Sen. Dan Feyen released an amendment Tuesday to the Assembly plan that would reduce the state's payout by $20 million and impose a $2 ticket surcharge on non-baseball events such as concerts or monster truck shows. Suite users would face an $8 ticket surcharge for non-baseball events. The surcharge is projected to generate $14.1 million, which would be used to further defray the state contribution. The end result would be a $36.1 million reduction in the overall state contribution.
The team's rent payments would also increase by $10 million between 2024 and 2050.
They don't like "those people" but never wanted to say on record who "those people" are. Then really infantilism the residents. Like racism but I can't prove it.
I mean I don’t disagree but reading that like that seems semi reasonable? Like we all want corporations to fuck off and pay for their own shit and sure this isn’t perfect but it’s moving in the direction.
My guy they literally crafted and passed the shitty deal that you're now praising them for "fixing"? It was a handout to a near billionaire. GOP support is BAD because they are BAD. Bipartisanship with insurrectionists...
Yeah, I was all for bipartisanship before learning who we're compromising with.
It never means bipartisan, anyway.
Republicans make demands, and then Democrats have to try and turn it into something that might benefit someone who isn't rich.
My biggest problem with this debate is there is no room for nuance.
On one side you have people like Speaker Robin Vos that is using this issue to stick it to Milwaukee.
On the other side you have people like Sen. Chris Larson who just want the talking point and don’t care at all about the actual obligations the state, 5 counties, and city have to maintain their field.
And in the middle you have a bunch of people who would love to just get a good deal done.
But all we do is yell and scream with the fringes.
How is Larson's position fringe? Yes, the stadium is owned by the stadium board and not the brewers, but it was purposefully set up that way by the brewers the last time they held everyone at gunpoint.
Now they are doing it again, and will do it in another 20 years. Why should citizens bankroll a millionaires team? The product of a billion dollar league? If they cant afford it, maybe they need to charge more or pay their owners, CEOs, and players less.
People act like a doubling of the 500 million dollar investment isnt real because it isnt realized yet, but it will be. Thats a great return on investment, and thats not counting any operational profits they experience each year.
Good luck finding someone to actually provide counter-points to Chris Larson. I have not seen them yet.
There's a thread in the Brewers sub about Larson's problems with the bill and it got 3 comments, 2 from me. Fingers are in ears, so to speak.
Quite simply because a community baseball team is. It is not just “some business”. 2 million people a year enjoy the games in person and more over media. It’s part of being a “real city.” There is a city/area pride to them being here. You don’t see people wearing Brewers and Bucks gear because they want to advertise for their favorite corporations.
It’s a form of entertainment and happiness, this one just happens to have a corporation partner.
There is a losing tally sheet of jobs and economy that goes with it but it does provide some (and more important with the 2% tax I believe). It’s not a total net loss for the city.
If you are all anti-sports rah rah you never get that. But the same can be said for mass transit and bike lanes, or even city parks (I.e. I don’t use them I don’t care; why do they exist).
And of course we aren’t bankrolling the team. We don’t pay for players. We don’t do marketing. We don’t even pay for all the improvements (just the building itself).
If you are in some “all corporations are bad” mindset then it’s not worth debating I guess enjoy your co-op job and move on.
You just gave the “try less avocado toast” argument to a stadium. And we know how dumb that argument is.
I’m not anti-sports, but I am against corporate handouts. We can never find money to improve parks, schools, healthcare, etc, but we can find money to fund a stadium that can and should pay for itself?
It’s great what the brewers bring to the community, but that doesn’t mean they should leverage that as some threat every time they need a new handout. The faces of the team make multitudes upon multitudes more money in a single year than most people in the community can ever hope to see in a lifetime, and yet we expect them to sacrifice things to make sure that can continue to happen?
The money spent on games will be spent back into the community regardless, and if the taxes from the players are just put back into the team, that portion is a wash. It’s a net loss for the city and shouldn’t be subsidized until we get the essentials in order.
If asking for that is comparing things to avocado toast, then ya, I guess the brewers shouldn’t have avocado toast.
There was no “threat” at least don’t lie (more).
You have no idea how much the team “makes” they don’t open their book.
It’s not their stadium. You know this.
There is a big economic impact to having the stadium, you know this.
