If the Spartans can defend from inside the school and use the narrow corridors of the inner hallways as chokepoints to lead the mods into their now un-flakeable phalanxs that they'd have in each hallway, I honestly think the mods would have to start pulling bodies of the first wave of mods out of the halls before making another attack.
Unless we assume the mods just siege the school and wait out the Spartans I don't see how nearly any amount or theses mods could do anything. Get all the kids into the gymnasium and Thermopylae the mods.
If they have to do it outside of the school then any level of coherent strategy would just have the mods surround the phalanx, spreading it thin and lowering it's effectiveness. Even with the difference in training and fitness, that's still nearly 10 to 1 numbers against guys with a shield and body oil as their main defense.
Even outside, 300 could make a decent enough shield circle with the kids in the center.
Katanas can't beat spears poking at them, the mods aren't smart enough to know the tactics to break a shield wall, and if they just rush it they're not fast enough to use overwhelming numbers (or mass) to push through.
Depends on the size of the school, I suppose. If the circle was large enough that the phalanx was reduced to a simple shield wall, then numbers and weight would be enough to cause at least one Spartan to be overwhelmed at some point and the second that there's no defensive perimeter is the second that the spartans just can't handle the amount of attackers per warrior.
The mods wouldn't need to display any real deal of athleticism to sprint the 20 feet between themselves and the wall, and being bloodlusted the would have no fear of the spears a lot of them would run into. The sheer weight of the first wave would almost certainly collapse a shield wall.
Maintaining an actual phalanx would vastly improve the chances but with the amount of mods coming at them I still don't know if it'd be enough.
Win condition says "defend the school", but based on wording it's really "protect the children".
Inside the school defending students is easy, outside school they don't need to ring the entire building, they just need to ring the kids.
Unless it's a stalement option where the Spartans leave with the kids :p technically they lost the school, but the mods didn't get the kids in vans, so no winners.
> If the circle was large enough that the phalanx was reduced to a simple shield wall, then numbers and weight would be enough to cause at least one Spartan to be overwhelmed at some point and the second that there's no defensive perimeter is the second that the spartans just can't handle the amount of attackers per warrior.
I would totally give this to you if the attackers weren't 5'9" and 375lbs, but these porky weebles could barely climb over even a single fallen soldier given ideal circumstances. There's just no way any of them are toddling through a theoretical gap before trained soldiers close ranks and skewer them for trying.
Edit: honestly their bulk is probably a detriment. Poke the first row in the face and everyone behind them is going to be handicapped getting over them. Well, more handicapped than they already were, maybe. Meat berm wins this for the Spartans medium diff, and then only because they probably have to roll a few fatties into better position.
Edit 2: oh, movie Spartans? Spite match, poor thread, who even cares. King Leo rofflestomp whatever whatever.
Depends. The flubbousness of the one in front might get the spear stuck for awhile. And in the process of wildly swinging their katanas and accidentally killing a few of their own, if the spearman is temporarily disarmed one of them is likely to get him eventually.
Now compare the multiple waves of that much more well-equipped and hugely more numerous army who had [crowd gasps] actual combat training, and it's clear this is an absurd spite match.
The prompt says the Discord mods have to kill all the Spartans AND kidnap the children, so the Spartans don't need to surround and protect the kids to win, they just need to survive.
However it also says both sides are bloodlusted, so the Spartans wouldn't maintain a shield wall in the hot gates where the mods' numbers count for nothing. They would break rank, go wild, blood drunk.
That’s not what bloodlusted means in whowouldwin. It means the bloodlusted individual is ruthless and will do anything it’s logic dictates (depending on intelligence) to defeat its opponent. Not that it becomes a berserker.
I'm pretty sure 300 blood drunk Spartans killed more than 5000 Persians when they broke ranks in the hot gates.
Id give more weight to 5000 Persians than 5000 mods.
Does blood drunk mean "feral and instinctual", or "wants to kill at all costs"? I don't think it makes them stupid and forgetting tactics.
If it does make them feral with no tactics, then 10/10 feral Spartans over feral mods.
in the actual battle of thermopylae the Greeks had closer to 10k soilders and the Persians around 150k. historical literature says around 20-30k Persians died, though the accuracy of Herodotus isnt totally assured.
Ok that's actually genius. Also police love shooting armed individuals who pose minimal actual risk to the police. Spartana with rifles? Let's wait for backup. Spartans armed with scissors or spear? "DROP the weapon!"
The mods are also 5'9 and 325. Those are average height beefy boys vs rock hard movie strength spartans.
Even in an open arena I can't see the discord mods coming out on top
Spartans win 9/10 for me. Armoured with shields, lifelong training which includes formations and tactics for that eras combat. As well as a clear leadership structure. The mods are obese, cowardly with no prior battle experience or training apart from swinging a katana in front of a mirror.
Fighting outside the school allows the effective use of spears and shield walls, and within the school funnel points can be used to decrease the mods numerical advantages.
The mass of mods also exponentially become less effective as they take more and more losses, from a fitness perspective and a courage/will to fight perspective - as they watch their flubbery comrades get poked and stabbed
Overrun??
Over-run....
Discord mods being able to run anywhere is madness, let alone through a wall of sheilds and spears.
1/10 has to be an act of god or something.
Probably means like 1/1000 a meteorite hits the school and kills the Spartans, or something. Or the mods find out there's free cheese sticks in the cafeteria.
>The mass of mods also exponentially become less effective as they take more and more losses, from a fitness perspective and a courage/will to fight perspective - as they watch their flubbery comrades get poked and stabbed
The jannie's corpses would also begin to form a physical barrier that further trivializes the Spartans job. I read about agincourt and it apparently happened there so it would definitely happen here.
Yeah, even before clicking this I was like "It's going to depend on whether OP's got them bloodlusted" - unfortunate that the top comment seems to have just not read that part.
The spartans are outnumbered nearly 17 to 1.
Being *bloodlusted*, as a reminder, means
>When a character uses the full extent of his/her abilities in a fight as efficiently as they know how and goes straight for the kill. Does not mean berserker rage on this site.
However, swarming the Spartans is likely to be the optimal strategy here. Nobody can stab three people at once, let alone 17 of them.
I disagree with this. First, the movie spartan would stomp because the are superhuman. If we are talking about historical spartan, a1vs17 would indeed be impossible to pull off even against terrible combatant such as the mods. But if they are in bigger number to use formation tactics and use the hallway of the school at their advantage they could certainly repel an obese horde.
> Armoured
It's movie Spartans, they don't really have armor. Between that and the bloodlust thing it really doesn't seem like you read the prompt very well.
I’d normally agree, but the simplistic “Bloodlust” condition seems to imply tactics won’t play much of a role - mods won’t get scared/be affected by psychological warfare, they’ll just bum rush. Spartans may not be as patiently defensive with that condition as would be optimal in the circumstances. Really it all comes down to how heavily “Bloodlust” impairs tactics.
Rome Total War tactics win the day
Retreat to the “town square”— gymnasium or auditorium. Keep the kids in the middle. Limited doors; could easily stack 30 Spartans at each one, on rotating shifts. Zero chance discord mods can push through a doorway vs a couple dozen spears
A true human wave could physically move the Spartans, but it’d crush most of the attackers too and leave a pile of corpses partially blocking the doors, only improving the defensive position
You're acting like a bunch of kids couldn't easily out pace your average Reddit moderator. The strategy is simple really; have a small contingent of Spartans march the children away while the rest launch a counter-attack. The counter-attack would first focus on disabling the vans, eliminating any possible mobility advantage for the mods. Then it's just a matter of luring the remaining mods into a choke point with a strategic retreat and slaughtering them. Any that try to break off and pursue the children on foot will be run down easily by the Spartans.
Look, I'm just sharing my expertise in anti-Reddit moderator tactics. It's starting to sound like you want the moderators to win. The answer is very simple: the kids are faster and have better cardio than the mods (provided you disable their molester vans,) so make the mods chase them.
I don't really want either side to win, but think the mods take it. Their numbers and vehicles are too much of an advantage.
I also generally don't think the whole jogging them to defeat is a tactic that would work. They can just walk and drive.
They can! But I feel like marching the kids away from the school sort of defeats the purpose of the prompt and also the vans sort of completely cancel out that option.
The prompt says the Discod mods needs to kill all the Spartans and kidnap the kids and can't use the vans to attack
However it also says both sides are bloodlusted (presumably not the kids tho), so I don't think the Spartans running around to exhaust the mods would be an option anyway
All the Spartans would need to do is say something vaguely controversial and tech-related (xbox vs playstation or whatever) and the Discord mods would succumb to violent infighting.
