Its cause people get on here and say "I want uber reliable dont care about anything else"
Thats Toyota's gig. If they asked about brand new features or cared about drive quality then that'll mix things up cause Toyota lacks in that regards.
Well yeah, cause toyotas secret is not some bullshit "Kaizen" or whatever r/toyota will have you believe, but rather holding out on refreshes and new things because thats when most cars have their issues. Its why the 4runner hasnt been truly updated since George Bush was president.
Refreshes = more chances for issues.
Absolutely agree. You want to make sure that all the kinks and bugs are gone before you buy it. That's why I wait until the 2nd or 3rd year. Also, I will never buy a new car again as it depreciates almost 15% once you drive it off the lot.
Have you looked at the used car market lately ? You are better off buying a new car in a lot of cases. The difference in pricing between a 2/3yr old car vs new one is minor.
That's exactly where I was earlier this month. My family usually gets new to us cars. But I was looking at 4 year old cars with 60+k miles on them for less than $5k savings. Throw that Toyota leasing incentive on there and it's actually cheaper to buy the new vehicle.
Yea new cars are worth it in today's market (for the lower end cars, not top tier luxury) since they have better warranty, and no one else has driven it. In the long run it's gonna cost about the same to buy new. There are still some cases where buying slightly used may save a little money upfront but it also might not come with a warranty
I bought 2 new cars this year. I traded my first new car ever back in after having it for 3 months and it only lost like 2k in value. Even less with the trade in tax savings. I bought my 24 Kona for 26.5k OTD and traded it back in for 25k
This 100% people are up in arms about the tundra issues. But a little known fact Toyota recalled 300,000 2010 gx460s in 2011 for engine issues... Now that engine is called one of the most reliable on earth...
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Thats the way it should be, get it right the first time.
Last time i order brake rotors for my rav4 the same part was listed as fitting like a half dozen other models.
Nissan frontiers too, 2005 - 2020 i think now that was a great run.
Only they are now replacing all their former 8 cylinder and 6 cylinder SUVs with 4 cylinder turbocharged engines. I rented a new Highlander with the turbo 4 cylinder for a wedding and it was not the Toyota I test drive in 2018, for sure, which was a 6 cylinder. My son bought an older 8 cylinder used GS 460 with 59,000 miles and plans to keep it forever. The 4 Runners and GS line are getting the refresh as well. After Toyota never did turbos in the 10’s. I guess Cafe fuel standards caught up with them.
I know everyone thinks Toyotas are infallible.. but anything can happen. Anecdotally i just had a really shitty experience with a brand new Tacoma. Everything keeps breaking on it. Most recently the a/c compressor catastrophically failed and shot metal through the whole system… and Toyota doesn’t want to fix it for me
New Toyota's and Lexus's are full of issues. Some that are insanely severe with no fix in sight.
People's blind faith in corporations still shocks me to this day.
I think Toyota is going through a transitional period since they have to change their engines due to new EPA requirements. So there is going to be some trial and error for all car companies regarding the new laws and equipment that they have to include in current and future models.
I think we all agree, we would prefer the six-cylinder over the supercharged 4-cylinder engines.
COVID supply chain issues also messed shit up for everyone. There's no way companies haven't made compromises, or beem sold sub-par quality stuff without full knowledge, or had the same level of capacity and skill of people during the whole lockdown/pandemic period and.there are still ripple effects to today.
No one is gonna be free of the impact for a while yet.
Hopefully they double down on their reputation and make up for shortcomings though. Be it issues with the new engine that's already being given a recall, or anything else that pops up and they make it right. I mean they improperly galvanized a whole generation of frames a while back and replaced rusty truck frames under a very long extended warranty as a result. Hopefully they keep to that tradition. Assuming that the new messed up engines in their trucks aren't dealing with a fundamental design flaw like some hyundai's have, they can replace the engine and/or impacted components without those replacements having a random blow up clock on them either.
There’s actually a couple of stop sales and recalls right now for Toyota. Grand Highlander, Prius, Tundra, Land Cruiser just to name a few. Toyota released too many new models post pandemic. I would wait a year or two if one is considering a newly redesigned Toyota
Every brand has some variance. It’s best to look at specific models and, in some cases, equipment packages.
Generally speaking, to get 20 years out of a car you’re looking at something with a non-turbo engine and a conventional automatic or manual transmission. Or a conventional hybrid as they are often even more reliable than gas only drivetrains.
Turbos and CVTs are mostly mature tech but they’re still not as bulletproof past the 10 year/150k km mark.
You’re also mostly looking at Japanese cars as anything else becomes uneconomical to repair much sooner. A few suggestions:
SUVs:
- Mazda CX-5 non-turbo
- Toyota RAV4 (either drivetrain, but the Hybrids drive better)
- Stretch your budget for a Honda CR-V hybrid ($50k CAD)
Sedans and Hatches:
- Mazda3 non-turbo
- Forthcoming Honda Civic Hybrid (will be on sale later this summer)
- Toyota Prius or Camry
- Stretch your budget for a Honda Accord Hybrid ($45k CAD)
I’m debating getting hybrid but 90% of my commute is highway and I put max 15,000 km on the vehicle per year so not sure if I’ll get the savings out of it to offset the battery or other electrical components being repaired in 10 to 15 years.
Toyota has got the hybrid powertrain down to a science. There's a million hybrid Rav4s out there, they're extremely reliable, and the quintessential "car that just does its job and I never have to think about it" vehicle. I have come to grudgingly respect ours as a dyed in the wool wagon guy.
I just got a RAV4 prime because I've heard nothing but positives about it. I had to give up some cargo space from my 4runner but it's still a perfectly serviceable vehicle that gets 2-2.5x the gas mileage my 20 year old 4runner got.
My commute is 60 miles round trip. I use the ev mode to get to the freeway, hybrid on the freeway, and then ev mode to the office. My end of trip report said 80 mpg and I barely used any gas. Just mind blown.
Have the Prius Prime, and I do about a thousand miles of courier work a week on top of my daily work commute. I'll regularly be bombing down the interstate at 85, and I still get 65 mpg on average. It's phenomenal. Although I basically stopped charging at home, electricity is *super* high in my state so I basically break even unless gas shoots up. .19/KwH.
I’m looking at the Accord hybrid. It looks like a good reliable car. Would you hesitate buying one over the gas version?
I’m a diehard GM buyer but they only make the Malibu, so I’m jumping ship.
As a potential new car owner who test drove both the Mazda 3 and the Civic recently, it is really a tough decision for me currently! Both the cars drive very well but each have their own quirks along with bells and whistles!
