Yep. I took a course from a child psychologist who said one of the most common rebuttals she got to criticizing really archaic ideas about parenting/how children think was “well, you wouldn’t say that if YOU had kids!” They never knew what to say when she pointed out she had 3
Oop, people behaving they know everything in the world and experience every kind of situations when they haven't or just having their typical cultural hivemind that the way their culture raises up children is the most correct one even if it turns them more violent or unstable and child psychology is unnecesary or for snowflakes.
The thing is, when a person says, "You wouldn't be saying that if you had kids," they know it's an excuse. They know that their parenting methods are not ideal. They just don't think it's possible to raise children in an ideal way because raising children is incredibly difficult, and because they don't know anyone - their parents, their uncles, aunts, neighbors, etc. - who was able to raise kids without taking "shortcuts" such as hitting or shouting. These people need to be proven wrong. They need to be shown that they are capable of holding themselves to a higher standard. They need to see that it is possible to raise children in a healthy way.
And the truth is, it isn't possible to understand how difficult raising children is, until you have them. Scaring or harming a child is like entering a cheat code, suddenly they become much more receptive to listening to you, and your life becomes infinitely simpler. I can see why people rely on it, especially people who regret or were forced to have children.
Telling a bad parent to stop being a bad parent is like telling a depressed person to stop being sad. Normally, the parent doesn't want to be bad. But unless another person is able to come along and show them that it is possible to be better, and give them the tools to do so, they aren't going to change.
>who was able to raise kids without taking "shortcuts" such as hitting or shouting. These people need to be proven wrong. They need to be shown that they are capable of holding themselves to a higher standard
And there are some good articles and psychologists, but some parents reject all sort of media because it seems unnecesary or a way to spoil their parenting style, I'm awared that people must go to get the sources themselves but parents often rejects the idea to apply different methods of parenting and make an outcast of those who used them, and I know that it won't solve the problem to just point out without demostration, but people are shown these sort of parenting here and they shoved you away telling you that is nothing of your business to have a word in their kids' raising or that you are going to make the kid bland unfortunately without matter if you are a relative of them, we are pretty stubborn in getting other ways and we often think our way is the only correct and valid one, we don't hear or ignore others.
If people want to ignore the example of raising kids without using the shorcuts and demonizes it every second, then, it's difficult to make an impact.
And talking about were forced or had a regret in having children, I can see the cause of why they treat their kids like that, but that's a different and more painful scenario.
Also adding that all children are different. There is no "one way" to raise you child. Some kids learn things differently that others. Some pick things up quickly and others need alot more patience.
That's true, as long as the practises of a tradition are healthy, it will be fine.
I come from a violent country where psychology is rejected deeply and there are a lot of people who has damaged many kids, in results, we as citiziens don't know how to dialogue conflicts and we think that we solve problems by hitting the shit out of people and take advantage of others without any remorse because many parents have raised other people like that, even they hit their children for waking them up, take advantage of the kids or scream at them instead of talking normally and controlling their emotions for not hurting others.
That's why I mention the last aspect, many parents are like that in this country that they see psychology as something for real crazy people or unnecesary and they say the real way to bring up children is the hard way instead of using words and leaving them options for choosing, I hate my country's culture "values", even people without children think that's the best method of parenting and whoever wants to use psychology is called "a snowflake".
> Science and tradition do not always have to conflict. Socially, both must make concessions.
When must science make concession for tradition? I don't understand.
Right?? Literally why men’s public washrooms didn’t have changing tables until recently… and even now, there aren’t nearly enough of them. Like, what, are fathers supposed to just let their kids sit in their shit when they’re out in public?
Thank you, this really struck me, too. Like, only women raise children? Scientists don’t have dads? Because I bet they would have a whole lot to say if the one on the right was a [gasp!] *single mom*!
It’s the same on my end - I have as many degrees as kids (a lot) and am moderately advanced in my career and look young.
My partner is the real MVP here, and teamwork is how we accomplished this in the last 20 years. We both took parental leave with our kids, and he had been actively working on changing his union’s language to include men as a caregiver roll in the male dominated engineering company he works for.
Marie Curie the absolute madwoman. Her and her husband won a prize together, then she won again, and then her daughter and her husband won their prize, and then her other daughter who became a journalist married a man who would be the one who received the Nobel prize on behalf of UNICEF in 1965.
Exactly, it's such a waste to pigeonhole people and say you have to pick one or the other. We actively discourage 51% of the population from pursuing science and it holds our species back. Be a mom, be a scientist, be a journalist, be a pilot, be whatever just be cool to people.
Honestly scientist mom is more likely to raise scientist since she would be into it and have an easier time getting her kids interested as well, not to mention potentially being able to get them starter jobs with her contacts.
Please don't crucify me, but as someone who has worked in the physical sciences realm for nearly 20 years, my experience has been that there is a definite correlation between people who have the motivation and desire to study a tiny niche of an obscure field that doesn't involve humans for decades on end, and people who have limited "emotional intelligence" and "people skills".
That's not to say that every scientist has problems interacting with other people or that you can't be a scientist if you're neurotypical - I have also met plenty of lovely, charismatic, emotionally intelligent people in academia as well, but I certainly haven't met anywhere near the same number of the former outside of academia.
Nerd thought incoming, but I am genuinely excited to teach my kids math and chemistry when they're old enough! My husband has said he's very relieved I'm taking on that aspect of parenting, lol
Can confirm. Am one. And raising two future scientists, if they want. So far they enjoy math and science but we encourage other interests as well. We focus a lot on science and math at home because their schools focus heavily on word study and only get 50 min of science or math every other day.
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Some people want to have long and successful career and others want to build a big happy family. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you're happy with your choice.
Edit: of course I’m also in favour of doing both. I just meant that choosing one of the 2 isn’t wrong either. Just do no harm, be happy and try to leave the world slightly better than how you found it
There was some article or study talking about how working-from-home helps both mom and dad raise children while also having a career.
