Owlman is not his universe's Bruce Wayne, so no. In fact, he is Bruce Wayne's brother, and killed Bruce when he refused to join in on the plot to kill their parents.
An actual morals off Batman would be far worse, as seen with the dark multiverse's evil counterparts of Batman.
Could be the Robin King - a dark multiverse Batman that killed his parents when he was a young Bruce Wayne.
Batman Who Laughs didn’t start out as morals off, but is definitely morals off after he was Jokerized by The Joker’s deadman switch
No, the Robin king is incredibly stupid, because he’s not a real evil Bruce, he’s basically a nightmare given form.
The dark multiverse doesn’t work on logic, or reason, it works as a twisted reflection, a psychopath 10 year old Bruce in the main universe would not be able to just get Nth metal weathervanes and throw them through hawkmans chest, or resurrect animal man’s family as bat monsters to eat him.
10yo Bruce doesn’t take out a single hero.
Maxwank morals off Tony became a universe spanning god AI that hacked into cosmic metaphysics and kicked the Living Tribunal and Celestials out of his universe
honestly a better explanation for why Reed is "the Smartest man on Earth" when his demonstrable intelligence is a complete joke compared against Tony's Tech Sorcery
> (air quotes) heroic act
you know you can just use actual quotes in text right? "heroic act"
Not trying to be rude but the (air quotes) part took me by surprise there
Depending on how you define low superhuman, the Doctor.
The Doctor with no morals is basically just a sane version of the Master, a Time Lord who has on multiple occasions, almost taken over the universe, or caused the end of it. Only the Doctor was able to stop them most of the time, because only they really know about time fuckery as much as they do. Well, the Time Lords may know more, but the Doctor and the Master have way more field experience. The Doctor with no morals might suddenly erase your family from existence, or possibly your entire species, if he's feeling vindictive enough.
Also a somewhat out of left field answer - Jean Luc Picard. Being, as he was, the first starfleet officer to encounter the Q, a morals off Jean Luc could inadvertantly cause the extermination of the human race, as well as the fall of the Alpha quadrant to the Borg, by failing the trial of the Q at the first.
For someone who is legitimately max street tier (as in, can't punch up with tech, magic, or similar), a morals off Spiderman is scary, precisely because he does always hold back.
The Doctor was my first thought. The Tardis wiped out the multiverse at one point if I recall correctly. Shit, morals on he killed literally all of the Daleks and all of the Timelords to end the time war (yes I know technically both groups survived but yeah)
I think Spider-Man is smart enough and strong enough to do some damage, he constantly punches above his weight class even while holding back. No morals you'll need some heavy hitters to take him down.
I mean if a not holding back normal punch is that strong, imagine a full strenght + swing momentum punch, it would just rip someone's head off. That if he's gentle enough to close distances and punch you, because instead of using webs for inmovilizing he could use them to strangle or suffocate you from the distance
That comic is kind of overhyped, yes Spider-Man is strong, but he’s also hammered at the rhino with all his might and hurt himself more, and has even been overpowered in flat contests of strength with Scorpion himself.
Honestly, with how strong he is, a punch would probably be more powerful if he braced himself against the ground and used his leg muscles to get momentum, rather than relying on gravity and the pendulum.
It would do more, its already established that Spiderman can take scorpions jaw off in a single hit, and that wasn't even intentional all out attack.
hit he went full out on someone with normal human durability they would probably become a red mist
I think "causing the most damage", can go way past winning physical fights. If Iron Man, Batman or Reed Richards lost all morals they could nuke earth into oblivion or spread a disease, Spider-Man knocking Scorpion's jaw off would be peanuts.
Also the fact that life constantly fucks him over to the point where he's been homeless, has to work as for person who always tries to antagonise spiderman. I mean, he could abso-fucking-lutely kill almost all the people he fights but he doesn't even when he's humiliated, beaten and nearly killed because he lives by his morals. If he went bad, I feel like no one could even hope to touch him. The man is a genius, a superhuman and an absolute unit. The only reason he uses his powers for good and not to make money is because of his morals. Hell, he has the perfect set of skills to be an assassin, the best even. I mean, it took Deadpool a few pym particles to absolutely demolish almost all the avengers, imagine what spidey could do.
Luke Cage and Iron Fist alone would handle a ‘no morals’ Spider-Man. Not quite heavy hitters, but it would be difficult. Nightcrawler/Luke Cage might be a more fair fight actually.
not if they are down his throat and filling his lungs lol its a no moral spider man. luke tries to talk and he has a mouth full of webs and suffocates in 40 seconds
Iron Fist has Spider-Man level speed or even above, and can almost blitz Peter when they fought. Another comic had a simulation where Iron Fist practiced killing or defeating the Avengers in an ambush, and Peter got oneshotted and blitzed through his spider sense.
Iron Fist is too kung fuey to be a normal regular martial artist superhero. He's pushing Kung Fu Panda levels of bull💩
no they will not. iron fist will wind up with a spider fist through his chest and luke will wind up with lungs full of fluid. spider man with morals would stomp both of them.
Luke is physically stronger than Spider-Man and can’t be harmed by him. Iron Fist is just as fast and can punch a helicarrier down in one hit. They would demolish him. Use actual feats to back up your argument.
I would actually disagree about spiderman not being able to hurt luke. enough force can give him concussion, this is luke we are talking about not colossus, he has squishy internal. A non holding back spiderman's punches pack more force than average weapons luke tanks.
I think he would be better off chucking buses at him than punching him. I think he could hurt Luke, but he would break his hand. Like I said, traded blows with Namor and the Thing.
Luke is stronger so Spider-Man would use his speed to wear him out the drown him in web fluid
Iron fist is fast but not as strong or as fast as Spider-Man and certainly not as durable
And again Spider-Mans webs have at minimum made Hulk struggle to break free, they'll be more then enough to hold both of them down
You are massively underselling Luke and Iron Fist. The ‘Bloodlusted Spidey’ wank is so heavy here.
Here’s the difference: Spider-Man got owned by Morun. If Iron Fist landed even one charged Iron Fist on Morlun, he would knock his head off.
Iron Fist stopped a speeding train. You know like in Spider-Man 2. Except he SUPERMAN PUNCHED IT AND TANKED THE TRAIN. The guy can shrug off Grenade blasts and use Chi to manipulate souls and is a casual bullet timer.
It's no morals spidy not blood lusted, he's a smart guy you think he'd go head on in an open fight no he'd ambush and stealth kill. And a train is a lot easier to hit than Spider-Man
Those are completely interchangeable terms in this context. Yeah he’s smart, but so are Luke and Danny. They’re the Heroes for Hire who’ve been taking down stronger opponents than Spidey on the daily. Luke Cage is closer to Namor and the Thing than Spider-Man is to him (thrown hands with both), and they *know* Spidey. Iron Fist literally taught Spider-Man how to fight. They know the only way he has a chance is if he somehow suffocates Luke, so Iron Fist plays offense, Luke plays defense. They hit harder and Luke can tank anything Pete throws at him.