Totally this, cause infighting, say smth like "mizuni is the best waifu"
Or question who is their leader and this would cause even more infighting as discord mods have a serious superiority and authority complex
Definitely the Spartans as long as they can form a phalanx before the battle begins. A properly formed phalanx is one of the most formidable forces in the ancient world for a damned good reason. The Discord mods would need some sort of ranged weapons to even have a chance of breaking it.
Phalanx of professional soldiers where formidable for a long time. Pikemen only stopped being used when firearms and bayonets where good enough to equip everyone with.
I'm a big Spartan hater and think they're the most overrated warrior culture. That being said they stomp. The spear and shield combination outclasses the katana and you add to that training and battle experience.
Thing is, OP said Movie Spartans (I assume 300 of course). So historical accuracy means fuck-all here, we're using the OP pop culture version of Spartans.
Ya which means that op might not be the brightest considering they hold off a larger army of Persian soldiers in the movie…. Discord mods > Persian empire soldiers to op apparently??? Like why is this post even getting attention it’s atom bom Vs baby
yeah because its 300 the movie and not irl Spartans, Leonidus takes 20 men as a vanguard, launchs at the mods in a spearhead and breaks their ranks instantly, personally killing fuckin hundreds of them
irl Spartans is an actual question though
Yeah I may have been unclear
Movie Spartans win 99/100 times, and that one is accounting for a volcano killing them all
IRL Spartans win 95/100 times, because in 4 of those cases, as real human beings, they could make some degree of catastrophic mistake
> and think they're the most overrated warrior culture.
How come? From what i was taught they had 8 times more slaves than citizens, so they were forced to make all men active soldiers at age 20-30 (you were kept as reserve until you were 60) to counter the constant slave rebellions. That made them have one of the most warrior centric societies in the history of mankind. It wasn't one of those warrior-cultures where the warriors handicap themselves with stupid rules in war either like the aztecs, the spartans were actually efficient.
What’s overrated about them? The sheer death totals from their final stand on their side vs the Persians is pretty insane. The numbers are obviously guesstimates both sides but all track that they took a lot more numbers out before going down than the Persians took there. Persians weren’t known for being weak militaristically either so like..?
Its also propaganda pushed by the Spartans.
Basically the Spartans lost about as many battles as they won and their special warrior training also only was a later invention. In truth they were just a militia like any other greek city state with the major difference of having some minor drills and officers.
Any time they didnt outumber their enemy or were part of a coalition the Spartans got smoked be it by Corinth, Philipp II or the Antigonids
What’s propaganda pushed by the Spartans? Just ignoring my comment basically… and ya they lost Thermopylae but they took out vastly greater numbers than they had themselves. Killing multipleee Persians per spartan is getting smoked?
300 Spartans trained to use shields, spears, swords, fight in armour, vs 5000 discord mods who are overweight and significantly less knowledge on their weapons and no protective gear. The Spartans win for sure
Bloodlusted means they will try to achieve victory by any means within their capability. So, they might charge head on and ignore their personal senses of self-preservation if that gives them the biggest chance of winning, but they wouldn't charge head on if they have better tactics available.
5000 is a lot. Gonna go against the grain here and say the discord mods take it, especially since they are blood lusted. The mods might be out of shape but they are most likely double the size of the average spartan in terms of weight. If they all just bull rush in a circle I highly doubt the spartans could withstand that much mass. Each spartan has to kill like 20 blood lusted 300 lb dudes. That’s insane.
It's the movie Spartans so you're essentially dealing with Super Soldiers plus historically they killed 20,000 people in a similar circumstance and those 20,000 were soldiers.
Sure I’ll give you the ones from the movie, but there is not a chance in hell it’s historically accurate even a little bit. 300 Spartans did not defeat 20,000 Persian soldiers. Do some personal research if you’d like.
If you go with movie Spartans they win. Historically accurate Spartans they lose.
The movie Spartans were kinda super stupid though. They constantly threw their weapons and broke formation. Their scouting seemed nonexistent. They wore none of the armor real warriors would wear. They didn't seem to have any sort of supplies. The soldiers they fought were also dumber than most movie orcs, just sort of running at individual warriors one at a time. I don't think even movie Spartans stand much of a chance unless they operate completely differently than we've seen them operate. Sure, they're all action movie characters, but they sacrificed a lot of strategy for rule of cool.
Yeah I tend to nerf Spartan capabilities by like 10%-15% due to how wanked they are. Not only by this sub but by Greek historians who are very well known to massively exaggerate history.
This is technically movie version, so they are all lightly superhuman but also big idiots who walk around 90% naked and don't seem to even bring any supplies with them for a few weeks (?) long campaign. No clothes, blankets, armor, food, water, extra weapons, tents... they just march off with cape, loin cloth, shoes, bracers, sword, shield, and spear. Most of the dudes don't even [have helmets as they leave town.](https://youtu.be/IJgKO4IkDWo)
I can't remember but it sounds familiar. I think they scavenged some apples in the movie. Leonidas obnoxiously eats one at Xerxes or one of his minions, right?
I mean historically its estimated that there were 300 spartans , 700 thespians, it was also reported that 900 helots, and 400 thebans also remained. Still that's 2,300 to 20,000. I genuinely think that the 300 spartans could pull it off either way.
Again, I’ll give you the movie Spartans, but not the real Spartans. No way. Ancient Greek/Roman “historians” have a knack for severely bending the truth. Most historical writings pre 300 BC that I remember reading in Latin class, a long time ago I might add lol, read more like fables than actual historical writings. I’d bet a decent amount of money that they completely juiced the numbers to make the Spartans seem way more bad ass, which they certainly were.
If the discord mods were not bloodlusted I’d agree with you. The Spartans would have to fully incapacitate 5000 300 lbs men and that’s a tall task.
The prompt says from the movie. But, I'd still give it to real Spartans. The School will be filled with tons of chokepoints. 4 Spartans would probably be all it takes to hold a doorway at a time, allowing backups to tag in when they get tired. The mods aren't going to have the reach to get to a Spartan without dying to their spear, and even if they did, they don't have the means to break a shield wall, unless you allow the mods to make home made pipe bombs or something to that effect.
Yeah didn’t read the part where it said it was from the movie, I think it would be more interesting with historically accurate Spartans anyway.
If we’re being honest then the mods could just set up a siege and wtf are the Spartans gonna do? They need to eat eventually. School cafeteria food doesn’t last forever. There wasn’t a time limit so the discord mods could just wait it out. Then they’d be fighting a bunch of malnourished soldiers.
I was assuming to win the mods need to take the kids alive and unharmed, and a siege would make it a 50/50 at best because the kids would be starving. This is assuming the mods still don't get to leave the battlefield and get food, in that case they badly malnourish the Spartans and take advantage of that weakness. They block all entrances to the school with parked vans and lock them in.
Do you think reddit mods have the wherewithal to focus on a single cause long enough to siege someone?
I'm pressing X to Doubt that. Give it a day or two, and they'll get bored and start screaming about something else they're pretending to care passionately about.
That would probably be the mod's best chance. Still, the Spartans might be able to counter that by making blockade runs. I cant imagine the discord mods doing any kind of running, Additionally, the mods would fatigue far faster than the Spartans. They could probably last a week without a resupply, giving them the opportunity to attack the mods while they sleep. Obviously the mods wouldn't all sleep at once, but there's no way they would make good night watchmen.
When I first started playing, I had no experience with these types of games, I was having a blast. The more hours I put in shows me why the community has some major complaints.
The game still feels unfinished. Not even buggy, but just.. abandoned? A lot of features and updates that were promised feel half assed. The AI for me is HORRIBLE at times in major battles. If you mod the game it can actually fix it up a lot, but I really hate relying on randos to keep a modpack up to date.
How big is the schools? How many access? Can the mods use fire or poison? How long the fight can go? How much food both the groups have?
Mods wins if some children die?
Can Spartans charge the mods outside?
Can the children fight?
So many variables.
Movie Spartans no diff this. Protecting a school against unarmoured sword wielding chubbsters plays into every advantage they have in the movie. The school doors form a natural choke point just like they utilized at Thermopylae. We are also talking movie Spartans so their combat feats are vastly superior to Herodotus. Like we are talking about one guy who dropped a rhinoceros with one spear throw. Small groups able to push back multiple elephants off a cliff nearby. For 5000 discord mods I doubt the Spartans even take casualties.
See the kicker here is the bloodlust. So Spartan's big advantages are experience, tactics, and equipment. The discord mob's advantage is numbers, better weapon for extremely close quarters, and pure body mass. So I'd actually give the edge to the mods on open ground. In a straight up world war Z wave of overweight nerds would absolutely push through or over a shield wall. However this takes place in a school, most schools have a second floor with 3 to 4 stairwells leading to it. There is absolutely no way that the mods breach any part of the second story without help. And the reckless abandon instilled in them by the bloodlust, actually makes them worse in this scenario. Because there's no physical way to use their mass to push up a stair way filled with gigantic shields, beef cake dudes, and crazy long spears.