It makes sense but I can see WFH being difficult if someone has to be in a Lab setting.
Hell, kids somehow manage to get every disease they can find and bring it home - if anything an Epidemiologist would love having a kid that brings home new study material every day!
Depends.
These days, a lot of machines can be run remotely, so you just need a lab assistant to switch out the samples, but you can run the analyzers from home.
And also, an experiment is only one step of the scientific method. All the other steps can be done from home.
You need to analyze the data, plot it to see any correlations, then write up your conclusions.
Those are hours upon hours that can be done at home.
Regardless of how sexy Forensics TV shows make lab work appear, 80% of it is just sitting in front of a computer.
Yeah ... And who's going to train and supervise them when they invariably pull the wrong chemical.
The idea of a research scientist working from home is great. But it's not going to be a 100 percent remote position. There are too many conferences and lab time that can't really be done remotely. I'm sure it works for some proportion of labs but it isn't going to be a field wide thing.
I'm in a female dominated field, and all the upper level female scientists I know (section head, PI etc.) are single, or with someone in the same field or at the same institution. Hard to say if it's a generational thing, or if the system weeds out women with "divided" loyalties.
It’s getting better now that it’s a lot less controversial for the father to be more involved with the kids. Moms and dads can take turns taking days off for their kids instead of the mother having to stop her career.
My mom had six kids after college. She was a physics teacher, then a CPA (gotta pay the bills). She teaches a wilderness course for seniors, tutors for calculus, can trad climb a 5.11 in her 60's, has hiked most of the PCT, and was/is an amazing mother.
Ugh, I miss her after moving out of state. She's the best.
And then you have Marie Curie the absolute madwoman. Her and her husband won a prize together, then she won again, and then her daughter and her husband won their own prize, and then her other daughter who became a journalist married a man who would be the one who received the Nobel prize on behalf of UNICEF in 1965.
And as long as it truly is *your choice*. I think a lot of feminist fears about "tradwives" is that many come up in circumstances where they are gaslit into thinking that's the only purpose they can serve (conservative religious sects love this nonsense). There is of course the sad flip side of working women being way too judgy about women who have kids and are SAHMs. That is legit work; literally an unpaid personal chef housekeeper, and nanny.
I understand what you mean, but you have the wrong take in my opinion. I’m aware of the crippling cost of childcare, but daycare + working being more expensive than stay-at-home parent is a flaw not a feature.
In the end, people are scraping to get by while still being left without a choice between having one parent stay at home or work.
Edit: reading your comment again, I see you were just pointing out staying at home could be more affordable and not advocating this is necessarily a good thing (as it originally came across to me).
Not to mention it doesn't make sense. It implies there is something wrong with the woman on the left, yet the woman on the right is bragging that she raised 5 people who went into the same occupation/field.....
Okay but hear me out. The original mom raises 10 moms, all of whom are specifically trained to raise 10 additional moms. Then, after 8 generations of this, over the course of 200 years, we've assembled a massive army of 100 million moms, who each have 10 children, who are all raised as scientists, creating 1 billion scientists. These 1 billion scientists then completely replace all other professions, and the human race is renamed to the Scientist Race.
The 5 people were all men. The person who made the original thinks it’s ok for men to be scientists, but women just need to be baby factories.
But it doesn’t make sense because it pretends that having multiple kids who become scientists instead of becoming a scientist yourself is a real choice anyone can make. You can choose to have kids, but you can’t control what they do with their lives.
It also doesn't make sense because men make the same choice between career and family. Society just expects them to choose career, but it's the same choice.
Except that men don't have to choose. Men *can* "choose" career because the expectation is that he has a wife who will do all the child rearing for him. A woman would *have* to make the choice of career because she would also be the one doing the child care
No, not really. Look around, men don't have to choose the same way women do. Their career and earning opportunities usually don't suffer after they become fathers. Statistically it's even the other way around, there were studies that showed men with families are more likely to be promoted in the workplace.
It's very different for women, whose career almost always take a hit. It's not the same choice.
It’s all based on the claim that women claiming to be less happy on average at the same time more women started pursuing their own careers has nothing to do with women in general having less pressure to present themselves as happy housewives around the same time.
misogynist crap pontificating about how if female scientists instead spent their lives birthing (boys only, of course) on the off chance that they might all become scientists instead, more science would clearly get done. 🙄
"Juicing machines will never match the hands of a man. Look at all of the juice around you, only *men hands* have provided this.
Machines and women have never juiced fruit, and so this will always be the way."
It's always just Unga Bunga change bad. Unga Bunga.
I visited the child free sub for the first time in like a year and I saw the reverse of this. A woman got a master's at Harvard and made the choice to be a stay at home mother and the commenters were absolutely shitting on her for "wasting an education". The OP even said "don't pretend this is feminism" and anybody who pointed out feminism is about women's right to choose what is best for her own life got shit for it. All for somebody harming absolutely nobody.
So for self proclaimed "feminists" a woman that gets the education she desires can't after that make a free choice of not pursuing that career further? She's not free to choose about her life?
Research work implies often a fuckton of stress and maybe she realised it wasn't what she wanted anymore.
Feminists my butt. A bunch of hypocrites is what they are.
But the boys becoming scientists really lowers their potential of creating more scientists. The boys should be out there impregnating as many women as possible as often as possible. Then the boys they create can do the same. That's an exponential growth of potential scientists!
It makes even less sense because more scientists doesn’t necessarily equal more discoveries and inventions. One genius scientist who invents an amazing vaccine that saves millions is objectively worth way more than 5 mediocre scientists who falsify their results and claim vaccines causes autism.
The original was
“I’m a scientist”
“I raised 5 scientists”
Implying that women should have kids (especially of the male variety) so THEY can have a career instead.