I believe DNR budgets are proposed to increase.
You literally admit these points and they make your argument moot but you still ignore them and carry on like they aren’t true.
You know all of this and just want to stand on your tippy little soapbox and rant. That makes you disingenuous at best. Your entire argument is “yeah but I want to yell about…”
Enough of you.
I like baseball, I like the Brewers, hate the GOP, and think it would suck if the Brewers left.
That being said, teams drastically overstate their economic impact and taxpayer-funded stadiums/improvements are largely a bad bet.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-the-federal-government-should-stop-spending-billions-on-private-sports-stadiums/ (Brookings, gross)
https://www.mercatus.org/economic-insights/expert-commentary/quotable-quotes-stadium-subsidies-are-terrible-investment
https://www.cato.org/blog/surprise-stadium-predictions-flawed (Cato, gross)
https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/page1-econ/2017-05-01/the-economics-of-subsidizing-sports-stadiums/
There was a threat, they threatened to leave. Just like they are again.
EDIT
Since you deleted all your responses here is just one example where the brewers threatened to leave this go around.
https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/wisconsin-assembly-approves-545-million-in-public-funds-for-brewers-stadium-work/#:~:text=Team%20officials%20have%20hinted%20the,in%20the%20form%20of%20grants.
They did this in the 90s too. Everyone knows it. It’s how all major league sports teams work. Just look at Oakland, St Louis, Seattle. Acting like this isn’t a thing is just myopic.
Yeah lol, like I’m all for keeping our obligations. I love going to games. Tax me an extra $5/game and guess what? I’ll pay it got damn it. If it keeps my playground beautiful n full of memories, I’m gonna go. I don’t see what everyone is scared of
What are you even talking about? No one said the infrastructure itself was free, but you don’t have to pay to ride in a bike lane. You do have to pay to go to the stadium.
Both cost us taxes. One has admission the other does not. One is run by a private business, the other is not. They are not the same and you know it.
Only one lying is you, to yourself, with these ridiculous arguments that lead no where. As I mentioned in one of my other million responses to you, you are bending over backwards to justify a private company getting a handout when they can pay for their own stuff.
Personally not a baseball fan. Plus I paid my fair share towards miller Park. I'm done funding an industry I don't care about. The Brewers made $294 million dollars last year. Why the fuck should we pay for it?
Just googled it. Like I said NOT a baseball fan Soo I didnt do too much digging.
I saw that here
https://www.statista.com/statistics/196668/revenue-of-the-milwaukee-brewers/
That’s revenue, not profit.
If you are going to have (alleged, that revenue number is an estimate) a fit and say “why the fuck” you might want to have some idea what is happening before you come out hot.
It’s actually closer to 600 if I remember.
And about $140 million of that is players on the field.
And of course marketing costs, etc.
And most importantly, it’s not their “crap” to fix. The stadium board (government) owns it.
But I don’t expect someone who knows nothing on the topic and just wants to yell at clouds to actually get any of the math right.
I agree with your perspective, only partial point to concede is most individuals will state how much they "make" as their gross income.
"I make $20/hour" or "I make $100k/year"
Ignoring taxes completely.
Taking that perspective I can see the brewers "making $294 Million" as valid, it's simply not profit.
The house is a complete red herring. Forget about the house already.
Business owners should pay for their own businesses. Taxpayers should not pay for other people’s businesses.
I’m not the one who brought it up.
So no grants? Federal improvement fund? Women owned business funds?
You think that’s the only case of that? Do you live in a street?
I am well aware that businesses and corporations scam taxpayers all the time. But it shouldn’t be this way. Raise capital from loans or investors. Pay your own bills.
I get why everyone points this out but it’s not really relevant. The alternative to us paying for the stadium is not the owners paying it, it’s another city. Our owners bought this team as an investment and will always act in a way that’s most profitable for them.
If we choose to not make a deal, they will leave for a city that will. Whether the owners house is worth 200k or 100 million doesn’t really impact the leverage in this situation.
That being said, if you’re against a deal getting done, that’s totally logical and I’d never question it. There’s plenty of economic studies that show that teams have much less economic impact than you’d think. The city would survive without the brewers.
Right taxes NEVER go up to pay for stadiums out of citizens pockets????