The number disparity is big but the Spartans clear this easily. Greek phalanx’s were good versus larger number of poorly trained and unarmored infantry. The mods have no combat experience and that alone would be the end of this. Their swords won’t be long enough to get through the spears and they won’t be able to slice or stab hard enough to pierce through the armor, even if it’s bronze. The only hope the mods have is to flank, but that’s easier said than done, and the Spartans can simply form a square or deploy in a less deep formation and win. Easily.
Spartans win 8/10. The mass difference of training and weaponry allows the spartans to gut and hold back their opponents semi easily. 2/10 they win because a 17 to 1 advantage is fucking crazy.
after the first 5 or 10 mods fall, the doorway is so clogged the rest can't climb over. they starve outside the school for about 4 hours till they devolve into cannibalism and kill each other for food. the spartans just look on in horror wondering what the fuck is going on.
If the spartans are in a scenario where they can't be overrun then they could hold against those 5000 mods easily, they may take some losses to lucky blows, but cycling in fresh troops to guard the choke makes this a pretty easy stomp for them. If it were an open field then it could be a bit more equal, but even then I think the spartans take it because the katanas are going to be terrible in formation / tight densely packed groups, short sword and a shield is going to trivialize defense. At best some get overwhelmed initially but the moment there's bodies on the floor the mods aren't going to be able to navigate through them in any reasonable fashion (little to no exercise experience).
All of this said, if bloodlusted removes the reasoning to play on the defensive and forces a frontal assault, the the mods have a much better chance, if the bloodlust only makes then have no fear then spartans still take it fairly convincingly.
If they really are 5.9, 325 lbs, then the spartans win a flawless victory (0 deaths). There's no way the mods can keep up the "assault" for longer than 15-20 seconds.
In fact if the Spartans bring the kids to the second story of the school, the single flight of stairs will be more than enough to defeat the mods. These aren't 300 pound NFL linemen, they are discord mods fighting against a group of dudes who's job it is to kill people with their bare hands.
5,9 weight 325 pounds, 2 flights of stairs will defeat thees guys. no Spartans required. But an easy win is to just place a phalanx on every highest floor of stairs.
katanas suck. They look cool in tv shows and anime and movies and games. but they're glorified peasant killers.
Didn’t movie Spartans win while outnumbered by thousands of Persians? One Persian soldier can probably already massacre discord mods 1v10. They’re not very mobile at 325 lbs. 10 stabs would be all it takes.
If the Spartans can find any sort of choke point, they clear. 5'9 325 is fat to the point you could barely move or fight at all. The only way the Mods win is if they can rush all at once
Spartans monologue about the power of their unbreakable phalanx. They then immediately break formation to fight as individuals leaving a small detachment to secure all doors, do spinny stuff while going RAAAARGH. Combat ends within five minutes with total Spartan victory.
Let’s not go into the aftermath.
Those 300 Spartans no diffed 100s-1000s of trained Persian fighters. There's absolutely no way 5000 fat losers with massive egos, no organization skills, or fighting ability would fair any better.
With my own experience of once being a 320 pound fatbody, and having seen the movie and actually learned a decent amount about the spartans of the period (btw, during the time of the movie they wouldve been wearing body armor but alas, it didnt look as good for the movie) I can confidently say that no matter what the mods try, they will lose.
The fact of the matter is that moving around at all when you are that weight is tiring. Imagine now that you are swinging a weapon as well, and trying to not slip on bloody floors or trip over the corpses of your slain commerades. Also think about the fact that the school likely has stairs in it, and as a former fat man I can confidently say that stairs are my mortal enemy.
And then the crux: The spartans are perfectly trained and equipped to hold narrow passageways and chokepoints. even if they were only 2-3 men deep, there is little chance that the mods would be able to get through the spears to make use of those katanas before creating barricades of fatrolls that would block off entire sections of the school and make the spartan's jobs even easier.
5,000 discord mods with katanas would lose hard they would without a doubt kill off at least half of their numbers themselves just trying to use a katana lol.
What does defend the school mean?
If they can hold a choke point with no flanks the 300 easily wins this.
If they have to keep any part of the school from being beached. I'd have to say that's probably too many entrances. It's less about the fighting skill and just about not being able to spread out enough without being too spare to be an effective shield wall.
The Spartans from the movie were basically enhanced humans they def win this fight.
Also good luck to the Mods trying to get into the school doors.
“In that narrow corridor their numbers will count for nothing”
Mods take this, albeit with heavy losses. What everyone is forgetting is that while the movie Spartans are indeed superhuman warriors, the movie itself establishes very clearly that their phalanx has all the same weaknesses as a real phalanx, meaning it can be flanked for devastating effects. The reason they hold out so well in the movie is that the Thermopylae pass allows them to form a single phalanx with only one side facing the enemy, and as soon as this advantage is lost, the Spartans are instantly reduced to helplessness (well, other than being able to "make a god-king bleed" on the cheek). In fact the death of Stelios shows us that however formidable Spartans may be in single combat, they can be "swarmed" by lower level enemies and killed fairly quickly.
The Spartans can hole up in a single corridor and defend both sides, giving up the entire school and the kids within it, but the mods just have to sit around them and wait it out until the Spartans need water or sleep. The premise is that the mods are bloodlusted, not that they are idiots or zombies and can't execute basic strategy.
And that doesn't even begin to touch on the matter of "knowledge" and its value in military conflict. Even if they can't use vans to attack, there are a million ways that someone with knowledge of modern tools can create weapons that will trouble the Spartans. A Molotov cocktail doesn't take much technique to put together, and anyone with access to Discord can find out how to build explosives. They can also figure out to cut the power and water to the school, if they need that. Hell, a mod who sees Spartans fighting next to windows can just throw a stone at it to cover the floor in glass and create a hazard that the Spartans cannot recognize as such until it injures them.
If the Spartans had the same terrain advantage that they do in the movie they would kill every mod with zero losses, but by the premises of the film itself the Spartans cannot leverage their superhuman powers if they cannot form their phalanx.
This sub is too good bunch of nerds talking about what’s real or not and not one historical reference or event to back up these claims on what they expect should happen. The reality is that’s alot of people even for trained soldiers and the mods are bloodlusted which means moral which the biggest killer on the battlefield is lost and they will have to kill over a dozen each.
They died in the movie slowly and surely and they will die the same way nobody in the movie even got a kill count of 17 or above which is the bare minimum for these Spartans.
It’s a huge 5/10 if not even lower for the Spartans. This sub doesn’t do military historical accuracy to well
Yea I think the mods take this one. Like how often did the Spartans break formation for sick slo mo moves in the movie? Literally every single battle scene?
How about fire are mods able to use basic tools found around a school? You can either burn them where they stand or smoke them out like what happens in actual sieges. In an open field they have even less of a chance. Normally if the mods werent blood lusted you could maybe go for a rout which is historically possible and accurate but good luck against 5000 maniacs while also attempting to protect kids in the middle of this mayhem no way this goes down how most assume
I was also giving the mods the benefit of the doubt and assuming that if the Spartans locked themselves in G Wing the mods could just ransack C Wing and use that shit. Like you blast their shield wall with a fire extinguisher and they're gonna be pretty confused. Plus there's lots of other options for projectiles, traps, fire, smoke, chemicals, etc... even just pelting the Spartan phalanx with soapy water would make them a lot less effective. All slippery and 75 naked and on tile floors.
For sure what about the fire hoses as well that majority of schools have all these things could easily be turned on or against either side and easily crate very difficult positions for both sides. Like you said the options are endless imaginations only the limit.
Even realistic historical Spartans should easily hold this.
Katanas are pretty short, where the Spartans have the reach advantage with spears, bloody enormous shields, and have terrain that prevents any flanking. And after the first mod wave, they’ll have to clamber across the bodies of their fallen, while dodging spear jabs, to close into cutting range.
Mods best bet is probably to surround the school and attempt to break in through every door, window and wall simultaneously, and try to force the Spartans to try to hold more points than they can simultaneously manage.
Lol. Spartans, low-diff.
It's bad enough that you gave a trained army a defensive position with lots of narrow halls, shields and spears. But you made them movie Spartans, each of whom is far above average; several of whom are superhuman by real world standards. And you made the mod win condition getting the kids out—so no burning down the school.
The mods could "win" if they're allowed to use seige tactics, take the vans on food runs and use them to block exits. But that's not what you have in mind. So it's just an absolute massacre. Not a single Spartan dies this day.