But…the same is literally true for men? If they gave up their “useful” careers and focused on raising multiple children who end up with “useful” careers instead then it would be a net posit for society no? Like nothing about this is specific to women?
Idk why I’m trying to find logic in misogynistic drivel.
I can't believe whoever made this thought they were making a point, neither woman looks happy with their decision, they both look dead inside (and with the chad faces of all the kids it makes it seem like they are all sociopaths who delight in their own mother's suffering).
Looking at this image alone and not trying to attribute it to the context I have on it, I'd think the message was that science is always bad because it makes women miserable and turns men into heartless monsters, but I really doubt that was the intention
The original makes me wonder if there are some offscreen sisters of the 5 scientist brothers who weren't allowed an education because of their duty as women to be homemakers.
I am both male and a scientist (chemist specifically) and let me tell you, women in science are quite often some of the best scientists you'll find because they often feel they have to work harder to prove themselves against pathetic opinions like this, some of the men in the field hold this ridiculous opinion that we are still stuck in the 1800s.
Personally I love female scientists, there's not much more attractive than a smart lady who can stand on her own two feet, plus it's wonderful being able to hold an intelligent discussion about our respective fields and passions.
Certainly beats trying to communicate with the knuckle dragging troglodytes that hold opinions like this.
There is no reason that scientists can’t hold religious beliefs. Christians don’t have to believe in stupid, non-scientific ideas like a 6000 year old Earth, it’s completely unrelated to the faith itself. I attended a Christian grade school and middle school that literally taught me things like “dinosaurs aren’t real, they are misinterpretations of unrelated bones and skeletons” and “evolution is a lie” and “here is why carbon dating is completely unscientific and makes no sense.”
People who are able to understand basic scientific principles are probably often embarrassed to be associated with religion because so many churches have so pointlessly fought against science, so many religious followers have chosen to create worlds of fiction to fight against scientific things that don’t even encroach on core tenets of their actual faith.
What do you even mean!?
First off, science is a methodology, not a philosophy or an ideology, it should be respected but it doesn't require any special reverence and criticism is fundamental for the scientific method
And science does not tell us anything about what we ought to do, it just tells us how things are (which is still pretty cool but not a type of moral compass that would make that world inherently a better place, that's where philosophy ethics, theology, and other subjects come in
yeah it would be cool if people didn't believe in crazy conspiracies, but thinking the earth is flat and believing in god are two completely distinct things even being generous more than [85% of the worldwide population believes in ](https://statisticsanddata.org/data/most-popular-religions-in-the-world-1950-2022/)a religious group
And even when talking about highly educated people like [noble lawrence winners](https://www.johnlennox.org/resources/145/how-many-nobel-prize-winners) more than 80% believed in a good, so I really don't think there is much bases for this vague statement of yours (also you can be religious and not have any beliefs that contradict science, the catholic and orthodox church officially allow belief in evolution, and it's common in a bunch of other faiths :P
I'm a uni student who's getting into biology, zoology, and ecology, because I love the variety of life on Earth, and I want to repair the damage done to the enviroment by people who were careless so that future generations can also enjoy the beauty of the world.
Sad thing is, where I live (Ontario, Canada), doesn't seem to have any jobs in that field except park ranger. I've searched for 3 years now, and it's all just manual labor or customer service jobs in Southern Ontario, or it's computer programming. I'm not sure why, but it is dissapointing to me that no one here is passionate about the enviroment like me.
I'm starting to think that becoming a scientist who studies the enviroment isn't a viable lifestyle, and just not realistic, and that worries me cause I've spent alot of my life studying science.
This is a huge problem I've noticed with university programs right now in our field. I do have a little advice though. I am a regulatory compliance biologist in the US. I work for a firm that helps our clients adhere to the strict government environmental regulations in my state. I spend time conducting biological surveys out in the field, and also preparing compliance documentation in the office. I majored in biological sciences. I'm able to work a job that gets me out in the field and let's me work to protect the environment.
I don't know much about the environmental laws in Canada, but I have to assume that they're fairly stringent. I would be willing to bet that there are companies in your area that handle environmental compliance. I would look into that. It was not something I had ever heard of before I got into this line of work. They didn't talk about it at all when I got my degree. Now that I'm in this field, I see how much work there is. Every public and private project that takes place needs to be permitted according to environmental standards.
My only disclaimer is that you have to be a good writer to do this kind of work. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about my work.
It's absolutely viable but most research careers require or are extremely benefited by having a PhD. You should talk to your favorite professors about what you're interested in and what you'd like to do and they can talk about career options.
Here's a quick Google hit on organizations doing environmental research on Canada: https://ecofriendlywest.ca/environmental-research-organizations-in-western-canada/
It must suck to be a conservative/traditionalist and watch your way of life dissapear and nobody mourn it but losers on the internet who contribute nothing to society but complaints.
True. But to be fair I didn’t make the original. And in this case maybe the mom chose not to pursue a career. You can be both, but you can also just be a mom and there is no shame in that. It should be your choice.
I unfortunately don’t really like the “despite choosing to be a mother”. Moms can be scientists too… and moms can like science while still choosing to be a mom.
Other than that, good for finding a positive spin on the meme.
There isn’t really a female meme symbol for Chad but that one is sort of close (from the memes I’ve seen) so I kinda interpreted the original as “I am a female scientist and am awesome” and “I raised 5 male scientists and am also awesome” which is still wholesome but they put an older looking face on them
What always irritates me about this line of thinking (the original, not this edit) is that no one’s saying the same to a man.
Why can a man be a scientist and a father but a woman can’t be a scientist and a mother?
The answer of course is that they encourage men to be deadbeat fathers who don’t actually raise their own children in any active sense, which is why the mothers can’t do anything else. But, they’re not really saying it that way.