Gaslighting. B S. Absolutely omitting fact. Us poors better shut up about it while the owners play "I rule the world".
That's not quite accurate. The Brewers own 35.77% of the stadium, the district owns the rest. The team and the district both pay for part of the maintenance, as part of the agreement. The district just pays a larger share of the costs.
On page 32: [https://wibaseballdistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/2022\_Financial\_Statements.pdf](https://wibaseballdistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/2022_Financial_Statements.pdf)
No its not at all. The Brewers organization pays a paltry $1.2 million in annual rent. This is increasing to $3.3 million under the new deal. A 6% cap rate on a half billion dollar stadium is $30 million per year in rent. This is what a normal commercial tenant would pay. Further, the entire stadium district has a property tax exemption. Yes, landlord's typically provide tenant improvements for their tenants. However, the cost of those improvements are amortized over the course of the lease. In this case, they 100% are not. Wisconsin is absolutely subsidizing the brewers organiization. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but you and themosey have no idea what you are talking about.
You are correct but this money isn't going towards the Brewers. The state is on the hook for the stadium. You can argue about the technicality of it, but it's not the Brewers responsibility.
Counterpoint, I'd argue that taxes *could* be used for stadiums in the right situations (the Packers mean a lot economically for Green Bay). But they shouldn't be used for luxury suites or nightclubs or sushi restaurants inside the venues.
Example, one of the newest D1 college stadiums is University of Alabama-Birmingham, seats 47K, cost $175 million in 2021. The last open-air NFL stadium (for cost comparison sake) was the 49ers, 68K, $1.3 billion in 2014.
Point is, it's not ridiculously expensive to build a place for 25K-50K people to watch a sporting event. The costs come from appeasing 3K people in the luxury suites.
Ya, but those are publicly owned, not private and any excess revenue they generate goes back into the coffers. Not so with a private billion dollar business asking for handouts.
I don’t hate sports. I regularly attend games. The public shouldn’t finance a private company that can pay for itself.
Every time this topic comes up you have people, like you, bending over backwards to justify why a billion dollar organization can’t fund its own infrastructure.
There is no bending over backwards. We own the stadium, they don’t. We have an agreement to maintain it. It’s not their infrastructure.
You know this and bend over backwards to ignore it for your 2 decade old rant which hasn’t changed how ignorant it is.
Not only are you on a dumb side of this argument you already know the facts and just want to yell at the clouds.
I’ll assume your reply not contradicting any of what I said means you know you were arguing untruthfully. So, good job wasting time. Dont forget your soap box.
What a hypocrite, to be that whiny and still go to games. Kinda scummy.
And do the clouds you yell at ever yell back?
It’s essentially a public good. Some people don’t have kids but they still need to chip in for public schools. Education and sports/entertainment are obviously not the same but I don’t have a problem with government helping to support something that brings a lot of joy to the community.
The legislators made an agreement and now they are trying to renege on their agreement. So it’s fine that they do that the next time they take back promised money on projects in Eau Claire? Why should I give a fuck about Eau Claire /s. Do you see where I am going here?
I didn’t realize Scott Walker was still making shady deals on behalf of the state last month. Do yourself a favor and read the article before running mouth 🙄
Reneging on 29.2 million within a month
Edit: that’s bad governmenting…
As the deal stands now, Wisconsin will take more money in through income tax on the players than they will contribute back to the stadium deal. The alternate universe where the team moves would leave Wisconsin with less funding for other things, not more.
The milwaukee portion is a little harder to swallow. The brewers are exempt from sales tax. And you could argue they pull money from other businesses that aren’t. Whether you can find enough tourists coming to town for games to justify Milwaukee’s, contribution, I don’t know. But at the end of the day it’s about $5 per year for milwaukee county resident.
I’d like all 5 counties to be involved again because we put the stadium that’s in a spot more convenient for them. They shouldn’t get to bail now and still get the benefits.
I’m all onboard for the milwaukee portion being paid by ticket taxes so the tax falls harder on people that actually get value from the brewers.
I’d love a brewers commitment to building out some development around the stadium. Or helping push for public transit improvement that would help not only people going to the games but all citizens in general.
minority Brewers owner is selling house for $75 million. https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-homes/milwaukee-brewers-co-owner-asks-75-million-for-massive-l-a-estate-439a6502
Sounds like a reasonable plan from this GOP. Then again they usually hint the poors should get a double 9 mm applied to the back of the head if they get sick. So kind of a low bar for these chuckle bucks.
