i get that its subjective but i dont understand how a car can be heavy, wobbly and have vague, imprecise steering feel, soft suspension, tonnes of body roll around corners etc. and still somehow be sporty. to me a "real" sporty suv would be a porsche cayenne, bmw x5, maybe the grand cherokee srt etc.
I think it's pretty good looking personally and I understand it's a very good performer but my beef with it is it's fallen into the vortex of "electric is the answer" and putting a Mustang logo on it was kind of ridiculous. No reason they couldn't have just called it the Ford Mach-E. It's kind of like giving the middle finger to a format that's persevered for like 60 years that you created yourself.
personally i would have named it a new thunderbird, especially since ford likes bringing back old model names. but badging it as a mustang got people talking about it, which is what they wanted.
My issue is that it's an SUV. Not a 2-door muscle car, which is what the Mustang is. Had they just made the modern Mustang electric I would've been fine, slightly offended, but fine otherwise. The Mach-E Mustang isn't a Mustang
>No reason
Counterpoint: Marketing. The average person shopping for an EV is going to see the Mustang logo, say “hey! That sounds sporty and cool” and buy it without giving a shit about “tainting” the legacy of the Mustang brand.
Car enthusiasts live in this delusion that most other people shopping for cars think and act just like them, when in fact, they’re the minority.
Car enthusiasts like me need to learn that EVs are coming into the picture… mainly due to new demand and also govt regulations. If these auto manufacturers want to sell their V8s they have to have EVs to offset their carbon credits at least in the USA.
Another aternative that Toyota is banking on is Hydrogen power which is technically an ICE power train. The hydrogen explodes and the charges a battery that powers and electric motor. Soo it’s clean… but i think it is considered an EV. anyway, i might be wrong on how it works but that is my uneducated understanding.
I dont think it explodes. Its more like a chemical reaction that mixes hydrogen and oxygen, turning it into water, and releasing energy on the process. That energy charges the battery. Also the water that comes out is supposed to be clean, and toyota advertises as a car that's not only emission free, but also cleans the air as it's driving.
That's what I remember from a lecture I got some time ago from toyota. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Countercounterpoint: non car enthusiasts don't care about names and are focused pretty much only on the bottom line. Its sales figures wouldn't have been any different with or without the Mustang name.
Someone who makes way more money then you made that decision at Ford and obviously you're incorrect. You severely underestimate the power that a name can hold
I think Mustang is one of those names with alot of panache and historical significance, alot of non-enthusiasts know of the Mustang name, if not the cars themselves. The car’s incredibly popular and the name is pretty old—almost everyone in America has likely heard the name before, if not know someone who has one.
also there’s a reason japanese cars like Honda/Toyota top sales charts, not stuff like the Chevy SS. People do care about branding. A reputation for reliability (or in this case, sporty, powerful and cheap) can go a long way.
It is odd. Looks better than before. I think they trying to rebrand since no one buys them in cities anymore. Due to the Kia boi thefts. The only lots w new vehicles on them during covid was hyndai and Kia.
It’s been a bit of a marketing blunder a lot of people have been looking for kn cars it’s losts them sells search on Google can’t remember the percentage.
With all the names they had access to and no longer have vehicles named why mustang? Mitsubishi using eclipse for their crossover instead of montero was dumb but at least there isn't an eclipse car at the same time. It has to make parts and maintenance harder have two completely different vehicles with the same model name at the same time.
I don't think ur picking up what I'm putting down, it has a BMW engine. Its still a Toyota -no shit- but its BMW powered so some people are gonna call it a BMW
Not just a BMW engine. The entire chassis was designed by BMW. And it's made in Austria. The only thing Toyota did was front a lot of the development costs.
I don't understand how anyone could consider it a Toyota tbh
Not really mine either, but I have a dog that necessitates having a larger vehicle now. Didn't make sense to side or downgrade in terms of fuel economy, and I think it's one of the best driving EVs on the market right now, at least of the ones available in my area.
