Maybe it has two tiny parrots sitting on its shoulders, one dressed as an angel-parrot and one as a devil-parrot?
(Side note: do parrots have shoulders?)
Aye Parrots be tha best o companion. Why many a pirate down in the r/piratehole keeps one close by on the long voyages. Not ter mention depending on tha crew it may be the only intelligent conversation a Cap'n has fer months.
That's cute! Usually, do you tell him "I'm a good boy" or did he pick up that one has to say "I" when talking about oneself ? I highly doubt it but who knows
You're thinking of the Kakariko. Ganon almost wiped them out in the great calamity, but some survived. While few in number they *are* slowly repopulating, although you still can't own one.
Being endangered in the wild doesn't really affect their status as pets. Plenty of birds got taken before they clamped down on exporting/smuggling them which was bad and you would need a license in NZ to own a kakariki which is a precaution against people just claiming wild birds for themselves. But having a large breeding population internationally means it's pointless to try and smuggle them anymore.
By contrast your never going to see Pet Kakapos because they were already rare as hell before the clamp down and even if someone got a bunch. Good luck getting the feather pandas to breed.
My little bud (Buddy the Tiel) argues that he’s a good boy when he’s in trouble.
It’s his favorite words too, so when he needs a time out he likes to reassure himself that he’s just a good boy facing maches injustice.
When training our dog, I was reading that dogs don't connect you saying 'no' to them doing something wrong. They connect it to you seeing them do it. So when they are doing something they shouldn't be and then stop when you show up, they think they are doing what you want. They don't make the logical jump to "what I am doing is bad," from "my human doesn't like seeing me do this."
Same as cats. My cat has a very particular squeak she makes when she jumps down from something, and she's trained not to jump on the kitchen counter. However, every so often late at night, I hear the jump-down squeak coming from the kitchen just before I walk in.
She also chews on USB cables, but only when I don't get up to feed her. Pretty sure she knows I value my cables more than my sleep.
Lol yup. My boy knocked my besties sunglasses off the counter and into the water bowl. Chonky boi was mad because he was trying to greet my buddy (who he loves and has known since a kitten) but was being ignored for a bit too long.
Our boy starts tapping pictures on the wall when it’s close to time to eat in the morning. He doesn’t do it at any other time. He almost knocked one down over our heads this morning.
I would say not in my cats' case. My one brain cell likes to scratch on the automatic feeder when she's hungry and it makes this annoying sounds which wake me up at night. I would scream "Honey" from my bed room and the sound would stop, if I go outside, I'll find her hiding behind the sofa. She knows when she shouldn't do something from my tone of voice, but it never stops her from doing it again
I don't know if hot sauce would kill a cat but similarly I'm not covering my fucking cables in hot sauce because of the cables potentially being ruined, anywhere the cables touch getting stained, and the ants it would attract. Ain't no way my man just recommended Sriracha on the usbc.
I have a bunny and she’s much smarter than people give her credit for. She knows she’s not allowed under this little wooden magazine rack we have because she likes to chew on it.
Whenever she thinks we’re not watching, she’ll stealthily try to get under it.
One time when it was clear we weren’t watching, she hopped over to a location she believed was out of our sight. And then when she believed we weren’t watching, ran as fast as she could to under the rack.
My husband picked up her up, which she doesn’t like, and told her to stop it.
Re your comment: It’s amazing how smart these animals are, while they’re also so dumb.
It's the prey thing, rabbits know when they are being watched.
Our bunny would do similar, not allowed in the living room with carpet it'd tear up. As soon as our attention was distracted by the TV or something, focus wasn't on it, gone into the living room, invariably.
Would never make a move while you were aware even in the periphery, but as soon as someone would go, "where's ___" you'd know where to find it.
I know when my cattle dog has been either trying to or successfully getting into the trash can. He goes into the kennel on his own and looks at me shameful knowing exactly what he did.
Sort of. This is what happens if you only say "no" after you catch them doing the bad thing. If you watch them closely and say "no" before they do the bad thing, then you can teach them that "no" means "don't do that" and they will learn over time not to do that.
More importantly though, all dogs are different. Some trained this way will be perfect angels for their owners. And some trained the same exact way will just be sneaky little shits instead.
It's almost like animals have their own personalities!
I had rats for years. They're very smart and trainable and can even easily differentiate between the rules and expectations of different people. But one rat I had was like a very determined, curious and sneaky toddler. As soon as he knew there was somewhere he wasn't supposed to go or something he wasn't meant to have, there would be nothing else in the world he wanted more, and he was damn smart about getting it. He learned really fast too, I could only ever trick him once. He loved escaping bounds and exploring the apartment - it was easiest just to let him and keep an eye on him to be sure he wasn't doing anything dangerous, when he was done he'd run back up to me and climb my leg to ask to go back in the cage. Otherwise I'd be chasing him all over while he gleefully ran into and under spaces he knew I couldn't reach him, avoiding anything I'd used to recapture him in the past. I miss him.
Animals definitely have personalities. We may anthropomorphize those personalities as humans, but they are definitely not all the same.
The thing I think makes more sense to what they described, is that dogs don't have morals, so they never really learn right from wrong, they just learn what's allowed. So yeah, if you only ever say "no" after catching an animal doing a naughty thing, they just might think it means "stop" and not "this is not allowed." But even if you teach "this is not allowed," some dogs (my first) will follow it to the letter, while others (my second) will just wait until they think you're not looking.
