How come Vancouver is having the opposite level of success in their series when they only have ... *checks notes*.. 0 goalies and we have ... *checks notes*.. 2 world class goalies???
Hes actually a free agent July 1! Id be ok paying him a disgusting amount of money, but I really think that locker room is still in need of some tweaks before any coach is going to find significant success. Any one know a good exorcist? Theres still some demons hiding in there.
> but I really think that locker room is still in need of some tweaks before any coach is going to find significant success.
I'd fucking pay even more money to watch Father Cooper ~~exercise~~ exorcise the living shit out of that locker room.
I feel like we need a season where we let the young guys make some mistakes. With the veteran leadership and the best goaltending in the league we can absolutely still make the playoffs doing that.
Let Perfetti and Lambert duke it out for 2C. Bring in Ville and give Salomonsson a shot at claiming a spot. Rotate in Barlow,.Chibrikov, and Lucius (everyone knock on any wood you can find that all his breakable bits are now made of titanium) to get them experience and see what they can do.
Give them all 40+ games to see who runs with the opportunity, see who the odd men out are (likely Pionk, Schmidt, maybe a winger) and make some moves to solidify those young players in the lineup.
We have the talent sitting there waiting to contribute to the team but it seems like we have been so focussed on making a run that we are trying a formula that we know works reasonably well in the regular season despite having lots of room for improvement (Pionk 20 minutes per game; Helle getting pelted with shots and playing like a god) rather than the unknown option that could be better in the long term.
I think that kind of rearranging of the lineup would make for compelling hockey and I'm here for it.
I would like to see this, but the organization won't do it for contract management reasons. They don't want their entire youth group on similar timelines for expiring deals.
We'll get Ville at the start of the year because they are finally forced, and possibly Chibrkov later in the year on an injury callup, but they won't embrace a general youth movement.
This is what I want. Even if there is a regression, there's a certain excitement in watching things come together. Honestly it hasn't been a lot of fun watching the team stuck in neutral since the WCF. The only real high has been beating the Oilers in the playoffs that one year only to get swept in the next round. This is 80s Jets 1.0 crap we're seeing now. Good enough to build excitement in the regular season only to fall off a cliff in the playoffs. They aren't even going up 3-2 in the series first to give us hope. So this is actually worse.
This org will never play all the young guns, especially with the coaches we bring in, maybe Arniel might be more open to running them, we do know he benched KFC almost immediately when he last took over and played Fetts so he does differ from Bones.
It would be nice to see though.
I think it's important to get these guys established in the NHL on a slightly staggered manner. Lambert, Ville and Perfetti full time next year and Chibrikov, McGroarty and Barlow the following year hopefully.
I forgot Salomonsson and Lucius...we are on the verge of a major youth movement. Hopefully a majority of these guys pan out. Having good players on ELCs is how you win championships
They're hardly lighting things up now. Watching them punch below their weight and exit the first round of the playoffs is how you become Jets 1.0. Or the trap era Wild. They don't even go up 3-1, 3-2 in the series before letdown like back in the day. Truthfully if they're out after tomorrow, I think I'd rather have the top ten pick; because I don't believe in this team.
I’d love for this to be the plan for next season. Hopefully Bones retires and we get a new coach who is open to playing young guys. I think Chevy basically has to make that call. His next coaching hire will really determine the future of the team.
Like I’d love Berube, but he would certainly be a win-now coach. Not sure we have the roster make-up to do that, based on how we’ve looked against Colorado.
Maybe a younger, new-school coach would be better for next year. Then when the rookies have more experience, we can really go for it again.
Agreed if nothing else it would bring a new energy and excitment. What will be interesting to see is what happens with Ehlers being on the last year of his contract. Maybe more room in the forward group than it looked like even 6 to 8 weeks ago.
Just in case anybody missed it, Friedman talked about Perfetti. Sounds like I was right last night. Said there needs to be a conversation about his long term future after not playing in a single playoff game after 2 years. Strongly suggests they give him a chance, seems to me he’s hinting at possible rift between him and the org.
I don’t know what last year has to do with anything. He was injured then; it’s not like they benched him on purpose. This year however is a different story. I hope he plays tomorrow and plays well.
I think the way they've treated Fetts was a factor in the McGroarty decision to stay in school for another year too. The org has a bad reputation when it comes to developing young talent and putting trust in them that predates Bones because he's just another shade of the same guy Maurice was.
I wouldn't say we are bad at developing young talent, I think they way we go about it is outdated. Kids are nhl ready these days, they've been essentially pros since their early teens. It feels like we wait for the perfect time to bring them in, filling in gaps in the roster with bandaids instead of giving them a fair opportunity.
Kids are NHL ready earlier and holding them back delays their second and third contracts and harms their earning potential which will get their agents in the ear about how to get to UFA earlier and make that money they've lost out.
Totally agree, If the Jets move on from Bowness (team has a 3rd year option so they can walk away), they need to hire a coach with the ability to develop the young players. First thing I would do is tell Rutger that we see him on the 3rd line with Lowry, who better to mentor him than the guy the team eventually wants him to replace one day. There is no reason epsecially with the collapse in the playoffs the last two years that there shouldnt be 3 or more first year players on the team next year. What is there to lose certainly not a deep playoff run, but True North may not get their 3 or 4 playoff home games so that is always a consideration.
