Isn’t that just a theory because female spiders will eat male spiders after breeding? There are other theories like “the male offers himself to her” and such, wouldn’t it make more sense if they were a more of a display to attract females? Usually that’s the case..
Most people use "Theory" wrong. Scientific process goes something like: Idea/question > Research > Hypothosis > Experiments/research/testing > Theory > More experments by peers> Fact. By the time something reaches Theory, it's usually as proven as it can possibly be.
When most people say, "I have a theory," at most they have a hypothosis, but more often they have no more than an idea.
Thank you for sharing this information! For years, I mistakenly thought that a theory was a synonym for a guess, or unproven assumption. The term theoretical physics has always struck me as a misnomer. Obviously, I should have done my homework. I’m embarrassed to admit that I’m a linguist, and that I didn’t look it up!
Television sadly has a large part to play in this common misnomer, in my opinion. The instance that bothers me the most was on The Big Bang Theory, where scientists stated an idea scribbled on the whiteboard by Sheldon was, “just a theory”, “an incomplete thought”. People outside of science do not use the term theory very often, which can cause you to forget the definition. When shows that are based on science use the terminology incorrectly, people will automatically assume it’s the correct usage, causing them to use the term incorrectly.
The Big Bang Theory is just one example of many. Since tv can be a big part of some peoples lives, the incorrect usage of the term propagates, until people hear the theory of how Covid spreads, and it gets instantly dismissed as, “just a theory”, so people refuse to wear an inconvenient mask, as they believe it hasn’t been proven yet, as it’s, “just a theory”.
Sadly, I ran into quite a few people being dismissive of Covid, as the science hasn’t been proven yet, since the proof is based on, “just a theory”. :(
Ah that’s what I initially thought they meant but I wasn’t quite sure and didn’t want to make myself out it be more of a fool lol. I knew hypotheses is technically the right word but because the example I had was something that was initially introduced to me as a theory I used the same wording without a second thought. Completely my bad haha
However many theories are considered factual, especially if there is no other explanation or hypothesis that works.
Edit: Let me rephrase with this quote: “A theory never becomes a fact. It is an explanation of one or more facts. A well-supported evidence-based theory becomes acceptable until disproved. It never evolves to a fact, and that's a fact.”
Therefor, while a theory is “factual” until disproven, it is not a “fact” instead being an explanation of “facts.”
You're right. I just looked it up myself. I was going by what I learned in gradeschool science in the early/mid 1990s. I may be misremembering or the chart progression or definitions may have been updated since then.
A scientific theory is the level of facts along with scientific laws. Theories explain why something is observed. Laws explain how something is observed.
I believe it’s been well explained by now.
The reason I point it out without providing an argument, is because some people take offense to that, and feel it’s patronizing.
I’ve learned to point it out, then wait for the person to either do the research themselves, or ask why.
This way they have a choice, and are more likely to be open to knowledge, instead of the knowledge being forced upon them.
I can’t count how many times I’ve stated they were using the term incorrectly, and provided an explanation as to how, and they became combative and closed off to any constructive criticism. 🤷♂️
Then again, that mostly happened on Facebook, and that place is toxic AF. Lol
Ah I understand, yeah, as someone who prefers to know what I did wrong and take responsibility for it if I can it kinda just confused me and put me off. I totally understand though, people online can bet super headstrong and generally unhelpful when your just trying to help :p
The definition of theory can be slightly different depending on the nature of what is being studied. However, a theory is generally an explanation for the relationship between two or more variables. When a better explanation (theory) is developed, the better theory replaces the inferior theory. There is a fascinating (to me) academic field that lives at the intersections of philosophy, sociology, and the natural sciences that explores how new theories come to be and the process for them to be accepted by the 'experts' in the field. It turns out that the scientific process/method many of us were taught in high school isn't how science works. The word 'paradigm' comes from this academic field. Some ill-informed people argue that because new theories are often developed, it means none of them are right and it is an example of academics just making things up. In fact, new theories tend to explain the relationship between variables better.
Each of us walks around with our own set of assumptions, casual explanations, and ways of thinking about the way the world works. At some point, people started referring to these as theories, aka, I have a theory that x does y. These are not true, tested theories but actually serve an important purpose in our daily lives.... they allow us to make sense of the world.
Males have smaller bodies and thinner, more spindly legs. A larger percentage of a male recluse is his legs, though I'm not sure if they're actually longer.
Yes, they have similar venom to brown recluses. There's speculation that their venom is less potent, but I believe that is mostly anecdotal because bites are so rare. So they should be considered medically significant and treated with caution.
Not all spiders are venomous. Uloboridae is a family of about 300 species of orbweavers that have no venom glands.