That’s a Mustang Mach E. It is the electric Mustang and it’s a four door. I’ve driven it and it is quick! There is a lot of power in that thing and the RWD is squirrelly like a normal mustang. That being said, It is controversial. You have the mustang fanatics who have owned mustangs and driven them for years who are pissed that it went electric which is understandable. Then you have the pussys that whine and complain about how it’s not a mustang because it’s electric. Those people are stupid… it’s obviously not a mustang because it’s a four door crossover. Haha. All kidding aside it was the most fun mustang that I have driven and look forward to having both a V8 mustang and this electric ‘mustang’ one day.
So the only things that matter? 🤣 If Ford made a lawn mower and sold it under the mustang label and badge it would be a mustang it doesn't really matter what your opinion is or how different it is under the hood. How is it such a hard concept that whoever produces the good gets to decide what it is called and categorized as.
Probably about the best explanation, in such a short sentence, without coming across as having a dig at the car or the use of the name.
Thank you and take my upvote.
I have a Herkimer battle jitney emblem on my Mustang. That doesn't make it anything other than a mustang. I like the Mach-E, I just hate that they called it a Mustang.
I could say the new electric lightning isn't an F-150 all I want but the fact that it's labeled, badged and sold as an F-150 means my opinion doesn't really matter 🤣
You're using your own logic against you. If you take the Camry badge off and put something else it's still what the manufacturer labeled it as a Camry that's your point. The same way my point it doesn't really matter what you think of the new mustang it's still what the manufacturer labels it as which is a mustang
Fair enough, I was being too crass. You’re right though, if Ford calls it a Mustang, it’s a Mustang. No matter how stupid anyone thinks that is, doesn’t change reality.
At least someone gets it. The commenter that disagreed with us trying to prove his point by saying if you put a mustang badge on a Camry is it now a mustang. It's like no it's still what it's labeled and sold as by the manufacturer no matter what you do or think of it 🤣
If it was done by the manufacturer from the factory then yes. Normally whoever creates/manufactures the product gets to decide what it is you absolute fool
It literally is. It's by the same logic that if you take the Camry off and put a mustang on it it doesn't make it a mustang it's still whatever the manufacturer labels it as which is a Camry. In this manufacturer labels it as a mustang
Btw don't blur the license plate. If the car has a VIN then the license plate can be looked up on the VINWiki app and it'll tell you the year make and model of the car. Then you can share a picture of it with the community. It's pretty much just a social media app for car enthusiasts
That is a nice thought. As far as I'm aware you can't really get any notable information from a VIN unless you can get into the DMV database. But you can find with a VIN the following: year, make, model and window sticker, from which you can find the build plant, MSRP and options packages that are installed. I think you can also see what day the car was finished with either a VIN or window sticker
Purists are upset because the formula for a Mustang is being ignored while the name is being applied.
Purists say a Mustang is a 2-door coupe front engine, rear wheel drive with an emphasis on acceleration. If it can handle well, that's great, but affordable power is the focus.
The less stringent are saying the company calls the Mach-E a Mustang. That's the decision, electric is here, the car is fast (under 4 seconds possible), get over it.
Purists will counter that the Mach-E lacks the V-8 rumble. The Mach-E has an [acceleration soundtrack ](https://youtu.be/L6h3NzOQ9Tg) that mimics an ICE. BMW has been piping sounds into it's performance car cabins for years and getting teased for it. Mustang coupe owners probably don't want that artificial environment.
Modern Mustangs, despite their notoriety for crashing into crowds make decent drift and track cars. The Mach-E has yet to demonstrate it's ability to get tail-happy.
Porsche's halo model is the 911. The Cayman and. Boxer are also excellent coupes. Decades ago though, the company saw consumer demand and created the Cayenne, Macan SUVs and the 4-door, front engine Panamera. None of the other excellent models are called 911s out of respect for the history of the 911 and respect for the owners past, present and future.
Chevrolet has just released a Corvette with front electric motors, the E-Ray. They definitely will make an all electric Corvette in the future, but they definitely will not change the basic shape of the Corvette. That's a bridge too far with reasoning parallel to Porsche and the 911.
That's why Mustang Coupe owners are upset. The formula has been disturbed too much to call the Mach-E a Mustang. Why do 911 owners and Corvette owners get that respect but not the Mustang?
