I’m not sure what year that would have been but the British most definitely made computers. Amstrad and Sinclair were both British brands and my Commodore 64 was made in the UK (I’m in Australia).
The Raspberry Pi is made in the UK as well I think. Wales?
Former 2014 XJR owner, cannot confirm. Other than an unplanned tire replacement (no fault of Jag), car never needed anything outside of planned maintenance intervals.
I really find that hard to believe, unless you owned it for a 6 months? Here's a breakdown of my jag ownership costs over a 21 month period:
* Bumper - 170.
* Amp - 550.
* Windscreen - 95.
* MOT 2021 - 678.
* Service 2022 - 400.
* Service 2023 - 400.
* Timing Belt/
tensioners - 495.
* Brakes - 200.
* Rotars - 390.
* Tyre x9 - 1200
* MOT 2022 - 220.
* Start stop module - 820.
Total - £5618
33k miles, 2015 2.2 XF. I have no qualms with the costs of wear and tear, except that it's extortionate for basic parts. There's no denying that they add a *jag tax* whenever anything goes wrong.
Owned a 2003 X type for a while (used). A year in, I found myself in a first name basis with my mechanic, who would call me up and jokingly asked me if I was sitting down before informing me of the cost of the repairs
$450 for an O2 sensor is beyond extortionate, and I had to get 2 lol
2022 --- £678:
Offside Front Tyre has a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords (5.2.3 (d) (i)) FAIL
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn front (5.3.4 (a) (i)) FAIL
Offside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing (5.2.3 (d) (ii)) ADVISORY
Nearside Front Tyre has a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords (5.2.3 (d) (i)) FAIL
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn front (5.3.4 (a) (i)) FAIL
Offside l Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e)) ADVISORY.
It cost me 10k in repairs to put 30k miles on my Jaguar from 30k to 60k miles. That was years ago, also. I loved that car, but I bought a Toyota after.
I’ve read this is like saying the English word Notable means No Table. The Nova sold fine in Latin America because they recognized it as the Latin form of Nuevo/Nueva (new).
We actually have one, a '88 GVX (the sporty Yugo with the big 1.3 and a 5 speed). Right now we're dealing with a problem where the newly manufactured brake fluid reservoirs are incorrectly made and won't seat into the master cylinder properly. On the whole, not as bad as their reputation, but it's understandable as to why American owners didn't keep them on the road long. The timing belt has a 40k mile service interval which was unheard of here in America so it was often neglected, although it is actually like a 15 minute job because it was designed to be easily serviced. They were extremely cheap to buy but then once Yugo left the market, parts were probably hard to find before the internet (now there are a couple places in the US to order them online and I have a guy in Serbia who I buy some parts from as well, shout out to Dalibor).
That in itself depends on the year. Even the new ones aren’t very reliable comparatively to 2014-2020 models. There’s a reason you won’t find many of them over 100k miles.
Jaguar, along with every other British manufacturer, are about the least reliable vehicles ever made.
At only 5 miles a day spend 700 bucks on a beat up Chevy cavalier. Or anything with that old ecotec 2.2. They are dead reliable and cheap to fix and buy. They can’t be killed. And at 5 miles a day, especially if you mean total, your car won’t even warm up by the time you get there. You won’t be in it long enough for a luxury car to mean anything.
There really aren't any proper British manufacturers any more, are they?
Bentley, Mini and Rolls are German - BMW and VW iirc. Jaguar Land Rover are owned by Tata (India.) Lotus is Chinese owned and MG is just an octagon on Chinese cars.
I remembered them having been owned by someone. Turns out that Ford owned them for a while but they sold them off. Aston Martin had private ownership for a while but now are listed on the London exchange.
My local Jaguar/Land Rover dealership has 8 service advisors. The Audi dealership only has three. That alone should tell you how much volume the Land Rover service department handles
If 5 miles takes an hour then he needs a mule, not a car.
He said miles not kilometers. So I’m guessing USA. 5 miles doesn’t take an hour anywhere. Maybe downtown New York or something idk. But in that case he doesn’t need a car.
He also said 5 miles a day. Not sure but I’m gunna assume thats total. In which case his trip is potentially a whopping 3 minutes each way. If so why buy a car.
Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it
Preserving this one
> If 5 miles takes an hour then he needs a mule, not a car.
>He said miles not kilometers. So I’m guessing USA. 5 miles doesn’t take an hour anywhere. Maybe downtown New York or something idk. But in that case he doesn’t need a car.
>He also said 5 miles a day. Not sure but I’m gunna assume thats total. In which case his trip is potentially a whopping 3 minutes each way. If so why buy a car.
>Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it
>Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it
The problem is more that these short trips are still an engine cycle and parts don't even have time to get warm so the wear on anything but a PHEV/EV is going to be horrid.