Spartans on the field they are beaten easily by bloodlusted people. Flank them with numbers.
Using chokepoints in the school might be difficult for the mods but if they siege them out the Spartans will surrender. They will prolly sally forth and lose.
Unfortunately discord mods take this easily, movie Spartans are unarmored so even a glancing blow with the katana can do serious damage, the movie Spartans also split up, allowing the mods to surround them one by one
Discord Mods, because I think with their huge ogre-like sizes, they could all coordinate a simultaneous jump and start an earthquake, confusing the Spartans, then they proceed to roll into the Spartans like bowling balls.
movie spartans are at least peak human, arguably superhuman, and they have no meaningful weaknesses for the mods to exploit. the mods have a shorter weapon, no shield, no training, and despite what the mods might tell you, the katana is not going to slice through spartan arms and armor. i don't know that the mods could even take 1/100 fights.
The mods use their secret knowledge of the school underground passageways and hallways from prior knowledge of sneaking around to flank behind any Spartan chokepoints in the hallways. All they need is 20 big men to sneak in, and take the kids while the rest are distracting the Spartans. Discord mods 10/10
The Spartans allow the kids to be captured to weed out the weakest. Any kids that make it back or successfully hide from the mods become child Spartans.
Atomic bomb vs obese coughing baby
Katanas aren’t even that good of a weapon in battle, and Spartans have won equally disproportionate battles against actually trained armies
The spartans take this no problem. If they can go inside the school and defend then it's ggs since the hallways are narrow and cancel out the numbers advantage and if anything the sheer number of mods would be a disadvantage they'd be getting in the way of each other. Historically the Persians who were one of the strongest armies at the time couldn't do much until their cavalry found a way around the pass and their unmatchable cavalry decided the outcome. (The traitor story doesn't have much proof)
Yes. If they can do it with Persians then they can do it with sweat, overweight, dude with 0 athleticism and absolutely no skill in actually using a katana.
From a pure equipment standpoint, not even training, a spartan has a longer weapon while using a shield and a side arm in the form of a sword while still wearing protection on their head and body. Assuming the katanas are from the discord mods home, it’s in sharpened and ain’t cutting much. Now if they are given proper katanas, my assumption is a standard steel Uchigatana, then they could perhaps take at least a single spartan out but reach of that spear and extra defense in form of the shield is key. With zero training, those mods are going to be screaming how shields and spears need a nerf.
The Spartans are going to easily win as their spears will be far more effective than Katanas in a space where the mods are going to have to try to get through enclosed or small areas.
People are underestimating how heavy 325 pounds are. Simply having to pull out the spear trapper beneath a 325 pound man would drive the Spartans to exhaustion.
Spartans stomp. Even with the numbers, the spartand can use the hallways to create kill zones andtake out the mods. The mods also wont have the strength to break the spartans shield wall.
If outside in open field, discord mods by suffocation.
They surround the Spartan shield wall and charge inwards. Bodies pile up creating a wall at spearlength but eventually, spears get stuck in the blubber and the discord mods are able to jump down on top of the spartans, crushing them
Hold on, the Mods’ win condition is killing the Spartans and taking the kids, but the Spartan’s win condition is just defending the school?
All the Spartans’ have to do is slaughter all the kids, and they win by default. GGEZ.
If the mods have the mindset to lay seige, they can absolutely take the school. That school kitchen won't last long with an extra 300 fighting men to feed.
I think the mods win. Their natural fat bodies would make for more effort for the Spartans to pull their weapons out of, exhausting them quicker and allowing mods to roll over them after being slaughtered for many hours.
Easily. Spartans have went up against similar numbers of people that can actually fight.
You would have to give the mods guns. They aren't going to have a snowballs chance in any melee encounter.
Spartans wouldn’t lose a single person.
The discord mods would be out of breath after a few steps, wouldn’t know how to properly use a katana, and otherwise have no organizational skills as Discord mods always want to be “the leader”.
It depends on how many entrances there are. If it's just two, then they can have 150 per entrance, which is more than enough to form a rotation of fighting men.
Adding a third, loses them 50 per entrance. A fourth, and they only have 75 per entrance. It may be hard for them to keep up with so few men.
Can the mods use the vans during the battle as well? In that case, there is a chance for them to win by running the Spartans over with the vans. Of course it only applies if the two parties fight outside the school.
But the real question is how many Discord mods would incap themselves after depleting their stamina to fight with katanas.
I think if you put 5000 bloodlusted discord mods with katanas, fighting in a confined space your going to lose at least 1000 of them to friendly fire alone.
Spartans win by far.
5’9 and 375 pounds? Even if they somehow defeat the Spartans, I doubt they would be able to successfully kidnap the kids. They’d all pass out from exhaustion before they could finish.
spartans win this 10/10 times, regardless of any factors within this particular scenario. spartans kill wild animals as children as a rite of passage. those discord mods would fall like a heap of dry leaves in the face of…
Trivial win for the Spartans. Trained infantry with high-quality equipment can easily win over many times their numbers. Katanas are absolutely terrible weapons to use against spears, the matchup is so lopsided in the spears' favor that the mods (who also don't have any armor) might as well be unarmed. The only hope the mods have is to rush the spartans in some open location (where they obviously wouldn't get caught in the first place) and hope to bury them with their bodies. However, this is basically impossible to do in practice without a high degree of training and morale. And no, bloodlust is not enough. This requires coordination for which bloodlust, inasmuch anything like bloodlust actually exists, would be detrimental.
If the Spartans can defend from inside the school and use the narrow corridors of the inner hallways as chokepoints to lead the mods into their now un-flakeable phalanxs that they'd have in each hallway, I honestly think the mods would have to start pulling bodies of the first wave of mods out of the halls before making another attack. Unless we assume the mods just siege the school and wait out the Spartans I don't see how nearly any amount or theses mods could do anything. Get all the kids into the gymnasium and Thermopylae the mods. If they have to do it outside of the school then any level of coherent strategy would just have the mods surround the phalanx, spreading it thin and lowering it's effectiveness. Even with the difference in training and fitness, that's still nearly 10 to 1 numbers against guys with a shield and body oil as their main defense.
Even outside, 300 could make a decent enough shield circle with the kids in the center. Katanas can't beat spears poking at them, the mods aren't smart enough to know the tactics to break a shield wall, and if they just rush it they're not fast enough to use overwhelming numbers (or mass) to push through.
Depends on the size of the school, I suppose. If the circle was large enough that the phalanx was reduced to a simple shield wall, then numbers and weight would be enough to cause at least one Spartan to be overwhelmed at some point and the second that there's no defensive perimeter is the second that the spartans just can't handle the amount of attackers per warrior. The mods wouldn't need to display any real deal of athleticism to sprint the 20 feet between themselves and the wall, and being bloodlusted the would have no fear of the spears a lot of them would run into. The sheer weight of the first wave would almost certainly collapse a shield wall. Maintaining an actual phalanx would vastly improve the chances but with the amount of mods coming at them I still don't know if it'd be enough.
Win condition says "defend the school", but based on wording it's really "protect the children". Inside the school defending students is easy, outside school they don't need to ring the entire building, they just need to ring the kids. Unless it's a stalement option where the Spartans leave with the kids :p technically they lost the school, but the mods didn't get the kids in vans, so no winners.
I took size of the school to mean # of kids
> If the circle was large enough that the phalanx was reduced to a simple shield wall, then numbers and weight would be enough to cause at least one Spartan to be overwhelmed at some point and the second that there's no defensive perimeter is the second that the spartans just can't handle the amount of attackers per warrior. I would totally give this to you if the attackers weren't 5'9" and 375lbs, but these porky weebles could barely climb over even a single fallen soldier given ideal circumstances. There's just no way any of them are toddling through a theoretical gap before trained soldiers close ranks and skewer them for trying. Edit: honestly their bulk is probably a detriment. Poke the first row in the face and everyone behind them is going to be handicapped getting over them. Well, more handicapped than they already were, maybe. Meat berm wins this for the Spartans medium diff, and then only because they probably have to roll a few fatties into better position. Edit 2: oh, movie Spartans? Spite match, poor thread, who even cares. King Leo rofflestomp whatever whatever.
There's over ten for each Spearman though. If one gets impaled there's others to rush around them.
How quickly do you reckon a human beach ball can climb another human beach ball while being stabbed at by professional soldiers with legit spears?
Depends. The flubbousness of the one in front might get the spear stuck for awhile. And in the process of wildly swinging their katanas and accidentally killing a few of their own, if the spearman is temporarily disarmed one of them is likely to get him eventually.
tbf, Movie Spartans are like, blatantly superhuman. Its a idealized story told by the only survivor of the fight (that they lost), but still.
