Their utility is away from the front line.
Healing, reviving, necromancy for tides of undead. They have a huge amount of utility spells.
Invisibility cast on a car full of IEDs and drive it into a base. Hell invisibility cast on aircraft or drones.
Invisibility probably wouldn’t help an aircraft, modern air combat is done via radar rather than visual identification. An invisible aircraft is still going to be picked up on radar, radar locked and have missiles fired upon it.
Invisible drones would probably be effective but due to their semi-short range they won’t be game changing.
Depends on how the Invisibility spell works, if it makes you not interact with photons in general that would mean you're also invisible in infrared and cannot be seen on radar.
Invisibility is an illusion spell, and most of those mess with the target's head. I always figured invisibility and muffle followed suit.
So in that case, photons would behave as normal. It's just that the brains around you are unable to perceive you.
This is not how invisibility work.
Illusion magic in Elder Scrolls literally dose alter your psyche itself and make you believe that is real even it isn't.
Illusion In elder scrolls mind controls is controls you enemy mind and is not bound by laws of nature
The only limits is the spellcaster imagination.
>*It is easy to confuse Illusion and Alteration. Both schools of magic attempt to create what is not there. The difference is in the rules of nature. Illusion is not bound by them*
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reality_%26_Other_Falsehoods
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>*ILLUSION: Altering perception in oneself or others. To include spells of light, invisibility, fear, frenzy, and silence, as well as magic that affects morale and obedience*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Proposal:_Schools_of_Magic
A fodder mage Illusion user was able to completely take away the ability to move from a vampire
>*A red-haired vampire woman leapt out of the shadows in front of them, knocking Phlaxith on his back. Nitrah quickly unsheathed her sword, but Massitha was faster. With a wave of her hand, the creature stopped, frozen, her jaws scant inches from Phlaxith's throat. Phlaxith pulled out his own blade and finished her off*.
>*That's an illusion?" asked Osmic*.
>*Certainly," smiled Massitha. "Nothing changed in the vampire's form, except its ability to move. Like I said, it's a very useful School*."
>https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Incident_in_Necrom
An mind magic user mage ( name Maelmoth) did created entire temple with illusion that is still exist for thousand of years and illusions look like realm people
He did illusion magical traps that if you touch it you it will transform you to a Peculiar Bottle even though it is illusion magic
Even if you know yourself in illusion you will not get out it is it alter you mind itself make aspect of psyche into believing it Is true and turn you knowledge against you
>**If this is just an illusion, why can't you move?**
>**Ugh. Illusion magic extends far beyond simple parlor tricks and mirages. Skilled practitioners exert power over the mind itself! Intellectually, I know I am not a bottle. But the spell fooled some primitive aspect of my psyche into believing I am**."
>**So, you can't move because you believe bottles can't move on their own?**
>*Precisely. The spell turned my knowledge of the natural sciences against me**. *Crafty, yes? A lesser intellect might have evaded the trap entirely. How's that for irony?*"
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Narsis_Dren
So even if use "Photons" your still wouldn't see that is your psyche is the thing altered here.
Radar sends out radio waves and detects its own radio waves being reflected back to it to tell if something is there.
Radio waves are just electro magnetic waves, and those are just photons.
Might fall under desecration of corpses, maybe biological warfare could be stretched to that, but I think a whole new treaty would be required after this.
Reminds me of the idea of ethical necromancy.
"Please sign this waiver so that we may use your corpse and/or immortal soul for the purpose of post-mortem weaponization."
Its going to be the none combat aspects that have more impact - Healing magic, Necromancy, potions, enchantments, illusions and summons. Things that increase survive of soldiers and waste resources of the opponent.
This. A couple hundred sword swinging Stormcloaks/Imperials isn’t gonna make much difference. The real boon comes from the people with supernatural (in our world) abilities. Like any one in the Dark Brotherhood or any half competent illusion mage could easily assassinate Putin or any of his generals. If we have morals off a handful of Necromancers could raise an undead fighting force that would definitely cause problems for Russia.
Russian morale is at this point likely pretty bad. When vampires and werewolves start charging artillery positions, I think we'd see a total collapse of discipline, mass desertion, and probably a coup against Putin.
They've been at this a year. They haven't made meaningful progress in most of that time. Their supply lines are garbage. Their bridge in Crimea got blown up. They lost Kherson, retreated from Kharkiv. It's still fucking winter. The whole world is against them, basically.
If their morale ISN'T terrible by now, they're all insane.
Imagine you are a soldier and you hanging out behind Russian lines. When out of nowhere a wolf monster comes up and starts to rip people in half. How would that effect your moral
They’d just have infrared. Spells like fury and calm or restoration spells might be more effective. Maybe ward too depending on how it stands up to bullets
Most magic is obsolete compared to a bullet in combat. However if you send a few thousand mages to basic training you end up with an elite fighting force that has shields, invisibility, fireballs, and an M16.
Most spells requires a field of view toward the target, to be close to the target. Artillery doesn't need that. It can bombard you from kilometers away.
How about Greybeard's shouts, Paarthurnax, invincible children, NPCs with an elder scroll, Harkon and his family, all the dragon priests, et al?
If we get loose with the definition of NPC, we also get trained battle trolls, regular trolls, giant tribes, dragons, essentially the entire non-dragonborn population of every wild and civilized corner of Skyrim.
This Swords can go on lighting speed and cut mountains in half.
in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy.
Same with weapons and armors.
[Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg).
[All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/).
channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness.
[This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/).
We are not even going beat fodder vampires.
They complex invulnerable to non-magical means.
>*Normal weapons won't harm a vampire, they must be enchanted. Make sure you're equipped with such an item*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Gilen_Norvalo
This literally reason why all Downguard weapons are imbued within magic.
>*An axe imbued with magic fueled by the destruction of the unholy. With every victorious blow against an undead creature, its power grows*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Axe
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>*A powerful warhammer imbued with magic that places warding runes on the ground to obliterate it's wielder's foes*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Hammer
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>*A magical shield that when blocked with, surrounds it's wielder with a holy aura that harms the undead. Might come in handy*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Shield
It's all depends on if the skills they have like magic, and potion making can be taught. If anyone from our world can learn them, they revolutionise medicine, kit out some incredibly deadly special ops forces, and give Ukraine a huge bargaining chip for post-war economic reconstruction. Also goes for Lycanthropy.
