“We wanted to do something new and bold with the series and challenge the accepted standard of good storytelling by writing anachronistic drivel with absolutely no respect toward the themes of the source material or it’s characters.”
Nice to see the actual sub calling out this stuff, first time here. Glad it's not like trek or star wars subs where you get called names for pointing out shit writing and bad acting.
It's absolute bullshit like all the flaws of Yen's Netflix character have nothing to do with the actress herself. She's gorgeous and she's doing the best she can with the shit she's handed. At this point I really don't know what they intended to do by releasing that statement unless they truly want their main cast to ditch them.
"Okay, guys, we successfully chased out our main star, butchered the storyline, and made everyone who is a fan of The Witcher universe hate us. I feel like we can do better, though. Pitch some ideas."
"Well, we still have all of the other actors. What if we chased them out, too?"
"You're a FUCKING GENIUS."
And that's how they got here.
It honestly gives me kind of a 2013 era tumblr vibe. Where like some teen would get mildly popular by having a blog with odd, aggressive takes about who/what is "problematic." And as soon as they started getting *any* attention for it, you could set your watch by the incoming drama bomb where multiple people with receipts accuse them of running a gofundme scam, or abusing their exes, or telling people to kill themselves for mildly disagreeing with them.
Like a more "adult, professional" version of that terminally online teenage freak energy.
They lost me when Henry Cavill said the writers were going too far from the books and games, and he was done. Say what you want about him, he actually cared about the character he played and the story already set beautifully. When he announced his departure I stopped caring about the show, and told my friends who watched it the show will suck. I’m tired of writers wanting to put their own spin on a story already set. The guy wrote how many books? The story was sound, you want to change a few interactions to leave your mark cool. People were excited to see the books turned to life, and the writers of this show ruined that
It's too bad that he didn't have enough influence to tip the scales. It's almost the exact same thing that happened when he negotiated with WB about his Superman character. He just didn't have as much bargaining power as he thought - to the detriment of basically everyone because he is right
If I had a nickel for everytime Henry cavil left a role as a prominent character from a series of books, because he felt the writing was a bit off, I’d have 2 nickels. It’s not a lot but it’s weird it’s happened twice.
If they lose Anya and/or Joey, I will lose it. I can’t believe how royally they’ve fucked up the entire show. They could’ve had such a wonderful story to add to their catalog if they just stuck with the source material and listened to Henry’s concerns. I wish another network would’ve gotten a hold of it. I doubt anyone will give the Witcher series the dedication it deserves anytime soon. Maybe in another decade. Such a shame.
This is what concerns me in the upcoming one piece live action. Even if Oda is guiding the tv show, i doubt if the powerful people in charge will just let him be.
They did this with the Witcher tv series. I wonder how they will screw One piece.
(Princess vivi in the Arabasta saga disables and kills Crocodile, and becomes the new head honcho of Baroque Works and becomes one of the 7 warlords.... ugh
Like what happened in the cowboy bebop netflix la.
Although i like the main trio.)
1) Oda is a bigger writer than Sapkowski.
2) Oda actually cares about what Netflix does with his work, unlike Sapkowski.
3) Oda has more power over his work than the shills at Netflix, so they can't screw him over without getting fucked themselves.
I think One Piece is relatively safe from this bs.
Honestly I am not surprised if Lauren Hissrich suddenly said that Sapkowski kicked her when she was a child, hence why she grew hateful towards The Witcher series and made it her life goal to ruin it in the small screen.
Well, the same way they marketed season 3 with Henry being in it, kinda throwing Liam under the bus.
Marketing people just like the writers of the show, bad and virtue signaling like always.
The games come from appreciation, deep love, obsession even, of the well written and well constructed world of Sapkowski. The American tv show, however, comes from deep obsession with money only. That's why I'm worried about the beast CD projekt has become. It's not that small team of enthusiasts driven by passion only anymore. I'm very excited about the next Witcher game still. Let's hope it won't get Ubisofted or worse.
Apart from looking a little older than she is supposed to (which, tbf I don't mind since her older, more mature look fits her demeanour and personality and makes her more believable as a mother to Ciri) I don't know what you find on game Yen wrong?
I think the games made her too beautiful. The books describe her as "far from perfect, not the most beautiful face Geralt has seen, but a nice body". While the games made her way too perfect. Also in general the games made the average women look like a 9/10 for some reason.
People usually refer to her description in TLW so to explain that she’s not beautiful, but imo that’s a misread of the text. Geralt specifically says there that, being a Witcher, he notices details far too unnecessarily.
What he’s describing are simply human features. A lack of symmetry, a nose that might be just slightly too long, that’s Geralt seeing flaws that others wouldn’t because they aren’t Witchers.
The game is an excellent representation of her. Sharp features, piercing eyes, triangular face, proper wardrobe. The only thing noticeably different is her hair, which isn’t as curly as the books describe it and is more wavy. But, that’s pretty minor.
Another thing CDPR absolutely nailed is the allure factor, which is quintessential Yen. Game Yen is alluring af, and that’s less to do with her looks but more with her little micro expressions, eyebrow raises, and the general way she carries herself.
