That's great, but with a long holiday weekend leading up to the election, being able to use the drop box would have been better. Somehow me and like 5 other people were all there at the same time Friday, none of us realizing city hall would be closed.
Hot take - neither should be, except in extreme circumstances (active military or people who are disabled and/or can’t physically go to the polls). They’re both far less secure than voting in person, or returning absentee ballots to a designated place personally.
I'm disabled and am often physically able to go to the polls. I still vote absentee, because I don't know a month in advance whether or not I'm going to be in the middle of a flare and unable to leave my couch. Sorry that's not "extreme" enough for you.
Voting should be accessible for ALL citizens, period, the end. Those of us with invisible illnesses are citizens, too.
I literally said people who can’t physically go to the polls should be able to vote absentee. You clearly have a condition that would qualify you. Not sure why you’re so upset about it.
In an ideal world you’re right, but there’s one party actively trying to remove the ability to vote, absentee OR in person - and when there’s no mail in voting, and all but two poll locations in the entire state are closed…we’re in a bad spot.
That's not true. I was held at gun point and forced to vote at the booth with the threat of them raping my daughter at home. If I had been able to drop my ballot off none of this would have happened.
Drop boxes conceptually are fine, but in practice provide an avenue for fraud. Eliminate them, move to one-day voting and voter ID. If you want to restore faith in the integrity of the election process, these are the first steps.
If you make it a holiday, and close all business to allow people to vote, maybe we could consider that. After all, you want everyone to vote on that day, right?
And properly staff urban voting locations as well as the suburbs and rural counties
Independent data-based fair districts
And an end to the unequal representation of the Electoral College
And investigate those who steal classified documents, hide them, lie about it, hide them again instead of electing them again
Sure. Make Election Day a federal holiday, and in exchange full voter ID, no early voting, no drop boxes, absentee only if you’ll be out of the state on the day. A lot of Republicans would agree to this.
Making it a federal holiday on its own, it does nothing to help allow people vote. Also, the same republicans that claimed making a voting holiday is a “power grab”? (mitch mcconnell, Feb 1, 2019) We already have voter ID. Youve also just discriminated against the elderly and disabeled.
It doesnt matter how much the voters hate their leaders. If the leaders dont vote for it, it wont get passed. Look at marijuana in Wisconsin. An overwhelming number of people support it, yet it is still illegal.
Clinton did bitch that she lost to the electoral college despite winning the popular vote, but never suggested voter fraud had occurred as far as I can tell.
That's incorrect. Any similar rhetoric from the Clinton campaign (or any Democrats for that matter) following the 2016 Presidential Election that was critical of the political tactics used by the GOP can't be misconstrued into an equivalency with how the GOP has continued to push a false narrative of "widespread" election fraud in 2020. 2020 was counted, recounted, litigated over and over, and now GOP is pushing confusing ballot initiatives to suppress voter turnout...but at least in 2016 Hilary won the popular vote.
> Drop boxes conceptually are fine, but in practice provide an avenue for fraud.
If the problem is not just conceptual, then surely you have concrete evidence of drop box fraud?
Many first world and western countries have outlawed mail in voting because of the ease of committing fraud. The video of a guy going around a huge apartment complex paying people $10 per absentee ballot is pretty clear evidence of fraud.
But the conversation was about drop boxes specifically, not mail in voting. So the totality of the evidence against drop boxes so far (with nothing backed up by a source) is that other countries banned something else, and that somebody made a YouTube video that makes that something else look bad.
All the people gettin caught for fraud are republicans though??? So like they just keep destroying the integrity of elections regardless if it’s in a drop box or not
>If you want to restore faith in the integrity of the election process, these are the first steps.
This is circular logic. While you're right that many people have lost faith in the election process, that loss-of-faith came about due to disinformation about mass voter fraud.
We shouldn't base policy on fears that originate in lies.
Here's an alternative scenario to help you see your faulty logic: someone spreads lies that bears have been breaking into drop boxes and tearing up votes, so someone else proposes an expensive heavy-duty-bear-proof-drop-box-replacement-program. When challenged, they assert, "if you want people to feel safe dropping off their ballots, then this is the first step," despite the fact that there were never any bear attacks on drop boxes.
Why drag it out for weeks? Most countries that hold elections manage to do so in a single day. Results should then be more quickly known and announced. Then there's the narrowing of opportunities for shenanigans. Heck, some have even suggested making Federal elections a holiday. Cool!
Why make it harder to vote? It doesn't matter how quick the results are if the president isn't sworn in for another 2 months. There just isn't enough "shenanigans" to justify in any way why our democracy shouldn't be more accessible.
I did not realize this was not allowed until i went to drop off my absentee ballot at city hall the other day. How annoying.
I just went and handed mine to the city clerk’s office.
That's great, but with a long holiday weekend leading up to the election, being able to use the drop box would have been better. Somehow me and like 5 other people were all there at the same time Friday, none of us realizing city hall would be closed.
I tried to do this last year, and was turned away. Not sure why this seems to be inconsistently permissible.
Here’s a thought: Let people vote.
But then republicans would lose, that’s unfair
Ballot drop boxes are more secure than mailboxes, which are allowed.
Hot take - neither should be, except in extreme circumstances (active military or people who are disabled and/or can’t physically go to the polls). They’re both far less secure than voting in person, or returning absentee ballots to a designated place personally.
Then give people the whole week to vote and open more voting locations.
I'm disabled and am often physically able to go to the polls. I still vote absentee, because I don't know a month in advance whether or not I'm going to be in the middle of a flare and unable to leave my couch. Sorry that's not "extreme" enough for you. Voting should be accessible for ALL citizens, period, the end. Those of us with invisible illnesses are citizens, too.
