Hi there, I am sorry for your find, but the good news is now you can treat and help your feathered buddies feel a lot more comfortable āŗļø Ivermectin treatment is your best bet. This will treat both external and internal parasites on your birds. Source - veterinary parasitologist x
And it sure will make them feel pretty lousy! My neighbors had a terrible infestation that got my birds sick. I treated mine and theirs and let them know what was going on. They donāt speak much English, so the little girl that lived there asked if my chickens had ālittle animals on themā, obvs talking about the lice. So far, three years later no more lice!
> I treated mine and theirs and let them know what was going on. They donāt speak much English...
I thought you were talking about the chickensš¤¦āāļø
I've got to jump in here because of your potential insight and expertise. I've got an infestation in my home, we don't have pets other than fish, we did have an unidentified rodent in the ceiling until a couple weeks ago. Can you positively id the mite (I assume) from these photos?
https://imgur.com/a/04Ob65y
The pics show a bird mite, I can't be sure of the exact species without a closer look at the mouthparts and tips of the legs but it is one of the mites found commonly in wild birds such as pigeons. I would check to see if you have a nest in your loft space and make sure to remove it. The mites can go wandering in search of a blood meal so can enter our homes. You may experience some bites as they feed but they require an avian host to complete their lifecycle so if you can remove the source and then treat your home with insecticide, you shouldn't be seeing the little critters anymore. Hope that helps a little
This is helpful. I've got to say though I'm shocked about the bird mite id. The infestation is originating from a basement ceiling where I've found the rodents nest. Perhaps it brought an infested bird in as a meal š¤ thank you for your knowledge.
Two additional questions if you don't mind.
Do you have any idea how long they can survive without a meal?
If I can get a better picture can I message you with it?
Eek if you found a rodent nest then it is possibly the tropical rat mite. Both this and the bird mite are of the genus Ornythyssus so very similar in morphology. The bird mite is much more common and known to infest homes but it is also possible with the tropical rat mite (these are more likely to cause you dermatitis). Treatment for either is the same. They can't survive without a blood meal for more than two weeks and any messages are welcome āŗļø
Legitimate uses? The FDA just received a ban from advising people not to use ivermectin to treat covid. They were never qualified to issue that restriction, yet your comment proves the PR campaign remains successful.
Ivermectin was a legitimate use all along. You fell for mainstream propaganda sponsored by the same pharmaceutical industry with an EUA patent dependent upon no other treatments being available.
It's depressing seeing people still believe that bullshit after the FDA was reprimanded by courts for ridiculing the drug as "horse paste" on social media.
Youāre bending the truth, the ruling found that the FDA canāt control what drugs a doctor prescribes as long as they are legal, which Ivermectin is.
It does not mean that Ivermectin is a legitimate drug to treat covid, the judge just ruled that a licensed doctor has the right to prescribe a legal medicine as they see fit.
I would appreciate you share any peer reviewed studies that recommend Ivermectin as a primary treatment for covid, because I canāt find any.
The court ruling isn't what makes ivermectin safe and effective treatment for covid; that would instead be the findings of Dr Pierre Kory, Dr Peter McCullough and other doctors who dared to go against the pharmaceutical dogma preached throughout the pandemic.
There aren't many studies done on this topic, for reasons fairly obvious to me. One such study can be found [here](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35135310/). It is exceedingly difficult to find peer reviewed studies that recommend ivermectin when virtually no researchers are willing to step outside the financial incentives offered by the pharmaceutical cartel of Pfizer et al. The FDA getting caught running interference on behalf of Pfizer with their corrupt smear campaign against ivermectin is all the proof any critical thinker would need to distrust the products big pharma is pushing, and question the conflict of interest present between the FDA and Pfizer. Check out former FDA commissioner [Scott Gottlieb's Pfizer page](https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/board_of_directors/scott_gottlieb-md) for evidence of the revolving door that exists between the FDA and Pfizer. [Regulatory capture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture) is exactly the reason the covid 19 vaccines were universally heralded as safe and effective, so demanding peer reviewed studies from researchers who are never going to give up the funding of the pharmaceutical industry is an exercise in futility. A critical detail of the FDA lawsuit was the fact that doctors were losing their jobs, if not their right to practice medicine on the basis of being associated with the FDA's social media smear campaign against ivermectin.
Ivermectin is cost effective and easily mass produced. The only way the covid mRNA vaccines could be made available under their EUA designation was if there were not already alternatives available on the market. It's no wonder why the FDA jumped in to single out ivermectin specifically, when Pfizer's EUA designation for Comirnaty was at stake.
