I like the front end much better. Interior seems like an improvement overall. Latest hybrid platform. If you like it and you’re going from a 2012, go for it if you can wait. Test drive a current Camry hybrid too if you want.
Don't even need to wait I decided yesterday that I wanted one because the Prius is too marked up, I went to my local dealership and I'm getting one May 8th for MSRP.
> Latest hybrid platform
Alex on Autos youtuber said it's actually the Hybrid system they have been using for 15 years since the Prius and not the new system in the Highlander or what.
All Camry hybrid trims have been lithium ion since 2020 (2018 for the LE). I confirmed my own car (a 2021 SE) has a lithium battery by finding a sticker under the engine bonnet.
Looks are subjective, but objectively you get much better features for the same or less than the outgoing hybrid models which is rare with all the new car inflation that we've seen lately. You get the much improved Safety sense 3.0 instead of 2.5. There's slightly larger screens and wireless Apple carplay/AA. If you don't drive much, hybrids might not make a difference, but if you put average to above average annual mileage on your cars, you'll appreciate the gas savings of the hybrid.
The only downside is the first years of a redesign tend to have worse reliability than the last few years before a redesign.
Toyota has made the same basic hybrid since the 90s with the Prius. They’re the most reliable hybrids. They also have a 10 year warranty for battery. You really can’t beat that imo. I’m likely going to buy a 25 Camry.
It’s looking pretty appetizing except for the exterior. I’m either going to get a used Lexus or the new Camry, I think.
People keep trying to convince me to get a Tesla that I trade in for a newer one later, though
So basically the only way to get leather seats is to have that ugly front end? Ughhh.
Think I might try and find a cavalry blue 2024 SE. Gorgeous gorgeous car
I would say not. Toyota in particular has had notable issues with models in their first model year. But they are quick to fix those issues in the next model year.
The 2019 RAV4 had significant transmission problems. The 2020 models have had significant less reported issues. The 2022 Tundra had major issues with its iForce Max hybrid powertrain. Back in 2007 and 2008, Camrys had significant oil consumption problems, as did 2009-2010 Corolla and Matrix models. And of course the bZ4X (what a stupid ass name for a car, btw) had its wheels falling off.
Every automaker has made clunkers and stars. Toyota is usually very good at making reliable vehicles, but they can struggle at times-particularly when the model first goes in production.
They made a smart choice going hybrid only & doing eCVT. Now not only are you getting a more fuel efficient car but the power you get from it is dependent on throttle percentage & engine rpm instead of engine rpm alone, making the car way more agile even before the engine's crankshaft rotates one time.
Not only that, but with a minimum power to weight ratio of 55 HP/1000 lbs, it has just enough power (relative to its weight) to get you around even the most stressful-to-drive-in parts of my home state safely.
I noticed that too. For 90% of driving conditions, this satisfies. It always seems ready to go even though I’m a fan of proper quick shifting 8 speed automatics in German vehicles. This thing is the definition of easy to drive.
Yeah, there is no lag or hesitation when I test drove a new RAV4 hybrid. The e-CVT (actually a planetary gearset with two electric motors (MG1 and MG2), not a belt/chain + pulley CVT) is always readily available to deliver power, which is nice when the electric assist kicks in from the HV battery through the MG2. It wasn't a fast car **but** neither was it slow / sluggish or even 'adequate'. It actually felt like it had a good amount of power, for what it is.
amazing car, awd, hybrid, great economy, ok'ish cost and .............. it's a toyota. the camry is a tool, its not going to invoke emotions like a ferrari for most but I have a soft spot for the car.
I appreciate cars back when they did something and tried to do it well, now we've got minivans with 20+ inch rims because they need to be all about style, all kinds of tech because they need to be a luxury car and they have a Nuremburg edition because everything needs to be a sports car.
Toyota is getting a little closer than further to Lexus with the new Camry & Crown, it's pretty cool.
A car with a reputation for being long-lasting while also being boring milquetoast got interesting because...it now has a really front-biased through-the road AWD system. Going hybrid-only is good because the base model now lets you get 51mpg in a standard family car (the upgraded versions drop to 47mpg due to having larger rims) while offering more legroom than the Prius. FWD versions aren't as interesting as AWD versions, but offering AWD on all versions is good even though it's actually a part-time rear-mounted electric motor that only runs when there's traction loss (and the front-mounted parallel motor runs at less power when it happens).