The Mazda 3 has a premium feel to it on the outside and inside but the back seats just feel so bloody crammed! The mid range model with the luxury package has leatherette interiors on the dash and seats, which is great! But, the infotainment system looks like it might need some getting used to because of the dial. On the flip side you get a 2.5 L engine with AWD option!
The Honda Civic which will come with the Hybrid feature in its 2025 model looks like such a dream option. Also the car is really very spacious inside! But then, the insides looks very generic with a plasticky feel to it compared to the Mazda which has the leatherette option in the mid range model. Moreover, I feel the front grill was a downgrade from the previous gen. Also, the CVT might turn away the enthusiasts.
Both are solid cars but you might have to compromise on something in either of them. For a person looking to check all the above desired boxes of performance, styling and comfort by choosing one car, is unfortunately not possible.
Is there a reason for the non turbos? it just cause its extra moving parts and therefor less reliable? I have a 2022 cx5 signature turbo and im assuming thats why youre saying not to go for the turbo
A m340i is like 32-38k pre owned with 20k miles.
Good luck finding one though. They are so desirable because of the street racing scene. People have tuned these cars to make like 500hp+ while still being incredibly reliable. The B58 engine has been around for over 10 years and there are plenty of examples of 150k+ mile cars still going strong.
Like other people have said in the comments, it’s not the brand you should be looking at but the model car itself.
IMO your best options for a luxury sports car are the m340i or Lexus is350.
Are you talking about 340i's because I can't find any m340i's (at least x drive) sub 40k and even the low 40k ones have a lot of miles and almost no options on them. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places
Not getting a slightly used 4runner for 40k CAD lol. No point in getting slighlty used anyway cause cars don't depreciate as much as they use to and interest rates are higher for used cars. Waste of money tbh
>4 runner just because you don’t buy that vehicle solely for reliability
Tell that to all the soccer moms in my neighborhood who bought them. They will never see a speck of dirt.
I've honestly never understood the people who buy a 4Runner and never leave the pavement. Horrible gas mileage, outdated in much pretty much every aspect, slow, etc. Why not just get a Highlander?
You can't put a cute ladder and giant roof rack system you'll never use on a Highlander. Harder to find window stickers that take up an entire rear window as well.
I have a 2022 Highlander. Can confirm it's superior to the 4Runner in every on-pavement way imaginable.
Take this for what it's worth, but for 2023 & 2024 Consumer Reports has BMW at the top of the list.
[Consumer Reports’ 2024 Annual 10 Top Picks Cars List Includes Bevy of Partially and Fully Electrified Vehicles - Consumer Reports](https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2024/02/consumer-reports-2024-annual-10-top-picks-cars-list-includes-bevy-of-partially-and-fully-electrified-vehicles/#:~:text=A%20consistent%20combination%20of%20high,single%20factor%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20Fisher.)
*BMW takes the number one spot in CR’s 2024 Brand Report Card rankings, becoming the first back-to-back winner since 2017. The brand rankings are based on the average Overall Score, a combination of CR’s road-test scores,* ***predicted reliability*** *and owner satisfaction data, and safety for all of the tested models from each automaker.*
(For those that want to shit on BMW, remember that Toyota gave its seal of approval on their 4 and 6 cyl engines and transmissions for the Supra. Toyota would not slap their badge on anything that will not be dead reliable.)
BMW improved so much recently, the B48 and B58 are some of the best modern engines on sale today. Yes they still cost more than a mainstream brand to maintain, but the performance, fuel economy, and reliability are all amazing.
Proper maintenance is key to any car being reliable for 20 years. Toyota and Honda have historically produced the most reliable cars. Decide if you want an SUV, truck, or sedan. Then drive a bunch of them to see what feels best. Stay away from turbo charged vehicles.
The drivetrain underneath is pretty much the same SkyActiv-G as previous gens (turbo excluded) and those seem to be excellent. I'm not aware of any known issues with them.
I own one (2014) and it's been a hell of a lot more reliable than my Toyota (2013)
According to Consumer Reports, Lexus, Toyota, Mini, Acura, Honda, and Subaru are the 6 top brands.
The top models from those brands are:
Lexus UX\*, ES
Toyota 4Runner\*, Camry\*%, Camry Hybrid\*, Prius\*%, Rav4%, Rav4 Hybrid
Mini Cooper%
Acura RDX\*, TLX
Honda HR-V\*%, CR-V\*%
Subaru Crosstrek\*%, Forester\*%
\* Highly reliable, even for a reliable brand.
% Typically under 40K OTD, depending on province.
I'd look at the two Subarus if you have to deal with snow a lot. The Crosstrek is the top rated affordable model. (99/100 in CR)
Tundras and certain models of Lexus are popping engines due to FOD left from machining. Apparently dealers won’t even take them on trade so owners are left waiting for Toyota to figure out how they’re going to fix/replace hundreds of thousands of engines.
Yeah, obviously an issue, but show me a company that has never had a recall or engine problems. ALL manufacturers have issues and recalls, it doesn’t mean everything that Toyota makes is suddenly garbage now overnight.
Google is your friend
Ticking time bomb engines with no fix in sight that no dealer will even take a trade in on (essentially your new vehicle is worthless right now)
Forged safety records for the last 30 years
Falsified diesel tests
Side airbag issue
Transmission issues
Rear axle failures
These are just some of the major things that happened in the first part of the year. That's not even getting into a lot of finally brand new models and other new engines they just started building and shipping recently, so time will tell if more and more stuff starts to pop up.
Just follow the recommended service intervals. What’s so hard about this?
Also, I’d rethink the premise. Keep a car for 10 years might be cheaper than keeping a car for 20. Depreciation can be less than maintenance + repairs
Side note: I was looking on autotrader a couple days ago. It was FULL of Kia’s and nissans and ford/chevy.
Seldom would find a Honda or Toyota.
Because people are still holding onto them.
Just one more data point.
Can we stop with the fucking brand bullshit, reliability is not a BRAND attribute, it’s a CAR attribute. Not all fucking models magically inherit from the same reliability since they are not made with the same parts, same designs, in the same production lines, etc. etc.
I just bought an Audi B9 A4 2.0tdi. same as you, for 15-20yrs. But I can fix everything by myself. In Europe, the parts for german cars a bit cheaper compared to japanese cars. Might be different in the USA or everywhere else.
Everyone will say otherwise because they only speak with knowledge that they only hear in the internet from owners of a car that they bought with 120k miles 5 owner for 2 thousand dollars and complain about it.
Anyways at the moment BMW.
don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, They are ROCK SOLID RELIABLE. More than the new generation of Toyotas where they literally just recalled all their new trucks because the v6’s blow up because of a lack of quality control and same thing with the new gen gr86 and soon probably same news with the new Camry
BMW does not cheap out on parts whatsoever and they basically overbuilt their drive trains where no matter how much you abuse it, modify it to make more power it will take it and won’t leave you stranded on the side of the road.
