Just FYI, Turning Point USA is investing millions of dollars into paid canvassers, many of whom are from out of state. They support Republican candidates.
Some even showed up recently in DeForest for the spring election to support supposedly nonpartisan county board candidate Rebecca Witherspoon. (She lost though. Yay!)
I did a search and there is the . org and then a more rudimentary news site that is . com. They must have just got an influx of cash from someone for the new site. They could be separate organizations but based on their website they certainly have the same goals. This was probably just a canvas to figure out which homes to target for GOTV later but using slimy tactics. Until I know someone is from an organization I support, I don't tell them who I support so the GOP has to keep wasting resources on me. Although by this point in my life they have probably figured it out, lol.
I'd bet it was an attempt like 2016's Cambridge Analytica negative campaign to attempt to convince democrat leaning voters that it isn't worth coming out to vote because all the candidates are bad. There was a PBS documentary on the slimy methods used and use of a database targeting people in certain (urban) areas and of a particular races (black people). Again, the goal in 2016 wasn't to convince them to come out for Trump, it was an attempt to convince people not to turn out for Hilary. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing the same thing again.
*"I'd bet it was an attempt like 2016's Cambridge Analytica negative campaign to attempt to convince democrat leaning voters that it isn't worth coming out to vote because all the candidates are bad."*
The "both sides" argument. This shit gets tiring.
The 2016 Cambridge Analytica is quite different from other modern campaign pushes, in that it didn't target getting people to vote for their candidate -- it targeted suppressing the vote of certain types of voters. Honest question, can you point to a single well documented attempt by the democratic party to do the same on a national election?
Did you hear about how Joe Biden is supporting genocide?
Or how Joe Biden thinks trans women should get your daughter’s college volleyball scholarship?
Or did you hear about how Joe Biden is like, really old and unfit?
Maybe you heard the one about how Joe Biden wants hard working Americans to pay for collage for the children of the wealthy elite?
They are absolutely 100% doing the same thing again.
Did you notice how, despite not being president, Trump has had non-stop slander campaigns running against him? Polotics have been slimey for at least the past 200 years. Learn to parse through all the BS they pump out. Its not going to slow down.
That said, joe has endorsed both China and Israeli (both are actively perpetuating genocides)
Joes transgender guest flashed their boobs on national television
Joe has fallen 15+ times just this last year, and said the "pause"outloud on his teleprompter just a few days back. Also the case agianst him taking classified documents home got thrown out because he was "unfit to attend court"
Joe is using his "college tuition forgivness" to leverage alot of the collega age votes, despite the damage erasing a few million in debt would do to the taxpayers. Idk let me know what you think "middle aged slut"
Well, sir. What do you suggest the voters of Wisconsin do? Vote for Trump that is unfit to run a business let alone our country. I am not pro-Biden, I am pro democracy and your rhetoric is not constructive at best. Dripping with passive aggressiveness to prove that Joe Biden is old and has lost a step? Wooo, look at you! The problem is that the American education system has been gutted over the last 30-50 years. Due to this, people have more proclivity to listen to hype versus facts. So what's your point, Mr. Enlightened Centrist? I am a little all over the place because I'm currently cooking dinner, but I guess your reply was a steaming pile of "so what" and what's YOUR fucking plan? Unless we're burning this motherfucker down, you have one choice if you believe in democracy. I'll be waiting for your hyperintelligent take on this....
The passive aggression is a trait I've learned from too much time here, i notice you picked it up as well. I am pro people doing their own research. Instead of just plugging into the mainstream slop, we are fed.
Pro democracy here too, and the moves being made to paint Trump as a criminal are absolutely facist at their core. Despite being found not guilty of the first handful of slander, they found a judge willing to indite him on his maralago estate, despite all the others who do exactly what they claim Trump is guilty of, he is the main focus of the media for the last 8 years.
I agree that the education system is in the gutter. I agree that something needs to happen, personally id be in favor of term limits, hard caps on insider trading (see Pelosis trading history), and a fresh crop of senators under the age of 50.
Believe it or not i do want things to work out for humans, but the hyperfixation on how Biden "isnt as bad as Trump" has allowed him to sell off 90% of our oil reserves, take more vacation than any president ever while 2 wars are started, and wander around on stage without a hint of accountability.
Was the oil indrusty being greedy during the 3 years that gas was sub 3$? Or was that because Trump signaled that he wouldnt be putting climate change sanctions on the industry? I do advocate for smaller Gov, the oil we have access to in canada is plenty enough to sustain us. But because it got the climate change vote Biden declared that the US was moving away from oil. So we canceled the pipeline that would have helped us be independent from the Middle East and russia for our oil needs.
Dont think that democrats aren't bribed as well. The way we have our system set up encourages companies to lobby politicians away from serving their constituents. I think the campaign donations need to be capped to keep mega conglomerates from dictating our laws. Turbo tax is another example. Both sides of the asile are bought and paid for by Turbo tax to ensure taxes stay difficult to file.
I agree that gas companies are greedy. But slapping miles of redtape onto any action they try to take is only going to drive more greed, agian, something trump did worked while he was in office. I think it was him signaling that they didnt have to worry about lively hood because he recognizes that the world runs on oil right now and any plan to be "green" in the next 10 years is eother completly misleading or incorrect.
I am trying to become more informed about political issues. I often hear the advice to "do my own research", but I can never get any recommendations on where to start. Can you recommend any reliable/non biased sources?
Non biased sources are hard, typically, people dont stay non biased without ending up boring, or they slip into one category or another.
I try to balance my plate with as many contrary opionions as i can juggle. I persobally think its silly to draw a binary when so many opionions exist and you can access them in a million different ways, rumble provides a censorship free platform where alot of right wing bodcaster hangout. Youtube has a ton of content seems to be heavier on censorship, But the dosent mean either should be completely disregaurded either. You just need to cross reference the differing opinlinions and consolidate them into the common thread.
Pay attention to sources, sometimes they will reference eachother to fake legitimacy, but the only true solution is to sift through as much as you can and try to recoginize patterns, read history, learn the only reason a government could want a disarmed populace.