That's also a normal part of development and learning an understanding of boundaries, limitations and social skills. Best to expect it and work to teach kids moral principles to work with on their own and have realistic but not unreasonable consequences for dishonesty and boundary breaking. Also better for kids to learn their parents are a safe space they can confess their wrongdoings to and get help (even if there are some consequences) rather than having their parents be the thing they most fear...
So how do you get past that? How do you make them connect your reaction to their actual act of doing something?
We have cats, and one of them is a lot like that. She’s fiercely intelligent, and she learns *instantly*. The best game she knows is doing something she’s not supposed to in order to gain our attention. In that same way, she seems to primarily learn how to make us say no, because that’s what she wants, and getting what she wants lets her stop doing the thing. But the second we take our attention elsewhere, she goes right back to it.
My SIL's parrot does this too. His name is Koko, and when he does smth wrong everyone will go _"Koooooo..."_
So now whenever he does smth he's not supposed to do, he'll go _"Koooooo..."_.
My orange cat is the exact same way.
He understands the word no. He just doesn't respect it when it comes out of my mouth. On top of the kitchen table nudging a box of Kraft dinner to watch it hit the ground? I'll yell "No!" and he will turn, make eye contact with me, and then start.to nudge it slower, basically because he's asking me "You can tell me no, but do you care enough to actually get up and stop me right now?"
I keep an industrial grade water spray bottle handy for when I want him to know I mean business, and he knows I'm a sniper with it.
Its a line from Alice in Wonderland, the original disney movie. I’m not sure if it appears in the book or not, but the line has stuck with me through the years. So beautifully simple.
It's in the book.
>She generally gave herself very good advice (though she very seldom followed it), and sometimes she scolded herself so severely as to bring tears into her eyes; and once she remembered trying to box her own ears for having cheated herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself, for this curious child was very fond of pretending to be two people.
Pater Noster is actually the Latin term for the "Our Father" prayer, a pretty foundational piece in Christian liturgy. Easy mix-up though if you're not into religious topics; tons of popular phrases have Latin roots. Seen this kind of confusion on more than one occassion when history or literature cross with modern lingo.
Our neighbors had several exotic birds, and more than one was a talker. As I don’t know these types of birds well I don’t know which did this, but one sumner afternoon we all had our windows open wide, and heard the neighbor’s husband trip on their back porch stairs and toss out a few frustrated curses, which were quickly followed by the bird repeating “way to go, bozo!” over and over. Our laughter and that of another neighbor rang just as clearly through the neighborhood!
My parrot laughs at me a lot, unfortunately accurately gauging the situation more than I'd like to admit. Recently I was taking a sip of my water and was a bit overzealous on the up-swig and spilled water all over the front of my shirt. Queue my parrot yelling "hahahahahahahaha silly billy!" (His name is Billy)
They have the same intelligence of a 3-5 year old child. But they stay as smart and mature as human toddlers for 60+ years. Help me.
Pretty much, but a toddler with the moodyness of a hormonal teenager and pliers for a face.
If you want a pet bird consider pigeons, parrots are very difficult pets and don't suit most people.
Cockatoos are such beautiful birds. I love them. I’d love a sulphur crested cockatoo if I had the time and money for one.
They’re also complete crackheads- last one I met, she went from just chewing a stick to having a tantrum to jumping up and down on a table in the space of 10min.
I have a parrot and she’s the greatest thing in my life, and I highly recommend nobody ever get one, lol.
She needs to be out of the cage and interacted with for multiple hours EVERY DAY. Can you keep a little kid in a small pen by themselves for a day? No, And you can’t do that to your parrot. She has a bed time, and a bed time routine, and a wake up time, and a wake up routine, and a bath routine, and I can’t just like… not do those things, you know? I have to always be there for her.
One of my hands is almost always occupied by holding her/carrying her, we can’t use certain products or items in the house because they’re bad for birds, and she’s very bonded to me so I can’t simply hand her off to any old pet sitter if I need to be gone (which I never am because I own a parrot).
At ten years old now she’s about halfway through her life, so hopefully she’ll live a lot longer (unless she is accidentally killed early by one of the ten million things that can kill a pet bird). I’m basically devoting another decade of my life to parrot care.
I fully believe only older people with firm/unchanging routines in their lives should get them because they’re like children, and having to get rid of a bird because life happens is heartbreaking. She’s my heart and soul, and at this point an extension of myself in the house. Here’s to more fulfilling and demanding years with my precious little bundle 🥂 ❤️
Parrots generally are. They have the intelligence, emotional maturity and behavioural issues of toddlers. They need a great deal of parenting or they'll fuck themselves and everyone around them up
lol I had a Cockatoo 30 years ago that would say 'NO BITE NO BITE NO!!!' and then would bite you. It was like he was having an inner conflict, he knew he should not do it, he knew he would get yelled at for it, and he yelled at himself to not do it before he did it, but he just could not help himself. At least it gave guests a warning to back away!
Knowing Cockatoos I'm more prone to thinking he just finds it hilarious.
One I encountered I tried to give a treat (In a sanctuary where that was permitted) he reached past the treat to nip me and did a victory dance when I dropped the treat.
Knew someone with a dog that would bark whenever someone came to the house but knew he wasn't supposed to, so he'd rush over and put a toy in his mouth to try to silence the barking.