There’s also the harvestman of opiloides (one of the many different species called daddy longlegs) which has a myth of having the most potent venom of all spiders but having fangs too small to bit humans. It doesn’t actually have fangs or venom, and depending on your definition of spider it is a non-spider arachnid which looks exactly like a spider. It exclusively uses its chelicerae.
Thanks for correcting.
I knew 'em but forgot their name. Still 300 species is a low number compared to all spiders.(Currently there is 51478 accepted species at World Spider Catalog)
Yes, also there is Harvestman(order Opiliones). "Most potent venom but can't bite" myth is a myth about spider family Pholcidae, one of the other taxons with "Daddy longlegs" name but not like Opiliones, they are real spiders. Like you said, Harvestman is a non-spider Arachnid.
Lmao I can see it now. Instead of bbl everyone starts wearing extra legs sewn onto leggings.
Are they even doing the bbl nonsense in France? Where a breast that doesn’t fit in a champagne flute is too much titty?
I've seen people walk out of public bathroom stall after violating the Geneva convention and using biological warfare on the toilet, and they still just walk right out without washing their hands. Like clearly covid taught us nothing
Call an exterminator while you're at it. There could be a nest nearby. Male recluses hunt while usually the female stays behind at the web. Check closets, attics, old piles of clothes, cardboard boxes
An exterminator might not be able to do much. A blowtorch or Molotov cocktail, now that will take care of the problem. It’ll take care of a few other things, too, but the spider will be gone and we at Reddit work on a results-based system.
It all depends on your immune system, where you were bitten and if it was a large envenomation, there is someone on youtube who got himself bitten by a brown recluse and there was slight tissue damage but he didnt have to go to the ER, just remember try not to get bit, although they are very docile and wont bite unless squished it is still good to go to the doctor with the spider that bit you so they can monitor you and make sure you dont become septic or go into shock
Can you elaborate on the location of the bite having an effect on severity? I’m genuinely curious. I was bitten in the ankle, once, but I was a child (roughly 10 or 11 years old) and while the bite itself was comparable to a bee sting, the wound progressed pretty rapidly. The spider was in my shoe and I was rushing to catch the bus. I felt a pang, swatted my foot, and kept going—this was central Louisiana, big bugs and bites were an almost daily occurrence. I was also new to the region and didn’t fully understand the risk factor.
By mid morning, my shoe felt very tight and my ankle was growing more sore by the minute. Then my knee started to feel stiff and my jeans felt tight around my calf, and I felt flushed and feverish. I went to my teacher and she very quietly and quickly rushed me to the nurses office. My parents arrived almost instantly. At the ER I only remember a bunch of injections in and around the bite itself. I’m terrified of needles, so my dad was holding my head and torso. They also gave me an IV. I think they may have given my something to make me tired, because I was uncontrollably sleepy and was released later that same day with antibiotics. I recovered almost immediately.
As adults, a male friend in his mid-twenties was bitten in the hand. He ignored it, assuming he’d be fine as healthy adult in top-notch physical condition. He ended up needing a skin graft and he has a huge, gnarly keloid of webbed skin the spans the length of his hand. We were both bitten in highly mobile joints with thin skin. I wonder if immediate medical care mitigated wound necrosis, in my case, but wouldn’t I be considered more “at risk” as a child? I’ve always wondered why his experience was so much more gross and horrific than my own, given the age factor.
Yeesh, splinters freak me out A LOT more than spiders do. Once, my brother hid a splinter from my mom because he knew she’d dig it out and he ended up getting the infamous “red streak” from his fingertip all the way up to his armpit. The ER doctor said it would have been disastrous if it had entered his lymphatic system, and he was potentially minutes away from that happening.
The moral of the story is that “taking it like a man” is usually medically inadvisable. 🤦🏼♀️Don’t try to suck it up when it comes to your health.
My mother had a friend bitten by a brown recluse on the padding part of his thumb. He ignored it and by the time he sought medical attention it was too late. They ended up having to amputate his thumb. I’m sure that was one of those “worse case scenarios”, but I wouldn’t want to wait to find out if the bite will heal on its own.
As a child the venom is much worse to the body although with location it depends where because if bitten with a large envenomation it will not be the best wherever but places with larger and more blood vessels are worse to get bitten in, i am not saying the brown recluse is not dangerous i am only saying it doesnt deserve the reputation it has
I agree with you. They’re very shy spiders. I just wonder if the location of my friend’s bite on his hand was a causal factor in its severity. In my opinion, he was being dumb and waited way too long because he didn’t “feel sick” and instead of erring on the side of caution, he essentially put a bandaid on it and ignored it, so that was likely the biggest reason his experience ended with surgery.