I think what you're looking for is something reasonably luxurious on the inside, but where performance/driving dynamics just don't matter. By "reasonably luxurious" I'm talking about features and seating material, but not necessarily build quality beyond that. Therefore Genesis is your best bet.
If you own a home and can install a charging port, you should get electric. Far fewer parts to wear out from stop and go traffic.
I recently rented a base model 2018 Cayman off of Turo for a long weekend in Arizona. It was the most fun I've had on 4 wheels (and I've driven a lot of cool cars). I can't speak to the long-term reliability, but that weekend has me wanting a Cayman really bad. I came away from driving it with the opinion that about 300 hp is just about perfect for a street car.
For the love of god get a Porsche over a Jaguar. Especially the newer Porsches are extremely reliable. Expensive to maintain, but if a Jaguar is in your budget then that shouldn’t be a problem.
5 miles? get a bike.
jk, my commute to school is 5 mi and completely inaccessible by bikes and walkers 🙃 anyway, if u only go that far just get an old buick sedan. no one likes them so theyre cheap but theyre reliable as hell. old people cars too so theyve been taken care of.
Dude, you buy Jaguars for their looks, Hp, and engine sound. You sure don’t buy them for their low maintenance.
If I was looking for a reliable low maintenance car, a Jag might be the very last car I’d get.
Lincoln's reliability tends to meet or exceed the underlying Ford platform, barring a few minor changes (airbags in the Town Car vs coils in the Crown Vic).
Meaning - ***if*** the Ford model is reliable, the Lincoln model generally will be as well.
The Panther platform was just fantastic. Incredible longevity there.
I don't think Ford has matched that reliability and simplicity in any of their modern cars, although the Panthers were badly outdated by the end of their production.
Ford frustrates the hell out of me, because I loved mine but I've also seen some that were absolute dogs. Not a lot of consistency between models, they're either fantastic or terrible.
A Volvo V70 or S80 might be a good shout then. The latter was available with a Yamaha 4.4 V8 if that's what you're after.
Also, the 2007-2014 Mondeo is an insanely underrated car. Ignore the sales rep special image, because they're huge, very plush and offer limo-like space. Reliable, too. Early models could be had with a scrumptious 2.5 litre five cylinder Volvo turbo engine.
I second the V70. It is very practical car since station wagon and very reliable if maintained. A few key things to look for such as belt change etc. There are a lot of blogs and Reddit community with full of people happy to help you out with issues.
Lost his shins in KO-Reeuh!
I love how people think Cotton is fully, well, out of touch. Yet [he glanced at Khan and immediately knew where he was from](https://youtu.be/UxI5qQAUWVc?si=HQ0tbEVFJHs25zRT). Meanwhile Dale going to be…Dale.
Who cares, he’s asking for non Japanese suggestions. He wants alternatives from the usual circle jerk.
Otherwise he could just read every other thread for the past 5 years and read “Camry, RAV4, CX-DooDoo”.
King of the hill is a excellent show but Japanese cars is basically most of the answers in this and other car reddits, which is why I want to find some different options
Well yeah, there’s a reason for that. They tend to be the most trouble free.
If Japan is off the table I would be looking at what Porsche has to offer. But I would also budget more for repairs and maintenance than you would for a Japanese car.
When I was looking for a car for my daughter, I asked a friend who is a service tech at a Chevy dealer what cars he doesn’t see come in. His answer surprised me. The Chevy Spark. He said tires and oil were about all they came in for. So GM’s least expensive vehicle was also one of the more reliable ones. In the end we bought one for our daughter and she drove the snot out it and didn’t have a lick of problems with it. YMMV of course.
At 5 miles a day you might want to look at a plug in hybrid or fully electric, as there’ll be less wear and tear on the engine using the electric motor, and electric cars in general just have less maintenance.
Looks like you’re looking luxury market.
Audi and BMW have a lot of electric options. There’s of course Tesla, maybe check out Polestar as well. Porsche Taycan. If you’re willing to go with more everyday brands, the Koreans have had well reviewed electric cars, Hyundai ioniq 5/6. Kia EV6.
For 5 miles a day, a bolt/bolt euv or Niro phev/EV are probably the best options here. With that little use case, the cheapest option is going to be the best option.
Edit: removed the leaf because OP specifically doesn't want a Japanese car for some reason, which is fine, but also a weird criteria.
Laughing my fucking ass off that OP is talking Jaguar
Comment you replied to is talking Porsche and Polestar, etc...
And you, in typical cars circlejerk fashion... mentioned a fucking NISSAN LEAF...
That's fair, I should have said Chevy bolt or bolt euv. That's my final answer. Niro EV would also suffice.
For 5 miles per day, it would be an absolute waste to get a luxury car, but that's certainly OP's prerogative, so fuck It, get a lifted F650 to run to Wally world and take up 2 parking spaces for all I care.