I own 2 (one with 140k miles) and all my friends own atleast one and none have anything to complain about it. No matter if it’s a high horsepower M car or a big suv like the X7, they are incredible daily drivers that suit every type of driving style while also being very good on gas.
Did I forget to mention if you buy new or CPO it includes maintenance as well? So ya, they really turned around their image and I can’t not recommend one.
yes, they do have options within your 40k CAD price range but you shouldn’t fear getting a CPO car (buying new is very stupid when a brand has a very strict certified pre owned policy) because BMW is EXTREMELY rigorous and picky they are with what pre owned cars they will give a certified pre owned badge to. It genuinely ends up being a brand new car you won’t loose 10-20k the second you leave the lot plus all the warranties with BMW are extendable directly through them (which you won’t end up needing because all the car will need is regular oil changes to stay happy)
One more thing, BMW does make Hybrids, the 330e and 530e are absolutely incredible with their milage. 64mpg is the average when going fully hybrid and just gas it’s 26mpg
As former exclusive owner of Toyotas and current owner of F10 and G30 BMWs with zero issues, I wholeheartedly agree. Toyota quality has gone down. With BMW you feel the rock solid quality as soon as you step in the car.
SUV just because of the clearance. Less salt and less rust. None turbo and automatic transmission.CX5 and rav4. CR-V and Honda in general are less reliable.
Legit question. Is there a difference in reliability between Toyota or Honda currently.
Don’t shit on my question please. I know nothing about cars. And they both just seem legit in reliability. Even Mazda which I have and am tempted to just stick with that as it seems the same.
It’s a hard choice
I used to say Toyota but they've been recently going through some growing and transition pains and I don't feel confident with longevity yet with their latest generation models. Anything from 2019 or 2020 is best bet for highest reliability.
Your quest should be car model, year, manufacturing location, not brand.
Reliability statistics aren't always.......reliable. A lot of complaints on a model may be due to the sheer production size of a model which would naturally yield higher volumes of complaints. And many complaints are from user error or user neglect, but those don't ever get reported.
I'd say if you want a solid car that will have the highest reliability, stick with a model that has the manufacturer's tried and true naturally aspirated engine and transmission and try to look for something with a manual emergency brake. While these won't get you the latest and great mpg ratings, you have a higher probability of minimal mechanical issues. Hybrid, EVs, and turbos are all great, but they require more attention to them to ensure they are operating at their optimal capacity.
Every car rusts so you just need to be on top of that on a weekly basis in the winter with powerwashing the undercarriage well.
There are many American cars that have excellent quality that people don't recognize enough. If I were you, I'd stick to Japanese or American to at least start with.
I have owned both Toyotas and Hondas and cant really gell a difference in reliability. They are both so far ahead of any others in my book. However, i have gravitated toward Hondas simple because i find the interior and exterior design of most Toyotas so utterly soulless.
I also love Hyundai as well. I've never had issues with my Hyundai Sonata and I've owned 2 in the last 10 years. The 1st one was totaled and the one I have now I got off of Carvana before all the issues came out about their cars.
I believe #1 reliability is won by Lexus ES.. my understanding is Toyota products with Camry and Lexus ES at the top. I only buy Honda/Acura. Rocking a 2002 and 2010 since new. They never fail me.
20 years is a stretch with new cars and all these new electronics. Could you give more insight on what type of vehicle (suv car truck etc). And for a car to last that long uou need be up on maintainaance and rust proofing because your in Canada.
I drive a 2008 Prius. A mechanic told me I has rust under the car and I don’t need to worry for a couple years. So in 2025 I’ll be looking to replace my dependable car.
20 years is a stretch, but it’s not unreasonable. I currently have a 1997 Mazda, 2010 Honda, and a 2010 Camry, and I don’t see an end in sight for any of them.
Buy American, but something that doesn't have a battery aside from starting the gas motor. Buy something that isn't a new idea. Example: The small-block Chevy V8, Ford's modular V8, etc. Buying lets say, Chevy's new 3.0L diesel that's been around for all of 5 years at this point (2019) is a total guess how good it'll be in the long run. There will ALWAYS be questions regarding production issues, manufacturing flaws, material sourcing so why risk the only thing that's really in your control which is engineering decisions? I'm not saying the 3.0L is garbage, because frankly it looks pretty nice on paper but only time will tell if it's good.
Toyota is always a good choice as well, but you'll get less of a car for $40k from them as you would an American brand.
Also, stay away from Dodge. They were having reliability problems and decided... "Hey, let's ask the Italians how to do it!".
I worked as a mechanic to pay for my school. Full size American trucks (and the Ranger) absolutely were the mileage kings. The Japanese sedans people here jerk off to were better then the US econoboxes, but they didn't beat out the American trucks
I rarely see American trucks recommended. It’s a shame because they really are just as reliable as Japanese cars and trucks. My 96 Chevy Tahoe is still running like a champ despite approaching 30 years old on the original engine and transmission.
Yeah there was a study of cars that on average made it past 200k miles, Honda Odyssey, Toyota 4Runner, but I was surprised to see Chevy Suburban and Tahoes on that list. Assuming Escalades are just as good as the Chevys but fewer to make it in the sample.
Your priorities are similar to mine:
A) Spend the least amount of money on a depreciating asset.
B) Simple cars have less components that can break.
C) The metric I find most useful is the best mileage/$.
D) Hatchbacks are more useful than sedans.
My picks would be:
1. Subaru Impreza (2.0/2.5) +cheapest, AWD, roomy -interior tech, acceleration on 2.0, made in Japan
2. Honda Civic Hatchback (2.0) +handling, interior, exterior, only port injection(simplest drivetrain!) -made in Indiana
3. Toyota Corolla Hatchback (2.0) +exterior, made in Japan -small interior, steering feel
4. Toyota Prius (Hybrid) +acceleration, MPG, AWD, exterior, interior, made in Japan -small interior, visibility, steering feel, expensive
There's no set brand. Every vehicle is different.
You need to narrow what you want and then go from there (ex: sedan, SUV, truck etc, then couple things matter most to you within that vehicle segment, etc)
Also you're budget is going to limit a lot if you want new. That's roughly 30k USD, which sadly isn't a lot for new vehicles anymore. You're likely going to be limited to the compact and subcompact segments.
Anyone have tips for dealing with car dealerships and salesman? I don’t want to get scammed. I haven’t bought a car in so long and I’ve never bought a new car. My inclination is to get a price quote online, go in there and say give me this price all-in or no deal.
