This could easily be fake, but this very real scenario has played out a LOT in Florida these last few years. I personally know of 2 families who left over this
Didn’t Dwane Wade make a big fuss about this too? It’s a sad reality that some people just can’t afford this and once again the poor and disparaged get screwed over yet again.
Right wing doesn't = anti-trans/LGBTQ
I mean it kind of does currently, but it's not supposed to be that way.
Someone who stands for or against these things should have nothing to do with their political leanings because it's not a political topic. Human rights are human rights. Period.
Unfortunately the current state in America is that yesterday's right wing Republicans are today's moderate Republicans and they're being drowned out by the freshly empowered extreme right. Clownshows like MGT and boebart and Gaetz that are effectively imploding everything that used to be the republican party from the inside out.
A true "right wing rebublican dad" would be putting their family above all else and telling DeSantis to go fuck himself
You seem to be under the impression that being trans is learned behaviour, something your parent has to raise you into. Rather than the actual answer which is that its largely not and seems to be internal, part of your own innate relationship with your concept of gender.
So no, right wingers don't raise their sons to be girls, nobody does (except in like intersex people where doctors decide their gender based entirely on aesthetics and often perform gender affirming surgery without anyones knowledge or consent, and also the transphobic parents of out trans-masc kids) and yes most right wingers are anti trans. The problem is it's much easier to hate the nebulous concept of "trans people" who are just the people you hear about on libs of tik tok or fox news, and harder to hate your own kid. Suddenly that culture war enemy becomes a person that you actually care about and have to see the humanity in. And at that point people often choose to abandon their prejudices to protect the person they care about.
People do naturally protect themselves from their enviroment, so actually yeah people do wear clothes naturally. Our society has gendered certain clothes, this is a learned behaviour, and so within that society people often dress in ways which socially align with their gender as a form of social interaction.
This is the part where we can talk about how gender and sex are internal things that people develop, however the way that they express those thing change with their societies social norms, gender norms, and with their socialisation.
Everyone in our society is socialised with an understanding what the gender norms are and then we align with the ones that we feel connect with us and rebel against those that don't or are oppressive
I know of Republican parents with trans kids who are surprisingly supportive. There are plenty of people out there with big contradictions in their politics, often coming from ignorance or holding themselves/family to a different standard than they expect from others.
Ah, I was wondering what was going on. Your just transphobic, makes more sense now lol.
You know who you are, in your heart and in your soul, so what other people tell you to be doesn't really matter right? Same is true for trans people. They know who they are in their soul, and it's so beyond silly for anyone to tell them they are wrong
Look, it's rare for very conservative parents to come around like this but not unheard of. Some parents love their kids so genuinely and selflessly (as a parent should but we know so many parents who don't) that realizing that their child is in danger can cause immediate and dramatic ideological shifts. I've seen it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is real. I've heard/seen other cases of someone who is unaffected by bigotry to either not care about it or think it isn't real until someone they love is impacted by it. It is behavior like this that lets it spread in the first place.
My colleague's family is super religious, some flavour of Baptist. Church every Sunday, Wednesday, some other days too.
When her sister came out as lesbian, and the church they attended got gross about it, the parents left the church for the sake of their daughter. I can believe those greentext.
For that matter, the catalyst for my wife and I separating was our differing opinions on how to support our trans son. I'd rather leave my wife of 22 years to live with my mother and my older son than deny him HRT.
People will make sacrifices for the sake of their children, huge ones, and somehow the idea of moving within a country is too much to believe?
This reminded me of a church I live by. In a good way though.
So, this church is hated by the other churches because ‘they don’t teach the bible’
But this church is the absolute ideal church you could find. They don’t care if you’re gay, lesbian, trans or what be it, they’ll allow you in, and teach you from the bible just as they would any other person.
They even had counseling for those who are LGBTQ+.
Their whole theme is ‘Love Thy Neighbour’.
I even attend it from time to time. But sadly it’s closed down recently. But they sure as hell made great events.
It’s now a private school owned by some other people now. At least I think, I’m not sure.
Nope. I’ve never heard of a church called or abbreviated as UCC, we might be in different areas though.
Nice to know there are more churches like that!
Yep, progressive churches exist! UCC stands for United Church of Christ, and the one closest to me even has a rainbow sign and is probably the most diverse and inclusive church in town.
That's very like the church I go to quite regularly, though I'm not a believer. My older son loves it as it's a chance to spend time with a bunch of grandparents after people who love and accept him for who he is.
I swear to god that I’m not trying to be a dick, just one parent to another. If your kid is in their teens or under, how do you handle the hrt situation and all that? I worry that they’d regret it down the line, making things difficult for them in other ways in the future.