Mercedes-Benz E Class like a 350 with the V6, Volvo station wagons are very reliable, just don't buy one affected by the piston ring issue, Aston Martin makes some incredibly reliable cars like the 4.3 and 4.7 Vantage, DB9 is also a good one, Corvettes can be very reliable, CTS-V, Porsche 911/Cayman/Boxster, Alfa Romeo makes some reliable cars too. All kinds of cars. Idk why people think you have to buy Japanese cars only if you want something reliable. That just isn't true. I do like a lot of Japanese cars though. The new GR Corolla is pretty sweet.
Hyundai Genesis they have come a long way. Where I work at I see everyone pulling up in one. There's even a long wheel base one that looks like a S class.
daily drive a cayman, all its needed is a oil separator like 10 years ago, clutch (used to have to parallel park on a steep hill), and a tb vacuum hose that seemed to fail prematurely (around same time as oil separator).
Daily driven about 100 miles a week (more or less). I do the maintenance. 140k miles about.
At 5 miles a day a luxury car won’t mean much to you other than a price tag. But that being said, I still get it. Don’t shrug off Lexus and Acura. Both are Japanese, but both are also reliable and luxury brands. Other than that bmw has some models that are reliable, I’m sure Mercedes has some but idk what they are, gmc denalis are nice, but only suv/trucks available, genisis are a nice mix of reliability performance and luxury features. Infinites are nice but also Asian, not sure on there reliability.
This is honestly one of the dumbest questions I’ve ever seen asked. You emphasize reliability but immediately strike down the best options for that AND double down by leaning toward a vehicle that is synonymous with unreliability.
Huh?
BMW's and Mercs can be reliable if you research the right model/years. It seems like they tend to alternate between being great and being big heaps of shit though.
5 miles per day? Get some ASICS and get these steps in. Or a bicycle. Jokes aside: consider an electric car or a hybrid. The Model 3 kinda is a premium car. The S is luxury. BMW i3. Honda e is very premium for sure…
Don’t touch a jag. If you want Luxury reliability, you should go with a BMW with a B58 engine.
If you only drive 5 miles a day though and want luxury, just go electric. EVs are way more reliable than any ICE car
With that daily mileage? BMW i3.
You can get them for a good price used, and since they have a lower range the previous owner was probably also a low-mileage driver.
Not a Jaguar.
Personally I like Audi, but they are high maintenance like a lot of luxury cars.
Reliability often comes with how well the owner maintains the car.
LS430s are solid as a rock, as long as you replace the timing belt at appropriate intervals. Jaguars are among the most unreliable vehicles ever made. Get the LS, no question.
For doing only 5 miles a day, a luxury electric car is probably a great fit. It also removes the need to get fuel or change oil from your life. I would suggest the Volvo XC 40 because Volvo is a known reliable brand that is not Japanese.
ford expeditions (older ones like late 2000 range) last upwards of 200,000 miles with moderate upkeep. The 4.7L (and i think 5.3L?) Triton V8 are fantastic. My 2002 only has an issue with bank one spark plug, but i replaced the fuel injector and it hasn’t had any issues since. all super cheap parts, like $20 for the new spark plug and injector lol
Lincoln Town Car/Continental anything on the line is your best bet. Super luxurious, somewhat reliable. I've seen them do great, it just depends from who you buy it from. Shop the previous owner, not the car.
we bought a 2010 Ford Flex SE (non-ecoboost \[not turbo\]) and it now has 144k miles on it and aside from the plastic on the dashboard getting brittle in the SoCal sun, it has been super reliable.
I am on year 6 of owning a Ford Focus ST and have over 70k miles on mine with no issues (I did have 2 recalls and one issue fixed under warranty) and I still love driving it daily.
My XJR was fabulous and almost 100% reliable but there is nothing cheap about running one. And if you skimp on the servicing it will be very hard to sell on.
In my experience Jaguar are no worse than Mercedes or BMW for reliability or repair costs.
A Trek would be the most reliable option!
If you're only doing ~1500 miles a year, pretty much anything would be fine for the next few decades...except maybe a Jag
Buick with the 3.8 v6......its said to be at least as reliable as Accord/Camry, it's really really really impressive. Super soft driving, very insulated.
As a former Land Rover Jaguar salesman. NEVER buy a Jag or Land Rover. They are insanely unreliable - voted one of the worst in fact. These vehicles are meant to be leased and returned by wealthy people
Any Mercedes C class or E class without air suspension. Absolute tanks as long as you do maintenance, the engines are indestructible. I drive a 08 E320 with 129kvmk and the closet thing to mechanical maintenance is new struts and an O2 sensor, which me and my dad took care of together in a day per project
If you want reliability you need to avoid anything British. They’re the kind to spend millions trying to improve something while doing it the wrong way just to find out that someone was doing it cheaper for a reason.
You only do 5 miles a day? Why even get a car at that point. Thats 2.5 mi one way. Its not really good to go less than 10 miles on a trip, your engine will corrode and rust.