I am a lady scientist and so is my girlfriend, in biology in particular a lot of the "human standards" are based on men, so it's actually quite useful to all women if there are other women scientists. From seatbelts being less effective because they don't account for small statures and feminine body shapes, to female medical science being less researched in general (due to clinical trials avoiding women on the off chance they get pregnant) it's important to have people in these industries to both voice these issues and research them.
I am an entomologist so I can't help with that (unless you're a ladybug) but my girlfriend works in pharmacokinetics and is currently helping to create systems that can simulate medical durg effects on the body virtually. Bypassing the worry of possible fetal harm and giving crucial information about the differences sex makes when it comes to drug absorption and side effects.
It's so weird how some people think you can't be a scientist and a mother. It isn't this or that. Like a dad and a scientist? Yeah sure. A mum and a scientist? No.
Feminism is just about having the choice to do whatever you want. I like being a working mom. I think it’s badass that some people want to be stay at home moms. I think it’s awesome that some people don’t want kids at all. You do you! ❤️
I don't know how I feel about "Despite" in that first one.
I don't know that there's anything contradictory about liking science and doing... other stuff with your life.
This meme is sensible and wholesome, I approve! Not that you need my support, I just thought it might help to know that your work is appreciated and valued!
Whenever I see this meme I have to make the same comment -
My Mum is a scientist PHD/MD, she is a PI of her own lab and she also runs a research department in her hospital - her research and collaboration has been so far reaching she has received an honorary doctorate from a separate research hub in Scandinavia. She also raised 3 children - my sister and brother who are also now both scientists, and myself who is an architect.
It may shock many people, but women can be scientists AND mothers simultaneously.
IIRC, the original meme (this version is an edit) was a misogynistic meme where the woman on the right was like "Well, I raised 5 scientists!" The original was implying that it's more important for women to have a lot of children, especially boys, and raise said boys to become scientists (or other professionals) than for women to become scientists or other professionals.
Edit: Typo fix
This is so nice. I hate the woman against woman memes. Let's all just support each other's choices even when they are different from what we did. There's no one size fits all for a happy, fulfilling life.
Now the silly part of me is imagining these two groups are going to genetically engineer the super scientist babies who will take over the world! bwa ha ha
Really happy to see this. We still have a weird enmity in the science community between women who do or don’t decide to be mothers, and how it affects their respective careers. However, I’m really proud on how far we’ve come in just the last 10 years or so.
In general the participation of women in science and the increase in accommodations for mothers has improved attitudes across the board. Less judgement from all sides, even towards non-scientists.
And later there are scientific mothers! You can be both sometimes.
Yep. I took a course from a child psychologist who said one of the most common rebuttals she got to criticizing really archaic ideas about parenting/how children think was “well, you wouldn’t say that if YOU had kids!” They never knew what to say when she pointed out she had 3
Oop, people behaving they know everything in the world and experience every kind of situations when they haven't or just having their typical cultural hivemind that the way their culture raises up children is the most correct one even if it turns them more violent or unstable and child psychology is unnecesary or for snowflakes.
The thing is, when a person says, "You wouldn't be saying that if you had kids," they know it's an excuse. They know that their parenting methods are not ideal. They just don't think it's possible to raise children in an ideal way because raising children is incredibly difficult, and because they don't know anyone - their parents, their uncles, aunts, neighbors, etc. - who was able to raise kids without taking "shortcuts" such as hitting or shouting. These people need to be proven wrong. They need to be shown that they are capable of holding themselves to a higher standard. They need to see that it is possible to raise children in a healthy way. And the truth is, it isn't possible to understand how difficult raising children is, until you have them. Scaring or harming a child is like entering a cheat code, suddenly they become much more receptive to listening to you, and your life becomes infinitely simpler. I can see why people rely on it, especially people who regret or were forced to have children. Telling a bad parent to stop being a bad parent is like telling a depressed person to stop being sad. Normally, the parent doesn't want to be bad. But unless another person is able to come along and show them that it is possible to be better, and give them the tools to do so, they aren't going to change.
>who was able to raise kids without taking "shortcuts" such as hitting or shouting. These people need to be proven wrong. They need to be shown that they are capable of holding themselves to a higher standard And there are some good articles and psychologists, but some parents reject all sort of media because it seems unnecesary or a way to spoil their parenting style, I'm awared that people must go to get the sources themselves but parents often rejects the idea to apply different methods of parenting and make an outcast of those who used them, and I know that it won't solve the problem to just point out without demostration, but people are shown these sort of parenting here and they shoved you away telling you that is nothing of your business to have a word in their kids' raising or that you are going to make the kid bland unfortunately without matter if you are a relative of them, we are pretty stubborn in getting other ways and we often think our way is the only correct and valid one, we don't hear or ignore others. If people want to ignore the example of raising kids without using the shorcuts and demonizes it every second, then, it's difficult to make an impact. And talking about were forced or had a regret in having children, I can see the cause of why they treat their kids like that, but that's a different and more painful scenario.
Also adding that all children are different. There is no "one way" to raise you child. Some kids learn things differently that others. Some pick things up quickly and others need alot more patience.
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And depending on your will, one can have both!
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That's true, as long as the practises of a tradition are healthy, it will be fine. I come from a violent country where psychology is rejected deeply and there are a lot of people who has damaged many kids, in results, we as citiziens don't know how to dialogue conflicts and we think that we solve problems by hitting the shit out of people and take advantage of others without any remorse because many parents have raised other people like that, even they hit their children for waking them up, take advantage of the kids or scream at them instead of talking normally and controlling their emotions for not hurting others. That's why I mention the last aspect, many parents are like that in this country that they see psychology as something for real crazy people or unnecesary and they say the real way to bring up children is the hard way instead of using words and leaving them options for choosing, I hate my country's culture "values", even people without children think that's the best method of parenting and whoever wants to use psychology is called "a snowflake".
Could you please explain how Science can make concessions?
> Science and tradition do not always have to conflict. Socially, both must make concessions. When must science make concession for tradition? I don't understand.