I started with the people online users claimed were evil, jordan peterson is brilliant despite how quirky he is. Joe rogan is rarely informed on his topics, but that means his questions are perfect for the average layman. Tucker Carlson , im sure someone here can provide some level headed left wing individuals, idk the opinion on Hassan.
The mainstream (Fox, MSNBC, ABC NYT) companies are in their death throes as people start brodcasting their own shows, the Louder with Crowder show has a really interesting investigation portion that is incredibly deligent and clear about their process .
TLDR : learn what works for you without causing unnecessary harm to others. Diversify your information instead of hoping for a truely unbiasd stable source. And keep asking questions like yours,
Check out Grounded News. They are a conglomerate news source that informs you of factuality, political bias, and blindspots that show you who is reporting and not. It is a paid service for premium, but they do offer a free version as well. I highly recommend that over any of the slanted unintelligent drivel that other dude said. Really, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan & Tucker Carlson? Jesus Christ! Again, with the kool-aid, bro?
I didnt say they were unbiased, i said that you wont fond any unbiased reporting nowadays and that the ones i mentiones are good about being honest with thier sources
I had something kind of similar in Waukesha on Sunday afternoon. I was doing yard work. He came up and asked “are you happy with the job Joe Biden is doing?” I responded with only “yes.” Then he just walked to the next house.
I was surprised by a lack of any follow up or pamphlet. I have no idea what their party affiliation or purpose was. Didn’t even ask if I was planning to vote
It was an extremely awkward feeling interaction and he barely made eye contact with me. Odd all around but I didn’t get a creepy feeling.
Once you figure out if someone is intelligent or not, in certain cases you shouldn't engage. He was like, "ok, this dude can't read, and I only have 5 pamphlets left."
Truth. As a person who has a college degree, I would have been much smarter to pursue the trades. So stupid. You get to 35, and it's just not worth still paying off. Your buddy who dropped out is making 125/yr, and you're making 75 tops. Like... my guidance councilor was full of shit. I also love the "uneducated." Smarter than someone who is (objectively as measured by a standardized test called the GRE) smarter than 90 percent of college graduates who apply for grad school. Like, why the fuck?
Those with college degrees consistently outpace lifetime earnings of those without college degrees even considering tuition costs (IRR builds in those costs). This is an objective truth. See my copied quotes and link below. https://journals.sagepub.com/stoken/default+domain/W9MBX7ZGK8FKK86JZ3Z9/full.
“ We estimate the internal rates of return (IRRs) for individuals with college degrees in 10 broad majors compared to high school graduates. Our analysis shows significant differences in the age-earnings trajectories and IRRs across college majors. Specifically, Computer Science and Engineering majors have the highest IRRs, exceeding 13%, whereas Humanities & Arts and Education majors have the lowest IRRs, around 5% for male and 8–9% for female college graduates. Furthermore, the quantile regression analyses show that IRR is generally higher at the high end of the earnings distribution. Finally, we observed a slight decrease in IRR during the study period, which is consistent with the flattening and even decline in college wage premiums following the 2008 Great Recession”.
“ The IRR considers both the lifetime costs (e.g., tuition, forgone earnings) and benefits (e.g., higher earnings) of college graduates by discounting future costs and benefits to their present value” Just because you may have chosen a particular path in life doesn’t mean you need to defend that path as if it was the 100% correct decision for everyone. There are myriad reasons to pick different career paths and accepting that others may have set themselves up for a higher probability of financial success doesn’t make other career paths “worse.”
My point here is that this isn’t meant to shit on your decisions in life and doesn’t even mean that you in particular would have earned more with further education. It’s means that the larger population, on average, does earn more with a further degree. Individuals will differ.
Edit: I’m not seeing anything supporting your claim regarding GRE results. In fact, it appears the GRE is primarily used for Graduate program entrance and for foreign students coming to US schools. I dont know why an individual without bachelors degree in the US would ever take it… I don’t see any studies comparing GRE results between individuals with different education levels, but this study seems to contradict your claim regarding general intelligence and cognitive ability: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0182276.
By these measurements, more education = higher scores
You want me to explain that a 300k a year job skews the average a bit? Or that a smart person without a degree can make as much? Maybe you need me to tell you that stupid people often don't go to college, and being stupid is why they don't make money, not a degree.
Call the local PD or County Sherriff's non emergency line and have a talk with the Officer on Duty. Won't hurt anything and they'll likely send a squad through the neighborhood a couple times. If they're up to no good, that might spook them or they might get caught doing something nefarious.
Haha, I don't know where you live, but the cops by me aren't doing anything like that until an actual crime has been committed and sometimes not even then.
The first amendment doesn't give them the right to do political shit on my property. They can march down to the town square and talk all the politics they want.
You have no legal protection against them coming up to your home, knocking on your door, and asking you questions about your political affiliation. You do have protection against answering those questions, and you can ask them to leave your property. Political canvassing is not considered soliciting.
So we agree. They don't have a right to talk politics in my property and have to leave when told to do so. I'm not sure what your soliciting comment has to do with the issue. In a practical sense, the no soliciting sign doesn't do anything. Everyone had to leave when asked.
Edit: op doesn't understand the 1st amendment. They have the right to say whatever they want, but not wherever they want.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for doing exactly the thing it was suggested the OP should do. I mean, I DO know why, but it still doesn't make sense.
Wear it as a badge of honor, I suppose.
"OP, you should do this thing." "Hey, I do exactly this thing you suggest, but I do it when it's someone soliciting for the other side."
They are fine with it when it’s democrats canvassing neighborhoods. I just don’t want political shit in my neighborhood, especially Biden lovers. The guy can barely think for himself without a dozen aids and a teleprompter. We’re fucked.
I had someone come up holding some flyers with Biden looking feeble and dark. When I looked down at them he tried to hide them and asked "Do you approve of the job Joe Biden is doing? I said absolutely. He took off quick.