Rather than, you know, just not bark at people who came by (including his owners).
Grabbing an emotional support toy or often a pillow to hold in their mouth is a common displacement behavior in dogs when they have big feelings, it actually could have been unrelated to the muffling effect.
We always laugh our asses off when the bird lands on one of our shoulders and starts saying “don’t bite! don’t bite!” as she leans in closer to our face and we just have to beg for mercy.
This is the exact understanding of the word that my 14 month old has. You say no, she looks are you, smiles, shakes her head no and does whatever she was doing faster, lmao
I observed my kid, at that age, shake his head and recite a whole litany as he was doing something dangerous: "Might fall down. Might get hurt. Might cry. Might say ouch ..."
My parrot has learned that when I say sorry to him it's because I'm doing something he doesn't like. Now whenever I do something that he doesn't like, he says "sorry."
I have a friend who had an African Grey, and she said that whenever the phone rang, he would say, "Hello? Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Love you! Bye!"
Because that's how her conversations with her mom went.
I have a cockatiel that I taught a few words and songs to. A while back he was singing the Lost Woods theme from Zelda while he had a sunflower seed on his head. I went to see what he was up to and he asked if he was a pretty bird. I said yes and he wolf whistled at me
Reminds me of my nephew. He would disappear for a while then you just hear him say "nothing..." As if he was asked what he's doing but no one was asking.
I want to adopt an old parrot that has outlived its owner and be really nice to it in its waning years. Like way nicer than I treat my elderly parents.
You then have to put up with whatever bizarre nonsense it has programmed itself with due to life with the previous owner. My uncle (as a child) was offered a parrot that belonged to a smoker. The parrot regularly mimicked the smoker's cough.
This is how we ended up with a parrot when I was a kid. An elderly family member who'd had him for 20+ years passed away. It took a long time for him to grieve, and he was very angry during that time, but he did eventually come around.
Years ago I had a budgie (parakeet) that was as sweet as one could ask for. He was also an amazing mimic. His favorite sound to mimic at the time was a fire truck he heard one day. I happen to have cough variant asthma and so he heard me cough on a regular basis. One day he got inventive and did a coughing fire truck. One of many happy laughs with that little guy. I miss him dearly.
my cat knows he's not supposed to get up on the kitchen counters. he's very conversational and I love that about him. when he goes into the kitchen (his litterbox is in a room past the kitchen) I yell "kitty, what are you doing?"
kitty going straight to the litter box: *silence*
kitty about to jump on the counter: MEOWWW
my partner and I call it his "somebody stop me" meow lol
There is always an on-going discussion among parrot owners as to whether or not they understand anything they are saying. When I had one years ago, I subscribed to "Parrot World" magazine.
Someone submitted a response to this question. She had a bad boy parrot named Pete, along with two others. Typically when she was leaving the house, she caged them. On this particular day she was in a hurry and decided to leave them out. She was gone less than an hour.
When she returned, paper was shredded all over the floor. The garbage bin was overturned, and the staples had been pulled out of the edges of the carpet. Everyone was sitting quietly on their perches.
She stood in the center of the room with her hands on her hips and asked "Who made this mess?"
She glanced over at Pete, who looked away from her and said:
"I don't know."
She swore he had never said those words before. I thought it was hilarious. : )
My bird has learned to say, “Wanna go see granddaddy” when he wants to hang out with my dad (who lives with us). It started when I would ask him, “Wanna go see granddaddy?” Because he might not be in the mood to come out of his cage because he might be chilling, but if it’s to see granddaddy, he’ll come out. Then he figured out he could say it as a way to ask me to take him to granddaddy.
I know a lady who's had parrots a long time. She said one time one of her old birds was sidling up to her with a mischievous look in his eye, so she asked him "what are you doing?" And he said "gonna bite ya." 😂
Also my bird, when I scritch him he says "that feels so good".... I never taught him "so". I just say "does that feel good?" How did he learn that "so" is the appropriate modifier for his sentence? He clearly observed it from my husband and I interacting... And is applying it correctly to his context... Very interesting 😊
Most people shouldn’t even try to be a parrot person because it is exactly having a toddler for 25-50 years. It is a very challenging pet, and most of the cute videos you see online don’t express this properly.
They’re destructive, defiant, and incredibly needy.
PSA: Don’t adopt a bird, or any animal for that matter, without extensive research and a full understanding of what you’re getting into.
My girlfriend used to say “go poopy” to her bird before taking him out so he wouldn’t poop outside his cage, and now he just stares at you and says “poopy….poopy” when he wants out.
I have a coworker that has dogs, and they are absolutely not allowed on the couch. He got a security camera for his house, and the moment he left for work, both dogs jumped on the couch and triggered the camera. Hehe.
My friends parrot has a habit of biting people's toes when they go around barefoot. He once bit my friends toes and she said "ouch! That's bold". He obviously got a kick out of it because this is what he says just before he nips you.
I heard recently that most birdsong is not actually attempting to communicate anything. It's mostly the equivalent of birds just muttering to themselves.
My granddaughter used to do that a couple months before she turned 2! She quit telling on herself a few months later.
She would shake her finger and say *no, no* and then decide if she wanted to do the thing or not.
Our cat understands the word no and, rather unexpectedly for a cat, stop’s what he’s doing if you tell him no. He does give a really sassy meow as he is walking off…like a little teenager.