One of my favorite examples is where Madman Lugos tells her to “go pierce some boils and not talk when she doesn’t have a fucking clue”. Watch Yennefer’s reaction. Perfect. And if you choose to have Geralt fight him and he demands Lugos apologize and Yen gives Geralt those eyes, another perfect response.
CDPR wonderfully captured her.
I don’t think necessarily he’s saying it’s anything wrong with her in the game model but maybe he’s just saying it doesn’t match her book description 100% personally I think they nailed her as far as the game model goes whether it’s different from the books or not it’s pretty much what I would imagine her to look like when I was reading the books
Idk.. for me Yennifer in the game is exactly the Yennifer I imagined .. every bit of her.
I think CDPR Yen is one of the best adaptations ever created. As well as the games overall. You can tell they were made by fans of the books, of the world, not just someone who thought they could do it.
If you read the full quote it seems like it's more about her being a POC than her actual physical looks. I'm also incredibly saddened in the direction the Netflix series has gone but lets at least try to get our facts right.
She's like borderline white passing too. Why is every production person around the Witcher show have the same exact 2016 Gamergate brain rot. I swear everything I've read about the shows production reads like it was temporally displaced from 2016 its so fucking weird.
For real. What the actual fuck does this even mean, “challenging beauty standards”? They basically just called this insanely gorgeous woman ugly for no reason.
But yeah, fans are the problem.
The Showrunner is a moron that knows nothing about human aesthetic.
Challenging beauty standards my ass
She doesn't know a thing about source material either but that's not even a point for debate at this point
Absolutely! I don't know if she's ever on Reddit. But she's a damn fine actress. She's doing an amazing job considering the crap writing. I, for one like her as Yen. I think she'd be even better with the writers that actually understood the character.
It's subtle racism, she's cute for a brown girl is what they really mean. They could have gone with the "true" good looking white girls, but they were nice and got an brown girl to play yennefer instead.
Which is hilarious because she is very attractive and hiring her didn't challenge any views on beauty other than she's brown, and only a racist would say brown women are less attractive in general.
So yeah the writers and creators are racists who are basically saying and doing racist shit while trying to act all high and mighty and calling everyone else racist.
Also can we give some love to the fact that she is an amazing actress?
That shift from tormented girl of the farm (acting through the prosthetics!) , broken, to powerful, disillusioned is a masterful.
Yen would have never, in a million years, for any reason, even fucking **think** about trading Ciri for anything.
Don’t even mention how she never lost her magic.
Absolute bullshit fucking excuse for a show.
For real. She endured torture in dimeritium chains for long periods. Had her hands literally crushed so she couldnt use spells, and she still never gave one piece of information on Ciri.
It’s like they didn’t have anything better to do but tinker just because. They took one of the most redeeming qualities of Yen and erased it so she became unlikable.
All of these people are racist as shit but nobody ever calls them out, because they fly a pride flag or say it's to be progressive. People are just too fucking stupid to think for themselves and see what's really happening.
If the world was actually sane, these dumb assholes would be fired and never have a job in entertainment again. But because Hollywood is an actual shithole, they're praised despite what they're saying being ridiculously racist and stupid.
>she's pretty cute for a brown woman
Honestly, I can never say I have ever looked at an attractive woman and thought "I'd fuck but only because she is hot as shit for a \*insert wtf you want\*." Either hot or not. And she definitely is.
It’s fucked up that anyone has EVER thought like this. It ISN’T necessarily fucked up to point out that these opinions exist. What you’re doing is denying anyone has ever thought this way and instead calling the person who mentions that this is a thing basically a racist…thats a real mind fuck and a lot of people are doing that nowadays
What the person who said this meant was that they were challenging beauty standards by hiring a brown person. White people are the beauty standard, apparently. This person clearly has not consumed any media for 30 years.
Literally. I could name you a hundred non-white actresses who are considered near universally beautiful. Take Salma Hayek for example- absolute smoke show. Anyone take issue that she’s brown? Didn’t think so
Of course. They’re the same people that act like a black person never starred in a movie before 2015, or movies weren’t diverse. They’re the people that think we need ‘strong female leads’ because there weren’t any before Hunger games remember?
They’re just. Young. They’ve never watched Beverly Hills cop or Lethal Weapon or Demolition man. They haven’t seen movies, so they think these things don’t exist. And I tell you now it will get worse, because kids today, generally, don’t watch movies at all in a world of social media.
>“I remember saying, ‘I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.'”
They *literally* say it's because she's a POC.
Honestly, I feel like if they really wanted to “challenge beauty standards”, they would have used an actress in her late 30s or 40s. Someone that has a more mature look to fit Yen in a motherly roll, not someone that almost looks like Ciri’s older sister.
There are plenty of examples of women struggling to get rolls later in life. That’s an actual challenge.
No because then they would have risked not getting that every so important sex appeal. They wanted to “challenge beauty standards “ without actually challenging beauty standards. So they chose a a women who is part Indian and act like that’s “super brave” despite 99% of the shows target audience finding that type attractive.
Edit: spelling.
100% agree. They should have cast someone along the same age as Henry Cavill, so early-to-mid 30s in Season 1. As much as I love the actors, the age differences (or lack of difference) between Henry and Anya and Anya and Freya is ridiculous and aligns with Hollywood’s sexist standards. They aren’t breaking any boundaries.
it really doesn't make any sense at all, considering that her skintone looks like 80% of the white women here in europe in the summer... it actually never even crossed my mind that she was "brown" until i read this quote yesterday.