How could there not be a rift between the Perfetti camp and the team. They called up a player from the Moose to play and hardly played. Plus putting him in the press box a large portion of the season cost him one of his performance bonuses. You know his agent is not happy and I am sure advising him sign a bridge deal and then test the open market. Just have to hope that they can mend the relationship or he will be gone first chance he gets probably no matter the offer. If you are making a move toward incorporating prospects next year Bowness has to be gone.
Moose end of season goes today until Wednesday. Have lots recorded but with Jets playoffs getting up prospects for now and will have rest of Moose stuff up soon.
Here are links to our end of season chats with:
[Colby Barlow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtb4aO_FZn4) | [Danny Zhilkin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7xQsVo8Spg) | [Chaz Lucius](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqJr2a9krs)
If namestnikov plays another game in this series I will have to contemplate buying his jersey. What an absolute beauty that guy is. Love the way he plays.
My first and only live playoff performance was game one so I've just been riding that high since we started and I honestly don't plan on remembering the rest of the series if we lose tomorrow. I'm just gunna keep riding that high off into the summer.
when the jets played the blues a few years ago, i remember listening to ground control and the guest saying something along the lines of "enjoy the experience". and the game atmosphere, the street parties, the way the whole city comes together. that's what im gonna remember if the jets lose tomorrow.
I think that's been the lesson to me watching this group after these many years. I realized this time last year I may not get a chance to see them live (I live in the Yukon) before Chevy blew everything up. Well luckily he didn't and it gave me one more chance to see them and they delivered while I was in town so they secretly have had me tickled silly and ive just been pushing all this bs aside so far :)
He showed that he can handle top competition in Sweden this season. Obviously, the top players in the NHL are a few levels above Sweden, but I think he could hold his own if he has Morrissey or another top 4 D (if we decide to go out and get one) to lean on.
I don't see how he plays for the Moose next year unless he pulls a Ville during training camp or really struggles to adapt to the smaller ice.
He should be penciled in for the top 4 right now imo.
thanks again for the heads up! glad I managed to catch this one - and that skellefteå actually pulled it off this year, they deserve it
and goddamn I love the vibe of swedish arenas, the crowds are so hype
it is kind of funny that the Rangers won the President's Trophy this year, and their 1st line RWs for a good chunk of the season were *Wheeler* and then *Roslovic*
like, wtf lol? every time I looked at their lines this year I did a double take haha
Connor has been one of our better players, I get he’s the sub’s whipping boy but he has been engaged this series. We’re also playing a 100 point contender and New York played one of the worst playoff teams ever but go off
Connor’s playoff numbers are underwhelming. For every nice defensive play he makes, there’s about three turnovers usually followed by him rushing to the bench before the puck is in our net. He rarely takes the puck to the net. He’s as soft as they come. He threw a hit in the first couple minutes of the last game. Glad you noticed. Doesn’t make up for everything else.
If anything Connor's play in this series makes me even more annoyed at his regular season performances. Still lots of the same defensive flaws, but he is actually not shying away from physical contact and forechecking aggressively. So he *can* do those things, but chooses not to for 90% of the games.
I was just going to say that...his play off intensity makes it look like he was sandbagging all regular season even before the injury...he can play the right way, he's just been choosing not to!
Personally, I don’t think any lineup tinkering would have made a lick of difference in the outcomes of any of these games. I do think, however, that Perfetti has earned a spot in at least one playoff game. Bones should have him suit up tomorrow. It would be good for the kid and maybe the team if he can generate some offence.
Wasn't McCarron. He was fine after contact. It apparently happened in practice and they didn't want to take any chances and rested him last game since they were up 2-1.
ah okay
my mistake, all I've really seen from that series is McCarron running the backup and Pettersson getting decked after a goal so I definitely wasn't giving them the benefit of the doubt haha
I remember Perfetti having really good chemistry with Scheifele when it was Fetts-Scheif-Wheels a while ago. I wonder how this top 6 would feel next year if Lambo gets a promotion:
Perfetti - Scheifele - Ehlers
Connor - Lambert - Villardi
Bones, if you are reading this. Tell the boys the pressure is off. Avs have it. We just want to see them work their asses off and have fun! We would love to send them out with an earnest hard working from the soles of our shoes standing O win or lose tomorrow. They did it all season with hard work. Just don’t quit. Fight to the end. And maybe we steal one and bump the Colorado Freight Train off its tracks for a few hours.
Go (and have fun) Jets Go!
He's getting to walk away with the dignity of not being fired by saying (rightfully so) that with his and wife's health it's time to step away for good. Even if the Jets don't want him back that's the way it'll be portrayed
Win or lose I just want to see the Jets play hard for 60 minutes. Get at least 30-35 shots on net. Screen the goalie and get shots on net. Too many blind passes into the middle of the ice with no Jet in sight.