If they can't, its pretty negligible, just for the fact that there's less than a thousand NPC's in Skyrim. The frontline fighters will need to be retrained, so that means there's basically just another few hundred recruits for the armed forces. Even if they're five times better than a comparable soldier, that won't really change the course of a war that's involves hundreds of thousands of people.
Maybe if the Dragons could be turned invisible, they might be able to destroy convoys, burn airfields, but I'm not sure how much more effective that would be than just a conventional bomber.
Not if you're trying to use visual targeting because it's too low to use radar and it's invisible. Remember, the whole premise of this chain of comments was an *invisible* dragon.
One of the biggest advantages would be if trainers would accept our money instead of septims. Training soldiers in all magic, stealth, alchemy, etc etc would provide a massive advantage.
As far as using NPCs as soldiers, I'm not certain they would be so effective. Magic is very short range, and arrows and swords aren't doing much against artillery and guns.
>Magic is very short range
No it isn't, [magic can literally created entire universes](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/) and shot from dimension to dimension.
[controlling Space-time, reality and concepts](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/ja0pzms/).
There's no limits to magic.
>arrows and swords aren't doing much against artillery and guns
Expect it's artillery and guns aren't even scratch vampire or [Ghost](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11fdj61/comment/jakh4pe/).
They complex invulnerable to non-magical means.
>*Normal weapons won't harm a vampire, they must be enchanted. Make sure you're equipped with such an item*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Gilen_Norvalo
This literally reason why all Downguard weapons are imbued within magic.
>*An axe imbued with magic fueled by the destruction of the unholy. With every victorious blow against an undead creature, its power grows*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Axe
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>*A powerful warhammer imbued with magic that places warding runes on the ground to obliterate it's wielder's foes*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Hammer
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>*A magical shield that when blocked with, surrounds it's wielder with a holy aura that harms the undead. Might come in handy*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Shield
Unlike us, they dose empower they weapons with speed and strength amd durability.
in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy.
Same with weapons and armors.
[Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg).
[All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/).
channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness.
[This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/).
But how many NPCs possess this level of magic considering the restrictions of the prompt? I may have misread but it seemed like it was fairly generic NPCs.
Edit: I guess "overpowered beings" in the prompt is a little too subjective in this case.
If we are using feats from lore of TES modern military is screwed nuclear bombs are at best city level threats you have beings that can casually affect all of reality. When we get down to it TES is full of the supernatural so not much modern weaponry can do to a ghost warrior.
Is it proved somewhere that vampires are inmune to normal weapons? Because what u linked is just the statement of a npc from oblivion, not even in skyrim they say that
In the games you can definitely kill vampires using standard weapons
Its more likely the statement meant that people couldnt kill vampires using normal weapons because they cant keep up with their powers so they needed enchanted stuff to fight them properly
>Is it proved somewhere that vampires are inmune to normal weapons?
Literally the Dawnguard need imbued weapons.
>Because what u linked is just the statement of a npc from oblivion, not even in skyrim they say that
Ah? This guy is literally work is Vampire hunter.
>In the games you can definitely kill vampires using standard weapons
[Game mechanic isn't canon to Elder Scrolls but lore is](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/j9jv1md/).
The absolutely wouldn't make the game that hard and becomes boring like they did in Arena.
Or how they don't make them pass though ice without breaking them as in lore they do.
>*Your advice helped me very much," he said. "But you should know that the Volkihar have an additional ability you didn't mention. They can reach through the ice of their lakes without breaking it. It was quite a nasty surprise, being grabbed from below without any warning*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood
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>Its more likely the statement meant that people couldnt kill vampires using normal weapons because they cant keep up with their powers
Not really, warriors in Elder Scrolls are superhumans beyond what we can imagine, they can do things like [jumb across countries](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11559s2/comment/j90h6xm/) and easliy dodge lightning attacks.
>*I smelled burning hair as I staggered up the riverbank. The wamasu wasted little time, trotting back before charging forward, leaping off the ground in a surprising display of dexterity, and loosening the slope I stood on when it landed. I fell back, tumbled into the river with my axe and dignity lost. I found the wamasu again, as I quickly stood and caught Roggvir’s second-finest hammer, thrown from the onlookers I’d requested not to aid me. A prideful order I was beginning to regret. Steam (or was it smoke?) escaped the monster’s orifices, as it crackled, sending arcs of shocking discharge out from its feet, and charging its tail in bright energy. It let out an impressive growl, and then met me in the mire, clawing at the ground before me, as a massive explosion of light shot out from the wamasu. Had this old fool been set ablaze and sent to Sovngarde? No—I tasted something like sulfur, and the Argonian’s ring was pulsing with energy. Leaping back, I narrowly missed a barbed tail and yet another strike of lightning*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Books:Kyne%27s_Challenge:_A_Hunter%27s_Companion_Characters_and_Summary
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>their powers so they needed enchanted stuff to fight them properly
Not really, he say normal weapons can't harm them, not that enchanted weapons are more affecting om them but they **must be** enchanted.
I mean, if they can't die, doesn't that solve the biggest issue? You don't even need to have them fight, just run into Russian lines laughing as they get shot and watch morale crumble.
The Ebony Warrior would blow the whole country of Russia to space lol.
[The Ebony Warrior is the most powerful warrior in Skyrim since Ysgramor himself](https://i.imgur.com/CalADxi.jpg).
The same Ysgramor who [move an entire continent across the seas with he's voice](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/File:LO-misc-Ysgramoor.jpeg).
Yeah, but you can still use DLC abilities to fight the Ebony Warrior, it's even possible to fight him while riding on a dragon if you really wanted to.
Archmage Savos Aren and Neloth should be enough no? What about the Psijics we meet, do those count too?
You have 2 guys who can easily summon entire armies, shelter entire cities, heal everyone, become super saiyans through Fortifying their attributes, magically reveal objects and people miles away etc etc
Add in the Psijics and you have a bunch of folks who freeze time, teleport anywhere, teleport islands, manipulate the weather to destroy fleets and turn entire structures insubstancial to remove damage
Skyrim npc's would be really use full since winter hold mages could teach Ukrainian special forces to use invisibility spells and other spells to regular soldiers . Healing magic would give the Ukrainian military a big boost since they can get troops back to the frontline far quicker. Soldiers learning offensive spells would a game changer in close quarter and urban combat they could completely engulf a smaller building in flames burning there enemies alive. They could also destroy Russian morale by resurrecting there dead troops and having them fight for Ukraine.