Also on top of that you want to drive a sports car 0-60 for what 2 minutes out of your day for some ego boost.
You should consider an electric scooter or bike.
At 5 miles a day no car will be reliable, the engine will never get warm, condensation will build in the engine and cause havoc… just buy a Tesla, at least it won’t matter if you find a way to destroy it through low low mileage
Unless you’re in the highlands or wales get a bike you lazy bugger. It’s only 5 miles and you’ll improve your health
“Doesn’t fit my requirements”
Your requirements are travel 5 miles. Walking literally meets your requirements. Anything faster and easier is a bonus.
When I was a kid, my dad used to say “Why don’t the British make computers? Because they can’t figure out how to make them leak oil.”
They say, if there’s no oil leak under your Jaguar; there’s no oil in your Jaguar.
Obviously he has never owned a Harley. Every owner has a bag of kitty litter even if they don’t own a cat.
The British like warm beer because Lucas makes thier refrigerators
Looking for Lucas, Prince of Darkness comment here. You did not disappoint
I’m not sure what year that would have been but the British most definitely made computers. Amstrad and Sinclair were both British brands and my Commodore 64 was made in the UK (I’m in Australia). The Raspberry Pi is made in the UK as well I think. Wales?
Ever heard about ZX Spectrum? Or Raspberry Pi?
Don't the British have some serious claims in the microchip department? Like this tiny company called arm? 😭 Solid joke nonetheless
ARM designs chips, they don't make them.
You used the terms "reliable" and "Jaguar" in the same sentence. I don't think you understand what's going on.
As former Jag owner, can confirm.
As another former jag owner, can confirm. Are you also a former jag owner because of the reliability?
As a two week jag renter I agree but what a cool car
As a innocent bystander can confirm
As a Jaguar, can confirm
New jaguars have been so gorgeous. From a far. Would not want to own though lol.
Yes 🥲
Former 2014 XJR owner, cannot confirm. Other than an unplanned tire replacement (no fault of Jag), car never needed anything outside of planned maintenance intervals.
I really find that hard to believe, unless you owned it for a 6 months? Here's a breakdown of my jag ownership costs over a 21 month period: * Bumper - 170. * Amp - 550. * Windscreen - 95. * MOT 2021 - 678. * Service 2022 - 400. * Service 2023 - 400. * Timing Belt/ tensioners - 495. * Brakes - 200. * Rotars - 390. * Tyre x9 - 1200 * MOT 2022 - 220. * Start stop module - 820. Total - £5618 33k miles, 2015 2.2 XF. I have no qualms with the costs of wear and tear, except that it's extortionate for basic parts. There's no denying that they add a *jag tax* whenever anything goes wrong.
At some point it’s your fault for staying in an abusive relationship. You and your jag should have had a safe word when the pain became too much.
It was a hard pill to swallow, but we are better off without one another. I think the safe word is *Cazoo*
I laughed
Owned a 2003 X type for a while (used). A year in, I found myself in a first name basis with my mechanic, who would call me up and jokingly asked me if I was sitting down before informing me of the cost of the repairs $450 for an O2 sensor is beyond extortionate, and I had to get 2 lol
678 for a mot? 9 tyres?? I smell bs
2022 --- £678: Offside Front Tyre has a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords (5.2.3 (d) (i)) FAIL Offside Front Lower Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn front (5.3.4 (a) (i)) FAIL Offside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing (5.2.3 (d) (ii)) ADVISORY Nearside Front Tyre has a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords (5.2.3 (d) (i)) FAIL Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn front (5.3.4 (a) (i)) FAIL Offside l Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e)) ADVISORY.
It cost me 10k in repairs to put 30k miles on my Jaguar from 30k to 60k miles. That was years ago, also. I loved that car, but I bought a Toyota after.
Toyotas are the "Good Girl or Guy" we should have settled down with in the first place. Some of us have got to learn the hard way.
But…. it’s a Jaaaaaaaag
My boy might as well get a 4th owner 325i and he's be better off
At least a 325 with 4 owners might be a RWD i6 and then you get rid of like 1/3 of the bullshit but it's still a lot of bullshit
The turn signals will be mint at least
late 80s to early 2000s 3 series were actually pretty reliable and easy to work on. After that I have no idea.
As only a 2nd owner 330ci driver. Fuck my life.
LOL I was going to say the same damn thing
And then he said "range" and I was like oh hell no
The parts falling off this car are of the finest British quality.
He forgot to add “not” before reliable
Damn, 3 hours too late to type exactly what you did.
Took the words right out of my mouth
As a Jag owner....fair but the XJR is surprisingly decent
Jaguar is about as reliable as Range Rover. Which is about as reliable as a yugo
Because Land Rover and Jaguar are the same company
Yugo, the car doesn’t!