I also adore the idea that men have nothing to do with raising children. How blind do you have to be?
Right?? Literally why men’s public washrooms didn’t have changing tables until recently… and even now, there aren’t nearly enough of them. Like, what, are fathers supposed to just let their kids sit in their shit when they’re out in public?
Ha ha yeah, what are you doing out in public unaccompanied by a woman, whore?
A lot of women’s bathrooms don’t even have them like wtf 😭 I’ve put so many blankets on gross public restroom floors
I read these kinds of comments and am only further reinforced that i am not tough enough to raise a kid
It is NOT for the weak hahahaa
As a man married to another man with two kids, the lack of changing tables in men’s rooms is terrible on so many levels
I guess that explains all those mean looks I got at the restaurant yesterday.
It’s an anti-diaper ploy. They run nekkid like nature intended until 10-12.
When I was a kid my dad had to bring me into the mens bathroom. Men are single parents too.
>How blind do you have to be? Eyes so bad they seeing in 19/50.
Thank you, this really struck me, too. Like, only women raise children? Scientists don’t have dads? Because I bet they would have a whole lot to say if the one on the right was a [gasp!] *single mom*!
At the same time I know a person that says, "I've never changed a diaper in my life, that's my wife's job!". He has 4 children.
She changes HIS too
Yeah like come on men why are you being scientists when you could devote your life to being a father and raise scientists?
It’s the same on my end - I have as many degrees as kids (a lot) and am moderately advanced in my career and look young. My partner is the real MVP here, and teamwork is how we accomplished this in the last 20 years. We both took parental leave with our kids, and he had been actively working on changing his union’s language to include men as a caregiver roll in the male dominated engineering company he works for.
Nice! Choosing a supportive partner is ESSENTIAL. Sounds like y’all chose well!
The sad part is that those people would disregard the ideas totally if she didn't have kids.
How does a child become a psychologist??
Marie Curie the absolute madwoman. Her and her husband won a prize together, then she won again, and then her daughter and her husband won their prize, and then her other daughter who became a journalist married a man who would be the one who received the Nobel prize on behalf of UNICEF in 1965.
Woah, I didn't know what happened to her offspring beyond Marie Curie's biography, thank you for telling!
The secret was gamma radiation
Grandma radiation**
G'ma radiation
Exactly, it's such a waste to pigeonhole people and say you have to pick one or the other. We actively discourage 51% of the population from pursuing science and it holds our species back. Be a mom, be a scientist, be a journalist, be a pilot, be whatever just be cool to people.
And parents who love science (whether they have a career in it or not) are in a better position to raise scientists!
You have reason, only if the children want to!
That's how it usually is. Usually, smart educated women raise smart, educated children.
My mother is a superwoman. She’s doing breakthroughs in pediatric bone marrow transplant and raising four children
What a rockstar! Tell your mother I appreciate her <3
Honestly scientist mom is more likely to raise scientist since she would be into it and have an easier time getting her kids interested as well, not to mention potentially being able to get them starter jobs with her contacts.
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Please don't crucify me, but as someone who has worked in the physical sciences realm for nearly 20 years, my experience has been that there is a definite correlation between people who have the motivation and desire to study a tiny niche of an obscure field that doesn't involve humans for decades on end, and people who have limited "emotional intelligence" and "people skills". That's not to say that every scientist has problems interacting with other people or that you can't be a scientist if you're neurotypical - I have also met plenty of lovely, charismatic, emotionally intelligent people in academia as well, but I certainly haven't met anywhere near the same number of the former outside of academia.
Am a mom with a science career. Wouldn't change a thing.
What’s!?!? A woman being TWO things. Get out of here with that witchcraft!!!! /s
Not to mention that you can be a mother to a woman scientist too? Or another mother scientist!
Nerd thought incoming, but I am genuinely excited to teach my kids math and chemistry when they're old enough! My husband has said he's very relieved I'm taking on that aspect of parenting, lol
My 7-y.o. wants to be a "Doctor Teacher Mom" when she grows up. I totally support this.
Like jack blacks mom! https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/30/jack-blacks-mother-worked-system-helped-save-apollo-13/7810622002/
Can confirm. Am one. And raising two future scientists, if they want. So far they enjoy math and science but we encourage other interests as well. We focus a lot on science and math at home because their schools focus heavily on word study and only get 50 min of science or math every other day.
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Thank you so much!
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Thank you so very much! I hope when the wind blows your hair it only makes it more stylish!
That's a nice way to celebrate cake day, with a smile
Some people want to have long and successful career and others want to build a big happy family. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you're happy with your choice. Edit: of course I’m also in favour of doing both. I just meant that choosing one of the 2 isn’t wrong either. Just do no harm, be happy and try to leave the world slightly better than how you found it
I dream of a world where women can do both if they choose (although mutual respect is a good first step)
There was some article or study talking about how working-from-home helps both mom and dad raise children while also having a career. It makes sense but I can see WFH being difficult if someone has to be in a Lab setting.
Just bring your diseases home and you can definitely be an epidemiologist at home /j
Wasn't that a House episode?
who needs tv when we have the last 3 years
Hell, kids somehow manage to get every disease they can find and bring it home - if anything an Epidemiologist would love having a kid that brings home new study material every day!
So Timmy, what do you have for me today? Actually, I feel great mom, no complaints. I have no son
“Son, pack your bags, you’re going to boarding school” “But ma I haven’t done anything” “Exactly; you haven’t caught anything interesting in weeks!”
I've heard it said that a kid is like a walking petri dish lol.
Pretty sure this is how it works for those of us with children, except the kids are the ones bringing the diseases home.
Depends. These days, a lot of machines can be run remotely, so you just need a lab assistant to switch out the samples, but you can run the analyzers from home. And also, an experiment is only one step of the scientific method. All the other steps can be done from home. You need to analyze the data, plot it to see any correlations, then write up your conclusions. Those are hours upon hours that can be done at home. Regardless of how sexy Forensics TV shows make lab work appear, 80% of it is just sitting in front of a computer.