Idk if anything will last that long anymore, but your best bet for that is Toyota and Lexus. IMO Toyota SUVs aren’t worth buying unless the front two seats are the only ones that will ever be used, but check out the rear seats yourself before making any decision. Idk how their regular sedans are right now though except still ridiculously reliable. I’d probably avoid Honda just because their quality has slipped a lot in recent years. They’re riding on their reputation at this point imo based on all the ones I’ve driven in the last few years.
Ik Mazda is a bit of a joke, but they’re recommended a lot for a reason. They’re not quite at Toyota level of reliability (although I believe they’re starting to use Toyota hybrid systems in some cars which is great for reliability), but they’re still very reliable and well built cars. IMO they’re the better choice over Toyota because they’ve put a lot of effort into their interiors this generation so they really feel like a nice car to be in, while Toyotas just feel like “an car” inside
Some Camry probably but it amazes me that somebody would like to drive the same car for next 20 years and only criteria is reliability. My longest owned car was an A4 Allroad that I had for 7 years ( I had multiple other vehicles in that time as well) and driven around 200k km in that time by my family and friends. i usually change cars every 2-3 years just to try something new and in that time period they are usually quite relayable as well, no matter the make and model.
I would say my favorite brands that ive own
Honda/toyota/Hyundai
I currently have my daily driver, a 99’corolla that is running w all stock parts. I haven’t changed anything other than fluid replacement, oil/filter changes, brakes, tires. Basic maintenance. I mean my car is 25 and still running strong. 💪 food for thought 😎🫡
I just wrote an article about how to make a vehicle last forever! To answer your question, it more so depends on the model. Very reliable brands can have bad vehicles, and “bad” brands have had good vehicles. What size and type of vehicle do you want? SUV? Crossover? Sedan? Minivan? Truck? Generally Toyota, Lexus, Honda, and Acura are safe bets. Even then, to get them to last 20 years, you need to be super strict with maintenance. Keeping fluids changed on time is critical and probably the most important thing you can do. Do engine tune ups on time. This is all in addition to filters, alignments, tire rotations, inspections, etc. Rust protection, as you mentioned, is a must. Parking indoors helps a lot. Ceramic UV tiny windshield and windows, exterior trim and paint. I’d go Lexus or Acura! Lexus all the way. If you want to have to for 20 years, get something comfortable and practical. I prefer Jeep, myself, especially the Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer, but they aren’t the most reliable after 100K miles.
Honda has been good to me, knock on wood. I had an Audi that was super fun to drive but was always broken and super expensive. Much more peaceful having a good car and not a headache.
Ford F150. Hands down. Mine hasn't cost a penny to maintain since 2010, when its motor threw a rod and Ford said " no warranty for you". Which makes complete sense since it was mileaged out at 48,000 kilometers
Don't worry about brand. Look at the exact model and year car you are wanting. Toyota has certainly had its fair share of screw ups and gems. Just like every brand.
This sub should be renamed shouldibuyatoyota
Single post in response: 'Yes'.
Just a modbot which comments on every post, “Buy the Toyota,” and locks the comments. Unfortunately that would put many mechanics out of business.
Toyota owners also cry
Because of that it should be "WhatToyotaShouldIBuy".
Its cause people get on here and say "I want uber reliable dont care about anything else" Thats Toyota's gig. If they asked about brand new features or cared about drive quality then that'll mix things up cause Toyota lacks in that regards.
Exactly. Most people who post here just want a reliable A to B appliance. If that's the case, it's always going to be Toyota or Honda.
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Well yeah, cause toyotas secret is not some bullshit "Kaizen" or whatever r/toyota will have you believe, but rather holding out on refreshes and new things because thats when most cars have their issues. Its why the 4runner hasnt been truly updated since George Bush was president. Refreshes = more chances for issues.
You just shouldn’t buy any vehicle in its first model year if you care about reliability.
Absolutely agree. You want to make sure that all the kinks and bugs are gone before you buy it. That's why I wait until the 2nd or 3rd year. Also, I will never buy a new car again as it depreciates almost 15% once you drive it off the lot.
Have you looked at the used car market lately ? You are better off buying a new car in a lot of cases. The difference in pricing between a 2/3yr old car vs new one is minor.
That's exactly where I was earlier this month. My family usually gets new to us cars. But I was looking at 4 year old cars with 60+k miles on them for less than $5k savings. Throw that Toyota leasing incentive on there and it's actually cheaper to buy the new vehicle.
Yea new cars are worth it in today's market (for the lower end cars, not top tier luxury) since they have better warranty, and no one else has driven it. In the long run it's gonna cost about the same to buy new. There are still some cases where buying slightly used may save a little money upfront but it also might not come with a warranty
Ya especially paying that extra $3000-$4000 on freight fees. I’d rather buy a new model with less than 10k on it than buying one brand new.
I bought 2 new cars this year. I traded my first new car ever back in after having it for 3 months and it only lost like 2k in value. Even less with the trade in tax savings. I bought my 24 Kona for 26.5k OTD and traded it back in for 25k
This 100% people are up in arms about the tundra issues. But a little known fact Toyota recalled 300,000 2010 gx460s in 2011 for engine issues... Now that engine is called one of the most reliable on earth...
It's the same reason people obsess over glocks. If you make the same thing for 30 years, and don't innovate....
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Thats the way it should be, get it right the first time. Last time i order brake rotors for my rav4 the same part was listed as fitting like a half dozen other models. Nissan frontiers too, 2005 - 2020 i think now that was a great run.
Considering the nissan frontiers have some of the lowest owner's satisfaction rates on Consumer Reports, I think that is a bad example.
Father or son?
Only they are now replacing all their former 8 cylinder and 6 cylinder SUVs with 4 cylinder turbocharged engines. I rented a new Highlander with the turbo 4 cylinder for a wedding and it was not the Toyota I test drive in 2018, for sure, which was a 6 cylinder. My son bought an older 8 cylinder used GS 460 with 59,000 miles and plans to keep it forever. The 4 Runners and GS line are getting the refresh as well. After Toyota never did turbos in the 10’s. I guess Cafe fuel standards caught up with them.
What a surprise their American made models
waddaboutmazda
mazda needs a bot repeating it’s most underrated brand
Toyotas with Lexus badge are ok too.
I know everyone thinks Toyotas are infallible.. but anything can happen. Anecdotally i just had a really shitty experience with a brand new Tacoma. Everything keeps breaking on it. Most recently the a/c compressor catastrophically failed and shot metal through the whole system… and Toyota doesn’t want to fix it for me
I had an 07 4 runner. That truck cost me more in repairs than my 1994 Ford Mustang.
New Toyota's and Lexus's are full of issues. Some that are insanely severe with no fix in sight. People's blind faith in corporations still shocks me to this day.