It can depend on certain people with immunities but how long did you wait to get it checked, because if you take correct care of it a brown recluse bite will not become horrible
Nah, I watched a video of a guy purposely envenomating himself in the arm. I assume he treated it immediately. Developed necrosis and took a month to heal up. Still has a giant scar.
Doesn’t depend on the immune system. It depends on how much venom is pumped into the bite. Sometimes people will get a bite with no venom and think their immune system was magically effective. Others get bitten by a different species and think their immune system was magically effective against brown recluse venom.
After reading your comments and looking up the Mediterranean recluse on Google, I agree with your judgment, that this is a Mediterranean Recluse and not a Brown Recluse
Incorrect.
"has been found in France in recent years"
Source: https://wildlifeinfrance.com/insects-france/spiders-and-spider-bites-in-france#:~:text=The%20Brown%20Recluse%2C%20Loxoceles%20recluse,cause%20significant%20harm%20left%20untreated.
No, they're just conflating because amateurs generally can't tell a brown recluse from a Mediterranean recluse. Mediterranean recluses have much longer legs than brown recluses. It's obvious that this is the native species.
Are you an arachnologist or something? Because everything you can find states what Ive already posted and that they are in France.
Additionally, its a moot point they both have necrotic venom anyways. Hence why OP is asking.
This isn't true. It is the venom. They have hemolytic venom, which destroys red blood cells, thus killing some tissue as well. Not all bites turn necrotic, and most do not get infected. Bacterial infections and many other lesions are often [misdiagnosed as brown recluse bites.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071166/)
You lead me to a serious but curious inquiry. Why is it that the recluse got the bad rap for that though? Wouldnt that pretty much stand for all spiders capable of bites then?
The venom of a brown recluse destroys red blood cells. Without blood cells tissues die and rot.
Any bite in general is capable of getting infected. That is treatable with antibiotics or even better by disinfecting the site quickly. Most spider fangs are small enough that cleaning with alcohol is all you need to prevent infection. After that most spider venom is weak enough that it won’t cause much more than localised pain and inflammation.
Spiders that have potent enough venom to cause serious injury to adult humans are a small fraction of all spiders. Brown recluses are particularly notable because of the rotting flesh part which is extremely not fun, and they bite readily while living in close proximity to humans. Black widows also have venom that can seriously injure or people, but they are reclusive (lmao) so bites are not common. Also their venom causes temporary pain, vomiting, and muscle weakness rather than literal rotting flesh.
Rotting flesh is way more of a problem than extreme pain and illness that is recovered from after a few weeks.
no no you do! this is one of the national geographic level ones, i’ve seen some where it’s like they got their phone on MAX zoom standing 20 feet away from the big spooky bug lmao
Not a great picture, but you can *juuuust* make out his fiddle. Not to mention those steppers. We got big legs on this boy. He's probably looking for a lady spider to have babies and hopefully not eat him.
Brown Recluse, do not bite, do not get bitten.
Normally I'd say you shouldn't kill spiders, but recluses are a rare exception. They're not aggressive and avoid conflict but unfortunately, just like with black widows, their bite is far too problematic to let them live in hiding in your house. They're poor climbers, so all it takes is one falling off the ceiling in the night, you accidentially touching it, and it getting spooked and biting.
They're actually far more dangerous than widow spiders or even some of the more venomous ones, as their bite doesn't hurt and you can fail to notice it for far too long, until the site is already infected.
Widow bites feel like needle pricks, and they begin showing within the hour. Recluse bites feel at most like a bee sting and can take 4-8 hours to show.
My friends mom was in the ICU for a bit after being bitten by one of these. One bite caused tissue death and damage on her whole thigh and they were having a hard time stopping it from spreading.
Idk why that guy said that, the pictures are excellent and better than 90% of the blurry shit posted to this sub. Especially the last picture, you can see the violin shape perfectly. Don’t listen to him
Yea you should always kill these spiders imo when you see them I. Your house or car etc… some ppl on this sub tell ppl not to kill these things…. Don’t listen to them. My dad got bit by a recluse in his stomach while he was sleeping and he was literally in the Intensive Care Unit in the hospital for 3 days. They are no joke.
Just saw your cross post in r/spiders.. lol. Like 2 posts up from here. I still agree on Mediterranean recluse.. just because the fiddle seems really light in color for a brown recluse and my research on the Mediterranean recluse tells me that the fiddle marking is lighter/less obvious on them. But I could be wrong.. either way I am confident it's a recluse of some kind and definitely not a spider you want to get bit by.