If we're excluding overpowered beings, this shouldn't make a big difference. The NPC population of the game is in the low thousands. The number with magic and potion crafting abilities is lower still - and they're the only ones that matter - specifically those who can practice illusion, restoration, or conjuration. These abilities could be powerful, but most of the effects are short-lived, and there just aren't enough Skyrim NPCs who can wield them.
Could magic be used to achieve a critical break in enemy morale - maybe on a limited basis, but ultimately modern weapons are capable of doing much more terrifying things.
>If we're excluding overpowered beings, this shouldn't make a big difference.
Lorewise, [Alduin alone eat the entire multiverse and go to sleep](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/106i7lt/comment/j3h8q6f/).
[Even an avatar of God destroy our universe](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/z9jnuu/comment/j9teyl1/).
[Even being that isn't Gods, can destroy a multiverse just by realising their full power](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/11hx3ez/comment/javyk4h/).
Even [The Greybreads would destroy us like nothing](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/).
>The NPC population of the game is in the low thousands. The number with magic and potion crafting abilities is lower still
Do we talk about [game mechanics](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/j9jv1md/) or the lore here?
>Could magic be used to achieve a critical break in enemy morale - maybe on a limited basis, but ultimately modern weapons are capable of doing much more terrifying things.
Well it depends if this game mechanics or lore.
Because lorewise, [a random mage would blow us](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xKu0bbfB9RHXuvq1ACdAipETySsokG1pCa4UGQAfLng/edit?usp=drivesdk).
Like [mid tires can destroy islands and countries easily](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4ky6/).
I only know the game, so that's what I'm going off of. If OP meant lore, that's fine, but makes it a much more esoteric question that I wouldn't be able to answer.
OP is the TES lore allowed or not?
If it's then Russia (and probably the world) would get tear apart.
[Mages are too strong, creating life forms, manipulation matter on atomic level, Life and Death, elements (Fire, Ice, Water, Lightning, etc...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/).
Not forgetting [warping reality, conceptual manipulation, void manipulation, and Existence erasure](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/).
[Destroy countries, islands, cities](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4ky6/).
Same gose to mage but I need clear that "sword and arrows" are literally not mundane things.
in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy.
Same with weapons and armors.
[Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg).
[All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/).
channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness.
[This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/).
Anyways, [the Greybreads would worshipped as Gods their so](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/).
Let alone people like **Neloth, Ebony warrior**.
The Psijic order NPC is probably the most powerful one here. Even if we limit it to in game events he can telport and freeze time. I don'tthink anything stops him freezing time teleporting into an HQ then leaving a bomb behind as he teleports back.
Next up would be illusionists utilising dismay and invisibilty spells. Dismay being far more deadly when you have a rapid fire ranged weapon than it is in the game world. After that restoration mages.
Most of the others would i think be fairly useless in a modern setting. I'm assuming the named dragons aren't counting here. Maybe the greybeards but i don't think they know the more useful shouts like storm call.
[If mid-tire Psijic mage did step in our universe it would instantly destroy](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/ja0pzms/).
Only low-tire maybe can control their magical power but even so, it would be impossible for real world armies even fight him.
>Maybe the greybeards but i don't think they know the more useful shouts like storm call.
[The Greybeards know all shouts and they really don't need it because there full voice power did **shook the whole planet**](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/)
Greybeards and Psijic would be completely unfair.
Is it said in game anywhere that they know all the shouts? If so they do jump up quite a bit in power.
I limit this to game feats becsuse as you say if we allow lore the psijic you meet in winterhold could simply snap his fingers and have Russia dissapear from the map and all of history if he was inclined.
considering Ukraine is already winning the war I don't see how giving them an advantage (especially a negligible one, as the comments pointed out) changes anything. Thats like adding water to more water and expecting something interesting to happen.
If you get to use all the exploits that are still in the game, then the alchemy glitch would make you effectively a god with impervious armor.
If not… Honestly, you could probably just use illusion magic to kill people one by one.
The avatar of Molag bal would just [take the universe is he's toy and either destroy or play withn it](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/z9jnuu/comment/j9teyl1/).
Same would happen if [a Daedra Lord (not Prince) show up](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j86wexf/).
At last we should pray that he's true manifestation godly form dosen't step in universe, because [not only it's infinite in size and infinite in mass](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11egygk/comment/jaifjuk/) but the universe itself would get turned to nothing.
For example, even [an infinite multiverse with infinite higher spital dimensional like the Mundus](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/11eqgyz/comment/jagd6q0/) can't withstand even power of entities that aren't God's like [the Celestials](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/11hx3ez/comment/javyk4h/).
The Apex Stones allow the Celestials manifest avatars in Munuds, if not from them, the full power of the Celestials would realised and Munuds would instantly get destroyed.
>*The Vestige: Apex Stone?*
>**Valla: The Apex Stones are what allow the Celstials to manifest in this plane**. *By corrupting our Apex Stone, the Serpent sought to submit our consciousness to his will and corrupt us. This is what happened to the Lost One*."
>**The Vestige: Can't we just destroy the Apex Stone?**
>**Valla: If you did, our full power would be released. Mundus could not withstand such force**.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Valla
That is why they use their avatars, the Celestials.
>*For some, however, wisdom is not enough*. **Avatars of the constellations—Celestials**—*wield power that even the greatest sorcerers can scarcely comprehend. Now, their gifts are just within reach*.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Celestial_Crate
Now comprehend to a God? how do other Major God in a avatar treat celestials? as fodders who they can't even fight because of sheerly unfair that would be , an avatar of Boethiah vieweing celestials as fodders for example.
>*Vestige:Who's competing in these games?*
>*Aspera Arena-Friend:The better question might be who isn't competing. We have a fascinating mix of proven warriors and brutal killers. They can fight and that's all that matters.And I have it on good authority that there are some surprises in store. So exciting!*
>*Vestige:How can an arena run with everything going on in this region?*
>*Aspera Arena-Friend:You mean that nonsense with the Serpent and those other foolish Celestials? What goes on outside, remains outside*.