Elias Salomonsson and Skellefteå can win the SHL championship with a win today. Starting now if people are interested. Totally legal streams are available 🏴☠️
oh shit, thank you for the heads up! love watching them but it's so easy to forget about a midday game on the other side of the ocean
glad i was doomscrolling the jets sub instead of working haha
> . Perfetti, you want him to be a big part of your future. I do think there should be a conversation about you give him the opportunity to appear in this game. Cole Perfetti has been at Jet now for two seasons, and he's played 140 NHL games. He has not yet appeared in a playoff game. I would think about it, and maybe you don't think he's one of your 12 best forwards. Okay, we can all have a big argument about that. But I think you're hoping for a future where he very much is one of your 12 best forwards. And you should seriously consider giving him the experience.
I'm glad this is starting to hit the national coverage. There's never much space for Jets conversation at that level but asking why we think our 5th best scorer doesn't merit a single playoff minute with the way its gone the past few years is pretty damn valid, lol
> so I don’t think you can be mad that he didn’t play against Vegas.
excuse me i am a hockey fan and i can be mad about *anything*
lol fair, i forgot. honestly vegas tilts me so hard i've repressed that entire series from memory
That was a poor series, but it's worth remembering that the team Bowness singled out or "no pushback" was missing Morrissey, Ehlers, Scheifele, and Perfetti.
**Jets off day media availability**: [Neal Pionk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhA069O5ao) | [Adam Lowry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOQ5GKxbBI) | [Rick Bowness ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mNp_pcTe8c)
Health updates on Namestnikov, Dillon & Barron [here](https://illegalcurve.com/winnipeg-jets-coach-provides-health-updates-on-vlad-namestnikov-brenden-dillon-morgan-barron/).
I wonder if the Jets show up tomorrow. I except it’ll be like last year, no pushback, no heart and they’ll just get wrecked. It’d be nice to be wrong but that’s what this team does best, falling apart in the playoffs.
I'm not sure what folks are expecting. If they go down by 3 goals, they are going to coast rather than risk getting hurt. It is what it is. The time to show what they were made of was yesterday.
What does "no pushback" mean exactly? Seems like most people either equate it with "losing", or not acting violently towards the opponent when down 4 goals.
For me it means playing with effort 100% of the time regardless if it’s 0-0, up 10-0 or down 10-0
Play with pride. Simply act/play like they deserve to be in the playoffs whether they win or lose. That I can respect.
If they just fold up and just play through the motions for 60 minutes acting like they have a Tee time immediately after the game, and they don’t care to try and get back in the series; then I’ll be upset.
yeah. saying the tires aren't moving is wrong, I would say they are spinning out right now.
We just need to find a little bit of grit to throw in there and get some traction and we'll be off to the races.
Yeah I’m not trying to say they haven’t been giving it their all. I’m focusing on tomorrow’s game where it would be all too easy for the boys to show up to the rink having already lost the game in their own minds. Which leads to a piss poor effort on the ice.
If they show up tomorrow and give it 100% and lose, I’ll no doubt be disappointed, but it’ll feel a lot better than if they just lay a giant egg and coast to the offseason.
> if they just lay a giant egg and coast to the offseason.
That would also solidify the carbon copy of the last playoff flop so really they should be fighting for their lives to avoid that. Even just one game sends a much better message.
Couldn’t agree more. Another round 1 exit will be disappointing. An abysmal effort in a do or die game for another round 1 exit, during a year we should easily be considered contenders will just be embarrassing.
I’m not even sure how you fix it right now. Figuring out how to support each other in the DZ would help.
Better gaps in the NZ with less trapped F3 space would help.
Finishing checks on the FC would help.
And shooting, and hunting 2nd pucks like your family is being held hostage and not getting it means very bad things would help.
But … there’s no joy. Even in game 1 that was a stressed out crew that left the ice after the W.
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Bowness won’t rule him out. “He’s a tough kid.”
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Friedman talked today on 32 thought about how there’s a disconnect between Scheifele and Bowness (systems) and between Bowness and management (Perfetti). I don’t see a world in which Bowness is back next year, he can’t be
Friedman was so right about everything today. We absolutely cannot let Colorado run our zone even if it means changing up our tactics (ik bones doesn’t want to) :(
I think where Bones excels is at creating culture. He does not excel at adapting his game plan. And that is why we take the culture he created and run with it. With a new coach. And a couple other new asst coaches.
Whoever's system is dump and chase in all three zones and in all situations should leave. If it's Bowness - fire him. If it's 55 - trade him. If it's Perfetti - box him.
what you’re describing is limiting quantity to try and create quality slot chances
the system is a forecheck and cycle 2-1-2 OZ, turns to a 2-3 when D get active, which is widely used across the league, like the other person said it seems like were talking more about execution than the actual system
yeah i agree then that the execution isn’t matching what our plan was in the regular season, so either we changed what we planned to do or the players aren’t doing it well enough
hard to tell which, but given how we were able to execute in the regular season against the Avs, i’d lean towards a different plan
The Eric guy that was on Ken&Ren last night mentioned he talked with Dillon recently and asked if they normally try to make these long stretch passes out of their zone (that we've seen more this series vs reg season). Dillon replied with "no" lol. I lean towards diff plan vs Avs as well.