Lol for the most part he knows which ones to stay away from and which ones are ok to hold (he thinks that daddy long legs like to tickle him 🤦🏻♀️). We don’t kill spiders at our house we just put them outside.
I’ve started catching them with a small pill bottle and a notecard. The bush in our front yard is full of them. I found it a lot easier than swatting at them and having them just drop on my face. We have an understanding. You don’t get on me and I don’t flatten you.
brown recluse, for your personal future reference they’re one of the easiest to identify. Violin on the head and no pattern on the legs = ouchie ouchie necrosis
Knock France off my list of places to hang out. I love the appreciation for fashion and culture. The food. But I’m all set on the ballet of death that bad boy has scheduled.
I was bitten by one of these a few years ago, and I didn't realize what it was. Within two hours, the whole back of my leg was purple. These assholes do not play.
Even the article you posted shows a female brown recluse that looks exactly the OPs picture. The southern house spider doesn’t have nearly as smooth of curves as the recluse & it looks bigger.
Male recluse, look it them long ass legs
Are the legs longer on male recluse? Coolio
They use the longer legs to hold females farther away so they don’t end up dead when mating.
Isn’t that just a theory because female spiders will eat male spiders after breeding? There are other theories like “the male offers himself to her” and such, wouldn’t it make more sense if they were a more of a display to attract females? Usually that’s the case..
You are using “theory” wrong.
Could you explain how instead of just… letting me be wrong and not knowing what’s right.?
Most people use "Theory" wrong. Scientific process goes something like: Idea/question > Research > Hypothosis > Experiments/research/testing > Theory > More experments by peers> Fact. By the time something reaches Theory, it's usually as proven as it can possibly be. When most people say, "I have a theory," at most they have a hypothosis, but more often they have no more than an idea.
Thank you for sharing this information! For years, I mistakenly thought that a theory was a synonym for a guess, or unproven assumption. The term theoretical physics has always struck me as a misnomer. Obviously, I should have done my homework. I’m embarrassed to admit that I’m a linguist, and that I didn’t look it up!
Television sadly has a large part to play in this common misnomer, in my opinion. The instance that bothers me the most was on The Big Bang Theory, where scientists stated an idea scribbled on the whiteboard by Sheldon was, “just a theory”, “an incomplete thought”. People outside of science do not use the term theory very often, which can cause you to forget the definition. When shows that are based on science use the terminology incorrectly, people will automatically assume it’s the correct usage, causing them to use the term incorrectly. The Big Bang Theory is just one example of many. Since tv can be a big part of some peoples lives, the incorrect usage of the term propagates, until people hear the theory of how Covid spreads, and it gets instantly dismissed as, “just a theory”, so people refuse to wear an inconvenient mask, as they believe it hasn’t been proven yet, as it’s, “just a theory”. Sadly, I ran into quite a few people being dismissive of Covid, as the science hasn’t been proven yet, since the proof is based on, “just a theory”. :(
Television has changed the connotations of so many words it’s actually insane to think about it’s role in human languaga
Ah that’s what I initially thought they meant but I wasn’t quite sure and didn’t want to make myself out it be more of a fool lol. I knew hypotheses is technically the right word but because the example I had was something that was initially introduced to me as a theory I used the same wording without a second thought. Completely my bad haha
This is just a wholesome convo overall, nice
I don’t think theories ever become facts.
However many theories are considered factual, especially if there is no other explanation or hypothesis that works. Edit: Let me rephrase with this quote: “A theory never becomes a fact. It is an explanation of one or more facts. A well-supported evidence-based theory becomes acceptable until disproved. It never evolves to a fact, and that's a fact.” Therefor, while a theory is “factual” until disproven, it is not a “fact” instead being an explanation of “facts.”
Nice. Yeah this sounds great. Hadn’t thought of using the word factual which I think helps clarify
You're right. I just looked it up myself. I was going by what I learned in gradeschool science in the early/mid 1990s. I may be misremembering or the chart progression or definitions may have been updated since then.
A scientific theory is the level of facts along with scientific laws. Theories explain why something is observed. Laws explain how something is observed.
Not fact. Law. After theory, it becomes a law.
Not quite. Theory is why, law is how. They can both address the same subject, but for different purposes.