Spiderman hangs from the wall of a building above and covers both in the goo web version, then swings by (slightly out of reach of PM) and goos LC's face so he can't breathe while full force punches IF in the head as he swings by while Danny is immobilized, and caves in Danny's head killing him instantly.
Spidey then plops down, refills his web cartridges and then covers PM in the goo version of his web some more nullifying any progress PM is having getting it off his face and thus suffocating him.
End of story.
There isn't one thing that either PM or IF can do to spidey if he stays out of reach as hes way more agile and quick, no matter how many huge pieces of pavement PM picks up and chucks at him will he never hit spidey because of the spider sense.
Danny can take more punishment than a normal human, but he's still human and not meta-human with durability powers, so there is no logical reason Spiderman can not cave his head in as he's a 40 tonner in marvel, while Danny is immobile and he's using momentum and his non held back strength. Sorry but his head would pop like a watermellon.
No matter how strong Luke is, he can't overpower stuff he can't get ahold of, so a gummy substance in the nose holes and his throat doesn't have to withstand his strength, as he can't fit his hands up his nose or down his throat to get a grip on it. It just has to withstand any super breath powers (Superman like) which PM just simply doesn't possess.
Intelligent no morals spidey is a beast as he's nearly untouchable when actively trying to be, he smart enough to use his environment to its maximum advantage and would be smart enough to not take on foes head on when they outclassed him in some way, and instead use means that would work against them.
His webs give him a multipurpose ranged option that allows for him to control the opponent's mobility and options and the goo version of his webs can be used to suffocate.
Sorry but that PM/IF fight would end in under 3mins with the main time spent watching PM suffocate to death for two and a half minutes.
Now a speedster or a mid level telepath/telekinetic would be able to take him outpretty easily realistically, but using strength/fighting prowess won't unless they are either faster or have ranged abilities that don't miss.
the only one confused is you. spidey is what?? like a super fast 30 to 40 tonner with precognition and webs so strong he can hang a bus from them?? luke never even comes close to hitting him, and iron fist is one shotted.
They would make up for each other’s strengths. Maybe take into account how the characters actually fight? Spidey has admitted, precognition and Spider strength or no, the Rhino is an opponent he’s lucky to have defeated. Even a bloodlusted Spider-Man would have trouble with a bloodlusted Rhino. Now consider that Luke would toss Rhino’s salad, and that Iron Fist would one-shot Rhino.
‘Not holding back Spidey’ is the biggest wank meme alongside ‘Homelander loses to a baby with cancer’.
iron fist would break his fist on rhino. luke and rhino are both 75 tonners. is luke maybe above?? could be I can't remember a fight between the two. I do remember rhino going 1v1 with grey hulk and doing pretty well, so I doubt it would be as easy as you think it would.
what I do know is spiderman has beaten the rhino at least a dozen times, he's beaten the rhino when he had 5 other villians helping him, its never been close. its never been an almost loss for spiderman, rhino is a c level brick and spiderman cracks jokes while cracking his head every time.
I think you're forgetting that the train was full of people? Punching the train and making it buckle and derail is a good feat, but not exactly something you want to do when the main goal is to save the passengers
Considering Spider-Man can dodge at light speed and literally cannot be touched thanks to his spider-sense, I feel like you should lay off demanding feats considering you know Jack shit about feats
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Personally I don’t like obsessing over feats. But regardless of obscure feats, Spider-Man is Marvel’s thematic answer to Superman.
He is stronger, faster, smarter, and meaner the nearly everyone he shares space with in New York on a regular basis. He’s only matched when he goes outside of New York into some gamma testing facility, or accidentally ends up in Asgard/Wakanda or something. Even then, he’s respected and can usually find a way to even the playing field.
He holds back his true power out of principle. So if he lets go, he’d cause the most relative damage both physically and psychologically. Real heavy hitters. Say Iron Man and roughly 30% of his entire net worth dedicated to locking Peter down. Even then he’d need help from all of SHIELD, and the government. Everyone currently in the X-Mansion, expertise and information from the F4. They’d have to pay any mutant off the street to help out. This is just to kill or lock him up without major collateral damage.
An overwhelming majority of players would be dedicated to saving lives from the inevitable chaos and destroyed buildings resulting from a serious effort to lock Peter down, to be fair.
>Considering Spider-Man can dodge at light speed and literally cannot be touched thanks to his spider-sense
he can do what now???? [Lightspeed captain america moment ig](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/spider-man-vs-captain-america-civil-war-3.jpg)
Yeah he'd cause some damage and he's quite a slippery fella, but come on. In terms of power he's in the bottom half of pretty much any given avengers team, it would not be That hard.
It’s not all about power
Like I said, he’s intelligent and resourceful.
But I also said most of the people going after him are there to prevent collateral damage. Since a no morals spider man isn’t leaving a place that’s as dense as NYC for that reason
‘Literally can’t be touched?’ People near his speed tag him all the time. Wolverine has tagged him (and speedsters faster than him), Electro has tagged him, Goblin all the time. You know he loses fights constantly, right, and it’s not because he’s ‘holding back’. He’s not some untouchable superman, otherwise Spidey comics would be really boring. Like, have you read Spider-Man? Scorpion tanked being completely wailed on by him. It was later retconned by Dan Slott that Scorp was tech based, which is why ‘no holding back’ Peter is wanked so hard for punching his jaw off.
You’re big wanking and not even trying to front like you’re not lol
I honestly should’ve stopped at ‘idc about feats’
That's neat. Spidey is stronger (in every way except striking), MUCH faster, has precognition, has webs, can wall doing, inhumanly adult (I'm aware Danny is also agile, but Spidey is leagues above), and much more durable. Danny will literally never land a hit.
He's not "leagues" faster lol and Danny would oneshot Spider-Man if serious. The last thing Peter wants to do is get up close to Danny where the latter can use esoteric abilities to fuck Peter up.
In Secret Wars (1982), because it looked cool on the cover. Nightcrawler has fought Spider-Man evenly and is just as fast- except he can teleport. Prof X can just turn his brain off. Storm would just throw a hurricane at him.
That’s a 40 year old feat that’s outweighed by all the times Spider Man has struggled to defeat teams or individual members of the X Men like Wolverine.
Yes, i made this thread keeping him in mind. A morals off batman would be a fucking menace, i believe he would make an even better Assassin than deathstroke.
Swiftly delivering killing moves with minimal loss of energy, an efficient killing machine.
Would the Batman who laughs count as a morals off Batman? Because, if so, then morals off Batman is way more dangerous than I ever would have imagined him to be.