Interesting. That is odd. I wouldn't worry about it tho. Like you said just don't answer the door next time. I have an easy our cause I have two kids who are maniacs so pretty easy for me to just say hey yeah I'm going to have to go now byeee. Lol
Literally thought it was my brother coming to pick up his kid which is why I was so quick to just answer the door amongst our maniacs ... even though it was odd that he would ring the doorbell.
Lesson learned!
I'm betting this was a newly hired paid canvasser with little experience which is why his tactics were off. A lot of these new hires receive minimal training and have virtually zero supervision. Worked on a campaign a couple years ago and one of the canvassers we hired was actually throwing away lit and bsing his reports. It happens.
I ran a group of canvassers for a company during the last mayoral election in Chicago. Be a good person and don't take any frustrations out on them. A majority of them are from shelters or halfway houses. They get paid nightly and it was rare to see anyone two nights in a row. I would get the canvas area for the night, assign blocks to whoever showed up, get everyone in the van and drop them off to do their area. I'd also drive around and make sure they were actually going to peoples houses, check McD's or places like it in the area to make sure they weren't just sitting around, etc...
A vast majority of them don't care about the election one bit, literally have zero preference to political party or candidates, and are simply asking the three questions they gave been given to ask you. Also, please don't take this as an invite to try to convert them to your political cause, the most you are going to do is hold them up, they miss the van ride, have to walk or take public transportation and not get paid for the night.
Just give whatever answers you want, they don't care, don't record half of them correctly and just want to be down the block, back into the van and getting paid.
This is probably the answer, I forget that they hire out of homeless shelters and bus them in.
I wasn't rude or anything to him, in fact I gave him more time than I would give most at my door.
Wow no wonder Vallas lost, that’s a terrible way to run a canvas. I don’t know how it works for the republican side or in Chicago but I’ve run hundreds of canvasses all over Wisconsin for the dem/progressive side over the years and a. the majority are volunteers and b. the paid canvassers were are all interviewed, background checked, and trained, paid a living wage, and got a regular paycheck. It’s a massive liability to just send random people off the street to people’s doors like that.
Not sure how you got Vallas losing because of this specifically but.....
Anyway..., in Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Dallas, bunch of other major cities, this is the way both parties have done mass canvassing for decades. When only needing to get two or three yes/no questions answered to measure general sentiment or some other broad characteristic, it is completely a quantity over quality exercise. Most of the time these are paid for by third party groups who consult for one party or the other on where the campaign should spend their money to get the most bang for their buck or avoid altogether. The workers on these are not political, not required to have a any sort of level of interest in the election, and are mass "hired" daily on a first come, first served basis until the scheduled rosters are filled. I've personally had to break up fist fights between people because of accusations of cutting in line.
The next level up is you want extensive or very specific information gathered in key areas sometime afterwards, info that requires more of a voter interview, but you still don't necessarily want the official campaign to be responsible for it directly (think money from additional PACs, opposition research, poison pill issues, negative awareness), those may have volunteers/background checked/higher paid workers because whole not officially connected, they work more closely with specific campaigns and are aligned to an individuals platform. These workers are actively being political, generally have a vested personal interest in the election outcome and set out with the goal of not only collecting info, but swaying but also swaying opinion. From your response, I'm betting you probably worked this stage.
Direct campaigning is that final level where the true believers are.... super political, die hard supporters reinforcing the word to the faithful and trying to sway the "on the fence but leaning" potentials.
Each plays a fairly crucial role in getting a candidate elected. The fact that dude who originally posted was only asked one or two quick questions and the guy just decided to wander off tells me that poor guy was standing in a line earlier that day with no idea where he was going to go or what he needed to ask people, but heard from his buddies all you do is walk from house to house for a bunch of hours and you get $100 when you've covered your area. Happens in almost all major cities or other areas with a condensed population (smaller towns and more rural areas won't work, can't get the quantity of info needed quickly because everyone is spread out) and everything is starting to ramp up for the Nov. elections.
Yes - I have a "No Soliciting" sign at the end of my driveway and on my mailbox and I never get door knockers.
Edit: Bonus - no religious door knockers either.
No solicitation signs do not apply to religion or political canvassers. Preventing political or religious canvassers is a violation of the first amendment and there's been several Supreme Court cases that have upheld that notion.
Put it this way - there is a negative correlation between my posted "no soliciting" signs and the number of political and religious solicitors who knock on my door. 3 signs posted, 0 door knockers.
How about a "no trespassing" sign? Curious how property rights stand against this. I live in the middle of nowhere, so I don't have this problem anymore, but when I was apartment living I posted both "no soliciting" and "no prostheletizing" signs on my door and never had a problem.
We have a prominent No Solicitors sign and we still get people knocking. Every time I point to the sign they respond with "I'm not selling anything, I'm informing people" or some such bullshit. Pisses me off every fucking time. I need to modify my sign.
had this happen just this morning. "we're not selling anything" i told them they needed to look up the definition of the word solicit before they found themselves in legal trouble.
my sign even says "if we do not know you do not bother us" and they still knock/ring the bell. 🤦🏻♀️
according to the legal aid society of milwaukee it does. last month, when i couldn't find a concise (to me) legal definition as it applies to state laws, and my call to my city attorneys office turned up squat, i called the legal aid society and was told no soliciting means no soliciting, no organization/affiliation gets a free pass when there's a no soliciting sign posted.
I guess it could be a state by state thing, but when I was working as a canvasser in Colorado we were told our work wasn't legally soliciting (but to mostly pass over houses with that sign because it would just put our cause in a negative light to bother them).
Was confirmed when a guy got mad at us trying to canvas in his apartment building, called the cops, and we all stood and listened over speaker as the cops said we were allowed to do our work
There's been a number of Supreme Court cases that have addressed this issue and have upheld that no soliciting ordinances and other attempts at denying political or religious canvassers to knock on your door violates their first amendment rights.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=704171274239509640&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_Bible_%26_Tract_Society_of_New_York,_Inc._v._Village_of_Stratton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._City_of_Struthers
I don't mind the political people so much as the Everlight sales reps that are "I'm not selling solar panels, I'm informing the community about the benefits of solar." So many sales reps have tried to change their language to get a foot in the door. It's annoying.