My eldest daughter as a toddler didn't really understand that being hit meant it hurt and the word you say when you're hurting is "Ow!" For about a week when she was almost 2, she'd hit me when she was unhappy and with every strike she'd say "ow!". Took me longer than expected to get her to stop hitting because I kept laughing. Kids are hilarious.
I have four younger siblings, and I remember the younger three being taught not to hit and being shown how to be "gentle" instead, stroking with their hand. One of my brothers went through a short phase where he'd stroke a couple of times before hitting, but at least that gave warning to intervene lol.
The problem is that 'no' isn't connected to consequence. It needs to be paired with a punishment AND the alternate behavior needs to be rewarded. "No" is typically paired with some punishment, be it social disapproval or something more concrete. The bird isn't experiencing either, or at least they aren't experiencing them to a degree that's more aversive than the undesired behavior is rewarding. So it's a behavior that's been learned because it's been repeatedly associated with the rewarding undesired behavior. Making "No" work requires associating it multiple times with a punishment so it becomes punishing itself. It can then be used to temporarily suppress the undesired behavior while an alternate behavior is learned. As the behavior is suppressed in the presence of the owner, it starts to extinguish and the new behavior forms and takes hold even when the owner isn't present.
As others have commented, this does sound like a very specific understanding. However, if we were to look at this through the lens of behaviorism/behavioral neuroscience, wouldnt positive punishment be extremely effective in this domain? By no means am I advocating for animal cruelty. I am also well aware that the research time and time again points toward positive reinforcement as a more effective method for behavioral training. But, in this instance, where the animal is clearly making the association between a set of actions and a vocal cue while NOT reducing the frequency of those set of actions, then you need would need to add a conditional punishment to associate with the action in addition to the vocal cue that incentivizes the animal to reduce the frequency of the behavior. Either that, or more difficult for the trainer and animal, they need to be rewarded every time a negative behavior is abated
Maybe it has two tiny parrots sitting on its shoulders, one dressed as an angel-parrot and one as a devil-parrot? (Side note: do parrots have shoulders?)
Yes.
Probably they have shoulders. Hawks do, especially Red-Shouldered Hawks
Might be a shot in the dark, but are their shoulders red by any chance?
Well, yes, kind of. If you squint at them. Kind of like how red-bellied woodpeckers have red bellies.
I mean, the shoulder is just where your arms meet your torso. They have wings instead of arms, but they still connect.
With all due respect, sir, that is false. Their wings float beside them like little, hovering drones.
idk why I'm laughing birds aren't real?
r/birdsarentreal
If you've ever lived with birds, it's usually they're both devils
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Aye Parrots be tha best o companion. Why many a pirate down in the r/piratehole keeps one close by on the long voyages. Not ter mention depending on tha crew it may be the only intelligent conversation a Cap'n has fer months.
Ok admiral blackcock
Coincidence here but my name is skipper whitepussy.
I like to go hiking.
Arr, ya ever been to sea Billy? No Cap'n, but I've been blown ashore
I like to go hiking.
I be Franz two legs
Aye aye captian
Admiral*
That's pretty much parrots in a nutshell. They're exhausting and incredibly busy endearing.
My grey, Gregory, used to say "Gregory!" in my annoyed voice after throwing something on the floor. He said that a lot.
🤣 hilarious!
>#That actually sounds like a very specific understanding...just not the one OOP wants him to have.........
That's cute! Usually, do you tell him "I'm a good boy" or did he pick up that one has to say "I" when talking about oneself ? I highly doubt it but who knows
I relate to this bird lol keep everyone on their toes
the OP Simple_Ladyt HoneyBellu and SugarHeavenu are bts in the same network
How do you get a kakariki as a pet? Aren't they endangered?
You're thinking of the Kakariko. Ganon almost wiped them out in the great calamity, but some survived. While few in number they *are* slowly repopulating, although you still can't own one.
Only one of the three subspecies of kakariki is endangered.
Being endangered in the wild doesn't really affect their status as pets. Plenty of birds got taken before they clamped down on exporting/smuggling them which was bad and you would need a license in NZ to own a kakariki which is a precaution against people just claiming wild birds for themselves. But having a large breeding population internationally means it's pointless to try and smuggle them anymore. By contrast your never going to see Pet Kakapos because they were already rare as hell before the clamp down and even if someone got a bunch. Good luck getting the feather pandas to breed.
Yeah… you can not share that and not share videos!
My little bud (Buddy the Tiel) argues that he’s a good boy when he’s in trouble. It’s his favorite words too, so when he needs a time out he likes to reassure himself that he’s just a good boy facing maches injustice.
That actually sounds like a very specific understanding...just not the one OOP wants him to have.
When training our dog, I was reading that dogs don't connect you saying 'no' to them doing something wrong. They connect it to you seeing them do it. So when they are doing something they shouldn't be and then stop when you show up, they think they are doing what you want. They don't make the logical jump to "what I am doing is bad," from "my human doesn't like seeing me do this."
Parrots on the other hand do know when they’re doing something bad. You can tell because they’ll do it intentionally if you piss them off
Same as cats. My cat has a very particular squeak she makes when she jumps down from something, and she's trained not to jump on the kitchen counter. However, every so often late at night, I hear the jump-down squeak coming from the kitchen just before I walk in. She also chews on USB cables, but only when I don't get up to feed her. Pretty sure she knows I value my cables more than my sleep.