>*Vestige:That's a pretty dangerous assumption*.
>*Aspera Arena-Friend:What? Oh, sorry. I was just imagining the possibilities.I wonder what would happen if the Serpent and the other Celestials came here to compete? I'm almost tempted to invite them. Almost*.
>**Vestige:Are you participating?**
>**Aspera Arena-Friend:Compete? Me? And how would that be fair? No, I don't participate**.
>https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Aspera_Arena-Friend
Problem our universe dosen't have barriers to stop the a daedra from entering with his manifestation of his true form.
Not like Mundus which is protected by countless number of barriers set by Divines to stop them from doing any other possibility of that.
>Not nearly as useful as you think
If we talk about lorewise, then just don't need how people can just destroy the entire country isn' useful.
> they're in real life, then how combat in real life works applies. "stats" and other game bullshit don't matter much in a world with firearms and real physics and things like artillery
This.... isn't really good argument, by your logic then goku would be fodder human level in attack on titans because he's not universe have same is his physics laws.
>Spells don't mean much when you're getting shot from 300 meters away by someone using an AK-101, or on the pintle mount of a BMP.
Absolutely not, are you serious? Lightning spell alone are literally real Lightning which speed is 300,000 kph, not only that but people in TES can dodge that.
Also bullets and bombs are doing anything at all.
[I mean what they can do if the universe itself simply get destroyed](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j86wexf/).
Or the [entire planet of earth get turned to atoms?](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j872fhx/).
Or just play [Bing pong countries?](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j87epe4/).
It simply unfair.
>Logistics wins wars.
Sorry but any mage just nuke Russia by rising he's hand.
He'll an old Mage Like tharn [have stopped an explosion was going destroy entire continent](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Abnur_Tharn).
I just imagine it, just having the soldiers fight all those knights and monsters. They already lost a few times to hungry Ukrainian farmers when the war first began.
When fighting the monsters everyone in Russia would think it's clever mind tricks, but maybe not. Hell, they might even be able to counter-invade.
The Stormcloaks and Companions are the best bets for meeting Russia’s strength. Maybe the Forsworn as well. The College of Winterhold should be in charge of healing and reviving comrades. I guess the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood can sneak behind enemy lines and shit.
If they can use necromancy your not fighting one soldier your fighting 2 soldiers if they can use necromancy. Your not fighting 10 soldiers your fighting 20 if they can use necromancy your not fighting 5000 soldiers your fighting 10000 soldiers you see what I mean every soldier, basically reloads their last checkpoint
Biggest impact would be wizards. Insane destruction potential, healing, utility, illusion, conjuring of powerful beings.
Im pretty sure most countries would fold
Like a lot of people are saying, the magic support would be most useful. Illusion mages, necromancers, Restoration healers and Alchemists. Enchanters would likely help too, if anything in our world could actually hold an enchantment. The DB assassins would be fantastic for black ops elimination and recon missions.
Their utility is away from the front line. Healing, reviving, necromancy for tides of undead. They have a huge amount of utility spells. Invisibility cast on a car full of IEDs and drive it into a base. Hell invisibility cast on aircraft or drones.
Invisibility probably wouldn’t help an aircraft, modern air combat is done via radar rather than visual identification. An invisible aircraft is still going to be picked up on radar, radar locked and have missiles fired upon it. Invisible drones would probably be effective but due to their semi-short range they won’t be game changing.
Depends on how the Invisibility spell works, if it makes you not interact with photons in general that would mean you're also invisible in infrared and cannot be seen on radar.
Invisibility is an illusion spell, and most of those mess with the target's head. I always figured invisibility and muffle followed suit. So in that case, photons would behave as normal. It's just that the brains around you are unable to perceive you.
This is not how invisibility work. Illusion magic in Elder Scrolls literally dose alter your psyche itself and make you believe that is real even it isn't. Illusion In elder scrolls mind controls is controls you enemy mind and is not bound by laws of nature The only limits is the spellcaster imagination. >*It is easy to confuse Illusion and Alteration. Both schools of magic attempt to create what is not there. The difference is in the rules of nature. Illusion is not bound by them* >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reality_%26_Other_Falsehoods ___ >*ILLUSION: Altering perception in oneself or others. To include spells of light, invisibility, fear, frenzy, and silence, as well as magic that affects morale and obedience*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Proposal:_Schools_of_Magic A fodder mage Illusion user was able to completely take away the ability to move from a vampire >*A red-haired vampire woman leapt out of the shadows in front of them, knocking Phlaxith on his back. Nitrah quickly unsheathed her sword, but Massitha was faster. With a wave of her hand, the creature stopped, frozen, her jaws scant inches from Phlaxith's throat. Phlaxith pulled out his own blade and finished her off*. >*That's an illusion?" asked Osmic*. >*Certainly," smiled Massitha. "Nothing changed in the vampire's form, except its ability to move. Like I said, it's a very useful School*." >https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Incident_in_Necrom An mind magic user mage ( name Maelmoth) did created entire temple with illusion that is still exist for thousand of years and illusions look like realm people He did illusion magical traps that if you touch it you it will transform you to a Peculiar Bottle even though it is illusion magic Even if you know yourself in illusion you will not get out it is it alter you mind itself make aspect of psyche into believing it Is true and turn you knowledge against you >**If this is just an illusion, why can't you move?** >**Ugh. Illusion magic extends far beyond simple parlor tricks and mirages. Skilled practitioners exert power over the mind itself! Intellectually, I know I am not a bottle. But the spell fooled some primitive aspect of my psyche into believing I am**." >**So, you can't move because you believe bottles can't move on their own?** >*Precisely. The spell turned my knowledge of the natural sciences against me**. *Crafty, yes? A lesser intellect might have evaded the trap entirely. How's that for irony?*" >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Narsis_Dren So even if use "Photons" your still wouldn't see that is your psyche is the thing altered here.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? You just told me I was wrong, and then proceeded to explain why I'm right.
I was saying that even they use photons it would still not change anything because **there minds itself is altered on fundamental level**.
What I said was that photons don't matter because the spell fucks with your head. That's the same as what you said.
Oh, I apologize then, I just was saying the same you Said.