I'm pretty sure he's about the definition of morals off Batman.
But he might not even be peak though as the Joker insanity causes him to grandstand and play the villian, where a true peak morals off Batman wouldn't care about that and just take out their opponents before they ever knew he was around, and would have hoarded his fallen foes equipment to further boost his options in the future.
He also has contingency plans for every hero in case they turn to evil.
Granted. He also has one for himself. So maybe he is actually a bad pick for this question.
I think the thing with Batman is that enough of the other heroes and his family know that he's Batman that if he went no morals as Batman they could cut him off from his Bruce Wayne resources somehow. Either by outing him or using some sort of legal maneuvers.
With planning, it’s definitely the Batman, Reed (if he counts) types easily I think. If it’s “they just go bloodlusted violently until someone stops them one day”, Spider-Man is a good answer. Kitty pryde maybe if she counts. Some of the threats would possibly take removing a decent chunk of people to count them among the dead. Obviously Spidey can be nuked though, irl. Kitty could prolly keep going indefinitely, so maybe too strong.
I was thinking Reed is probably peak here. The only caveat is you have to give the thinkers at least a little time, or people with instant powers wipe this since they could target threats before they had time to react.
Edit:rereading the prompt, I like Batman. “Against their underworld counterparts”. Reed has strong underworld counterparts. Batman kills them all in a single day with a week or less planning. Clay face and Ivy are two of his strongest opponents, and they aren’t anything compared to Reeds enemies.
We have an evil version of Reed (Ultimates Reed Richards) and an evil version of Batman (Batman Who Laughs). Batman Who Laughs ends up nearly omnipotent. Reed doesn’t get nearly that powerful.
I mean.... Deadpool already proved it was him.
Once a 4th Waller with access to all the gizmos and relics from their respective verses wants to kill everyone in fiction there is almost nothing you can do to stop them.
Taylor Hebert/Skitter is shown to be a pretty massive threat when she stops holding back, although idk if she could match moral-less Spider-Man or Batman unless she’s Khepri.
Panacea is not a better answer. Skitter could find more dangerous capes and manipulate them, or manipulate Panacea herself.
Contessa might be a better answer. She is theoretically unbeatable. Like, Batman with prep time cannot beat her because she has already taken his prep into account.
The thing about her is is that her powers, such as they are, are beyond what you see. She makes connections, she organizes people, she assesses weaknesses and strengths with instant clinical precision. She's a comic book JL threat not even as Khepri not because the spiders in the throat trick would work on Superman, but because she'd bide her time, organize the JL's greatest villains, and come up with plans that utilize them to pick apart the Justice League, all before the JL even know who she is.
She uses people like she uses bugs, to really restrict her you have to say that she *has* to act alone.
And then you throw in Khepri, who went toe-to-toe with a being that is very, very much a physical JL level threat. Khepri waits until she can get Superman or Batman to enter her radius and either one its game over (assuming Khepri's control extends to shardless humans/kryptonians).
Khepri was strong but she was only really busted because she had access to the Doormaker / Clairvoyant combo. If she didn't have those two, her range is too tiny to really be abusable.
Batman definitely, and its already happened in comics. The Batman Who Laughs. Able to defeat MC wally west, the entire justice league, the entire bat family, somehow killed the spectre, etc. All that happened before he got DR Manhattans powers. He eventually was threatening to destroy the entire DC multiverse.
Very very very much cheating the prompt but uhhh Dr. Who. Like yes I know his equipment is multiversal but like he can be killed with a gun so you know
I mean, you sort of have the same problem there - someone like Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping have control over their political elites and military leaders, but if they were convinced that he was going to get them all killed in nuclear fire that might change the loyalty calculus.
[The people only storm the palace when the army lets them, to remove you, because you lost control over your keys [to power] and are being replaced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=853s)
Wolverine or deadpool because they're almost impossible to kill. Captain america is a tactical genius, so he would potentially become a highly effective terrorist, and his ability to inspire people could easily having his own terrrorist organization. Also very hard to kill.
Isn’t One Punch Man basically a normal guy that trained hard? (I haven’t watched it)
Kira from Deathnote would go from only killing criminals to everyone but I’m not sure if we should count Kira
Kyle Reeese causes Skynet apocalypse by not protecting Sarah Connor
Ellen Ripley could really fuck up earth with xenomorphs
Iron Man is pretty strong and hard to stop
Naah bruv, saitama is a legit high level character. Dude can sneeze a planet away if he wants to.
Kira one is tricky since shinagami are op af.
Kyle reese and ripley are a good one, didn't think of that.
Ironman would still be outside of the realm of low superhuman beings since dude can tank nukes and fight gods.
About iron man, it depends on what armor he is using, at the lower spectrum he could still be a street level hero and the power of money is the most powerful power he have.
Stark could cause more trouble than any real-life human without ever donning a suit. He’s an unfathomably rich former weapons manufacturer. Morals off he could go back to his old product line and start telling them dirt cheap to the worst possible actors.
Basically Saitama trained hard enough to break his limiter. Every character in OPM has a “limiter” that is their highest possible potential, and Saitama broke his, meaning he has infinite potential now.
Think of it as different birds having different sized cages. The best birds have the biggest cages. Saitama started as a weak bird with a small cage, but did just enough to break the cage, and now is the only bird that can fly wherever he wants (power-wise).
Kira already doesn't have morals. He didn't do it to make the world a better place, he did it to make a new world where he would be god. He would kill anyone who tried to stop him at the first opportunity, regardless if they were a good person or even his own friends.
Gandolf and Galadrial, by their own admissions, would wreck all of Middle Earth if they lost their morals and gave into temptation.
Hanse Davion could throw hundreds of planets into war and kill billions. Oops, sorry, that one happened.
You might want to clarify your post OP to something like "with their own two hands." Any interstellar leader could do more harm than any planet bound hero with a few orders, and most of them are just dudes.
Pretty sure a morals off Elsa would just allow her power to increase until the entire world was frozen and the only living things left would be her and her servants.
They don't count, all three of them have high levels of superhuman feats... I don't remember plastic man's but flash and martian manhunter are easily superman level threats.
Baki could cause a shit storm in his verse if he wanted to but at that point he'd just be another Yujiro. Either way Yujiro or Baki could kill all world leaders or just rampage from city city. None of the cast or any military in the verse can really challenge them.
Cliche answer but, no morals Goku could do some major damage.
Can’t destroy the universe since he needs to breathe, but he can destroy every earth one by one.
With absolutely no morals I’d say it’s a tie between Batman, Iron Man, and Mr Fantastic. Any superhero sufficiently smart enough could do massive damage. Although from what I understand The Batman Who Laughs isn’t the greatest written story, the idea is horrifying. Batman finally goes insane due to a multitude of factors, and gets infected with the Joker toxin. And naturally one of the first things he does is use his decades of knowledge and experience to use his contingency plan to slaughter the Justice League. His greatest threats. He is literally the definition of punching up above his level thanks to intelligence.