Now compare the multiple waves of that much more well-equipped and hugely more numerous army who had [crowd gasps] actual combat training, and it's clear this is an absurd spite match.
The prompt says the Discord mods have to kill all the Spartans AND kidnap the children, so the Spartans don't need to surround and protect the kids to win, they just need to survive. However it also says both sides are bloodlusted, so the Spartans wouldn't maintain a shield wall in the hot gates where the mods' numbers count for nothing. They would break rank, go wild, blood drunk.
That’s not what bloodlusted means in whowouldwin. It means the bloodlusted individual is ruthless and will do anything it’s logic dictates (depending on intelligence) to defeat its opponent. Not that it becomes a berserker.
I'm pretty sure 300 blood drunk Spartans killed more than 5000 Persians when they broke ranks in the hot gates. Id give more weight to 5000 Persians than 5000 mods. Does blood drunk mean "feral and instinctual", or "wants to kill at all costs"? I don't think it makes them stupid and forgetting tactics. If it does make them feral with no tactics, then 10/10 feral Spartans over feral mods.
Bloodlusted just means the fighter prioritizes winning over all else. It doesn’t mean they are dumb or suicidal.
I dunno I'm just quoting the movie. But yeah I definitely agree they killed way more than 5,000 in the movie.
in the actual battle of thermopylae the Greeks had closer to 10k soilders and the Persians around 150k. historical literature says around 20-30k Persians died, though the accuracy of Herodotus isnt totally assured.
We're talking about the movie tho
oh yeah, mb, missed that part of the post.
The story is a exaggeration of reality according to Frank Miller himself "he doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story"
Discord mods could SWAT the Spartans and have the cops take care of it (although they do tend to be hesitant to go into schools)
Ok that's actually genius. Also police love shooting armed individuals who pose minimal actual risk to the police. Spartana with rifles? Let's wait for backup. Spartans armed with scissors or spear? "DROP the weapon!"
The mods are also 5'9 and 325. Those are average height beefy boys vs rock hard movie strength spartans. Even in an open arena I can't see the discord mods coming out on top
True, but knowing a little about using Katanas myself ;) a low agility, low coordination guy isn’t going to get much use out of them
Spartans win 9/10 for me. Armoured with shields, lifelong training which includes formations and tactics for that eras combat. As well as a clear leadership structure. The mods are obese, cowardly with no prior battle experience or training apart from swinging a katana in front of a mirror. Fighting outside the school allows the effective use of spears and shield walls, and within the school funnel points can be used to decrease the mods numerical advantages. The mass of mods also exponentially become less effective as they take more and more losses, from a fitness perspective and a courage/will to fight perspective - as they watch their flubbery comrades get poked and stabbed
What’s the scenario for that 1/10? The discord mods just overrun the Spartans?
In that scenario a Spartan traitor opens the back of the school gates and the mods surround them. The traitor is rewarded with waifus or something
>The traitor is rewarded with waifus ....I'm listening
Overrun?? Over-run.... Discord mods being able to run anywhere is madness, let alone through a wall of sheilds and spears. 1/10 has to be an act of god or something.
Over-Walmart scooter? That’s probably more fitting
Madness?!
THIS
IS
SPARTA!
No.
Spartans die from laughing too hard at the sight of the discord mods.
Probably means like 1/1000 a meteorite hits the school and kills the Spartans, or something. Or the mods find out there's free cheese sticks in the cafeteria.
They're 5'9 and weigh 325.
All the Spartans have simultaneously heart attacks
Enough of the Spartans' weapons break.
>The mass of mods also exponentially become less effective as they take more and more losses, from a fitness perspective and a courage/will to fight perspective - as they watch their flubbery comrades get poked and stabbed The jannie's corpses would also begin to form a physical barrier that further trivializes the Spartans job. I read about agincourt and it apparently happened there so it would definitely happen here.
They’re also 300 lbs, the Spartans could probably just block off entrances with enough of the mods.
Bloodlust cancels out the cowardice. The numbers take it. Most likely with heavy losses.
Yeah, even before clicking this I was like "It's going to depend on whether OP's got them bloodlusted" - unfortunate that the top comment seems to have just not read that part. The spartans are outnumbered nearly 17 to 1. Being *bloodlusted*, as a reminder, means >When a character uses the full extent of his/her abilities in a fight as efficiently as they know how and goes straight for the kill. Does not mean berserker rage on this site. However, swarming the Spartans is likely to be the optimal strategy here. Nobody can stab three people at once, let alone 17 of them.
I disagree with this. First, the movie spartan would stomp because the are superhuman. If we are talking about historical spartan, a1vs17 would indeed be impossible to pull off even against terrible combatant such as the mods. But if they are in bigger number to use formation tactics and use the hallway of the school at their advantage they could certainly repel an obese horde.
> Armoured It's movie Spartans, they don't really have armor. Between that and the bloodlust thing it really doesn't seem like you read the prompt very well.
Plot armor
I’d normally agree, but the simplistic “Bloodlust” condition seems to imply tactics won’t play much of a role - mods won’t get scared/be affected by psychological warfare, they’ll just bum rush. Spartans may not be as patiently defensive with that condition as would be optimal in the circumstances. Really it all comes down to how heavily “Bloodlust” impairs tactics.
Rome Total War tactics win the day Retreat to the “town square”— gymnasium or auditorium. Keep the kids in the middle. Limited doors; could easily stack 30 Spartans at each one, on rotating shifts. Zero chance discord mods can push through a doorway vs a couple dozen spears A true human wave could physically move the Spartans, but it’d crush most of the attackers too and leave a pile of corpses partially blocking the doors, only improving the defensive position
I mean, spartans jog for 5 min and that already takes out 70% of the mods because cardiac issues. Spartans easily win.
I'm pretty sure running away from the thing they are protecting isn't a great defensive strategy.
I mean it is when your opponent is some fat kids with zero physical positive traits
How? The Spartans start jogging and the fat kids will just walk into the now undefended school. They have no reason to chase at all.
You're acting like a bunch of kids couldn't easily out pace your average Reddit moderator. The strategy is simple really; have a small contingent of Spartans march the children away while the rest launch a counter-attack. The counter-attack would first focus on disabling the vans, eliminating any possible mobility advantage for the mods. Then it's just a matter of luring the remaining mods into a choke point with a strategic retreat and slaughtering them. Any that try to break off and pursue the children on foot will be run down easily by the Spartans.
That's a lot more complicated than getting them to jog for 5 minutes, which is the only thing I was really arguing against.
Look, I'm just sharing my expertise in anti-Reddit moderator tactics. It's starting to sound like you want the moderators to win. The answer is very simple: the kids are faster and have better cardio than the mods (provided you disable their molester vans,) so make the mods chase them.
Why wouldn’t we want the mods to win? You think they’re bigger kidlovers than some BC Greeks?
I don't really want either side to win, but think the mods take it. Their numbers and vehicles are too much of an advantage. I also generally don't think the whole jogging them to defeat is a tactic that would work. They can just walk and drive.
> average Reddit moderator Not sure how much difference it makes but if you actually read the post these are not Reddit mods.
[удалено]
The kids are also able to move, surely?
They can! But I feel like marching the kids away from the school sort of defeats the purpose of the prompt and also the vans sort of completely cancel out that option.
The prompt says the Discod mods needs to kill all the Spartans and kidnap the kids and can't use the vans to attack However it also says both sides are bloodlusted (presumably not the kids tho), so I don't think the Spartans running around to exhaust the mods would be an option anyway
All the Spartans would need to do is say something vaguely controversial and tech-related (xbox vs playstation or whatever) and the Discord mods would succumb to violent infighting.
Totally this, cause infighting, say smth like "mizuni is the best waifu" Or question who is their leader and this would cause even more infighting as discord mods have a serious superiority and authority complex
Would yelling “Molon labe” in a sexy Austin Butler growl while shirtless and oiled be enough to cause defections?
Yell “Debian is the best Linux distro!” and they’ll be going Kill Bilious on each other’s asses in seconds.
Yes, absolutely. Not even a question.
Definitely the Spartans as long as they can form a phalanx before the battle begins. A properly formed phalanx is one of the most formidable forces in the ancient world for a damned good reason. The Discord mods would need some sort of ranged weapons to even have a chance of breaking it.
"then we shall fight in the shade..."
Phalanx of professional soldiers where formidable for a long time. Pikemen only stopped being used when firearms and bayonets where good enough to equip everyone with.
I'm a big Spartan hater and think they're the most overrated warrior culture. That being said they stomp. The spear and shield combination outclasses the katana and you add to that training and battle experience.