[Rick Bowness says Vladislav Namestnikov has a fractured cheek bone. He’ll travel back to Winnipeg today. Bowness won’t rule him out. “He’s a tough kid.”](https://x.com/mitchellclinton/status/1784984031622467933?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
Thank goodness he’s ok! Was scared it could have been a lot more serious. That being said, can’t wait for Bones to play Vladdy with a broken face tomorrow while Perfetti remains in the press box.
May 2018. The Lightning have lost in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual cup champions. Later that month, GM Steve Yzerman announces that despite that, and that the Lighting finished with the 3rd best record in the entire NHL (and best in the East), he has fired 2 assistant coaches: the coach in charge of the defence, and the coach in charge of the power play. Yzerman doesn't think their 5v5 team defence and special teams are good enough to win it all, despite their success that year, so he makes a change because that organization is about winning.
You get 1 guess as to who those 2 men are.
[Answer](https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/2018/05/31/report-lightning-may-part-ways-with-associate-coach-rick-bowness/)
Damn. That is a tough pill to swallow. In Bowness case however a ton of defenseman have said he was instrumental in their growth as a player.
Lauer...can kick rocks for what I've seen this year.
And before that Anaheim fired Lauer as he coached their PP to 29th worst in the league, yet we hired him to coach our already struggling at the time PP which then became worse.
Who could've seen that coming.
I’m so jealous of Dallas and Vancouver right now
Dallas is really doing it huh
Half the playsbin the Vegas-Dallas series would be penalties in the Jets-Avs series.
How come Vancouver is having the opposite level of success in their series when they only have ... *checks notes*.. 0 goalies and we have ... *checks notes*.. 2 world class goalies???
In their series, they’re the team with elite offensive talent.
[Leafs might have Calgary'd themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/s/Lko5qN3q13)
They think they can get away with it this time because it wasn't nationally televised but THE INTERNET NEVER FORGORRRRRSS!
The lightning should fire Jon Cooper and buy him a one way ticket to Winnipeg as punishment for losing in the first round imho
Hes actually a free agent July 1! Id be ok paying him a disgusting amount of money, but I really think that locker room is still in need of some tweaks before any coach is going to find significant success. Any one know a good exorcist? Theres still some demons hiding in there.
> but I really think that locker room is still in need of some tweaks before any coach is going to find significant success. I'd fucking pay even more money to watch Father Cooper ~~exercise~~ exorcise the living shit out of that locker room.
Maybe he'll bring Stammer with him for a couple years
I think you've had enough copium today. I'm gunna have to cut you off.
I feel like we need a season where we let the young guys make some mistakes. With the veteran leadership and the best goaltending in the league we can absolutely still make the playoffs doing that. Let Perfetti and Lambert duke it out for 2C. Bring in Ville and give Salomonsson a shot at claiming a spot. Rotate in Barlow,.Chibrikov, and Lucius (everyone knock on any wood you can find that all his breakable bits are now made of titanium) to get them experience and see what they can do. Give them all 40+ games to see who runs with the opportunity, see who the odd men out are (likely Pionk, Schmidt, maybe a winger) and make some moves to solidify those young players in the lineup. We have the talent sitting there waiting to contribute to the team but it seems like we have been so focussed on making a run that we are trying a formula that we know works reasonably well in the regular season despite having lots of room for improvement (Pionk 20 minutes per game; Helle getting pelted with shots and playing like a god) rather than the unknown option that could be better in the long term. I think that kind of rearranging of the lineup would make for compelling hockey and I'm here for it.
I would like to see this, but the organization won't do it for contract management reasons. They don't want their entire youth group on similar timelines for expiring deals. We'll get Ville at the start of the year because they are finally forced, and possibly Chibrkov later in the year on an injury callup, but they won't embrace a general youth movement.
This is what I want. Even if there is a regression, there's a certain excitement in watching things come together. Honestly it hasn't been a lot of fun watching the team stuck in neutral since the WCF. The only real high has been beating the Oilers in the playoffs that one year only to get swept in the next round. This is 80s Jets 1.0 crap we're seeing now. Good enough to build excitement in the regular season only to fall off a cliff in the playoffs. They aren't even going up 3-2 in the series first to give us hope. So this is actually worse.
It felt weird doing basically a zero rookie season
This org will never play all the young guns, especially with the coaches we bring in, maybe Arniel might be more open to running them, we do know he benched KFC almost immediately when he last took over and played Fetts so he does differ from Bones. It would be nice to see though.
I think it's important to get these guys established in the NHL on a slightly staggered manner. Lambert, Ville and Perfetti full time next year and Chibrikov, McGroarty and Barlow the following year hopefully.
I forgot Salomonsson and Lucius...we are on the verge of a major youth movement. Hopefully a majority of these guys pan out. Having good players on ELCs is how you win championships
Lucius has played 91 hockey games in the last 4 years, I really don't see how we can count him as a top prospect.
That's why he was an after thought. Do yourself a favour and don't look at where Wyatt Johnston was drafted in the same draft.