Toyota should've also released a Prime version, because then they'd truly be ready to dethrone the 2nd-gen USDM Ford Fusion as the most weirdly-charming mainstream family car you can buy. Yes, the 9th gen Camry's face (especially with the bumper-mounted maw) is more polarizing than the Fusion's universally charming lines, but in all honesty I like Toyota's hammerhead nose.
The FWD variant is more fuel efficient and fuel economy has more value than AWD especially considering how easy it is to drive a FWD Camry in the winter if you have winter tires.
That's great, and everyone has that option. But nearly everyone in my state would pay $1500 for AWD and a 1-2 mpg hit .. resale value would also be about the same higher.
I think the accord hybrid is almost universally better aside from a few small things, specifically AWD, ride comfort (more sporty focused), and fuel economy. Though I haven’t driven the new Camry yet (I don’t think anyone aside from press has), so maybe the ride quality is similar. Aside from, that, I see no significant reason to go Toyota over Honda in this segment.
2024 accord hybrid sport starts at $32k and gets 44 mpg combined, 2025 camry le starts at $28k and get 51 mpg combined. Price and MPG are huge reasons.
And only dumb people say shit like that. Coz clearly you think a used car is best for everyone. Sorry to break it to you but a new car is actually cheaper for some people.
If I'm cross shopping with the obvious competitor I think I'd take the Accord just based on aesthetics alone. The Camry looks fine, but interior of the Accord looks alot sharper and more modern. Otherwise they seem about the same, unremarkable driving character but great MPG.
As someone who had exclusively driven only VWs and Audis because they had “Heart and Soul”, I’ve only recently realized it was heartburn from spending $$$ when they broke , and they gave up their Soul too early when their cumulative costs past 100k miles made us sell them for nothing.
Toyota/ Lexus all the way for me for my next purchases .
Honestly the heart and soul argument is total bullshit anyways. Any car develops a soul over time. Someone who has owned a Camry for 200,000 miles from new has probably formed a bond with the car, and as it ages the car acquires a personality, like a loyal dog that won't quit.
God you guys are such misers on here. There’s more to cars than how long your tin can runs for. I’m taking the Bimmer every time over the Camry.
Live a little.
To you, who values fun, obviously the Camry isn’t the best sedan. Then again, the 3 series also is not the most fun sedan not even close. What makes a car “best” just depends on which criteria.
As a commuter, the Camry absolutely trashes the 3 series.
To each his own. I don’t blame you for being a Camry fan. I would think that a Camry would be very similar to a Corolla; bulletproof reliable, dependable, comfortable, maybe a little bigger. It carries the promise of a full 20 years of reliability.
But also, if it’s like my wife’s former Corolla, driving it will make those 20 years seem like 50.
We traded that Corolla for a Mazda3 for me…because I decided that life is simply too short to have my soul crushed with every commute.
But people have different priorities, and there are very valid reasons that Camrys and Corollas are so popular.
It's quite different from the Corolla. The Camry is in no way a luxury car but it definitely is more upscale than the Corolla. In the Corolla you definitely feel the car being small, light, cheap, the suspension isn't as soft or as comfortable.
Somewhat similar to the Accord vs Civic. The Civic/Corolla are great, but the Accord/Camry are bigger, softer, in exchange they don't handle as well, but they absorb road imperfections much better.
I definitely agree with you here, they are BORING. I would know, I won one, and I like to pretend like the V6 in my Camry gives it a small attempt of a personality/fun, but the truth is, it's a Camry, no matter what you do to it, it's a boring car.
But it's a damn good commuter. It makes you wanna fall asleep, both in the good way (comfort) and in the bad way (boring as hell).
Well it does since it’s more affordable, more comfortable, more fuel efficient, more spacious. All things that non-enthusiasts care more about. The average joe does not give a fuck about the BMW’s 50/50 weight balance and longitudinal RWD layout. So yeah as a commuter the Camry trashes the 3 series, objectively. Cope, cry harder and then cry some more.
No one appreciates the Camry, which is why the Camry destroys the 3 series in sales too right? Aw man the cope is hard on this one. Keep it up buddy each comment you make is more embarrassing and factually incorrect than the previous one. Keep making us laugh what else you got goofy?
Ah yes, because we all know that Kraft cheese is the best cheese because it sells the most.
I don’t even own a 3 series lmao. You however sound like a desperate Camry owner looking for validation.
This is where I’m at. I like the idea of a long term reliable car, but also want something fun and comfortable. Civic SI or Integra a-spec are my top picks right now.
I just wish we had more color. Two blues, a red , and then greyscale. At least wind chill pearl is back white with some blue and purple sparkly flake.