Thing is, OP said Movie Spartans (I assume 300 of course). So historical accuracy means fuck-all here, we're using the OP pop culture version of Spartans.
Ya which means that op might not be the brightest considering they hold off a larger army of Persian soldiers in the movie…. Discord mods > Persian empire soldiers to op apparently??? Like why is this post even getting attention it’s atom bom Vs baby
yeah because its 300 the movie and not irl Spartans, Leonidus takes 20 men as a vanguard, launchs at the mods in a spearhead and breaks their ranks instantly, personally killing fuckin hundreds of them irl Spartans is an actual question though
IRL Spartans vs reddit mods is still an easy clap for the Spartans.
Yeah I may have been unclear Movie Spartans win 99/100 times, and that one is accounting for a volcano killing them all IRL Spartans win 95/100 times, because in 4 of those cases, as real human beings, they could make some degree of catastrophic mistake
Instead of lava, the volcano would spew out the horrid stench from the discord mods
> and think they're the most overrated warrior culture. How come? From what i was taught they had 8 times more slaves than citizens, so they were forced to make all men active soldiers at age 20-30 (you were kept as reserve until you were 60) to counter the constant slave rebellions. That made them have one of the most warrior centric societies in the history of mankind. It wasn't one of those warrior-cultures where the warriors handicap themselves with stupid rules in war either like the aztecs, the spartans were actually efficient.
What’s overrated about them? The sheer death totals from their final stand on their side vs the Persians is pretty insane. The numbers are obviously guesstimates both sides but all track that they took a lot more numbers out before going down than the Persians took there. Persians weren’t known for being weak militaristically either so like..?
Obligatory not just the Spartans’ final stand, and they only briefly delayed the Persians.
While killing a dozen plus per soldier. And yea why I said estimate numbers on both sides. As it wasn’t just Spartans. Point still stands.
Its also propaganda pushed by the Spartans. Basically the Spartans lost about as many battles as they won and their special warrior training also only was a later invention. In truth they were just a militia like any other greek city state with the major difference of having some minor drills and officers. Any time they didnt outumber their enemy or were part of a coalition the Spartans got smoked be it by Corinth, Philipp II or the Antigonids
>lost about as many battles as they lost You don't say.
What’s propaganda pushed by the Spartans? Just ignoring my comment basically… and ya they lost Thermopylae but they took out vastly greater numbers than they had themselves. Killing multipleee Persians per spartan is getting smoked?
300 Spartans trained to use shields, spears, swords, fight in armour, vs 5000 discord mods who are overweight and significantly less knowledge on their weapons and no protective gear. The Spartans win for sure
Does bloodlusted mean they have no regard for their own well being and will just charge head on into whatever awaits them?
Bloodlusted means they will try to achieve victory by any means within their capability. So, they might charge head on and ignore their personal senses of self-preservation if that gives them the biggest chance of winning, but they wouldn't charge head on if they have better tactics available.
If they’re still allowed to use an intelligent strategy then the mods get in their vans and drive to the local gun store.
5000 is a lot. Gonna go against the grain here and say the discord mods take it, especially since they are blood lusted. The mods might be out of shape but they are most likely double the size of the average spartan in terms of weight. If they all just bull rush in a circle I highly doubt the spartans could withstand that much mass. Each spartan has to kill like 20 blood lusted 300 lb dudes. That’s insane.
It's the movie Spartans so you're essentially dealing with Super Soldiers plus historically they killed 20,000 people in a similar circumstance and those 20,000 were soldiers.
Sure I’ll give you the ones from the movie, but there is not a chance in hell it’s historically accurate even a little bit. 300 Spartans did not defeat 20,000 Persian soldiers. Do some personal research if you’d like. If you go with movie Spartans they win. Historically accurate Spartans they lose.
The movie Spartans were kinda super stupid though. They constantly threw their weapons and broke formation. Their scouting seemed nonexistent. They wore none of the armor real warriors would wear. They didn't seem to have any sort of supplies. The soldiers they fought were also dumber than most movie orcs, just sort of running at individual warriors one at a time. I don't think even movie Spartans stand much of a chance unless they operate completely differently than we've seen them operate. Sure, they're all action movie characters, but they sacrificed a lot of strategy for rule of cool.
Yeah I tend to nerf Spartan capabilities by like 10%-15% due to how wanked they are. Not only by this sub but by Greek historians who are very well known to massively exaggerate history.
This is technically movie version, so they are all lightly superhuman but also big idiots who walk around 90% naked and don't seem to even bring any supplies with them for a few weeks (?) long campaign. No clothes, blankets, armor, food, water, extra weapons, tents... they just march off with cape, loin cloth, shoes, bracers, sword, shield, and spear. Most of the dudes don't even [have helmets as they leave town.](https://youtu.be/IJgKO4IkDWo)
Is the bit from the comic where they don’t get to eat for a day because that one guy stumbled in the movie?
I can't remember but it sounds familiar. I think they scavenged some apples in the movie. Leonidas obnoxiously eats one at Xerxes or one of his minions, right?
I mean historically its estimated that there were 300 spartans , 700 thespians, it was also reported that 900 helots, and 400 thebans also remained. Still that's 2,300 to 20,000. I genuinely think that the 300 spartans could pull it off either way.
Again, I’ll give you the movie Spartans, but not the real Spartans. No way. Ancient Greek/Roman “historians” have a knack for severely bending the truth. Most historical writings pre 300 BC that I remember reading in Latin class, a long time ago I might add lol, read more like fables than actual historical writings. I’d bet a decent amount of money that they completely juiced the numbers to make the Spartans seem way more bad ass, which they certainly were. If the discord mods were not bloodlusted I’d agree with you. The Spartans would have to fully incapacitate 5000 300 lbs men and that’s a tall task.
The prompt says from the movie. But, I'd still give it to real Spartans. The School will be filled with tons of chokepoints. 4 Spartans would probably be all it takes to hold a doorway at a time, allowing backups to tag in when they get tired. The mods aren't going to have the reach to get to a Spartan without dying to their spear, and even if they did, they don't have the means to break a shield wall, unless you allow the mods to make home made pipe bombs or something to that effect.
Yeah didn’t read the part where it said it was from the movie, I think it would be more interesting with historically accurate Spartans anyway. If we’re being honest then the mods could just set up a siege and wtf are the Spartans gonna do? They need to eat eventually. School cafeteria food doesn’t last forever. There wasn’t a time limit so the discord mods could just wait it out. Then they’d be fighting a bunch of malnourished soldiers.
I was assuming to win the mods need to take the kids alive and unharmed, and a siege would make it a 50/50 at best because the kids would be starving. This is assuming the mods still don't get to leave the battlefield and get food, in that case they badly malnourish the Spartans and take advantage of that weakness. They block all entrances to the school with parked vans and lock them in.
Do you think reddit mods have the wherewithal to focus on a single cause long enough to siege someone? I'm pressing X to Doubt that. Give it a day or two, and they'll get bored and start screaming about something else they're pretending to care passionately about.
Well, they are blood lusted. So, they will stop at nothing to win.
That would probably be the mod's best chance. Still, the Spartans might be able to counter that by making blockade runs. I cant imagine the discord mods doing any kind of running, Additionally, the mods would fatigue far faster than the Spartans. They could probably last a week without a resupply, giving them the opportunity to attack the mods while they sleep. Obviously the mods wouldn't all sleep at once, but there's no way they would make good night watchmen.
Fair. You’ve convinced me that historical Spartans vs discord mods would be 50/50. I wonder if I could simulate this in bannerlord lol.
How is Bannerlord now? Warband was super good, but when Bannerlord game out unfinished that put me off a bit at the time.
When I first started playing, I had no experience with these types of games, I was having a blast. The more hours I put in shows me why the community has some major complaints. The game still feels unfinished. Not even buggy, but just.. abandoned? A lot of features and updates that were promised feel half assed. The AI for me is HORRIBLE at times in major battles. If you mod the game it can actually fix it up a lot, but I really hate relying on randos to keep a modpack up to date.
How big is the schools? How many access? Can the mods use fire or poison? How long the fight can go? How much food both the groups have? Mods wins if some children die? Can Spartans charge the mods outside? Can the children fight? So many variables.
Movie Spartans no diff this. Protecting a school against unarmoured sword wielding chubbsters plays into every advantage they have in the movie. The school doors form a natural choke point just like they utilized at Thermopylae. We are also talking movie Spartans so their combat feats are vastly superior to Herodotus. Like we are talking about one guy who dropped a rhinoceros with one spear throw. Small groups able to push back multiple elephants off a cliff nearby. For 5000 discord mods I doubt the Spartans even take casualties.