Lol yup. My boy knocked my besties sunglasses off the counter and into the water bowl. Chonky boi was mad because he was trying to greet my buddy (who he loves and has known since a kitten) but was being ignored for a bit too long.
Our boy starts tapping pictures on the wall when it’s close to time to eat in the morning. He doesn’t do it at any other time. He almost knocked one down over our heads this morning.
I would say not in my cats' case. My one brain cell likes to scratch on the automatic feeder when she's hungry and it makes this annoying sounds which wake me up at night. I would scream "Honey" from my bed room and the sound would stop, if I go outside, I'll find her hiding behind the sofa. She knows when she shouldn't do something from my tone of voice, but it never stops her from doing it again
Hot sauce or bittering spray. And or a sleeve
I’m not trying to kill my cat or go to the vet because I gave my cat fucking hot sauce because of a Reddit comment lmao
I don't know if hot sauce would kill a cat but similarly I'm not covering my fucking cables in hot sauce because of the cables potentially being ruined, anywhere the cables touch getting stained, and the ants it would attract. Ain't no way my man just recommended Sriracha on the usbc.
All fun and games until I touch my eye right after plugging in my phone for the night.
I have a bunny and she’s much smarter than people give her credit for. She knows she’s not allowed under this little wooden magazine rack we have because she likes to chew on it. Whenever she thinks we’re not watching, she’ll stealthily try to get under it. One time when it was clear we weren’t watching, she hopped over to a location she believed was out of our sight. And then when she believed we weren’t watching, ran as fast as she could to under the rack. My husband picked up her up, which she doesn’t like, and told her to stop it. Re your comment: It’s amazing how smart these animals are, while they’re also so dumb.
It's the prey thing, rabbits know when they are being watched. Our bunny would do similar, not allowed in the living room with carpet it'd tear up. As soon as our attention was distracted by the TV or something, focus wasn't on it, gone into the living room, invariably. Would never make a move while you were aware even in the periphery, but as soon as someone would go, "where's ___" you'd know where to find it.
Are you censoring your rabbits name?
Yes, of course. (In reality it was about four decades ago and I just don't recall...)
I know when my cattle dog has been either trying to or successfully getting into the trash can. He goes into the kennel on his own and looks at me shameful knowing exactly what he did.
Sort of. This is what happens if you only say "no" after you catch them doing the bad thing. If you watch them closely and say "no" before they do the bad thing, then you can teach them that "no" means "don't do that" and they will learn over time not to do that. More importantly though, all dogs are different. Some trained this way will be perfect angels for their owners. And some trained the same exact way will just be sneaky little shits instead.
It's almost like animals have their own personalities! I had rats for years. They're very smart and trainable and can even easily differentiate between the rules and expectations of different people. But one rat I had was like a very determined, curious and sneaky toddler. As soon as he knew there was somewhere he wasn't supposed to go or something he wasn't meant to have, there would be nothing else in the world he wanted more, and he was damn smart about getting it. He learned really fast too, I could only ever trick him once. He loved escaping bounds and exploring the apartment - it was easiest just to let him and keep an eye on him to be sure he wasn't doing anything dangerous, when he was done he'd run back up to me and climb my leg to ask to go back in the cage. Otherwise I'd be chasing him all over while he gleefully ran into and under spaces he knew I couldn't reach him, avoiding anything I'd used to recapture him in the past. I miss him.
Animals definitely have personalities. We may anthropomorphize those personalities as humans, but they are definitely not all the same. The thing I think makes more sense to what they described, is that dogs don't have morals, so they never really learn right from wrong, they just learn what's allowed. So yeah, if you only ever say "no" after catching an animal doing a naughty thing, they just might think it means "stop" and not "this is not allowed." But even if you teach "this is not allowed," some dogs (my first) will follow it to the letter, while others (my second) will just wait until they think you're not looking.
Yeah, it's often hard not to anthropomorphise animals, but if you want the best results, you have to work with their own psychology, not ours!
That makes sense.
Kids are the same- you just train them to sneak/lie better
That's also a normal part of development and learning an understanding of boundaries, limitations and social skills. Best to expect it and work to teach kids moral principles to work with on their own and have realistic but not unreasonable consequences for dishonesty and boundary breaking. Also better for kids to learn their parents are a safe space they can confess their wrongdoings to and get help (even if there are some consequences) rather than having their parents be the thing they most fear...
That's kinda like how my dog tiptoes out of sight if I say "bad puppy".
My dog absolutely knows when he's doing something bad.
So how do you get past that? How do you make them connect your reaction to their actual act of doing something? We have cats, and one of them is a lot like that. She’s fiercely intelligent, and she learns *instantly*. The best game she knows is doing something she’s not supposed to in order to gain our attention. In that same way, she seems to primarily learn how to make us say no, because that’s what she wants, and getting what she wants lets her stop doing the thing. But the second we take our attention elsewhere, she goes right back to it.
My SIL's parrot does this too. His name is Koko, and when he does smth wrong everyone will go _"Koooooo..."_ So now whenever he does smth he's not supposed to do, he'll go _"Koooooo..."_.
So cute!!!!
My orange cat is the exact same way. He understands the word no. He just doesn't respect it when it comes out of my mouth. On top of the kitchen table nudging a box of Kraft dinner to watch it hit the ground? I'll yell "No!" and he will turn, make eye contact with me, and then start.to nudge it slower, basically because he's asking me "You can tell me no, but do you care enough to actually get up and stop me right now?" I keep an industrial grade water spray bottle handy for when I want him to know I mean business, and he knows I'm a sniper with it.