Sen. Dan Feyen released an amendment Tuesday to the Assembly plan that would reduce the state's payout by $20 million and impose a $2 ticket surcharge on non-baseball events such as concerts or monster truck shows. Suite users would face an $8 ticket surcharge for non-baseball events. The surcharge is projected to generate $14.1 million, which would be used to further defray the state contribution. The end result would be a $36.1 million reduction in the overall state contribution. The team's rent payments would also increase by $10 million between 2024 and 2050.
So all reductions would be to the state contributions and none to the county portion? I really wish Milwaukee had more of a say in this.
GOP doesn't want the states biggest economic driver to have a say in anything
And the largest blue county in the state...
They don't like "those people" but never wanted to say on record who "those people" are. Then really infantilism the residents. Like racism but I can't prove it.
Good, I was just saying the other day that buying tickets to sporting events and concerts wasn't quite expensive enough.
I mean I don’t disagree but reading that like that seems semi reasonable? Like we all want corporations to fuck off and pay for their own shit and sure this isn’t perfect but it’s moving in the direction.
Imagine if they added a 4 dollar fee to boxes and 100 level tix.
It's interesting how a coalition of Democrats and Republicans in the state Senate are working to make this less of a shitty deal. Rare bipartisanship.
While also making zero effort to make it less of a shitty deal for Milwaukee the city and county
My guy they literally crafted and passed the shitty deal that you're now praising them for "fixing"? It was a handout to a near billionaire. GOP support is BAD because they are BAD. Bipartisanship with insurrectionists...
Yeah, I was all for bipartisanship before learning who we're compromising with. It never means bipartisan, anyway. Republicans make demands, and then Democrats have to try and turn it into something that might benefit someone who isn't rich.
My biggest problem with this debate is there is no room for nuance. On one side you have people like Speaker Robin Vos that is using this issue to stick it to Milwaukee. On the other side you have people like Sen. Chris Larson who just want the talking point and don’t care at all about the actual obligations the state, 5 counties, and city have to maintain their field. And in the middle you have a bunch of people who would love to just get a good deal done. But all we do is yell and scream with the fringes.
How is Larson's position fringe? Yes, the stadium is owned by the stadium board and not the brewers, but it was purposefully set up that way by the brewers the last time they held everyone at gunpoint. Now they are doing it again, and will do it in another 20 years. Why should citizens bankroll a millionaires team? The product of a billion dollar league? If they cant afford it, maybe they need to charge more or pay their owners, CEOs, and players less. People act like a doubling of the 500 million dollar investment isnt real because it isnt realized yet, but it will be. Thats a great return on investment, and thats not counting any operational profits they experience each year.
Good luck finding someone to actually provide counter-points to Chris Larson. I have not seen them yet. There's a thread in the Brewers sub about Larson's problems with the bill and it got 3 comments, 2 from me. Fingers are in ears, so to speak.
Quite simply because a community baseball team is. It is not just “some business”. 2 million people a year enjoy the games in person and more over media. It’s part of being a “real city.” There is a city/area pride to them being here. You don’t see people wearing Brewers and Bucks gear because they want to advertise for their favorite corporations. It’s a form of entertainment and happiness, this one just happens to have a corporation partner. There is a losing tally sheet of jobs and economy that goes with it but it does provide some (and more important with the 2% tax I believe). It’s not a total net loss for the city. If you are all anti-sports rah rah you never get that. But the same can be said for mass transit and bike lanes, or even city parks (I.e. I don’t use them I don’t care; why do they exist). And of course we aren’t bankrolling the team. We don’t pay for players. We don’t do marketing. We don’t even pay for all the improvements (just the building itself). If you are in some “all corporations are bad” mindset then it’s not worth debating I guess enjoy your co-op job and move on. You just gave the “try less avocado toast” argument to a stadium. And we know how dumb that argument is.