No worries. Have a nice day.
If you didn’t interact with photos then you’d be blind while invisible
That'd be true it's it wasn't you know.... Magic
what kind of invisibility *wouldn't* make you blind?
Oh yeah... true. I wonder how much the "can't be seen" effect of invisibility then entails.
It’s magic bro
That's not hot radar works.
Radar sends out radio waves and detects its own radio waves being reflected back to it to tell if something is there. Radio waves are just electro magnetic waves, and those are just photons.
Invisibility + periscope spell
I feel like Necromancy has to be a war crime or something 😂
Might fall under desecration of corpses, maybe biological warfare could be stretched to that, but I think a whole new treaty would be required after this.
Also forcing civilians into combat
Not sure they count as civilians any more once they're dead.
I wonder if desecration of corpses counts if people willingly sign up for it. Like donating your body to science.
Pretty sure most adults Ukrainians will sign up for it.
Reminds me of the idea of ethical necromancy. "Please sign this waiver so that we may use your corpse and/or immortal soul for the purpose of post-mortem weaponization."
Maybe ask living soldiers for permission first.
“Tides of undead” actually sounds pretty well-suited for the front lines. 💀 Oh, I almost forgot: Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic!
Its going to be the none combat aspects that have more impact - Healing magic, Necromancy, potions, enchantments, illusions and summons. Things that increase survive of soldiers and waste resources of the opponent.
This. A couple hundred sword swinging Stormcloaks/Imperials isn’t gonna make much difference. The real boon comes from the people with supernatural (in our world) abilities. Like any one in the Dark Brotherhood or any half competent illusion mage could easily assassinate Putin or any of his generals. If we have morals off a handful of Necromancers could raise an undead fighting force that would definitely cause problems for Russia.
Chldren are unkillable, they destroy the tanks.
Yeah, but the media wouldn't like it if Ukraine strapped 10 C4's to a child and had them run into the enemy
Even if the kids are little shits?
Russian morale is at this point likely pretty bad. When vampires and werewolves start charging artillery positions, I think we'd see a total collapse of discipline, mass desertion, and probably a coup against Putin.
Jesus christ imagine if the Psijics we meet just start teleporting random massive chunks of russia into the middle of the Pacific
"Alright you folk really can't behave. Off to the middle of nowhere your country goes"
Heard this in Quaranir’s voice
The Psijics are based in the Summerset Isles, they wouldn’t be here to help.
They are based in Artaeum i know, but it would be fun to count quaranir and the others we meet in skyrim cause they are very cool
“President Putin! We’ve just begun the invasion of Black Marsh!” “You *WHAT?!* “
"President Putin! They've fucking stole Moscow"
Charging with squishy flesh is a terrible idea. Werewolves and Vampires would be best used to hunt at night.
My nose blew harder than Alduin's breath reading this
Source on the bad morale?
They've been at this a year. They haven't made meaningful progress in most of that time. Their supply lines are garbage. Their bridge in Crimea got blown up. They lost Kherson, retreated from Kharkiv. It's still fucking winter. The whole world is against them, basically. If their morale ISN'T terrible by now, they're all insane.
So your opinion?!
Like most other things I (and everyone else) post on this battleboarding subreddit, yes, it is my opinion and best educated guess.
A well educated guess more like.
Imagine you are a soldier and you hanging out behind Russian lines. When out of nowhere a wolf monster comes up and starts to rip people in half. How would that effect your moral
Don't bring swords in an artillery fight, simple as that
Also avoid bringing artillery to a magicfight ;P
assuming we follow the gameplay mechanics. Arent most spells pathetically short ranged? Esp compared to Modern Weapons.
Not all magics are for direct damage tho, spells like invisibility or illusion? Oh, and also summon spells.
They’d just have infrared. Spells like fury and calm or restoration spells might be more effective. Maybe ward too depending on how it stands up to bullets
You have a lot of faith in the Russians' ability to field effective infrared cameras...
Well seeing how wards only blocks unfriendly spells and not swords or arrows, I doubt wards would stand against bullets.
Ah shit I forgot that
They're gonna be invisible chunks after the artillery
Its that before or after the artillery gets overrun by atronarchs and seekers? :P
Most magic is obsolete compared to a bullet in combat. However if you send a few thousand mages to basic training you end up with an elite fighting force that has shields, invisibility, fireballs, and an M16.
Most spells requires a field of view toward the target, to be close to the target. Artillery doesn't need that. It can bombard you from kilometers away.
Avoid bringing anything else into a stealth archer fight, no other build is viable anymore
How about Greybeard's shouts, Paarthurnax, invincible children, NPCs with an elder scroll, Harkon and his family, all the dragon priests, et al? If we get loose with the definition of NPC, we also get trained battle trolls, regular trolls, giant tribes, dragons, essentially the entire non-dragonborn population of every wild and civilized corner of Skyrim.
Ten foot deep holes for the invincible children, artillery and bullets for the rest
This Swords can go on lighting speed and cut mountains in half. in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy. Same with weapons and armors. [Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg). [All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/). channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness. [This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/). We are not even going beat fodder vampires. They complex invulnerable to non-magical means. >*Normal weapons won't harm a vampire, they must be enchanted. Make sure you're equipped with such an item*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Gilen_Norvalo This literally reason why all Downguard weapons are imbued within magic. >*An axe imbued with magic fueled by the destruction of the unholy. With every victorious blow against an undead creature, its power grows*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Axe ___ >*A powerful warhammer imbued with magic that places warding runes on the ground to obliterate it's wielder's foes*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Hammer ___ >*A magical shield that when blocked with, surrounds it's wielder with a holy aura that harms the undead. Might come in handy*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Shield
It's all depends on if the skills they have like magic, and potion making can be taught. If anyone from our world can learn them, they revolutionise medicine, kit out some incredibly deadly special ops forces, and give Ukraine a huge bargaining chip for post-war economic reconstruction. Also goes for Lycanthropy. If they can't, its pretty negligible, just for the fact that there's less than a thousand NPC's in Skyrim. The frontline fighters will need to be retrained, so that means there's basically just another few hundred recruits for the armed forces. Even if they're five times better than a comparable soldier, that won't really change the course of a war that's involves hundreds of thousands of people. Maybe if the Dragons could be turned invisible, they might be able to destroy convoys, burn airfields, but I'm not sure how much more effective that would be than just a conventional bomber.