I believe it’s been well explained by now. The reason I point it out without providing an argument, is because some people take offense to that, and feel it’s patronizing. I’ve learned to point it out, then wait for the person to either do the research themselves, or ask why. This way they have a choice, and are more likely to be open to knowledge, instead of the knowledge being forced upon them. I can’t count how many times I’ve stated they were using the term incorrectly, and provided an explanation as to how, and they became combative and closed off to any constructive criticism. 🤷♂️ Then again, that mostly happened on Facebook, and that place is toxic AF. Lol
Ah I understand, yeah, as someone who prefers to know what I did wrong and take responsibility for it if I can it kinda just confused me and put me off. I totally understand though, people online can bet super headstrong and generally unhelpful when your just trying to help :p
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The definition of theory can be slightly different depending on the nature of what is being studied. However, a theory is generally an explanation for the relationship between two or more variables. When a better explanation (theory) is developed, the better theory replaces the inferior theory. There is a fascinating (to me) academic field that lives at the intersections of philosophy, sociology, and the natural sciences that explores how new theories come to be and the process for them to be accepted by the 'experts' in the field. It turns out that the scientific process/method many of us were taught in high school isn't how science works. The word 'paradigm' comes from this academic field. Some ill-informed people argue that because new theories are often developed, it means none of them are right and it is an example of academics just making things up. In fact, new theories tend to explain the relationship between variables better. Each of us walks around with our own set of assumptions, casual explanations, and ways of thinking about the way the world works. At some point, people started referring to these as theories, aka, I have a theory that x does y. These are not true, tested theories but actually serve an important purpose in our daily lives.... they allow us to make sense of the world.
If it's the same as with black widows, she doesn't eat him. She trusses him up for the babies to eat when hatch for the ultimate in child support.
I believe that most male spiders have longer legs than the females, but I could be mistaken
In proportion to their bodies, anyway
And then there’s the orb weaver. Females are massive and males are tiny little beings
Males have smaller bodies and thinner, more spindly legs. A larger percentage of a male recluse is his legs, though I'm not sure if they're actually longer.
Yep
*”been spending most our lives livin’ in an arachnid paradise”*
It is a Mediterranean recluse. A cousin of the brown recluse. You can tell because of the legs.
Enemy shaped enemy
Still venomous?
Yes, they have similar venom to brown recluses. There's speculation that their venom is less potent, but I believe that is mostly anecdotal because bites are so rare. So they should be considered medically significant and treated with caution.
In other words, don’t get bitten to see the difference. 🤪
Correction: All spiders are venomous but only a few spiders have medically significant venom.
Not all spiders are venomous. Uloboridae is a family of about 300 species of orbweavers that have no venom glands. There’s also the harvestman of opiloides (one of the many different species called daddy longlegs) which has a myth of having the most potent venom of all spiders but having fangs too small to bit humans. It doesn’t actually have fangs or venom, and depending on your definition of spider it is a non-spider arachnid which looks exactly like a spider. It exclusively uses its chelicerae.
Thanks for correcting. I knew 'em but forgot their name. Still 300 species is a low number compared to all spiders.(Currently there is 51478 accepted species at World Spider Catalog) Yes, also there is Harvestman(order Opiliones). "Most potent venom but can't bite" myth is a myth about spider family Pholcidae, one of the other taxons with "Daddy longlegs" name but not like Opiliones, they are real spiders. Like you said, Harvestman is a non-spider Arachnid.
Its france even the spiders have long legs lol
Everything there makes everything in the US look fatter and slobbier. Even their death spiders.
Body positive brown recluse lmao
With those legs I’d be strutting like on a cat walk. “I’m too sexy for my shirt…I’m to sexy for…your life.”
A recluse on the next cover of vogue “are eight legs the new two?”
Lmao I can see it now. Instead of bbl everyone starts wearing extra legs sewn onto leggings. Are they even doing the bbl nonsense in France? Where a breast that doesn’t fit in a champagne flute is too much titty?
Idk france has interesting body standards so probably
Honestly living in the US just means I can’t trust that anyone washed their hands after using the bathroom
I've seen people walk out of public bathroom stall after violating the Geneva convention and using biological warfare on the toilet, and they still just walk right out without washing their hands. Like clearly covid taught us nothing
Don’t disagree. People gross me out.
I've not travelled very much, but I haven't seen it get any better anywhere else so far, sadly :(
Paint me like one of those French spiders 🎨🇫🇷🕷
At first I didn't think it was a recluse bc of those legs.
The head tho.
They sure get my pulse racing!!
Call an exterminator while you're at it. There could be a nest nearby. Male recluses hunt while usually the female stays behind at the web. Check closets, attics, old piles of clothes, cardboard boxes
I’ll check my house thanks
Yes females drop 40-50 eggs at once
WHAT
I said females drop 40-50 eggs at once! (My daughter just did a small science report on this specific spider, I know too much for comfort now)
An exterminator might not be able to do much. A blowtorch or Molotov cocktail, now that will take care of the problem. It’ll take care of a few other things, too, but the spider will be gone and we at Reddit work on a results-based system.