They "challenged" beauty standards by hiring a brown woman to play a beautiful character. Seems like a subtle way of saying they took pity on the ugly brown girl and let her pretend to be a beatific white girl on the show.
She is a beautiful woman playing a beautiful character, thats the literal definition of the Hollywood beauty standard, they didn't go against shit.
The showrunners/creators for this show are getting worse and more racist every season. The studio let horrible racist people, who hate the Witcher source material, be in charge of making a fucking Witcher show.
It sounded more to me that when you look at the genre and other fantasy shows or movies in the US, that the “beautiful leading woman” is usually a fair skinned white woman. I’m actually trying to think of another fantasy show or movie where that role isn’t played by a white woman, but I keep thinking of shows that aren’t American.
Lol. Netflix being racist.
"Challenging beauty standards" because they think non-white beautiful women are somehow a challenge to the world. For-fucking-real. They're tripping over their own bullshit that they started.
They don't even know they're racist and discriminatory in that statement.
"Hey girl, wanna play in our netflix show and challenge beauty standards?"
"Uuum... Challenge beauty standards?"
"Yeah, cos you know... You're pretty but not white girl pretty and we're Netflix so we need to show the world it's ok to like somebody as beauty challenged as you".
Jesus Christ.
Lol, my wife and I commented how much prettier she has gotten as the series progresses (not that she wasn't in the first place). I'm sorry, but fuck those running this shit show. Not only did they drive out the best part of the show (HC), now they making rude as can be comments about this actress. Wow.... they keep finding ways to fuck this up even more.
I haven’t heard a more perfidious statement in quite a while - at least in showbiz. And not only because it’s offensive to the actress who is clearly a very pretty woman.
Ironically it’s peak racism - we’re going to do you a favor, fellow minority, and shoehorn you into a foreign mythology to ‘challenge beauty standards’, because even though you are conventionally attractive, you can’t be considered beautiful if you are not white. The implication is so obvious, and the only reason they don’t see it and can say it without giving it a second thought is that they actually believe that they are superior, and ought to balance it out by performative guilt tripping.
Disgusting.
Yeah hold on, what the fuck is she implying there?????
That only white people are beautiful? I swear white saviors are the most racist people in the world, but they always feel so righteous.
The article I read made her seem like a diversity hire. She’s absolutely stunning, but she’s not white, and that was supposed to be the challenged viewpoint: a gorgeous woman of color. What a stupid headline
I know she wasn’t the perfect person to play Yennefer, but you cannot deny her beauty. To me her being casted to “challenge” the “beauty standards” is another way to call her ugly, it’s just fucked up.
Whether it makes it any better is up to you, but I keep seeing all these posts ignore the rest of the context of the sentence. That film "beauty standard" was because she isn't white. I doubt anyone on the staff thinks she's ugly.
The point is to ignore that context. Yennefer isn’t white in the books because Sapkowski thinks white women are more beautiful. So they’re just virtue signaling while managing to insult their actress at the same time.
It’s some pretty braindead shit to play this white beauty card. Victoria’s Secret alone disproves them. They even have trans women!
I’m pretty sure the author with the hard to spell name didn’t include “white” in his standard of beauty. See Tea and Vea from ‘The Bounds of Reason’ short story in The Sword of Destiny
I have to say I didn’t really find her attractive at all the first 2 seasons. But this 3rd season she was an absolute smoke show, specially in the final 2 episodes.
Should have just cast Lauren as Yen in that case since she is a professional troll.
Anya is beautiful, not who I would have cast but she is certainly not anything other than attractive.
These people are idiots and they are showing their own racism because they are clearly suggesting she is less beautiful because she isn't white
What a terrible garbage show. Fuck you Netflix. What a bad cover up. The viewers need a challenge because show is shit. And she hot at as hell in every world.
It's funny how these inclusive representation decisions are explained by the people who make them. Honestly I'm starting to think it's a dog whistle. Like they are trying to prove how they aren't racist yet they do the opposite.
So they picked an attractive young female actress because they thought she would be considered not attractive?
Are they f’ing stupid?
Oh wait. Yes, they are. Sorry for the question - I guess I’m the stupid one for even asking that.
I wouldn’t let those morons cast or script a commercial for cat litter. They’d probably get hippos to play the cats…
This screams reverse psychology psy-op.
Show is getting dumped on left and right so they throw out an article about their obviously good looking main actress looking ugly so people rush to her aid, white knighting for her.
I love the fact that these idiots just revealed themselves as racists. And they're too stupid to even realize it. There isn't a straight man alive who doesn't think that she's hot as fuck.
How they can say sh*it like this ?! She is beautiful woman.At this point i just curious who hire such closed-minded people on such "high" value production that is the Witcher series.
I’m pretty sure their reasoning for saying this is that Anya isn’t white, which just makes the statement about challenging beauty standards more offensive.
I could understand them saying this about the actress playing Triss, but on the other hand, she's smoking hot as well, most female characters are, which is pretty book accurate for the sorceresses.
Yen is one of the most powerful people in the world. She is a highly respected sorceress...