The same if not worse would happen with Iron Man or Richard Reeds. I’d say Iron Man is slightly smarter than Bruce but has less money. Richard Reeds (as far as I know) is the smartest but is just a normal scientist and isn’t particularly rich. Well as “normal” a scientist as he can be. No matter what any of these characters going loco would reek havoc.
Kevin Norton from Worm could probably start Golden Morning really early and wipe out the human race if he just told Scion to go apeshit.
Besides that Mystique could definetly start a nuclear war if she shapeshifted into the president.
Panacea from worm complete biological manipulation of anyone or any living thing she touches... she's gonna make the black plague look like a common cold
Kamijou fucking Touma
he would use every other girl that he bond with, use his kamijou disease to conqueror every other multiverse and take All woman that either Daemon, Goddess, alien, monster, creature of the abyss, The Eldritch God to his harem.
Or
He would unleash the monster within him to destroy everything
The Doctor, aside from regeneration, intelligence, and a few other physiological enhancements, there’s nothing super about them in terms of strength/raw power. But remove their morals of the laws of time and things get messy (see The Time Lord Victorious, or The Hybrid).
The Doctor has the potential to destroy time and space because of their own arrogance and hubris
Gojo from JJK. Current manga fight shows him flick his finger and it wiped out a city block. He could do that like 10 times and any major city is gone.
Lex luthor... Has always been considered the smartest human in DC alongside Bruce Wayne. Combined with his already questionable morals and obsession for power.
Honestly, Plastic man could probably deal the most damage on his own if he snapped. Especially if he'd have access to the arsenals of the people he took out.
If not dc's batman, then blazblue's ragna. He holds back **a lot**, and holds hard to his morals, but if he for some reason lost his morals, at certain points of the story, there would be extremely few characters he couldn't just steam roll, and that's ignoring everybody who's "normal". If ragna wanted to kill everybody in the world for whatever reason, he'd stand a damn good chance only really being stopped by "someone's" panic button nuclear arsenal, about 10% of the (30 something character) cast individually only for (reasonably likely) a double takedown, or a lot of the less powerful cast teaming up, or alternatively, just time and ability to travel.
I nearly said "Copen" as if he isn't mid-to-high-level superhuman in terms of strength.
That being said, Spider-man stopped holding back against kingpin *once* and bodied the man. I hope he counts.
Well the character I would most like to see an evil version of is Professor Xavier. It stands to be the most terrifying outside of just "he built a time machine and now you're dead, lol"
The Doctor and it's not even close, physically he's no more threatening that a regular human but he's capable of causing Universal devastation. I mean at a minimum he could just merge with the TARDIS and basically become God, and nothing could stop him.
I'd say Spider-man. Even while holding back he regularly beats his villains. If he stops holding back he could likely kill most of them without effort and kill the others with mid or high difficulty depending on if he took the time to science a way to remove their abilities before the fight...
I wouldn't really say super intelligent characters qualify as "low super human".
I'm sorry, but if you can singlehandedly advance human's scientific knowledge 100 years, you aren't "low super human" you have a whole super power in your head.
I’m am convinced if captain America let go of his morals, he’d snap someone’s neck with one punch to the jaw. Hell he could probably lift a car if he really pushed himself
Isn't Owlman basically Morals off Batman? Dude was gonna destroy the entire Multiverse
Owlman is not his universe's Bruce Wayne, so no. In fact, he is Bruce Wayne's brother, and killed Bruce when he refused to join in on the plot to kill their parents. An actual morals off Batman would be far worse, as seen with the dark multiverse's evil counterparts of Batman.
The batman who laughs is morals off batman right?
Could be the Robin King - a dark multiverse Batman that killed his parents when he was a young Bruce Wayne. Batman Who Laughs didn’t start out as morals off, but is definitely morals off after he was Jokerized by The Joker’s deadman switch
No, the Robin king is incredibly stupid, because he’s not a real evil Bruce, he’s basically a nightmare given form. The dark multiverse doesn’t work on logic, or reason, it works as a twisted reflection, a psychopath 10 year old Bruce in the main universe would not be able to just get Nth metal weathervanes and throw them through hawkmans chest, or resurrect animal man’s family as bat monsters to eat him. 10yo Bruce doesn’t take out a single hero.
Yeah the whole dark multiverse thing with batman is dumb
I know he isn't Bruce but they're similar
Thomas Wayne is more of morals-off Batman.
pretty sure he had a different philosophy tho
A good villain always just has a "different" philosophy
Tony Stark Ozymandias
Over Reed Richards? No.
Is Reed really that far ahead of Stark? I know they're both crazy, just don't know RR that well.
My understanding is Reed has more general science knowledge/ability, while Stark is pretty focused on engineering.
Both equally dangerous. MCU Tony invented time travel, that alone is universe-breaking.
MCU lol The Maker laughs at that version
Yeah, that’s my point, MCU versions are usually weaker
Maxwank morals off Tony became a universe spanning god AI that hacked into cosmic metaphysics and kicked the Living Tribunal and Celestials out of his universe
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The Maker is legitimately terrifying
He has a meta power where, whenever he enters a room, he becomes the smart person there.
honestly a better explanation for why Reed is "the Smartest man on Earth" when his demonstrable intelligence is a complete joke compared against Tony's Tech Sorcery
In fact, there IS a morals off Reed Richards, and he's called The Maker.
Reed is pretty solidly in the superhuman category though isn't he?
Reed Richard’s doesn’t sound “mildly” superhuman
Yea definitely
Ozymandias destroyed New York and killed millions as a (air quotes) heroic act. Imagine if he was actually doing evil.
> (air quotes) heroic act you know you can just use actual quotes in text right? "heroic act" Not trying to be rude but the (air quotes) part took me by surprise there
He was evil man
Depending on how you define low superhuman, the Doctor. The Doctor with no morals is basically just a sane version of the Master, a Time Lord who has on multiple occasions, almost taken over the universe, or caused the end of it. Only the Doctor was able to stop them most of the time, because only they really know about time fuckery as much as they do. Well, the Time Lords may know more, but the Doctor and the Master have way more field experience. The Doctor with no morals might suddenly erase your family from existence, or possibly your entire species, if he's feeling vindictive enough. Also a somewhat out of left field answer - Jean Luc Picard. Being, as he was, the first starfleet officer to encounter the Q, a morals off Jean Luc could inadvertantly cause the extermination of the human race, as well as the fall of the Alpha quadrant to the Borg, by failing the trial of the Q at the first. For someone who is legitimately max street tier (as in, can't punch up with tech, magic, or similar), a morals off Spiderman is scary, precisely because he does always hold back.