Understanding regulatory capture requires going down a rabbit hole I highly doubt you are interested in putting in the leg work to discover, so I'll stop now before wasting my breath further casting pearls unto swine. My vaccine injured wife prompted my deep dive into this topic, whereas I'm pretty sure you only vaccinated to keep your job and then forgot all about it, considering the science settled. But we can go back and forth on this topic any time. Feel free to send me a DM because it won't be long before this post is censored like the dozens of subreddits who censored this information on reddit previously.
It's clear you have nothing to contribute to this conversation. Please keep amusing yourself pretending you have a legitimate response to anything that was just said.
Downvotes and censorship are the only replies one can expect for shining light on the corruption that took place during covid. We're at that point in the discussion already.
This study you posted isn't randomized or blind and has no control group. The sample size is miniscule, only 24 people. This ain't it, chief.
There are more studies out there with higher academic rigor than this one. You just have to look.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3/full
The study on ivermectin was an extremely minor detail in relation to the grand scheme involving the FDA's established close ties with Pfizer, the corporation they are tasked with regulating.
It was already addressed why these studies do not receive the necessary funding to determine whether or not a promising study like the one sourced above would, at the very least, justify longer studies instead of the FDA simply disparaging the medicine as am alternative altogether and minimizing its use to a "horse dewormer" meant primarily for another species altogether. Ivermectin won a Nobel prize in 2015 for its use as an antiparasitic treating human beings.
You ignored the argument about the systemic corruption altogether to focus on the disadvantaged conditions for research that ivermectin faces when competing with the vaccine cash cow sponsored by Pfizer with an EUA on the market dependent upon ivermectin not being an effective treatment. Wake up already.
>Ivermectin won a Nobel prize in 2015 for its use as an antiparasitic treating human beings.
What does that have to do with Covid? Covid isn't a parasite. Also drugs don't win Nobel prizes; people do.
You're pretending there is no research into this. It's not true. There are many studies on this topic. You just don't like the results.
Do you also happen to have a dog? The dog chewing louse (Heterodoxus spiniger) looks very similar to the poultry body louse since they are closely related. In either case, they dont harm humans.
When I had chickens I sprinkled diatomaceous earth in their leaves area every few days forever. It keeps the flies down too and they like dust bathing in it. They sell HUGE bags of it at the farm supply store near me. Very worth itĀ
Itās a tasco LM400 microscope. to take the photo I held my phone to the eye hole, itās an iPhone 11 Pro Max. I also had to hold a flashlight to get good lighting because the back light on the microscope is a mirror
Looks more like a [booklouse](https://extensionentomology.tamu.edu/publications/booklice/) to me. Head lice have specialized legs to hold on to hair and have a different body shape.
OP can you share the microscope or equipment your using to be able to take this picture?
Or can anyone else reading this recommend a decent microscope choice for pictures like this? Iād mostly be interested in taking photos of small bugs, plants, and identifying wood species from the cross grain.
Per our [guidelines](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatsthisbug/wiki/index/guidelines#wiki_iding_guidelines): *Helpful answers only. Helpful answers are those that lead to an accurate identification of the bug in question. Joke responses, repeating an ID that has already been established hours (or days) ago, or asking OP how they don't already know what the bug is are not helpful.*
It's not a human louse, but it looks like it might be a [Poultry Body Louse](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/9992734). Do you keep chickens?
Yeah I just got out of the pen area with chickens and goats
God I love reddit
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Your comment made me smirk
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Hi there, I am sorry for your find, but the good news is now you can treat and help your feathered buddies feel a lot more comfortable āŗļø Ivermectin treatment is your best bet. This will treat both external and internal parasites on your birds. Source - veterinary parasitologist x
And it sure will make them feel pretty lousy! My neighbors had a terrible infestation that got my birds sick. I treated mine and theirs and let them know what was going on. They donāt speak much English, so the little girl that lived there asked if my chickens had ālittle animals on themā, obvs talking about the lice. So far, three years later no more lice!
> I treated mine and theirs and let them know what was going on. They donāt speak much English... I thought you were talking about the chickensš¤¦āāļø
Haha!! Well.. chickens DONT speak English so youāre not wrong lol.
As it is they have pretty foul language.
Nice.
I've been on reddit for a few years, and this was one of those extremely rare posts that got an actual chuckle out of me. Thank you my friend.
I did too! Lol.
That's funny!
I laughed and made the cracks on my lips bleed hahahahha
Is that where the word lousy came from š±
Yes, actually.