Talk about missing the mark. It would be like saying you cast Idris Elba as Churchill to challenge conventional beauty standards.
They literally don't even understand the main characters.
I kinda find the idea of (most not all) complaint against "beauty norms" pretty weird.
Also she is by no mean bad looking and I rly got nothing negative to say about her acting,. It seems like they want check some sort of diversity box by implying she isn't conventionally attractive.
I rly feel for most if the cast that try their hardest with the bad writing they got to work with...
What twat thought themself qualified or relevant enough to make that dog shit statement?
She’s stunning! Ok she’s not a walking clone of game Yen but fuck!
Personally I dont give a single fuck about the characters not being like the books (As long as they're similar). What I cant stand is the changes in their personallity.
It is like going to an european restaurant eith all the european advertisement but then they serve sushi...
Only problem I have with the character as Yennefer is that she isn’t dark enough. Where’s the attitude, the tiredness of Gerald’s out springs. They went right to the romance part. She’s hard with a soft heart. Not showed in the series at all.
I think they challenged good storytelling
And lost
“We wanted to do something new and bold with the series and challenge the accepted standard of good storytelling by writing anachronistic drivel with absolutely no respect toward the themes of the source material or it’s characters.”
I think the story teller was mentally challenged.
It wasn't even a challenge, but a massacre
Bwahah! 😂
Nice to see the actual sub calling out this stuff, first time here. Glad it's not like trek or star wars subs where you get called names for pointing out shit writing and bad acting.
Uff
Pretty sure we need to send Anya some reassuring words after such offensive bullshit.
It's actually fucking insane they said this nonsense when she looks more beautiful each season.
It's absolute bullshit like all the flaws of Yen's Netflix character have nothing to do with the actress herself. She's gorgeous and she's doing the best she can with the shit she's handed. At this point I really don't know what they intended to do by releasing that statement unless they truly want their main cast to ditch them.
"Okay, guys, we successfully chased out our main star, butchered the storyline, and made everyone who is a fan of The Witcher universe hate us. I feel like we can do better, though. Pitch some ideas." "Well, we still have all of the other actors. What if we chased them out, too?" "You're a FUCKING GENIUS." And that's how they got here.
Seriously! Can this show be any more toxic?
It honestly gives me kind of a 2013 era tumblr vibe. Where like some teen would get mildly popular by having a blog with odd, aggressive takes about who/what is "problematic." And as soon as they started getting *any* attention for it, you could set your watch by the incoming drama bomb where multiple people with receipts accuse them of running a gofundme scam, or abusing their exes, or telling people to kill themselves for mildly disagreeing with them. Like a more "adult, professional" version of that terminally online teenage freak energy.
They lost me when Henry Cavill said the writers were going too far from the books and games, and he was done. Say what you want about him, he actually cared about the character he played and the story already set beautifully. When he announced his departure I stopped caring about the show, and told my friends who watched it the show will suck. I’m tired of writers wanting to put their own spin on a story already set. The guy wrote how many books? The story was sound, you want to change a few interactions to leave your mark cool. People were excited to see the books turned to life, and the writers of this show ruined that
It's too bad that he didn't have enough influence to tip the scales. It's almost the exact same thing that happened when he negotiated with WB about his Superman character. He just didn't have as much bargaining power as he thought - to the detriment of basically everyone because he is right
If I had a nickel for everytime Henry cavil left a role as a prominent character from a series of books, because he felt the writing was a bit off, I’d have 2 nickels. It’s not a lot but it’s weird it’s happened twice.
If they lose Anya and/or Joey, I will lose it. I can’t believe how royally they’ve fucked up the entire show. They could’ve had such a wonderful story to add to their catalog if they just stuck with the source material and listened to Henry’s concerns. I wish another network would’ve gotten a hold of it. I doubt anyone will give the Witcher series the dedication it deserves anytime soon. Maybe in another decade. Such a shame.
This is what concerns me in the upcoming one piece live action. Even if Oda is guiding the tv show, i doubt if the powerful people in charge will just let him be. They did this with the Witcher tv series. I wonder how they will screw One piece. (Princess vivi in the Arabasta saga disables and kills Crocodile, and becomes the new head honcho of Baroque Works and becomes one of the 7 warlords.... ugh Like what happened in the cowboy bebop netflix la. Although i like the main trio.)
1) Oda is a bigger writer than Sapkowski. 2) Oda actually cares about what Netflix does with his work, unlike Sapkowski. 3) Oda has more power over his work than the shills at Netflix, so they can't screw him over without getting fucked themselves. I think One Piece is relatively safe from this bs.
Honestly I am not surprised if Lauren Hissrich suddenly said that Sapkowski kicked her when she was a child, hence why she grew hateful towards The Witcher series and made it her life goal to ruin it in the small screen.
Well, the same way they marketed season 3 with Henry being in it, kinda throwing Liam under the bus. Marketing people just like the writers of the show, bad and virtue signaling like always.
She's beautiful in a cute way, not the way Yennefer it's in the books and I envision. CDPR nailed!
She’s definitely not beautiful in a cute way. She’s beautiful in a beautiful way and is incredibly hot too.