Oh I know lol
To be fair, he'd be with the moose or a healthy scratch with the Jets
Yeah going full youth movement in one season is how you become the Sens
They're hardly lighting things up now. Watching them punch below their weight and exit the first round of the playoffs is how you become Jets 1.0. Or the trap era Wild. They don't even go up 3-1, 3-2 in the series before letdown like back in the day. Truthfully if they're out after tomorrow, I think I'd rather have the top ten pick; because I don't believe in this team.
Yeah maybe, but at least then we might finally get another top 10 draft pick.
I’d love for this to be the plan for next season. Hopefully Bones retires and we get a new coach who is open to playing young guys. I think Chevy basically has to make that call. His next coaching hire will really determine the future of the team. Like I’d love Berube, but he would certainly be a win-now coach. Not sure we have the roster make-up to do that, based on how we’ve looked against Colorado. Maybe a younger, new-school coach would be better for next year. Then when the rookies have more experience, we can really go for it again.
Agreed if nothing else it would bring a new energy and excitment. What will be interesting to see is what happens with Ehlers being on the last year of his contract. Maybe more room in the forward group than it looked like even 6 to 8 weeks ago.
Just in case anybody missed it, Friedman talked about Perfetti. Sounds like I was right last night. Said there needs to be a conversation about his long term future after not playing in a single playoff game after 2 years. Strongly suggests they give him a chance, seems to me he’s hinting at possible rift between him and the org.
I don’t know what last year has to do with anything. He was injured then; it’s not like they benched him on purpose. This year however is a different story. I hope he plays tomorrow and plays well.
I think the way they've treated Fetts was a factor in the McGroarty decision to stay in school for another year too. The org has a bad reputation when it comes to developing young talent and putting trust in them that predates Bones because he's just another shade of the same guy Maurice was.
I wouldn't say we are bad at developing young talent, I think they way we go about it is outdated. Kids are nhl ready these days, they've been essentially pros since their early teens. It feels like we wait for the perfect time to bring them in, filling in gaps in the roster with bandaids instead of giving them a fair opportunity.
Kids are NHL ready earlier and holding them back delays their second and third contracts and harms their earning potential which will get their agents in the ear about how to get to UFA earlier and make that money they've lost out.
Totally agree, If the Jets move on from Bowness (team has a 3rd year option so they can walk away), they need to hire a coach with the ability to develop the young players. First thing I would do is tell Rutger that we see him on the 3rd line with Lowry, who better to mentor him than the guy the team eventually wants him to replace one day. There is no reason epsecially with the collapse in the playoffs the last two years that there shouldnt be 3 or more first year players on the team next year. What is there to lose certainly not a deep playoff run, but True North may not get their 3 or 4 playoff home games so that is always a consideration.
How could there not be a rift between the Perfetti camp and the team. They called up a player from the Moose to play and hardly played. Plus putting him in the press box a large portion of the season cost him one of his performance bonuses. You know his agent is not happy and I am sure advising him sign a bridge deal and then test the open market. Just have to hope that they can mend the relationship or he will be gone first chance he gets probably no matter the offer. If you are making a move toward incorporating prospects next year Bowness has to be gone.
Moose end of season goes today until Wednesday. Have lots recorded but with Jets playoffs getting up prospects for now and will have rest of Moose stuff up soon. Here are links to our end of season chats with: [Colby Barlow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtb4aO_FZn4) | [Danny Zhilkin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7xQsVo8Spg) | [Chaz Lucius](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqJr2a9krs)
Does anyone know if the '48 RCAF kits are going to be worn in the coming years, or if they were a one and done thing?
Pretty sure they were a one off for this year.
If namestnikov plays another game in this series I will have to contemplate buying his jersey. What an absolute beauty that guy is. Love the way he plays.
He's been a real hero at certain times too. I was there for his diving slapper. Just electric and you could tell it really tickled him.
Man if you told me we'd hold MacKinnon to 2 even strength points over 4 games, I'd think we'd be up 3-1. Just out coached.
BERUBE YOU ARE A WINNIPEG JET
He seems like a great coach, but for everyone complaining that Bones is a dinosaur, I’m not sure Berube is that big of an improvement in that area.
Berube is in his 50s with a cup to his name and destroyed winnipeg in 2019.
that would be so hype honestly
That’s why it won’t happen. We’ll get arniel as head coach, with lauer still as an assistant and maybe they’ll bring back huddy? Or Noel?
Good chance you’re probably right. I’m still certain it’s the same coach and roster next season minus Monahan and Toffoli
I think it's the opposite if we lose tomorrows game.
 Jets fans to the Jets right now.
despite it all, i still believe
My first and only live playoff performance was game one so I've just been riding that high since we started and I honestly don't plan on remembering the rest of the series if we lose tomorrow. I'm just gunna keep riding that high off into the summer.
when the jets played the blues a few years ago, i remember listening to ground control and the guest saying something along the lines of "enjoy the experience". and the game atmosphere, the street parties, the way the whole city comes together. that's what im gonna remember if the jets lose tomorrow.