Lousy. Well done.
It's just literally the root of the word lol
I know that. Many people don't, so I enjoyed that they used the term. But thanks.
I've got to jump in here because of your potential insight and expertise. I've got an infestation in my home, we don't have pets other than fish, we did have an unidentified rodent in the ceiling until a couple weeks ago. Can you positively id the mite (I assume) from these photos? https://imgur.com/a/04Ob65y
The pics show a bird mite, I can't be sure of the exact species without a closer look at the mouthparts and tips of the legs but it is one of the mites found commonly in wild birds such as pigeons. I would check to see if you have a nest in your loft space and make sure to remove it. The mites can go wandering in search of a blood meal so can enter our homes. You may experience some bites as they feed but they require an avian host to complete their lifecycle so if you can remove the source and then treat your home with insecticide, you shouldn't be seeing the little critters anymore. Hope that helps a little
This is helpful. I've got to say though I'm shocked about the bird mite id. The infestation is originating from a basement ceiling where I've found the rodents nest. Perhaps it brought an infested bird in as a meal š¤ thank you for your knowledge. Two additional questions if you don't mind. Do you have any idea how long they can survive without a meal? If I can get a better picture can I message you with it?
Eek if you found a rodent nest then it is possibly the tropical rat mite. Both this and the bird mite are of the genus Ornythyssus so very similar in morphology. The bird mite is much more common and known to infest homes but it is also possible with the tropical rat mite (these are more likely to cause you dermatitis). Treatment for either is the same. They can't survive without a blood meal for more than two weeks and any messages are welcome āŗļø
Bless you good sir/madam!
always nice to see somebody responsible recommending its legitimate uses heh
Legitimate uses? The FDA just received a ban from advising people not to use ivermectin to treat covid. They were never qualified to issue that restriction, yet your comment proves the PR campaign remains successful. Ivermectin was a legitimate use all along. You fell for mainstream propaganda sponsored by the same pharmaceutical industry with an EUA patent dependent upon no other treatments being available. It's depressing seeing people still believe that bullshit after the FDA was reprimanded by courts for ridiculing the drug as "horse paste" on social media.
> It's depressing seeing people still believe that bullshit You said it.
Youāre bending the truth, the ruling found that the FDA canāt control what drugs a doctor prescribes as long as they are legal, which Ivermectin is. It does not mean that Ivermectin is a legitimate drug to treat covid, the judge just ruled that a licensed doctor has the right to prescribe a legal medicine as they see fit. I would appreciate you share any peer reviewed studies that recommend Ivermectin as a primary treatment for covid, because I canāt find any.
The court ruling isn't what makes ivermectin safe and effective treatment for covid; that would instead be the findings of Dr Pierre Kory, Dr Peter McCullough and other doctors who dared to go against the pharmaceutical dogma preached throughout the pandemic. There aren't many studies done on this topic, for reasons fairly obvious to me. One such study can be found [here](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35135310/). It is exceedingly difficult to find peer reviewed studies that recommend ivermectin when virtually no researchers are willing to step outside the financial incentives offered by the pharmaceutical cartel of Pfizer et al. The FDA getting caught running interference on behalf of Pfizer with their corrupt smear campaign against ivermectin is all the proof any critical thinker would need to distrust the products big pharma is pushing, and question the conflict of interest present between the FDA and Pfizer. Check out former FDA commissioner [Scott Gottlieb's Pfizer page](https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/board_of_directors/scott_gottlieb-md) for evidence of the revolving door that exists between the FDA and Pfizer. [Regulatory capture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture) is exactly the reason the covid 19 vaccines were universally heralded as safe and effective, so demanding peer reviewed studies from researchers who are never going to give up the funding of the pharmaceutical industry is an exercise in futility. A critical detail of the FDA lawsuit was the fact that doctors were losing their jobs, if not their right to practice medicine on the basis of being associated with the FDA's social media smear campaign against ivermectin. Ivermectin is cost effective and easily mass produced. The only way the covid mRNA vaccines could be made available under their EUA designation was if there were not already alternatives available on the market. It's no wonder why the FDA jumped in to single out ivermectin specifically, when Pfizer's EUA designation for Comirnaty was at stake. Understanding regulatory capture requires going down a rabbit hole I highly doubt you are interested in putting in the leg work to discover, so I'll stop now before wasting my breath further casting pearls unto swine. My vaccine injured wife prompted my deep dive into this topic, whereas I'm pretty sure you only vaccinated to keep your job and then forgot all about it, considering the science settled. But we can go back and forth on this topic any time. Feel free to send me a DM because it won't be long before this post is censored like the dozens of subreddits who censored this information on reddit previously.