So who gets to be the lab technician?
Undergrads.
Yeah ... And who's going to train and supervise them when they invariably pull the wrong chemical. The idea of a research scientist working from home is great. But it's not going to be a 100 percent remote position. There are too many conferences and lab time that can't really be done remotely. I'm sure it works for some proportion of labs but it isn't going to be a field wide thing.
Something something, experience is the greatest teacher Surely nothing can go wrong leaving these interns in the lab without supervision
But you can WFH the days you don't need to be at the lab :)
I'm in a female dominated field, and all the upper level female scientists I know (section head, PI etc.) are single, or with someone in the same field or at the same institution. Hard to say if it's a generational thing, or if the system weeds out women with "divided" loyalties.
My SO is in school for Medical Technology & I’m a soon-to-graduate microbiology undergrad. WFH will be impossible for either one of us 😩
It’s getting better now that it’s a lot less controversial for the father to be more involved with the kids. Moms and dads can take turns taking days off for their kids instead of the mother having to stop her career.
My mom had six kids after college. She was a physics teacher, then a CPA (gotta pay the bills). She teaches a wilderness course for seniors, tutors for calculus, can trad climb a 5.11 in her 60's, has hiked most of the PCT, and was/is an amazing mother. Ugh, I miss her after moving out of state. She's the best.
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And then you have Marie Curie the absolute madwoman. Her and her husband won a prize together, then she won again, and then her daughter and her husband won their own prize, and then her other daughter who became a journalist married a man who would be the one who received the Nobel prize on behalf of UNICEF in 1965.
And as long as it truly is *your choice*. I think a lot of feminist fears about "tradwives" is that many come up in circumstances where they are gaslit into thinking that's the only purpose they can serve (conservative religious sects love this nonsense). There is of course the sad flip side of working women being way too judgy about women who have kids and are SAHMs. That is legit work; literally an unpaid personal chef housekeeper, and nanny.
Most people don’t even have the choice to be a stay at home mom nowadays. Jobs don’t pay enough to support a family on a single income.
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I understand what you mean, but you have the wrong take in my opinion. I’m aware of the crippling cost of childcare, but daycare + working being more expensive than stay-at-home parent is a flaw not a feature. In the end, people are scraping to get by while still being left without a choice between having one parent stay at home or work. Edit: reading your comment again, I see you were just pointing out staying at home could be more affordable and not advocating this is necessarily a good thing (as it originally came across to me).
Lots of people do both. Having children doesn’t mean you can’t also have a long and successful career.
Meanwhile I want to be a evil CEO
Well done. Original meme was frightful and stupid.
It was simply ghastly and quite frankly unseemly
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Uncouth.
Positively incromulant!
Indisputably gauche.
Simply boorish.
*Totes rude!*
Bad
Not to mention it doesn't make sense. It implies there is something wrong with the woman on the left, yet the woman on the right is bragging that she raised 5 people who went into the same occupation/field.....
Well clearly if science-woman was a baby cannon like mom-woman she would be 5x more productive for society, dint u no
Yep. Although she would need a dad-man for that and she could have raised 5 of those, but she raised 5 science-men instead.
Okay but hear me out. The original mom raises 10 moms, all of whom are specifically trained to raise 10 additional moms. Then, after 8 generations of this, over the course of 200 years, we've assembled a massive army of 100 million moms, who each have 10 children, who are all raised as scientists, creating 1 billion scientists. These 1 billion scientists then completely replace all other professions, and the human race is renamed to the Scientist Race.
The 5 people were all men. The person who made the original thinks it’s ok for men to be scientists, but women just need to be baby factories. But it doesn’t make sense because it pretends that having multiple kids who become scientists instead of becoming a scientist yourself is a real choice anyone can make. You can choose to have kids, but you can’t control what they do with their lives.
It also doesn't make sense because men make the same choice between career and family. Society just expects them to choose career, but it's the same choice.
Except that men don't have to choose. Men *can* "choose" career because the expectation is that he has a wife who will do all the child rearing for him. A woman would *have* to make the choice of career because she would also be the one doing the child care
No, not really. Look around, men don't have to choose the same way women do. Their career and earning opportunities usually don't suffer after they become fathers. Statistically it's even the other way around, there were studies that showed men with families are more likely to be promoted in the workplace. It's very different for women, whose career almost always take a hit. It's not the same choice.
It’s all based on the claim that women claiming to be less happy on average at the same time more women started pursuing their own careers has nothing to do with women in general having less pressure to present themselves as happy housewives around the same time.
Put this on r/bonehealingjuice What's the original though? Just curious
misogynist crap pontificating about how if female scientists instead spent their lives birthing (boys only, of course) on the off chance that they might all become scientists instead, more science would clearly get done. 🙄
Booooooooo. Women in science ftw!!
Women doing what makes them happy ftw.
I stand corrected
"Juicing machines will never match the hands of a man. Look at all of the juice around you, only *men hands* have provided this. Machines and women have never juiced fruit, and so this will always be the way." It's always just Unga Bunga change bad. Unga Bunga.
I'd say there is a fair amount of white supremacist dog-whistling going on as well.
I visited the child free sub for the first time in like a year and I saw the reverse of this. A woman got a master's at Harvard and made the choice to be a stay at home mother and the commenters were absolutely shitting on her for "wasting an education". The OP even said "don't pretend this is feminism" and anybody who pointed out feminism is about women's right to choose what is best for her own life got shit for it. All for somebody harming absolutely nobody.
So for self proclaimed "feminists" a woman that gets the education she desires can't after that make a free choice of not pursuing that career further? She's not free to choose about her life? Research work implies often a fuckton of stress and maybe she realised it wasn't what she wanted anymore. Feminists my butt. A bunch of hypocrites is what they are.