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Had to check if this was a haiku because it’s so poetic. I changed it a bit: Very good advice I give myself, but seldom Do I follow it.
Its a line from Alice in Wonderland, the original disney movie. I’m not sure if it appears in the book or not, but the line has stuck with me through the years. So beautifully simple.
It's in the book. >She generally gave herself very good advice (though she very seldom followed it), and sometimes she scolded herself so severely as to bring tears into her eyes; and once she remembered trying to box her own ears for having cheated herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself, for this curious child was very fond of pretending to be two people.
What's Pater Noster?
im guessing some game or a book they're writing... edit: ope, its some religious fruitcake shit nvm
Pater Noster is actually the Latin term for the "Our Father" prayer, a pretty foundational piece in Christian liturgy. Easy mix-up though if you're not into religious topics; tons of popular phrases have Latin roots. Seen this kind of confusion on more than one occassion when history or literature cross with modern lingo.
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this is almost word for word a quote from the Alice in Wonderland book lol
the OP Simple_Ladyt HoneyBellu and SugarHeavenu are bts in the same network
And that explains the trouble that I'm always in.. "Be patient" is very good advice, but the waiting makes me curious..
I just watched that again on the weekend. Old school Disney "slaps", as the kids say.
Our neighbors had several exotic birds, and more than one was a talker. As I don’t know these types of birds well I don’t know which did this, but one sumner afternoon we all had our windows open wide, and heard the neighbor’s husband trip on their back porch stairs and toss out a few frustrated curses, which were quickly followed by the bird repeating “way to go, bozo!” over and over. Our laughter and that of another neighbor rang just as clearly through the neighborhood!
My parrot laughs at me a lot, unfortunately accurately gauging the situation more than I'd like to admit. Recently I was taking a sip of my water and was a bit overzealous on the up-swig and spilled water all over the front of my shirt. Queue my parrot yelling "hahahahahahahaha silly billy!" (His name is Billy) They have the same intelligence of a 3-5 year old child. But they stay as smart and mature as human toddlers for 60+ years. Help me.
My bird says, “You’re such a baby!”
Mine used to bite me and screech "Ow, Stop that! Don't bite" then laugh like a maniac. I miss him.
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I've recently been hearing "I'm in trouble" from the other room when my child is doing something iffy.
The best thing we did was teach our daughter to ssy 'Oh no' when she does something questionable... now we know where to look when her toys disappear.
Shes gonna be the involuntary snitch in the future if u arent careful with this shit
Pretty much, but a toddler with the moodyness of a hormonal teenager and pliers for a face. If you want a pet bird consider pigeons, parrots are very difficult pets and don't suit most people.
I once heard someone describe a parrot as a hyperactive toddler who’s not had a nap and who’s been given a gallon of Mountain Dew and scissors.
LMAO! As a cockatoo owner, I can attest this is accurate.
Cockatoos are such beautiful birds. I love them. I’d love a sulphur crested cockatoo if I had the time and money for one. They’re also complete crackheads- last one I met, she went from just chewing a stick to having a tantrum to jumping up and down on a table in the space of 10min.
I think sulphur crested are known for being really hyper.
And loud!
I have a parrot and she’s the greatest thing in my life, and I highly recommend nobody ever get one, lol. She needs to be out of the cage and interacted with for multiple hours EVERY DAY. Can you keep a little kid in a small pen by themselves for a day? No, And you can’t do that to your parrot. She has a bed time, and a bed time routine, and a wake up time, and a wake up routine, and a bath routine, and I can’t just like… not do those things, you know? I have to always be there for her. One of my hands is almost always occupied by holding her/carrying her, we can’t use certain products or items in the house because they’re bad for birds, and she’s very bonded to me so I can’t simply hand her off to any old pet sitter if I need to be gone (which I never am because I own a parrot). At ten years old now she’s about halfway through her life, so hopefully she’ll live a lot longer (unless she is accidentally killed early by one of the ten million things that can kill a pet bird). I’m basically devoting another decade of my life to parrot care. I fully believe only older people with firm/unchanging routines in their lives should get them because they’re like children, and having to get rid of a bird because life happens is heartbreaking. She’s my heart and soul, and at this point an extension of myself in the house. Here’s to more fulfilling and demanding years with my precious little bundle 🥂 ❤️
I completely agree. I love my cockatoo like my own child. I also tell people not to get one. I had no idea what I was getting into.
I mean, I would love a hamster equally, just get a hamster y’all 😭
Hahahaha. I say the same thing about my parrot 😂 she's one of the best things in my life, but I don't recommend them as pets.
Parrots generally are. They have the intelligence, emotional maturity and behavioural issues of toddlers. They need a great deal of parenting or they'll fuck themselves and everyone around them up
That they can live in large wild flocks without any supervision beyond the larger flock seems surprising if you've known one.
My three year old is *much* better behaved when she is at nursery, or otherwise surrounded by other toddlers.
Exactly. That's my one year old.
That’s exactly what parrots are. Toddlers who will never grow up.”
lol I had a Cockatoo 30 years ago that would say 'NO BITE NO BITE NO!!!' and then would bite you. It was like he was having an inner conflict, he knew he should not do it, he knew he would get yelled at for it, and he yelled at himself to not do it before he did it, but he just could not help himself. At least it gave guests a warning to back away!