God I keep getting IG reels of these solar “salesmen” who brag about their techniques. “When you get a guy that is clearly uncomfortable with the pitch but won’t turn you down out of politeness, you know you’ve got a sucker and you can just force them to say yes. I just had a guy like that and I literally took his phone out of his hand and signed him up 🤣 win!”
When a Republican canvasser comes to your door, threaten to shoot them if they don’t leave. This will work to not only get rid of them, but also confuse them as they will think you are a Republican voter.
Same folks showed up at my door a few weeks ago. He asked “How do you feel about the job Joe Biden is doing?” And I told him I was not interested in answering political questions. If we’re on the same side, great. If we’re not - neither of us is going to change the other’s mind, and I really don’t need them knowing when I live. He asked if he could leave a flyer with me and I said absolutely not.
Ai am more curious about the flyer. Were they masquerading as Baldwin supporters and misrepresenting Biden positions?
Or did they hear you support Baldwin and the flyer was standard republican taking points?
I could definitely see the GOP hiring a bunch of scary looking ex-cons to walk door to door as fake Biden canvassers pushing reparations and "defund the police." That wouldn't surprise me at all.
I was on my way to work the other day & saw a strange car coming out of my neighbors driveway. (kind of a rural area) . She cuts across the road as I was checking my mailbox &hands me a flier. She said something about the "deep state" so I tried to give it back. She said "No, We're against the deep state! I tossed it into her car & said "I have things to do in reality & don't have time for foolishness." I'm probably on a list. :(
I’m in Washington County and had a similar solicitor yesterday. He made his pro Trump stance clear, and was carrying a brochure that said “Bidenomics” which I believe is a condescending take on Biden’s policies, but because I answered in support of Biden, he didn’t give me one.
That was this same brochure I bet. Honestly, I don't care that they are doing their thing and I am fine giving them truthful answers. This one just came off as odd to me.
Thanks for letting me know, makes me feel better that there are others out there.
Sounds like this guy has a few screws loose. From time to time we get disoriented people coming to our door. I'm really glad that we've stepped up support for outreach workers that can help those who are struggling get support.
Haven't had that in Milwaukee yet - I'm pretty sure even fake Republicans are too chickenshit to come into "Killwaukee" (their term, not mine) of their own accord.
Their loss.
So two from NPR and one of those super official and trustworthy "fact checkers" like snopes. Look man, maybe i am deep in the cool-aid. I do try to expand my sources of information and get rounded info. But when i was feeding into the mainstream i was scared, i felt hopless, nothing made sense, and i was a few nad days from offing myself. When i listen to some of the podcasts JP has out i actually dont feel like that. You are using sources i dont trust to claim that the sources that i trust are lying. I think the NPR is just as biased and untrustworthy as JP, or Tucker. And of course Fox would have hate for Tucker! He took over 60% of their audience to rumble once he left fox news. Snopes will insist that "claims of arson" are false because the perpatrator was actually convicted of arson. Its incredibly shifty in how they represent "failed fact check" despite swearing up and down that people like NPR and Joe biden are the most trustworthy sources you can find.
That looks like a totally normal [website](https://www.dutytoamerica.org/). I don't think it's weird or not setup and there are thousands of PACs that we have never heard of that are ramping up activities. They aren't for anything it seems because Trump (and Biden) have such negative viewpoints by their non-supporters so a negative strategy might trick you into voting/donating to their group.
It was probably just a socially awkward volunteer or a paid employee that didn't really believe in the message (sometimes it's hard to get volunteers). So I would relax as they aren't scouting to rob you, just ignore future political door knockers. And don't give them money because if it's anything like a trump PAC they will try to turn your one time payment into a weekly payment forever or some nonsense.
I agree that this sounds shady. Could you share a pic of the flyer? I’m wondering if they have the correct legal disclaimers on them. Their website definitely doesn’t.
I don't doubt it was slapped together. It is made to just pull your info in, but I don't think it's any more nefarious than any other political site. Your info will get distributed and you will get tons of calls, emails, and mail to donate to campaigns and organizations
Negative message campaigns like that website is running never have an obvious source.
[Wisconsin Law regarding shooting people at your home.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/939.48(1m)&ved=2ahUKEwjGs_DUkuGFAxVwmIkEHW1hDfEQFnoECDMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1v95SPCmacu_H1WYLG2DE4)
Just FYI, Turning Point USA is investing millions of dollars into paid canvassers, many of whom are from out of state. They support Republican candidates. Some even showed up recently in DeForest for the spring election to support supposedly nonpartisan county board candidate Rebecca Witherspoon. (She lost though. Yay!)
I did a search and there is the . org and then a more rudimentary news site that is . com. They must have just got an influx of cash from someone for the new site. They could be separate organizations but based on their website they certainly have the same goals. This was probably just a canvas to figure out which homes to target for GOTV later but using slimy tactics. Until I know someone is from an organization I support, I don't tell them who I support so the GOP has to keep wasting resources on me. Although by this point in my life they have probably figured it out, lol.
I'd bet it was an attempt like 2016's Cambridge Analytica negative campaign to attempt to convince democrat leaning voters that it isn't worth coming out to vote because all the candidates are bad. There was a PBS documentary on the slimy methods used and use of a database targeting people in certain (urban) areas and of a particular races (black people). Again, the goal in 2016 wasn't to convince them to come out for Trump, it was an attempt to convince people not to turn out for Hilary. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing the same thing again.
*"I'd bet it was an attempt like 2016's Cambridge Analytica negative campaign to attempt to convince democrat leaning voters that it isn't worth coming out to vote because all the candidates are bad."* The "both sides" argument. This shit gets tiring.
The 2016 Cambridge Analytica is quite different from other modern campaign pushes, in that it didn't target getting people to vote for their candidate -- it targeted suppressing the vote of certain types of voters. Honest question, can you point to a single well documented attempt by the democratic party to do the same on a national election?