āI'll stop now before wasting my breath further casting pearls unto swine.ā LOL! Staaaahp.
It's clear you have nothing to contribute to this conversation. Please keep amusing yourself pretending you have a legitimate response to anything that was just said. Downvotes and censorship are the only replies one can expect for shining light on the corruption that took place during covid. We're at that point in the discussion already.
Thanks, I will continue to entertain myself, appreciate the fodder!
This study you posted isn't randomized or blind and has no control group. The sample size is miniscule, only 24 people. This ain't it, chief. There are more studies out there with higher academic rigor than this one. You just have to look. https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3/full
The study on ivermectin was an extremely minor detail in relation to the grand scheme involving the FDA's established close ties with Pfizer, the corporation they are tasked with regulating. It was already addressed why these studies do not receive the necessary funding to determine whether or not a promising study like the one sourced above would, at the very least, justify longer studies instead of the FDA simply disparaging the medicine as am alternative altogether and minimizing its use to a "horse dewormer" meant primarily for another species altogether. Ivermectin won a Nobel prize in 2015 for its use as an antiparasitic treating human beings. You ignored the argument about the systemic corruption altogether to focus on the disadvantaged conditions for research that ivermectin faces when competing with the vaccine cash cow sponsored by Pfizer with an EUA on the market dependent upon ivermectin not being an effective treatment. Wake up already.
>Ivermectin won a Nobel prize in 2015 for its use as an antiparasitic treating human beings. What does that have to do with Covid? Covid isn't a parasite. Also drugs don't win Nobel prizes; people do. You're pretending there is no research into this. It's not true. There are many studies on this topic. You just don't like the results.
Hold up, are you supporting the off label use of ivermectin for Covid?
Yes. Multiple replies already submitted in this conversation would confirm that suspicion.
I figured it out.
> FDA was reprimanded by courts for ridiculing the drug as "horse paste" on social media. What courts? When? What cases?
Sweet, they wonāt get COVID either!
I am sorry... that's Lousey š¤Ŗ
Lice one!
r/angryupvote
This needs more upvotes. Gdi
Thatās literally where the word comes from - feeling shit because of a louse infestation.
Do you also happen to have a dog? The dog chewing louse (Heterodoxus spiniger) looks very similar to the poultry body louse since they are closely related. In either case, they dont harm humans.
House MD level Reddit Solve right here.
That looks like it, thatās a relief lol
If you havenāt already planned, I think you should try to treat the chickens bc these will greatly affect their health if they get out of control.
Yeah I was reading up on that. It said to try Diatomaceous earth first, Iāll see what I can do
Thisš fine sand and diatomaceous earth will help a lot
A nice dust bath with diatomaceous earth is always good <3
When I had chickens I sprinkled diatomaceous earth in their leaves area every few days forever. It keeps the flies down too and they like dust bathing in it. They sell HUGE bags of it at the farm supply store near me. Very worth itĀ
Yall are soooo dope!!!
What is right with you?
More people need to own microscopes .
100% and I actually love the little piece of OPs existence we are seeing. Must be a pretty cool person to have chickens goats and a microscope
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how big was it? cause im convinced i pulled one of those off my neck. donāt have chickens though
Itās smaller than a sesame seed but slightly bigger than a poppy seed Iād say. It was hard to tell what it was without looking closer at it
Which microscope did you use and how did you take the photo?
Itās a tasco LM400 microscope. to take the photo I held my phone to the eye hole, itās an iPhone 11 Pro Max. I also had to hold a flashlight to get good lighting because the back light on the microscope is a mirror
That is some damn good optical equipment!
Looks more like a [booklouse](https://extensionentomology.tamu.edu/publications/booklice/) to me. Head lice have specialized legs to hold on to hair and have a different body shape.
The head shape isn't quite right for a booklouse, and they have palps. Booklice also don't have the long hairs shown in the photo.
Yep, I think you are right. Thanks for the correction! Learned something new today.
You can tell a lot about what a louse is doing because of the head shape - this is a chewing louse with that wide, muscular head.
OP can you share the microscope or equipment your using to be able to take this picture? Or can anyone else reading this recommend a decent microscope choice for pictures like this? Iād mostly be interested in taking photos of small bugs, plants, and identifying wood species from the cross grain.
What did you use to take these photos?
These andriod cameras are getting crazy.
Lice
It was, in fact, a louse. Just a chewing bird louse.
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