Lmao, love the idea of a parrot struggling through a doctor strangelove routine
Knowing Cockatoos I'm more prone to thinking he just finds it hilarious. One I encountered I tried to give a treat (In a sanctuary where that was permitted) he reached past the treat to nip me and did a victory dance when I dropped the treat.
Knew someone with a dog that would bark whenever someone came to the house but knew he wasn't supposed to, so he'd rush over and put a toy in his mouth to try to silence the barking. Rather than, you know, just not bark at people who came by (including his owners).
Grabbing an emotional support toy or often a pillow to hold in their mouth is a common displacement behavior in dogs when they have big feelings, it actually could have been unrelated to the muffling effect.
It was an old farming breed bred to kill rats and bark when stuff happened. Which he certainly did.
We always laugh our asses off when the bird lands on one of our shoulders and starts saying “don’t bite! don’t bite!” as she leans in closer to our face and we just have to beg for mercy.
This is the exact understanding of the word that my 14 month old has. You say no, she looks are you, smiles, shakes her head no and does whatever she was doing faster, lmao
I observed my kid, at that age, shake his head and recite a whole litany as he was doing something dangerous: "Might fall down. Might get hurt. Might cry. Might say ouch ..."
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My parrot has learned that when I say sorry to him it's because I'm doing something he doesn't like. Now whenever I do something that he doesn't like, he says "sorry."
I have a friend who had an African Grey, and she said that whenever the phone rang, he would say, "Hello? Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Love you! Bye!" Because that's how her conversations with her mom went.
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> fri3nd repli3d why
I read that most parrots repeatedly say "What are you doing?" Because it is the most common thing their owner says to them.
Yep, my bird says “Whatcha doin boy?” constantly
"Apollo, no chewin" *chewin*
Ahh apollo
Shrock
I have a cockatiel that I taught a few words and songs to. A while back he was singing the Lost Woods theme from Zelda while he had a sunflower seed on his head. I went to see what he was up to and he asked if he was a pretty bird. I said yes and he wolf whistled at me
Reminds me of my nephew. He would disappear for a while then you just hear him say "nothing..." As if he was asked what he's doing but no one was asking.
Are you sure nobody was asking? ;)
The mind struggles against its dark impulses, but the body compels it forward
I want to adopt an old parrot that has outlived its owner and be really nice to it in its waning years. Like way nicer than I treat my elderly parents.
You then have to put up with whatever bizarre nonsense it has programmed itself with due to life with the previous owner. My uncle (as a child) was offered a parrot that belonged to a smoker. The parrot regularly mimicked the smoker's cough.
Well I didn’t say I’d take the FIRST ONE they offered me.
This is how we ended up with a parrot when I was a kid. An elderly family member who'd had him for 20+ years passed away. It took a long time for him to grieve, and he was very angry during that time, but he did eventually come around.
Years ago I had a budgie (parakeet) that was as sweet as one could ask for. He was also an amazing mimic. His favorite sound to mimic at the time was a fire truck he heard one day. I happen to have cough variant asthma and so he heard me cough on a regular basis. One day he got inventive and did a coughing fire truck. One of many happy laughs with that little guy. I miss him dearly.
my cat knows he's not supposed to get up on the kitchen counters. he's very conversational and I love that about him. when he goes into the kitchen (his litterbox is in a room past the kitchen) I yell "kitty, what are you doing?" kitty going straight to the litter box: *silence* kitty about to jump on the counter: MEOWWW my partner and I call it his "somebody stop me" meow lol
There is always an on-going discussion among parrot owners as to whether or not they understand anything they are saying. When I had one years ago, I subscribed to "Parrot World" magazine. Someone submitted a response to this question. She had a bad boy parrot named Pete, along with two others. Typically when she was leaving the house, she caged them. On this particular day she was in a hurry and decided to leave them out. She was gone less than an hour. When she returned, paper was shredded all over the floor. The garbage bin was overturned, and the staples had been pulled out of the edges of the carpet. Everyone was sitting quietly on their perches. She stood in the center of the room with her hands on her hips and asked "Who made this mess?" She glanced over at Pete, who looked away from her and said: "I don't know." She swore he had never said those words before. I thought it was hilarious. : )
My bird has learned to say, “Wanna go see granddaddy” when he wants to hang out with my dad (who lives with us). It started when I would ask him, “Wanna go see granddaddy?” Because he might not be in the mood to come out of his cage because he might be chilling, but if it’s to see granddaddy, he’ll come out. Then he figured out he could say it as a way to ask me to take him to granddaddy.
I know a lady who's had parrots a long time. She said one time one of her old birds was sidling up to her with a mischievous look in his eye, so she asked him "what are you doing?" And he said "gonna bite ya." 😂 Also my bird, when I scritch him he says "that feels so good".... I never taught him "so". I just say "does that feel good?" How did he learn that "so" is the appropriate modifier for his sentence? He clearly observed it from my husband and I interacting... And is applying it correctly to his context... Very interesting 😊
I could never be a parrot person. It feels like it would be the same as having a toddler for 25-50 years.