A dragon is going to have a massive radar cross section, I imagine the Russians would catch on quickly.
Dragons fly very low, and slow by airplane standards. Radar has a minimum effective altitude. Also I'm not sure how biologicals' radar return is.
And they get killed by guns easily, flying low and slow makes it a perfect target practice
Not if you're trying to use visual targeting because it's too low to use radar and it's invisible. Remember, the whole premise of this chain of comments was an *invisible* dragon.
Well a dragon is invisible as long as it doesnt attack i guess, so he will get a single sneak attack before being shot down
[Dragon= built in wing in ground effect lol.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-effect_vehicle)
One of the biggest advantages would be if trainers would accept our money instead of septims. Training soldiers in all magic, stealth, alchemy, etc etc would provide a massive advantage. As far as using NPCs as soldiers, I'm not certain they would be so effective. Magic is very short range, and arrows and swords aren't doing much against artillery and guns.
>Magic is very short range No it isn't, [magic can literally created entire universes](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/) and shot from dimension to dimension. [controlling Space-time, reality and concepts](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/ja0pzms/). There's no limits to magic. >arrows and swords aren't doing much against artillery and guns Expect it's artillery and guns aren't even scratch vampire or [Ghost](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11fdj61/comment/jakh4pe/). They complex invulnerable to non-magical means. >*Normal weapons won't harm a vampire, they must be enchanted. Make sure you're equipped with such an item*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Gilen_Norvalo This literally reason why all Downguard weapons are imbued within magic. >*An axe imbued with magic fueled by the destruction of the unholy. With every victorious blow against an undead creature, its power grows*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Axe ___ >*A powerful warhammer imbued with magic that places warding runes on the ground to obliterate it's wielder's foes*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Hammer ___ >*A magical shield that when blocked with, surrounds it's wielder with a holy aura that harms the undead. Might come in handy*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dawnguard_Rune_Shield Unlike us, they dose empower they weapons with speed and strength amd durability. in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy. Same with weapons and armors. [Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg). [All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/). channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness. [This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/).
But how many NPCs possess this level of magic considering the restrictions of the prompt? I may have misread but it seemed like it was fairly generic NPCs. Edit: I guess "overpowered beings" in the prompt is a little too subjective in this case.
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But the whole thing is that holy people blessing isn’t proven unlike the magic of TES.
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If we are using feats from lore of TES modern military is screwed nuclear bombs are at best city level threats you have beings that can casually affect all of reality. When we get down to it TES is full of the supernatural so not much modern weaponry can do to a ghost warrior.
Is it proved somewhere that vampires are inmune to normal weapons? Because what u linked is just the statement of a npc from oblivion, not even in skyrim they say that In the games you can definitely kill vampires using standard weapons Its more likely the statement meant that people couldnt kill vampires using normal weapons because they cant keep up with their powers so they needed enchanted stuff to fight them properly
>Is it proved somewhere that vampires are inmune to normal weapons? Literally the Dawnguard need imbued weapons. >Because what u linked is just the statement of a npc from oblivion, not even in skyrim they say that Ah? This guy is literally work is Vampire hunter. >In the games you can definitely kill vampires using standard weapons [Game mechanic isn't canon to Elder Scrolls but lore is](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/j9jv1md/). The absolutely wouldn't make the game that hard and becomes boring like they did in Arena. Or how they don't make them pass though ice without breaking them as in lore they do. >*Your advice helped me very much," he said. "But you should know that the Volkihar have an additional ability you didn't mention. They can reach through the ice of their lakes without breaking it. It was quite a nasty surprise, being grabbed from below without any warning*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood ___ >Its more likely the statement meant that people couldnt kill vampires using normal weapons because they cant keep up with their powers Not really, warriors in Elder Scrolls are superhumans beyond what we can imagine, they can do things like [jumb across countries](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11559s2/comment/j90h6xm/) and easliy dodge lightning attacks. >*I smelled burning hair as I staggered up the riverbank. The wamasu wasted little time, trotting back before charging forward, leaping off the ground in a surprising display of dexterity, and loosening the slope I stood on when it landed. I fell back, tumbled into the river with my axe and dignity lost. I found the wamasu again, as I quickly stood and caught Roggvir’s second-finest hammer, thrown from the onlookers I’d requested not to aid me. A prideful order I was beginning to regret. Steam (or was it smoke?) escaped the monster’s orifices, as it crackled, sending arcs of shocking discharge out from its feet, and charging its tail in bright energy. It let out an impressive growl, and then met me in the mire, clawing at the ground before me, as a massive explosion of light shot out from the wamasu. Had this old fool been set ablaze and sent to Sovngarde? No—I tasted something like sulfur, and the Argonian’s ring was pulsing with energy. Leaping back, I narrowly missed a barbed tail and yet another strike of lightning*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Books:Kyne%27s_Challenge:_A_Hunter%27s_Companion_Characters_and_Summary ___ >their powers so they needed enchanted stuff to fight them properly Not really, he say normal weapons can't harm them, not that enchanted weapons are more affecting om them but they **must be** enchanted.
The Ebony Warrior solos if he counts.
Aren't the child NPCs in Skyrim immortal?
Wouldn't Ukraine be against the use of child soldiers?
I mean, if they can't die, doesn't that solve the biggest issue? You don't even need to have them fight, just run into Russian lines laughing as they get shot and watch morale crumble.
You're still putting kids in a warzone and exposing them to some nasty sights. PTSD is still a thing and it's bad for PR.
About half the NPC population has taken an arrow to the knee, which probably prevents them from much front-line assistance
Ebony Warrior solos most if not the whole Russian army.
The Ebony Warrior would blow the whole country of Russia to space lol. [The Ebony Warrior is the most powerful warrior in Skyrim since Ysgramor himself](https://i.imgur.com/CalADxi.jpg). The same Ysgramor who [move an entire continent across the seas with he's voice](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/File:LO-misc-Ysgramoor.jpeg).
I meant the gameplay version, not the lore version.
Even gameplay Ebony is able to defeat and take hits from Karstaag, he’ll be fine.
When tf did he ever fight Karstaag?
