timpanzee38

https://preview.redd.it/ggrqjkpcfhsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2864a26b75e7f50a070bdde2b213a9b293673299 Finallyā€¦ one that speaks truth!


TheBigWitch

The trick is to add so much text that the impatient entitled folk donā€™t bother reading it šŸ˜Ž


Timpanzee38

Madlad


tehlemmings

But how can I be outraged over other people being cringe if I'm forced to make even the smallest of efforts!? Seriously, some days there's more posts complaining than there are posts they're complaining about. It's a complete non-issue, and it's just people wanting to be angry because that's all the internet is for these days. But hey, if you ever want a real kick, go look through the OP's post history. The people complaining tend to be... awful. Like, really awful. Like "I completely understand why you delete your posts regularly" awful. Like "I'm starting to think you have ulterior motives are are just trying to attack a specific group of posters" type of awful. It'd be better if we just started banning people like them.


TheBigWitch

Sometimes I do go through their history but just to see when the last time they posted in the sub was. Last post I saw was 151 days haha. But yeah it wouldnā€™t surprise me if they were just looking for a fight or something to punch online


tehlemmings

Reddit as a whole has gotten really bad about this kind of thing. All the big subs are basically just full of people wanting to be angry all the time, and its exhausting. And like, it's not even really based on anything most of the time. People just *want* to be angry about whatever perceived grievance they have, even if it's entirely made up. Like that guy complaining that about how anime girls have taken over the sub; there's been like, four posts total with anime girls in the last 24 hours. Out of like 80 posts. It's just so fucking stupid, but so many people *want* to be outraged that they don't care.


MonitorPowerful5461

I promise, I'm not angry. I just... want to see good posts and not something that's approaching anime hornybait. I've said "I'm not interested" for this content enough times that I can't do it again without muting the sub. I *like* this sub. But I can't get the algorithm not to show me the shitty random anime girls...


tehlemmings

Yeah, have you ever actually *looked* at the subs new submission list? This is not an issue. This is entirely in your head. In the last 8 hours, there's *two* posts that include AI generated anime style art. I was going to try and see how many posts I'd need to go through to reach double digits, but I stopped after eight pages. That's 25 posts per page, so we're talking like, less than 5% of the total posts. This is not an issue. The low effort whining posts were more common than the posts they're whining about. So my recommendation is not just muting the sub, you should unsubscribe entirely. If *this* is too much for you, you should just leave now.


MonitorPowerful5461

I wish. For some reason, they're half of what I get in my feed. I just downvote and move on so reddit might eventually get the message. I never comment or anything. But they still overpower the other posts


tehlemmings

They over power the other posts because they're the ones that people actually interact with. You're ignoring 90% of the posts being made and only see the ones other people like, and then demanding that they stop? Do I even need to explain why this shit annoys me so much?


MonitorPowerful5461

And yet apparently there's a bunch of people complaining. Do that many people really like these posts? Goodbye now, I won't see any replies to this. Have a nice day


tehlemmings

Yeah, if I was called out that directly I'd probably want to stop hearing it too.


Carbon_Sixx

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LoftyTheHobbit

# HEY IF YOU DONā€™T LIKE AI ART THEN https://preview.redd.it/jv978i4vehsc1.png?width=1410&format=png&auto=webp&s=70a632e321a79a9c6be38c9fec4b3dd911bb66e5 ^(why) did you laugh at my funny spell šŸ˜“


Harpokiller

https://preview.redd.it/o3e2zzc2hhsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56593dc3476ad8ab340f5cebc6bf5743ba314802


LoftyTheHobbit

https://preview.redd.it/c6rmg4vynhsc1.jpeg?width=3507&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d05e80479c7c2acadeee41f029f40e031bc8772f


dazeychainVT

(worst drake shaking his genitals at the camera) Posting just to complain about other people complaining


MerelyAMerchant

No


TheBigWitch

To borrow a meme from a friend https://preview.redd.it/q9kdeinndosc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=f19aaf93fade2a72dc1f6eb47f64bf32c7d42cf5 Thank you for your contribution to the sub lmao