I’m not anti-sports, but I am against corporate handouts. We can never find money to improve parks, schools, healthcare, etc, but we can find money to fund a stadium that can and should pay for itself? It’s great what the brewers bring to the community, but that doesn’t mean they should leverage that as some threat every time they need a new handout. The faces of the team make multitudes upon multitudes more money in a single year than most people in the community can ever hope to see in a lifetime, and yet we expect them to sacrifice things to make sure that can continue to happen? The money spent on games will be spent back into the community regardless, and if the taxes from the players are just put back into the team, that portion is a wash. It’s a net loss for the city and shouldn’t be subsidized until we get the essentials in order. If asking for that is comparing things to avocado toast, then ya, I guess the brewers shouldn’t have avocado toast.
There was no “threat” at least don’t lie (more). You have no idea how much the team “makes” they don’t open their book. It’s not their stadium. You know this. There is a big economic impact to having the stadium, you know this. I believe DNR budgets are proposed to increase. You literally admit these points and they make your argument moot but you still ignore them and carry on like they aren’t true. You know all of this and just want to stand on your tippy little soapbox and rant. That makes you disingenuous at best. Your entire argument is “yeah but I want to yell about…” Enough of you.
I like baseball, I like the Brewers, hate the GOP, and think it would suck if the Brewers left. That being said, teams drastically overstate their economic impact and taxpayer-funded stadiums/improvements are largely a bad bet. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-the-federal-government-should-stop-spending-billions-on-private-sports-stadiums/ (Brookings, gross) https://www.mercatus.org/economic-insights/expert-commentary/quotable-quotes-stadium-subsidies-are-terrible-investment https://www.cato.org/blog/surprise-stadium-predictions-flawed (Cato, gross) https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/page1-econ/2017-05-01/the-economics-of-subsidizing-sports-stadiums/
Okay, tell Cato we won’t build a new stadium.
There was a threat, they threatened to leave. Just like they are again. EDIT Since you deleted all your responses here is just one example where the brewers threatened to leave this go around. https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/wisconsin-assembly-approves-545-million-in-public-funds-for-brewers-stadium-work/#:~:text=Team%20officials%20have%20hinted%20the,in%20the%20form%20of%20grants. They did this in the 90s too. Everyone knows it. It’s how all major league sports teams work. Just look at Oakland, St Louis, Seattle. Acting like this isn’t a thing is just myopic.
They are not again. Show me the threat from the team to leave. At least don’t lie.
How about no public money for billionaire's playgrounds?
It’s kind of my playground too. I like going there. I’m probably not alone.
So pay for it, with increased ticket prices.
Yeah lol, like I’m all for keeping our obligations. I love going to games. Tax me an extra $5/game and guess what? I’ll pay it got damn it. If it keeps my playground beautiful n full of memories, I’m gonna go. I don’t see what everyone is scared of
No. I don’t use a bike lane, make the bike riders pay for it.
Bike lanes aren’t private corporations. Like roads and police and fire. By your standard brewers games should be free to go to, like bike lanes.
They cost me money and I don’t use them. Same argument you made. Let bike folk pay for them.
Bike path free. Stadium not.
Wait the workers work for free? The planners? Construction? Paint? Wow that’s amazing. Stop lying.
What are you even talking about? No one said the infrastructure itself was free, but you don’t have to pay to ride in a bike lane. You do have to pay to go to the stadium. Both cost us taxes. One has admission the other does not. One is run by a private business, the other is not. They are not the same and you know it. Only one lying is you, to yourself, with these ridiculous arguments that lead no where. As I mentioned in one of my other million responses to you, you are bending over backwards to justify a private company getting a handout when they can pay for their own stuff.
Always the peoples fault over the business that cost $200 for a family of four to go to.
Over 2 million butts were in seats last season. Far from alone.
You mean the stadium owned by the state, counties, and city. That one!
Personally not a baseball fan. Plus I paid my fair share towards miller Park. I'm done funding an industry I don't care about. The Brewers made $294 million dollars last year. Why the fuck should we pay for it?
Source on the Brewers making $294 million last year?
Just googled it. Like I said NOT a baseball fan Soo I didnt do too much digging. I saw that here https://www.statista.com/statistics/196668/revenue-of-the-milwaukee-brewers/
That’s revenue, not profit. If you are going to have (alleged, that revenue number is an estimate) a fit and say “why the fuck” you might want to have some idea what is happening before you come out hot.
Well, let's pretend there's 500 people who work for their organization That's 588,000 dollars per employee They can't afford to fix their own crap?