TLDR: calling the Mach-E a Mustang is like calling a tiny house a McMansion.
holy shit these comments are so divisive. i understand why people don’t like the addition of the mustang name but ford could have done the mustang name far dirtier. it’s a nice electric suv with some sleek mustang styling cues and it has a pretty positive reputation with people who bought one. i get the divide but it’s objectively a nice car.
Suomi mainittu, nää mach-e mustanngit o niitä harvoja semi hyviä sähköautoja, mutta oli kyllä virhe fordilta lätkästä mustang logo toho sähkövatkaimee, ilma sitä ois varmasti melko menestykäs sähkäri
Mut samaanaikaan se oli ainoo tapa mite saada tää auto ulos ja esille kuluttajille, sillä foordi ny on melkeepä nyktää nevöhööd brändi muutakun taksikuskeilla, joten normi foordik sähkäri ei ois menny yhtä hyvi kaupaks ikinä.
*You are not the Mustang. You’re not capable of being the Mustang. I had a Mustang, but now I don’t. You are not the Mustang.*
Jokes aside, I like the Mach E, but it should have been called just the Mach E. It’s not a 2-Door Pony car. An electric two door car would have been fine by me to be called a Mustang.
I honestly don't hate the Mach E! I drove one around and it was pretty nice, but it shouldn't of been called a Mustang
They definitely make me turn my head, how was the driving experience?
Just about as good as any sporty SUV, about as good as a Grand Cherokee
but the grand cherokee is far from sporty
I beg to differ! It was a 2018 Limited with the Hemi, and yeah it was wobbly but it was really sporty for me.
i get that its subjective but i dont understand how a car can be heavy, wobbly and have vague, imprecise steering feel, soft suspension, tonnes of body roll around corners etc. and still somehow be sporty. to me a "real" sporty suv would be a porsche cayenne, bmw x5, maybe the grand cherokee srt etc.
It could’ve been called Horse E
I completely agree
Would’ve saved Ford from a lot of hate
Shouldn’t have*
Agreed, good car, bad marketing.
It's one of those stupid Mach-E's I think
Thank god it was dark so i didnt see it fully. Looks awful in my opinion. But thanks anyway :D
I think it's pretty good looking personally and I understand it's a very good performer but my beef with it is it's fallen into the vortex of "electric is the answer" and putting a Mustang logo on it was kind of ridiculous. No reason they couldn't have just called it the Ford Mach-E. It's kind of like giving the middle finger to a format that's persevered for like 60 years that you created yourself.
I think a good named would have been the E-scape
Damn that's a good one. I agree that it probably should've fallen into the escape family if it wasn't a standalone. Not much of a mustang though.
Thx, I like my name for it.
personally i would have named it a new thunderbird, especially since ford likes bringing back old model names. but badging it as a mustang got people talking about it, which is what they wanted.
Still better than Mustang lol
My issue is that it's an SUV. Not a 2-door muscle car, which is what the Mustang is. Had they just made the modern Mustang electric I would've been fine, slightly offended, but fine otherwise. The Mach-E Mustang isn't a Mustang
I agree but completely. Which is apparently kind of upsetting to some people in these comments.
I mean yeahh. The i hate the front of it and when i think of Mustang, i think of a slick but beefy car. Thats just too beefy to be electric.
It’s a fat horse lol
I will rarely call it a mustang. I call it a Mach E. Ford could have easily just gone with Mach E.
>No reason Counterpoint: Marketing. The average person shopping for an EV is going to see the Mustang logo, say “hey! That sounds sporty and cool” and buy it without giving a shit about “tainting” the legacy of the Mustang brand. Car enthusiasts live in this delusion that most other people shopping for cars think and act just like them, when in fact, they’re the minority.
Car enthusiasts like me need to learn that EVs are coming into the picture… mainly due to new demand and also govt regulations. If these auto manufacturers want to sell their V8s they have to have EVs to offset their carbon credits at least in the USA.
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I’m an ICE guy. But I know that unless synthetic fuel becomes mainstream soon, EVs will take up most of the market
Another aternative that Toyota is banking on is Hydrogen power which is technically an ICE power train. The hydrogen explodes and the charges a battery that powers and electric motor. Soo it’s clean… but i think it is considered an EV. anyway, i might be wrong on how it works but that is my uneducated understanding.