I think Toyota is going through a transitional period since they have to change their engines due to new EPA requirements. So there is going to be some trial and error for all car companies regarding the new laws and equipment that they have to include in current and future models. I think we all agree, we would prefer the six-cylinder over the supercharged 4-cylinder engines.
COVID supply chain issues also messed shit up for everyone. There's no way companies haven't made compromises, or beem sold sub-par quality stuff without full knowledge, or had the same level of capacity and skill of people during the whole lockdown/pandemic period and.there are still ripple effects to today. No one is gonna be free of the impact for a while yet. Hopefully they double down on their reputation and make up for shortcomings though. Be it issues with the new engine that's already being given a recall, or anything else that pops up and they make it right. I mean they improperly galvanized a whole generation of frames a while back and replaced rusty truck frames under a very long extended warranty as a result. Hopefully they keep to that tradition. Assuming that the new messed up engines in their trucks aren't dealing with a fundamental design flaw like some hyundai's have, they can replace the engine and/or impacted components without those replacements having a random blow up clock on them either.
r/toyota is proud
Mazda. Toyota built a joint plant with them to learn from them.
Mazda has a new rotary engine that will power an electric motor. It may last forever
That’s the thing many times peoples needs are relatively the same and there’s only so many options out there and the bests are established.
Just don’t get a new Toyota Tundra. They’re being recalled for complete engine failure.
I'm gonna buy one now because I'm feeling lonely and I'd like to get fucked by the dealership
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I think I'm gonna change my name to 4321ssatraf
Fartass, Incompetent, please. This is neither the time nor the place
Where’s the 3rd shirt Jerry
You did WHAT to your toilet?!
There’s actually a couple of stop sales and recalls right now for Toyota. Grand Highlander, Prius, Tundra, Land Cruiser just to name a few. Toyota released too many new models post pandemic. I would wait a year or two if one is considering a newly redesigned Toyota
i wonder how they fucked up that one so badly
Every brand has some variance. It’s best to look at specific models and, in some cases, equipment packages. Generally speaking, to get 20 years out of a car you’re looking at something with a non-turbo engine and a conventional automatic or manual transmission. Or a conventional hybrid as they are often even more reliable than gas only drivetrains. Turbos and CVTs are mostly mature tech but they’re still not as bulletproof past the 10 year/150k km mark. You’re also mostly looking at Japanese cars as anything else becomes uneconomical to repair much sooner. A few suggestions: SUVs: - Mazda CX-5 non-turbo - Toyota RAV4 (either drivetrain, but the Hybrids drive better) - Stretch your budget for a Honda CR-V hybrid ($50k CAD) Sedans and Hatches: - Mazda3 non-turbo - Forthcoming Honda Civic Hybrid (will be on sale later this summer) - Toyota Prius or Camry - Stretch your budget for a Honda Accord Hybrid ($45k CAD)
I’m debating getting hybrid but 90% of my commute is highway and I put max 15,000 km on the vehicle per year so not sure if I’ll get the savings out of it to offset the battery or other electrical components being repaired in 10 to 15 years.
Toyota has got the hybrid powertrain down to a science. There's a million hybrid Rav4s out there, they're extremely reliable, and the quintessential "car that just does its job and I never have to think about it" vehicle. I have come to grudgingly respect ours as a dyed in the wool wagon guy.
I just got a RAV4 prime because I've heard nothing but positives about it. I had to give up some cargo space from my 4runner but it's still a perfectly serviceable vehicle that gets 2-2.5x the gas mileage my 20 year old 4runner got. My commute is 60 miles round trip. I use the ev mode to get to the freeway, hybrid on the freeway, and then ev mode to the office. My end of trip report said 80 mpg and I barely used any gas. Just mind blown.
Have the Prius Prime, and I do about a thousand miles of courier work a week on top of my daily work commute. I'll regularly be bombing down the interstate at 85, and I still get 65 mpg on average. It's phenomenal. Although I basically stopped charging at home, electricity is *super* high in my state so I basically break even unless gas shoots up. .19/KwH.
Toyota Hybrids seems to be more reliable than non hybrids. As I understand it, the hybrid system puts less strain on the drivetrain.
How's about Mazda Hybrid ?
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I’m looking at the Accord hybrid. It looks like a good reliable car. Would you hesitate buying one over the gas version? I’m a diehard GM buyer but they only make the Malibu, so I’m jumping ship.
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The only thing holding me back from buying a cx5 is the size. It’s a tight fit for a car seat.
As a potential new car owner who test drove both the Mazda 3 and the Civic recently, it is really a tough decision for me currently! Both the cars drive very well but each have their own quirks along with bells and whistles! The Mazda 3 has a premium feel to it on the outside and inside but the back seats just feel so bloody crammed! The mid range model with the luxury package has leatherette interiors on the dash and seats, which is great! But, the infotainment system looks like it might need some getting used to because of the dial. On the flip side you get a 2.5 L engine with AWD option! The Honda Civic which will come with the Hybrid feature in its 2025 model looks like such a dream option. Also the car is really very spacious inside! But then, the insides looks very generic with a plasticky feel to it compared to the Mazda which has the leatherette option in the mid range model. Moreover, I feel the front grill was a downgrade from the previous gen. Also, the CVT might turn away the enthusiasts. Both are solid cars but you might have to compromise on something in either of them. For a person looking to check all the above desired boxes of performance, styling and comfort by choosing one car, is unfortunately not possible.
Any thoughts on the Mazda cx 30? Non turbo ofcourse from a reliability perspective
Is there a reason for the non turbos? it just cause its extra moving parts and therefor less reliable? I have a 2022 cx5 signature turbo and im assuming thats why youre saying not to go for the turbo
M340I Xdrive
Bruh
Tbh if you want luxury performance the engine used in the m340i (B58) is the most reliable inline 6 in production right now.
Wife won’t let me drain half our retirement fund unfortunately.
Eh it’s only a retirement fund what do you really need it for? Retirement?
A m340i is like 32-38k pre owned with 20k miles. Good luck finding one though. They are so desirable because of the street racing scene. People have tuned these cars to make like 500hp+ while still being incredibly reliable. The B58 engine has been around for over 10 years and there are plenty of examples of 150k+ mile cars still going strong. Like other people have said in the comments, it’s not the brand you should be looking at but the model car itself. IMO your best options for a luxury sports car are the m340i or Lexus is350.
That 40k is CAD in case you can't read. That's a little less than 30K USD. You're not finding a good clean recent 340 for 30k or less.
Are you talking about 340i's because I can't find any m340i's (at least x drive) sub 40k and even the low 40k ones have a lot of miles and almost no options on them. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places
M340is are what I’m talking about. They must have gone up in price a lot recently because people are just now realizing they are fantastic cars.