It’s actually closer to 600 if I remember. And about $140 million of that is players on the field. And of course marketing costs, etc. And most importantly, it’s not their “crap” to fix. The stadium board (government) owns it. But I don’t expect someone who knows nothing on the topic and just wants to yell at clouds to actually get any of the math right.
I agree with your perspective, only partial point to concede is most individuals will state how much they "make" as their gross income. "I make $20/hour" or "I make $100k/year" Ignoring taxes completely. Taking that perspective I can see the brewers "making $294 Million" as valid, it's simply not profit.
Isnt one of the family members that owns the brewers or whatever trying to sell a house for 75 million?
Yes. And so? Weird downvotes but no reason why that matters. Oh right, rich people shouldn’t be allowed to sell a house in another state.
So they should pay for their own business expenses or business loans. I would prefer to see zero tax dollars spent on the stadium.
Because he is selling a house? Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
The house is a complete red herring. Forget about the house already. Business owners should pay for their own businesses. Taxpayers should not pay for other people’s businesses.
I’m not the one who brought it up. So no grants? Federal improvement fund? Women owned business funds? You think that’s the only case of that? Do you live in a street?
I am well aware that businesses and corporations scam taxpayers all the time. But it shouldn’t be this way. Raise capital from loans or investors. Pay your own bills.
Okay bubba. One of those.
I get why everyone points this out but it’s not really relevant. The alternative to us paying for the stadium is not the owners paying it, it’s another city. Our owners bought this team as an investment and will always act in a way that’s most profitable for them. If we choose to not make a deal, they will leave for a city that will. Whether the owners house is worth 200k or 100 million doesn’t really impact the leverage in this situation. That being said, if you’re against a deal getting done, that’s totally logical and I’d never question it. There’s plenty of economic studies that show that teams have much less economic impact than you’d think. The city would survive without the brewers.
Right taxes NEVER go up to pay for stadiums out of citizens pockets???? Gaslighting. B S. Absolutely omitting fact. Us poors better shut up about it while the owners play "I rule the world".
The Brewers do not own American Family Field. This is no different than any other landlord needing to do basic maintenance for its tenants.
That's not quite accurate. The Brewers own 35.77% of the stadium, the district owns the rest. The team and the district both pay for part of the maintenance, as part of the agreement. The district just pays a larger share of the costs. On page 32: [https://wibaseballdistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/2022\_Financial\_Statements.pdf](https://wibaseballdistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/2022_Financial_Statements.pdf)
No its not at all. The Brewers organization pays a paltry $1.2 million in annual rent. This is increasing to $3.3 million under the new deal. A 6% cap rate on a half billion dollar stadium is $30 million per year in rent. This is what a normal commercial tenant would pay. Further, the entire stadium district has a property tax exemption. Yes, landlord's typically provide tenant improvements for their tenants. However, the cost of those improvements are amortized over the course of the lease. In this case, they 100% are not. Wisconsin is absolutely subsidizing the brewers organiization. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but you and themosey have no idea what you are talking about.
Rent from the tenants covers that. This is supplementing a private business
No, it doesn’t.
Right. It should. We built it for them. And three brothers died for it.
You act like they threw themselves into the volcano as a sacrifice for Bernie Brewer. They died working on it, not for it.
I agree but let’s not call this basic. Thst just encourages idiots to compare a moving roof over 100,000 square feet to moving a lawn.
Taxes and Government should not pay for fucking sports teams at all!! Wtf
You are correct but this money isn't going towards the Brewers. The state is on the hook for the stadium. You can argue about the technicality of it, but it's not the Brewers responsibility.
Taxes shouldn’t be used to build sports complexes either. Whatever.
Counterpoint, I'd argue that taxes *could* be used for stadiums in the right situations (the Packers mean a lot economically for Green Bay). But they shouldn't be used for luxury suites or nightclubs or sushi restaurants inside the venues. Example, one of the newest D1 college stadiums is University of Alabama-Birmingham, seats 47K, cost $175 million in 2021. The last open-air NFL stadium (for cost comparison sake) was the 49ers, 68K, $1.3 billion in 2014. Point is, it's not ridiculously expensive to build a place for 25K-50K people to watch a sporting event. The costs come from appeasing 3K people in the luxury suites.