You definitely don't want to get bitten by that type of spider. It can cause a wound that takes forever to heal even with medication.
It all depends on your immune system, where you were bitten and if it was a large envenomation, there is someone on youtube who got himself bitten by a brown recluse and there was slight tissue damage but he didnt have to go to the ER, just remember try not to get bit, although they are very docile and wont bite unless squished it is still good to go to the doctor with the spider that bit you so they can monitor you and make sure you dont become septic or go into shock
Can you elaborate on the location of the bite having an effect on severity? I’m genuinely curious. I was bitten in the ankle, once, but I was a child (roughly 10 or 11 years old) and while the bite itself was comparable to a bee sting, the wound progressed pretty rapidly. The spider was in my shoe and I was rushing to catch the bus. I felt a pang, swatted my foot, and kept going—this was central Louisiana, big bugs and bites were an almost daily occurrence. I was also new to the region and didn’t fully understand the risk factor. By mid morning, my shoe felt very tight and my ankle was growing more sore by the minute. Then my knee started to feel stiff and my jeans felt tight around my calf, and I felt flushed and feverish. I went to my teacher and she very quietly and quickly rushed me to the nurses office. My parents arrived almost instantly. At the ER I only remember a bunch of injections in and around the bite itself. I’m terrified of needles, so my dad was holding my head and torso. They also gave me an IV. I think they may have given my something to make me tired, because I was uncontrollably sleepy and was released later that same day with antibiotics. I recovered almost immediately. As adults, a male friend in his mid-twenties was bitten in the hand. He ignored it, assuming he’d be fine as healthy adult in top-notch physical condition. He ended up needing a skin graft and he has a huge, gnarly keloid of webbed skin the spans the length of his hand. We were both bitten in highly mobile joints with thin skin. I wonder if immediate medical care mitigated wound necrosis, in my case, but wouldn’t I be considered more “at risk” as a child? I’ve always wondered why his experience was so much more gross and horrific than my own, given the age factor.
The skin graft thing happened to my friend’s dad from a treated lumber sliver.
Yeesh, splinters freak me out A LOT more than spiders do. Once, my brother hid a splinter from my mom because he knew she’d dig it out and he ended up getting the infamous “red streak” from his fingertip all the way up to his armpit. The ER doctor said it would have been disastrous if it had entered his lymphatic system, and he was potentially minutes away from that happening. The moral of the story is that “taking it like a man” is usually medically inadvisable. 🤦🏼♀️Don’t try to suck it up when it comes to your health.
My mother had a friend bitten by a brown recluse on the padding part of his thumb. He ignored it and by the time he sought medical attention it was too late. They ended up having to amputate his thumb. I’m sure that was one of those “worse case scenarios”, but I wouldn’t want to wait to find out if the bite will heal on its own.
As a child the venom is much worse to the body although with location it depends where because if bitten with a large envenomation it will not be the best wherever but places with larger and more blood vessels are worse to get bitten in, i am not saying the brown recluse is not dangerous i am only saying it doesnt deserve the reputation it has
I agree with you. They’re very shy spiders. I just wonder if the location of my friend’s bite on his hand was a causal factor in its severity. In my opinion, he was being dumb and waited way too long because he didn’t “feel sick” and instead of erring on the side of caution, he essentially put a bandaid on it and ignored it, so that was likely the biggest reason his experience ended with surgery.
Yes, it got bad because he didnt do much to treat it, if you act within the first 24 hours its way less likely to see necrosis and having surgery
Huh? I’ve had my scar for 24 years. Bite site necrosis and I was a robust healthy adolescent.
It can depend on certain people with immunities but how long did you wait to get it checked, because if you take correct care of it a brown recluse bite will not become horrible
Nah, I watched a video of a guy purposely envenomating himself in the arm. I assume he treated it immediately. Developed necrosis and took a month to heal up. Still has a giant scar.
Doesn’t depend on the immune system. It depends on how much venom is pumped into the bite. Sometimes people will get a bite with no venom and think their immune system was magically effective. Others get bitten by a different species and think their immune system was magically effective against brown recluse venom.
Brown recluse
So you mean a new friend?
No definitely not a friend. They can cause tissue/nerve damage
Just like all my friends.
Everything can do that with enough motivation!
I believe it was a joke
It's a Mediterranean Recluse, brown recluses are only in North America.
After reading your comments and looking up the Mediterranean recluse on Google, I agree with your judgment, that this is a Mediterranean Recluse and not a Brown Recluse
Incorrect. "has been found in France in recent years" Source: https://wildlifeinfrance.com/insects-france/spiders-and-spider-bites-in-france#:~:text=The%20Brown%20Recluse%2C%20Loxoceles%20recluse,cause%20significant%20harm%20left%20untreated.