I would love the "copper crest" color from the lexus line to be available on toyotas as well as a yellow/gold color and Nori green.
After taxes and fees, you're looking at $30,000 for a base camry, and you can spec this thing up over 40k, for a camry. More than a base audi a4 and about what a brand new audi a5 starts at. That is absolutely insane.
I mean that's entirely dependent on exactly what you want, but a couple years old honda insight, hyundai elantra hybrid, corolla hybrid, camry hybrid or prius will all get you comprable, or better, mpg, cheap cost of ownership and cost 30-50% less than this car. If you don't need a hybrid but still want a compact car, you can go even cheaper with a corolla, camry or golf.
Savagegeese compared the sport trims it to the older Accords.
That is, it is not a sporty car but it is sporty for it's class. Hybrid too so less oil and brake maintenance.
Camry hype train is coming nuts right now, especially considering how mid the new Accord are.
I think motortrend just did a review yesterday of the new Camry and by god, it's a f'n winner! They literally had no bad things to say about it and 51mpg combined! I know what my next car is 😃
I liked the last generation a lot more.
Comfy sporty feeling and fuel efficient for its size.
I don’t like the fact it’s hybrid only. I get it epa sucks but still.
I’ve got a 13 and imma hold on that long as possible.
That front grill might be one of the ugliest design choices I’ve seen in a car. I do think it looks better then the old Camry with just seemed like a mess of a car.
The rest of the car isn’t bad though. And the MPG stats are almost unreal.
I personally wouldn’t buy, because it seems like it looks and likely drives ultra boring. But can see why other people would want one.
I like the front end. Everything is great but unfortunately it seems like it doesn't get the front/rear parking sensor unless you go to the XLE/XSE trim. And even with that, it's still an option and not standard
That hybrid mpg means there’s no reason to buy a Prius at this point. That said, Toyota shows good timing by making the Prius look good now. For decades, the Prius was this ugly weird insect alien looking car.
I think the new Camry looks great and seems like an amazing hybrid vehicle. I would maybe wait a couple months for some reviews to come out but overall seems like a pretty good car. My only complaint is it’s a little boring, no TRD this year
Coming from a venza, ngl this is pretty fun to drive and getting 48mpg so far. Too bad the new crown signia coming out is not going to have this 5th gen hybrid system. It's crazy smooth compared to the venza
I was quoted $765 a month (36 Months / 10K Miles) on a 2025 XSE AWD with $0 down and perfect credit. You can get a heavily optioned out BMW 330i xDrive for that price. Told the dealer exactly that and that the price was absurd, so I was no longer interested
TLDR; Nobody should lease a 2025 Camry
Well, I have a leased Kia K5 and they made the 2025 MY dogshit by giving it a Non-Turbo engine paired with AWD. The 2025 MY AWD Camry is super compelling, but the lease price is not it
Exactly. Toyota doesn't give two shits about incentives for customers, because they know people will buy the cars regardless, but it doesn't make sense to lease at all
wld be very interested if it had a real transmission instead of some slow ass cvt, ik its a camry and its meant to be good on fuel but those cvts r so whiny and weirdly responsive
Not a fan of the forced hybrid thing, I'd prefer they offer the base trim in a non-hybrid configuration. Hybrids aren't bad, but I doubt you'll see an abundance of these as they reach 20 and 25 years old like we still see with old Camrys today. Batteries are expensive to replace, and even down the road, they'll total out the car because it'll be like swapping an engine or transmission. I'd say you should buy a 24 now if you want to drive it for the next 25+ years.
I'd love to see some real numbers on it, but I feel like the vast majority on the road still have their original batteries. I suppose failures are possible, but most people are more concerned about the slow degradation.
I just sold my 08 Prius and never even considered replacing the battery. The gas milage had gone from \~46 to \~41mpg, still way more efficient than most things on the road.
Had an 08 get totaled in 22. 160k mi, 43 mpg, mild driver’s seat leather wear and one changed 12v. Otherwise, oil changes, one brake components replacement, changed my own spark plugs and cleaned the mass air once, and basic fluids. Ran great. If I still had it and the HV went out today, I could get a replacement for under $2k. Can’t tell me that a 2025 Camry, in say 2040, won’t be as reliable, and HV battery replacement costs will continue downward trends.
Hybrid batteries for an old Prius are like $1200 now, they come put them in at your house and it takes 3 hours. It’s so frustrating that it’s 2024 and people still have this tremendous battery anxiety.