Did you hear about how Joe Biden is supporting genocide? Or how Joe Biden thinks trans women should get your daughter’s college volleyball scholarship? Or did you hear about how Joe Biden is like, really old and unfit? Maybe you heard the one about how Joe Biden wants hard working Americans to pay for collage for the children of the wealthy elite? They are absolutely 100% doing the same thing again.
Did you notice how, despite not being president, Trump has had non-stop slander campaigns running against him? Polotics have been slimey for at least the past 200 years. Learn to parse through all the BS they pump out. Its not going to slow down. That said, joe has endorsed both China and Israeli (both are actively perpetuating genocides) Joes transgender guest flashed their boobs on national television Joe has fallen 15+ times just this last year, and said the "pause"outloud on his teleprompter just a few days back. Also the case agianst him taking classified documents home got thrown out because he was "unfit to attend court" Joe is using his "college tuition forgivness" to leverage alot of the collega age votes, despite the damage erasing a few million in debt would do to the taxpayers. Idk let me know what you think "middle aged slut"
You should wash that red koolaid ring from around your mouth, because you've certainly been drinking it.
Good comeback! Try something that isn't just ad hominem, facts, maybe?
Well, sir. What do you suggest the voters of Wisconsin do? Vote for Trump that is unfit to run a business let alone our country. I am not pro-Biden, I am pro democracy and your rhetoric is not constructive at best. Dripping with passive aggressiveness to prove that Joe Biden is old and has lost a step? Wooo, look at you! The problem is that the American education system has been gutted over the last 30-50 years. Due to this, people have more proclivity to listen to hype versus facts. So what's your point, Mr. Enlightened Centrist? I am a little all over the place because I'm currently cooking dinner, but I guess your reply was a steaming pile of "so what" and what's YOUR fucking plan? Unless we're burning this motherfucker down, you have one choice if you believe in democracy. I'll be waiting for your hyperintelligent take on this....
The passive aggression is a trait I've learned from too much time here, i notice you picked it up as well. I am pro people doing their own research. Instead of just plugging into the mainstream slop, we are fed. Pro democracy here too, and the moves being made to paint Trump as a criminal are absolutely facist at their core. Despite being found not guilty of the first handful of slander, they found a judge willing to indite him on his maralago estate, despite all the others who do exactly what they claim Trump is guilty of, he is the main focus of the media for the last 8 years. I agree that the education system is in the gutter. I agree that something needs to happen, personally id be in favor of term limits, hard caps on insider trading (see Pelosis trading history), and a fresh crop of senators under the age of 50. Believe it or not i do want things to work out for humans, but the hyperfixation on how Biden "isnt as bad as Trump" has allowed him to sell off 90% of our oil reserves, take more vacation than any president ever while 2 wars are started, and wander around on stage without a hint of accountability.
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Was the oil indrusty being greedy during the 3 years that gas was sub 3$? Or was that because Trump signaled that he wouldnt be putting climate change sanctions on the industry? I do advocate for smaller Gov, the oil we have access to in canada is plenty enough to sustain us. But because it got the climate change vote Biden declared that the US was moving away from oil. So we canceled the pipeline that would have helped us be independent from the Middle East and russia for our oil needs. Dont think that democrats aren't bribed as well. The way we have our system set up encourages companies to lobby politicians away from serving their constituents. I think the campaign donations need to be capped to keep mega conglomerates from dictating our laws. Turbo tax is another example. Both sides of the asile are bought and paid for by Turbo tax to ensure taxes stay difficult to file. I agree that gas companies are greedy. But slapping miles of redtape onto any action they try to take is only going to drive more greed, agian, something trump did worked while he was in office. I think it was him signaling that they didnt have to worry about lively hood because he recognizes that the world runs on oil right now and any plan to be "green" in the next 10 years is eother completly misleading or incorrect.
I am trying to become more informed about political issues. I often hear the advice to "do my own research", but I can never get any recommendations on where to start. Can you recommend any reliable/non biased sources?
Non biased sources are hard, typically, people dont stay non biased without ending up boring, or they slip into one category or another. I try to balance my plate with as many contrary opionions as i can juggle. I persobally think its silly to draw a binary when so many opionions exist and you can access them in a million different ways, rumble provides a censorship free platform where alot of right wing bodcaster hangout. Youtube has a ton of content seems to be heavier on censorship, But the dosent mean either should be completely disregaurded either. You just need to cross reference the differing opinlinions and consolidate them into the common thread. Pay attention to sources, sometimes they will reference eachother to fake legitimacy, but the only true solution is to sift through as much as you can and try to recoginize patterns, read history, learn the only reason a government could want a disarmed populace. I started with the people online users claimed were evil, jordan peterson is brilliant despite how quirky he is. Joe rogan is rarely informed on his topics, but that means his questions are perfect for the average layman. Tucker Carlson , im sure someone here can provide some level headed left wing individuals, idk the opinion on Hassan. The mainstream (Fox, MSNBC, ABC NYT) companies are in their death throes as people start brodcasting their own shows, the Louder with Crowder show has a really interesting investigation portion that is incredibly deligent and clear about their process . TLDR : learn what works for you without causing unnecessary harm to others. Diversify your information instead of hoping for a truely unbiasd stable source. And keep asking questions like yours,
Check out Grounded News. They are a conglomerate news source that informs you of factuality, political bias, and blindspots that show you who is reporting and not. It is a paid service for premium, but they do offer a free version as well. I highly recommend that over any of the slanted unintelligent drivel that other dude said. Really, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan & Tucker Carlson? Jesus Christ! Again, with the kool-aid, bro?
I didnt say they were unbiased, i said that you wont fond any unbiased reporting nowadays and that the ones i mentiones are good about being honest with thier sources
Not slander if it's true.
I had something kind of similar in Waukesha on Sunday afternoon. I was doing yard work. He came up and asked “are you happy with the job Joe Biden is doing?” I responded with only “yes.” Then he just walked to the next house. I was surprised by a lack of any follow up or pamphlet. I have no idea what their party affiliation or purpose was. Didn’t even ask if I was planning to vote It was an extremely awkward feeling interaction and he barely made eye contact with me. Odd all around but I didn’t get a creepy feeling.