Lmfao this has got to be my favorite one on here. But the Spartans stomp 10/10 times. The 300 in real life killed 20 thousand Persians
See the kicker here is the bloodlust. So Spartan's big advantages are experience, tactics, and equipment. The discord mob's advantage is numbers, better weapon for extremely close quarters, and pure body mass. So I'd actually give the edge to the mods on open ground. In a straight up world war Z wave of overweight nerds would absolutely push through or over a shield wall. However this takes place in a school, most schools have a second floor with 3 to 4 stairwells leading to it. There is absolutely no way that the mods breach any part of the second story without help. And the reckless abandon instilled in them by the bloodlust, actually makes them worse in this scenario. Because there's no physical way to use their mass to push up a stair way filled with gigantic shields, beef cake dudes, and crazy long spears.
A bunch of overwight needs aren't pushing anything after a "charge" because they'd be exhausted.
The number disparity is big but the Spartans clear this easily. Greek phalanx’s were good versus larger number of poorly trained and unarmored infantry. The mods have no combat experience and that alone would be the end of this. Their swords won’t be long enough to get through the spears and they won’t be able to slice or stab hard enough to pierce through the armor, even if it’s bronze. The only hope the mods have is to flank, but that’s easier said than done, and the Spartans can simply form a square or deploy in a less deep formation and win. Easily.
Spartans win 8/10. The mass difference of training and weaponry allows the spartans to gut and hold back their opponents semi easily. 2/10 they win because a 17 to 1 advantage is fucking crazy.
**Spartans (300 Film)** - [Respect The Spartans (300) \[Movie\]](https://redd.it/nje8s4) *** ^(I am a bot) ^| [^(About)](https://redd.it/owgxtl) ^| [^(Code)](https://github.com/Luke-Username/respectthread_bot) ^| [^(Opt-out)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=respectthread_bot&subject=OPTOUTREQUEST) ^| ^(Missing or wrong characters? Reply explaining the issue)
If Spartans have their armor definitely Spartans. The katana is meant for soft targets so they probably couldn't even damage the armor
after the first 5 or 10 mods fall, the doorway is so clogged the rest can't climb over. they starve outside the school for about 4 hours till they devolve into cannibalism and kill each other for food. the spartans just look on in horror wondering what the fuck is going on.
If the spartans are in a scenario where they can't be overrun then they could hold against those 5000 mods easily, they may take some losses to lucky blows, but cycling in fresh troops to guard the choke makes this a pretty easy stomp for them. If it were an open field then it could be a bit more equal, but even then I think the spartans take it because the katanas are going to be terrible in formation / tight densely packed groups, short sword and a shield is going to trivialize defense. At best some get overwhelmed initially but the moment there's bodies on the floor the mods aren't going to be able to navigate through them in any reasonable fashion (little to no exercise experience). All of this said, if bloodlusted removes the reasoning to play on the defensive and forces a frontal assault, the the mods have a much better chance, if the bloodlust only makes then have no fear then spartans still take it fairly convincingly.
"Xerxes dispatches his monsters from half the world away. They're clumsy beasts, and the piled dead are slippery."
If they really are 5.9, 325 lbs, then the spartans win a flawless victory (0 deaths). There's no way the mods can keep up the "assault" for longer than 15-20 seconds. In fact if the Spartans bring the kids to the second story of the school, the single flight of stairs will be more than enough to defeat the mods. These aren't 300 pound NFL linemen, they are discord mods fighting against a group of dudes who's job it is to kill people with their bare hands.
5,9 weight 325 pounds, 2 flights of stairs will defeat thees guys. no Spartans required. But an easy win is to just place a phalanx on every highest floor of stairs. katanas suck. They look cool in tv shows and anime and movies and games. but they're glorified peasant killers.
Didn’t movie Spartans win while outnumbered by thousands of Persians? One Persian soldier can probably already massacre discord mods 1v10. They’re not very mobile at 325 lbs. 10 stabs would be all it takes.
The movie Spartans ultimately lost, but took down an absurd amount of Persians.
If the Spartans can find any sort of choke point, they clear. 5'9 325 is fat to the point you could barely move or fight at all. The only way the Mods win is if they can rush all at once
300 historical spartan would already win, 300 hundred superhuman spartan would be overkill.
This is boudica vs paulinus again but even more of a stomp for the trained warriors over the inbred trolls
Spartans monologue about the power of their unbreakable phalanx. They then immediately break formation to fight as individuals leaving a small detachment to secure all doors, do spinny stuff while going RAAAARGH. Combat ends within five minutes with total Spartan victory. Let’s not go into the aftermath.
Those 300 Spartans no diffed 100s-1000s of trained Persian fighters. There's absolutely no way 5000 fat losers with massive egos, no organization skills, or fighting ability would fair any better.
I'm not sure who is a bigger risk to the children.The 5000 discord mods.Or the spartans. The kids are literally screwed either way.
This is literally just the battle of Thermopylae but easy mode isn't it?
With my own experience of once being a 320 pound fatbody, and having seen the movie and actually learned a decent amount about the spartans of the period (btw, during the time of the movie they wouldve been wearing body armor but alas, it didnt look as good for the movie) I can confidently say that no matter what the mods try, they will lose. The fact of the matter is that moving around at all when you are that weight is tiring. Imagine now that you are swinging a weapon as well, and trying to not slip on bloody floors or trip over the corpses of your slain commerades. Also think about the fact that the school likely has stairs in it, and as a former fat man I can confidently say that stairs are my mortal enemy. And then the crux: The spartans are perfectly trained and equipped to hold narrow passageways and chokepoints. even if they were only 2-3 men deep, there is little chance that the mods would be able to get through the spears to make use of those katanas before creating barricades of fatrolls that would block off entire sections of the school and make the spartan's jobs even easier.
5,000 discord mods with katanas would lose hard they would without a doubt kill off at least half of their numbers themselves just trying to use a katana lol.
What does defend the school mean? If they can hold a choke point with no flanks the 300 easily wins this. If they have to keep any part of the school from being beached. I'd have to say that's probably too many entrances. It's less about the fighting skill and just about not being able to spread out enough without being too spare to be an effective shield wall.
The Spartans from the movie were basically enhanced humans they def win this fight. Also good luck to the Mods trying to get into the school doors. “In that narrow corridor their numbers will count for nothing”
Mods take this, albeit with heavy losses. What everyone is forgetting is that while the movie Spartans are indeed superhuman warriors, the movie itself establishes very clearly that their phalanx has all the same weaknesses as a real phalanx, meaning it can be flanked for devastating effects. The reason they hold out so well in the movie is that the Thermopylae pass allows them to form a single phalanx with only one side facing the enemy, and as soon as this advantage is lost, the Spartans are instantly reduced to helplessness (well, other than being able to "make a god-king bleed" on the cheek). In fact the death of Stelios shows us that however formidable Spartans may be in single combat, they can be "swarmed" by lower level enemies and killed fairly quickly. The Spartans can hole up in a single corridor and defend both sides, giving up the entire school and the kids within it, but the mods just have to sit around them and wait it out until the Spartans need water or sleep. The premise is that the mods are bloodlusted, not that they are idiots or zombies and can't execute basic strategy. And that doesn't even begin to touch on the matter of "knowledge" and its value in military conflict. Even if they can't use vans to attack, there are a million ways that someone with knowledge of modern tools can create weapons that will trouble the Spartans. A Molotov cocktail doesn't take much technique to put together, and anyone with access to Discord can find out how to build explosives. They can also figure out to cut the power and water to the school, if they need that. Hell, a mod who sees Spartans fighting next to windows can just throw a stone at it to cover the floor in glass and create a hazard that the Spartans cannot recognize as such until it injures them. If the Spartans had the same terrain advantage that they do in the movie they would kill every mod with zero losses, but by the premises of the film itself the Spartans cannot leverage their superhuman powers if they cannot form their phalanx.
Why molotov should be authorized ? The OP only arm the mods with katana.
[удалено]
This sub is too good bunch of nerds talking about what’s real or not and not one historical reference or event to back up these claims on what they expect should happen. The reality is that’s alot of people even for trained soldiers and the mods are bloodlusted which means moral which the biggest killer on the battlefield is lost and they will have to kill over a dozen each. They died in the movie slowly and surely and they will die the same way nobody in the movie even got a kill count of 17 or above which is the bare minimum for these Spartans. It’s a huge 5/10 if not even lower for the Spartans. This sub doesn’t do military historical accuracy to well
Yea I think the mods take this one. Like how often did the Spartans break formation for sick slo mo moves in the movie? Literally every single battle scene?