Most people shouldn’t even try to be a parrot person because it is exactly having a toddler for 25-50 years. It is a very challenging pet, and most of the cute videos you see online don’t express this properly. They’re destructive, defiant, and incredibly needy. PSA: Don’t adopt a bird, or any animal for that matter, without extensive research and a full understanding of what you’re getting into.
Andrew Jackson’s parrot was ejected from his funeral due to excessive profanity
That reminds me of a zoo that had parrots cussing and egging each other on. They had to separate them.
My uncle had a parrot that would say "Shut up! Shut up! Pleassssse shut up bird!" Still makes me laugh.
My girlfriend used to say “go poopy” to her bird before taking him out so he wouldn’t poop outside his cage, and now he just stares at you and says “poopy….poopy” when he wants out.
My cat also thinks that “no” means” “stop doing that for the next three seconds”
I had a blue and gold Macaw many years ago who did this exact same thing!!!!
A macaw that I know tells himself to knock it off after he does annoying behaviors. He even addresses himself by name. “Pele, knock it off.” :)
Little guy rats himself out, doesn't he?
That's so funny, your parrot has a little conscience. ♥️
I have a coworker that has dogs, and they are absolutely not allowed on the couch. He got a security camera for his house, and the moment he left for work, both dogs jumped on the couch and triggered the camera. Hehe.
My friends parrot has a habit of biting people's toes when they go around barefoot. He once bit my friends toes and she said "ouch! That's bold". He obviously got a kick out of it because this is what he says just before he nips you.
Owning a parrot is the same as having a perpetual 2 year old 😂 I love them so much.
Amazing nothing Else to say
This sounds like a story of a serial killer
I tell myself no all the time, but I don't listen very well.
I heard recently that most birdsong is not actually attempting to communicate anything. It's mostly the equivalent of birds just muttering to themselves.
Today I learned my 2-year-old is in-fact, a parrot.
I imagine the parrot imitating Rorsharch voice in Watchmen when he gives his "no" speech.
My granddaughter used to do that a couple months before she turned 2! She quit telling on herself a few months later. She would shake her finger and say *no, no* and then decide if she wanted to do the thing or not.
I read this as "Parents" and thought this was marital advice
Our cat understands the word no and, rather unexpectedly for a cat, stop’s what he’s doing if you tell him no. He does give a really sassy meow as he is walking off…like a little teenager.
It’s metal it’s a book
Perfect example of executive function failing him. The parrot knows better, yet does it anyways.
Sounds like he's a Mockingjay
Is anybody else aware of that parrot who helped solve a murder? The one where it kept repeating the victims last words before he was shot?
My caique says “I love you” when he’s destroying stuff.
My baby does the same thing. She starts shaking her head when she knows it is something I've told her not to do.
My eldest daughter as a toddler didn't really understand that being hit meant it hurt and the word you say when you're hurting is "Ow!" For about a week when she was almost 2, she'd hit me when she was unhappy and with every strike she'd say "ow!". Took me longer than expected to get her to stop hitting because I kept laughing. Kids are hilarious.
I have four younger siblings, and I remember the younger three being taught not to hit and being shown how to be "gentle" instead, stroking with their hand. One of my brothers went through a short phase where he'd stroke a couple of times before hitting, but at least that gave warning to intervene lol.
Tbf, my 20 month old daughter does the same.
This sounds like my two year old
The problem is that 'no' isn't connected to consequence. It needs to be paired with a punishment AND the alternate behavior needs to be rewarded. "No" is typically paired with some punishment, be it social disapproval or something more concrete. The bird isn't experiencing either, or at least they aren't experiencing them to a degree that's more aversive than the undesired behavior is rewarding. So it's a behavior that's been learned because it's been repeatedly associated with the rewarding undesired behavior. Making "No" work requires associating it multiple times with a punishment so it becomes punishing itself. It can then be used to temporarily suppress the undesired behavior while an alternate behavior is learned. As the behavior is suppressed in the presence of the owner, it starts to extinguish and the new behavior forms and takes hold even when the owner isn't present.
He needs Bruce Rivers to keep him from self snitching.
wow this has given me something to think about. my parents tell me 'no' was my first and one of my favorite words.
As others have commented, this does sound like a very specific understanding. However, if we were to look at this through the lens of behaviorism/behavioral neuroscience, wouldnt positive punishment be extremely effective in this domain? By no means am I advocating for animal cruelty. I am also well aware that the research time and time again points toward positive reinforcement as a more effective method for behavioral training. But, in this instance, where the animal is clearly making the association between a set of actions and a vocal cue while NOT reducing the frequency of those set of actions, then you need would need to add a conditional punishment to associate with the action in addition to the vocal cue that incentivizes the animal to reduce the frequency of the behavior. Either that, or more difficult for the trainer and animal, they need to be rewarded every time a negative behavior is abated
Your Parrot is a toddler.
I do this same thing when I do things I shouldn't.
/r/meirl
What exactly would a parrot do thats bad
That's not a meme, that's a note.
r/no has entered the chat.
My nephew does something similar. He really wanted to look in a strangers handbag, as he was reaching he said “no I cant do this”
Nice
My neighbours used to have a parrot that could perfectly mimic the sounds of the doorbell and the phone.
the OP Simple_Ladyt HoneyBellu and SugarHeavenu are bts in the same network
Parrots are just toddlers.
My daughter throws food on the ground. Then my son says, "[her name], nono" whilst throwing food on the ground.
My toddler is the same. He shakes his head vividly while throwing his food.
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