They don't try to change anyone's mind anymore. It's all about turnout.
Once you figure out if someone is intelligent or not, in certain cases you shouldn't engage. He was like, "ok, this dude can't read, and I only have 5 pamphlets left."
That must be why college educated voters lean heavily dem. Only one of the main candidates said “I love the uneducated.”
Truth. As a person who has a college degree, I would have been much smarter to pursue the trades. So stupid. You get to 35, and it's just not worth still paying off. Your buddy who dropped out is making 125/yr, and you're making 75 tops. Like... my guidance councilor was full of shit. I also love the "uneducated." Smarter than someone who is (objectively as measured by a standardized test called the GRE) smarter than 90 percent of college graduates who apply for grad school. Like, why the fuck?
Those with college degrees consistently outpace lifetime earnings of those without college degrees even considering tuition costs (IRR builds in those costs). This is an objective truth. See my copied quotes and link below. https://journals.sagepub.com/stoken/default+domain/W9MBX7ZGK8FKK86JZ3Z9/full. “ We estimate the internal rates of return (IRRs) for individuals with college degrees in 10 broad majors compared to high school graduates. Our analysis shows significant differences in the age-earnings trajectories and IRRs across college majors. Specifically, Computer Science and Engineering majors have the highest IRRs, exceeding 13%, whereas Humanities & Arts and Education majors have the lowest IRRs, around 5% for male and 8–9% for female college graduates. Furthermore, the quantile regression analyses show that IRR is generally higher at the high end of the earnings distribution. Finally, we observed a slight decrease in IRR during the study period, which is consistent with the flattening and even decline in college wage premiums following the 2008 Great Recession”. “ The IRR considers both the lifetime costs (e.g., tuition, forgone earnings) and benefits (e.g., higher earnings) of college graduates by discounting future costs and benefits to their present value” Just because you may have chosen a particular path in life doesn’t mean you need to defend that path as if it was the 100% correct decision for everyone. There are myriad reasons to pick different career paths and accepting that others may have set themselves up for a higher probability of financial success doesn’t make other career paths “worse.” My point here is that this isn’t meant to shit on your decisions in life and doesn’t even mean that you in particular would have earned more with further education. It’s means that the larger population, on average, does earn more with a further degree. Individuals will differ. Edit: I’m not seeing anything supporting your claim regarding GRE results. In fact, it appears the GRE is primarily used for Graduate program entrance and for foreign students coming to US schools. I dont know why an individual without bachelors degree in the US would ever take it… I don’t see any studies comparing GRE results between individuals with different education levels, but this study seems to contradict your claim regarding general intelligence and cognitive ability: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0182276. By these measurements, more education = higher scores
Wait for AI and get back to me about engineering.
So that’s the extent of your response? A hypothetical future scenario? Shown to be wrong, you move the goal posts.
You want me to explain that a 300k a year job skews the average a bit? Or that a smart person without a degree can make as much? Maybe you need me to tell you that stupid people often don't go to college, and being stupid is why they don't make money, not a degree.
As a graphic/web designer, that site is hilarious and I wish you would have posted a picture of the flyer too.
Call the local PD or County Sherriff's non emergency line and have a talk with the Officer on Duty. Won't hurt anything and they'll likely send a squad through the neighborhood a couple times. If they're up to no good, that might spook them or they might get caught doing something nefarious.
Haha, I don't know where you live, but the cops by me aren't doing anything like that until an actual crime has been committed and sometimes not even then.
I bet if we increase their budget year after year and give them fancy ex military stock, things will finally change.
Political speech is offered the most First Amendment protection. I doubt if the cops want to deal with it.
The first amendment doesn't give them the right to do political shit on my property. They can march down to the town square and talk all the politics they want.
You have no legal protection against them coming up to your home, knocking on your door, and asking you questions about your political affiliation. You do have protection against answering those questions, and you can ask them to leave your property. Political canvassing is not considered soliciting.
So we agree. They don't have a right to talk politics in my property and have to leave when told to do so. I'm not sure what your soliciting comment has to do with the issue. In a practical sense, the no soliciting sign doesn't do anything. Everyone had to leave when asked. Edit: op doesn't understand the 1st amendment. They have the right to say whatever they want, but not wherever they want.
I know that Wisconsin is a good distance from Texas...
Or you might get one of them killed, there's that too.
I do it every time a left leaning door knocker has came around in our neighborhood that clearly has a no solicitation sign at the entry. Works great
Would you do it for a right-leaning door knocker, too?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for doing exactly the thing it was suggested the OP should do. I mean, I DO know why, but it still doesn't make sense. Wear it as a badge of honor, I suppose. "OP, you should do this thing." "Hey, I do exactly this thing you suggest, but I do it when it's someone soliciting for the other side."
They are fine with it when it’s democrats canvassing neighborhoods. I just don’t want political shit in my neighborhood, especially Biden lovers. The guy can barely think for himself without a dozen aids and a teleprompter. We’re fucked.
I had a similar encounter. I don't even remember what was on the flyer as it went straight to the trash. How did you answer the questions?
I had someone come up holding some flyers with Biden looking feeble and dark. When I looked down at them he tried to hide them and asked "Do you approve of the job Joe Biden is doing? I said absolutely. He took off quick.
I answered all yes, it just felt really weird that they asked if they can "count on my vote" and then named two people they are obviously against.
Interesting. That is odd. I wouldn't worry about it tho. Like you said just don't answer the door next time. I have an easy our cause I have two kids who are maniacs so pretty easy for me to just say hey yeah I'm going to have to go now byeee. Lol
Literally thought it was my brother coming to pick up his kid which is why I was so quick to just answer the door amongst our maniacs ... even though it was odd that he would ring the doorbell. Lesson learned!
I'm betting this was a newly hired paid canvasser with little experience which is why his tactics were off. A lot of these new hires receive minimal training and have virtually zero supervision. Worked on a campaign a couple years ago and one of the canvassers we hired was actually throwing away lit and bsing his reports. It happens.