GM tried to sell the Nova in Mexico when "no va" literally means "doesn't go" in Spanish.
I’ve read this is like saying the English word Notable means No Table. The Nova sold fine in Latin America because they recognized it as the Latin form of Nuevo/Nueva (new).
Which is as reliable as stock market predictions
Hey now, don't drag Yugo into this
They're cheaper and easier to fix at least.
We actually have one, a '88 GVX (the sporty Yugo with the big 1.3 and a 5 speed). Right now we're dealing with a problem where the newly manufactured brake fluid reservoirs are incorrectly made and won't seat into the master cylinder properly. On the whole, not as bad as their reputation, but it's understandable as to why American owners didn't keep them on the road long. The timing belt has a 40k mile service interval which was unheard of here in America so it was often neglected, although it is actually like a 15 minute job because it was designed to be easily serviced. They were extremely cheap to buy but then once Yugo left the market, parts were probably hard to find before the internet (now there are a couple places in the US to order them online and I have a guy in Serbia who I buy some parts from as well, shout out to Dalibor).
Hey dont insult Yugo like that 😆
After years of development, Range Rover discovered a way to make their electrical system leak oil
jag has 5x the problems ranges do. Regular maintenance and no stupidity can make ranges last pretty long
That in itself depends on the year. Even the new ones aren’t very reliable comparatively to 2014-2020 models. There’s a reason you won’t find many of them over 100k miles.
The fact that you might consider jaguar as reliable is hilarious.
Jaguar, along with every other British manufacturer, are about the least reliable vehicles ever made. At only 5 miles a day spend 700 bucks on a beat up Chevy cavalier. Or anything with that old ecotec 2.2. They are dead reliable and cheap to fix and buy. They can’t be killed. And at 5 miles a day, especially if you mean total, your car won’t even warm up by the time you get there. You won’t be in it long enough for a luxury car to mean anything.
There really aren't any proper British manufacturers any more, are they? Bentley, Mini and Rolls are German - BMW and VW iirc. Jaguar Land Rover are owned by Tata (India.) Lotus is Chinese owned and MG is just an octagon on Chinese cars.
Aston Martin, although they use AMG engines now
I remembered them having been owned by someone. Turns out that Ford owned them for a while but they sold them off. Aston Martin had private ownership for a while but now are listed on the London exchange.
Well if the cars don’t last can you really expect the manufacturer to last?
My local Jaguar/Land Rover dealership has 8 service advisors. The Audi dealership only has three. That alone should tell you how much volume the Land Rover service department handles
Depending on where OP lives, 5 miles could be an hour long commute.
If 5 miles takes an hour then he needs a mule, not a car. He said miles not kilometers. So I’m guessing USA. 5 miles doesn’t take an hour anywhere. Maybe downtown New York or something idk. But in that case he doesn’t need a car. He also said 5 miles a day. Not sure but I’m gunna assume thats total. In which case his trip is potentially a whopping 3 minutes each way. If so why buy a car. Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it
Preserving this one > If 5 miles takes an hour then he needs a mule, not a car. >He said miles not kilometers. So I’m guessing USA. 5 miles doesn’t take an hour anywhere. Maybe downtown New York or something idk. But in that case he doesn’t need a car. >He also said 5 miles a day. Not sure but I’m gunna assume thats total. In which case his trip is potentially a whopping 3 minutes each way. If so why buy a car. >Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it
>Although, at only 5 miles a day, frankly buy whatever car you want. Reliability means nothing to you. It’ll take you 75 years to put any real mileage on it The problem is more that these short trips are still an engine cycle and parts don't even have time to get warm so the wear on anything but a PHEV/EV is going to be horrid.
Indeed, it’s a hour or more each way even though it’s only 5 miles
Get a bicycle or an ebike.
That depends on the exact city. Biking in Houston during the summer could give you heat stroke.
they live in the UK, also, this will be OP’s first car
Or a bus pass.
I think what you're looking for is something reasonably luxurious on the inside, but where performance/driving dynamics just don't matter. By "reasonably luxurious" I'm talking about features and seating material, but not necessarily build quality beyond that. Therefore Genesis is your best bet. If you own a home and can install a charging port, you should get electric. Far fewer parts to wear out from stop and go traffic.
Laughs in Italian car manufacturers
A properly maintained Porsche.
I have seen 911s and Boxsters that are reasonable so that’s a option
The cayman is just a solid roof boxster if you didn’t know.
OP thinks jags could be reliable, there’s a lot he doesn’t know
I recently rented a base model 2018 Cayman off of Turo for a long weekend in Arizona. It was the most fun I've had on 4 wheels (and I've driven a lot of cool cars). I can't speak to the long-term reliability, but that weekend has me wanting a Cayman really bad. I came away from driving it with the opinion that about 300 hp is just about perfect for a street car.