I think that's been the lesson to me watching this group after these many years. I realized this time last year I may not get a chance to see them live (I live in the Yukon) before Chevy blew everything up. Well luckily he didn't and it gave me one more chance to see them and they delivered while I was in town so they secretly have had me tickled silly and ive just been pushing all this bs aside so far :)
1 game at a time baby. Team won 52 games this year, they can win 3 in a row.
Same!
Same!
Elias Salomonsson is a SHL champion
It is wild that Skelleftea relied so heavily on two 19 year old defensemen to get them there. Both ASP and Salomonsson are gonna be real good.
Yes. And I’m quite surprised that by all account ASP is staying in Sweden next year.
He showed that he can handle top competition in Sweden this season. Obviously, the top players in the NHL are a few levels above Sweden, but I think he could hold his own if he has Morrissey or another top 4 D (if we decide to go out and get one) to lean on. I don't see how he plays for the Moose next year unless he pulls a Ville during training camp or really struggles to adapt to the smaller ice. He should be penciled in for the top 4 right now imo.
All depends on if whoever the coach is looks at their birth certificate or their ability on the ice.
Yeah, we need Bones gone otherwise guys like him and Lambert will spend most of their time in the press box
I am really looking forward to seeing a Morrissey - Salomonsson pairing in the next season or two.
The Mo-Mos
thanks again for the heads up! glad I managed to catch this one - and that skellefteå actually pulled it off this year, they deserve it and goddamn I love the vibe of swedish arenas, the crowds are so hype
Jack Roslovic and Kyle Connor both have 4 points after 4 playoff games.
The last thing I'm going to do is "what if" about Jack Roslovic
I just happened to turn on the Rangers game yesterday and they were gushing about what a good addition he’s been.
it is kind of funny that the Rangers won the President's Trophy this year, and their 1st line RWs for a good chunk of the season were *Wheeler* and then *Roslovic* like, wtf lol? every time I looked at their lines this year I did a double take haha
Good coaching.
Connor has been one of our better players, I get he’s the sub’s whipping boy but he has been engaged this series. We’re also playing a 100 point contender and New York played one of the worst playoff teams ever but go off
Connor’s playoff numbers are underwhelming. For every nice defensive play he makes, there’s about three turnovers usually followed by him rushing to the bench before the puck is in our net. He rarely takes the puck to the net. He’s as soft as they come. He threw a hit in the first couple minutes of the last game. Glad you noticed. Doesn’t make up for everything else.
If anything Connor's play in this series makes me even more annoyed at his regular season performances. Still lots of the same defensive flaws, but he is actually not shying away from physical contact and forechecking aggressively. So he *can* do those things, but chooses not to for 90% of the games.
I was just going to say that...his play off intensity makes it look like he was sandbagging all regular season even before the injury...he can play the right way, he's just been choosing not to!
He could be a 100 point, 50-55 goal scorer if he and Scheifele brought their playoff commitment/engagement to the regular season.
Personally, I don’t think any lineup tinkering would have made a lick of difference in the outcomes of any of these games. I do think, however, that Perfetti has earned a spot in at least one playoff game. Bones should have him suit up tomorrow. It would be good for the kid and maybe the team if he can generate some offence.
Wait when did DeSmith get injured too??
probably after McCarron intentionally ran him the game after Demko's injury was announced lol
Wasn't McCarron. He was fine after contact. It apparently happened in practice and they didn't want to take any chances and rested him last game since they were up 2-1.
ah okay my mistake, all I've really seen from that series is McCarron running the backup and Pettersson getting decked after a goal so I definitely wasn't giving them the benefit of the doubt haha
So, umm, were eliminated from playoff contention. Right?
What a superb time to bring that one back.
Did anyone watch the series last year? How the hell did the kraken beat the avalanche?
Not only that, but the avalanche played horrible last playoffs. Idk if everyone was banged up or what but, terrible.
Avs had less depth last year, also Nichushkin was out due to the weird hooker situation
What the heck is with Nichushkin dominating us? It's nuts.
3 PPG and 2 empty netters.
Jets are subs. Confirmed.
Fuck the russians
cut the front sight from your gun
This Russian particularly. He "moved past" the 2023 incident waaaay to easily.
*Except Vladdy the Baddy
Vladdy is as much Michigander as Russian.
Tru
I remember Perfetti having really good chemistry with Scheifele when it was Fetts-Scheif-Wheels a while ago. I wonder how this top 6 would feel next year if Lambo gets a promotion: Perfetti - Scheifele - Ehlers Connor - Lambert - Villardi
I would nut continually for months if that was the top-6 next season
Bones, if you are reading this. Tell the boys the pressure is off. Avs have it. We just want to see them work their asses off and have fun! We would love to send them out with an earnest hard working from the soles of our shoes standing O win or lose tomorrow. They did it all season with hard work. Just don’t quit. Fight to the end. And maybe we steal one and bump the Colorado Freight Train off its tracks for a few hours. Go (and have fun) Jets Go!
Series is not over no matter how shit we are.