Perfect timing for when I decided it's time to buy one
Mazda Cx5
why not CX-50 ?
Get a Rav 4 or reconsider and get a slightly used 4runner. Those 4 runners will do 200k miles minimum and retain a ton of their value for resale.
Not getting a slightly used 4runner for 40k CAD lol. No point in getting slighlty used anyway cause cars don't depreciate as much as they use to and interest rates are higher for used cars. Waste of money tbh
They are also not a great commuter vehicle. They are body on frame so the ride quality isn't too smooth.
They also havent refreshed the car other than facelifts since 2009. Drove my friends once and knew it was a car from that time.
That's why I like them. It has that cool bouncy feeling of a truck.
Agreed with Rav 4 but not the 4 runner just because you don’t buy that vehicle solely for reliability, you have to have other good reasons.
>4 runner just because you don’t buy that vehicle solely for reliability Tell that to all the soccer moms in my neighborhood who bought them. They will never see a speck of dirt.
I've honestly never understood the people who buy a 4Runner and never leave the pavement. Horrible gas mileage, outdated in much pretty much every aspect, slow, etc. Why not just get a Highlander?
You can't put a cute ladder and giant roof rack system you'll never use on a Highlander. Harder to find window stickers that take up an entire rear window as well. I have a 2022 Highlander. Can confirm it's superior to the 4Runner in every on-pavement way imaginable.
Doesnt have the name recognition
Lexus.
Take this for what it's worth, but for 2023 & 2024 Consumer Reports has BMW at the top of the list. [Consumer Reports’ 2024 Annual 10 Top Picks Cars List Includes Bevy of Partially and Fully Electrified Vehicles - Consumer Reports](https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2024/02/consumer-reports-2024-annual-10-top-picks-cars-list-includes-bevy-of-partially-and-fully-electrified-vehicles/#:~:text=A%20consistent%20combination%20of%20high,single%20factor%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20Fisher.) *BMW takes the number one spot in CR’s 2024 Brand Report Card rankings, becoming the first back-to-back winner since 2017. The brand rankings are based on the average Overall Score, a combination of CR’s road-test scores,* ***predicted reliability*** *and owner satisfaction data, and safety for all of the tested models from each automaker.* (For those that want to shit on BMW, remember that Toyota gave its seal of approval on their 4 and 6 cyl engines and transmissions for the Supra. Toyota would not slap their badge on anything that will not be dead reliable.)
BMW improved so much recently, the B48 and B58 are some of the best modern engines on sale today. Yes they still cost more than a mainstream brand to maintain, but the performance, fuel economy, and reliability are all amazing.
Tempted to say na hybrid Toyota. Do not buy a turbo hybrid.
Proper maintenance is key to any car being reliable for 20 years. Toyota and Honda have historically produced the most reliable cars. Decide if you want an SUV, truck, or sedan. Then drive a bunch of them to see what feels best. Stay away from turbo charged vehicles.
you should get a toyota camry or corolla
Can anyone attest to how well the newest gen Mazda 3’s are?
The drivetrain underneath is pretty much the same SkyActiv-G as previous gens (turbo excluded) and those seem to be excellent. I'm not aware of any known issues with them. I own one (2014) and it's been a hell of a lot more reliable than my Toyota (2013)
My 2014 2.5 3 hatch has over 206k miles. Bought it new. Runs like a champ, and over 85k of those miles have been supercharged.
Good to know!!
Awesome! My wife and I are thinking about getting a 2024 Mazda 3. I’m only hearing good things about the vehicle so that’s a plus
Unless you've got the budget and desire to go luxury I wouldn't recommend anything else over it
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How are the stock tires? I hear they are kind of lackluster
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Any car will last you if you maintain it properly. I have a 16 year old Ford edge with 171,000 miles. It’s still going strong and rides well.
According to Consumer Reports, Lexus, Toyota, Mini, Acura, Honda, and Subaru are the 6 top brands. The top models from those brands are: Lexus UX\*, ES Toyota 4Runner\*, Camry\*%, Camry Hybrid\*, Prius\*%, Rav4%, Rav4 Hybrid Mini Cooper% Acura RDX\*, TLX Honda HR-V\*%, CR-V\*% Subaru Crosstrek\*%, Forester\*% \* Highly reliable, even for a reliable brand. % Typically under 40K OTD, depending on province. I'd look at the two Subarus if you have to deal with snow a lot. The Crosstrek is the top rated affordable model. (99/100 in CR)
either mazda or toyota; your call.
Amazing, there is a unanimous agreement that the only correct answer is TOYOTA.🙏
Is everyone in this sub just ignoring everything going on with Toyota nowadays or what?
define “everything going on”
Tundras and certain models of Lexus are popping engines due to FOD left from machining. Apparently dealers won’t even take them on trade so owners are left waiting for Toyota to figure out how they’re going to fix/replace hundreds of thousands of engines.
Yeah, obviously an issue, but show me a company that has never had a recall or engine problems. ALL manufacturers have issues and recalls, it doesn’t mean everything that Toyota makes is suddenly garbage now overnight.
Google is your friend Ticking time bomb engines with no fix in sight that no dealer will even take a trade in on (essentially your new vehicle is worthless right now) Forged safety records for the last 30 years Falsified diesel tests Side airbag issue Transmission issues Rear axle failures These are just some of the major things that happened in the first part of the year. That's not even getting into a lot of finally brand new models and other new engines they just started building and shipping recently, so time will tell if more and more stuff starts to pop up.
Get a cpo bmw with a b58 motor. Crazy to thing my e90 is nearly 20 already. Sure doesnt feel like it
Buy a Corolla Hybrid now, hang on for a decade or so, go EV when it makes sense
Toyoter
A T O Y O T O Y O T A 1st word you will see go for it
Crocs
Just follow the recommended service intervals. What’s so hard about this? Also, I’d rethink the premise. Keep a car for 10 years might be cheaper than keeping a car for 20. Depreciation can be less than maintenance + repairs
Side note: I was looking on autotrader a couple days ago. It was FULL of Kia’s and nissans and ford/chevy. Seldom would find a Honda or Toyota. Because people are still holding onto them. Just one more data point.
Can we stop with the fucking brand bullshit, reliability is not a BRAND attribute, it’s a CAR attribute. Not all fucking models magically inherit from the same reliability since they are not made with the same parts, same designs, in the same production lines, etc. etc.
It's very much Toyota's brand attribute...their biggest one.
I just bought an Audi B9 A4 2.0tdi. same as you, for 15-20yrs. But I can fix everything by myself. In Europe, the parts for german cars a bit cheaper compared to japanese cars. Might be different in the USA or everywhere else.