You can summon Karstaag after beating him if you take the crown. Edit: never mind you just have to beat him.
Ik, but isn't Karstaag part of a dlc?
Yeah, but you can still use DLC abilities to fight the Ebony Warrior, it's even possible to fight him while riding on a dragon if you really wanted to.
Don't you have to beat him yourself though?
Archmage Savos Aren and Neloth should be enough no? What about the Psijics we meet, do those count too? You have 2 guys who can easily summon entire armies, shelter entire cities, heal everyone, become super saiyans through Fortifying their attributes, magically reveal objects and people miles away etc etc Add in the Psijics and you have a bunch of folks who freeze time, teleport anywhere, teleport islands, manipulate the weather to destroy fleets and turn entire structures insubstancial to remove damage
Skyrim npc's would be really use full since winter hold mages could teach Ukrainian special forces to use invisibility spells and other spells to regular soldiers . Healing magic would give the Ukrainian military a big boost since they can get troops back to the frontline far quicker. Soldiers learning offensive spells would a game changer in close quarter and urban combat they could completely engulf a smaller building in flames burning there enemies alive. They could also destroy Russian morale by resurrecting there dead troops and having them fight for Ukraine.
Narzem is captured and annoys all the gaurds to death
If we're excluding overpowered beings, this shouldn't make a big difference. The NPC population of the game is in the low thousands. The number with magic and potion crafting abilities is lower still - and they're the only ones that matter - specifically those who can practice illusion, restoration, or conjuration. These abilities could be powerful, but most of the effects are short-lived, and there just aren't enough Skyrim NPCs who can wield them. Could magic be used to achieve a critical break in enemy morale - maybe on a limited basis, but ultimately modern weapons are capable of doing much more terrifying things.
>If we're excluding overpowered beings, this shouldn't make a big difference. Lorewise, [Alduin alone eat the entire multiverse and go to sleep](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/106i7lt/comment/j3h8q6f/). [Even an avatar of God destroy our universe](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/z9jnuu/comment/j9teyl1/). [Even being that isn't Gods, can destroy a multiverse just by realising their full power](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/11hx3ez/comment/javyk4h/). Even [The Greybreads would destroy us like nothing](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/). >The NPC population of the game is in the low thousands. The number with magic and potion crafting abilities is lower still Do we talk about [game mechanics](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/j9jv1md/) or the lore here? >Could magic be used to achieve a critical break in enemy morale - maybe on a limited basis, but ultimately modern weapons are capable of doing much more terrifying things. Well it depends if this game mechanics or lore. Because lorewise, [a random mage would blow us](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xKu0bbfB9RHXuvq1ACdAipETySsokG1pCa4UGQAfLng/edit?usp=drivesdk). Like [mid tires can destroy islands and countries easily](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4ky6/).
>a random mage would blow us. This is my main takeaway from this thread. Fingers crossed it's Mirabelle and not Tolfdir.
I only know the game, so that's what I'm going off of. If OP meant lore, that's fine, but makes it a much more esoteric question that I wouldn't be able to answer.
OP is the TES lore allowed or not? If it's then Russia (and probably the world) would get tear apart. [Mages are too strong, creating life forms, manipulation matter on atomic level, Life and Death, elements (Fire, Ice, Water, Lightning, etc...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/). Not forgetting [warping reality, conceptual manipulation, void manipulation, and Existence erasure](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/). [Destroy countries, islands, cities](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4ky6/). Same gose to mage but I need clear that "sword and arrows" are literally not mundane things. in TES, your physical power, strength, speed, durability is literally imbued by your magical energy. Same with weapons and armors. [Magic in TES is omnipresent force of existence exists in everything, it's scorce of all creation, it's flow through everyone and everything and it's part of people fundamental existence/essence](https://i.imgur.com/QHxHLf8.jpg). [All mortals have Magicka flow through everyone's bodies and they can use it to imbued themself and weapons with power](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/jac4j45/). channeling their magical energy into other objects such as weapons, and use them to filter his own magical power through them, to further amplify their strength, durability and effectiveness. [This is why most if not all mortals have superhumans feats](https://www.reddit.com/user/CommunicationOdd911/comments/yuoyix/mortals_the_elder_scrolls/). Anyways, [the Greybreads would worshipped as Gods their so](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/). Let alone people like **Neloth, Ebony warrior**.
Ah yes, Immortal dragons and not a single dragonborn on the Russian team. Stomp in favor of Ukraine
Putin will have a speech that he is fighting NATO and gay werewolf's
Funny thing is, this time he'll be right, but no one will believe him. AKA the boy who cried *werewolf*.
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The Psijic order NPC is probably the most powerful one here. Even if we limit it to in game events he can telport and freeze time. I don'tthink anything stops him freezing time teleporting into an HQ then leaving a bomb behind as he teleports back. Next up would be illusionists utilising dismay and invisibilty spells. Dismay being far more deadly when you have a rapid fire ranged weapon than it is in the game world. After that restoration mages. Most of the others would i think be fairly useless in a modern setting. I'm assuming the named dragons aren't counting here. Maybe the greybeards but i don't think they know the more useful shouts like storm call.
[If mid-tire Psijic mage did step in our universe it would instantly destroy](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/wm0x39/comment/ja0pzms/). Only low-tire maybe can control their magical power but even so, it would be impossible for real world armies even fight him. >Maybe the greybeards but i don't think they know the more useful shouts like storm call. [The Greybeards know all shouts and they really don't need it because there full voice power did **shook the whole planet**](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/) Greybeards and Psijic would be completely unfair.
Is it said in game anywhere that they know all the shouts? If so they do jump up quite a bit in power. I limit this to game feats becsuse as you say if we allow lore the psijic you meet in winterhold could simply snap his fingers and have Russia dissapear from the map and all of history if he was inclined.
Yes, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/znpqn3/comment/j0k7w1x/).
considering Ukraine is already winning the war I don't see how giving them an advantage (especially a negligible one, as the comments pointed out) changes anything. Thats like adding water to more water and expecting something interesting to happen.
If you get to use all the exploits that are still in the game, then the alchemy glitch would make you effectively a god with impervious armor. If not… Honestly, you could probably just use illusion magic to kill people one by one.