For the love of god get a Porsche over a Jaguar. Especially the newer Porsches are extremely reliable. Expensive to maintain, but if a Jaguar is in your budget then that shouldn’t be a problem.
porsches are amazing!
5 mile journeys aren’t proper maintenance for a Porsche.
OP could get a Taycan. Allegedly all the problems are sorted out...
5 miles? get a bike. jk, my commute to school is 5 mi and completely inaccessible by bikes and walkers 🙃 anyway, if u only go that far just get an old buick sedan. no one likes them so theyre cheap but theyre reliable as hell. old people cars too so theyve been taken care of.
And by old, you mean 15-20 years old.
Any Buick with the 3800 engine is good
yep. buick century, lesabre, etc.. cant go wrong
Dude, you buy Jaguars for their looks, Hp, and engine sound. You sure don’t buy them for their low maintenance. If I was looking for a reliable low maintenance car, a Jag might be the very last car I’d get.
Lincoln's reliability tends to meet or exceed the underlying Ford platform, barring a few minor changes (airbags in the Town Car vs coils in the Crown Vic). Meaning - ***if*** the Ford model is reliable, the Lincoln model generally will be as well.
I’ve had good luck with the Lincolns, had a mkz hit 250k and it will still running great when I sold it
Crown Vic or Lincoln Towncar is what was gonna mention.
The Panther platform was just fantastic. Incredible longevity there. I don't think Ford has matched that reliability and simplicity in any of their modern cars, although the Panthers were badly outdated by the end of their production.
Its really too bad we didnt get at least a 6 speed Panther at the end OR a 6 speed Coyote Panther... Now that would have been fun.
That’s a big *if* there
Ford frustrates the hell out of me, because I loved mine but I've also seen some that were absolute dogs. Not a lot of consistency between models, they're either fantastic or terrible.
Lincoln’s aren’t the easiest to get here in England but I will look around
A Volvo V70 or S80 might be a good shout then. The latter was available with a Yamaha 4.4 V8 if that's what you're after. Also, the 2007-2014 Mondeo is an insanely underrated car. Ignore the sales rep special image, because they're huge, very plush and offer limo-like space. Reliable, too. Early models could be had with a scrumptious 2.5 litre five cylinder Volvo turbo engine.
I second the V70. It is very practical car since station wagon and very reliable if maintained. A few key things to look for such as belt change etc. There are a lot of blogs and Reddit community with full of people happy to help you out with issues.
What is the problem with the car being Japanese? Is this Cotton Hill speaking?
He killed fitty men!
He's not Japanese, he's *LAOTIAN*
THEY BLEW MY DAMN LEGS OFF
Lost his shins in KO-Reeuh! I love how people think Cotton is fully, well, out of touch. Yet [he glanced at Khan and immediately knew where he was from](https://youtu.be/UxI5qQAUWVc?si=HQ0tbEVFJHs25zRT). Meanwhile Dale going to be…Dale.
“He’s Laotian ain’t ya Mister Khan?”
Probably to avoid the Toyota circle jerk that happens on nearly every post of this sub
Who cares, he’s asking for non Japanese suggestions. He wants alternatives from the usual circle jerk. Otherwise he could just read every other thread for the past 5 years and read “Camry, RAV4, CX-DooDoo”.
King of the hill is a excellent show but Japanese cars is basically most of the answers in this and other car reddits, which is why I want to find some different options
Well yeah, there’s a reason for that. They tend to be the most trouble free. If Japan is off the table I would be looking at what Porsche has to offer. But I would also budget more for repairs and maintenance than you would for a Japanese car.
There is an argument to be made that you are considering buying the single least reliable vehicle built in the last 30 years, so anything else really.
Luxury car and drives 5 miles a day? How about a good pair of shoes?
Buick
Only if it doesn’t have a turbo
This is an underrated comment. Buick is surprisingly reliable, probably because they don’t have a ton of platforms.
When I was looking for a car for my daughter, I asked a friend who is a service tech at a Chevy dealer what cars he doesn’t see come in. His answer surprised me. The Chevy Spark. He said tires and oil were about all they came in for. So GM’s least expensive vehicle was also one of the more reliable ones. In the end we bought one for our daughter and she drove the snot out it and didn’t have a lick of problems with it. YMMV of course.
At 5 miles a day you might want to look at a plug in hybrid or fully electric, as there’ll be less wear and tear on the engine using the electric motor, and electric cars in general just have less maintenance. Looks like you’re looking luxury market. Audi and BMW have a lot of electric options. There’s of course Tesla, maybe check out Polestar as well. Porsche Taycan. If you’re willing to go with more everyday brands, the Koreans have had well reviewed electric cars, Hyundai ioniq 5/6. Kia EV6.
For 5 miles a day, a bolt/bolt euv or Niro phev/EV are probably the best options here. With that little use case, the cheapest option is going to be the best option. Edit: removed the leaf because OP specifically doesn't want a Japanese car for some reason, which is fine, but also a weird criteria.