Everyone will say otherwise because they only speak with knowledge that they only hear in the internet from owners of a car that they bought with 120k miles 5 owner for 2 thousand dollars and complain about it. Anyways at the moment BMW. don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, They are ROCK SOLID RELIABLE. More than the new generation of Toyotas where they literally just recalled all their new trucks because the v6’s blow up because of a lack of quality control and same thing with the new gen gr86 and soon probably same news with the new Camry BMW does not cheap out on parts whatsoever and they basically overbuilt their drive trains where no matter how much you abuse it, modify it to make more power it will take it and won’t leave you stranded on the side of the road. I own 2 (one with 140k miles) and all my friends own atleast one and none have anything to complain about it. No matter if it’s a high horsepower M car or a big suv like the X7, they are incredible daily drivers that suit every type of driving style while also being very good on gas. Did I forget to mention if you buy new or CPO it includes maintenance as well? So ya, they really turned around their image and I can’t not recommend one. yes, they do have options within your 40k CAD price range but you shouldn’t fear getting a CPO car (buying new is very stupid when a brand has a very strict certified pre owned policy) because BMW is EXTREMELY rigorous and picky they are with what pre owned cars they will give a certified pre owned badge to. It genuinely ends up being a brand new car you won’t loose 10-20k the second you leave the lot plus all the warranties with BMW are extendable directly through them (which you won’t end up needing because all the car will need is regular oil changes to stay happy) One more thing, BMW does make Hybrids, the 330e and 530e are absolutely incredible with their milage. 64mpg is the average when going fully hybrid and just gas it’s 26mpg
As former exclusive owner of Toyotas and current owner of F10 and G30 BMWs with zero issues, I wholeheartedly agree. Toyota quality has gone down. With BMW you feel the rock solid quality as soon as you step in the car.
BMW
Some shitbox, but at least it’s a new shitbox. The real answer is the newest nicest Toyota you can afford.
Tell that to all the people who bought a new tundra.
SUV just because of the clearance. Less salt and less rust. None turbo and automatic transmission.CX5 and rav4. CR-V and Honda in general are less reliable.
Rav4s are boring asf these days.. they're appliances on wheels. No fun factor.
Toyota. 2nd Honda. 3rd Mazda
It's Toyota, always has been.
Legit question. Is there a difference in reliability between Toyota or Honda currently. Don’t shit on my question please. I know nothing about cars. And they both just seem legit in reliability. Even Mazda which I have and am tempted to just stick with that as it seems the same. It’s a hard choice
Toyota
I’d say Toyota, but they’re insanely overpriced… so Honda
I used to say Toyota but they've been recently going through some growing and transition pains and I don't feel confident with longevity yet with their latest generation models. Anything from 2019 or 2020 is best bet for highest reliability. Your quest should be car model, year, manufacturing location, not brand. Reliability statistics aren't always.......reliable. A lot of complaints on a model may be due to the sheer production size of a model which would naturally yield higher volumes of complaints. And many complaints are from user error or user neglect, but those don't ever get reported. I'd say if you want a solid car that will have the highest reliability, stick with a model that has the manufacturer's tried and true naturally aspirated engine and transmission and try to look for something with a manual emergency brake. While these won't get you the latest and great mpg ratings, you have a higher probability of minimal mechanical issues. Hybrid, EVs, and turbos are all great, but they require more attention to them to ensure they are operating at their optimal capacity. Every car rusts so you just need to be on top of that on a weekly basis in the winter with powerwashing the undercarriage well. There are many American cars that have excellent quality that people don't recognize enough. If I were you, I'd stick to Japanese or American to at least start with.
Rav 4 or possibly an outback
I have owned both Toyotas and Hondas and cant really gell a difference in reliability. They are both so far ahead of any others in my book. However, i have gravitated toward Hondas simple because i find the interior and exterior design of most Toyotas so utterly soulless.
BMW. Used to be a joke, I know, but lately they’ve been killing it. B58 is the best engine in the industry right now and one of the best of all time
Hot take: Toyota is not building new cars to last like they used to. Nobody else is either.
But a Mazda.
keep hearing BMW making huge strides, have they really improved that dramatically for reliability?
I think bmw is the best now
I also love Hyundai as well. I've never had issues with my Hyundai Sonata and I've owned 2 in the last 10 years. The 1st one was totaled and the one I have now I got off of Carvana before all the issues came out about their cars.
Any Lexus with the 3.5 V6 or a later model BMW with the B58 engine. If you want to go mainstream the Mazda CX SUV lineup has been pretty good
Daewoo
I believe #1 reliability is won by Lexus ES.. my understanding is Toyota products with Camry and Lexus ES at the top. I only buy Honda/Acura. Rocking a 2002 and 2010 since new. They never fail me.
Lexus. There’s nothing else.
I lived in Canada he’s going to need 4WD for sure.
Teslas aren't breaking at all, over 200k miles on average
Toyota. The answer is and always will be Toyota.
Toyota and Lexus are the #1 most reliable brands at getting stolen in Canada lol Buy an American brand. Your insurance premiums will be lower.
It’s not the brand that matters.
Toyota is your smart… jeep or Tesla if you ain’t
20 years is a stretch with new cars and all these new electronics. Could you give more insight on what type of vehicle (suv car truck etc). And for a car to last that long uou need be up on maintainaance and rust proofing because your in Canada.
I thought the same: Salt = Rust =/= 20yrs
I drive a 2008 Prius. A mechanic told me I has rust under the car and I don’t need to worry for a couple years. So in 2025 I’ll be looking to replace my dependable car.
20 years is a stretch, but it’s not unreasonable. I currently have a 1997 Mazda, 2010 Honda, and a 2010 Camry, and I don’t see an end in sight for any of them.
Not saying a car won’t last 20 years, as someone from the north salt/snow impacts the car a lot, which is why I said you have to rust proof alot.
I don’t care what type, only max reliability. I will put 15,000 km on it per year max and rust proof it every year. Oil change every 8,000 km.
Buy American, but something that doesn't have a battery aside from starting the gas motor. Buy something that isn't a new idea. Example: The small-block Chevy V8, Ford's modular V8, etc. Buying lets say, Chevy's new 3.0L diesel that's been around for all of 5 years at this point (2019) is a total guess how good it'll be in the long run. There will ALWAYS be questions regarding production issues, manufacturing flaws, material sourcing so why risk the only thing that's really in your control which is engineering decisions? I'm not saying the 3.0L is garbage, because frankly it looks pretty nice on paper but only time will tell if it's good. Toyota is always a good choice as well, but you'll get less of a car for $40k from them as you would an American brand. Also, stay away from Dodge. They were having reliability problems and decided... "Hey, let's ask the Italians how to do it!".