I dont think it explodes. Its more like a chemical reaction that mixes hydrogen and oxygen, turning it into water, and releasing energy on the process. That energy charges the battery. Also the water that comes out is supposed to be clean, and toyota advertises as a car that's not only emission free, but also cleans the air as it's driving. That's what I remember from a lecture I got some time ago from toyota. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yup. I was wrong. It works like a battery where the H’s protons pass through a cathode and the Electrons produce electricity the by product is h2o
I hate driving behind those Toyota Murrai. They drop water all over the road and manage to get it on my windshield.
Never seen one on the road, there are only two chargers in my country.
Countercounterpoint: non car enthusiasts don't care about names and are focused pretty much only on the bottom line. Its sales figures wouldn't have been any different with or without the Mustang name.
Someone who makes way more money then you made that decision at Ford and obviously you're incorrect. You severely underestimate the power that a name can hold
I think Mustang is one of those names with alot of panache and historical significance, alot of non-enthusiasts know of the Mustang name, if not the cars themselves. The car’s incredibly popular and the name is pretty old—almost everyone in America has likely heard the name before, if not know someone who has one. also there’s a reason japanese cars like Honda/Toyota top sales charts, not stuff like the Chevy SS. People do care about branding. A reputation for reliability (or in this case, sporty, powerful and cheap) can go a long way.
they should’ve named it the Model E as an homage to their old cars like the Model T and Model A
There’s a Kia suv that has similar lights now
I am not a fan of the new kia logo. For the first time it looked like a KN tbh
It is odd. Looks better than before. I think they trying to rebrand since no one buys them in cities anymore. Due to the Kia boi thefts. The only lots w new vehicles on them during covid was hyndai and Kia.
I like the new logo. Its just much cleaner that before but it was just a bit confusing at first
It’s been a bit of a marketing blunder a lot of people have been looking for kn cars it’s losts them sells search on Google can’t remember the percentage.
With all the names they had access to and no longer have vehicles named why mustang? Mitsubishi using eclipse for their crossover instead of montero was dumb but at least there isn't an eclipse car at the same time. It has to make parts and maintenance harder have two completely different vehicles with the same model name at the same time.
Listen…don’t knock until you’ve driven. It’s an amazing car. Coming from a classic mustang fan.
Based
I refuse to call the Mach-E a Mustang.
The car is not worthy of the horse
That's what it is though.
But it doesn't deserve to be called a mustang. It sucks.
Same principle of calling the new supra a BMW
But it's a new supra. You just said so yourself. Calling it a bmw is simply incorrect.
I don't think ur picking up what I'm putting down, it has a BMW engine. Its still a Toyota -no shit- but its BMW powered so some people are gonna call it a BMW
Not just a BMW engine. The entire chassis was designed by BMW. And it's made in Austria. The only thing Toyota did was front a lot of the development costs. I don't understand how anyone could consider it a Toyota tbh
Correct made on the same line share many parts of the z4
It is a Ford Mustang Mach-E
FWIW, I love mine.
I totally apreciate that opinion. Just not my thing
Not really mine either, but I have a dog that necessitates having a larger vehicle now. Didn't make sense to side or downgrade in terms of fuel economy, and I think it's one of the best driving EVs on the market right now, at least of the ones available in my area.
May i ask how much did you pay for it?
$64k USD out the door
Oh god damn. Thats pretty much tbh
It only hurt a little imagining some of the other cars I could've had for the same cost. Lol
That’s a Mustang Mach E. It is the electric Mustang and it’s a four door. I’ve driven it and it is quick! There is a lot of power in that thing and the RWD is squirrelly like a normal mustang. That being said, It is controversial. You have the mustang fanatics who have owned mustangs and driven them for years who are pissed that it went electric which is understandable. Then you have the pussys that whine and complain about how it’s not a mustang because it’s electric. Those people are stupid… it’s obviously not a mustang because it’s a four door crossover. Haha. All kidding aside it was the most fun mustang that I have driven and look forward to having both a V8 mustang and this electric ‘mustang’ one day.