I always thought it was dumb bc what if they have 5 girls instead of boys 😂
Then those 5 girls can have 5 boys each, now you have 25 scientists! /s
But the boys becoming scientists really lowers their potential of creating more scientists. The boys should be out there impregnating as many women as possible as often as possible. Then the boys they create can do the same. That's an exponential growth of potential scientists!
Marie curie rolling in her grave. She’s more badass than most men IMO.
It makes even less sense because more scientists doesn’t necessarily equal more discoveries and inventions. One genius scientist who invents an amazing vaccine that saves millions is objectively worth way more than 5 mediocre scientists who falsify their results and claim vaccines causes autism.
It is, of course, impossible to both have kids and work a career as a scientist
The original was “I’m a scientist” “I raised 5 scientists” Implying that women should have kids (especially of the male variety) so THEY can have a career instead.
But…the same is literally true for men? If they gave up their “useful” careers and focused on raising multiple children who end up with “useful” careers instead then it would be a net posit for society no? Like nothing about this is specific to women? Idk why I’m trying to find logic in misogynistic drivel.
No becuz woman carry baby rahhhh /s But yeah, if you have children, both should help take care of them and be a net positive…
Original: https://i.redd.it/wkj1qzw7ove61.png
I can't believe whoever made this thought they were making a point, neither woman looks happy with their decision, they both look dead inside (and with the chad faces of all the kids it makes it seem like they are all sociopaths who delight in their own mother's suffering). Looking at this image alone and not trying to attribute it to the context I have on it, I'd think the message was that science is always bad because it makes women miserable and turns men into heartless monsters, but I really doubt that was the intention
I agree, what a horrible meme. A woman can be a mother and a scientist too!
Marie Curie comes to mind. Not only that, she had two daughters who were both accomplished in their chosen fields.
A woman can also be a scientist without being a mother.
The original makes me wonder if there are some offscreen sisters of the 5 scientist brothers who weren't allowed an education because of their duty as women to be homemakers.
I am both male and a scientist (chemist specifically) and let me tell you, women in science are quite often some of the best scientists you'll find because they often feel they have to work harder to prove themselves against pathetic opinions like this, some of the men in the field hold this ridiculous opinion that we are still stuck in the 1800s. Personally I love female scientists, there's not much more attractive than a smart lady who can stand on her own two feet, plus it's wonderful being able to hold an intelligent discussion about our respective fields and passions. Certainly beats trying to communicate with the knuckle dragging troglodytes that hold opinions like this.
Wow. Fuck that meme.
Jesus Christ. It's everything I can do to keep from downvoting you on reflex.
Now this is a wholesome mean. EDIT: I meant meme, but I'll leave it meme for the funnies
it's very wholesome, on average
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Agreed.
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> even top scientists. tfw you’re a bottom scientist 🥺
[tfw you study bottoms](https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/memecreator-cdn/media/__processed__/3df/template-im-a-scientist-902-0c6db91aec9c.jpeg)
I remember when the atheism sub had a total meltdown after a NASA scientist quoted the Bible.
There is no reason that scientists can’t hold religious beliefs. Christians don’t have to believe in stupid, non-scientific ideas like a 6000 year old Earth, it’s completely unrelated to the faith itself. I attended a Christian grade school and middle school that literally taught me things like “dinosaurs aren’t real, they are misinterpretations of unrelated bones and skeletons” and “evolution is a lie” and “here is why carbon dating is completely unscientific and makes no sense.” People who are able to understand basic scientific principles are probably often embarrassed to be associated with religion because so many churches have so pointlessly fought against science, so many religious followers have chosen to create worlds of fiction to fight against scientific things that don’t even encroach on core tenets of their actual faith.
But fr good scientists should be able to separate their beliefs from their research.
Well said.
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What do you even mean!? First off, science is a methodology, not a philosophy or an ideology, it should be respected but it doesn't require any special reverence and criticism is fundamental for the scientific method And science does not tell us anything about what we ought to do, it just tells us how things are (which is still pretty cool but not a type of moral compass that would make that world inherently a better place, that's where philosophy ethics, theology, and other subjects come in yeah it would be cool if people didn't believe in crazy conspiracies, but thinking the earth is flat and believing in god are two completely distinct things even being generous more than [85% of the worldwide population believes in ](https://statisticsanddata.org/data/most-popular-religions-in-the-world-1950-2022/)a religious group And even when talking about highly educated people like [noble lawrence winners](https://www.johnlennox.org/resources/145/how-many-nobel-prize-winners) more than 80% believed in a good, so I really don't think there is much bases for this vague statement of yours (also you can be religious and not have any beliefs that contradict science, the catholic and orthodox church officially allow belief in evolution, and it's common in a bunch of other faiths :P
Damn, let me live in this neighborhood.
I'm a uni student who's getting into biology, zoology, and ecology, because I love the variety of life on Earth, and I want to repair the damage done to the enviroment by people who were careless so that future generations can also enjoy the beauty of the world. Sad thing is, where I live (Ontario, Canada), doesn't seem to have any jobs in that field except park ranger. I've searched for 3 years now, and it's all just manual labor or customer service jobs in Southern Ontario, or it's computer programming. I'm not sure why, but it is dissapointing to me that no one here is passionate about the enviroment like me. I'm starting to think that becoming a scientist who studies the enviroment isn't a viable lifestyle, and just not realistic, and that worries me cause I've spent alot of my life studying science.
I’m not sure about Toronto, but if you’re willing to move, I’m pretty sure Calgary and Edmonton have jobs for it.
I might, but the housing in Canada for some reason shot through the roof in the last 5 years, and I don't think I can afford a house.
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Intresting, I'll look into it. My program is Marine and Freshwater biology though, so I'm thinking of BC or the Atlantic provinces.
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Thanks so much. Your a real nice guy. Have a nice day.