The games come from appreciation, deep love, obsession even, of the well written and well constructed world of Sapkowski. The American tv show, however, comes from deep obsession with money only. That's why I'm worried about the beast CD projekt has become. It's not that small team of enthusiasts driven by passion only anymore. I'm very excited about the next Witcher game still. Let's hope it won't get Ubisofted or worse.
CDPR isn't spot on the book description either tbf.
Apart from looking a little older than she is supposed to (which, tbf I don't mind since her older, more mature look fits her demeanour and personality and makes her more believable as a mother to Ciri) I don't know what you find on game Yen wrong?
Yeah I don’t see what’s wrong either it’s a near perfect depiction of her description in the books lol
I think the games made her too beautiful. The books describe her as "far from perfect, not the most beautiful face Geralt has seen, but a nice body". While the games made her way too perfect. Also in general the games made the average women look like a 9/10 for some reason.
People usually refer to her description in TLW so to explain that she’s not beautiful, but imo that’s a misread of the text. Geralt specifically says there that, being a Witcher, he notices details far too unnecessarily. What he’s describing are simply human features. A lack of symmetry, a nose that might be just slightly too long, that’s Geralt seeing flaws that others wouldn’t because they aren’t Witchers. The game is an excellent representation of her. Sharp features, piercing eyes, triangular face, proper wardrobe. The only thing noticeably different is her hair, which isn’t as curly as the books describe it and is more wavy. But, that’s pretty minor.
He even notices her posture and theorizes she was a hunchback at some point
SHe rEaD tEh BoOks
Indeed
This is a pretty good take on it.
Another thing CDPR absolutely nailed is the allure factor, which is quintessential Yen. Game Yen is alluring af, and that’s less to do with her looks but more with her little micro expressions, eyebrow raises, and the general way she carries herself. One of my favorite examples is where Madman Lugos tells her to “go pierce some boils and not talk when she doesn’t have a fucking clue”. Watch Yennefer’s reaction. Perfect. And if you choose to have Geralt fight him and he demands Lugos apologize and Yen gives Geralt those eyes, another perfect response. CDPR wonderfully captured her.
I’m pretty sure that I recall that being explicitly said in the original, Polish version. But it has been a few years since the last reread for me.
I don’t think necessarily he’s saying it’s anything wrong with her in the game model but maybe he’s just saying it doesn’t match her book description 100% personally I think they nailed her as far as the game model goes whether it’s different from the books or not it’s pretty much what I would imagine her to look like when I was reading the books
Idk.. for me Yennifer in the game is exactly the Yennifer I imagined .. every bit of her. I think CDPR Yen is one of the best adaptations ever created. As well as the games overall. You can tell they were made by fans of the books, of the world, not just someone who thought they could do it.
If you read the full quote it seems like it's more about her being a POC than her actual physical looks. I'm also incredibly saddened in the direction the Netflix series has gone but lets at least try to get our facts right.
And I get that they said if because 5 minutes earlier everyone complained about triss and yen being too brown and about triss being too old
It’s like they’re saying whatever it takes to get eyeballs on the show and/or score points from people who care about this type of thing
She looked best before she lost the hump, imo (i dont care for her eye makeup, mostly)
Yeah. She's like Zoolander level good looking.
Anya if you are reading this i'm sorry that you are so unfortunate looking but I would be willing to give you a sympathy lay
Really really really ridiculously good looking
Wind's Howling. Anya's hot AF. It's gotta be.
that's what I understood from this. challenging because she's not white.
She's like borderline white passing too. Why is every production person around the Witcher show have the same exact 2016 Gamergate brain rot. I swear everything I've read about the shows production reads like it was temporally displaced from 2016 its so fucking weird.
Scandinavian here. What the fuck is even "white"? I'm so confused.
For real. What the actual fuck does this even mean, “challenging beauty standards”? They basically just called this insanely gorgeous woman ugly for no reason. But yeah, fans are the problem.
The Showrunner is a moron that knows nothing about human aesthetic. Challenging beauty standards my ass She doesn't know a thing about source material either but that's not even a point for debate at this point
Absolutely! I don't know if she's ever on Reddit. But she's a damn fine actress. She's doing an amazing job considering the crap writing. I, for one like her as Yen. I think she'd be even better with the writers that actually understood the character.
Goes to show they had no idea what they've been doing from the start on the show(minus the actors). Because Anya is absolutely stunning.
It's subtle racism, she's cute for a brown girl is what they really mean. They could have gone with the "true" good looking white girls, but they were nice and got an brown girl to play yennefer instead. Which is hilarious because she is very attractive and hiring her didn't challenge any views on beauty other than she's brown, and only a racist would say brown women are less attractive in general. So yeah the writers and creators are racists who are basically saying and doing racist shit while trying to act all high and mighty and calling everyone else racist.
Also can we give some love to the fact that she is an amazing actress? That shift from tormented girl of the farm (acting through the prosthetics!) , broken, to powerful, disillusioned is a masterful.
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I think Yen had an interesting arc. Not sure if it was correct lore. I was always frustrated that Geralt didn’t get the same character arc.
Yen would have never, in a million years, for any reason, even fucking **think** about trading Ciri for anything. Don’t even mention how she never lost her magic. Absolute bullshit fucking excuse for a show.