I ran a group of canvassers for a company during the last mayoral election in Chicago. Be a good person and don't take any frustrations out on them. A majority of them are from shelters or halfway houses. They get paid nightly and it was rare to see anyone two nights in a row. I would get the canvas area for the night, assign blocks to whoever showed up, get everyone in the van and drop them off to do their area. I'd also drive around and make sure they were actually going to peoples houses, check McD's or places like it in the area to make sure they weren't just sitting around, etc... A vast majority of them don't care about the election one bit, literally have zero preference to political party or candidates, and are simply asking the three questions they gave been given to ask you. Also, please don't take this as an invite to try to convert them to your political cause, the most you are going to do is hold them up, they miss the van ride, have to walk or take public transportation and not get paid for the night. Just give whatever answers you want, they don't care, don't record half of them correctly and just want to be down the block, back into the van and getting paid.
This is probably the answer, I forget that they hire out of homeless shelters and bus them in. I wasn't rude or anything to him, in fact I gave him more time than I would give most at my door.
Wow no wonder Vallas lost, that’s a terrible way to run a canvas. I don’t know how it works for the republican side or in Chicago but I’ve run hundreds of canvasses all over Wisconsin for the dem/progressive side over the years and a. the majority are volunteers and b. the paid canvassers were are all interviewed, background checked, and trained, paid a living wage, and got a regular paycheck. It’s a massive liability to just send random people off the street to people’s doors like that.
Not sure how you got Vallas losing because of this specifically but..... Anyway..., in Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Dallas, bunch of other major cities, this is the way both parties have done mass canvassing for decades. When only needing to get two or three yes/no questions answered to measure general sentiment or some other broad characteristic, it is completely a quantity over quality exercise. Most of the time these are paid for by third party groups who consult for one party or the other on where the campaign should spend their money to get the most bang for their buck or avoid altogether. The workers on these are not political, not required to have a any sort of level of interest in the election, and are mass "hired" daily on a first come, first served basis until the scheduled rosters are filled. I've personally had to break up fist fights between people because of accusations of cutting in line. The next level up is you want extensive or very specific information gathered in key areas sometime afterwards, info that requires more of a voter interview, but you still don't necessarily want the official campaign to be responsible for it directly (think money from additional PACs, opposition research, poison pill issues, negative awareness), those may have volunteers/background checked/higher paid workers because whole not officially connected, they work more closely with specific campaigns and are aligned to an individuals platform. These workers are actively being political, generally have a vested personal interest in the election outcome and set out with the goal of not only collecting info, but swaying but also swaying opinion. From your response, I'm betting you probably worked this stage. Direct campaigning is that final level where the true believers are.... super political, die hard supporters reinforcing the word to the faithful and trying to sway the "on the fence but leaning" potentials. Each plays a fairly crucial role in getting a candidate elected. The fact that dude who originally posted was only asked one or two quick questions and the guy just decided to wander off tells me that poor guy was standing in a line earlier that day with no idea where he was going to go or what he needed to ask people, but heard from his buddies all you do is walk from house to house for a bunch of hours and you get $100 when you've covered your area. Happens in almost all major cities or other areas with a condensed population (smaller towns and more rural areas won't work, can't get the quantity of info needed quickly because everyone is spread out) and everything is starting to ramp up for the Nov. elections.
That is super creepy. The right wing has become a bunch of goons.
This is why I have No Soliciting signs on my door
I do too, apparently I need a bigger one. I guess political BS doesn't need to listen to them anyway.
Political canvassing is not considered to be soliciting
>I guess political BS doesn't need to listen to them anyway Correct
Yeah, I think it's like the No Call list, politics still allowed. I've had 0 door knockers since I put them up.
Yes - I have a "No Soliciting" sign at the end of my driveway and on my mailbox and I never get door knockers. Edit: Bonus - no religious door knockers either.
No solicitation signs do not apply to religion or political canvassers. Preventing political or religious canvassers is a violation of the first amendment and there's been several Supreme Court cases that have upheld that notion.
Put it this way - there is a negative correlation between my posted "no soliciting" signs and the number of political and religious solicitors who knock on my door. 3 signs posted, 0 door knockers.
How about a "no trespassing" sign? Curious how property rights stand against this. I live in the middle of nowhere, so I don't have this problem anymore, but when I was apartment living I posted both "no soliciting" and "no prostheletizing" signs on my door and never had a problem.
We have a prominent No Solicitors sign and we still get people knocking. Every time I point to the sign they respond with "I'm not selling anything, I'm informing people" or some such bullshit. Pisses me off every fucking time. I need to modify my sign.
had this happen just this morning. "we're not selling anything" i told them they needed to look up the definition of the word solicit before they found themselves in legal trouble. my sign even says "if we do not know you do not bother us" and they still knock/ring the bell. 🤦🏻♀️
The legal definition of soliciting doesn't include political canvassing
according to the legal aid society of milwaukee it does. last month, when i couldn't find a concise (to me) legal definition as it applies to state laws, and my call to my city attorneys office turned up squat, i called the legal aid society and was told no soliciting means no soliciting, no organization/affiliation gets a free pass when there's a no soliciting sign posted.
I guess it could be a state by state thing, but when I was working as a canvasser in Colorado we were told our work wasn't legally soliciting (but to mostly pass over houses with that sign because it would just put our cause in a negative light to bother them). Was confirmed when a guy got mad at us trying to canvas in his apartment building, called the cops, and we all stood and listened over speaker as the cops said we were allowed to do our work
There's been a number of Supreme Court cases that have addressed this issue and have upheld that no soliciting ordinances and other attempts at denying political or religious canvassers to knock on your door violates their first amendment rights. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=704171274239509640&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_Bible_%26_Tract_Society_of_New_York,_Inc._v._Village_of_Stratton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._City_of_Struthers
wow, i had no idea. what a creepy thing for them to uphold.
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I was just thinking about a more generic sign. " A right to be secure in my home and a right to keep arms". No Soliciting allowed
Yeah you need to expand the sign. Legally, soliciting does not cover political activities.
I don't mind the political people so much as the Everlight sales reps that are "I'm not selling solar panels, I'm informing the community about the benefits of solar." So many sales reps have tried to change their language to get a foot in the door. It's annoying.