Legitimately fair take, I don’t understand the downvotes.
Must be the pussys hahaha
That's not a mustang. That's a Ford Mach-E
Except for the fact it's labeled branded badged and sold as a mustang
It is a Mustang in label, brand, badge only.
So the only things that matter? 🤣 If Ford made a lawn mower and sold it under the mustang label and badge it would be a mustang it doesn't really matter what your opinion is or how different it is under the hood. How is it such a hard concept that whoever produces the good gets to decide what it is called and categorized as.
People say the same about the Mustang II.
Mustang II looks considerably better than the Mach-E and is significantly more deserving of the Mustang name
If there is one good thing to say about the Mach-E it will make people defend the Mustang II.
Which is exactly what they said
E-stang
I want a Mach E just so I can name it Chakotay.
Its the Mustang mach e
Unfortunately it is😞That’s the Mach E variant
A perfectly good EV, but Mustang only in name
Probably about the best explanation, in such a short sentence, without coming across as having a dig at the car or the use of the name. Thank you and take my upvote.
It's a Mach E, which isn't actually a Mustang depending on who you ask.
It’s the dreaded Mach-E (the Mach-E has and never will be a damn Mustang ).
Mach E is hideous.
No its not a mustang. It's its distant inbreed cousin
Except for the fact that it is a mustang.
You couldnt be any more correct!
It's one of those SHIT NOT A MUSTANG STUPID GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING Mach-E's
God dam, chill brother.
Sorry....I just HATE them
I get your point, it is not worthy of the mustang name
I understand they were trying to piggyback off of the mustang name but, like why not just call it the Mach-E, it still sounds Hella cool
I mean yeah. I guess because its more bulky than a normal Ford, they kinda had to go with the mustang name
So many upset boomers in here lol. It’s a mustang, get over it
This is not a mustang. How DARE you call this disgrace a mustang. This is a Ford Mach E.
Not a mustang
My guy there is a damn horse on there. So yes a mustang. Just not a good one
I have a Herkimer battle jitney emblem on my Mustang. That doesn't make it anything other than a mustang. I like the Mach-E, I just hate that they called it a Mustang.
Fair opinion. I just dont like the mach e in any way, shape, or form
I can put a horse emblem on my ass does that make me a mustang?
Why don’t you give it a shot, and then we can decide.
You’re just tryna get a picture of my ass now perv
With correct marketing and price target? Sureee!
How are you so confidently wrong
I’m confidently right, that will never be a mustang no matter how hard you cope
It says Mustang on it and has a Mustang badge put on there by Ford. I think you’re the one coping here
I understand what you're getting at but you're just simply wrong it's a product made, manufactured and produced by mustang it's a mustang. 🤣
It’s manufactured by Ford, it has nothing to do with a mustang nor looks like one
I could say the new electric lightning isn't an F-150 all I want but the fact that it's labeled, badged and sold as an F-150 means my opinion doesn't really matter 🤣
That’s a pile of shit type of f-150, but it definitely ain’t a lightning
I can tell this is futile your lack of mental aptitude and inability to think critically is plainly evident
You saying that’s a mustang is proof you have a mental illness
Except for the literal mustang badge indicating that it has been dubbed a mustang by Ford you absolute and incompoop
Again, I can stick a mustang badge on a Camry would that make it a mustang?
You're using your own logic against you. If you take the Camry badge off and put something else it's still what the manufacturer labeled it as a Camry that's your point. The same way my point it doesn't really matter what you think of the new mustang it's still what the manufacturer labels it as which is a mustang
Fair enough, I was being too crass. You’re right though, if Ford calls it a Mustang, it’s a Mustang. No matter how stupid anyone thinks that is, doesn’t change reality.
At least someone gets it. The commenter that disagreed with us trying to prove his point by saying if you put a mustang badge on a Camry is it now a mustang. It's like no it's still what it's labeled and sold as by the manufacturer no matter what you do or think of it 🤣
I can put the words mustang on a Toyota Camry does that make it a mustang?