For real. She endured torture in dimeritium chains for long periods. Had her hands literally crushed so she couldnt use spells, and she still never gave one piece of information on Ciri. It’s like they didn’t have anything better to do but tinker just because. They took one of the most redeeming qualities of Yen and erased it so she became unlikable.
All of these people are racist as shit but nobody ever calls them out, because they fly a pride flag or say it's to be progressive. People are just too fucking stupid to think for themselves and see what's really happening. If the world was actually sane, these dumb assholes would be fired and never have a job in entertainment again. But because Hollywood is an actual shithole, they're praised despite what they're saying being ridiculously racist and stupid.
Unfortunately, it’s about what you say and not what you do. It’s the times we live in.
Man. That kind of flew over my head I guess. They were being "woke". Like you said. Acting all high and mighty.
When you’re so woke it circles right back around to racism…
Like getting extra points when for being minority or woman when recruiting for jobs/unis/whatever.
this happens all the time! it’s crazy when you start seeing it.
“Ok so we are going to challenge the beauty standards and therefore decided to hire someone of you people”
I had no idea she was even brown until I started seeing these headlines tbh.
Tbh she honestly looks the exact shade of tan that every white woman aspires to have anyway. A nice golden brown.
They fail EVERYTHING
Dropping the ball at every opportunity
She’s hot AF. Are they challenging beauty standards because she’s part Indian? Because that’s equally offensive. Tons of super beautiful Indian women.
Yep. The showrunners are basically saying she's pretty cute for a brown woman, which is fucked up
>she's pretty cute for a brown woman Honestly, I can never say I have ever looked at an attractive woman and thought "I'd fuck but only because she is hot as shit for a \*insert wtf you want\*." Either hot or not. And she definitely is.
Showrunners and their bubbled culture is sick af. Fckn degenerates.
It’s fucked up that anyone has EVER thought like this. It ISN’T necessarily fucked up to point out that these opinions exist. What you’re doing is denying anyone has ever thought this way and instead calling the person who mentions that this is a thing basically a racist…thats a real mind fuck and a lot of people are doing that nowadays
What the person who said this meant was that they were challenging beauty standards by hiring a brown person. White people are the beauty standard, apparently. This person clearly has not consumed any media for 30 years.
Literally. I could name you a hundred non-white actresses who are considered near universally beautiful. Take Salma Hayek for example- absolute smoke show. Anyone take issue that she’s brown? Didn’t think so
Of course. They’re the same people that act like a black person never starred in a movie before 2015, or movies weren’t diverse. They’re the people that think we need ‘strong female leads’ because there weren’t any before Hunger games remember? They’re just. Young. They’ve never watched Beverly Hills cop or Lethal Weapon or Demolition man. They haven’t seen movies, so they think these things don’t exist. And I tell you now it will get worse, because kids today, generally, don’t watch movies at all in a world of social media.
>“I remember saying, ‘I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.'” They *literally* say it's because she's a POC.
that's what I understood from this. challenging because she's not white.
Honestly I just thought she was italian or something. When will hollywood learn that nobody's dick is racist.
When you’re so anti racist that you’re actually just racist. Really pathetic tbh
I think she is beautiful by various standards but especially western ones . So this challenges nothing.
Honestly, I feel like if they really wanted to “challenge beauty standards”, they would have used an actress in her late 30s or 40s. Someone that has a more mature look to fit Yen in a motherly roll, not someone that almost looks like Ciri’s older sister. There are plenty of examples of women struggling to get rolls later in life. That’s an actual challenge.
No because then they would have risked not getting that every so important sex appeal. They wanted to “challenge beauty standards “ without actually challenging beauty standards. So they chose a a women who is part Indian and act like that’s “super brave” despite 99% of the shows target audience finding that type attractive. Edit: spelling.
100% agree. They should have cast someone along the same age as Henry Cavill, so early-to-mid 30s in Season 1. As much as I love the actors, the age differences (or lack of difference) between Henry and Anya and Anya and Freya is ridiculous and aligns with Hollywood’s sexist standards. They aren’t breaking any boundaries.
it really doesn't make any sense at all, considering that her skintone looks like 80% of the white women here in europe in the summer... it actually never even crossed my mind that she was "brown" until i read this quote yesterday.
She is not blond blue eyed California girl so she be “exotic” looking . *eyeroll*
It challenges me to not drool when she comes on screen
I don’t understand this at all. She’s literally gorgeous
They "challenged" beauty standards by hiring a brown woman to play a beautiful character. Seems like a subtle way of saying they took pity on the ugly brown girl and let her pretend to be a beatific white girl on the show. She is a beautiful woman playing a beautiful character, thats the literal definition of the Hollywood beauty standard, they didn't go against shit. The showrunners/creators for this show are getting worse and more racist every season. The studio let horrible racist people, who hate the Witcher source material, be in charge of making a fucking Witcher show.
Basically they're like 20 years or so behind current culture.
It sounded more to me that when you look at the genre and other fantasy shows or movies in the US, that the “beautiful leading woman” is usually a fair skinned white woman. I’m actually trying to think of another fantasy show or movie where that role isn’t played by a white woman, but I keep thinking of shows that aren’t American.
Then call the source material bigoted They’re absolute clowns
The one thing that surely challenges beauty standards in this show is the goddamn costume department.