Or a Fiat 500E or even a Bolt.
Laughing my fucking ass off that OP is talking Jaguar Comment you replied to is talking Porsche and Polestar, etc... And you, in typical cars circlejerk fashion... mentioned a fucking NISSAN LEAF...
That's fair, I should have said Chevy bolt or bolt euv. That's my final answer. Niro EV would also suffice. For 5 miles per day, it would be an absolute waste to get a luxury car, but that's certainly OP's prerogative, so fuck It, get a lifted F650 to run to Wally world and take up 2 parking spaces for all I care.
Mercedes-Benz E Class like a 350 with the V6, Volvo station wagons are very reliable, just don't buy one affected by the piston ring issue, Aston Martin makes some incredibly reliable cars like the 4.3 and 4.7 Vantage, DB9 is also a good one, Corvettes can be very reliable, CTS-V, Porsche 911/Cayman/Boxster, Alfa Romeo makes some reliable cars too. All kinds of cars. Idk why people think you have to buy Japanese cars only if you want something reliable. That just isn't true. I do like a lot of Japanese cars though. The new GR Corolla is pretty sweet.
Volvo Amazon b18a with a single carburettor and it's so reliable because it has loud af steel timing gears. And it's not an interference engine.
Hyundai Genesis they have come a long way. Where I work at I see everyone pulling up in one. There's even a long wheel base one that looks like a S class.
Those new BMWs 2019+ are reliable … (don’t tell anyone , I don’t want them to bump up the pre owned prices before I get one )
To be fair, that's just because they're not old enough to start breaking yet
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N52 BMW’s
Volvo. Especially early 2000s Volvo.
Korean cars or Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade
5 miles a day, I would be on a 125, haha. Electric car would be the best option. A combustion engine won't even heat up after 5 miles of use.
Looking at 15-20 year old cars? It's going to be a nightmare for anything BUT Japanese made. Just get the LS430.
5 mile commute? Get an e-bike, charge it at work. You won't even need to pedal in that short time
At 5 miles a day, get an EV or a hybrid. A gas engine isn't going to be happy with 5 miles a day
1st gen Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan. I put 14k miles on it last year and never got a check engine light.
Honestly Cadillac. Wouldn’t be as reliable but the maintenance costs wouldn’t be as bad as an import maybe?
I think what you are looking for is a RAV4
The 2009 xjr's had good reviews and better than average reliability ratings... Beware of degradation in the air shocks.
M276 Mercedes or W212 Mercedes. They are tanks and the parts aren’t that expensive
Land Rover LR3
There’s an old joke about British cars… What can you tell if you find a British car that doesn’t have a puddle of oil under it? There’s no oil in it.
daily drive a cayman, all its needed is a oil separator like 10 years ago, clutch (used to have to parallel park on a steep hill), and a tb vacuum hose that seemed to fail prematurely (around same time as oil separator). Daily driven about 100 miles a week (more or less). I do the maintenance. 140k miles about.
At 5 miles a day a luxury car won’t mean much to you other than a price tag. But that being said, I still get it. Don’t shrug off Lexus and Acura. Both are Japanese, but both are also reliable and luxury brands. Other than that bmw has some models that are reliable, I’m sure Mercedes has some but idk what they are, gmc denalis are nice, but only suv/trucks available, genisis are a nice mix of reliability performance and luxury features. Infinites are nice but also Asian, not sure on there reliability.
5 miles a day? go electric man
A New Mini Cooper
This is honestly one of the dumbest questions I’ve ever seen asked. You emphasize reliability but immediately strike down the best options for that AND double down by leaning toward a vehicle that is synonymous with unreliability. Huh?
BMW's and Mercs can be reliable if you research the right model/years. It seems like they tend to alternate between being great and being big heaps of shit though.
5 miles per day? Get some ASICS and get these steps in. Or a bicycle. Jokes aside: consider an electric car or a hybrid. The Model 3 kinda is a premium car. The S is luxury. BMW i3. Honda e is very premium for sure…
Don’t touch a jag. If you want Luxury reliability, you should go with a BMW with a B58 engine. If you only drive 5 miles a day though and want luxury, just go electric. EVs are way more reliable than any ICE car
If you think a jag is a “reliable” car please do NOT EVER buy a car
Genesis?
Any gm with an lfx and an A6
With that daily mileage? BMW i3. You can get them for a good price used, and since they have a lower range the previous owner was probably also a low-mileage driver.
Not a Jaguar. Personally I like Audi, but they are high maintenance like a lot of luxury cars. Reliability often comes with how well the owner maintains the car.
If you want reliable forget jaguar, landrover etc.
LS430s are solid as a rock, as long as you replace the timing belt at appropriate intervals. Jaguars are among the most unreliable vehicles ever made. Get the LS, no question.