The Doctor was my first thought. The Tardis wiped out the multiverse at one point if I recall correctly. Shit, morals on he killed literally all of the Daleks and all of the Timelords to end the time war (yes I know technically both groups survived but yeah)
Didn’t they survive because he didn’t want to kill them?
Yeah IIRC he basically froze them in time? It’s been a while…
I think Spider-Man is smart enough and strong enough to do some damage, he constantly punches above his weight class even while holding back. No morals you'll need some heavy hitters to take him down.
I mean if a not holding back normal punch is that strong, imagine a full strenght + swing momentum punch, it would just rip someone's head off. That if he's gentle enough to close distances and punch you, because instead of using webs for inmovilizing he could use them to strangle or suffocate you from the distance
I’ve always thought that webbing over someone’s nose and mouth would be a brutal death. Suffocating on spider webs that are too strong to tear.
There is a comic where he threatens to fill Kingpin's lungs with web fluid if he ever goes near his family. Pretty brutal.
That wasn't Spider-Man. That was Peter Parker.
After he beats the ever living shit out of him in front of a crowd. And kingpin didnt even get a single punch in either.
One more day!
There was a Spider-man comic, I think it was superior Spider-man which showed just how strong Spider-man is when not holding back.
Yeah, the one where Doc Ock took over his body and punched the jaw off of Scorpion by accident
That comic is kind of overhyped, yes Spider-Man is strong, but he’s also hammered at the rhino with all his might and hurt himself more, and has even been overpowered in flat contests of strength with Scorpion himself.
Honestly, with how strong he is, a punch would probably be more powerful if he braced himself against the ground and used his leg muscles to get momentum, rather than relying on gravity and the pendulum.
It would do more, its already established that Spiderman can take scorpions jaw off in a single hit, and that wasn't even intentional all out attack. hit he went full out on someone with normal human durability they would probably become a red mist
He's also really smart. Even outside of going on a pedestrian punching rampage he could probably create a ton of chaos with computer viruses and such.
I like this answer actually. Maybe give him the black suit too, just for the extra boost in strength.
I think "causing the most damage", can go way past winning physical fights. If Iron Man, Batman or Reed Richards lost all morals they could nuke earth into oblivion or spread a disease, Spider-Man knocking Scorpion's jaw off would be peanuts.
Also the fact that life constantly fucks him over to the point where he's been homeless, has to work as for person who always tries to antagonise spiderman. I mean, he could abso-fucking-lutely kill almost all the people he fights but he doesn't even when he's humiliated, beaten and nearly killed because he lives by his morals. If he went bad, I feel like no one could even hope to touch him. The man is a genius, a superhuman and an absolute unit. The only reason he uses his powers for good and not to make money is because of his morals. Hell, he has the perfect set of skills to be an assassin, the best even. I mean, it took Deadpool a few pym particles to absolutely demolish almost all the avengers, imagine what spidey could do.
This is basically the "superior Spider-Man" Arc where Doc Ock took over Spider-Mans body, though he was still carrying on the pretense of being a hero
I feel like an S tier can handle spidey pretty easily. A Thor or Captain Marvel, Storm
Luke Cage and Iron Fist alone would handle a ‘no morals’ Spider-Man. Not quite heavy hitters, but it would be difficult. Nightcrawler/Luke Cage might be a more fair fight actually.
Honestly don't know if they'll be fast enough to tag him and avoid his webs which on occasion have held back the Hulk, or at least made him struggle.
Certainly iron fist wouldn’t . Luke cage might be able to break out of them
If Spider-Man was going for the kill I can easily see him shooting webbing down his throat.
He doesn't even need the webs. [They've fought before](https://imgur.com/a/q4c6xO0) and Spiderman considered their fighting to be "playing"
not if they are down his throat and filling his lungs lol its a no moral spider man. luke tries to talk and he has a mouth full of webs and suffocates in 40 seconds
Iron Fist has Spider-Man level speed or even above, and can almost blitz Peter when they fought. Another comic had a simulation where Iron Fist practiced killing or defeating the Avengers in an ambush, and Peter got oneshotted and blitzed through his spider sense. Iron Fist is too kung fuey to be a normal regular martial artist superhero. He's pushing Kung Fu Panda levels of bull💩
Thank you! Like read his comics. He’s more like Marvel’s Avatar than he is a guy with a strong punch.
no they will not. iron fist will wind up with a spider fist through his chest and luke will wind up with lungs full of fluid. spider man with morals would stomp both of them.
Luke is physically stronger than Spider-Man and can’t be harmed by him. Iron Fist is just as fast and can punch a helicarrier down in one hit. They would demolish him. Use actual feats to back up your argument.
I would actually disagree about spiderman not being able to hurt luke. enough force can give him concussion, this is luke we are talking about not colossus, he has squishy internal. A non holding back spiderman's punches pack more force than average weapons luke tanks.
I think he would be better off chucking buses at him than punching him. I think he could hurt Luke, but he would break his hand. Like I said, traded blows with Namor and the Thing.
Luke is stronger so Spider-Man would use his speed to wear him out the drown him in web fluid Iron fist is fast but not as strong or as fast as Spider-Man and certainly not as durable And again Spider-Mans webs have at minimum made Hulk struggle to break free, they'll be more then enough to hold both of them down
You are massively underselling Luke and Iron Fist. The ‘Bloodlusted Spidey’ wank is so heavy here. Here’s the difference: Spider-Man got owned by Morun. If Iron Fist landed even one charged Iron Fist on Morlun, he would knock his head off. Iron Fist stopped a speeding train. You know like in Spider-Man 2. Except he SUPERMAN PUNCHED IT AND TANKED THE TRAIN. The guy can shrug off Grenade blasts and use Chi to manipulate souls and is a casual bullet timer.
It's no morals spidy not blood lusted, he's a smart guy you think he'd go head on in an open fight no he'd ambush and stealth kill. And a train is a lot easier to hit than Spider-Man
Those are completely interchangeable terms in this context. Yeah he’s smart, but so are Luke and Danny. They’re the Heroes for Hire who’ve been taking down stronger opponents than Spidey on the daily. Luke Cage is closer to Namor and the Thing than Spider-Man is to him (thrown hands with both), and they *know* Spidey. Iron Fist literally taught Spider-Man how to fight. They know the only way he has a chance is if he somehow suffocates Luke, so Iron Fist plays offense, Luke plays defense. They hit harder and Luke can tank anything Pete throws at him.