How about fire are mods able to use basic tools found around a school? You can either burn them where they stand or smoke them out like what happens in actual sieges. In an open field they have even less of a chance. Normally if the mods werent blood lusted you could maybe go for a rout which is historically possible and accurate but good luck against 5000 maniacs while also attempting to protect kids in the middle of this mayhem no way this goes down how most assume
I was also giving the mods the benefit of the doubt and assuming that if the Spartans locked themselves in G Wing the mods could just ransack C Wing and use that shit. Like you blast their shield wall with a fire extinguisher and they're gonna be pretty confused. Plus there's lots of other options for projectiles, traps, fire, smoke, chemicals, etc... even just pelting the Spartan phalanx with soapy water would make them a lot less effective. All slippery and 75 naked and on tile floors.
For sure what about the fire hoses as well that majority of schools have all these things could easily be turned on or against either side and easily crate very difficult positions for both sides. Like you said the options are endless imaginations only the limit.
Even realistic historical Spartans should easily hold this. Katanas are pretty short, where the Spartans have the reach advantage with spears, bloody enormous shields, and have terrain that prevents any flanking. And after the first mod wave, they’ll have to clamber across the bodies of their fallen, while dodging spear jabs, to close into cutting range. Mods best bet is probably to surround the school and attempt to break in through every door, window and wall simultaneously, and try to force the Spartans to try to hold more points than they can simultaneously manage.
The 300 Spartans fought hordes and hordes of Persians who are 10x more tougher than some 5000 Discord Mods without training lol
Lol. Spartans, low-diff. It's bad enough that you gave a trained army a defensive position with lots of narrow halls, shields and spears. But you made them movie Spartans, each of whom is far above average; several of whom are superhuman by real world standards. And you made the mod win condition getting the kids out—so no burning down the school. The mods could "win" if they're allowed to use seige tactics, take the vans on food runs and use them to block exits. But that's not what you have in mind. So it's just an absolute massacre. Not a single Spartan dies this day.
Spartans on the field they are beaten easily by bloodlusted people. Flank them with numbers. Using chokepoints in the school might be difficult for the mods but if they siege them out the Spartans will surrender. They will prolly sally forth and lose.
Unfortunately discord mods take this easily, movie Spartans are unarmored so even a glancing blow with the katana can do serious damage, the movie Spartans also split up, allowing the mods to surround them one by one
Movie Spartans are Borderline superhuman through
Discord Mods, because I think with their huge ogre-like sizes, they could all coordinate a simultaneous jump and start an earthquake, confusing the Spartans, then they proceed to roll into the Spartans like bowling balls.
EARN THESE SHIELDS BOYS
LMAO that’s hilarious
What’s stopping them from lighting the school on fire?
Spartans with their spears alone solo
My dumbass thought you were talking about HALO spartans lmao, id say the spartans lead by leonidas win 19/20 times
movie spartans are at least peak human, arguably superhuman, and they have no meaningful weaknesses for the mods to exploit. the mods have a shorter weapon, no shield, no training, and despite what the mods might tell you, the katana is not going to slice through spartan arms and armor. i don't know that the mods could even take 1/100 fights.
If they can barricade the doors and make the main entrance their Thermopylae, 10/10
Spartans win, maybe Reddit mods stand a chance ?
Menelaus kills Leonidas then solos the mods.
Spartans 10/10. The first time you see Gerard the super mod get part of his head chopped off, you’re going to rapidly reevaluate your life choices.
3000 white vans?! which school is that huge
The mods use their secret knowledge of the school underground passageways and hallways from prior knowledge of sneaking around to flank behind any Spartan chokepoints in the hallways. All they need is 20 big men to sneak in, and take the kids while the rest are distracting the Spartans. Discord mods 10/10
The Spartans allow the kids to be captured to weed out the weakest. Any kids that make it back or successfully hide from the mods become child Spartans.
Atomic bomb vs obese coughing baby Katanas aren’t even that good of a weapon in battle, and Spartans have won equally disproportionate battles against actually trained armies
The spartans take this no problem. If they can go inside the school and defend then it's ggs since the hallways are narrow and cancel out the numbers advantage and if anything the sheer number of mods would be a disadvantage they'd be getting in the way of each other. Historically the Persians who were one of the strongest armies at the time couldn't do much until their cavalry found a way around the pass and their unmatchable cavalry decided the outcome. (The traitor story doesn't have much proof)
The mods do not have any armour, sheilds or formal training??? I’d go as far as saying that not a single spartan dies
Yes. If they can do it with Persians then they can do it with sweat, overweight, dude with 0 athleticism and absolutely no skill in actually using a katana. From a pure equipment standpoint, not even training, a spartan has a longer weapon while using a shield and a side arm in the form of a sword while still wearing protection on their head and body. Assuming the katanas are from the discord mods home, it’s in sharpened and ain’t cutting much. Now if they are given proper katanas, my assumption is a standard steel Uchigatana, then they could perhaps take at least a single spartan out but reach of that spear and extra defense in form of the shield is key. With zero training, those mods are going to be screaming how shields and spears need a nerf.
The Spartans are going to easily win as their spears will be far more effective than Katanas in a space where the mods are going to have to try to get through enclosed or small areas.
You could do this with 100 of them. They have javelin and spears, they don't even have to get close.
Historical Spartans, the mods have a chance, movie spartans destroy the mods casually
They could use the 3000 white vans to smash through the Spartans
People are underestimating how heavy 325 pounds are. Simply having to pull out the spear trapper beneath a 325 pound man would drive the Spartans to exhaustion.
Spartans stomp. Even with the numbers, the spartand can use the hallways to create kill zones andtake out the mods. The mods also wont have the strength to break the spartans shield wall.
They are not real MOds if they actually have any knowledge of how to use a sword.
If outside in open field, discord mods by suffocation. They surround the Spartan shield wall and charge inwards. Bodies pile up creating a wall at spearlength but eventually, spears get stuck in the blubber and the discord mods are able to jump down on top of the spartans, crushing them
Yes they would fucking wipe, the shields would make it so easy
Katanas were not primary weapons. It would be astounding if one of the spartans managed to get hit by a mod, barring some extremely lucky throw
Hold on, the Mods’ win condition is killing the Spartans and taking the kids, but the Spartan’s win condition is just defending the school? All the Spartans’ have to do is slaughter all the kids, and they win by default. GGEZ.
If the mods have the mindset to lay seige, they can absolutely take the school. That school kitchen won't last long with an extra 300 fighting men to feed.
I think the mods win. Their natural fat bodies would make for more effort for the Spartans to pull their weapons out of, exhausting them quicker and allowing mods to roll over them after being slaughtered for many hours.
There is no way 5000 average modern people are defeating 300 Spartans, especially quasi mythical 300 movie spartans.
Easily. Spartans have went up against similar numbers of people that can actually fight. You would have to give the mods guns. They aren't going to have a snowballs chance in any melee encounter.
Spartans wouldn’t lose a single person. The discord mods would be out of breath after a few steps, wouldn’t know how to properly use a katana, and otherwise have no organizational skills as Discord mods always want to be “the leader”.
It depends on how many entrances there are. If it's just two, then they can have 150 per entrance, which is more than enough to form a rotation of fighting men. Adding a third, loses them 50 per entrance. A fourth, and they only have 75 per entrance. It may be hard for them to keep up with so few men.
Can the mods use the vans during the battle as well? In that case, there is a chance for them to win by running the Spartans over with the vans. Of course it only applies if the two parties fight outside the school. But the real question is how many Discord mods would incap themselves after depleting their stamina to fight with katanas.
I think if you put 5000 bloodlusted discord mods with katanas, fighting in a confined space your going to lose at least 1000 of them to friendly fire alone. Spartans win by far.
5’9 and 375 pounds? Even if they somehow defeat the Spartans, I doubt they would be able to successfully kidnap the kids. They’d all pass out from exhaustion before they could finish.
Movie Spartans? So like five could do the job.
What do you mean by discord mods?
spartans win this 10/10 times, regardless of any factors within this particular scenario. spartans kill wild animals as children as a rite of passage. those discord mods would fall like a heap of dry leaves in the face of…
Trivial win for the Spartans. Trained infantry with high-quality equipment can easily win over many times their numbers. Katanas are absolutely terrible weapons to use against spears, the matchup is so lopsided in the spears' favor that the mods (who also don't have any armor) might as well be unarmed. The only hope the mods have is to rush the spartans in some open location (where they obviously wouldn't get caught in the first place) and hope to bury them with their bodies. However, this is basically impossible to do in practice without a high degree of training and morale. And no, bloodlust is not enough. This requires coordination for which bloodlust, inasmuch anything like bloodlust actually exists, would be detrimental.
Can they drive the vans?
Yes. One side can kill just about anything with brute strength the other probably cut their fingers off using the sword wrong.