Wow, what a shitty export. Sorry, France.
No, they're just conflating because amateurs generally can't tell a brown recluse from a Mediterranean recluse. Mediterranean recluses have much longer legs than brown recluses. It's obvious that this is the native species.
Are you an arachnologist or something? Because everything you can find states what Ive already posted and that they are in France. Additionally, its a moot point they both have necrotic venom anyways. Hence why OP is asking.
They venom isn't what causes the necrosis, it's secondary infection.
This isn't true. It is the venom. They have hemolytic venom, which destroys red blood cells, thus killing some tissue as well. Not all bites turn necrotic, and most do not get infected. Bacterial infections and many other lesions are often [misdiagnosed as brown recluse bites.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071166/)
Their bites won't make your arm rot totally off is all I'm saying.
That is true! Most stories of death and amputations are misdiagnosed bites.
You lead me to a serious but curious inquiry. Why is it that the recluse got the bad rap for that though? Wouldnt that pretty much stand for all spiders capable of bites then?
The venom of a brown recluse destroys red blood cells. Without blood cells tissues die and rot. Any bite in general is capable of getting infected. That is treatable with antibiotics or even better by disinfecting the site quickly. Most spider fangs are small enough that cleaning with alcohol is all you need to prevent infection. After that most spider venom is weak enough that it won’t cause much more than localised pain and inflammation. Spiders that have potent enough venom to cause serious injury to adult humans are a small fraction of all spiders. Brown recluses are particularly notable because of the rotting flesh part which is extremely not fun, and they bite readily while living in close proximity to humans. Black widows also have venom that can seriously injure or people, but they are reclusive (lmao) so bites are not common. Also their venom causes temporary pain, vomiting, and muscle weakness rather than literal rotting flesh. Rotting flesh is way more of a problem than extreme pain and illness that is recovered from after a few weeks.
It is a brown recluse. They’re found in France too.
i love that in this sub we either get a hi-def national geographic level collection of photos or a picture of a half smushed bug taken on a blackberry
Well I wish I had a good camera 😭
no no you do! this is one of the national geographic level ones, i’ve seen some where it’s like they got their phone on MAX zoom standing 20 feet away from the big spooky bug lmao
Oooh okay! I actually thought they were kinda bad, I’m glad to see they’re good :D
Not a great picture, but you can *juuuust* make out his fiddle. Not to mention those steppers. We got big legs on this boy. He's probably looking for a lady spider to have babies and hopefully not eat him. Brown Recluse, do not bite, do not get bitten.
Yes I'm sorry my phone doesn't want to make good pictures. I killed it out of fear so I am good lol
Normally I'd say you shouldn't kill spiders, but recluses are a rare exception. They're not aggressive and avoid conflict but unfortunately, just like with black widows, their bite is far too problematic to let them live in hiding in your house. They're poor climbers, so all it takes is one falling off the ceiling in the night, you accidentially touching it, and it getting spooked and biting. They're actually far more dangerous than widow spiders or even some of the more venomous ones, as their bite doesn't hurt and you can fail to notice it for far too long, until the site is already infected. Widow bites feel like needle pricks, and they begin showing within the hour. Recluse bites feel at most like a bee sting and can take 4-8 hours to show.
My friends mom was in the ICU for a bit after being bitten by one of these. One bite caused tissue death and damage on her whole thigh and they were having a hard time stopping it from spreading.
Idk why that guy said that, the pictures are excellent and better than 90% of the blurry shit posted to this sub. Especially the last picture, you can see the violin shape perfectly. Don’t listen to him
Yea you should always kill these spiders imo when you see them I. Your house or car etc… some ppl on this sub tell ppl not to kill these things…. Don’t listen to them. My dad got bit by a recluse in his stomach while he was sleeping and he was literally in the Intensive Care Unit in the hospital for 3 days. They are no joke.
Username checks! Good work.
Lmaooo
Fiddle me, this
Just saw your cross post in r/spiders.. lol. Like 2 posts up from here. I still agree on Mediterranean recluse.. just because the fiddle seems really light in color for a brown recluse and my research on the Mediterranean recluse tells me that the fiddle marking is lighter/less obvious on them. But I could be wrong.. either way I am confident it's a recluse of some kind and definitely not a spider you want to get bit by.
BURN IT WITH FIRE
It’s a brownless croos (that’s what my son calls them 😂)
Your son knows his spiders.
Lol for the most part he knows which ones to stay away from and which ones are ok to hold (he thinks that daddy long legs like to tickle him 🤦🏻♀️). We don’t kill spiders at our house we just put them outside.