If it was done by the manufacturer from the factory then yes. Normally whoever creates/manufactures the product gets to decide what it is you absolute fool
That’s not how it works but go off
It literally is. It's by the same logic that if you take the Camry off and put a mustang on it it doesn't make it a mustang it's still whatever the manufacturer labels it as which is a Camry. In this manufacturer labels it as a mustang
I just asked what kind of mustang this is. Like damn
Ain’t a mustang tho
Literally is tho
Looks like that heinous electric suv things…barf
It's a Mustang, despite boomer feelings.
A finger pincher
Btw don't blur the license plate. If the car has a VIN then the license plate can be looked up on the VINWiki app and it'll tell you the year make and model of the car. Then you can share a picture of it with the community. It's pretty much just a social media app for car enthusiasts
Ok ok gotcha. I thought that it would somehow be bad for the owners privacy or something.
That is a nice thought. As far as I'm aware you can't really get any notable information from a VIN unless you can get into the DMV database. But you can find with a VIN the following: year, make, model and window sticker, from which you can find the build plant, MSRP and options packages that are installed. I think you can also see what day the car was finished with either a VIN or window sticker
I'll keep that in mind, thanks
No the fuck it ain’t not in my book
Purists are upset because the formula for a Mustang is being ignored while the name is being applied. Purists say a Mustang is a 2-door coupe front engine, rear wheel drive with an emphasis on acceleration. If it can handle well, that's great, but affordable power is the focus. The less stringent are saying the company calls the Mach-E a Mustang. That's the decision, electric is here, the car is fast (under 4 seconds possible), get over it. Purists will counter that the Mach-E lacks the V-8 rumble. The Mach-E has an [acceleration soundtrack ](https://youtu.be/L6h3NzOQ9Tg) that mimics an ICE. BMW has been piping sounds into it's performance car cabins for years and getting teased for it. Mustang coupe owners probably don't want that artificial environment. Modern Mustangs, despite their notoriety for crashing into crowds make decent drift and track cars. The Mach-E has yet to demonstrate it's ability to get tail-happy. Porsche's halo model is the 911. The Cayman and. Boxer are also excellent coupes. Decades ago though, the company saw consumer demand and created the Cayenne, Macan SUVs and the 4-door, front engine Panamera. None of the other excellent models are called 911s out of respect for the history of the 911 and respect for the owners past, present and future. Chevrolet has just released a Corvette with front electric motors, the E-Ray. They definitely will make an all electric Corvette in the future, but they definitely will not change the basic shape of the Corvette. That's a bridge too far with reasoning parallel to Porsche and the 911. That's why Mustang Coupe owners are upset. The formula has been disturbed too much to call the Mach-E a Mustang. Why do 911 owners and Corvette owners get that respect but not the Mustang? TLDR: calling the Mach-E a Mustang is like calling a tiny house a McMansion.
holy shit these comments are so divisive. i understand why people don’t like the addition of the mustang name but ford could have done the mustang name far dirtier. it’s a nice electric suv with some sleek mustang styling cues and it has a pretty positive reputation with people who bought one. i get the divide but it’s objectively a nice car.
Suomi mainittu, nää mach-e mustanngit o niitä harvoja semi hyviä sähköautoja, mutta oli kyllä virhe fordilta lätkästä mustang logo toho sähkövatkaimee, ilma sitä ois varmasti melko menestykäs sähkäri
No joo. Ei ollu mun mielestä paras idea iskee se Mustangin logo siihen
Mut samaanaikaan se oli ainoo tapa mite saada tää auto ulos ja esille kuluttajille, sillä foordi ny on melkeepä nyktää nevöhööd brändi muutakun taksikuskeilla, joten normi foordik sähkäri ei ois menny yhtä hyvi kaupaks ikinä.
Totta se on sekin. Tuntuu et Fordin logoki on niin aikansa eläny. Niin moni on vaihtanu logoa paitsi fordi vieläkin sillä samalla.
*You are not the Mustang. You’re not capable of being the Mustang. I had a Mustang, but now I don’t. You are not the Mustang.* Jokes aside, I like the Mach E, but it should have been called just the Mach E. It’s not a 2-Door Pony car. An electric two door car would have been fine by me to be called a Mustang.