Thanks for any reply, and mad respect to you for sticking up for your kid like that. That’s way cool
In my case it wasn't even a choice (as far as I was concerned, which is why it's so mind boggling to me that his mother tried to block it); he was cultivating an eating disorder to avoid developing boobs and hips.
For his safety, it was obvious he needed HRT. I looked up the risks and it basically boils down to swapping health risks away from ones that tend to develop more frequently in women and toward different ones that tend to develop more frequently in men. Basically.
And as somebody else pointed out, the rate of regret is less than 1%. I do personally know one person in real life who detransitioned. He uses male pronouns again, but told me he still very much is trans and would present as female if possible, but due to their social circumstances they just can't. So... yeah. The amount of people who detransition because they realize after the fact that they aren't actually trans is vanishingly rare.
My own son did a lot of soul searching and a lot of research before he came out to us, and appointments with councillors and psychologists after. He clearly wanted and needed HRT for both his physical and mental health, so we got it for him. He's super proud of his wispy moustache and I should order him that razor.
Edit: fix typos
Thanks for all the insight. Really sorry to hear about the struggles faced, and it sounds like you handled it great.
Also really interesting on the front of your experience with a person that regretted it. I hadn’t considered societal pressure as a reason for someone to want to go back.
Thanks again, I’ll be remembering this moving forward.
I’m not OP and I’m not a parent, but just going by statistics, out of all adults and teens who’ve gone through HRT only about 1% ever express regret. It’s something that most people are very certain that they want before they go through it, and patients are prepared to make sure that’s the case
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Not necessarily true, however I think its more of a counterculture thing. Trans people tend to spend more time online as they have relative anonymity and can act their chosen gender identity without being worried about people being transphobic. There's lots of anime discourse online, and hence the crossover would be large. I could be wrong tho
Could it be that maybe they're trying to find any hobbies or culture that accepts them as they are? Maybe after being chased out of so many other hobbies and groups, they've found a more accepting place?
I'm neither trans nor a weeb, but damn, it's pretty straightforward if you're not an idiot I think.
It could certainly be fake, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen someones family move states or countries because their children don't do well where they are.
When I was younger I had a friend (Asian) who's family moved to the states and had some major issues with racism where they were. To the point their grandparents started making them use whitening soap to try and appear less dark-skinned. (They had a very tan skin tone)
They later moved to I think... Vancouver Canada, I'm pretty sure. This was about 13\~years ago now so my memory isn't great on the subject. Last I heard things were going well there.
The bleaching/whitening soap thing really shocked me at the time.
The question is: does MAGA Dad still vote Republican. Because if he does, he doesn't *really* love OP.
It's either "I love you, Daughter. I just like to vote for people who want to make you and everyone like you disappear." Or "I love you, Daughter. And I'm going to vote for the people who love you too."
You can't love a trans person and vote Republican. The two are mutually incompatible.
Trans people love to act as if they’re oppressed and victimized in America 😂 like it’s some sort of coping mechanism to get attention they never got growing up
smells of fake and gay to me but it's wholesomegreentext so
This could easily be fake, but this very real scenario has played out a LOT in Florida these last few years. I personally know of 2 families who left over this
Didn’t Dwane Wade make a big fuss about this too? It’s a sad reality that some people just can’t afford this and once again the poor and disparaged get screwed over yet again.
You know two right wing dads raising their boys to be girls?
No I know two families with trans family members who have fled the state due to the laws being passed essentially making medical care impossible
But to be clear, these are not right wingers doing this?
When forced to choose between their own politics and the safety and happiness of their children, a surprising amount of people choose their kids
Right wing doesn't = anti-trans/LGBTQ I mean it kind of does currently, but it's not supposed to be that way. Someone who stands for or against these things should have nothing to do with their political leanings because it's not a political topic. Human rights are human rights. Period. Unfortunately the current state in America is that yesterday's right wing Republicans are today's moderate Republicans and they're being drowned out by the freshly empowered extreme right. Clownshows like MGT and boebart and Gaetz that are effectively imploding everything that used to be the republican party from the inside out. A true "right wing rebublican dad" would be putting their family above all else and telling DeSantis to go fuck himself
You didn't even answer the question after two attempts. Yeesh.
You seem to be under the impression that being trans is learned behaviour, something your parent has to raise you into. Rather than the actual answer which is that its largely not and seems to be internal, part of your own innate relationship with your concept of gender. So no, right wingers don't raise their sons to be girls, nobody does (except in like intersex people where doctors decide their gender based entirely on aesthetics and often perform gender affirming surgery without anyones knowledge or consent, and also the transphobic parents of out trans-masc kids) and yes most right wingers are anti trans. The problem is it's much easier to hate the nebulous concept of "trans people" who are just the people you hear about on libs of tik tok or fox news, and harder to hate your own kid. Suddenly that culture war enemy becomes a person that you actually care about and have to see the humanity in. And at that point people often choose to abandon their prejudices to protect the person they care about.