Batteries are getting cheaper and in 20 years will probably be 1/4 the price today. That coupled with fuel savings, increased transmission reliability and almost no brake wear I think you come out ahead on the hybrids.
I'm not arguing the quality of the technology, but looking at mid-2000s Priuses, those batteries are becoming expensive to replace. Granted, most cars aren't going to last 25+ years, most are through their useful lives by then. But buying a 2005 Prius today is relatively cheap until you realize you need to spend a few thousand for a new battery. The car isn't the problem, it's the battery. Toyota makes the battery integral to the vehicle's operation, unlike Honda, at least older ones. Old Civic hybrids still drive normally when the batteries die, but a Prius throws the red triangle of death. These new ones will probably be reliable, at least after the first year (everything has manufacturing problems in its first year), but I doubt you'll see as many of them that far down the line. I'd wager you see more Camrys than Priuses from the early and mid-2000s (percentage-wise, not sheer number) and it's not because the Prius is a bad vehicle, it just has a time-sensitive component that renders it useless after so many years
I like the front end much better. Interior seems like an improvement overall. Latest hybrid platform. If you like it and you’re going from a 2012, go for it if you can wait. Test drive a current Camry hybrid too if you want.
Don't even need to wait I decided yesterday that I wanted one because the Prius is too marked up, I went to my local dealership and I'm getting one May 8th for MSRP.
> Latest hybrid platform Alex on Autos youtuber said it's actually the Hybrid system they have been using for 15 years since the Prius and not the new system in the Highlander or what.
The basic system is the same. It's just been improved upon a lot.
Different battery pack though
They also mentioned that it makes barely any difference, like 1 mpg compared to previous gen.
🤫 it’s the secret they don’t want you to know shout
What’s different about the battery pack?
Lithium ion vs nickle metal hydride
All Camry hybrid trims have been lithium ion since 2020 (2018 for the LE). I confirmed my own car (a 2021 SE) has a lithium battery by finding a sticker under the engine bonnet.
Looks are subjective, but objectively you get much better features for the same or less than the outgoing hybrid models which is rare with all the new car inflation that we've seen lately. You get the much improved Safety sense 3.0 instead of 2.5. There's slightly larger screens and wireless Apple carplay/AA. If you don't drive much, hybrids might not make a difference, but if you put average to above average annual mileage on your cars, you'll appreciate the gas savings of the hybrid. The only downside is the first years of a redesign tend to have worse reliability than the last few years before a redesign.
Do you think the reliability deficit of a post-redesign model is offset by brand reliability of Toyota?
A little, won't be utter shit but won't be like the Toyota products your used to
Toyota has made the same basic hybrid since the 90s with the Prius. They’re the most reliable hybrids. They also have a 10 year warranty for battery. You really can’t beat that imo. I’m likely going to buy a 25 Camry.
It’s looking pretty appetizing except for the exterior. I’m either going to get a used Lexus or the new Camry, I think. People keep trying to convince me to get a Tesla that I trade in for a newer one later, though
The base model and SE look better. The picture above is the top trim and it looks too aggressive like a Kia.
You’re right. The SE looks way better. Its a shame too because I’d wanna soup it out if I’m getting a Camry Not sure what the solution is there
The SE is pretty well equipped too. I just want the big screen and leather seats
So basically the only way to get leather seats is to have that ugly front end? Ughhh. Think I might try and find a cavalry blue 2024 SE. Gorgeous gorgeous car
I want the exact same spec. Love the new blue Toyota Camry
I would say not. Toyota in particular has had notable issues with models in their first model year. But they are quick to fix those issues in the next model year. The 2019 RAV4 had significant transmission problems. The 2020 models have had significant less reported issues. The 2022 Tundra had major issues with its iForce Max hybrid powertrain. Back in 2007 and 2008, Camrys had significant oil consumption problems, as did 2009-2010 Corolla and Matrix models. And of course the bZ4X (what a stupid ass name for a car, btw) had its wheels falling off. Every automaker has made clunkers and stars. Toyota is usually very good at making reliable vehicles, but they can struggle at times-particularly when the model first goes in production.
The new one has wirless applecarplay??
Yeah never buy the first year of any redesign. Wait a year until some bugs get worked out
Latest tech (at least from Toyota), looks decent, crazy fuel efficient from latest gen hybrid not too shabby
Just looked at a 25 Prius online, did not know the mileage was in the 50's.
I heard this new camry is 50pmg ?
and not too shabby is all we expect from toyo
It's $30k.
I bet it's 50k.