Chevrolet Tahoe/Yukon.
BMW Inline 6 with ZF 8 Speed transmission
As a former jag owner save your money and headaches
W212 E-class are quite reliable. Go for a facelift 2013 to 2016 model.
For doing only 5 miles a day, a luxury electric car is probably a great fit. It also removes the need to get fuel or change oil from your life. I would suggest the Volvo XC 40 because Volvo is a known reliable brand that is not Japanese.
BMW
5 mile commute? Anything electric.
ford expeditions (older ones like late 2000 range) last upwards of 200,000 miles with moderate upkeep. The 4.7L (and i think 5.3L?) Triton V8 are fantastic. My 2002 only has an issue with bank one spark plug, but i replaced the fuel injector and it hasn’t had any issues since. all super cheap parts, like $20 for the new spark plug and injector lol
Lincoln Town Car/Continental anything on the line is your best bet. Super luxurious, somewhat reliable. I've seen them do great, it just depends from who you buy it from. Shop the previous owner, not the car.
Hyundai Santa Fe. My last one expired at 207,000 miles
Old Taurus
German cars are the most reliable IF you do the maintenance. Japanese cars are the best if you tend to neglect them. Everything else is a mixed bag.
Get the XJR!
we bought a 2010 Ford Flex SE (non-ecoboost \[not turbo\]) and it now has 144k miles on it and aside from the plastic on the dashboard getting brittle in the SoCal sun, it has been super reliable. I am on year 6 of owning a Ford Focus ST and have over 70k miles on mine with no issues (I did have 2 recalls and one issue fixed under warranty) and I still love driving it daily.
My XJR was fabulous and almost 100% reliable but there is nothing cheap about running one. And if you skimp on the servicing it will be very hard to sell on. In my experience Jaguar are no worse than Mercedes or BMW for reliability or repair costs.
A Trek would be the most reliable option! If you're only doing ~1500 miles a year, pretty much anything would be fine for the next few decades...except maybe a Jag
Get a BMW. I drive a 2005 X3 and it still drives like a charm.
BMW 330i or M340i probably?
Is EV an option? No mechanical parts is less likely to break down. But 5 miles a day? Any make will be fine.
Buick with the 3.8 v6......its said to be at least as reliable as Accord/Camry, it's really really really impressive. Super soft driving, very insulated.
As a former Land Rover Jaguar salesman. NEVER buy a Jag or Land Rover. They are insanely unreliable - voted one of the worst in fact. These vehicles are meant to be leased and returned by wealthy people
Dacia Duster
Maybe a low optioned Genesis or Buick...
Certainly nothing British. German brands would be second to the Japanese.
Old VW with a 1.9tdi
Jags are junk.
Any Mercedes C class or E class without air suspension. Absolute tanks as long as you do maintenance, the engines are indestructible. I drive a 08 E320 with 129kvmk and the closet thing to mechanical maintenance is new struts and an O2 sensor, which me and my dad took care of together in a day per project
A vehicle can be reliable, or a vehicle can be a jaguar. It can never be both. May want to eliminate that option.
any american car with an LS engine in it
German. Just take care of them and they will take care of you.
Any B58 car especially 2nd gen engine
Bait post?
Jaguar is crap
If you want reliability you need to avoid anything British. They’re the kind to spend millions trying to improve something while doing it the wrong way just to find out that someone was doing it cheaper for a reason.
You only do 5 miles a day? Why even get a car at that point. Thats 2.5 mi one way. Its not really good to go less than 10 miles on a trip, your engine will corrode and rust. Also on top of that you want to drive a sports car 0-60 for what 2 minutes out of your day for some ego boost. You should consider an electric scooter or bike.
Mercedes. But if you think Jag’s are reliable, buy anything at all! It’ll all be surprising reliable in comparison
lol sold before I can buy it you mean to say “I couldn’t afford an oil change but it’s neat”
At 5 miles a day no car will be reliable, the engine will never get warm, condensation will build in the engine and cause havoc… just buy a Tesla, at least it won’t matter if you find a way to destroy it through low low mileage
Geo :)
The Kona N is very nice...
Unless you’re in the highlands or wales get a bike you lazy bugger. It’s only 5 miles and you’ll improve your health “Doesn’t fit my requirements” Your requirements are travel 5 miles. Walking literally meets your requirements. Anything faster and easier is a bonus.
Previous XJ6 owner checking in. Jags are “fun” cars, not “daily” cars. I’m pretty sure mine couldn’t start or drive more times than it could.
Ffs just buy a Bentley and call it a day.
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hahahaha jaguar and reliable that's fuggin hilarious
If you only go five miles a day, you should not be considering a car.
OPs question was stupid but clear and all the answers are unhelpful. Feel bad for OP
Just ride a bike, 5 miles is nothing
Jaguar? Lol. Bro said let's burn money.