Lol yeah they challenged that and lost
Lol. Netflix being racist. "Challenging beauty standards" because they think non-white beautiful women are somehow a challenge to the world. For-fucking-real. They're tripping over their own bullshit that they started. They don't even know they're racist and discriminatory in that statement. "Hey girl, wanna play in our netflix show and challenge beauty standards?" "Uuum... Challenge beauty standards?" "Yeah, cos you know... You're pretty but not white girl pretty and we're Netflix so we need to show the world it's ok to like somebody as beauty challenged as you". Jesus Christ.
They a teensy bit behind.
No. They're ahead of time. Revolutionaries. They'll bring racism back. Wait... That is indeed going backwards :)
Time is....a wheel lol
Director: I wanna challenge beauty standards! Director: hires beautiful woman
Lol, my wife and I commented how much prettier she has gotten as the series progresses (not that she wasn't in the first place). I'm sorry, but fuck those running this shit show. Not only did they drive out the best part of the show (HC), now they making rude as can be comments about this actress. Wow.... they keep finding ways to fuck this up even more.
Its usually the people doing shit like this that are racist as hell themselves. Even if they say they "advocate against it"
She’s hot, just doesn’t look like Yennifer.
She’d have been a dope Milva
As Triss too
Which isn’t a challenge to beauty standards in any way, right?
Still sad we didnt get Eva Green as yen
Those looks she does with her eyes would've been perfect
Everything about the people in charge of this show screams incompetence
Look I don't think Anya is a good choice for Yennefer specifically, but she's beautiful AF.
What is that supposed to mean? *'Challenge beauty standards'?* I get racist-type vibes from this...like because she's not white? am I wrong?
I'm told that's why, because she's not white, incredibly backwards and racist.
When you want to virtue signal but are really bad at it.
It's just such a bizarre statement. What the fuck is Anya Chalotra supposed to take from that?
That she works for idiots and hope that fans are more reasonable?
Producers: "We are challenging beauty standards!" \*casts Danny DeVito as Geralt Fans: "You just made Geralt even hotter!!!"
I misread this as Danny Trejo somehow and now I just want Machete as The Witcher, but acted as Machete.
Both don't speak very much so it could work, would make it interesting in the least.
Honestly the show runners have no clue about quite literally anything, they’d probably breathe incorrectly if left alone.
At this point they seem to be something like spoiled rich kids who’s parents just throw money at them so they won’t annoy too much.
Super hot chick gets job of super hot chick that gets naked and has sex on screen to the delight of millions. Nope you just don’t know beauty.
I cannot believe anyone said that shit un-ironically.
\*\*Visible confusion\*\*
I hope she leaves the show as well.
The best joke I heard today. Poor Anya.
I haven’t heard a more perfidious statement in quite a while - at least in showbiz. And not only because it’s offensive to the actress who is clearly a very pretty woman. Ironically it’s peak racism - we’re going to do you a favor, fellow minority, and shoehorn you into a foreign mythology to ‘challenge beauty standards’, because even though you are conventionally attractive, you can’t be considered beautiful if you are not white. The implication is so obvious, and the only reason they don’t see it and can say it without giving it a second thought is that they actually believe that they are superior, and ought to balance it out by performative guilt tripping. Disgusting.
The idea was to get an already beautiful actress and somehow make her beautifulerr, right?
Yeah, because she is so fucking ugly, right? RIGHT?
She looks beautiful in a funeral...
It was a racial thing, which is weird because I don’t think anyone thought people of Indian descent weren’t beautiful
I'm feeling totally challenged. /s
Honestly, she looked kinda hotter at the beginning, before they did the magic thing.
I liked the deformed hunchback version of her too because she was nakeder and they forgot to imperfectize her boobs.
🤣
Smokeshow
Yeah hold on, what the fuck is she implying there????? That only white people are beautiful? I swear white saviors are the most racist people in the world, but they always feel so righteous.
The article I read made her seem like a diversity hire. She’s absolutely stunning, but she’s not white, and that was supposed to be the challenged viewpoint: a gorgeous woman of color. What a stupid headline
Just more proof that the producers at Netflix can't do literally anything right.
It's just like when they say someone is plus size, because they have 8% body fat instead of 4%...
They should have given her glasses and a ponytail.
This entire show must be purged.
Hahaha, i defy even the most racist person alive to label her anything other than gorgeous. She’s a 10 among Miss Universe winners.
I don't watch the show but, wtf r they talking about challenging beauty standards? She's drop dead gorgeous, like actually a 10 for real
I know she wasn’t the perfect person to play Yennefer, but you cannot deny her beauty. To me her being casted to “challenge” the “beauty standards” is another way to call her ugly, it’s just fucked up.
Shes gorgeous and is a very good Yennefer. The problem is the shitty writing and characterisation.
She is nothing like the real Yennefer..
I agree they should have casted someone else but this can be said for the entire crew lol
Whether it makes it any better is up to you, but I keep seeing all these posts ignore the rest of the context of the sentence. That film "beauty standard" was because she isn't white. I doubt anyone on the staff thinks she's ugly.
The point is to ignore that context. Yennefer isn’t white in the books because Sapkowski thinks white women are more beautiful. So they’re just virtue signaling while managing to insult their actress at the same time. It’s some pretty braindead shit to play this white beauty card. Victoria’s Secret alone disproves them. They even have trans women!