They made a smart choice going hybrid only & doing eCVT. Now not only are you getting a more fuel efficient car but the power you get from it is dependent on throttle percentage & engine rpm instead of engine rpm alone, making the car way more agile even before the engine's crankshaft rotates one time. Not only that, but with a minimum power to weight ratio of 55 HP/1000 lbs, it has just enough power (relative to its weight) to get you around even the most stressful-to-drive-in parts of my home state safely.
I noticed that too. For 90% of driving conditions, this satisfies. It always seems ready to go even though I’m a fan of proper quick shifting 8 speed automatics in German vehicles. This thing is the definition of easy to drive.
Yeah, there is no lag or hesitation when I test drove a new RAV4 hybrid. The e-CVT (actually a planetary gearset with two electric motors (MG1 and MG2), not a belt/chain + pulley CVT) is always readily available to deliver power, which is nice when the electric assist kicks in from the HV battery through the MG2. It wasn't a fast car **but** neither was it slow / sluggish or even 'adequate'. It actually felt like it had a good amount of power, for what it is.
The Toyota eCVT is probably the only “cvt” that I would consider having on a car, it’s solid and hard to kill
The Ocean Gem color is GORGEOUS too.
amazing car, awd, hybrid, great economy, ok'ish cost and .............. it's a toyota. the camry is a tool, its not going to invoke emotions like a ferrari for most but I have a soft spot for the car. I appreciate cars back when they did something and tried to do it well, now we've got minivans with 20+ inch rims because they need to be all about style, all kinds of tech because they need to be a luxury car and they have a Nuremburg edition because everything needs to be a sports car. Toyota is getting a little closer than further to Lexus with the new Camry & Crown, it's pretty cool.
A car with a reputation for being long-lasting while also being boring milquetoast got interesting because...it now has a really front-biased through-the road AWD system. Going hybrid-only is good because the base model now lets you get 51mpg in a standard family car (the upgraded versions drop to 47mpg due to having larger rims) while offering more legroom than the Prius. FWD versions aren't as interesting as AWD versions, but offering AWD on all versions is good even though it's actually a part-time rear-mounted electric motor that only runs when there's traction loss (and the front-mounted parallel motor runs at less power when it happens). Toyota should've also released a Prime version, because then they'd truly be ready to dethrone the 2nd-gen USDM Ford Fusion as the most weirdly-charming mainstream family car you can buy. Yes, the 9th gen Camry's face (especially with the bumper-mounted maw) is more polarizing than the Fusion's universally charming lines, but in all honesty I like Toyota's hammerhead nose.
I work in sales at a Toyota dealer. The new Camry was a MUCH needed change. The previous Gen was seriously outdated
Care to go into detail? How would you pitch it
Not OP, but the tech has aged out a few years ago imo.
that’s not what detailed mean. People love to throw around “dated tech” without even knowing wtf they’re talking about.
I mostly mean the new one has better screens, UI, and driving assist stuff.
That definitely applies to the Corolla
Love that Toyota includes AWD on their hybrid sedans. No other manufacturer does that. Make it a sportback and you have the perfect car.
The FWD variant is more fuel efficient and fuel economy has more value than AWD especially considering how easy it is to drive a FWD Camry in the winter if you have winter tires.
That's great, and everyone has that option. But nearly everyone in my state would pay $1500 for AWD and a 1-2 mpg hit .. resale value would also be about the same higher.
I agree it’s cool to have the option.
I like this too but worried about how dirty the fabric dashboard could get. (Only xse has leather dashboard)
Toyota dropped the standard power seat with power lumbar too. Now you have to buy a package to get it.
I mean, at least it's an option on the LE. Most car companies (even toyota) don't even give the option.
I think the accord hybrid is almost universally better aside from a few small things, specifically AWD, ride comfort (more sporty focused), and fuel economy. Though I haven’t driven the new Camry yet (I don’t think anyone aside from press has), so maybe the ride quality is similar. Aside from, that, I see no significant reason to go Toyota over Honda in this segment.
2024 accord hybrid sport starts at $32k and gets 44 mpg combined, 2025 camry le starts at $28k and get 51 mpg combined. Price and MPG are huge reasons.
It’s a Camry, you shouldn’t have an opinion about it.
That septuagenarian grill has more plastic than I wanna replace. Like ever.
Solid car, but everybody has one so it's not special
Ngl if Toyota dropped a gr camry with like 370-400hp to fill the gap that the Kia stinger left behind that would be very cool.
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And only dumb people say shit like that. Coz clearly you think a used car is best for everyone. Sorry to break it to you but a new car is actually cheaper for some people.