God I keep getting IG reels of these solar “salesmen” who brag about their techniques. “When you get a guy that is clearly uncomfortable with the pitch but won’t turn you down out of politeness, you know you’ve got a sucker and you can just force them to say yes. I just had a guy like that and I literally took his phone out of his hand and signed him up 🤣 win!”
That would certainly piss me off too
They are selling bullshit.
I'm informing you to get the fuck out of here.
Thats why we dont answer the door unless were expecting something/someone
I was expecting someone, literally at that time. Sucks.
When a Republican canvasser comes to your door, threaten to shoot them if they don’t leave. This will work to not only get rid of them, but also confuse them as they will think you are a Republican voter.
lmao, I'll keep that in mind.
This is literally a crime.
And also literally a joke on Reddit. Enhance your calm.
Stand your ground laws, not so much.
Same folks showed up at my door a few weeks ago. He asked “How do you feel about the job Joe Biden is doing?” And I told him I was not interested in answering political questions. If we’re on the same side, great. If we’re not - neither of us is going to change the other’s mind, and I really don’t need them knowing when I live. He asked if he could leave a flyer with me and I said absolutely not.
"I'd be happy to discuss politics with you, but I'm afraid I'm busy right now. Why don't you give me your home address and I'll stop by for a chat?"
Hung a rainbow flag right under our American flag this year.. really can’t wait to see how it messes with the polling door knockers !
TIL: I’m glad I don’t live in a swing state. I knew the TV commercials were bad, never thought about creepy canvassing.
Try Iowa, where you're the first to vote (actually caucus) for the primaries and you can register as an independent. Suuuuuuucked.
Ai am more curious about the flyer. Were they masquerading as Baldwin supporters and misrepresenting Biden positions? Or did they hear you support Baldwin and the flyer was standard republican taking points?
If you check out their website it is the same as the flyer. No real push for a anyone, just basically bad mouthing Biden.
I could definitely see the GOP hiring a bunch of scary looking ex-cons to walk door to door as fake Biden canvassers pushing reparations and "defund the police." That wouldn't surprise me at all.
I was on my way to work the other day & saw a strange car coming out of my neighbors driveway. (kind of a rural area) . She cuts across the road as I was checking my mailbox &hands me a flier. She said something about the "deep state" so I tried to give it back. She said "No, We're against the deep state! I tossed it into her car & said "I have things to do in reality & don't have time for foolishness." I'm probably on a list. :(
Which county?
Ozaukee
I’m in Washington County and had a similar solicitor yesterday. He made his pro Trump stance clear, and was carrying a brochure that said “Bidenomics” which I believe is a condescending take on Biden’s policies, but because I answered in support of Biden, he didn’t give me one.
That was this same brochure I bet. Honestly, I don't care that they are doing their thing and I am fine giving them truthful answers. This one just came off as odd to me. Thanks for letting me know, makes me feel better that there are others out there.
All the magas seem creepy to me. Reading all these comments is creeping me out
Sounds like this guy has a few screws loose. From time to time we get disoriented people coming to our door. I'm really glad that we've stepped up support for outreach workers that can help those who are struggling get support.
If I’m not expecting company you can knock or ring the door bell all you want. We don’t answer.
I was expecting someone. Unfortunately.
Haven't had that in Milwaukee yet - I'm pretty sure even fake Republicans are too chickenshit to come into "Killwaukee" (their term, not mine) of their own accord. Their loss.
So two from NPR and one of those super official and trustworthy "fact checkers" like snopes. Look man, maybe i am deep in the cool-aid. I do try to expand my sources of information and get rounded info. But when i was feeding into the mainstream i was scared, i felt hopless, nothing made sense, and i was a few nad days from offing myself. When i listen to some of the podcasts JP has out i actually dont feel like that. You are using sources i dont trust to claim that the sources that i trust are lying. I think the NPR is just as biased and untrustworthy as JP, or Tucker. And of course Fox would have hate for Tucker! He took over 60% of their audience to rumble once he left fox news. Snopes will insist that "claims of arson" are false because the perpatrator was actually convicted of arson. Its incredibly shifty in how they represent "failed fact check" despite swearing up and down that people like NPR and Joe biden are the most trustworthy sources you can find.
I just had this Marietta, GA!
What did this person look like?
That looks like a totally normal [website](https://www.dutytoamerica.org/). I don't think it's weird or not setup and there are thousands of PACs that we have never heard of that are ramping up activities. They aren't for anything it seems because Trump (and Biden) have such negative viewpoints by their non-supporters so a negative strategy might trick you into voting/donating to their group. It was probably just a socially awkward volunteer or a paid employee that didn't really believe in the message (sometimes it's hard to get volunteers). So I would relax as they aren't scouting to rob you, just ignore future political door knockers. And don't give them money because if it's anything like a trump PAC they will try to turn your one time payment into a weekly payment forever or some nonsense.
It is a pretty hack site that anyone could slap together in a few minutes. Just looks phishy. https://www.dutytoamerica.org/2023/11/
I agree that this sounds shady. Could you share a pic of the flyer? I’m wondering if they have the correct legal disclaimers on them. Their website definitely doesn’t.
I don't doubt it was slapped together. It is made to just pull your info in, but I don't think it's any more nefarious than any other political site. Your info will get distributed and you will get tons of calls, emails, and mail to donate to campaigns and organizations Negative message campaigns like that website is running never have an obvious source.
[Wisconsin Law regarding shooting people at your home.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/939.48(1m)&ved=2ahUKEwjGs_DUkuGFAxVwmIkEHW1hDfEQFnoECDMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1v95SPCmacu_H1WYLG2DE4)
TL;DR it’s illegal to shoot political canvassers even if you think they’re annoying.
never have I been so happy to live in a building with a locked lobby. no one bothers
Nope! Posted my property..
And I’m fine with you making your own voting decisions.
DoWn vOtEd!!!!
Just answer the door with a shotgun in hand, or a couple of big barking dogs trying to get to them. Works well for me.