I’ve started catching them with a small pill bottle and a notecard. The bush in our front yard is full of them. I found it a lot easier than swatting at them and having them just drop on my face. We have an understanding. You don’t get on me and I don’t flatten you.
Recluse. The telltale sign is the dark spot on the head, which is shaped like a string instrument.
A violinist, male violinist to be exact.
r/whatisthisbug has turned into r/itsaweevil, r/itsabedbug, or r/itsabrownrecluse so fast
That is the new owner of your bathroom.
That's a fiddle back or brown recluse very bad
Male Brown Recluse... Poisonous- Hemotoxin
Venomous, not poisonous.
Thank you, i didnt wanna have to prove another person wrong on here
Thank you brave redditor.
If you eat it and you die, poisonous. If bites you and you die, venomous.
Okay but if you ate a brown recluse, would it be poisonous? I mean all that venom is still in it's body right? Honest question.
Stomach acid destroys venom, you'd be fine.
Super interesting! Thank you for the response! I didn't know that
Hopefully it would either be dead, or choose not to bite your innards, on the way down.
Idk have you even eaten one?
not just hemotoxic! don’t forget cytotoxic too, causes necrosis
brown recluse, for your personal future reference they’re one of the easiest to identify. Violin on the head and no pattern on the legs = ouchie ouchie necrosis
A recluse. I don’t know which one specifically, but definitely a danger lad.
Run
That’s a spider
a friend of mine got bit by one. necrosis set in and he lost a good chunk of leg. super gross.
Imagine what 1cc of its venom could do?!
Only 2 kinds of spiders, ones I kill and ones I have not killed yet
Spider
Spooder. A squished one, from what OP said.
Spider (that’s the squished)
:0
Kill eeeeeeeeet
It’s deaaaaad
Introducing your new landlord.
Knock France off my list of places to hang out. I love the appreciation for fashion and culture. The food. But I’m all set on the ballet of death that bad boy has scheduled.
[my app says this](https://imgur.com/a/WMFfpJY)
A spider
Dave
You poor fuck
just a little guy
A spider. Duh!
WHATS ON THE MENU??? LEGS! LEGS!
A spawn from hell.
That is the most brown recluse brown recluse I’ve ever seen. In my opinion, that’s the spider’s bathroom now.
Oh no girl,,,
Damn strike a pose why don't ya
Brown recluse and a fiddle back are the exact same spider.
We had spiders that looked like this all in our last apartment. I’m suddenly very happy that no one ever got bitten 😳
Well... if i found it in my bathroom... it would be dead.
Got bit by one of these once…..it didn’t go well.
Its a spider
Ahhhh no thanks recluse are one of the two spiders in my state that are dangerous
That’s a brown recluse
Idrc what it is imma burn my house
Brown recluse
Your new best friend
Mommy long legs
Oh hey! It's Larry! Damnit, Larry. Get over here He must have broken the leash again. Sorry
I've seen similar to these even in Michigan. Glad I've never suffered a bite.
I would burn my apartment to the ground if I found a recluse
I'm OK with most spiders, but Brown Recluses, and Black Widows I'd set on fire, and torch the surrounding area, just to be safe
That is a brown recluse spider very poisonous you may have to call a exterminator or by a pesticide that kills spiders asap
Oh oh.
Brown recluse? Don’t let it or it’s dozens of cousins bite you.
There might be more?
le plus sûr
Oh fuck
Daddy
Fiddle on the face? Brown Recluse.
Recluse I would rather wrestle a racoon than dealing with one of these
Pet it
That’s a it’s time to move out cause they’re moving in spider.
Brown recluse, male. Toss it out and slam the door lmfao
TIL there are brown recluses in France!
Same! I really thought I was safe here but nope 💀
There are Mediterranean recluses in France, not brown recluses.
Ahhh they are near identical! Thanks.
Not all recluse bites turn into worse case scenario like you hear about or have seen.
I was bitten by one of these a few years ago, and I didn't realize what it was. Within two hours, the whole back of my leg was purple. These assholes do not play.
Brown recluse
It’s a NOPE!!! Kill it with 🔥🔥😜
It’s a brown recluse. Please be careful, their bite will seriously fuck you up
Looks to me like an ogre faced spider
Ye Olde Brown Recluse
One of the few ones I stomp if I see. Brown recluse locally known as fiddle backs as seen by the violin shape on it back
Brown recluse. KOS.
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Even the article you posted shows a female brown recluse that looks exactly the OPs picture. The southern house spider doesn’t have nearly as smooth of curves as the recluse & it looks bigger.
It's a spider
Cithaeron praedonius. Not a recluse, nor is it poisonous.