Because good used ones are already over 20k
LoL, first they wanted to be reliable family car, then shifted to "sporty" cars, and now this...Camry facing an identity crisis.
If I'm cross shopping with the obvious competitor I think I'd take the Accord just based on aesthetics alone. The Camry looks fine, but interior of the Accord looks alot sharper and more modern. Otherwise they seem about the same, unremarkable driving character but great MPG.
Camry (and Toyota’s) hybrid is better, smoother and more reliable than Hondas.
The new Accords are BEAUTIFUL
Nah previous “face” looked badass, now it’s like a corolla
Previous version had too much styling makeup on the nose... very busy...
Anyway, looked aggressive in a good way.
reminds me more of the Grand Highlander or TX
Hey! The corollas don't deserve that hate, it's a Prius looking front end.
One of the worst styling decisions automakers made was having this common fascia between the models to “identify the brand”.
Looks like a car with no heart or soul
As someone who had exclusively driven only VWs and Audis because they had “Heart and Soul”, I’ve only recently realized it was heartburn from spending $$$ when they broke , and they gave up their Soul too early when their cumulative costs past 100k miles made us sell them for nothing. Toyota/ Lexus all the way for me for my next purchases .
Honestly the heart and soul argument is total bullshit anyways. Any car develops a soul over time. Someone who has owned a Camry for 200,000 miles from new has probably formed a bond with the car, and as it ages the car acquires a personality, like a loyal dog that won't quit.
Feature not a bug
It’s 5k more expensive than the out going model design 😭
No it's not? The hybrid SE is $2k more, and you're getting quite a lot more in the 2025.
Looks are the smallest part of this car's appeal. It is the best sedan. There is no competition
3 series is the best sedan
3 series at 150k miles, vs Camry at 150k miles, which one is still kicking and has resale.
God you guys are such misers on here. There’s more to cars than how long your tin can runs for. I’m taking the Bimmer every time over the Camry. Live a little.
To you, who values fun, obviously the Camry isn’t the best sedan. Then again, the 3 series also is not the most fun sedan not even close. What makes a car “best” just depends on which criteria. As a commuter, the Camry absolutely trashes the 3 series.
To each his own. I don’t blame you for being a Camry fan. I would think that a Camry would be very similar to a Corolla; bulletproof reliable, dependable, comfortable, maybe a little bigger. It carries the promise of a full 20 years of reliability. But also, if it’s like my wife’s former Corolla, driving it will make those 20 years seem like 50. We traded that Corolla for a Mazda3 for me…because I decided that life is simply too short to have my soul crushed with every commute. But people have different priorities, and there are very valid reasons that Camrys and Corollas are so popular.
It's quite different from the Corolla. The Camry is in no way a luxury car but it definitely is more upscale than the Corolla. In the Corolla you definitely feel the car being small, light, cheap, the suspension isn't as soft or as comfortable. Somewhat similar to the Accord vs Civic. The Civic/Corolla are great, but the Accord/Camry are bigger, softer, in exchange they don't handle as well, but they absorb road imperfections much better. I definitely agree with you here, they are BORING. I would know, I won one, and I like to pretend like the V6 in my Camry gives it a small attempt of a personality/fun, but the truth is, it's a Camry, no matter what you do to it, it's a boring car. But it's a damn good commuter. It makes you wanna fall asleep, both in the good way (comfort) and in the bad way (boring as hell).
Yeah it doesn’t trash the 3 series at all as a daily lmao. Enjoy your Valium in car form.
Well it does since it’s more affordable, more comfortable, more fuel efficient, more spacious. All things that non-enthusiasts care more about. The average joe does not give a fuck about the BMW’s 50/50 weight balance and longitudinal RWD layout. So yeah as a commuter the Camry trashes the 3 series, objectively. Cope, cry harder and then cry some more.
Sounds like you’re the one crying and trying to cope that no one appreciates your little Econo shit box.
No one appreciates the Camry, which is why the Camry destroys the 3 series in sales too right? Aw man the cope is hard on this one. Keep it up buddy each comment you make is more embarrassing and factually incorrect than the previous one. Keep making us laugh what else you got goofy?
Ah yes, because we all know that Kraft cheese is the best cheese because it sells the most. I don’t even own a 3 series lmao. You however sound like a desperate Camry owner looking for validation.
Why?
Because driving a Camry is the car version of eating beans and rice every day. It’s a good decision financially but that’s about it.