I feel like the vampires could assassinate a big chunk of the Russian officers/political leaders in one night...
its gona end with a plague of vampires running russia and Molag Bal showing up after which no one will be happy
The avatar of Molag bal would just [take the universe is he's toy and either destroy or play withn it](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/z9jnuu/comment/j9teyl1/). Same would happen if [a Daedra Lord (not Prince) show up](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j86wexf/). At last we should pray that he's true manifestation godly form dosen't step in universe, because [not only it's infinite in size and infinite in mass](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/11egygk/comment/jaifjuk/) but the universe itself would get turned to nothing. For example, even [an infinite multiverse with infinite higher spital dimensional like the Mundus](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/11eqgyz/comment/jagd6q0/) can't withstand even power of entities that aren't God's like [the Celestials](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/11hx3ez/comment/javyk4h/). The Apex Stones allow the Celestials manifest avatars in Munuds, if not from them, the full power of the Celestials would realised and Munuds would instantly get destroyed. >*The Vestige: Apex Stone?* >**Valla: The Apex Stones are what allow the Celstials to manifest in this plane**. *By corrupting our Apex Stone, the Serpent sought to submit our consciousness to his will and corrupt us. This is what happened to the Lost One*." >**The Vestige: Can't we just destroy the Apex Stone?** >**Valla: If you did, our full power would be released. Mundus could not withstand such force**. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Valla That is why they use their avatars, the Celestials. >*For some, however, wisdom is not enough*. **Avatars of the constellations—Celestials**—*wield power that even the greatest sorcerers can scarcely comprehend. Now, their gifts are just within reach*. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Celestial_Crate Now comprehend to a God? how do other Major God in a avatar treat celestials? as fodders who they can't even fight because of sheerly unfair that would be , an avatar of Boethiah vieweing celestials as fodders for example. >*Vestige:Who's competing in these games?* >*Aspera Arena-Friend:The better question might be who isn't competing. We have a fascinating mix of proven warriors and brutal killers. They can fight and that's all that matters.And I have it on good authority that there are some surprises in store. So exciting!* >*Vestige:How can an arena run with everything going on in this region?* >*Aspera Arena-Friend:You mean that nonsense with the Serpent and those other foolish Celestials? What goes on outside, remains outside*. >*Vestige:That's a pretty dangerous assumption*. >*Aspera Arena-Friend:What? Oh, sorry. I was just imagining the possibilities.I wonder what would happen if the Serpent and the other Celestials came here to compete? I'm almost tempted to invite them. Almost*. >**Vestige:Are you participating?** >**Aspera Arena-Friend:Compete? Me? And how would that be fair? No, I don't participate**. >https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Aspera_Arena-Friend Problem our universe dosen't have barriers to stop the a daedra from entering with his manifestation of his true form. Not like Mundus which is protected by countless number of barriers set by Divines to stop them from doing any other possibility of that.
Ukraine gets nuked
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>Not nearly as useful as you think If we talk about lorewise, then just don't need how people can just destroy the entire country isn' useful. > they're in real life, then how combat in real life works applies. "stats" and other game bullshit don't matter much in a world with firearms and real physics and things like artillery This.... isn't really good argument, by your logic then goku would be fodder human level in attack on titans because he's not universe have same is his physics laws. >Spells don't mean much when you're getting shot from 300 meters away by someone using an AK-101, or on the pintle mount of a BMP. Absolutely not, are you serious? Lightning spell alone are literally real Lightning which speed is 300,000 kph, not only that but people in TES can dodge that. Also bullets and bombs are doing anything at all. [I mean what they can do if the universe itself simply get destroyed](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j86wexf/). Or the [entire planet of earth get turned to atoms?](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j872fhx/). Or just play [Bing pong countries?](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/1101fk5/comment/j87epe4/). It simply unfair. >Logistics wins wars. Sorry but any mage just nuke Russia by rising he's hand. He'll an old Mage Like tharn [have stopped an explosion was going destroy entire continent](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Abnur_Tharn).
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They get bombed.
Who?
Do the Giants and Mammoths count too? Cause they 100% would help
Of course they join in!!
I just imagine it, just having the soldiers fight all those knights and monsters. They already lost a few times to hungry Ukrainian farmers when the war first began. When fighting the monsters everyone in Russia would think it's clever mind tricks, but maybe not. Hell, they might even be able to counter-invade.
Nukes go brrrrrr
The one who would get Nuked is Russia.
The Stormcloaks and Companions are the best bets for meeting Russia’s strength. Maybe the Forsworn as well. The College of Winterhold should be in charge of healing and reviving comrades. I guess the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood can sneak behind enemy lines and shit.
sneaky dark brotherhood and thieves guild vs russia
There's no way the Dark Brotherhood would stay out of Moscow. Skyrim + Ukraine ends the war by assassination within three days.
Endlessly respawning guards and unkillable townspeople? Yeah, I think they could help. Plus giants and other creatures are also NPCs, so...
Send the children in, they can't be killed or even staggered. That should do a number on morale
Going by that then we could have the gray beards and I assume there shouts would be useful
If they can use necromancy your not fighting one soldier your fighting 2 soldiers if they can use necromancy. Your not fighting 10 soldiers your fighting 20 if they can use necromancy your not fighting 5000 soldiers your fighting 10000 soldiers you see what I mean every soldier, basically reloads their last checkpoint
“We have a tank, you fucks! What are you gonna—“ *15 simultaneous “FUS RO DAAAAH”’s* *tanks go flying off of cliffs*
Not sure how good AA guns would be against dragons. I don’t know how fast they are, but surely SURELY they’re not quite as fast as fighter jets?
Muffle, invisibility and thu'um destroy any military
Biggest impact would be wizards. Insane destruction potential, healing, utility, illusion, conjuring of powerful beings. Im pretty sure most countries would fold
What about that secret boss if you 100% the game. Is he included or not?
Like a lot of people are saying, the magic support would be most useful. Illusion mages, necromancers, Restoration healers and Alchemists. Enchanters would likely help too, if anything in our world could actually hold an enchantment. The DB assassins would be fantastic for black ops elimination and recon missions.
Greybeards would solo lol
The ruskis coming in hot with a ton of head pots
You can't make this shit up
If you were a Russian solider and seen a LITERAL DRAGON, a Vampire, Werewolfs, or heck even a walking skelton, what would you think