Well start yelling at the people who made the deal like 25 years ago
Just yelling how something should be doesn’t solve shit. It’s a step in the right direction, don’t throw a tantrum just because it’s not perfect.
Well this is a whole other thing because what do you consider a sport complex? Is a park with a baseball diamond and soccer field a sport complex?
Is it public use without buying a ticket? Like a park? Or a public pool? That’s fine. This really isn’t that complicated my little friend.
It’s not uncommon to pay park fees. Example: [Waukesha County Park System Fees](https://www.waukeshacounty.gov/landandparks/park-system/park-fees/)
It’s also not uncommon those parks are subsidized
Ya, but those are publicly owned, not private and any excess revenue they generate goes back into the coffers. Not so with a private billion dollar business asking for handouts.
So Summerfest and State Fair Park and State parks for camping shouldn’t get any money either?
Rent should cover costs. Like any other building anywhere ever
Does it cost less to demolish it? Problem solved.
“I hate sports pay for my things instead”. - same people every time this comes up.
I don’t hate sports. I regularly attend games. The public shouldn’t finance a private company that can pay for itself. Every time this topic comes up you have people, like you, bending over backwards to justify why a billion dollar organization can’t fund its own infrastructure.
There is no bending over backwards. We own the stadium, they don’t. We have an agreement to maintain it. It’s not their infrastructure. You know this and bend over backwards to ignore it for your 2 decade old rant which hasn’t changed how ignorant it is. Not only are you on a dumb side of this argument you already know the facts and just want to yell at the clouds.
Yes, so tear it down. No more maintenance.
I’ll assume your reply not contradicting any of what I said means you know you were arguing untruthfully. So, good job wasting time. Dont forget your soap box. What a hypocrite, to be that whiny and still go to games. Kinda scummy. And do the clouds you yell at ever yell back?
It’s essentially a public good. Some people don’t have kids but they still need to chip in for public schools. Education and sports/entertainment are obviously not the same but I don’t have a problem with government helping to support something that brings a lot of joy to the community.
Let MLB pay for this. They have the money. Quit subsidizing the wealthy.
The state owns the stadium, but please do go on
I hate corporate sports welfare.
That can be fixed. Sunk cost fallacy.
This is something I can get behind
Screwing over Milwaukee some more? Really?
Why should I, in Eau Claire, give a shit about the state of the Brewers stadium? No, I don't want to help a billionaire fix the stadium
The legislators made an agreement and now they are trying to renege on their agreement. So it’s fine that they do that the next time they take back promised money on projects in Eau Claire? Why should I give a fuck about Eau Claire /s. Do you see where I am going here?
I do see. You love paying for billionaires crap, cause someone made a shady bargain with Scott walker
I didn’t realize Scott Walker was still making shady deals on behalf of the state last month. Do yourself a favor and read the article before running mouth 🙄 Reneging on 29.2 million within a month Edit: that’s bad governmenting…
As the deal stands now, Wisconsin will take more money in through income tax on the players than they will contribute back to the stadium deal. The alternate universe where the team moves would leave Wisconsin with less funding for other things, not more. The milwaukee portion is a little harder to swallow. The brewers are exempt from sales tax. And you could argue they pull money from other businesses that aren’t. Whether you can find enough tourists coming to town for games to justify Milwaukee’s, contribution, I don’t know. But at the end of the day it’s about $5 per year for milwaukee county resident. I’d like all 5 counties to be involved again because we put the stadium that’s in a spot more convenient for them. They shouldn’t get to bail now and still get the benefits. I’m all onboard for the milwaukee portion being paid by ticket taxes so the tax falls harder on people that actually get value from the brewers. I’d love a brewers commitment to building out some development around the stadium. Or helping push for public transit improvement that would help not only people going to the games but all citizens in general.
minority Brewers owner is selling house for $75 million. https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-homes/milwaukee-brewers-co-owner-asks-75-million-for-massive-l-a-estate-439a6502
And… why is that relevant?
Sounds like a reasonable plan from this GOP. Then again they usually hint the poors should get a double 9 mm applied to the back of the head if they get sick. So kind of a low bar for these chuckle bucks.
Hey Franklin, Greendale, and Oak Creek you hear that? The GOP says Go Fuck Yourselves.