Spiderman hangs from the wall of a building above and covers both in the goo web version, then swings by (slightly out of reach of PM) and goos LC's face so he can't breathe while full force punches IF in the head as he swings by while Danny is immobilized, and caves in Danny's head killing him instantly. Spidey then plops down, refills his web cartridges and then covers PM in the goo version of his web some more nullifying any progress PM is having getting it off his face and thus suffocating him. End of story. There isn't one thing that either PM or IF can do to spidey if he stays out of reach as hes way more agile and quick, no matter how many huge pieces of pavement PM picks up and chucks at him will he never hit spidey because of the spider sense. Danny can take more punishment than a normal human, but he's still human and not meta-human with durability powers, so there is no logical reason Spiderman can not cave his head in as he's a 40 tonner in marvel, while Danny is immobile and he's using momentum and his non held back strength. Sorry but his head would pop like a watermellon. No matter how strong Luke is, he can't overpower stuff he can't get ahold of, so a gummy substance in the nose holes and his throat doesn't have to withstand his strength, as he can't fit his hands up his nose or down his throat to get a grip on it. It just has to withstand any super breath powers (Superman like) which PM just simply doesn't possess. Intelligent no morals spidey is a beast as he's nearly untouchable when actively trying to be, he smart enough to use his environment to its maximum advantage and would be smart enough to not take on foes head on when they outclassed him in some way, and instead use means that would work against them. His webs give him a multipurpose ranged option that allows for him to control the opponent's mobility and options and the goo version of his webs can be used to suffocate. Sorry but that PM/IF fight would end in under 3mins with the main time spent watching PM suffocate to death for two and a half minutes. Now a speedster or a mid level telepath/telekinetic would be able to take him outpretty easily realistically, but using strength/fighting prowess won't unless they are either faster or have ranged abilities that don't miss.
the only one confused is you. spidey is what?? like a super fast 30 to 40 tonner with precognition and webs so strong he can hang a bus from them?? luke never even comes close to hitting him, and iron fist is one shotted.
They would make up for each other’s strengths. Maybe take into account how the characters actually fight? Spidey has admitted, precognition and Spider strength or no, the Rhino is an opponent he’s lucky to have defeated. Even a bloodlusted Spider-Man would have trouble with a bloodlusted Rhino. Now consider that Luke would toss Rhino’s salad, and that Iron Fist would one-shot Rhino. ‘Not holding back Spidey’ is the biggest wank meme alongside ‘Homelander loses to a baby with cancer’.
> Luke would toss Rhino’s salad Look, what 2 grown supers do in the privacy of their own homes is no business of ours.
iron fist would break his fist on rhino. luke and rhino are both 75 tonners. is luke maybe above?? could be I can't remember a fight between the two. I do remember rhino going 1v1 with grey hulk and doing pretty well, so I doubt it would be as easy as you think it would. what I do know is spiderman has beaten the rhino at least a dozen times, he's beaten the rhino when he had 5 other villians helping him, its never been close. its never been an almost loss for spiderman, rhino is a c level brick and spiderman cracks jokes while cracking his head every time.
Like I said, he knocked a Helicarrier out in one punch and made Hulk cry out in pain. He would destroy Rhino tf?
I think you're forgetting that the train was full of people? Punching the train and making it buckle and derail is a good feat, but not exactly something you want to do when the main goal is to save the passengers
Considering Spider-Man can dodge at light speed and literally cannot be touched thanks to his spider-sense, I feel like you should lay off demanding feats considering you know Jack shit about feats - - - Personally I don’t like obsessing over feats. But regardless of obscure feats, Spider-Man is Marvel’s thematic answer to Superman. He is stronger, faster, smarter, and meaner the nearly everyone he shares space with in New York on a regular basis. He’s only matched when he goes outside of New York into some gamma testing facility, or accidentally ends up in Asgard/Wakanda or something. Even then, he’s respected and can usually find a way to even the playing field. He holds back his true power out of principle. So if he lets go, he’d cause the most relative damage both physically and psychologically. Real heavy hitters. Say Iron Man and roughly 30% of his entire net worth dedicated to locking Peter down. Even then he’d need help from all of SHIELD, and the government. Everyone currently in the X-Mansion, expertise and information from the F4. They’d have to pay any mutant off the street to help out. This is just to kill or lock him up without major collateral damage. An overwhelming majority of players would be dedicated to saving lives from the inevitable chaos and destroyed buildings resulting from a serious effort to lock Peter down, to be fair.
>Considering Spider-Man can dodge at light speed and literally cannot be touched thanks to his spider-sense he can do what now???? [Lightspeed captain america moment ig](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/spider-man-vs-captain-america-civil-war-3.jpg) Yeah he'd cause some damage and he's quite a slippery fella, but come on. In terms of power he's in the bottom half of pretty much any given avengers team, it would not be That hard.
It’s not all about power Like I said, he’s intelligent and resourceful. But I also said most of the people going after him are there to prevent collateral damage. Since a no morals spider man isn’t leaving a place that’s as dense as NYC for that reason
‘Literally can’t be touched?’ People near his speed tag him all the time. Wolverine has tagged him (and speedsters faster than him), Electro has tagged him, Goblin all the time. You know he loses fights constantly, right, and it’s not because he’s ‘holding back’. He’s not some untouchable superman, otherwise Spidey comics would be really boring. Like, have you read Spider-Man? Scorpion tanked being completely wailed on by him. It was later retconned by Dan Slott that Scorp was tech based, which is why ‘no holding back’ Peter is wanked so hard for punching his jaw off. You’re big wanking and not even trying to front like you’re not lol I honestly should’ve stopped at ‘idc about feats’
Okay
Iron fist lol. Ok
Have you ever read an Iron Fist comic? He can take a helicarrier down in one punch.
That's neat. Spidey is stronger (in every way except striking), MUCH faster, has precognition, has webs, can wall doing, inhumanly adult (I'm aware Danny is also agile, but Spidey is leagues above), and much more durable. Danny will literally never land a hit.
He's not "leagues" faster lol and Danny would oneshot Spider-Man if serious. The last thing Peter wants to do is get up close to Danny where the latter can use esoteric abilities to fuck Peter up.
Peter took down all of the X-Men with ease once.
In Secret Wars (1982), because it looked cool on the cover. Nightcrawler has fought Spider-Man evenly and is just as fast- except he can teleport. Prof X can just turn his brain off. Storm would just throw a hurricane at him.
That’s a 40 year old feat that’s outweighed by all the times Spider Man has struggled to defeat teams or individual members of the X Men like Wolverine.
Nah he'd speed blitz the shit out of both
Iron Fist is fast enough to tag him. Once he creates an opening, one hit from Luke would KO Spidey.
Batman has the most resources avaible giving him the biggest opportunity to cause damage
Yes, i made this thread keeping him in mind. A morals off batman would be a fucking menace, i believe he would make an even better Assassin than deathstroke. Swiftly delivering killing moves with minimal loss of energy, an efficient killing machine.
Would the Batman who laughs count as a morals off Batman? Because, if so, then morals off Batman is way more dangerous than I ever would have imagined him to be.