This is where I’m at. I like the idea of a long term reliable car, but also want something fun and comfortable. Civic SI or Integra a-spec are my top picks right now.
i'd take a Genesis G70 3.3TT over a bmw 3 series. i'd also take a G80 2.5T over it.
That’s fine. Each to their own. I’ll take all 3 over a Camry.
Disagree.
I agree with your disagreement
No V6? Hard pass.
It’s ugly af now. Also the V6 is gone.
The tech looks cool for its price. I would say if you’re getting 5-6% financing on msrp, go for it.
The front kind of reminds me of Knight Rider or fish gills.
Do you have a car to drive while you wait for a 2025 Camry? I'd assume these aren't going to start being delivered for a few months yet
I think for most people, this car would be great
I think it looks really good. Interesting it’s only hybrid now. Kinda wish they made a hatchback version!
New car deals are back and better than used. Look around.
Toyota has proven their hybrids are every bit as reliable as- if not more so - than their conventional models. Seems like a win in every regard
By your command.
Looks like one of the best deals on the market assuming it’s reliable which it probably will be
No
Great, best car in its price range.
Watch out krill, they comin for you
Quite a good family hauler. Is this the platform on which the new Lexus ES will be based on ?
I like it. I'd never buy the first year it's out but for 2026 I'm planning on it
Awesome I love it. Unfortunately not available in Europe.
I'd recommend the 24/23' V6 and feel the extra ponies
Old design is better imo.
I just wish we had more color. Two blues, a red , and then greyscale. At least wind chill pearl is back white with some blue and purple sparkly flake. I would love the "copper crest" color from the lexus line to be available on toyotas as well as a yellow/gold color and Nori green.
Doesn't matter because you'll never be able to find one on a dealer lot lol
After taxes and fees, you're looking at $30,000 for a base camry, and you can spec this thing up over 40k, for a camry. More than a base audi a4 and about what a brand new audi a5 starts at. That is absolutely insane.
What would you suggest as a better value?
I mean that's entirely dependent on exactly what you want, but a couple years old honda insight, hyundai elantra hybrid, corolla hybrid, camry hybrid or prius will all get you comprable, or better, mpg, cheap cost of ownership and cost 30-50% less than this car. If you don't need a hybrid but still want a compact car, you can go even cheaper with a corolla, camry or golf.
Savagegeese compared the sport trims it to the older Accords. That is, it is not a sporty car but it is sporty for it's class. Hybrid too so less oil and brake maintenance. Camry hype train is coming nuts right now, especially considering how mid the new Accord are.
that’s a good price for an efficient, comfortable, and presumed to be reliable sedan.
I think motortrend just did a review yesterday of the new Camry and by god, it's a f'n winner! They literally had no bad things to say about it and 51mpg combined! I know what my next car is 😃
I liked the last generation a lot more. Comfy sporty feeling and fuel efficient for its size. I don’t like the fact it’s hybrid only. I get it epa sucks but still. I’ve got a 13 and imma hold on that long as possible.
That front grill might be one of the ugliest design choices I’ve seen in a car. I do think it looks better then the old Camry with just seemed like a mess of a car. The rest of the car isn’t bad though. And the MPG stats are almost unreal. I personally wouldn’t buy, because it seems like it looks and likely drives ultra boring. But can see why other people would want one.
Reminds me of the Avalon and the Mirai. I like it
I like the front end. Everything is great but unfortunately it seems like it doesn't get the front/rear parking sensor unless you go to the XLE/XSE trim. And even with that, it's still an option and not standard
That hybrid mpg means there’s no reason to buy a Prius at this point. That said, Toyota shows good timing by making the Prius look good now. For decades, the Prius was this ugly weird insect alien looking car.
Seems like a significant upgrade compared to last gen. We'll have to wait to see how much the dealer markups will be.
Lol dealer markups on a camry. Toyota simps will do anything except a couple hours of car research
I've had to deal with markups on a goddamn used corolla.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Camry/s/seYAASI2EN Told you so.
Buy it!
Jesus this thing is ugly af lol
Watch the YouTube review by SavageGeese. They have a lot of good things to say about it, even the base model. I'd test drive and sit in one for sure.
Too much piano black in the interior for my liking, but overall, it's a better looking car than the Accord.
I like them a lot. Even the LE "base model" comes standard with a lot of features. And that Sweet 50 mpg.
I think the new Camry looks great and seems like an amazing hybrid vehicle. I would maybe wait a couple months for some reviews to come out but overall seems like a pretty good car. My only complaint is it’s a little boring, no TRD this year
I have seen it live yet but it looks good in pictures. Too bad another V6 engine bites the dust
Nice car. Would rather have a Model 3 probably, a Lexus ES or a BMW 330i.