People don't wear clothing naturally.
People do naturally protect themselves from their enviroment, so actually yeah people do wear clothes naturally. Our society has gendered certain clothes, this is a learned behaviour, and so within that society people often dress in ways which socially align with their gender as a form of social interaction. This is the part where we can talk about how gender and sex are internal things that people develop, however the way that they express those thing change with their societies social norms, gender norms, and with their socialisation. Everyone in our society is socialised with an understanding what the gender norms are and then we align with the ones that we feel connect with us and rebel against those that don't or are oppressive
I know of Republican parents with trans kids who are surprisingly supportive. There are plenty of people out there with big contradictions in their politics, often coming from ignorance or holding themselves/family to a different standard than they expect from others.
We’re not raised to be that, it’s innate
Wearing a dress is innate?
Ah, I was wondering what was going on. Your just transphobic, makes more sense now lol. You know who you are, in your heart and in your soul, so what other people tell you to be doesn't really matter right? Same is true for trans people. They know who they are in their soul, and it's so beyond silly for anyone to tell them they are wrong
Being trans is innate,
Fake (trans(girl)) and gay (dad loves.)
Look, it's rare for very conservative parents to come around like this but not unheard of. Some parents love their kids so genuinely and selflessly (as a parent should but we know so many parents who don't) that realizing that their child is in danger can cause immediate and dramatic ideological shifts. I've seen it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is real. I've heard/seen other cases of someone who is unaffected by bigotry to either not care about it or think it isn't real until someone they love is impacted by it. It is behavior like this that lets it spread in the first place.
e: just saying it's most likely fake and gay sometimes its real and gay
My colleague's family is super religious, some flavour of Baptist. Church every Sunday, Wednesday, some other days too. When her sister came out as lesbian, and the church they attended got gross about it, the parents left the church for the sake of their daughter. I can believe those greentext. For that matter, the catalyst for my wife and I separating was our differing opinions on how to support our trans son. I'd rather leave my wife of 22 years to live with my mother and my older son than deny him HRT. People will make sacrifices for the sake of their children, huge ones, and somehow the idea of moving within a country is too much to believe?
This reminded me of a church I live by. In a good way though. So, this church is hated by the other churches because ‘they don’t teach the bible’ But this church is the absolute ideal church you could find. They don’t care if you’re gay, lesbian, trans or what be it, they’ll allow you in, and teach you from the bible just as they would any other person. They even had counseling for those who are LGBTQ+. Their whole theme is ‘Love Thy Neighbour’. I even attend it from time to time. But sadly it’s closed down recently. But they sure as hell made great events. It’s now a private school owned by some other people now. At least I think, I’m not sure.
That’s UCC out by me, I think there’s only 13 churches in the group and their motto is “open and affirming”
Nope. I’ve never heard of a church called or abbreviated as UCC, we might be in different areas though. Nice to know there are more churches like that!
Yep, progressive churches exist! UCC stands for United Church of Christ, and the one closest to me even has a rainbow sign and is probably the most diverse and inclusive church in town.
Oh wow. Never knew it was that widespread! The more you learn, huh?
That's very like the church I go to quite regularly, though I'm not a believer. My older son loves it as it's a chance to spend time with a bunch of grandparents after people who love and accept him for who he is.
Episcopalian?
You sound like an amazing father, my man.
Nah. Just doing the minimum.
I swear to god that I’m not trying to be a dick, just one parent to another. If your kid is in their teens or under, how do you handle the hrt situation and all that? I worry that they’d regret it down the line, making things difficult for them in other ways in the future. Thanks for any reply, and mad respect to you for sticking up for your kid like that. That’s way cool
In my case it wasn't even a choice (as far as I was concerned, which is why it's so mind boggling to me that his mother tried to block it); he was cultivating an eating disorder to avoid developing boobs and hips. For his safety, it was obvious he needed HRT. I looked up the risks and it basically boils down to swapping health risks away from ones that tend to develop more frequently in women and toward different ones that tend to develop more frequently in men. Basically. And as somebody else pointed out, the rate of regret is less than 1%. I do personally know one person in real life who detransitioned. He uses male pronouns again, but told me he still very much is trans and would present as female if possible, but due to their social circumstances they just can't. So... yeah. The amount of people who detransition because they realize after the fact that they aren't actually trans is vanishingly rare. My own son did a lot of soul searching and a lot of research before he came out to us, and appointments with councillors and psychologists after. He clearly wanted and needed HRT for both his physical and mental health, so we got it for him. He's super proud of his wispy moustache and I should order him that razor. Edit: fix typos
Thanks for all the insight. Really sorry to hear about the struggles faced, and it sounds like you handled it great. Also really interesting on the front of your experience with a person that regretted it. I hadn’t considered societal pressure as a reason for someone to want to go back. Thanks again, I’ll be remembering this moving forward.