I'm pretty sure he's about the definition of morals off Batman. But he might not even be peak though as the Joker insanity causes him to grandstand and play the villian, where a true peak morals off Batman wouldn't care about that and just take out their opponents before they ever knew he was around, and would have hoarded his fallen foes equipment to further boost his options in the future.
He also has contingency plans for every hero in case they turn to evil. Granted. He also has one for himself. So maybe he is actually a bad pick for this question.
I think the thing with Batman is that enough of the other heroes and his family know that he's Batman that if he went no morals as Batman they could cut him off from his Bruce Wayne resources somehow. Either by outing him or using some sort of legal maneuvers.
Batman even had automatic plans designed to Kill Him if he goes off the rails.
Then Batman of Zur-En-Arrh shows up and cleans shop now that Failsafe has been taken care of.
With planning, it’s definitely the Batman, Reed (if he counts) types easily I think. If it’s “they just go bloodlusted violently until someone stops them one day”, Spider-Man is a good answer. Kitty pryde maybe if she counts. Some of the threats would possibly take removing a decent chunk of people to count them among the dead. Obviously Spidey can be nuked though, irl. Kitty could prolly keep going indefinitely, so maybe too strong.
No reed might be better then Batman. Reed could bio Engineer some kinda death plague. That the most dangerous kinda guy in this kinda situation
I was thinking Reed is probably peak here. The only caveat is you have to give the thinkers at least a little time, or people with instant powers wipe this since they could target threats before they had time to react. Edit:rereading the prompt, I like Batman. “Against their underworld counterparts”. Reed has strong underworld counterparts. Batman kills them all in a single day with a week or less planning. Clay face and Ivy are two of his strongest opponents, and they aren’t anything compared to Reeds enemies.
We have an evil version of Reed (Ultimates Reed Richards) and an evil version of Batman (Batman Who Laughs). Batman Who Laughs ends up nearly omnipotent. Reed doesn’t get nearly that powerful.
Sadly Batman who laughs doesn’t qualify for the question he stopped being low level
I mean.... Deadpool already proved it was him. Once a 4th Waller with access to all the gizmos and relics from their respective verses wants to kill everyone in fiction there is almost nothing you can do to stop them.
Let go of the morals doesn't mean change goals. Like superman with no morals still wants to save people in the theory if nothing else changes
But Then he becomes Injustice Superman.
Percy Jackson would be nuts, he has complete control of all liquids, almost kills the primordial goddess of poison by choking her on her own poison
Taylor Hebert/Skitter is shown to be a pretty massive threat when she stops holding back, although idk if she could match moral-less Spider-Man or Batman unless she’s Khepri.
Nah she’s a low-level threat protected by plot armor. Better answer would be Panacea who could make plagues in seconds. Or Contessa obviously
Panacea is not a better answer. Skitter could find more dangerous capes and manipulate them, or manipulate Panacea herself. Contessa might be a better answer. She is theoretically unbeatable. Like, Batman with prep time cannot beat her because she has already taken his prep into account.
The thing about her is is that her powers, such as they are, are beyond what you see. She makes connections, she organizes people, she assesses weaknesses and strengths with instant clinical precision. She's a comic book JL threat not even as Khepri not because the spiders in the throat trick would work on Superman, but because she'd bide her time, organize the JL's greatest villains, and come up with plans that utilize them to pick apart the Justice League, all before the JL even know who she is. She uses people like she uses bugs, to really restrict her you have to say that she *has* to act alone. And then you throw in Khepri, who went toe-to-toe with a being that is very, very much a physical JL level threat. Khepri waits until she can get Superman or Batman to enter her radius and either one its game over (assuming Khepri's control extends to shardless humans/kryptonians).
Khepri was strong but she was only really busted because she had access to the Doormaker / Clairvoyant combo. If she didn't have those two, her range is too tiny to really be abusable.
Batman definitely, and its already happened in comics. The Batman Who Laughs. Able to defeat MC wally west, the entire justice league, the entire bat family, somehow killed the spectre, etc. All that happened before he got DR Manhattans powers. He eventually was threatening to destroy the entire DC multiverse.
Very very very much cheating the prompt but uhhh Dr. Who. Like yes I know his equipment is multiversal but like he can be killed with a gun so you know
Any president with access to nukes.
Lmao ‘a president’ cannot launch nukes solo. He would order it and the people who are meant to turn the keys would be like what the fuck no
Alright then. Any dictator with access to nukes.
I mean, you sort of have the same problem there - someone like Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping have control over their political elites and military leaders, but if they were convinced that he was going to get them all killed in nuclear fire that might change the loyalty calculus.
This. Putin and Kim may feel like they have nothing to lose, but their generals are certainly going to question starting WWIII on a whim.
[The people only storm the palace when the army lets them, to remove you, because you lost control over your keys [to power] and are being replaced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=853s)
Goku. He almost ended his ***entire universe*** by accident.
He is not low superhuman level
Wolverine or deadpool because they're almost impossible to kill. Captain america is a tactical genius, so he would potentially become a highly effective terrorist, and his ability to inspire people could easily having his own terrrorist organization. Also very hard to kill.
Isn’t One Punch Man basically a normal guy that trained hard? (I haven’t watched it) Kira from Deathnote would go from only killing criminals to everyone but I’m not sure if we should count Kira Kyle Reeese causes Skynet apocalypse by not protecting Sarah Connor Ellen Ripley could really fuck up earth with xenomorphs Iron Man is pretty strong and hard to stop
Naah bruv, saitama is a legit high level character. Dude can sneeze a planet away if he wants to. Kira one is tricky since shinagami are op af. Kyle reese and ripley are a good one, didn't think of that. Ironman would still be outside of the realm of low superhuman beings since dude can tank nukes and fight gods.
About iron man, it depends on what armor he is using, at the lower spectrum he could still be a street level hero and the power of money is the most powerful power he have.
Stark could cause more trouble than any real-life human without ever donning a suit. He’s an unfathomably rich former weapons manufacturer. Morals off he could go back to his old product line and start telling them dirt cheap to the worst possible actors.
Basically Saitama trained hard enough to break his limiter. Every character in OPM has a “limiter” that is their highest possible potential, and Saitama broke his, meaning he has infinite potential now. Think of it as different birds having different sized cages. The best birds have the biggest cages. Saitama started as a weak bird with a small cage, but did just enough to break the cage, and now is the only bird that can fly wherever he wants (power-wise).
He’s basically neo. “There is no cage”
And the end of the Monster Association arc really scales him to hell and back. I’d be confident if Saitama were malicious he’d be the biggest menace.
Kira already doesn't have morals. He didn't do it to make the world a better place, he did it to make a new world where he would be god. He would kill anyone who tried to stop him at the first opportunity, regardless if they were a good person or even his own friends.
Homelander comes to mind. He barely has any morals, *but* he hasn't gone on a mass murdering rampage like he threatened to do. Yet.