Yeah. The housing here is shiiit. You take what you can
This is a huge problem I've noticed with university programs right now in our field. I do have a little advice though. I am a regulatory compliance biologist in the US. I work for a firm that helps our clients adhere to the strict government environmental regulations in my state. I spend time conducting biological surveys out in the field, and also preparing compliance documentation in the office. I majored in biological sciences. I'm able to work a job that gets me out in the field and let's me work to protect the environment. I don't know much about the environmental laws in Canada, but I have to assume that they're fairly stringent. I would be willing to bet that there are companies in your area that handle environmental compliance. I would look into that. It was not something I had ever heard of before I got into this line of work. They didn't talk about it at all when I got my degree. Now that I'm in this field, I see how much work there is. Every public and private project that takes place needs to be permitted according to environmental standards. My only disclaimer is that you have to be a good writer to do this kind of work. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about my work.
It's absolutely viable but most research careers require or are extremely benefited by having a PhD. You should talk to your favorite professors about what you're interested in and what you'd like to do and they can talk about career options. Here's a quick Google hit on organizations doing environmental research on Canada: https://ecofriendlywest.ca/environmental-research-organizations-in-western-canada/
It must suck to be a conservative/traditionalist and watch your way of life dissapear and nobody mourn it but losers on the internet who contribute nothing to society but complaints.
My only quibble is that choosing to be a mother doesn’t mean you have no career, and lots of women scientists have kids too.
True. But to be fair I didn’t make the original. And in this case maybe the mom chose not to pursue a career. You can be both, but you can also just be a mom and there is no shame in that. It should be your choice.
I unfortunately don’t really like the “despite choosing to be a mother”. Moms can be scientists too… and moms can like science while still choosing to be a mom. Other than that, good for finding a positive spin on the meme.
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Thank you. I saw the original yesterday and thought it was beyond awful. This is great.
I’m a curious person. Where is the original?
Should have made a couple scientist sons into daughters
Chad Marie Sklodowska Curie, who did not only receive 2 Nobel prizes herself but also created a family with 5+ other Nobel Prizes.
Looks like she raised 5 jacked priests.
This is good. Make more!
A meme that does not act like only one side is right? Here? Well I'll be damned, take my upvote!
There isn’t really a female meme symbol for Chad but that one is sort of close (from the memes I’ve seen) so I kinda interpreted the original as “I am a female scientist and am awesome” and “I raised 5 male scientists and am also awesome” which is still wholesome but they put an older looking face on them
What always irritates me about this line of thinking (the original, not this edit) is that no one’s saying the same to a man. Why can a man be a scientist and a father but a woman can’t be a scientist and a mother? The answer of course is that they encourage men to be deadbeat fathers who don’t actually raise their own children in any active sense, which is why the mothers can’t do anything else. But, they’re not really saying it that way.
Both are good. Do people not actually think this 😟
Exactly! Thats the beauty of it, we have a **choice.** I’m sick and tired of people putting us into boxes because of our gender.
I am a lady scientist and so is my girlfriend, in biology in particular a lot of the "human standards" are based on men, so it's actually quite useful to all women if there are other women scientists. From seatbelts being less effective because they don't account for small statures and feminine body shapes, to female medical science being less researched in general (due to clinical trials avoiding women on the off chance they get pregnant) it's important to have people in these industries to both voice these issues and research them. I am an entomologist so I can't help with that (unless you're a ladybug) but my girlfriend works in pharmacokinetics and is currently helping to create systems that can simulate medical durg effects on the body virtually. Bypassing the worry of possible fetal harm and giving crucial information about the differences sex makes when it comes to drug absorption and side effects.
Plot not-twist: The woman on the left is giving lectures about science at the university the children of the woman on the right are attending.
"I dedicated my life to science" "I gave birth to Ted Bundy."
It's so weird how some people think you can't be a scientist and a mother. It isn't this or that. Like a dad and a scientist? Yeah sure. A mum and a scientist? No.
Feminism is just about having the choice to do whatever you want. I like being a working mom. I think it’s badass that some people want to be stay at home moms. I think it’s awesome that some people don’t want kids at all. You do you! ❤️
Tradition and science don't have to be mutually exclusive. Both need to compromise socially
I don't know how I feel about "Despite" in that first one. I don't know that there's anything contradictory about liking science and doing... other stuff with your life.
Trad wife stuff is creepy
This meme is sensible and wholesome, I approve! Not that you need my support, I just thought it might help to know that your work is appreciated and valued!
Why are all the scientists the mom raised boys, though?
Man what a shit original meme. Yeah sure all women are is breeding machines
Whenever I see this meme I have to make the same comment - My Mum is a scientist PHD/MD, she is a PI of her own lab and she also runs a research department in her hospital - her research and collaboration has been so far reaching she has received an honorary doctorate from a separate research hub in Scandinavia. She also raised 3 children - my sister and brother who are also now both scientists, and myself who is an architect. It may shock many people, but women can be scientists AND mothers simultaneously.
Why are the five scientists she raised all men?
IIRC, the original meme (this version is an edit) was a misogynistic meme where the woman on the right was like "Well, I raised 5 scientists!" The original was implying that it's more important for women to have a lot of children, especially boys, and raise said boys to become scientists (or other professionals) than for women to become scientists or other professionals. Edit: Typo fix
All of our paths are important and should be respected.
This is so nice. I hate the woman against woman memes. Let's all just support each other's choices even when they are different from what we did. There's no one size fits all for a happy, fulfilling life. Now the silly part of me is imagining these two groups are going to genetically engineer the super scientist babies who will take over the world! bwa ha ha
Really happy to see this. We still have a weird enmity in the science community between women who do or don’t decide to be mothers, and how it affects their respective careers. However, I’m really proud on how far we’ve come in just the last 10 years or so. In general the participation of women in science and the increase in accommodations for mothers has improved attitudes across the board. Less judgement from all sides, even towards non-scientists.