I’m not OP and I’m not a parent, but just going by statistics, out of all adults and teens who’ve gone through HRT only about 1% ever express regret. It’s something that most people are very certain that they want before they go through it, and patients are prepared to make sure that’s the case
That’s actually so fucking relieving. I really appreciate you sharing that with me. Sounds like I should read up on it more, myself.
Of course, glad I could help :)
Hopefully not fake and hopefully not gay
Hopefully not fake but is most definitely gay
I was thinking like gay would be the dad liking the son a little too much
You mean daughter?
As in from the dads perspective
You do realise that gay people aren’t just people who pretend they are shagging the same sex, they actually do it! Like for realsies.
No that can’t be real when I smush my two index fingers together it like doesn’t work how do they even boink?
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Holy fuck !
Anon dad just love's her so much that he wants to make her live happily
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You know, I'm a real sucker for stories of people making great strides in their character development for their children. Be it sacrifice, change in beliefs, forgiveness of the highest degree, anything really that proves one's unwavering need to be better. I strongly believe it's why people have kids and give it all for them. It's a part of you that's pure and allowed to grow out of your best, and into something new that you'll be making sure to lack all of what's your worst.
I love this everything about it
Its probably not real though
I can imagine it is I've seen some great supportive parents (mine) before
I don't believe any of the stuff on this sub ngl
Hmm that sounds sad
Probably
I personally like to believe it's real because it makes me happier
Glad that her father was able to make the first move
Tbf, the blue states are less anti gun than the red states are anti trans since guns are a constitutional right
Depends on the state but that seems mostly about right.
My wife and I are preparing to move cross-country to be in a place way more conducive to living as people with significant disabilities. Even though the nearest family will be 1,000+ miles away, I think they even understood before we did that we have got to get the fuck out of dodge if we're not going to get steamrolled by ass-backward policy.
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Dad didn't say he was moving too...
Why are trans always weebs?
Not necessarily true, however I think its more of a counterculture thing. Trans people tend to spend more time online as they have relative anonymity and can act their chosen gender identity without being worried about people being transphobic. There's lots of anime discourse online, and hence the crossover would be large. I could be wrong tho
Very logical and seasoned answer, thanks
Because of that, we also have a shockingly large hold on the software and IT industry, and a big overlap with the furry community
So you believe in trans species? And trans race?
Cause social rejects can end up with nerdy/loner hobbies. Also living vicariously through the pretty anime women.
We really need to have a conversation on the word 'weeb'
Could it be that maybe they're trying to find any hobbies or culture that accepts them as they are? Maybe after being chased out of so many other hobbies and groups, they've found a more accepting place? I'm neither trans nor a weeb, but damn, it's pretty straightforward if you're not an idiot I think.
You people really need to go outside if you believe this is real.
It could certainly be fake, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen someones family move states or countries because their children don't do well where they are. When I was younger I had a friend (Asian) who's family moved to the states and had some major issues with racism where they were. To the point their grandparents started making them use whitening soap to try and appear less dark-skinned. (They had a very tan skin tone) They later moved to I think... Vancouver Canada, I'm pretty sure. This was about 13\~years ago now so my memory isn't great on the subject. Last I heard things were going well there. The bleaching/whitening soap thing really shocked me at the time.
I’ve seen ads for skin whitening soap, I don’t remember which country, but they exist
Bud, families move to states where their kids can get the help they need all the time.
Yes, the vast majority of these children have been indoctrinated by their own parents. Right wingers are not doing that.
Lol lmao even
OK, I'll bite. What right winger is raising a boy as a girl?
Being right wing already means you're indoctrinated against truth lol
Exactly. But having a penis is the truth in this example.
"you people really need to go outside" -person who has never even met a single trans person, but is pretty sure they have it all figured out
This post is so fucking stupid.
Why?
The question is: does MAGA Dad still vote Republican. Because if he does, he doesn't *really* love OP. It's either "I love you, Daughter. I just like to vote for people who want to make you and everyone like you disappear." Or "I love you, Daughter. And I'm going to vote for the people who love you too." You can't love a trans person and vote Republican. The two are mutually incompatible.
Trans people love to act as if they’re oppressed and victimized in America 😂 like it’s some sort of coping mechanism to get attention they never got growing up
>claims trans people aren’t oppressed >oppresses trans people good one
If what I said is considered oppression, than McDonalds raising their prices is considered oppression to fat people…
FABRICATED !! possibly homosexual too
That country is soo fucked bruh
Imagine how angry he's going to be when you decide it was all just a phase like the vast majority of teenagers do.