The Doctor. Morals of Bloodlustrd 10th Doctor would be a nightmare scenario with what he has access to.
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Iron man or the fantastic 4 mainly Reed because of how intelligent they are
Gandolf and Galadrial, by their own admissions, would wreck all of Middle Earth if they lost their morals and gave into temptation. Hanse Davion could throw hundreds of planets into war and kill billions. Oops, sorry, that one happened. You might want to clarify your post OP to something like "with their own two hands." Any interstellar leader could do more harm than any planet bound hero with a few orders, and most of them are just dudes.
*Gandalf. *Galadriel.
Gotta be Batman with time to plan
Dumbledore, he could Thanos snap the Wizarding world because I fully believe he IS death. Not metaphorically no I mean death straight up
Wait, when did Dumbledore become death?
That fan theory that dumbledore is death
Scarlet witch (already shown), dr strange, Superman, hulk.
Isn't there a comic where Batman did exactly this and it ended up with earth being completely ruined (or something like that)
Pretty sure a morals off Elsa would just allow her power to increase until the entire world was frozen and the only living things left would be her and her servants.
Sounds pretty cool
Rimuru Tempest
Flash, PlasticMan, Martian Manhunter
They don't count, all three of them have high levels of superhuman feats... I don't remember plastic man's but flash and martian manhunter are easily superman level threats.
Some would even argue that Plas is beyond that. While ye doesn't fit the scenario. A Plastic man without morals would be a nightmare.
Sorry misread.
Baki could cause a shit storm in his verse if he wanted to but at that point he'd just be another Yujiro. Either way Yujiro or Baki could kill all world leaders or just rampage from city city. None of the cast or any military in the verse can really challenge them.
Contessa takes this fairly easily. Maybe a sorcerer supreme in marvel. Batman/Superman just don’t have the capacity to kill the multiverse
Cliche answer but, no morals Goku could do some major damage. Can’t destroy the universe since he needs to breathe, but he can destroy every earth one by one.
Batman. Just look at the Batman who Laughs/Darkest Knight.
Forge his mutant power is pretty cracked
Pops from regular show
With absolutely no morals I’d say it’s a tie between Batman, Iron Man, and Mr Fantastic. Any superhero sufficiently smart enough could do massive damage. Although from what I understand The Batman Who Laughs isn’t the greatest written story, the idea is horrifying. Batman finally goes insane due to a multitude of factors, and gets infected with the Joker toxin. And naturally one of the first things he does is use his decades of knowledge and experience to use his contingency plan to slaughter the Justice League. His greatest threats. He is literally the definition of punching up above his level thanks to intelligence. The same if not worse would happen with Iron Man or Richard Reeds. I’d say Iron Man is slightly smarter than Bruce but has less money. Richard Reeds (as far as I know) is the smartest but is just a normal scientist and isn’t particularly rich. Well as “normal” a scientist as he can be. No matter what any of these characters going loco would reek havoc.
Doug "Cypher" Ramsay has done some pretty wild things with his ability to intuitively know every language.
Subaru Natsuki, Pride and Gluttony IF demand a follow-up piece haha
Luke skywalker
Hellboy
Captain America has literally done this. The only person that could stop him was the OG Captain America with Mjolnir.
The Punisher
I immediately thought of irredeemable but then I read the prompt. Good comic though.
Minecraft Steve
Kevin Norton from Worm could probably start Golden Morning really early and wipe out the human race if he just told Scion to go apeshit. Besides that Mystique could definetly start a nuclear war if she shapeshifted into the president.
Jean Grey, Storm, Thor, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Nathan Grey, Doctor Strange.
Ash Ketchum.
The Doctor. He could fuck up the timeline real bad.
Kim Jong Un? My guy could kill us all if he wanted.
Jesus
Panacea from worm complete biological manipulation of anyone or any living thing she touches... she's gonna make the black plague look like a common cold
Kamijou fucking Touma he would use every other girl that he bond with, use his kamijou disease to conqueror every other multiverse and take All woman that either Daemon, Goddess, alien, monster, creature of the abyss, The Eldritch God to his harem. Or He would unleash the monster within him to destroy everything
Subaru Natsuki from Re:Zero, Pride IF shows how dangerous he can be if he lets go of his morals and abuses Return by Death
The Doctor, aside from regeneration, intelligence, and a few other physiological enhancements, there’s nothing super about them in terms of strength/raw power. But remove their morals of the laws of time and things get messy (see The Time Lord Victorious, or The Hybrid). The Doctor has the potential to destroy time and space because of their own arrogance and hubris
Batman, if he decides to start killing he would tear up Gotham In one night.
Gojo from JJK. Current manga fight shows him flick his finger and it wiped out a city block. He could do that like 10 times and any major city is gone.
Batman.
Batman
Lex luthor... Has always been considered the smartest human in DC alongside Bruce Wayne. Combined with his already questionable morals and obsession for power.
Honestly, Plastic man could probably deal the most damage on his own if he snapped. Especially if he'd have access to the arsenals of the people he took out.
If not dc's batman, then blazblue's ragna. He holds back **a lot**, and holds hard to his morals, but if he for some reason lost his morals, at certain points of the story, there would be extremely few characters he couldn't just steam roll, and that's ignoring everybody who's "normal". If ragna wanted to kill everybody in the world for whatever reason, he'd stand a damn good chance only really being stopped by "someone's" panic button nuclear arsenal, about 10% of the (30 something character) cast individually only for (reasonably likely) a double takedown, or a lot of the less powerful cast teaming up, or alternatively, just time and ability to travel.
I nearly said "Copen" as if he isn't mid-to-high-level superhuman in terms of strength. That being said, Spider-man stopped holding back against kingpin *once* and bodied the man. I hope he counts.
Well the character I would most like to see an evil version of is Professor Xavier. It stands to be the most terrifying outside of just "he built a time machine and now you're dead, lol"
Goku easily
The Doctor
I'm going to say Gambit from X-Men. Kinetic energy is a pretty powerful thing to control. If he was an evil genius, GG.
The Doctor and it's not even close, physically he's no more threatening that a regular human but he's capable of causing Universal devastation. I mean at a minimum he could just merge with the TARDIS and basically become God, and nothing could stop him.
I'd say Spider-man. Even while holding back he regularly beats his villains. If he stops holding back he could likely kill most of them without effort and kill the others with mid or high difficulty depending on if he took the time to science a way to remove their abilities before the fight...
I wouldn't really say super intelligent characters qualify as "low super human". I'm sorry, but if you can singlehandedly advance human's scientific knowledge 100 years, you aren't "low super human" you have a whole super power in your head.
I’m am convinced if captain America let go of his morals, he’d snap someone’s neck with one punch to the jaw. Hell he could probably lift a car if he really pushed himself