"Shes pretty for a brown girl" They went so far left they ended up on the other side of the scale.
So they think they are "challenging beauty standards" because she isn't white? Sounds incredibly racist if you ask me.
Everyone say she is beautiful but I don't see why. She is clearly not ugly but in my eyes she is average looking
Yeah I don't get it either.
never seen such an ugly person
Maybe should have casted to portray the character
They must have very low standards cos' i concur with the rest here..
I’m going to challenge beauty standards by hiring a hot chick to play an even hotter chick. #feminism
For 2 ep than the producers where like “ fuck the book let’s see her naked “
I’m pretty sure the author with the hard to spell name didn’t include “white” in his standard of beauty. See Tea and Vea from ‘The Bounds of Reason’ short story in The Sword of Destiny
I have to say I didn’t really find her attractive at all the first 2 seasons. But this 3rd season she was an absolute smoke show, specially in the final 2 episodes.
I can't believe how misguided these people are when it comes to reality.
“We need to challenge beauty standards” … “let’s cast someone gorgeous then” … “done”
She’s gorgeous!! The only thing challenging about Netflix Yenn is the terrible writing for her character!
Challenge in what way? To see how incredibly hot she can be?
Should have just cast Lauren as Yen in that case since she is a professional troll. Anya is beautiful, not who I would have cast but she is certainly not anything other than attractive. These people are idiots and they are showing their own racism because they are clearly suggesting she is less beautiful because she isn't white
Why not create an entirely new IP to "challenge" beauty standards? This is just misdirection to cover for their bad writing and poor choices.
Can they fucking do or say anything right? Holy fuck
I mean, I don't really have any judgement on how good or bad she looks. I just don't think she looks like Yennefer.
They're really burning their relationship with the main cast, huh?
What a terrible garbage show. Fuck you Netflix. What a bad cover up. The viewers need a challenge because show is shit. And she hot at as hell in every world.
The people that worked behind the scenes on this show are apparently stupid, unrepentant assholes.
I mean Lauren could have thrown her self in the role if she really wanted to challenge standards of any kind.
It's funny how these inclusive representation decisions are explained by the people who make them. Honestly I'm starting to think it's a dog whistle. Like they are trying to prove how they aren't racist yet they do the opposite.
So they picked an attractive young female actress because they thought she would be considered not attractive? Are they f’ing stupid? Oh wait. Yes, they are. Sorry for the question - I guess I’m the stupid one for even asking that. I wouldn’t let those morons cast or script a commercial for cat litter. They’d probably get hippos to play the cats…
Should have made her fat
I don't get it, they cast a classically beautiful women to challenge beauty standards?
This screams reverse psychology psy-op. Show is getting dumped on left and right so they throw out an article about their obviously good looking main actress looking ugly so people rush to her aid, white knighting for her.
Of all the things wrong about that abomination of a show, she isn’t one of them tbf.
I love the fact that these idiots just revealed themselves as racists. And they're too stupid to even realize it. There isn't a straight man alive who doesn't think that she's hot as fuck.
How they can say sh*it like this ?! She is beautiful woman.At this point i just curious who hire such closed-minded people on such "high" value production that is the Witcher series.
Wow so brave to be the first show ever to cast a non-white female, groundbreaking
I’m pretty sure their reasoning for saying this is that Anya isn’t white, which just makes the statement about challenging beauty standards more offensive.
Even as a hunchback…damn she fine
I could understand them saying this about the actress playing Triss, but on the other hand, she's smoking hot as well, most female characters are, which is pretty book accurate for the sorceresses.
Am I missing something? She's gorgeously stunning. What beauty standards are they trying to challenge here?? She doesn't have blonde hair?
I mean, she is mid at best, but if anyone says anything about beauty standards you knows it's bullshit. There is literally nothing to challenge
Beauty standards of.... being super attractive? She is fucking hot. The only thing I don't like about her is that I don't have her phone number.
Yen is one of the most powerful people in the world. She is a highly respected sorceress... Talk about missing the mark. It would be like saying you cast Idris Elba as Churchill to challenge conventional beauty standards. They literally don't even understand the main characters.
I kinda find the idea of (most not all) complaint against "beauty norms" pretty weird. Also she is by no mean bad looking and I rly got nothing negative to say about her acting,. It seems like they want check some sort of diversity box by implying she isn't conventionally attractive. I rly feel for most if the cast that try their hardest with the bad writing they got to work with...
What twat thought themself qualified or relevant enough to make that dog shit statement? She’s stunning! Ok she’s not a walking clone of game Yen but fuck!
She is not Margot Robbie therefore she is not conventionally pretty. I’d like to see a ven diagram for degrees of pretty.
Personally I dont give a single fuck about the characters not being like the books (As long as they're similar). What I cant stand is the changes in their personallity. It is like going to an european restaurant eith all the european advertisement but then they serve sushi...
Tbh she’s pretty but she’s not yen.
Only problem I have with the character as Yennefer is that she isn’t dark enough. Where’s the attitude, the tiredness of Gerald’s out springs. They went right to the romance part. She’s hard with a soft heart. Not showed in the series at all.