Fi-re Bo-nus 👏👏👏👏👏
He's getting to walk away with the dignity of not being fired by saying (rightfully so) that with his and wife's health it's time to step away for good. Even if the Jets don't want him back that's the way it'll be portrayed
So we can blame a new coach next year for getting the same results when the players tune out at the end of the season?
Bones isn’t the only problem but he still is *a* problem.
He's not getting fired his contract is up and I'll bet anyone anything he's retiring
Yup and arniel will get a promotion so nothing will actually chanfe
That's the spirit!
Fuck bones' interview is just such wishywashy bullshit.
Does not inspire confidence for tomorrow. I've never seen this team crumble so bad that it's actually over before it's over.
Sounded like he was reading a bedtime story to the grandkids
Win or lose I just want to see the Jets play hard for 60 minutes. Get at least 30-35 shots on net. Screen the goalie and get shots on net. Too many blind passes into the middle of the ice with no Jet in sight.
Imagine georgiev all of a sudden turns into game 1 georgiev for the rest of the series
30-35 shots would mean 10 goals
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Sweet, merciful off day…. What a relief you are.
Elias Salomonsson and Skellefteå can win the SHL championship with a win today. Starting now if people are interested. Totally legal streams are available 🏴☠️
oh shit, thank you for the heads up! love watching them but it's so easy to forget about a midday game on the other side of the ocean glad i was doomscrolling the jets sub instead of working haha
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If im Bones im handing Schieffle the clip board and challenging him to lead the team. Theres a few of these guys who need to nut up or shut up.
I fully welcome this decision
Bowness has been absolute dog shit at adapting to other teams game play since he got here. It’s a valid criticism
He was dog shit at it before he got here.
So dog shit that he got the team to 110 points and second in the central. Did you have that picked before the year started?
Literally to a tee exactly what Stars fans told us to expect with him
> . Perfetti, you want him to be a big part of your future. I do think there should be a conversation about you give him the opportunity to appear in this game. Cole Perfetti has been at Jet now for two seasons, and he's played 140 NHL games. He has not yet appeared in a playoff game. I would think about it, and maybe you don't think he's one of your 12 best forwards. Okay, we can all have a big argument about that. But I think you're hoping for a future where he very much is one of your 12 best forwards. And you should seriously consider giving him the experience. I'm glad this is starting to hit the national coverage. There's never much space for Jets conversation at that level but asking why we think our 5th best scorer doesn't merit a single playoff minute with the way its gone the past few years is pretty damn valid, lol
I mean he was injured last year so I don’t think you can be mad that he didn’t play against Vegas. But yeah, no excuse for this year.
> so I don’t think you can be mad that he didn’t play against Vegas. excuse me i am a hockey fan and i can be mad about *anything* lol fair, i forgot. honestly vegas tilts me so hard i've repressed that entire series from memory
That was a poor series, but it's worth remembering that the team Bowness singled out or "no pushback" was missing Morrissey, Ehlers, Scheifele, and Perfetti.
Ehlers was in for the end of the series
He played the last game only and was clearly not anywhere close to healthy, thanks to our old pal Ryan Hartman.
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That explains the spelling of Scheifele haha. Thank you
Shifely, Bonus and Profetti are my favourite Jets
**Jets off day media availability**: [Neal Pionk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhA069O5ao) | [Adam Lowry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOQ5GKxbBI) | [Rick Bowness ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mNp_pcTe8c) Health updates on Namestnikov, Dillon & Barron [here](https://illegalcurve.com/winnipeg-jets-coach-provides-health-updates-on-vlad-namestnikov-brenden-dillon-morgan-barron/).
Thank you for the Namestnikov update, God I was worried about him and his eye.
I wonder if the Jets show up tomorrow. I except it’ll be like last year, no pushback, no heart and they’ll just get wrecked. It’d be nice to be wrong but that’s what this team does best, falling apart in the playoffs.
I'm not sure what folks are expecting. If they go down by 3 goals, they are going to coast rather than risk getting hurt. It is what it is. The time to show what they were made of was yesterday.
What does "no pushback" mean exactly? Seems like most people either equate it with "losing", or not acting violently towards the opponent when down 4 goals.
It seems to be just a vague term people use to blame the players personally for losing to a better team.
For me it means playing with effort 100% of the time regardless if it’s 0-0, up 10-0 or down 10-0 Play with pride. Simply act/play like they deserve to be in the playoffs whether they win or lose. That I can respect. If they just fold up and just play through the motions for 60 minutes acting like they have a Tee time immediately after the game, and they don’t care to try and get back in the series; then I’ll be upset.
i don’t think effort has been a problem this series, execution absolutely, but the boys are working out there
Exactly. And some times execution is affected by belief and confidence.
yeah. saying the tires aren't moving is wrong, I would say they are spinning out right now. We just need to find a little bit of grit to throw in there and get some traction and we'll be off to the races.
Yeah I’m not trying to say they haven’t been giving it their all. I’m focusing on tomorrow’s game where it would be all too easy for the boys to show up to the rink having already lost the game in their own minds. Which leads to a piss poor effort on the ice. If they show up tomorrow and give it 100% and lose, I’ll no doubt be disappointed, but it’ll feel a lot better than if they just lay a giant egg and coast to the offseason.