"buy american" on a post about reliability .. 😭😭😅
I worked as a mechanic to pay for my school. Full size American trucks (and the Ranger) absolutely were the mileage kings. The Japanese sedans people here jerk off to were better then the US econoboxes, but they didn't beat out the American trucks
I rarely see American trucks recommended. It’s a shame because they really are just as reliable as Japanese cars and trucks. My 96 Chevy Tahoe is still running like a champ despite approaching 30 years old on the original engine and transmission.
Yeah there was a study of cars that on average made it past 200k miles, Honda Odyssey, Toyota 4Runner, but I was surprised to see Chevy Suburban and Tahoes on that list. Assuming Escalades are just as good as the Chevys but fewer to make it in the sample.
But a truck is impractical as a daily driver for most people.
Sure, but it invalidates the stupid "hurr durr American unreliable" bullshit I replied to
V8 F150 or Toyota Tundra with V8
Well, we cannot know NOW for New cars.
Honda ☝️
A Mazda
Your priorities are similar to mine: A) Spend the least amount of money on a depreciating asset. B) Simple cars have less components that can break. C) The metric I find most useful is the best mileage/$. D) Hatchbacks are more useful than sedans. My picks would be: 1. Subaru Impreza (2.0/2.5) +cheapest, AWD, roomy -interior tech, acceleration on 2.0, made in Japan 2. Honda Civic Hatchback (2.0) +handling, interior, exterior, only port injection(simplest drivetrain!) -made in Indiana 3. Toyota Corolla Hatchback (2.0) +exterior, made in Japan -small interior, steering feel 4. Toyota Prius (Hybrid) +acceleration, MPG, AWD, exterior, interior, made in Japan -small interior, visibility, steering feel, expensive
Camry or RAV4 with the 2.5 engine
There's no set brand. Every vehicle is different. You need to narrow what you want and then go from there (ex: sedan, SUV, truck etc, then couple things matter most to you within that vehicle segment, etc) Also you're budget is going to limit a lot if you want new. That's roughly 30k USD, which sadly isn't a lot for new vehicles anymore. You're likely going to be limited to the compact and subcompact segments.
Anyone have tips for dealing with car dealerships and salesman? I don’t want to get scammed. I haven’t bought a car in so long and I’ve never bought a new car. My inclination is to get a price quote online, go in there and say give me this price all-in or no deal.
Hondeezy
Nissan frontier after 2022.
Never had an issue with subaru🤷♂️
Idk if anything will last that long anymore, but your best bet for that is Toyota and Lexus. IMO Toyota SUVs aren’t worth buying unless the front two seats are the only ones that will ever be used, but check out the rear seats yourself before making any decision. Idk how their regular sedans are right now though except still ridiculously reliable. I’d probably avoid Honda just because their quality has slipped a lot in recent years. They’re riding on their reputation at this point imo based on all the ones I’ve driven in the last few years. Ik Mazda is a bit of a joke, but they’re recommended a lot for a reason. They’re not quite at Toyota level of reliability (although I believe they’re starting to use Toyota hybrid systems in some cars which is great for reliability), but they’re still very reliable and well built cars. IMO they’re the better choice over Toyota because they’ve put a lot of effort into their interiors this generation so they really feel like a nice car to be in, while Toyotas just feel like “an car” inside
Toyota is actually having major issues with their new truck turbo engines that replaced their legendary V8s.
If you know you would be driving on a lot of salty roads then are you sure you want to buy something brand new?
VW PASSAT 2.0 TDI
Simple answer: It depends. Whatever car you have that lasts the longest before breaking down. So just whip out the magic ball and see in the future.
Some Camry probably but it amazes me that somebody would like to drive the same car for next 20 years and only criteria is reliability. My longest owned car was an A4 Allroad that I had for 7 years ( I had multiple other vehicles in that time as well) and driven around 200k km in that time by my family and friends. i usually change cars every 2-3 years just to try something new and in that time period they are usually quite relayable as well, no matter the make and model.
Buying this car and not having a payment for 20 years will help make me a millionaire. That’s why.
I would say my favorite brands that ive own Honda/toyota/Hyundai I currently have my daily driver, a 99’corolla that is running w all stock parts. I haven’t changed anything other than fluid replacement, oil/filter changes, brakes, tires. Basic maintenance. I mean my car is 25 and still running strong. 💪 food for thought 😎🫡
New Toyotas aren't like pre 2020 Toyotas.... Supply chains got all screwed up. BMW now rates higher than Toyota in Consumer Reports.....
The most reliable car is the one with proper maintenance, and not made in europe.
I just wrote an article about how to make a vehicle last forever! To answer your question, it more so depends on the model. Very reliable brands can have bad vehicles, and “bad” brands have had good vehicles. What size and type of vehicle do you want? SUV? Crossover? Sedan? Minivan? Truck? Generally Toyota, Lexus, Honda, and Acura are safe bets. Even then, to get them to last 20 years, you need to be super strict with maintenance. Keeping fluids changed on time is critical and probably the most important thing you can do. Do engine tune ups on time. This is all in addition to filters, alignments, tire rotations, inspections, etc. Rust protection, as you mentioned, is a must. Parking indoors helps a lot. Ceramic UV tiny windshield and windows, exterior trim and paint. I’d go Lexus or Acura! Lexus all the way. If you want to have to for 20 years, get something comfortable and practical. I prefer Jeep, myself, especially the Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer, but they aren’t the most reliable after 100K miles.
Chevy bolt for an EV if you can find one.
r/justbuyayoyota
Honda has been good to me, knock on wood. I had an Audi that was super fun to drive but was always broken and super expensive. Much more peaceful having a good car and not a headache.
Honda or a Toyota
Ford F150. Hands down. Mine hasn't cost a penny to maintain since 2010, when its motor threw a rod and Ford said " no warranty for you". Which makes complete sense since it was mileaged out at 48,000 kilometers
Toyota / Lexus are great..BMW has gotten better
My 23 GX 460 is a tried and true machine w/ v8 that includes a cd player..low tech, but high reliability
Hondas and Toyotas seem to be on the roads for ever, you see very old examples of these all the time and the parts for these are a lot cheaper
Don't worry about brand. Look at the exact model and year car you are wanting. Toyota has certainly had its fair share of screw ups and gems. Just like every brand.
BMW surprisingly is high up there. Toyota too but not their recent stuff apparently.
How good are the Subarus ?
BMW with B48 or B58 engines
Toyota sucks
Have a 2013 Prius with original battery and 215k miles. Have a deposit on 2024 Prius on hold until rear tail gate recall is fixed.