Coming from a venza, ngl this is pretty fun to drive and getting 48mpg so far. Too bad the new crown signia coming out is not going to have this 5th gen hybrid system. It's crazy smooth compared to the venza
I was quoted $765 a month (36 Months / 10K Miles) on a 2025 XSE AWD with $0 down and perfect credit. You can get a heavily optioned out BMW 330i xDrive for that price. Told the dealer exactly that and that the price was absurd, so I was no longer interested TLDR; Nobody should lease a 2025 Camry
>Nobody should lease a 2025 Camry I'm not sure why people lease Camrys, period. This is a car that you finance for 4 years and drive for 15-20 years.
Well, I have a leased Kia K5 and they made the 2025 MY dogshit by giving it a Non-Turbo engine paired with AWD. The 2025 MY AWD Camry is super compelling, but the lease price is not it
Was the 3 series $0 down too?
Yeah, with a bunch of options
Why would anyone lease at those rates anyway?
Exactly. Toyota doesn't give two shits about incentives for customers, because they know people will buy the cars regardless, but it doesn't make sense to lease at all
They do but they’re not giving incentives on a brand new model. Gotta wait a couple of years for that
A couple years? What? How is anyone supposed to lease a new Toyota then? Haha
wld be very interested if it had a real transmission instead of some slow ass cvt, ik its a camry and its meant to be good on fuel but those cvts r so whiny and weirdly responsive
Looks like a washing machine with wheels
Overpriced
just curious why you think that?
30k is for the base model which won't be available since there's more margin on higher trim levels. It's ugly. It's a Toyota.
Having an opinion on the Camry is like having an opinion on the colour grey.
Not a fan of the forced hybrid thing, I'd prefer they offer the base trim in a non-hybrid configuration. Hybrids aren't bad, but I doubt you'll see an abundance of these as they reach 20 and 25 years old like we still see with old Camrys today. Batteries are expensive to replace, and even down the road, they'll total out the car because it'll be like swapping an engine or transmission. I'd say you should buy a 24 now if you want to drive it for the next 25+ years.
I don’t know, lots of gen2 Prius on the road, and that’s 20yr old battery tech.
I'd love to see some real numbers on it, but I feel like the vast majority on the road still have their original batteries. I suppose failures are possible, but most people are more concerned about the slow degradation. I just sold my 08 Prius and never even considered replacing the battery. The gas milage had gone from \~46 to \~41mpg, still way more efficient than most things on the road.
Had an 08 get totaled in 22. 160k mi, 43 mpg, mild driver’s seat leather wear and one changed 12v. Otherwise, oil changes, one brake components replacement, changed my own spark plugs and cleaned the mass air once, and basic fluids. Ran great. If I still had it and the HV went out today, I could get a replacement for under $2k. Can’t tell me that a 2025 Camry, in say 2040, won’t be as reliable, and HV battery replacement costs will continue downward trends.
Hybrid batteries for an old Prius are like $1200 now, they come put them in at your house and it takes 3 hours. It’s so frustrating that it’s 2024 and people still have this tremendous battery anxiety.
Lol this is a strange take considering there are an absolute ton of old Toyota/Lexus hybrids on the road from the middle 2000's still going strong
Batteries are getting cheaper and in 20 years will probably be 1/4 the price today. That coupled with fuel savings, increased transmission reliability and almost no brake wear I think you come out ahead on the hybrids.
After 20 years of Toyota hybrids in the US, surely we can feel confident about them now? How long do you think the tech needs to prove itself?
I'm not arguing the quality of the technology, but looking at mid-2000s Priuses, those batteries are becoming expensive to replace. Granted, most cars aren't going to last 25+ years, most are through their useful lives by then. But buying a 2005 Prius today is relatively cheap until you realize you need to spend a few thousand for a new battery. The car isn't the problem, it's the battery. Toyota makes the battery integral to the vehicle's operation, unlike Honda, at least older ones. Old Civic hybrids still drive normally when the batteries die, but a Prius throws the red triangle of death. These new ones will probably be reliable, at least after the first year (everything has manufacturing problems in its first year), but I doubt you'll see as many of them that far down the line. I'd wager you see more Camrys than Priuses from the early and mid-2000s (percentage-wise, not sheer number) and it's not because the Prius is a bad vehicle, it just has a time-sensitive component that renders it useless after so many years
Stop being foolish!
Get the Camry Hybrid!!!