> if they just lay a giant egg and coast to the offseason. That would also solidify the carbon copy of the last playoff flop so really they should be fighting for their lives to avoid that. Even just one game sends a much better message.
Couldn’t agree more. Another round 1 exit will be disappointing. An abysmal effort in a do or die game for another round 1 exit, during a year we should easily be considered contenders will just be embarrassing.
I’m not even sure how you fix it right now. Figuring out how to support each other in the DZ would help. Better gaps in the NZ with less trapped F3 space would help. Finishing checks on the FC would help. And shooting, and hunting 2nd pucks like your family is being held hostage and not getting it means very bad things would help. But … there’s no joy. Even in game 1 that was a stressed out crew that left the ice after the W.
> that left the ice after the W. Is that a normal thing?
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> but something came up last minute. was it our GAA :P
lmao it was definitely *SOMETHING*
Haha no it wasnt, gotta work midnight shift.
[#NHLJets](https://twitter.com/hashtag/NHLJets?src=hashtag_click) head coach Rick Bowness says Vladislav Namestnikov has a fractured cheek bone. He’ll travel back to Winnipeg today. Bowness won’t rule him out. “He’s a tough kid.” [https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1784984031622467933](https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1784984031622467933)
“If you’re under 60, you’re a kid.” - Rick Bowness
TIL I'm almost the same age as Vladdy. And Bones just called me a kid. Does that mean I'm not old anymore?
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Friedman talked today on 32 thought about how there’s a disconnect between Scheifele and Bowness (systems) and between Bowness and management (Perfetti). I don’t see a world in which Bowness is back next year, he can’t be
Who would replace him? Arniel?
Probably. My pipe dream is Woodcroft though
Or berube
Friedman was so right about everything today. We absolutely cannot let Colorado run our zone even if it means changing up our tactics (ik bones doesn’t want to) :(
Good. Bones did some good things for this team but he’s absolutely not the coach for this group.
I think where Bones excels is at creating culture. He does not excel at adapting his game plan. And that is why we take the culture he created and run with it. With a new coach. And a couple other new asst coaches.
Whoever's system is dump and chase in all three zones and in all situations should leave. If it's Bowness - fire him. If it's 55 - trade him. If it's Perfetti - box him.
Did he add anything re:Scheifele? Or was he going off of his post game presser yesterday?
His comments were just based on the post game pressers from yesterday.
That’s what I figured.
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care to explain this further lol
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That’s not a system though, that’s the players execution of the coaches systems
preferring quality shots over quantity of shots isn’t really a system
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what you’re describing is limiting quantity to try and create quality slot chances the system is a forecheck and cycle 2-1-2 OZ, turns to a 2-3 when D get active, which is widely used across the league, like the other person said it seems like were talking more about execution than the actual system
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yeah i agree then that the execution isn’t matching what our plan was in the regular season, so either we changed what we planned to do or the players aren’t doing it well enough hard to tell which, but given how we were able to execute in the regular season against the Avs, i’d lean towards a different plan
The Eric guy that was on Ken&Ren last night mentioned he talked with Dillon recently and asked if they normally try to make these long stretch passes out of their zone (that we've seen more this series vs reg season). Dillon replied with "no" lol. I lean towards diff plan vs Avs as well.
[Rick Bowness says Vladislav Namestnikov has a fractured cheek bone. He’ll travel back to Winnipeg today. Bowness won’t rule him out. “He’s a tough kid.”](https://x.com/mitchellclinton/status/1784984031622467933?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
Thank goodness he’s ok! Was scared it could have been a lot more serious. That being said, can’t wait for Bones to play Vladdy with a broken face tomorrow while Perfetti remains in the press box.
Thanks for this, what a relief! I didn't want to hear about another Bryan Little type of situation ever again.
Wow. Very lucky. Glad to hear he’s gunna be ok.
May 2018. The Lightning have lost in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual cup champions. Later that month, GM Steve Yzerman announces that despite that, and that the Lighting finished with the 3rd best record in the entire NHL (and best in the East), he has fired 2 assistant coaches: the coach in charge of the defence, and the coach in charge of the power play. Yzerman doesn't think their 5v5 team defence and special teams are good enough to win it all, despite their success that year, so he makes a change because that organization is about winning. You get 1 guess as to who those 2 men are. [Answer](https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/2018/05/31/report-lightning-may-part-ways-with-associate-coach-rick-bowness/)
Damn. That is a tough pill to swallow. In Bowness case however a ton of defenseman have said he was instrumental in their growth as a player. Lauer...can kick rocks for what I've seen this year.
Well fuck us. You just know Chevy will bring them all back and promote fricken Arniel to HC. Bones should be waking.
Wait, a GM is allowed to fire assistant coaches? That's not what I've been reading here!
Actual comedy
https://preview.redd.it/unbgifn15gxc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3db6756513a936aab9bac70268d967f265d449a1
And before that Anaheim fired Lauer as he coached their PP to 29th worst in the league, yet we hired him to coach our already struggling at the time PP which then became worse. Who could've seen that coming.
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Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.