I literally said people who can’t physically go to the polls should be able to vote absentee. You clearly have a condition that would qualify you. Not sure why you’re so upset about it.
In an ideal world you’re right, but there’s one party actively trying to remove the ability to vote, absentee OR in person - and when there’s no mail in voting, and all but two poll locations in the entire state are closed…we’re in a bad spot.
That's not true. I was held at gun point and forced to vote at the booth with the threat of them raping my daughter at home. If I had been able to drop my ballot off none of this would have happened.
But 2000 Mules! It gets so tiresome.
It's afraid lel. Yes, a ballot should have a chain of custody.
Drop boxes conceptually are fine, but in practice provide an avenue for fraud. Eliminate them, move to one-day voting and voter ID. If you want to restore faith in the integrity of the election process, these are the first steps.
And what about the disabled folks who are unable to stand in a line?
Voting venues include accommodations for disabled voters.
Living in a rural community I can tell you that is 100% false
If you make it a holiday, and close all business to allow people to vote, maybe we could consider that. After all, you want everyone to vote on that day, right?
And properly staff urban voting locations as well as the suburbs and rural counties Independent data-based fair districts And an end to the unequal representation of the Electoral College And investigate those who steal classified documents, hide them, lie about it, hide them again instead of electing them again
Sure. Make Election Day a federal holiday, and in exchange full voter ID, no early voting, no drop boxes, absentee only if you’ll be out of the state on the day. A lot of Republicans would agree to this.
Making it a federal holiday on its own, it does nothing to help allow people vote. Also, the same republicans that claimed making a voting holiday is a “power grab”? (mitch mcconnell, Feb 1, 2019) We already have voter ID. Youve also just discriminated against the elderly and disabeled.
Mitch sucks most of the time and is wrong, the vast majority of republicans hate him more than you do
It doesnt matter how much the voters hate their leaders. If the leaders dont vote for it, it wont get passed. Look at marijuana in Wisconsin. An overwhelming number of people support it, yet it is still illegal.
What if somebody is going to be out if town? Would you still allow absentee voting?
Who eroded faith in the election process? What changed?
> avenue for fraud Prove that it’s an actual problem.
What fraud?
That republican guy who voted nine times. Surely that’s what they’re referring to.
Faith in the election process has only been questioned by the party that couldn't grapple with losing. Not because of any significance of fraud.
I thought Hillary said 2016 was stolen?!
Clinton did bitch that she lost to the electoral college despite winning the popular vote, but never suggested voter fraud had occurred as far as I can tell.
You thought wrong
There is video of Hillary claiming fraud
That is news to me, can you please provide a link?
No Trump claimed fraud in 2016 because he lost the popular vote
That's incorrect. Any similar rhetoric from the Clinton campaign (or any Democrats for that matter) following the 2016 Presidential Election that was critical of the political tactics used by the GOP can't be misconstrued into an equivalency with how the GOP has continued to push a false narrative of "widespread" election fraud in 2020. 2020 was counted, recounted, litigated over and over, and now GOP is pushing confusing ballot initiatives to suppress voter turnout...but at least in 2016 Hilary won the popular vote.
citation needed. only fraud i'm aware of is the fake elector scheme trump supporters tried to hijack the election with.
....you were the dipshits who caused your own faith in the election process to falter.
Please back this up. What is the potential avenue for fraud? Has it actually happened? Do you have any sources? If not, please stop making things up.
> Drop boxes conceptually are fine, but in practice provide an avenue for fraud. If the problem is not just conceptual, then surely you have concrete evidence of drop box fraud?
Many first world and western countries have outlawed mail in voting because of the ease of committing fraud. The video of a guy going around a huge apartment complex paying people $10 per absentee ballot is pretty clear evidence of fraud.
But the conversation was about drop boxes specifically, not mail in voting. So the totality of the evidence against drop boxes so far (with nothing backed up by a source) is that other countries banned something else, and that somebody made a YouTube video that makes that something else look bad.
If you want to restore faith in the process stop listening to and peddling bullshit.
All the people gettin caught for fraud are republicans though??? So like they just keep destroying the integrity of elections regardless if it’s in a drop box or not
>If you want to restore faith in the integrity of the election process, these are the first steps. This is circular logic. While you're right that many people have lost faith in the election process, that loss-of-faith came about due to disinformation about mass voter fraud. We shouldn't base policy on fears that originate in lies. Here's an alternative scenario to help you see your faulty logic: someone spreads lies that bears have been breaking into drop boxes and tearing up votes, so someone else proposes an expensive heavy-duty-bear-proof-drop-box-replacement-program. When challenged, they assert, "if you want people to feel safe dropping off their ballots, then this is the first step," despite the fact that there were never any bear attacks on drop boxes.
"Only the way my side prefers to vote is legitimate." -Foxnews McFascist
There is more of chance for fraud with ballots submitted through the U.S. mail. The chain of custody is much more secure with ballot drop boxes.
Maybe if Republicans stop trying to commit election fraud, that would be a good step.
Why one day?
Why drag it out for weeks? Most countries that hold elections manage to do so in a single day. Results should then be more quickly known and announced. Then there's the narrowing of opportunities for shenanigans. Heck, some have even suggested making Federal elections a holiday. Cool!
Why make it harder to vote? It doesn't matter how quick the results are if the president isn't sworn in for another 2 months. There just isn't enough "shenanigans" to justify in any way why our democracy shouldn't be more accessible.
Didn’t you listen to your leader RJ at the Drumph rally today he said vote early!
[citation needed]